#silverstripe IRC Log

IRC log for 1 August 2016

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26: [04:57:15] <vitaly_> does anyone using nginx? I'm having real troubles with it, just installed it to try and I found out that it can't handle simultaneous connections at all. Am I the only one with this problem?
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29: [05:04:46] <Nightjar> vitaly_, probably, yes.
30: [05:05:24] <Nightjar> vitaly_, ask Danae, she's pretty nginx winner.
31: [05:05:38] <Nightjar> ... but not in channel :<
32: [05:05:50] <vitaly_> Nightjar: thanks, will do that :)
33: [05:06:07] <Nightjar> vitaly_, you've set up the fastcgi thing right?
34: [05:06:21] <Nightjar> as a web server it should be multithinging out of the box
35: [05:06:33] <vitaly_> Nightjar: yeah, maybe the problem is in push-stream module.
36: [05:06:42] <Nightjar> push-stream?
37: [05:07:01] <Nightjar> never heard of it, so perhaps yes (but I'm no nginx winner)
38: [05:07:18] <vitaly_> https://github.com/wandenberg/nginx-push-stream-module cool stuff if only it worked
39: [05:08:22] <Nightjar> yeah, nfi about that business. It's not for me as yet i'm afraid.
40: [05:08:58] <vitaly_> Nightjar: thanks anyway :) maybe Danae will be able to help me with Nginx
41: [05:18:30] <Nightjar> vitaly_, probably tomorrow if she's on.
42: [05:18:55] <Nightjar> bit of a 16 hour wait though.
43: [05:19:34] <vitaly_> Nightjar: Yeah, sure :) don't want to work at home too haha :)
44: [05:54:15] <Nightjar> vitaly_, true. But I don't know if you're in NZ or not when I say that :P Either way it's a 16 hour wait, rather than saying 'tomorrow' or the like ;)
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54: [07:16:42] <Mike123> Morning
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72: [08:45:11] <ss-helper> Silverstripe subsite redirect loops - http://stackoverflow.com/questions/38694325/silverstripe-subsite-redirect-loops
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83: [12:00:15] <ss-helper> Silverstripe Dropdown/dependent dropdown - Please select a value within the list provided. x is not a valid option - http://stackoverflow.com/questions/38698291/silverstripe-dropdown-dependent-dropdown-please-select-a-value-within-the-list
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94: [13:32:20] <MMKJay> Is there anyway we can move the Search / Import stuff back to the left hand side bar. With the new version of SS we've upgraded to its now at the top. And for some of our clients thats causing issues.
95: [13:33:45] <muskie9> MMKJay that's a good question... I always forget it's at the top now and think I foo barr'd code of mine lol
96: [13:34:50] <MMKJay> It's a little annoying for big data lists. Its an extra click now to show the filter options. And if you're at the bottom of the list. You have to scroll back up. :(
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98: [13:51:09] <janneklouman--> I have a site where I show the filter options by default, it's a pretty easy css fix. Doesn't help you with the scroll problem though
99: [13:51:40] <janneklouman--> .YourAdmin .cms-content-filters { display: block; }
100: [13:53:52] <janneklouman--> I'm also overriding the ModelAdmin_Tools.ss template, so actually perhaps you could do the same and style it to put it to the side of the list
101: [13:54:28] <janneklouman--> (@ MMKJay)
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105: [14:07:15] <swaiba> MMKJay https://github.com/burnbright/silverstripe-importexport
106: [14:07:23] <swaiba> is that useful? we like it
107: [14:08:03] <swaiba> in terms of export there is this... https://github.com/axyr/silverstripe-phpexcel
108: [14:08:18] <swaiba> and I've not tried this... https://github.com/lekoala/silverstripe-excel-import-export
109: [14:08:29] <MMKJay> swaiba: We'll take a look. Usually we use the built in filters and import / export stuff which works great. But Silverstripe have moved it from the left hand cms menu to the top of the model admin.
110: [14:08:43] <MMKJay> We're happy with functionality. Just the location really. Older versions was much easier on the left hand side
111: [14:09:04] <swaiba> yeah I like where the new filters are, but never been happy withthe export / import... or at least my "users" never have been
112: [14:09:23] <swaiba> one comment I get is "why doesn't what I export import again after edditing"
113: [14:09:27] <swaiba> user!
114: [14:09:29] <swaiba> users!
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116: [14:26:23] <swaiba> swaiba thinking about this it might be well for you to express this on the core dev group
117: [14:26:41] <swaiba> there is a wireframe / invisionapp about the design for SS4
118: [14:27:01] <swaiba> it's probably gone from teh side to the top as to be most efficent in use of a small screen size
119: [14:27:19] <swaiba> if it's another thing my users talk about is usablility on a phone or tablet
120: [14:28:37] <MMKJay> swaiba: Yeah I get the better position for mobile etc. But its mainly an issues when scrolling long lists / extra click to show it. :(
121: [14:28:59] <swaiba> of course, just typing my thoughts out :)
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147: [20:15:24] <ss-helper> Web Page administrator [on hold] - http://stackoverflow.com/questions/38707155/web-page-administrator
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150: [20:41:05] <vitaly_> Nightjar: true :) Though I think most of the people here are from NZ
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155: [21:15:25] <ss-helper> SilverStripe dependent dropdown - x is not a valid option - http://stackoverflow.com/questions/38698291/silverstripe-dependent-dropdown-x-is-not-a-valid-option
156: [21:24:36] <Nightjar> vitaly_, so... are you Kiwi?
157: [21:25:10] <vitaly_> Nightjar: no, but I'm in New Zealand :)
158: [21:25:18] <Nightjar> vitaly_, yeah, same thing :P
159: [21:25:31] <vitaly_> Nightjar: oh, ok lol
160: [21:25:42] <Nightjar> I just inconveniently omitted the <based> from the end of the sentence :P
161: [21:26:03] <vitaly_> xD
162: [21:26:08] <Nightjar> kiwi based: ☑
163: [21:26:19] <vitaly_> kiwiland
164: [21:26:22] <vitaly_> Like it
165: [21:26:27] <Nightjar> D: hexchat y 4 u no unicode
166: [21:27:10] <Nightjar> oh, probably it's the font :<
167: [21:27:22] <vitaly_> hm, i see tickbox
168: [21:27:31] <Nightjar> yeh, copy 'n paste :P
169: [21:27:36] <Nightjar> I see box with digits init.
170: [21:27:38] <Nightjar> in it*
171: [21:27:49] <adrexia> I see a little box with a tick
172: [21:27:55] <vitaly_> yeah, font problem
173: [21:28:01] <Nightjar> Yeh, gotta be an unsupported char in the font.
174: [21:28:04] <Nightjar> whatever this is
175: [21:28:11] <adrexia> you using comic sans?
176: [21:28:24] <Nightjar> Pfft, obviously! GOSH
177: [21:28:33] <Nightjar> of course, who wouldn't use the best font ever created!?
178: [21:28:35] <Nightjar> :P
179: [21:28:49] <adrexia> good point
180: [21:28:55] <vitaly_> XD
181: [21:28:55] <Nightjar> Consolas apparently
182: [21:30:05] <Nightjar> yeh. "U+2670 to U+272F no support" http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/font/consolas/grid.htm
183: [21:30:13] <Nightjar> Unicode Character 'CHECK MARK' (U+2713)
184: [21:30:30] <Nightjar> bl4me
185: [21:30:40] <vitaly_> Lucida Grande works for me :)
186: [21:30:50] <Nightjar> What the world really needs now is an open source comic sans, with monospace.
187: [21:31:06] <Nightjar> It'd make you lot seem far more human.
188: [21:31:11] <Nightjar> and therefore relatable.
189: [21:31:20] <Nightjar> fun, jazzy. Make my text 'pop'
190: [21:31:22] <Nightjar> xD
191: [21:31:32] <Nightjar> Also, hot pink. Hot pink alllll the things.
192: [21:31:46] <Nightjar> and then purple underlines, just to troll adrexia
193: [21:31:48] <Nightjar> :>
194: [21:32:07] <Nightjar> oh wait, no I meant yellow, right?
195: [21:34:56] <vitaly_> there must be pink theme for sublime
196: [21:35:59] <Nightjar> probably. But default good enough.
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198: [21:38:01] <Nightjar> oh hey adrexia, done much with the node before?
199: [21:40:14] <Nightjar> Never mind, question void.
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201: [21:45:48] <adrexia> purple is actually my favourite
202: [21:45:56] <adrexia> comis sans less so
203: [21:46:00] <adrexia> but it's your eyes
204: [21:46:02] <adrexia> :P
205: [21:46:19] <adrexia> Nightjar a little.
206: [21:46:34] <adrexia> but nothing of substance
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209: [21:58:38] <Nightjar> adrexia, yeah, purple may be your fave, but purple and hot pink together? ... anyway, node is something that has been thrust upon me. But I'm battling through. Just realised it was a library issue, rather than a node thing that was my most recent stumbling, which meant more likely that answers can't be provided.
210: [21:58:58] <Nightjar> never to worry, I've found somewhat related docs to get back to the root slowly.
211: [21:58:59] <adrexia> purple and hot pink is the 80s all over agin
212: [21:59:02] <adrexia> I'm cool with taht
213: [21:59:04] <Nightjar> hehehee, yeah.
214: [21:59:07] <ss23> Pinstripes, anyone?
215: [21:59:24] <Nightjar> adrexia, I was incorrectly recalling the conversation that I later realised was bright yellow and hot pink though.
216: [21:59:33] <adrexia> dark purple, with hot pink pinstripes sounds amazing
217: [21:59:44] <Nightjar> like... navy purple? :P
218: [21:59:48] <adrexia> oh yeah, yellow is ugly as sin
219: [21:59:59] <adrexia> navy...purple?
220: [22:00:12] <Nightjar> keke, yeh. Jokes.
221: [22:00:30] <Nightjar> navy blue and blue, but with purple.
222: [22:00:37] <Nightjar> how deep a purple?
223: [22:00:41] <Nightjar> :>
224: [22:00:56] <Nightjar> like, going full smoke on the water?
225: [22:01:08] <adrexia> sure ;)
226: [22:01:16] <adrexia> anyway, I quite like hot pink
227: [22:01:24] <adrexia> its one of the best web colours
228: [22:01:27] <Nightjar> yeah, I remember you saying.
229: [22:01:38] <adrexia> and yellow is the literal worst
230: [22:01:44] <adrexia> ...and hard to make accessible
231: [22:01:47] <Nightjar> hahha, yep. Esp. for web.
232: [22:02:10] <adrexia> yeah - monitors and yellow.
233: [22:02:19] <adrexia> why would you even do that?
234: [22:02:23] <Nightjar> woop woop, it's the colour police!
235: [22:04:05] <Nightjar> ooh, $2 coffee at gentleman's beans
236: [22:04:15] <ss23> not $2 hot choolate though
237: [22:04:16] <ss23> :(
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239: [22:05:50] <ss23> speaking of I burned my tongue a little on mine
240: [22:05:51] <ss23> :(
241: [22:07:50] <Nightjar> ss23, yeh, hot choccy would be amaze
242: [22:07:58] <Nightjar> also wtf you're up early
243: [22:08:17] <Nightjar> can leopards change their stripes? STAY TUNED TO FIND OUT
244: [22:08:33] <Nightjar> DanaeNZ, vitaly_ <--
245: [22:08:48] <Nightjar> DanaeNZ, vitaly_ <-- dem Q's.
246: [22:09:05] <Nightjar> :>
247: [22:09:15] <vitaly_> :) Just a sec wanna try something before bothering Danae with my stupid questions
248: [22:09:25] <ss23> Nightjar: I went noctunrla last week
249: [22:09:29] <ss23> Still in early mode
250: [22:10:03] <Nightjar> ss23, ah, you're like a mate of mine in CHC.
251: [22:10:12] <Nightjar> cycles over rather than reverting back.
252: [22:11:06] <adrexia> I used to do that too
253: [22:11:08] <DanaeNZ> hi
254: [22:11:36] <vitaly_> o/
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256: [22:16:35] <LokiNZ> How long should the /dev/build typically take on a small (~15 page) site?
257: [22:16:38] <Nightjar> gidday DanaeNZ :>
258: [22:16:45] <Nightjar> LokiNZ, ~15s
259: [22:17:02] <Nightjar> LokiNZ, number of pages doesn't matter.
260: [22:17:03] <LokiNZ> oh wow mine is taking ~190s
261: [22:17:08] <Nightjar> dev/build doesn't build them.
262: [22:17:23] <Nightjar> LokiNZ, development VM?
263: [22:17:54] <Nightjar> LokiNZ, depends more on what/how many modules you have installed.
264: [22:17:59] <Nightjar> page TYPES you've created, etc.
265: [22:18:10] <Nightjar> more classes -> more build.
266: [22:18:44] <Nightjar> underpowered machine, underpowered machine with a virtual machine, etc...
267: [22:18:44] <LokiNZ> well I added one empty page class
268: [22:19:08] <LokiNZ> not a vm on a $20K server
269: [22:19:10] <Nightjar> if an empty project takes just as long
270: [22:19:13] <Nightjar> oh
271: [22:19:14] <Nightjar> well
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273: [22:19:18] <Nightjar> what else is it doing?
274: [22:19:23] <Nightjar> top
275: [22:19:25] <Nightjar> top all the things
276: [22:19:55] <Nightjar> do other projects take as long to build?
277: [22:19:56] <LokiNZ> 32gb ram, ssd, 3.2 xeons etc
278: [22:20:01] <Nightjar> or is there just the one?
279: [22:20:08] <LokiNZ> I only have one
280: [22:20:12] <Nightjar> LokiNZ, yeah, but that doesn't mean much.
281: [22:20:21] <LokiNZ> this is my first go at silver stripe :)
282: [22:20:24] <Nightjar> if 31.7GB of the ram are being used by something else... etc.
283: [22:20:51] <ss23> LokiNZ: There are a few things that might make it go slow. Starting with an old database could be one. Postgres is often slower than MySQL too.
284: [22:21:00] <Nightjar> sounds environmental yeh
285: [22:21:03] <ss23> LokiNZ: If you have error reporting or xdebug turned to a weird setting that might cause it too
286: [22:21:08] <LokiNZ> http://pastebin.com/7NZ5t6vz
287: [22:21:19] <ss23> Being in production instead of dev mode will liekly make it faster too
288: [22:21:21] <Nightjar> mysql is old
289: [22:21:25] <Nightjar> for a start
290: [22:21:59] <Nightjar> not that it should make too much difference, just pointing that out.
291: [22:22:46] <LokiNZ> dev vs production makes no noticeable difference
292: [22:24:04] <Nightjar> ss23, locksport tomorrow right?
293: [22:24:19] <ss23> indeed
294: [22:25:37] <LokiNZ> is there anywhere I can look that might give me an idea of what is going wrong?
295: [22:27:29] <Nightjar> LokiNZ, how fast does a page load?
296: [22:27:38] <Nightjar> ie, is it just the build that's slow?
297: [22:28:53] <LokiNZ> <2s page load
298: [22:29:08] <LokiNZ> only noticed build being slow
299: [22:30:48] <ss23> LokiNZ: Did you start with a fresh/blank DB?
300: [22:31:03] <ss23> The other thing is that it often doesn't matter if dev/build is slow, since you only do it on DB changes, which is almost never
301: [22:31:34] <LokiNZ> Do i not need it to add page classes?
302: [22:32:21] <Nightjar> to add page classes, yeah. But ss23's point is that you never do that in production.
303: [22:32:33] <ss23> Well, adding a page class involves a database change, so yeah
304: [22:32:37] <LokiNZ> Oh right got ya
305: [22:32:42] <ss23> But when I'm working on sites, it's not like I do that often
306: [22:33:00] <Nightjar> you make a few when you start, maybe add a couple later on, but it's not all that common.
307: [22:33:22] <Nightjar> LokiNZ, out of interest... how fast is it if you do test.domain/?flush
308: [22:33:24] <LokiNZ> Database is not new
309: [22:33:41] <ss23> LokiNZ: I'd recommend comparing with a new database if you can. I'd guess that's why it's "slow"
310: [22:33:53] <Nightjar> Yeh, set up a new project, see how long it takes.
311: [22:33:55] <LokiNZ> 5s for flush
312: [22:34:05] <ss23> Internally the reason is that on a dev/build it often does silly stuff, like as you saw there, tries to modify the table, which involves a table scan of the entire _versions table, which gets larger over time
313: [22:34:19] <Nightjar> LokiNZ, well, so that _seems_ to indicate that it is actually the database building then.
314: [22:34:32] <Nightjar> dev/build does all the flushy stuff too, updates caches, etc.
315: [22:34:41] <ss23> There's a few options -- you could fix the code so it doesn't try ALTER TABLE unnessecarily, or you could remove some of the old versioned stuff, but I dunno a good way to do that
316: [22:34:51] <ss23> Nightjar: Naw, /dev/build doesn't clear templtae cache, which flush does
317: [22:34:53] <Nightjar> ss23, really? o.0
318: [22:34:55] <ss23> Unless it's changed since I worked on it
319: [22:35:12] <Nightjar> ss23, no, but it DOES the manifest cache. Which is argueably far more taxing
320: [22:35:25] <ss23> Nightjar: Ever noticed the extra "Changed table enum(whatever)" stuff, that happens on every load? That's the bug I'm talking about
321: [22:35:53] <Nightjar> ss23, yeh. Didn't know it did a full table scan though (as opposed to just schema read)
322: [22:36:55] <ss23> afaik the alter table requires it
323: [22:39:14] * Nightjar shrugs
324: [22:40:29] <ss23> I thought about writing a "clean up my DB and make it like new" task once. Like, deleting all pages/things that aren't required (_obselete, old columns), all history older than 6 months, then re-autoincrementing each page to start from 1 etc, then boom, you have a "Fast" site again even if it's 5 year old DB, which some are, or older
325: [22:40:30] <ss23> but I'm lazy
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327: [22:46:41] <LokiNZ> so, there was a new db created for ss, the sql server runs other databases also. db size is 5MiB 40 tables
328: [22:49:31] <Nightjar> LokiNZ, yeah, but for a brand new fresh install
329: [22:49:41] <Nightjar> how long would that take to dev/build is the question.
330: [22:49:49] <Nightjar> also LokiNZ - is this on successive dev/builds?
331: [22:49:57] <Nightjar> or just when you first do it?
332: [22:50:56] * Manuel_ quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)
333: [22:51:19] <LokiNZ> totally new mysql install etc?
334: [22:51:28] <LokiNZ> about the same every time
335: [22:53:22] <Nightjar> no, same mysql instance
336: [22:53:41] <Nightjar> just a new install of SS on a new database IN the (same) mysql install
337: [22:54:10] <Nightjar> like, is this related to your project specifically, or is it for all SS dev/builds
338: [22:54:11] <Nightjar> ?
339: [22:54:12] <ss23> LokiNZ: Meaning, no old data in the tables
340: [22:54:19] <LokiNZ> ok, I will give that a go
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343: [23:51:57] <Nightjar> LokiNZ, did you give it a go?
344: [23:54:06] <LokiNZ> Yeah sorry had rewrite issues to resolve.
345: [23:54:39] <LokiNZ> Still taking a long time, first run on fresh install, no changes, took 129s
346: [23:54:58] * Nightjar did a git blame, apparently this was you were actually a principal author on this nodejs thing adrexia, haha xD
347: [23:55:06] <LokiNZ> second run 132s
348: [23:55:19] <Nightjar> LokiNZ, yeah, seems environmental in that case then.
349: [23:55:21] <adrexia> ahh...
350: [23:55:35] <adrexia> was that the project we inherited ?
351: [23:55:39] <Nightjar> mmhmm
352: [23:55:43] <adrexia> oh yeah
353: [23:55:50] <adrexia> that's not actually a node project
354: [23:55:55] <Nightjar> I've just inherited it from upstairs.
355: [23:56:02] <Nightjar> it's not?
356: [23:56:04] <Nightjar> o.0
357: [23:56:12] <adrexia> I think its real backend is like C# or soemthing
358: [23:56:21] <adrexia> the node part is just a mocking layer
359: [23:56:33] <Nightjar> oh right, yeah. It's all API calls... but the serveing front end business is all node.
360: [23:56:43] <Nightjar> requests come from and are replied to by node.
361: [23:56:43] <adrexia> ...its backboen
362: [23:56:44] <adrexia> :P
363: [23:56:50] <Nightjar> yup.
364: [23:56:53] <Nightjar> run by node :P
365: [23:57:11] <adrexia> only in test environments
366: [23:57:15] <Nightjar> with about 11 other obfuscations in between x<
367: [23:57:23] <adrexia> there's no actual node server on live
368: [23:57:29] <Nightjar> oh? heh, idk.
369: [23:57:35] <adrexia> haha
370: [23:57:40] <Nightjar> dunno, we ship it, they run it.
371: [23:57:46] * Nightjar shrugs
372: [23:57:51] <adrexia> it took 3 devs three weeks to get that project to build when we inherited it.
373: [23:58:02] <Nightjar> found the issue though. Call to a function that apparently according to grep, doesn't exist.
374: [23:58:05] <adrexia> the version of node was basically the original ;)
375: [23:58:19] <Nightjar> yeh, like 0.6 or something
376: [23:58:22] <adrexia> yep
377: [23:58:26] <adrexia> not even stable
378: [23:58:42] <adrexia> oh, you have all the node_modules?
379: [23:58:48] <ss23> in their defence, you can't really call people who work with javascript "devs"
380: [23:58:57] <ss23> :3
381: [23:58:59] * ss23 runs away
382: [23:59:11] <adrexia> its super important to commit the nodemodules folder in that project, coz half the dependencies don't exist anymore O_o
383: [23:59:11] <Nightjar> hahahahaha ss23 such troll
384: [23:59:19] <adrexia> or at least that was true for us
385: [23:59:21] <Nightjar> adrexia, yeh, they're all there for that reason.
386: [23:59:29] <adrexia> good

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