#silverstripe IRC Log

IRC log for 20 October 2015

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3: [00:07:52] <vanny> I wrote around it :P
4: [00:09:17] <Colin[pi]> vanny: mm I think from memory you cant get access to the Options themselves from DropdownField
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6: [00:09:41] <Colin[pi]> it creates an array in the Field() method and passes them as a property to the parent Field() method
7: [00:10:10] <vanny> it looks like that. But I made it work, not the best way, but it pulls what I want
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33: [02:22:57] <DanaeNZ> it's that time of day when things like simple for loops stop working
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35: [02:33:14] <spronk> for($i = 0; $i < 100; $i++) {}
36: [02:33:45] <spronk> just put that in your code and it'll fix it, DanaeNZ
37: [02:34:54] <DanaeNZ> it's like magaic
38: [02:34:56] <DanaeNZ> magic
39: [02:34:56] <DanaeNZ> even
40: [02:36:22] <adrexia_> for($i = 0; $i < 3pm; $i++) {}
41: [02:38:07] <DanaeNZ> return coffee;
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43: [02:43:50] <DanaeNZ> i think i missed the latest star wars trailer
44: [02:45:12] <Hailwood> Hey folks, has anyone seen mcmania today?
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47: [02:47:28] * DanaeNZ looks shifty
48: [02:47:33] <DanaeNZ> I might've, who's askin'
49: [02:48:33] <ss23> I acn actually see him right now
50: [02:48:35] <ss23> He's working hard
51: [02:48:45] <ss23> I just took some picteus of him till someone in the office was like "STOP"
52: [02:49:12] <DanaeNZ> hahahahah
53: [02:49:18] <DanaeNZ> what like from across the office
54: [02:49:21] <DanaeNZ> "STOP THAT"
55: [02:49:24] <DanaeNZ> "IT'S SILLY"
56: [02:51:16] <LimRes> Hey SS Peeps :)
57: [02:52:32] <LimRes> I just noticed that native SS functions like timestamps on "Created" and "Modified" are correct for new timezone settings on server, but when I use = date("Y-m-d h:i:s",time()); or = SS_DateTime::now(); it's out by 12 hours. Even templates using $Now are correct...
58: [02:52:45] <LimRes> Any clues?
59: [02:54:07] <LimRes> Config says i18n::set_locale('en_NZ'); ini_set('date.timezone', 'Pacific/Auckland');
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61: [02:54:48] <ss23> DanaeNZ: Well I was walking around the entire office doing it
62: [02:54:55] <ss23> eventually I took photos of someone who didn't want to get taken
63: [02:55:05] <DanaeNZ> SNORT
64: [02:55:09] <DanaeNZ> oop caps
65: [02:55:19] <DanaeNZ> omg just watched the new Star Wars trailer
66: [02:55:23] <DanaeNZ> GET FUCKEN HYPED
67: [02:58:00] <LimRes> DanaeNZ: the new poster is beautiful too
68: [02:58:07] <DanaeNZ> I WANT ONE
69: [02:58:16] <LimRes> LimRes nods
70: [03:03:18] <LimRes> duh, lower case "h"
71: [03:03:26] <LimRes> nvm, thanks Rubber Duckies!
72: [03:03:45] <LimRes> explains why it was working yesterday morning...
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78: [03:28:02] <LimRes> May the farce be with you all, ciao
79: [03:29:28] <spronk> hm
80: [03:29:31] <spronk> new star wars trailer is a bit
81: [03:29:40] <spronk> modern AAA blockbustery
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85: [03:50:13] <novaweb> cd ../
86: [03:50:40] <spronk> novaweb@server:/var/log$
87: [03:50:48] <novaweb> pornhub.com
88: [03:50:50] <novaweb> opps
89: [03:50:56] <spronk> Command not found
90: [03:51:25] <novaweb> :D
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95: [04:01:49] <Sticks> Hi all, could a bad/missing .htaccess file somewhere cause SS to put main.php in front of image links? Because I'm getting a lot of main.php/assets/Uploads/image.jpg links and not sure what else might have changed...
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99: [04:17:15] <nontgor> novaweb: Working from home or have a particularly well hidden desk at work?
100: [04:17:47] <DanaeNZ> I'm calling my internet
101: [04:17:52] <DanaeNZ> gonn kick their ass
102: [04:19:21] <ss23> novaweb was just at our office
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104: [04:20:53] <DanaeNZ> omg being on hold sucks
105: [04:21:23] <DanaeNZ> talking to people sucks too
106: [04:21:40] <DanaeNZ> it's all just a form of torture
107: [04:23:57] <ss23> lol
108: [04:23:59] <ss23> LIFE IS SUFFERING
109: [04:24:56] <DanaeNZ> ok the guy is looking at the chorus order now
110: [04:25:12] <DanaeNZ> pls give me internet tomorrow you fuckin assholes
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112: [04:32:06] <Tanger> Hey guys, does anybody know if GridFieldAddexistingAutocompelter can be added to a gridfield that employs the Lumberjack module?
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129: [06:48:55] <Mike123> Morning
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132: [06:59:33] <wmk> ☺/ Eliseth
133: [06:59:39] <wmk> we missed you
134: [07:14:16] <Tanger> Can you define NOT NULL on a database field?
135: [07:14:46] <wmk> Mike123, http://www.slideshare.net/MarkGuinn1/the-state-of-ecommerce-on-silverstripe-stripecon-eu-2015
136: [07:15:02] <wmk> Tanger, afaik yes. somehow
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138: [07:15:24] <wmk> have you looked at DBField class?
139: [07:17:18] <Tanger> wmk: Everything in the $db array is created using whichever subclass of DBField you specify when you /dev/build right?
140: [07:17:33] <wmk> Tanger, yup
141: [07:18:12] <Tanger> wmk: :D Thanks! I reckon I'll find what I need in there
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143: [07:19:18] <wmk> Tanger, seems like requireField() should do the trick
144: [07:19:19] <alialamshahi> Hello everyone
145: [07:19:26] <wmk> hi alialamshahi
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147: [07:19:32] <alialamshahi> Hi wmk
148: [07:19:39] <alialamshahi> I have a question
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150: [07:20:09] <alialamshahi> how can I display $fields from another page in my homepage?
151: [07:20:44] <wmk> alialamshahi, in template?
152: [07:20:48] <alialamshahi> yes
153: [07:20:49] <wmk> you need a getter for the other page
154: [07:20:58] <wmk> either in php or in template directly
155: [07:21:07] <wmk> is it always the same page or e.g. the newest blog entry?
156: [07:21:15] <alialamshahi> I did this but it doesnt work: function ClientLogos() { return DataObject::get('ClientPage'); }
157: [07:21:27] <alialamshahi> always same page
158: [07:21:42] <wmk> alialamshahi, are you on silverstripe 2.4 or on 3.1?
159: [07:21:48] <alialamshahi> 3.2
160: [07:21:52] <wmk> wow,
161: [07:21:57] <wmk> early adaptor ;)
162: [07:22:03] <alialamshahi> thanks :)
163: [07:22:13] <wmk> well, in good old 2.4 times you had DataObject:.get('ClassName')
164: [07:22:28] <wmk> in 3.x you better use ClassName::get() to retrieve the same
165: [07:22:31] <wmk> in your case:
166: [07:22:38] <wmk> ClientPage::get(
167: [07:22:45] <wmk> ClientPage::get()
168: [07:22:49] <wmk> which returns a DataList
169: [07:23:04] <wmk> (read the last sentence)
170: [07:23:20] <alialamshahi> Like this: function ClientLogos() { return ClientPage::get(); }
171: [07:23:31] <wmk> BUT this still is a data LIST
172: [07:23:47] <wmk> now you can filter this list e.g. by ID or sort it
173: [07:23:49] <alialamshahi> I want to display the image paths
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175: [07:24:11] <wmk> or if you only one page of this type you can just apply ->first() to it to get actually one ClientPage object
176: [07:24:12] <alialamshahi> let me try it
177: [07:24:38] <wmk> so ClientPage::get()->first() should get you the first ClientPage
178: [07:24:55] <wmk> or ClientPage->byID(123)->first()
179: [07:25:04] <wmk> ehem
180: [07:25:06] <alialamshahi> Like this: function ClientLogos() { return ClientPage::get()->first(); }
181: [07:25:08] <wmk> or ClientPage::get()->byID(123)->first()
182: [07:25:17] <alialamshahi> I'm just a designer
183: [07:25:22] <alialamshahi> I dont know PHO
184: [07:25:23] <wmk> alialamshahi, yup. then you don't get a DataList but the actual page
185: [07:25:25] <alialamshahi> PHP*
186: [07:25:32] <wmk> you could also try to get it in template
187: [07:25:33] <alialamshahi> I see
188: [07:25:45] <alialamshahi> that would be great
189: [07:25:45] <wmk> there is a List helper for templates, never used it but saw it last weekend in a talk
190: [07:25:59] <alialamshahi> where can I find it?
191: [07:27:00] <alialamshahi> wmk are you a member of SilverStripe team?
192: [07:27:06] <wmk> nope
193: [07:27:13] <alialamshahi> ok
194: [07:27:18] <alialamshahi> thanks a million
195: [07:27:39] <alialamshahi> let me try the code, and I'll come back with the results
196: [07:30:32] <alialamshahi> it doesnt work!
197: [07:30:38] <alialamshahi> got this error: Fatal error: Class 'ClientPage' not found in D:\xampp\htdocs\proshot\mysite\code\HomePage.php on line 8
198: [07:31:00] <alialamshahi> here is my code: class HomePage extends Page { function LatestProjects() { return DataObject::get('CaseStudy', 'ShowInSearch=1', 5); } function ClientLogos() { return ClientPage::get(); } }
199: [07:31:23] <wmk> alialamshahi, well, what page do you try to get?
200: [07:31:35] <wmk> what ClassName (php) does this page have?
201: [07:31:47] <alialamshahi> I'm trying to get fields from ClientPage
202: [07:32:36] <alialamshahi> my bad!
203: [07:32:46] <alialamshahi> forgot an "s"!
204: [07:32:49] <wmk> ok
205: [07:32:54] <wmk> in Template it should work like
206: [07:33:10] <wmk> <% loop $List('ClientsPage').Limit(1) %>
207: [07:33:13] <wmk> $Foo
208: [07:33:18] <wmk> <% end_loop %>
209: [07:33:49] <alialamshahi> I used <% control ClientLogos %>
210: [07:33:55] <alialamshahi> and it works just great
211: [07:34:24] <alialamshahi> thanks a million wmk
212: [07:35:02] <wmk> see http://www.slideshare.net/ColinRichardson7/silverstripe-modules-for-a-better-life slide 17
213: [07:35:12] <wmk> alialamshahi, you're welcome
214: [07:35:48] <alialamshahi> Thanks for the link
215: [07:35:55] <wmk> alialamshahi, of course
216: [07:36:12] <alialamshahi> now another question, is there a way to give <body> a class name specific to a page class?
217: [07:36:21] <wmk> you can search yourself many other talks from last weekend on twitter https://twitter.com/search?src=typd&q=%23stripeconeu
218: [07:36:47] <wmk> <body class="$ClassName">
219: [07:37:10] <wmk> or you generate the classname in code and make a getter for it
220: [07:37:26] <wmk> function getClassNameForBody() { return 'blafasel'; }
221: [07:37:40] <wmk> and in template <body class="$ClassNameForBody">
222: [07:37:49] <wmk> like phpfunction without leading "get"
223: [07:38:21] <wmk> alialamshahi, http://www.silverstripe.org/learn/lessons are a good ressource to start
224: [07:38:56] <alialamshahi> thanks again :)
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226: [07:42:12] <wmk> Stomach, you made my morning email laugh today
227: [07:42:32] <wmk> "more modules wont make a site slower, slow code will ;)"
228: [07:42:37] <Stomach> haha yeah
229: [07:42:55] <wmk> BAM, well formulated on the point
230: [07:43:52] <Stomach> I just wonder how much code nicolaas is writing from scratch in each project :P
231: [07:44:06] <wmk> ouch
232: [07:44:14] <wmk> well, a module is just a bunch of php classes
233: [07:44:24] <wmk> so it doesn't matter if it's in mysite folder or in a module's folder
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236: [07:48:20] <wmk> yo swaiba
237: [07:48:35] <swaiba> good morning wmk, hows it going?
238: [07:48:37] <wmk> where is $List (in template) generated in php?
239: [07:48:50] <wmk> swaiba, quite well, still a bit tired but it's better today
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241: [07:48:57] <wmk> swaiba, you?
242: [07:49:32] <swaiba> yeah not bad, got a new office to move to now which is a weight off my mind
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244: [07:51:29] <alialamshahi> wmk I have a problem with getClassNameForBody()
245: [07:51:37] <wmk> oh, good luck and good internet connection in new office swaiba
246: [07:51:43] <wmk> !paste alialamshahi
247: [07:51:44] <ss-helper> alialamshahi: Please paste your code using something like http://kopy.io/ or http://www.sspaste.com/ or https://gist.github.com/ and then paste the link here.
248: [07:52:06] <alialamshahi> my body tag is in page.ss
249: [07:52:28] <alialamshahi> but I want to give it a class from ClientPage.php
250: [07:53:05] <alialamshahi> which is in mysite > code
251: [07:53:54] <alialamshahi> Tried this on Page.php but didnt work: function getClassNameForBody() { return BodyClass::get();; }
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253: [07:54:22] <alialamshahi> and this is the code on ClientsPage.php : function BodyClass() { return 'page'; }
254: [07:57:12] <alialamshahi> any ideas how can I achive this?
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257: [07:58:18] <alialamshahi> I guess I have the solution!
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261: [08:06:40] <wmk> alialamshahi, fine ;)
262: [08:06:46] <wmk> yo leomeloxp
263: [08:07:09] <wmk> kinglozzer, do you know where i find docs about <% List('BlogPost') %>?
264: [08:07:21] <wmk> is there more info about it in documentation?
265: [08:08:29] <kinglozzer> wmk: Not sure about docs, but it's in the API docs - http://api.silverstripe.org/3.2/source-class-GenericTemplateGlobalProvider.html#35-52
266: [08:08:49] <leomeloxp> yo wmk
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290: [09:20:14] <wmk> adventurous today: trying out IDEAnnotator module
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293: [09:24:32] <swaiba> yeah wmk that module looks great!
294: [09:25:02] <wmk> yup. still have configuring issues
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296: [09:29:26] <leomeloxp> Any idea how I could get that module to work with Sublime?
297: [09:31:14] <wmk> which module?
298: [09:31:20] <wmk> annotator?
299: [09:31:39] <wmk> well, dunno if sublime takes care of phpdocs and does autocompletition
300: [09:31:52] <wmk> sublime is an editor, phpstorm is an IDE, so it knows your code and migt help you
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302: [09:35:36] <wmk> yeah, it works... fine!
303: [09:37:54] <leomeloxp> wmk: I would expect Sublime to have some packages that improve handling of phpdocs. But I guess I'll have to figure that out myself!
304: [09:38:39] <wmk> leomeloxp, i'm no sublime user. maybe someone else over here might help
305: [09:38:48] <wmk> Zauberfisch, any idea? ^^
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310: [09:52:25] <rytiz2873> hi, i have 2 DataObject's. One is weeks and another is dishes. Week has breakfast, dinner and etc. I need week with tabs with it(bearkfast, etc.), and i make this with dishes list, but it's wrong becouse in these tabs when i click add new dish, i need form only with dropdown with all dishes. Now when i click add ne dish it opens full dish form - any ideas how to do it?
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313: [10:09:22] <swaiba> rytiz2873 pastie your code?
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325: [11:00:52] <rytiz2873> swaiba thanks, but i just found solution :)
326: [11:01:14] <swaiba> no worries, glad it worked out rytiz2873
327: [11:01:16] <rytiz2873> i will use checkboxes :)
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348: [12:26:27] <r3v3rb> good afternoon all
349: [12:28:28] <r3v3rb> >> ProductPage::get()->where("ParentID = $this->ID")->limit("$SQL_start,$Limit"); << Why is ParentID amiguous?
350: [12:28:42] <r3v3rb> ambiguous*
351: [12:31:32] <UndefinedOffset> r3v3rb must be another table being joined against that also has a ParentID column, could just use "ProductPage"."ParentID" that'll make it not ambiguous and still also Versioned to adjust the query. Also why not use filter instead of where?
352: [12:31:44] <UndefinedOffset> I think filter would do this on its own
353: [12:31:52] <r3v3rb> okay sweet. yep that makes sense
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356: [12:37:48] <Pyrmnk> cunt boss doing cunt boss things.
357: [12:38:10] <r3v3rb> noice Pyrmnk ;) 80%?
358: [12:38:26] <r3v3rb> actually - "SiteTree_Live”.”ParentID” fixed it
359: [12:38:30] <Pyrmnk> eh?
360: [12:39:03] <r3v3rb> ^^ first post - 80% and stop ‘cunt’ or summat else?
361: [12:39:13] <Pyrmnk> the name? connected on phone because web chat down.
362: [12:39:59] <r3v3rb> Pyrmnk: got home at 10pm after delays to trains on Friday… useless
363: [12:40:21] <r3v3rb> then a fifteen minute walk to house :| grrr
364: [12:40:23] <Pyrmnk> heh.idk.whatevs.feel throat getting sore :/
365: [12:40:44] <r3v3rb> slovakia is already looking better — flights only £59 return at the moment
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367: [12:41:52] <Pyrmnk> haha r3v3rb, got home at 2am ish after getting the not at closing at 1 or something... useless.
368: [12:41:58] <Pyrmnk> :p
369: [12:43:29] <Pyrmnk> and no, Slovenia. not Slovakia. they're all of Austria/Hungary apart.
370: [12:44:03] <Pyrmnk> atop the Adriatic sea
371: [12:46:22] <Pyrmnk> Simon made the same mistake in the meet up thread. although there were attendees from Slovakia too, so it is a possibility :)
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374: [13:02:13] <r3v3rb> all sounds good to me. so does the 2am… how did the bike ride go at that time of the morning!
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378: [13:04:41] <ss-helper> aneesha_: Welcome to #silverstripe! Please ask your questions but don't leave too soon, we are a busy lot.
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380: [13:05:05] <r3v3rb> slovakia (bratislava) sounds better to me £91 as opposed to slovenia £190…
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383: [13:08:21] <r3v3rb> oh noes: https://www.csl-web.com/ - dev/build dev/build dev/build
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392: [13:15:11] <Pyrmnk> r3v3rb: haha, bike ride OK. knackered the next day though, ha ha
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395: [13:16:44] <r3v3rb> lol, my little legs handled the charge back to London Bridge without failing me - which was unusual!
396: [13:16:55] <Pyrmnk> we had a cougar attack and all, was a great night. hasn't had fun like that in a long time :)
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398: [13:18:16] <Pyrmnk> r3v3rb: London bridge? not Liverpool station?
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400: [13:19:26] <r3v3rb> southern rail - london bridge, waterloo east, charig cross, blackfriars or victoria - LB was a short hop and a skip across tower bridge and then straight down past city hall…
401: [13:19:28] <kinglozzer> r3v3rb: How the heck did you manage to get home before I did? D:
402: [13:19:58] <r3v3rb> kinglozzer: bloody hell - I had delays too - how long did your train take!
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404: [13:20:25] <r3v3rb> tbf, the train was literally waiting for me though at LB
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406: [13:22:21] <r3v3rb> nice, nearly done with a 2.4.12 to 3.1.15 update with translatable and lots of old DOManager shizzle !
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409: [13:22:55] <r3v3rb> and 7 whole days before relaunch!
410: [13:23:01] <Pyrmnk> ah, that the same line that goes past Vauxhall if it went the other way r3v3rb?
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413: [13:24:34] <Pyrmnk> yeah, those old updates put you in a groove before long, almost do them on auto pilot once you've met all the caveats
414: [13:24:36] <r3v3rb> LB to Vauxhall via Oval tube yeh
415: [13:25:06] <wmk> r3v3rb, 3.1 is totally outdated, 3.2 is the new hotness!
416: [13:25:12] <r3v3rb> Pyrmnk: I have a re ‘brand’ to do at the same time so it’s not a simple jump
417: [13:25:27] <Pyrmnk> ah.
418: [13:25:34] <r3v3rb> wmk, yeh I might if I get finished with the styling updates and have a couple of hours to spare
419: [13:25:46] <wmk> dunno if all modules are 3.2 ready.
420: [13:25:51] <Pyrmnk> but yeah, 3.2 :p!
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422: [13:25:55] <wmk> e.g. composer cms "3.1.*"
423: [13:25:59] <wmk> WTF!!!
424: [13:26:04] <Pyrmnk> although that's a fair point
425: [13:26:19] <Pyrmnk> lulls
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427: [13:26:37] <r3v3rb> wmk, but I prefer stability and not having to make major jumps - translatable, lumberjack, languageprefix etc etc
428: [13:27:24] <r3v3rb> plus siteconfig is now a module i believe and will that screw up translatable etc etc - lots to consider
429: [13:27:39] <Pyrmnk> don't like jumps? I thought you'd have been at it like a rabbit r3v3rb :P
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431: [13:28:03] <r3v3rb> :P Pyrmnk - I’m catholic - I have to abstain!
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433: [13:28:20] <Pyrmnk> :o
434: [13:29:25] <wmk> r3v3rb, siteconfig is installed when you run a new 3.2 project. no problem...
435: [13:29:43] <Pyrmnk> installing oracle connectors in Ubuntu 14.04, oh joys
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437: [13:30:12] <Pyrmnk> really enjoyed your talk wmk :)
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439: [13:30:50] <Pyrmnk> really want to play with ansible here at work now.
440: [13:31:04] <r3v3rb> wmk, i’ll give it ago once the dev site is feature complete
441: [13:31:18] <Pyrmnk> only got 8 days left though, no time!
442: [13:31:26] <r3v3rb> easy to downgrade with composer cms “3.1.15” so we’ll see ;)
443: [13:31:26] <wmk> Pyrmnk, thanks
444: [13:31:33] <wmk> was a bit unsure if it wasn't totally boring
445: [13:31:52] <r3v3rb> wmk, i missed it - not being around on saturday :(
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447: [13:32:03] <r3v3rb> when is the video being posted?
448: [13:32:10] <swaiba> afternoon r3v3rb, filter coffee machine is ON? mine is mmmmm coffee
449: [13:32:10] <wmk> r3v3rb, slides are already online, code to follow, video (they say) this week
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451: [13:32:17] <Pyrmnk> no, it was fine :) much better than me lightening talk, that's for sure!
452: [13:32:17] <wmk> so go for next week ;)
453: [13:32:38] <r3v3rb> swaiba: coffee filters are in seriously short supply :| and wife went shopping this morning - not a happy bunny!
454: [13:32:39] <wmk> Pyrmnk, tbh: you spoke too fast and too silent
455: [13:32:53] <wmk> was a bit hard to understand
456: [13:33:01] <wmk> but nevertheless interesting
457: [13:33:02] <swaiba> oh no :o
458: [13:33:05] <r3v3rb> Pyrmnk: when did you lightning?
459: [13:33:14] <swaiba> hopefully disasterous situation resolved soon
460: [13:33:14] <wmk> r3v3rb, before the thunder
461: [13:33:15] <Pyrmnk> ah, nervous :( no preparation
462: [13:33:26] <r3v3rb> swaiba: it’s not good there are still many keyboard bashing hours left and only two filters!
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464: [13:34:08] <Pyrmnk> with next to nothing to back up what I was trying to talk about :<
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466: [13:35:13] <Pyrmnk> got told I have to document this morning :(
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471: [13:38:47] <r3v3rb> swaiba: indeed, i’m kicking her out - she’s just flooded the bathroom… bloody woman!
472: [13:39:12] <swaiba> ha!
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475: [13:40:51] <r3v3rb> swaiba: no papers, and now water dripping onto the coffee making room from above !?!? WTF!
476: [13:41:27] * r3v3rb grabs laptop and goes to the de la warr pavilion to work before he gets stressed…
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478: [13:41:41] <swaiba> lol r3v3rb
479: [13:41:44] <r3v3rb> they do great coffee there swaiba ;)
480: [13:41:51] <swaiba> coffee is more important
481: [13:41:54] <r3v3rb> if you’re ever in Bexhill
482: [13:42:01] <r3v3rb> or Hastings
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484: [13:42:07] <swaiba> can you belive in a room of 4 coders I'm the only coffee drinker ?
485: [13:42:26] <r3v3rb> not ‘real’ coders then are they ;)
486: [13:42:48] <swaiba> I try and give them benefit of the doubt ;-)
487: [13:43:22] <r3v3rb> i’m only on my seventh today, but having to judge when I should go to M&S and get filters… or should I finish this events listing page
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489: [13:43:54] <r3v3rb> swaiba: you still working on/at bookinglive?
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491: [13:44:20] <Pyrmnk> I only started drinking coffee last year
492: [13:44:34] <swaiba> r3v3rb it's a tough choice for sure, but I'd get the filters!
493: [13:44:44] <swaiba> and yep bookinglive all the way!
494: [13:45:01] <r3v3rb> swaiba: I think thats a given ;) Pyrmnk only last year?!? I was weaned from the teat on coffee
495: [13:45:16] <Pyrmnk> haha
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497: [13:45:35] <swaiba> yeah, but at least you've started
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499: [13:45:58] <Pyrmnk> yeah, came to the UK, started drinking it because I couldn't affords energy drink
500: [13:46:15] <Pyrmnk> or none was available
501: [13:46:38] <r3v3rb> Pyrmnk: you has no wings no more :(
502: [13:47:27] <swaiba> they are super expensive those things, and basically coffee and chemicals
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504: [13:47:33] <Pyrmnk> most kiwis go the other way, the most common complaint I hear from expats is that it's extremely rare to get a good cup here
505: [13:47:53] <r3v3rb> swaiba: just adding e-tickets to an online booking system and android/ios reader for the event management… should I extend it to Pay per user and roll it out or open source it?
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507: [13:48:35] <Pyrmnk> why not both?
508: [13:48:39] <Pyrmnk> :p
509: [13:48:47] <r3v3rb> because I is lazy and have no time
510: [13:48:56] <swaiba> r3v3rb - your choice!
511: [13:49:28] <swaiba> As I told folk at the event, it's why I hang out try and help in other ways as most of our codes doesn't seen the open source light of day
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514: [13:50:13] <r3v3rb> swaiba: i get that - not in your businesses interest :)
515: [13:50:35] <swaiba> oh no, not at all!
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517: [13:50:48] <swaiba> oh err depends what you mean
518: [13:50:49] <r3v3rb> besides your paycheck would suddenly shrink if everyone was commiting to your repos - then again if I committed you’d need a pay rise!
519: [13:51:33] <swaiba> you know chatted to the ecommerce folk, would love to get more code into the open source to get more back (you know like silverstripe)
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523: [13:52:01] <swaiba> it's just not planned in to project plans
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525: [13:52:07] <Pyrmnk> it's hard in your position though swaiba, I imagine that most of it is tied to your workflow internally as opposed to being engineered to an open common denominator use case then refining it for internal use
526: [13:53:47] <swaiba> well Pyrmnk initially yes, but now the system has been refactored twice and rebuilt from the ground up... you really start to get into modulatiry / un coupled solutions
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529: [13:53:55] <Pyrmnk> as open modules tend to have to be, otherwise they end up with just one user anyway... the folk who wrote it.
530: [13:54:17] <swaiba> meaning we are int eh best position ever to take a piece out as a reliable components
531: [13:54:21] <Pyrmnk> it's true swaiba.
532: [13:54:45] <swaiba> again it's which one, when and "what about the fire over there!!!!"
533: [13:54:56] <swaiba> (the fires are quite common, sigh)
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535: [13:55:30] <wmk> using fluent for 7 or 8 languages... good idea or not?
536: [13:55:39] <wmk> as it saves everything in a single row
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538: [13:55:55] <Pyrmnk> but there usually still needs to be an eye over to ensure proprietary code isn't leaking, which means time, which means money, which never makes stake holders too happy :/
539: [13:56:19] <r3v3rb> Pyrmnk: loves db’s in single rows swaiba ;)
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541: [13:56:41] <Pyrmnk> oh le sigh
542: [13:57:16] <r3v3rb> siggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh………………
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544: [13:57:25] <Pyrmnk> don't remind me r3v3rb, was told this morning I have to document that table :s
545: [13:57:48] <r3v3rb> lmao, ‘it’s a single row - go figure’ there done it for you
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547: [13:58:28] <swaiba> wmk depends on the number of fields to translate eh? and the possibility of more languages later? is this more than max fields per table...
548: [13:58:45] <wmk> swaiba, how to calculate max field/col per table?
549: [13:59:12] <wmk> in doubt we need to split out not-so-importand data in a 1:1 relation
550: [13:59:22] <swaiba> https://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/column-count-limit.html
551: [13:59:34] <swaiba> "There is a hard limit of 4096 columns per table"
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554: [13:59:43] <wmk> omg. that's more than enough
555: [13:59:48] <swaiba> be careful.... 4096 will creep up on you lol
556: [14:00:30] <r3v3rb> swaiba: switch to translatable and languageprefix :D all separate rows for each language ;)
557: [14:00:42] <r3v3rb> and nice /en /es out the box
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559: [14:01:41] <wmk> well, with utf8 it's much less, but i _guess_ normally ~100 cols should be more than enough
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574: [14:11:53] <Pyrmnk> I need to ansible the fuck outta this server setup process :<
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589: [14:26:22] <r3v3rb> hmm, is GroupedBy in templates deprecated?
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592: [14:27:07] <Pyrmnk> hope not :<
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594: [14:27:48] <r3v3rb> no but it has changed somewhat since 2.4 in that it uses groupedlists now as well
595: [14:27:51] <Pyrmnk> r3v3rb: but do ensure you've returned an instance of GroupedList
596: [14:27:57] <r3v3rb> ;)
597: [14:28:17] <Pyrmnk> just a wrapper, nothing too dance :)
598: [14:28:27] <Pyrmnk> fancy*
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607: [14:36:08] <r3v3rb> yep, all working had to change the call in the template as it was requesting $MonthCreated instead of just the string MonthCreated but now it’s fixed :D
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609: [14:37:05] <r3v3rb> tidy up of templates for products and events tomorrow and the site is done, fully responsive update/new design and SS3.1.15 / 3.2( maybe wmk )
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611: [14:37:22] <r3v3rb> geez aneesha are you joining or not?
612: [14:37:45] <r3v3rb> we don’t bite, stay if you want, but close the door it’s getting cold in here
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615: [14:40:56] <wmk> r3v3rb, cool
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618: [14:41:09] <wmk> r3v3rb, *GG*
619: [14:41:30] <wmk> i'm out for today, cu guys
620: [14:41:34] <wmk> and lads
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691: [15:44:37] <MarkGuinn> Does anyone have any wisdom to share about setting up Transifex for a module?
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694: [15:45:28] <Pyrmnk> not particularly sorry. wmk is usually the translation wizard, but he's left for the day
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696: [15:46:17] <Pyrmnk> Zauberfisch may have some insights if he is around MarkGuinn
697: [15:50:48] <leomeloxp> yo MarkGuinn o/
698: [15:51:30] <MarkGuinn> Hey Leo! what's up?
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700: [15:54:37] <leomeloxp> MarkGuinn: All good man! how are you?
701: [15:55:35] <MarkGuinn> Playing catch-up after the weekend, but all good other than that.
702: [16:02:04] <slievr> where's the best place to see all the talks?
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705: [16:06:18] <swaiba> hey MarkGuinn 0/
706: [16:07:14] <swaiba> I've no idea on Transifex, is that another translation solution?
707: [16:07:58] <MarkGuinn> Yeah, my understanding is that it gives you an easy-ish UI for adding and editing translation files.
708: [16:08:31] <MarkGuinn> It doesn't replace the Silverstripe i18n implementation, just gives an interface to the yml files.
709: [16:08:53] <MarkGuinn> https://www.transifex.com/silverstripe/silverstripe-cms/
710: [16:11:45] <Pyrmnk> yeh, it's the way it has to be done these days swaiba
711: [16:12:43] <swaiba> oh yeah it's coming back ot me, this is the bit I see in readme.txt to ask for translations to there and not a pull requests?
712: [16:12:58] <Pyrmnk> mmm
713: [16:13:10] <Pyrmnk> fffffffuuuuuuuu
714: [16:14:39] <Pyrmnk> spent all day installing and configuring phi support for oracle databases, only to now be told the driver no longer supports connecting to that version of database. WTF
715: [16:14:54] <Pyrmnk> mad. home time.
716: [16:18:20] <MarkGuinn> Yes, I think that's the idea. I really don't know much about it though. The core team is using it for framework and cms though and it seems to be gaining adoption overall.
717: [16:18:26] <muskie9> slievr what talks?
718: [16:18:43] <muskie9> they have a vimeo channel: https://vimeo.com/silverstripe
719: [16:18:52] <MarkGuinn> slievr - I think they'll be up on Vimeo and YouTube this week or next.
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721: [16:27:19] <r3v3rb> ugh, translatable is being an arse again!
722: [16:28:25] <r3v3rb> hi MarkGuinn, did anything exciting come out of the ‘shop’ discussion?
723: [16:32:35] <MarkGuinn> It was really good. I think a lot of us walked away with a lot of excitement. We're going to try to gather a list of must-have features in the form of user stories by Nov 1. We're asking each person to limit this to the top 3 most necessary-but-currently-lacking things and think specifically about actual clients and projects you've worked on.
724: [16:33:36] <kinglozzer> MarkGuinn: Dunno if my colleague Colin has spoken to you, but Bigfork will contribute some development time to open source stuff for it. We're drafting some user stories atm :)
725: [16:34:41] <MarkGuinn> If we can find enough common ground out of that, we'll try to put together a team of 2-4 to come up with a proposal for a 2.0 version that will aim to be released with SS 4.0 and make drastic changes as needed.
726: [16:35:54] <MarkGuinn> Assuming that team comes up with something good, I imagine we'll present it back to the community, with something like an RFC and then see how we can make it happen.
727: [16:35:57] <MarkGuinn> kinglozzer - he did via Anselm on Twitter. :) Very glad to hear it!
728: [16:36:55] <MarkGuinn> So r3v3rb if you want to add some user stories, that would be great.
729: [16:37:12] <kinglozzer> Anyway, home time for me
730: [16:37:14] <kinglozzer> bb all!
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732: [16:37:52] <r3v3rb> MarkGuinn: let me know where and I’ll take a look
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735: [16:41:36] <Sphere> \☺
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739: [16:45:09] <headtrip> Hey Guys, we mostly build Bootstrap powered themes. Sometimes our customers need more flexibility. So i want to give them the opportunity to use the bootstrap grid system. I tried to use the GridField to let them dynamically add content blocks and have a enumeration in the DataObject of the Gridfield to determine how big the field they are adding is (1-12). If you try to do
740: [16:45:09] <headtrip> that the Silverstripe template language is not really powerfull enough to do it, compared to for example Twig. Do you have any solutions or suggestions how to do it right? Greetings from Germany
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742: [16:45:58] <Sphere> You could extend SSViewer?
743: [16:46:41] <headtrip> so the solution is really to extend the template language itself?
744: [16:46:45] <r3v3rb> headtrip - are you sure the enumeration would just form the basis of the block class surely?
745: [16:47:38] <headtrip> Do you have any better solution r3v3rb?
746: [16:47:50] <headtrip> i am open to everything :D
747: [16:48:16] <r3v3rb> i’m not entirely sure, tbh. could you explain what it is that isn’t working?
748: [16:48:34] <headtrip> you know bootstrap?
749: [16:48:53] <r3v3rb> I assuming you have DO that you assign ‘3’ and another with ‘9’ to fill a row?
750: [16:49:06] <r3v3rb> i do know bootstrap yes :)
751: [16:49:18] <headtrip> yes thats it
752: [16:49:19] <r3v3rb> not an expert by any means but have used it occassionally
753: [16:50:03] <headtrip> so we have to know wether the row is allready "full" or not to say wether we should close/open a new row
754: [16:50:10] <r3v3rb> so for each gridfield DO the enclosing block would need a class of col-md-XX
755: [16:50:54] <r3v3rb> right you would probably need to do some nice function in the controller to parse the gridfield list first in to sets
756: [16:51:09] <r3v3rb> then pass those sets to the template in a nested format
757: [16:51:51] <r3v3rb> so a loop within a loop oonce you know how many items fill the row in turn
758: [16:51:55] <r3v3rb> once*
759: [16:52:12] <headtrip> yes i get what you mean
760: [16:52:25] <headtrip> doesnt feels right..
761: [16:53:10] <r3v3rb> why not? functions in templates goes against the MVC ideal of silverstripe - define the rows first then pass them off to the template engine...
762: [16:54:20] <headtrip> it should happen in the template i think
763: [16:54:39] <r3v3rb> damn, what have I done - now loading the CMS Security tab results in unlink warnings from the cache in the ‘import’ section and ends up loading the site not the form!
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765: [17:04:43] <nontgor> headtrip: Push all logic back to the controller. Midnight my time (Thailand) so don't expect much more feedback tonight but have a look at https://github.com/gordonbanderson/weboftalent-gridrows for inspiration
766: [17:09:13] <headtrip> Thank you guys, i will develop a solution out of this
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778: [18:01:46] <ss-helper> Re: [silverstripe-dev] Re: Insert media into page popup modal incl. add by URL - https://groups.google.com/d/msg/silverstripe-dev/9sfkXXgJS8c/iCU_dvkQBgAJ
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797: [19:38:58] <aneesha> @reverb, sorry for all the logins.. i forgot to switch off at end of day
798: [19:39:30] <aneesha> ** @r3v3rb
799: [19:46:52] <ss-helper> Re: [silverstripe-dev] Clearly, we should also have "should we drop PHP 5.4 support in SS4?" thread as well :-) - https://groups.google.com/d/msg/silverstripe-dev/7mVvhNNeNps/VGeS2GEXBgAJ
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812: [21:13:20] <adrexia> the silverstripe site is looking really nice today
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814: [21:13:39] <adrexia> I like what's been done with the menus
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819: [21:27:24] <spronk> ss23 wat joo think of your new schiit?
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824: [21:50:53] <antmas> merning erl o/
825: [21:51:52] <terryapodaca> Do most of you have your own websites?
826: [21:52:26] <Zauberfisch> terryapodaca: not sure what you mean
827: [21:52:29] <adrexia> like websites about us?
828: [21:52:35] <Zauberfisch> http://zauberfisch.at
829: [21:52:36] <Zauberfisch> yay
830: [21:52:42] <terryapodaca> yeah, like i have terryapodaca.com
831: [21:52:44] <muskie9> I've tried, but never had the time
832: [21:52:46] <terryapodaca> but next to never update it
833: [21:52:47] <adrexia> I have a domain I haven't done anythig with
834: [21:53:07] <adrexia> http://adrexia.nz/
835: [21:53:08] <adrexia> ;)
836: [21:53:16] <Zauberfisch> well, then yes, I have the most beautiful one ever
837: [21:53:20] <terryapodaca> Zauberfisch: NICE
838: [21:53:22] <terryapodaca> :D
839: [21:53:24] <Zauberfisch> right
840: [21:53:42] <spronk> i finally got around to a contact page this year :P
841: [21:54:18] <terryapodaca> lol adrexia
842: [21:54:46] <Zauberfisch> terryapodaca: but commercially I have one with a bit more content
843: [21:54:53] <Zauberfisch> though I am afraid to show it :S
844: [21:55:06] <Zauberfisch> because it's wordpress
845: [21:55:17] <terryapodaca> boooooo
846: [21:55:21] <terryapodaca> j/k
847: [21:55:31] <terryapodaca> you can PM it to me
848: [21:55:33] <Zauberfisch> we made like 3 websites so far, but somehow never where happy
849: [21:55:33] <terryapodaca> ;)
850: [21:55:34] <Zauberfisch> lol
851: [21:55:55] <Zauberfisch> so we ended up just putting a temporary wordpress theme shit thing up so we have at least something :D
852: [21:58:07] <antmas> I just have a github.io account
853: [21:58:09] <antmas> that I use
854: [21:58:22] <antmas> this thing http://textures.github.io/
855: [21:58:57] <antmas> and never update :P
856: [21:59:20] <terryapodaca> yeah, i never update mine either, was thinking about a simple landing page like that
857: [21:59:24] <Zauberfisch> yeah, was planing on doing something like for zauberfisch.at aswell, so that people can directly find my contact info
858: [21:59:36] <Zauberfisch> instead of having to search for me on tiwtter, github or irc
859: [21:59:38] <Zauberfisch> *twitter
860: [21:59:49] <antmas> yeah landing page is best
861: [21:59:53] <terryapodaca> with my contact info and maybe a line or two about what I do
862: [22:00:02] <antmas> contacts, basic info and links to portfolio items
863: [22:00:38] <Zauberfisch> antmas: haha, I love how your education and experience is empty :D
864: [22:00:52] <antmas> Zauberfisch: haha yes
865: [22:01:08] <antmas> I need to redo that completely as my cv is way out of date
866: [22:02:00] <ss-helper> Re: SilverStripe 4.0: File Deletion / Security Discussion - https://groups.google.com/d/msg/silverstripe-dev/PihYhP3ZTN8/jQyoMrEeBgAJ
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868: [22:02:03] <Zauberfisch> I would just deletet that
869: [22:02:14] <Zauberfisch> an empty cv just looks worse than no cv at all
870: [22:02:20] <Zauberfisch> in fact, a lot of good peop
871: [22:02:25] <Colin[pi]> o/
872: [22:02:35] <Zauberfisch> people don't publish a cv public on the internet anyway
873: [22:02:42] <Zauberfisch> so you would be fine without
874: [22:03:05] <terryapodaca> yeah, I wouldn't publish a cv or resume
875: [22:03:13] <terryapodaca> o/
876: [22:03:24] <terryapodaca> is that a waving person?
877: [22:03:32] <Zauberfisch> yeah, me neither
878: [22:03:36] <Zauberfisch> terryapodaca: yes
879: [22:03:54] <antmas> I would publish a cv
880: [22:03:54] <terryapodaca> \o/
881: [22:03:59] <antmas> what's wrong with doing that?
882: [22:04:06] <terryapodaca> nothing wrong with it
883: [22:04:19] <antmas> why would you NOT do it though?
884: [22:04:32] <terryapodaca> but I am also employed and not doing freelance work anymore
885: [22:04:47] <terryapodaca> so out of respect for my employer, I won't
886: [22:05:00] <terryapodaca> it would be different if I were looking for work
887: [22:05:41] <antmas> mmm the work respect thing can be tricky
888: [22:06:14] <Zauberfisch> well, I am actually looking for work. but I do that with a commercial website, not on my "personal" zauberfisch one
889: [22:06:21] <antmas> but I try to be honest in always having it available - employer should also respect that if something else was to come up, the employee is open to look at it
890: [22:06:22] <adrexia> my CV is bvasically all on linked in
891: [22:06:23] <Zauberfisch> I also have one using my full name, but that one is empty aswell
892: [22:07:04] <Zauberfisch> and on my personal website with full name I perhaps would explain "yeah, I am awesome and super awesome and everything, and I have built a lot of stuff"
893: [22:07:10] <Zauberfisch> but no full cv or something
894: [22:07:40] <adrexia> "so out of respect for my employer, I won't"
895: [22:07:42] <Zauberfisch> nothing wrong with that, but I wouldn't maintain it, and then it would look silly or outdated
896: [22:07:47] <adrexia> I've never heard that attitude before
897: [22:07:49] <adrexia> interwsting
898: [22:09:20] <antmas> adrexia: terryapodaca what part of advertising your cv do you think is disrespectful to your employer?
899: [22:09:42] <Zauberfisch> I'd say it depends on how aggressive you are
900: [22:09:51] <antmas> I mean
901: [22:09:55] <Zauberfisch> I think cv generally is ok
902: [22:10:00] <antmas> if you were saying 'please hire me' everywhere, that would be different
903: [22:10:11] <antmas> but having it publicly accessable is not disrespectful
904: [22:10:12] <Zauberfisch> but if you say like "I am always looking to dump my old company and work for you now"
905: [22:10:16] <Zauberfisch> that might be bad
906: [22:10:21] <antmas> exactly
907: [22:10:48] <antmas> I think it would be disrespectful of your EMPLOYER to be offended that you have your CV availble for viewing
908: [22:15:10] <adrexia> yeah, I agree
909: [22:15:26] <spronk> yup
910: [22:15:56] <adrexia> Perhaps its that its basically the norm here though.
911: [22:15:56] <spronk> your employer should be providing you with enough to keep you there
912: [22:16:38] <adrexia> yeah - the reason you stay somewhere should not be "haven't had any other offers" or "no one knows what I can do"
913: [22:17:10] <spronk> pretty much. If your employer are unhappy about you having a publically available CV, screw them :)
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915: [22:24:39] <terryapodaca> It's not about my employer liking it or not
916: [22:24:46] <terryapodaca> it's just a respect thing
917: [22:25:03] <terryapodaca> and in my eyes, if you publish a resumen/cv
918: [22:25:13] <terryapodaca> that's just like submitting it for other jobs
919: [22:25:20] <adrexia> ...which is also ok
920: [22:25:36] <terryapodaca> if you are not looking, whats the point of publishing it or submitting it?
921: [22:25:39] <adrexia> but yeah - it doesn't really have the respect thing here
922: [22:25:55] <terryapodaca> in my eyes, that's what a personal site is for, publishing your work
923: [22:25:59] <adrexia> ...well if you submit it, then you are looking, right?
924: [22:26:02] <terryapodaca> like a Portfolio or something
925: [22:26:18] <terryapodaca> right, and what's the point of a resume/cv?
926: [22:26:25] <terryapodaca> it's to get hired
927: [22:26:30] <terryapodaca> to find a job
928: [22:26:36] <adrexia> oh, I see
929: [22:26:46] <adrexia> it's also so clients know your backgorund
930: [22:26:55] <antmas> mm
931: [22:26:56] <terryapodaca> to a point
932: [22:27:00] <adrexia> it can help your employer'
933: [22:27:08] <antmas> plus how else do you get offers?
934: [22:27:13] <terryapodaca> cause like i said, I have an employer, I am not looking for clients
935: [22:27:24] <antmas> you may not be actively seeking, but withouth knowing about you, how will any offers come in?
936: [22:27:26] <adrexia> and you never meet clients?
937: [22:27:36] <terryapodaca> antmas: I am not looking for offers
938: [22:27:49] <adrexia> yeah, to be fair, linked in gets a bit annoying with the offers thing
939: [22:27:55] <terryapodaca> I have a project manager
940: [22:28:00] <terryapodaca> I do not talk to the clients
941: [22:28:02] <antmas> linkedin is the worst
942: [22:28:02] <terryapodaca> he does
943: [22:28:04] <adrexia> but I don't have linkedin for recruiters
944: [22:28:11] <adrexia> heh
945: [22:28:26] <adrexia> I would want to know who was dloing the work, and if I could trust them
946: [22:28:32] <adrexia> but I guess, I'm taht sort of person
947: [22:28:47] <terryapodaca> it's really just personal preference anyway
948: [22:28:52] * adrexia nods
949: [22:28:55] <antmas> yeah I would always want to meet the devs
950: [22:29:09] <adrexia> me too
951: [22:29:11] <terryapodaca> well, we have a couple huge clients that have been our clients for many many years
952: [22:29:18] <terryapodaca> there is a trust thing
953: [22:29:20] <adrexia> I don't really understand how it could work otehrwise
954: [22:29:26] <antmas> like
955: [22:29:35] <antmas> imagine being the dude who started Wheedle
956: [22:29:43] <terryapodaca> lol
957: [22:29:44] <antmas> and not meeting those 'devs' :P
958: [22:29:49] <adrexia> haha
959: [22:30:20] <terryapodaca> like i said, our clients have been clients for a long time
960: [22:30:30] <terryapodaca> the relationship is solid
961: [22:30:30] <antmas> that's differnet though
962: [22:30:38] <antmas> the trust is already there
963: [22:30:40] <antmas> but new clients
964: [22:30:42] <terryapodaca> and it's not like I don't ever meet the clients
965: [22:30:59] * adrexia nods
966: [22:31:22] <terryapodaca> we also have a design firm we work hand in hand
967: [22:31:28] <antmas> I usually just give clients lots of technical speak and then they seemingly avoid talking to me and go to my BA :P
968: [22:31:37] <adrexia> I think its interesting, is all. It's not disrespectful to have your cv online here. It's actually just sort of expected.
969: [22:31:50] <antmas> yeah
970: [22:31:59] <terryapodaca> I figured as much
971: [22:32:08] <antmas> big difference between actively pursuing jobs, and publishing your cv
972: [22:32:13] <adrexia> most IT companies love it, because they mostly gain employees form other companies, ;)
973: [22:32:22] <antmas> that too :P
974: [22:38:55] <terryapodaca> :D
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976: [22:41:25] <ss23> spronk: is good man, though like I said, drives my headphones a little hard
977: [22:41:29] <ss23> (e.g. quarter volume is plenty)
978: [22:41:37] <vanny> if I am migrating from one server to another can I just backup the mysql database and install it on another, it is my first time trying that
979: [22:45:50] <antmas> pretty sure you can yeah
980: [22:45:57] * Olliepop quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
981: [22:46:35] <Colin[pi]> vanny: yep just export the SQL, reimport on the server, make sure all the login details are the same, and should be fine
982: [22:46:41] * gelignite quit (Quit: http://bit.ly/1kso8Ta)
983: [22:46:51] <vanny> here we go
984: [22:46:57] <antmas> w00t Office 2016 for $10 :D
985: [22:47:41] <Colin[pi]> antmas: wha? how?
986: [22:48:21] <antmas> we get office 2016 at work, that comes with home use packages for employees
987: [22:48:36] <antmas> enter a code, with email and get home access without ties to work
988: [22:48:36] <Colin[pi]> antmas: nice
989: [22:51:16] <Zauberfisch> I get libreoffice at work and at home
990: [22:51:18] <Zauberfisch> for free
991: [22:51:28] <Colin[pi]> Zauberfisch: yeah but... libreoffice
992: [22:51:30] <Colin[pi]> ;P
993: [22:51:38] <Zauberfisch> bonus feature: it comes without a microsoft cloud shit account
994: [22:52:59] <Zauberfisch> Colin[pi]: sure, libreoffice sucks. but MS office sucks just as much
995: [22:53:43] <Colin[pi]> Zauberfisch: I know! We can all use the Apple offerings, after all, they said Pages is the "greatest word processor in the history of the universe, ever. Ever."
996: [22:53:52] <Colin[pi]> so we should totally believe them right?
997: [22:54:19] <vanny> It worked!!!! that saved some time
998: [22:54:25] <Colin[pi]> vanny: wewt
999: [22:54:36] <terryapodaca> what about OpenOffice?
1000: [22:54:40] <vanny> about time
1001: [22:54:45] <vanny> I wont MS works back!
1002: [22:54:54] <Colin[pi]> LOL I was going to mention Works
1003: [22:54:56] <Zauberfisch> terryapodaca: open office is now libre office
1004: [22:55:10] <antmas> last time I tried OpenOffice/LIbreOffice I was like
1005: [22:55:19] <terryapodaca> https://www.openoffice.org/
1006: [22:55:19] <antmas> 'this is just a shitty MS office, but free'
1007: [22:55:32] <Colin[pi]> antmas: lol yeah so it kinda balances out
1008: [22:56:00] <micmania1> Their site is built on ss :)
1009: [22:56:04] <antmas> it primarily gets used for 'shit I need to open this word doc and I don't have office' type moments
1010: [22:56:19] <Colin[pi]> micmania1: whose?
1011: [22:56:31] <micmania1> http://www.libreoffice.org/
1012: [22:56:41] <vanny> MY old company changed to StarOffice for about 4 months (when I audited them they had 20 unlicensed copies of office), It lasted 4 months and then they paid for 20 licensed copies
1013: [22:56:42] <Colin[pi]> huh no way
1014: [22:56:49] <antmas> jesus that open office site :|
1015: [22:57:03] <Colin[pi]> antmas: looks about right for Apache
1016: [22:57:08] <antmas> lol
1017: [22:57:16] <Colin[pi]> I mean, they have their image to maintain
1018: [22:57:18] <Colin[pi]> ;P
1019: [22:57:27] <antmas> dat consitency
1020: [22:57:34] <terryapodaca> soooooo...OpenOffice changed to LibreOffice, but the Apache took over OpenOffice and now maintains their own?
1021: [22:57:55] <Colin[pi]> terryapodaca: dem forks
1022: [22:59:24] <Zauberfisch> terryapodaca: it was one of those oracle things
1023: [22:59:36] <Zauberfisch> community forked openoffice to libreoffice
1024: [22:59:45] <antmas> #JustOracleThings
1025: [22:59:45] <Zauberfisch> libreoffice is now shipped with most linux distros
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1027: [23:00:34] <Zauberfisch> I actually thought open office was no longer maintained, but you are right, it has been taken in by apache
1028: [23:00:42] <antmas> why? what's the point? does anyone really use linux as a home office machine?
1029: [23:01:02] <antmas> if you do you're probably just lying to yourself :P
1030: [23:01:30] <Colin[pi]> "Linux is now ready for the desktop!" - every Linux nerd for the past 20 years
1031: [23:01:57] <terryapodaca> so Oracle basically abandoned OpenOffice
1032: [23:02:26] <Zauberfisch> terryapodaca: they broke the community first though
1033: [23:03:07] <terryapodaca> hahaha...
1034: [23:03:27] <micmania1> Colin[pi]: it has a web browser and a terminal. What more do you want?
1035: [23:03:34] <Zauberfisch> Colin[pi]: I am
1036: [23:03:42] <antmas> I wonder what it was like being a dev on that when it happened
1037: [23:04:01] <antmas> 'oh shit, I no longer really have the ability to develop an office application'
1038: [23:04:04] <terryapodaca> so all the people that actually made OO took a version of it and simply renamed it LibreOffice
1039: [23:04:06] <Zauberfisch> Colin[pi]: I use linux exclusively for work now (both server and desktop)
1040: [23:04:09] <antmas> SAID NO ONE, EVER
1041: [23:04:11] <Zauberfisch> and am pretty happy with it
1042: [23:04:26] <Zauberfisch> works a lot better for me than mac and windows did
1043: [23:04:30] <Colin[pi]> Zauberfisch: yeah but you're a nerd, it's not ready for non-nerds
1044: [23:04:32] <Colin[pi]> ;)
1045: [23:05:43] <Zauberfisch> idk, I know several non technical people that use linux
1046: [23:05:46] <antmas> mm I'd have to spend a few months fleshing out my neckbeard before commiting time to linux :P
1047: [23:06:03] <terryapodaca> Ubuntu use to be all the craze
1048: [23:06:10] <Colin[pi]> antmas: I'm barely neckbeard enough for OS X let alone Linux
1049: [23:06:17] <antmas> lol
1050: [23:06:30] <Zauberfisch> in fact, I have even started gaming on linux recently
1051: [23:06:35] <Colin[pi]> tux racer?
1052: [23:06:39] <Zauberfisch> haha
1053: [23:06:40] <antmas> when my neckbeard grows I have a windows logo patch in between the hairs
1054: [23:06:43] <Zauberfisch> no, age of empires 2 HD
1055: [23:06:46] <Zauberfisch> in wine
1056: [23:07:09] <antmas> isn't SteamOS basically a linux distro?
1057: [23:07:15] <Zauberfisch> yep
1058: [23:07:41] <Zauberfisch> there are a lot of games already ported to linux, but still many windows only
1059: [23:07:58] <Zauberfisch> but I think steam took a big step that is going to change a lot of things
1060: [23:08:09] <Colin[pi]> mm that will be a bit of a shake up
1061: [23:08:22] <vanny> hey is there a way to check a DNS entry in a particular service provider
1062: [23:08:41] <Zauberfisch> vanny: yes
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1064: [23:08:47] <vanny> I just changed and most places are already updated except AT&T and ofcourse that is my home provider
1065: [23:09:00] <antmas> mmm steamOS can't handle any games that have external launchers either
1066: [23:10:03] <Colin[pi]> antmas: I rage at external launchers
1067: [23:10:04] <Zauberfisch> vanny: dig @dns-server-name.com www.domain-you-want-to-check.com
1068: [23:10:35] <vanny> thanks
1069: [23:10:48] <Colin[pi]> antmas: the worst though is that ubisoft one, with Far Cry
1070: [23:10:59] <antmas> Colin[pi]: mmm, GTAV has one too
1071: [23:11:17] <Zauberfisch> vanny: dig is a command line tool that comes with linux, not sure about mac. for windows you would need cywin and install it
1072: [23:11:23] <antmas> worse than external launchers though, is browser launches - ala Battlefield 3+4+
1073: [23:11:42] <Colin[pi]> antmas: launch game in steam, steam launches ubisoft crap, 563 updates, wait for 2 hours, now returning to steam to launch game.... (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
1074: [23:11:48] <vanny> hehehe, im sure there is a online one though
1075: [23:11:56] <Zauberfisch> I actually like the BF launcher. a lot better than most shitty game launchers
1076: [23:12:13] <antmas> Zauberfisch: the browser one?
1077: [23:12:19] <Zauberfisch> yea
1078: [23:12:26] <antmas> it has improved a lot
1079: [23:12:38] <antmas> but just another thing that uses RAM
1080: [23:12:47] <antmas> I see no benefit of it
1081: [23:13:00] <Zauberfisch> I wish every game did that. because then I could just browser search or inject my own javascript if the game developers where to stupid to consider that a list of servers might need filters
1082: [23:13:01] <Colin[pi]> antmas: yeah but I got like 16GB of RAM
1083: [23:13:04] <Colin[pi]> chicks dig RAM
1084: [23:13:13] <Zauberfisch> Colin[pi]: haha, yes
1085: [23:13:27] <antmas> LOL
1086: [23:13:27] <antmas> nice
1087: [23:13:37] <antmas> open it in chrome though
1088: [23:13:40] <Colin[pi]> I like how windows fills my RAM with all sorts of crap so it doesn't need to use the disk :D
1089: [23:13:41] <antmas> :P
1090: [23:13:47] <Zauberfisch> vanny: when chaning dns settings, be aware that there are many other places that cache dns answers
1091: [23:14:18] <vanny> yeah, I know propagation can take a while but AT&T is the worst
1092: [23:14:25] <Zauberfisch> vanny: most web browsers cache dns internaly, your pc might, your home router might, ...
1093: [23:14:46] <vanny> browser and pc have been flushed
1094: [23:14:48] <Zauberfisch> vanny: don't the respect TTL?
1095: [23:15:01] <vanny> it might be at the router
1096: [23:15:16] <Colin[pi]> vanny: did you try ipconfig /flushdns ?
1097: [23:15:29] <vanny> yep
1098: [23:15:29] <Zauberfisch> when I know I have to change a dns setting, I usually change the TTL to something very low the day before that
1099: [23:15:44] <vanny> no luck. I turn wifi off on my phone and it loads correctly
1100: [23:15:58] <Colin[pi]> vanny: fwiw this always happens to me too
1101: [23:16:03] <Colin[pi]> my ISP has the shittiest dns ever
1102: [23:16:21] <Zauberfisch> vanny: if you need it just for your own sake, you could temporarily change your dns server on your pc
1103: [23:16:23] <vanny> I checked here https://www.whatsmydns.net/ and it is replicated correctly all but china
1104: [23:21:31] <vanny> grrr ok its my ISP DNS, I did a NSlookup on the router and get the old IP
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1106: [23:22:59] <Colin[pi]> vanny: they must use the same DNS server as my ISP: http://i.imgur.com/qMTwxOx.jpg
1107: [23:24:03] <antmas> this dog is like sharepoint server right now http://i.imgur.com/ySlg3Lc.gifv
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1109: [23:24:29] <adrexia> lol
1110: [23:24:36] <adrexia> that is one over protective dog
1111: [23:24:37] <Colin[pi]> antmas: hahaha
1112: [23:24:53] <Colin[pi]> adrexia antmas: it's like my father's dog except my father's dog readily bites and is a cunt
1113: [23:25:02] <adrexia> haha
1114: [23:25:03] <antmas> hahaha
1115: [23:25:24] <adrexia> my mothers dog does that when kids start running
1116: [23:25:31] <adrexia> she doesn't like them running
1117: [23:25:34] <antmas> yeah it's not like when I get passed the sharepoint server, it's not just going to resort to humping my leg
1118: [23:25:38] <Colin[pi]> I love dogs, but this one... man, one way trip to the moon would be too kind
1119: [23:25:53] <Colin[pi]> antmas: haha
1120: [23:26:07] <Colin[pi]> antmas: now we know what goes on at sharepoint conferences
1121: [23:26:17] <antmas> 'you got in then I see?!?! WELL THEN TAKE THIS AND THIS AND THIS'
1122: [23:26:39] <antmas> Colin[pi]: rofl
1123: [23:28:59] * spronka quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
1124: [23:29:58] <Colin[pi]> antmas: lol how pissed would you be? http://www.canberratimes.com.au/act-news/the-forgotten-side-of-the-street-in-canberras-broadband-network-20150910-gjjlf3.html
1125: [23:30:25] <Colin[pi]> "While most of Gungahlin has been wired for superfast NBN, one part of Casey was forgotten. Now residents on the west side of Ashton Calvert Street can download videos at high speed, but just a few metres away, it's a different story."
1126: [23:30:32] <Colin[pi]> dat rage
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1129: [23:36:02] <vanny> grrr, the SS installer hosting services uses puts index.php in all the urls
1130: [23:36:22] <Colin[pi]> vanny: no mod_rewrite?
1131: [23:37:09] <vanny> it is all there, just index.php/home
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1133: [23:38:29] <Colin[pi]> vanny: yeah but is it enabled in Apache? because SS will fall back to index.php if there is no mod_rewrite
1134: [23:40:08] <spronk> oh what a dilemma
1135: [23:40:14] <spronk> anyone have a 128gb ssd that they want to swap with my crucial m4?
1136: [23:40:19] <spronk> it has to be 7mm high
1137: [23:41:13] <vanny> fixed, just had to edit the index.php file, it define('BASE_SCRIPT_URL','index.php/');
1138: [23:41:56] <Colin[pi]> vanny: yeah but you shouldn't have to edit index.php ;P
1139: [23:42:12] <vanny> it had mod_rewrite on
1140: [23:42:22] <Colin[pi]> something else is going wrong, but if it's working, shrug
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1142: [23:44:32] <vanny> something weird
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1146: [23:56:04] <vanny> ok rebooted router and that didnt work. Definately AT&T DNS killing me
1147: [23:57:36] <DanaeNZ> i might get internet on the 11th November

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