#silverstripe IRC Log

IRC log for 7 October 2015

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1: [00:04:31] * Selay has joined #silverstripe
2: [00:08:01] <Selay> Hi guys, when you upload an image, there is an option to select from files. But the default search box there doesnt find anything. http://i.share.pho.to/8411c15b_o.jpeg
3: [00:08:14] <Selay> has anyone had problem with it before?
4: [00:08:29] <Selay> I haven't used it but a customer asked why it doesnt find anything
5: [00:08:41] <Selay> So, I just tried and noticed it doesnt work
6: [00:11:32] <micmania1> Selay: what version of silverstripe is that?
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8: [00:14:11] <Selay> 3.1.4
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10: [00:14:39] <Selay> @micmania1 3.1.4
11: [00:15:31] <helenclarko> selay, It does work, but it searches the tree, not files
12: [00:16:05] <Selay> what do you mean tree?
13: [00:16:11] <Selay> you mean folder?
14: [00:16:23] <Selay> but it just shows all folders
15: [00:16:28] <Selay> no matters what you type in search
16: [00:16:34] <helenclarko> Selay, type in Uploads and the Uploads folder should show.
17: [00:17:22] <helenclarko> oooh, sometimes I get a mysql error.
18: [00:17:33] <helenclarko> I bet I've screwed something up
19: [00:18:15] <Selay> hmm
20: [00:18:24] <Selay> yes, it finds folder name
21: [00:18:53] <helenclarko> selay, Yeah, doesnt find files within the folders, just folders themselves.
22: [00:19:24] <Selay> there is another search icon below to search filename
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24: [00:19:33] <Selay> but it doesnt find anything
25: [00:21:34] <Selay> ah, i see
26: [00:21:40] <helenclarko> Selay, I've had issues with the search before too. Seems to work fine for me at the moment. Even that little magnifying glass icon works for me.
27: [00:22:02] <Selay> it searches after you select a folder
28: [00:22:51] <helenclarko> so the folder drop down lets you search for folders and then you click the magnifying glass icon to do a file search (even partial filenames work).
29: [00:24:10] <helenclarko> Yea, you cant do an entire search over all folders. There may be an addon/module for that (I'm not sure). but you will need to know which folder the file is in before searching.
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31: [00:48:04] <irogue> yep, searching over everything would be very slow
32: [00:48:30] <irogue> but could be added in if you were to index all of the files using something like sphinx or solr
33: [00:48:33] * helenclarko nods
34: [00:48:37] <antmas> w00t 500mb freebie from 2degrees :D
35: [00:48:50] <irogue> fuck 2degrees :P
36: [00:49:14] <helenclarko> irogue, kickassets doesnt do anything with search right?
37: [00:49:35] <antmas> irogue: still better than the other 2 :P
38: [00:50:03] * helenclarko nods
39: [00:50:04] <irogue> helenclarko: no idea, haven't used it
40: [00:50:39] <antmas> beeteedubs, is json still valid when wrapped in [] ?
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43: [00:53:48] <zippy> Colin[pi]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hoF_fa9TMDk "Jemaine sleeps with an Australian girl" :)
44: [00:54:03] <antmas> zippy: dat sun
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48: [01:00:16] <helenclarko> How neat is that?
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54: [01:14:13] <antmas> neato
55: [01:14:20] <antmas> ughhhhhhh it's so nice outside
56: [01:14:29] <antmas> and I'm writing ssrs :(
57: [01:22:46] * antmas sighs heavily
58: [01:23:06] * helenclarko is bored
59: [01:24:50] <chocolatemoose> does include create it's own scope? I get an "Up called when we're already at the top of the scope" when calling Up in an include inside of a loop
60: [01:25:31] <DanaeNZ> fuck this time for anotehr coffee
61: [01:25:39] <DanaeNZ> fucking wednesdays amirite
62: [01:26:15] <chocolatemoose> yuuuup
63: [01:26:19] <helenclarko> DanaeNZ, www.youtube.com/watch?v=LV9YjRiKGhs
64: [01:28:10] <chocolatemoose> ugh, looks like it does create it's own separate scope, includes are sort of useless then :(
65: [01:29:24] <chocolatemoose> I guess I can just pass arguments
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67: [01:31:46] <antmas> pretty sure yesterday we complained about it being tuesday
68: [01:31:49] <antmas> :P
69: [01:31:57] <antmas> but yeah, hump day sucks :(
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71: [01:34:56] <adrexia> chocolatemoose - yep it creates its own scope - but you can pass in Up, top etc when you call the include
72: [01:35:08] <antmas> uhg, IIS logs - y u so vague
73: [01:35:13] <helenclarko> It'll be fine in an hour and a half.
74: [01:35:48] <helenclarko> then I can go home, shorter weeks this week... YAY!
75: [01:36:56] * wmk quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)
76: [01:38:20] <antmas> lucky
77: [01:38:53] <helenclarko> shorter days this week*
78: [01:39:36] <DanaeNZ> helenclarko: feeling baaaad on a WEDNESDAY
79: [01:39:55] <helenclarko> I'm feeling good.
80: [01:41:31] * micmania1 has joined #silverstripe
81: [01:46:10] <antmas> always a good feeling when you assign some of you jobs off to other people :P
82: [01:46:19] <antmas> 'not ma proll'm'
83: [01:47:56] <DanaeNZ> antmas: i wish i could do that
84: [01:48:10] <DanaeNZ> but there's no one to flog them off to!
85: [01:50:45] <antmas> DanaeNZ: tbf the items I'm sending off are for people who are more appropriate for the job
86: [01:50:47] <antmas> like
87: [01:50:50] <antmas> server stuff :P
88: [01:52:43] <DanaeNZ> i just can't hold all these jobs lmao
89: [01:57:01] <Colin[pi]> lol
90: [01:59:48] <zippy> DanaeNZ: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAYL5H46QnQ ?
91: [02:00:11] <DanaeNZ> zippy: great idea
92: [02:00:27] <zippy> do it to your computer = problem solved
93: [02:00:38] <zippy> I guarantee it
94: [02:02:03] <zippy> http://i.imgur.com/EiERt6q.png - sorted
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96: [02:05:17] <antmas> old zippy pulling out a sly chickenbutt eh?
97: [02:05:29] <zippy> not even!
98: [02:07:52] <DanaeNZ> fuck
99: [02:07:54] <DanaeNZ> >>
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101: [02:10:10] <ss-helper> New core team member - https://groups.google.com/d/msg/silverstripe-dev/X9IIcQbC-pM/EiZZ0zbgAQAJ
102: [02:10:49] <helenclarko> is very wind, yes?
103: [02:14:16] <helenclarko> DanaeNZ, This also works to buy you some time haha. http://fakeupdate.net/
104: [02:14:30] <helenclarko> the overview video is one of the best.
105: [02:14:41] <DanaeNZ> lmaaao
106: [02:15:40] <antmas> :O
107: [02:15:44] <antmas> new Surface 4
108: [02:15:50] <antmas> and Surface Book :D
109: [02:16:08] <chocolatemoose> kind of an awful name
110: [02:16:28] <antmas> mm who would Book in the name of a laptop?
111: [02:17:02] <chocolatemoose> lol, I understand why they would do it, just seems like a gimmicky way to get more sales
112: [02:17:24] <antmas> mm every name is really
113: [02:17:35] <antmas> it does look pretty nice
114: [02:17:43] <chocolatemoose> the hinge is interesting
115: [02:17:43] <antmas> but man, base model is like $2290 NZD
116: [02:18:01] <helenclarko> How neat is that?
117: [02:18:10] <antmas> super neat
118: [02:19:51] <helenclarko> surface is the outside part or uppermost layer of something and a book is a written or printed work consisting of pages glued or sewn together along one side and bound in covers.
119: [02:20:22] <helenclarko> Thats pretty neat.
120: [02:20:35] <chocolatemoose> you can tell that it is because of the way it is
121: [02:21:10] <helenclarko> birds can fly north or south, its completely up to them.
122: [02:21:29] <chocolatemoose> the neature nuggets are just as great :)
123: [02:21:31] <chocolatemoose> errr, neat
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125: [02:21:42] <helenclarko> I can now see why they named it surface book.
126: [02:22:13] <helenclarko> chocolatemoose, They are pretty neat.
127: [02:22:47] <helenclarko> chocolatemoose, the bear attack moose. Bears dont have guns.
128: [02:23:10] <helenclarko> mace
129: [02:23:11] <chocolatemoose> haha, the key is the shimmy
130: [02:23:17] <chocolatemoose> see how I shimmy
131: [02:23:30] <chocolatemoose> shimmy, and then shoot the gap
132: [02:23:38] <helenclarko> chocolatemoose, then shoot the gap
133: [02:25:11] <ss-helper> Re: New core team member - https://groups.google.com/d/msg/silverstripe-dev/X9IIcQbC-pM/5yz8dPPgAQAJ
134: [02:26:42] <zippy> antmas: here ya go; http://hackertyper.net/
135: [02:26:54] <zippy> full screen that and bash the keyboard to look awesome
136: [02:29:35] <antmas> zippy: http://i.imgur.com/soOjJCk.gif
137: [02:30:02] <zippy> :D
138: [02:30:07] <zippy> right, I better do some actual work
139: [02:30:09] <zippy> peace
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142: [02:35:17] <helenclarko> chocolatemoose, Because we want everyone to know how neat nature is, instead of just me and Rodney knowing it.
143: [02:36:39] <chocolatemoose> a lot of animals don't have houses, usually you gotta have a house to have a shower
144: [02:37:08] <helenclarko> thats pretty neat.
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147: [02:37:49] <helenclarko> a lot of times alarmed birds will fly away.
148: [02:39:31] <chocolatemoose> something not a lot of people know, christmas trees grow all year, not just when it's christmassy
149: [02:40:10] <helenclarko> God neature walk is neat!
150: [02:40:32] <helenclarko> its interesting how neat it is!
151: [02:41:10] <chocolatemoose> reminds me of these a bit https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Jz0JcQYtqo
152: [02:41:14] <Colin[pi]> jesus christ, neat is the new chickenbutt
153: [02:41:21] <DanaeNZ> Colin[pi]: well it is now
154: [02:41:47] <DanaeNZ> more like neet
155: [02:42:54] <chocolatemoose> "a human baby of the same age, can do nothing"
156: [02:45:48] <helenclarko> Its called a waterfall because the water's falling.
157: [02:46:37] <helenclarko> here's a factoid, I'm having a great time!
158: [02:47:14] <helenclarko> Okay I have to stop the quotes im cracking up.
159: [02:47:35] <irogue> http://iforce.co.nz/i/4eexokws.3if.png
160: [02:47:36] <antmas> did we break chocolatemoose and helenclarko ?
161: [02:47:42] <irogue> Ian really needs to learn how to lock his computer
162: [02:48:33] <antmas> lol pwnd
163: [02:50:11] <chocolatemoose> ha
164: [02:53:23] <antmas> bah, anyone know how to remove line breaks in a sql select?
165: [02:55:14] <ss-helper> Where to discuss what - https://groups.google.com/d/msg/silverstripe-dev/DeLEi8yl0ew/YPnbwLbiAQAJ
166: [02:55:48] <helenclarko> antmas, I take it you have found the replace query?
167: [02:56:31] <antmas> helenclarko: I know it's probably a replace...
168: [02:56:33] <antmas> I think
169: [02:57:01] <antmas> ah, just need to do it with ascii code for Enter
170: [02:57:43] <helenclarko> Found this online SELECT REPLACE(REPLACE(@str, CHAR(13), ' '), CHAR(10), ' ')
171: [02:58:40] <helenclarko> thats T-SQL Characters for line break and new lines.
172: [02:58:49] <antmas> helenclarko: lol I'm on that same page :P
173: [02:59:22] <helenclarko> I thought you would be, look at that Jon Heller guy. He looks pretty neat.
174: [02:59:36] <antmas> :D
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177: [03:09:33] <DanaeNZ> ...neat
178: [03:14:41] <helenclarko> thats pretty neat!
179: [03:14:47] * helenclarko quit (Quit: Ain't no lie, baby bye bye bye.)
180: [03:15:04] <Colin[pi]> anyone here messed around with docker?
181: [03:15:43] <chocolatemoose> I've messed around a bit with dokku
182: [03:15:54] <antmas> Colin[pi]: I saw a demo of it at teched and it looked pretty awesome
183: [03:16:11] <Colin[pi]> antmas: it looks sweet as, might muck around with it on the mac later
184: [03:16:38] <antmas> mm I saw it at a devops talk, it can be pretty powerful
185: [03:17:09] <Colin[pi]> it still needs a VM on OS X, but it comes with it's own really mimimal one
186: [03:17:46] <chocolatemoose> I think it can be integrated with Vagrant too
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188: [03:18:52] <Colin[pi]> chocolatemoose: it can yeah
189: [03:18:55] <antmas> yup the demo I saw was on vagrant
190: [03:18:58] <antmas> plus a bunch of other shit
191: [03:19:02] <antmas> so many tools :|
192: [03:19:40] <Colin[pi]> antmas: yeah I wiper my mac the other night and want to try and set up a "cutting edge" style environemnt
193: [03:19:48] <Colin[pi]> playing around with VMs and such
194: [03:19:51] <Colin[pi]> *wiped
195: [03:20:16] <antmas> it will be cutting edge for all of about 4 days before the next tool comes out \o/
196: [03:20:22] <Colin[pi]> lol true
197: [03:21:04] <novaweb> Just finished building this at the cwp/silverstripe codesharing meetup http://postimg.org/image/kltyp77xz/
198: [03:21:21] <novaweb> Should have been prizes
199: [03:21:52] <Colin[pi]> novaweb: haha sweet
200: [03:21:59] <Colin[pi]> 👍
201: [03:22:05] <novaweb> vimeo to come shortly
202: [03:22:15] <antmas> Colin[pi]: oohhh mr fancy pants thumbs up
203: [03:22:39] <Colin[pi]> 👌
204: [03:23:05] <antmas> black hands
205: [03:23:07] <antmas> Colin[pi]: racist
206: [03:23:24] <Colin[pi]> 😒
207: [03:23:34] <antmas> :P
208: [03:23:50] <novaweb> i got a question for yall. I've got 9000 pages of data to extract, using cURL, turning the HTML of the pages in to new Page()'s. I have the csv file of the URLs of the pages to scrape. Was gonna just bang them in to an array and iterate over it.
209: [03:24:03] <novaweb> Performance issues?
210: [03:24:05] <novaweb> stupid idea?
211: [03:24:07] <novaweb> better way?
212: [03:24:17] <antmas> maybe if it were > 9000
213: [03:24:18] <antmas> ...
214: [03:24:19] <antmas> :D
215: [03:24:21] <Colin[pi]> novaweb: not stupid, I did something exactly like that recently
216: [03:24:22] <novaweb> HAHAHAHa
217: [03:24:37] <Colin[pi]> 9000???!!!?
218: [03:24:39] <novaweb> Here goes nothin....
219: [03:24:48] <Colin[pi]> novaweb: lessons I learned
220: [03:25:03] <Colin[pi]> 1. turn off timeout and ram limits :P
221: [03:25:13] <Colin[pi]> 2. ignore 404's :P
222: [03:25:16] <antmas> 2. $$$?
223: [03:25:20] <Colin[pi]> 3 ????
224: [03:25:23] <Colin[pi]> 4. PROFIT
225: [03:25:27] <antmas> :D
226: [03:25:41] <novaweb> I got php running at 3000M, what should I set_timeout to? -1?
227: [03:25:42] <novaweb> 0?
228: [03:25:55] <DanaeNZ> the fuck emoticons?
229: [03:26:19] <Colin[pi]> novaweb: I did mine as a BuildTask
230: [03:26:25] <Colin[pi]> with increase_time_limit_to(); increase_memory_limit_to(); at the top
231: [03:26:31] <Colin[pi]> (which is unlimited)
232: [03:26:37] <novaweb> Yep all set up :)
233: [03:26:40] <novaweb> choice thanks
234: [03:26:49] <DanaeNZ> 👌
235: [03:26:55] <DanaeNZ> woho
236: [03:27:00] <antmas> 👍
237: [03:27:03] <Colin[pi]> DanaeNZ: 😄
238: [03:27:22] <DanaeNZ> i just copied and pasted i have no idea how you made them
239: [03:27:32] <antmas> +1
240: [03:27:41] <Colin[pi]> DanaeNZ: my client has an emoji panel
241: [03:27:59] <novaweb> Colin[pi] did you haul arse or run in batches?
242: [03:28:13] <Colin[pi]> novaweb: hauled arse on the last one (3,794 records)
243: [03:28:19] <novaweb> Cool
244: [03:28:23] <Colin[pi]> but the one before that I did in batches
245: [03:28:46] <Colin[pi]> DanaeNZ antmas: http://i.imgur.com/OAdpdhV.png
246: [03:28:54] <Colin[pi]> ^ so gay
247: [03:29:18] <antmas> :P
248: [03:29:27] <antmas> not as gay as the skype ones
249: [03:29:31] <Colin[pi]> oh god no
250: [03:29:41] <Colin[pi]> they are Liberace gay
251: [03:29:48] <antmas> XD
252: [03:30:10] <DanaeNZ> i'm not clicking on anythign today
253: [03:30:35] <antmas> DanaeNZ: it's safe
254: [03:30:39] <Colin[pi]> DanaeNZ: I promise it's not chickenbutt
255: [03:30:46] <Colin[pi]> I told you I'm not Stomach
256: [03:30:47] <Colin[pi]> :P
257: [03:30:55] <DanaeNZ> HEY YOU DID IT ONCE
258: [03:31:00] <DanaeNZ> I'LL NEVER FORGET
259: [03:31:02] <Stomach> wat
260: [03:31:07] <Colin[pi]> DanaeNZ: YES AN I HAVE FELT GREAT SHAME AND REMORSE
261: [03:31:15] <DanaeNZ> Colin[pi]: GOOD
262: [03:31:17] <Colin[pi]> haha Stomach is like "you rang?"
263: [03:31:23] <irogue> that should be our slogan for #silverstripe: "love the nippys. fear the chickenbutt."
264: [03:31:30] <DanaeNZ> Stomach is like "someone say chickenbutt?"
265: [03:31:33] <antmas> irogue: DO IT OMG
266: [03:31:35] <DanaeNZ> irogue: yes
267: [03:31:38] <Colin[pi]> irogue: I will t-shirt the shit out of that for my next visit
268: [03:31:43] <DanaeNZ> bahahaha
269: [03:31:57] <antmas> chickenbutt needs to be the new dickbutt
270: [03:32:02] <Stomach> fear?
271: [03:32:02] <Stomach> :(
272: [03:32:15] <antmas> beware*
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274: [03:32:23] <Colin[pi]> antmas: chickenbutt prolly out ages dickbutt imho lol
275: [03:32:30] <Colin[pi]> I saw it years ago the first time
276: [03:32:40] <antmas> mm
277: [03:32:45] <antmas> dickbutt has had it's time
278: [03:33:11] <antmas> I remember showing it Jazz
279: [03:33:36] <antmas> and she looked at me like, 'is this normal for developers to work on during the day?'
280: [03:33:42] <DanaeNZ> except dicklbutt is funny
281: [03:33:53] <Colin[pi]> antmas: lol
282: [03:33:55] <DanaeNZ> dicklebutt
283: [03:34:00] <Colin[pi]> dickbutt: srs bsns
284: [03:34:02] <antmas> DickleBUTT
285: [03:34:42] <Colin[pi]> antmas: the stuff that always make me think like that is anime and hentai
286: [03:34:50] <Colin[pi]> like "wow... someone's job is to draw this shit"
287: [03:34:55] <Colin[pi]> tentacles and such
288: [03:34:56] <Colin[pi]> lol
289: [03:35:13] <antmas> http://i.imgur.com/lJacJQz.gifv
290: [03:35:21] <antmas> notchickenbutt ^^^
291: [03:35:31] <Colin[pi]> you honestly expect me to click that after what I just said? lol
292: [03:35:35] <antmas> LOL
293: [03:35:38] <antmas> it's not, honestly
294: [03:35:53] <ss-helper> SilverStripe 3.2.0 rc2 release announcement - https://groups.google.com/d/msg/silverstripe-announce/96Zs8gakoPg/NouP1lh4CAAJ
295: [03:36:09] <Colin[pi]> antmas: LOL, was expecting "K"
296: [03:36:45] <antmas> Colin[pi]: lol yeah I think it's been used for K
297: [03:38:00] <Colin[pi]> ooh 3.2.0
298: [03:38:08] <Colin[pi]> wonder what that's gonna break?
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301: [03:39:02] <irogue> everything
302: [03:39:34] <antmas> hey anyone here used youshop?
303: [03:39:35] <Colin[pi]> irogue: yay \o/
304: [03:39:40] <irogue> antmas: for sure
305: [03:39:49] <antmas> irogue: verdict?
306: [03:40:17] <antmas> I'm tempted, but I hear shipping/fee prices are a bit of a roulette
307: [03:41:09] <irogue> antmas: had zero issues
308: [03:41:25] <antmas> irogue: what kinda things have you bought from there?
309: [03:41:26] <irogue> the repackaging thing is a godsend esp when buying from amazon who like using boxes that are 5x bigger than they need to be
310: [03:41:29] <antmas> using it*
311: [03:42:12] <DanaeNZ> youshop is super ez mode too
312: [03:42:27] <DanaeNZ> good for places that don't do international shipping
313: [03:42:39] <antmas> mm like Amazon being an obvious one?
314: [03:42:42] <DanaeNZ> or like, do free shipping within the states
315: [03:42:53] <DanaeNZ> yeahs
316: [03:42:54] <irogue> antmas: roku, many-sided dice, ribbons for electronic calculator
317: [03:42:55] <DanaeNZ> Ebay too
318: [03:43:09] <antmas> yeah
319: [03:43:13] <DanaeNZ> i want a dice set
320: [03:43:20] <DanaeNZ> i don't really play D&D tho
321: [03:43:45] <DanaeNZ> oh shit is Acquisitions Inc up yet? PAX has just been
322: [03:43:48] <antmas> irogue: DanaeNZ any thoughts on what an SSD would cost to ship using youshop?
323: [03:43:57] <DanaeNZ> antmas: they have a neat calculator
324: [03:44:08] <DanaeNZ> if you know the weight/dimnensions
325: [03:44:13] <Colin[pi]> DanaeNZ: 👎
326: [03:44:24] <irogue> which will usually be documented if buying from somewhere like amazon
327: [03:44:48] <DanaeNZ> well won't be more than 500g
328: [03:44:52] <DanaeNZ> https://www.nzpost.co.nz/tools/youshop/youshop-pricing
329: [03:45:04] <DanaeNZ> i'd guess around $14?
330: [03:45:10] <antmas> DanaeNZ: yeah I saw that, but you have to include packing dimensions in that calculator
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332: [03:53:05] * ss23 changed the topic to ' Welcome to #silverstripe | Latest Stable (3.1.14): http://www.silverstripe.org/software/download/ | Dev Mailing List: http://silverstripe.org/dev-list | IRC Logs: http://silverstripe.org/irc-logs | Feature requests: http://silverstripe.uservoice.com | EU Conf: http://silverstripe-europe.org | SS 3.2.0 RC2: https://goo.gl/pHBgoK'
333: [03:54:27] <DanaeNZ> i was secretly hoping it had changed to "Love the Nippy's. Fear the chickenbutt"
334: [03:55:33] <novaweb> https://vimeo.com/141622783 Lego racer in action
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336: [04:00:16] <Colin[pi]> novaweb: went just like the ss.org site launch
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342: [04:12:48] <irogue> this issue is my hell right now https://github.com/silverstripe/silverstripe-framework/issues/4553
343: [04:15:38] <Colin[pi]> irogue: which version? because I can't replicate on my 3.1.15
344: [04:18:54] <irogue> 3.1.15. a bunch of us across different teams here all managed to replicate it back when i reported it
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346: [04:19:34] <Colin[pi]> irogue: browser and platform?
347: [04:19:46] <irogue> has to be in live mode
348: [04:19:50] <Colin[pi]> ahh
349: [04:19:57] <irogue> cos combinedfiles
350: [04:20:00] <Colin[pi]> that'd be why then :P
351: [04:20:18] <irogue> Colin[pi]: all browsers, all platforms :(
352: [04:20:38] <irogue> problem is we have an every-minute cronjob that does a flush
353: [04:20:44] <irogue> makes using the CMS not very fun
354: [04:20:44] <Colin[pi]> yeah I realise that question is redundant now that you've mentioned about the live mode thing
355: [04:20:48] <Colin[pi]> mm
356: [04:20:49] <Colin[pi]> :\
357: [04:21:32] <Colin[pi]> irogue: sounds like a not so easy fix?
358: [04:22:55] <irogue> quite
359: [04:23:02] <irogue> tho it didn't happen in 3.0
360: [04:23:29] <irogue> one fix might be if it knows a flush has happened it forces a full pageload instead of an xhr load
361: [04:23:40] <Colin[pi]> mm
362: [04:23:51] <Colin[pi]> bloody ajax :P
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364: [04:33:18] <irogue> so how about that new Wellington City Council marketing campaign
365: [04:33:19] <irogue> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CQrbBurU8AAbT_W.png:large
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367: [04:33:35] <irogue> someone obv heard their teenager use the term GC and didn't think to check what it stands for
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370: [04:34:58] <Colin[pi]> irogue: does it stand for what I think it stands for?
371: [04:35:18] <irogue> Colin[pi]: "good cunt"
372: [04:35:23] <Colin[pi]> it does then lol
373: [04:37:01] <spronk> who saw the surface book?
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376: [04:41:18] <irogue> yeah we briefly discussed it earlier
377: [04:42:23] <irogue> https://silverstripe.logged.nz/index.php?date=2015-10-06#log_1774912
378: [04:42:42] <irogue> 3 lines of discussion was all it really warranted :P
379: [04:43:23] <irogue> <Stomach> irogue we are looking for people too :(
380: [04:43:32] <irogue> missed that - make a tweet yo
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382: [04:46:41] <Stomach> irogue https://twitter.com/steviemayhew/status/651619602720362496
383: [04:48:02] <irogue> ta, have passed it on to Nicole
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392: [05:13:47] <Colin[pi]> irogue: heh that's funny, I noticed this same thing about the same time as kinglozzer but I forgot to report it :P https://github.com/silverstripe/silverstripe-framework/issues/4646
393: [05:17:09] <spronk> interesting
394: [05:17:14] <spronk> ms say it's a lot faster than air, and faster than mbpro
395: [05:17:21] <spronk> rumors its a gtx960m in the base
396: [05:18:06] <Colin[pi]> spronk: it's supposed to have pretty sweet hardware
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398: [05:24:39] <spronk> microsoft said it had "two extra processors" than the 13" mbp
399: [05:24:40] <spronk> so
400: [05:24:42] <spronk> its either quad core
401: [05:24:50] <spronk> or the base has a second CPU in it, which would be pretty rad
402: [05:33:52] <Colin[pi]> spronk: wait
403: [05:33:53] <Colin[pi]> like
404: [05:33:57] <Colin[pi]> you join it together
405: [05:34:00] <Colin[pi]> and it gets double the cp?
406: [05:34:03] <Colin[pi]> *cpu?
407: [05:34:05] <spronk> that'd be pwn
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409: [05:34:13] <Colin[pi]> that would be sweet
410: [05:34:13] <spronk> but i think it's just an egpu + battery in the base
411: [05:34:16] <Colin[pi]> ah k
412: [05:35:13] <spronk> still
413: [05:35:14] <spronk> its cool
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417: [06:00:55] <novaweb> wfff Fatal error: Allowed memory size of 134217728 bytes exhausted (tried to allocate 72 bytes) in /Users/joshkosmala/Sites/ero-scraper/framework/core/manifest/TokenisedRegularExpression.php on line 24
418: [06:01:14] <Colin[pi]> novaweb: lel
419: [06:01:19] <Colin[pi]> did you increase memory limits?
420: [06:01:23] <novaweb> whatd i duu
421: [06:01:31] <novaweb> I did but then removed them
422: [06:01:39] <novaweb> and restarted apache
423: [06:02:03] <novaweb> tips?
424: [06:02:08] <novaweb> god damn so close!
425: [06:08:26] <wmk> novaweb, ???
426: [06:08:45] <wmk> what's your memory limit? what did you do before you got this error?
427: [06:08:52] <wmk> did you upload any big images?
428: [06:09:01] <novaweb> wmk needed to increase memory limit to max to run a URL scraper (20,000 records)
429: [06:09:20] <novaweb> removed max limit to perform test
430: [06:09:25] <novaweb> now can't run dev/build
431: [06:09:29] <novaweb> or anything else
432: [06:09:37] <novaweb> have restarted php
433: [06:09:39] <wmk> sounds scary
434: [06:09:49] <novaweb> *apache
435: [06:10:13] <wmk> so - what are your settings? how much ram does the machine have? is load on the machine ok?
436: [06:10:36] <novaweb> Load is sweet
437: [06:10:42] <wmk> can't you split up the task to run the urlscraper more often with less urls?
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439: [06:10:52] <wmk> sounds like a good task for paralellism
440: [06:10:55] <novaweb> Yes
441: [06:11:09] <spronk> hmm
442: [06:11:13] <spronk> restart the machine
443: [06:11:27] <novaweb> I will once I actual run it, for now I just ran it over 20 results and want to inspect the output
444: [06:11:31] <novaweb> all good, back soon
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448: [06:17:43] <Mike123> Morning
449: [06:19:21] <wmk> ☺/ Mike123
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452: [06:20:40] <novaweb> Nooooo
453: [06:20:42] <novaweb> no worky
454: [06:21:27] <wmk> novaweb, so you have a huge table and on dev/build you need to change something there?
455: [06:21:38] <wmk> did you try dev/build in command line?
456: [06:21:56] <novaweb> Huge table?
457: [06:22:02] <Colin[pi]> wmk: he's scraping another site iirc
458: [06:31:47] <novaweb> Changing setting in php.ini fixed it
459: [06:33:40] <wmk> maybe you wasn't allowed to overwrite it in htaccess or ini_set()
460: [06:33:42] <Colin[pi]> novaweb: wewt
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468: [07:51:41] <cupcake> ola o/
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470: [08:01:31] <swaiba> cupcake \o buenos días
471: [08:04:55] <wmk> hi cupcake
472: [08:05:03] <wmk> cupcake, are you coming to london?
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477: [08:35:20] <kinglozzer> Quick one that I can never remember: can you have abstract DataObjects?
478: [08:35:28] <kinglozzer> My gut instinct says no
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480: [08:40:23] <Tanger> kinglozzer: I don't think so. I remember trying it a while ago, with no luck
481: [08:40:51] <kinglozzer> :(
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483: [09:10:44] <Pywvlmk> fuck you wednesday.
484: [09:10:52] <Pywvlmk> I thought you were gonna be better than tuesday
485: [09:11:12] <Pywvlmk> ola cupcake \o
486: [09:20:52] <swaiba> @Wednesday he doesn't mean it, everyone likes you really :)
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489: [09:25:51] <ss-helper> Re: [silverstripe-dev] Changing Pages ParentID in onBeforeWrite does not always work - https://groups.google.com/d/msg/silverstripe-dev/lwEgx7xc4rw/IU2XYtb3AQAJ
490: [09:25:51] <ss-helper> Re: [silverstripe-dev] Re: New core team member - https://groups.google.com/d/msg/silverstripe-dev/X9IIcQbC-pM/F4UTRnf3AQAJ
491: [09:25:51] <ss-helper> Re: [silverstripe-dev] Where to discuss what - https://groups.google.com/d/msg/silverstripe-dev/DeLEi8yl0ew/y2CeG273AQAJ
492: [09:26:43] <cupcake> wmk i wish but boss didn't approve
493: [09:26:47] <cupcake> mean boss
494: [09:27:04] <cupcake> maybe next time
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497: [09:34:31] <elgabbu> hello ... working on a new SS project ... i installed the widgets module
498: [09:34:51] <elgabbu> widget has a couple of Int fields
499: [09:35:14] <elgabbu> after saving the widget ... the fields don't show
500: [09:35:34] <elgabbu> i can see they are in the html but hidden inside a display none field
501: [09:40:20] <elgabbu> *display:none div
502: [09:48:24] <wmk> cupcake, :(
503: [09:48:35] <wmk> hopefully next time ;)
504: [09:49:46] <wmk> Pywvlmk, do some "week dividing with a pot-hot"
505: [09:50:21] <wmk> (which means celebrating middle-of-week with a hot saussage basically)
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508: [09:53:31] <cupcake> wmk... or maybe he changes his mind :P
509: [09:54:13] <wmk> or do yourself a favour
510: [09:55:19] <cupcake> what kind of favour? hehe
511: [10:00:13] <wmk> well, luckily i was able to convince my boss
512: [10:00:37] <wmk> so she stays at home with the cildren
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514: [10:05:36] <cupcake> lol
515: [10:05:53] <cupcake> well my boss is not my boyfriend he is the real boss haha
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525: [11:36:55] <wmk> my tests all pass! https://github.com/hmlb/phpunit-vw
526: [11:38:28] <kinglozzer> Heh, I saw that wmk - I completely missed the "VW" part of the joke when I first saw it :P
527: [11:38:43] <wmk> ;)
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529: [11:53:07] <elgabbu> problem i mentioned before seems to be somehow related to tabs ... the fieldlist output by CMSEditor function in Widget.php has a tab in it ... when this tab is rendered in the admin somehow it malfunctions and hides the fields ... question is why do we have a tab in the first place
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531: [12:10:03] <elgabbu> any easy way to extract all fields from ta tabset?
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536: [12:19:40] <swaiba> elgabbu $tab->Fields(); ?
537: [12:22:05] <elgabbu> swaiba thanks didn't need it tho ... regarding my problem i ended up changing the Widget.php getCMSFields ... basically its a copy and paste from DataObjects getCMSFields but im calling scaffoldFields with tabbed = false
538: [12:22:08] <swaiba> wmk u joker lol
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540: [12:24:03] <swaiba> elgabbu so you've configured teh default scaffoloding to avoid using tabs for everything?
541: [12:24:14] <swaiba> all the relationship gridfeilds are all in the one form?
542: [12:25:03] <elgabbu> swaiba only in widgets
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545: [12:49:45] <elgabbu> ok seems i was working on older version of the widgets module
546: [12:56:34] <Pywvlmk> cupcake: time to book annual leave?
547: [13:09:59] <Mike123> hey guys i am using Forum module , when i try to login to forum it redirects me to the standart SS login windows... i need to make this login form somewhere on the front or mby in pop-up window, any tips on how to do that ?
548: [13:22:43] <kinglozzer> "standard SS login windows"?
549: [13:22:51] <kinglozzer> I wasn't aware there were any?
550: [13:27:01] <Mike123> kinglozzer , sorry, SS standart login form :)
551: [13:27:35] <kinglozzer> Mike123: Same question, what do you mean "standard"? The default login form is just a form in Page.ss
552: [13:27:58] <cupcake> Pywvlmk guess so i need a holiday :D
553: [13:28:06] <cupcake> suggest somewhere nice :P
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555: [13:29:30] <Mike123> kinglozzer, well in other words, it redirects me to Login page, i need this form in my page ..
556: [13:30:02] <kinglozzer> Mike123: $LoginForm ?
557: [13:30:24] <Mike123> ok, and how do i style it ?
558: [13:30:41] <kinglozzer> Mike123: With CSS
559: [13:30:43] <kinglozzer> :P
560: [13:30:56] <Mike123> :D i mean i need to add my classes etc
561: [13:31:04] <kinglozzer> It has a unique ID that you can use to target it, adding classes etc is a pain
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563: [13:31:14] <Mike123> hmm
564: [13:31:18] <kinglozzer> It's *possible*, but frustratingly difficult
565: [13:32:19] <kinglozzer> http://tamethebackbutton.blogspot.co.uk/2009/09/customize-your-own-silverstripe-login.html
566: [13:32:32] <kinglozzer> That's an old article, but those are the rough steps
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568: [13:32:38] <kinglozzer> Easier to avoid it if possible :)
569: [13:32:45] <Mike123> thanks kinklozzer :) will try it out
570: [13:35:48] <Pywvlmk> wholey fucking shit that article is way over the top.
571: [13:35:52] <Pywvlmk> kinglozzer.
572: [13:36:12] <Pywvlmk> cupcake: London, next week! ;P
573: [13:37:01] <Pywvlmk> Mike123: you needent do anything except make a template.
574: [13:37:35] <Pywvlmk> It's still a faffon since you have to re-implement most of what is already existing.
575: [13:38:41] <Pywvlmk> although to do it just for the forum it might be a thing.
576: [13:38:46] <Pywvlmk> I've written about it in the past.
577: [13:38:57] <Pywvlmk> but I don't particularly remember from the top of my head sorry
578: [13:39:30] <muskie9> I think there's a module out there that does some of it... I just did this recently too... created a class that extended MemberLoginForm and used the injector to tell SS to use my new class
579: [13:39:56] <Mike123> hmm, need to google more then
580: [13:40:39] <muskie9> this may have been the module, it was more of a starting point as it didn't work quite the way I needed it to: https://github.com/axyr/silverstripe-adminlogin
581: [13:41:22] <ss-helper> Re: [silverstripe-dev] Changing Pages ParentID in onBeforeWrite does not always work - https://groups.google.com/d/msg/silverstripe-dev/lwEgx7xc4rw/k_t1PHgFAgAJ
582: [13:41:42] <swaiba> +1 for https://github.com/axyr/silverstripe-adminlogin
583: [13:45:00] <Mike123> swaiba, but as i understand i can create only one template yes ?
584: [13:48:51] <swaiba> one for customers, one for admins
585: [13:49:27] <swaiba> i.e. it shows how to have more than one, so adding a third for user type x should be discernable from there
586: [13:56:24] <ss-helper> Re: [silverstripe-dev] Changing Pages ParentID in onBeforeWrite does not always work - https://groups.google.com/d/msg/silverstripe-dev/lwEgx7xc4rw/a47FPDcGAgAJ
587: [14:05:20] <Pywvlmk> muskie9: again though, the module goes way in the deep end.
588: [14:05:26] <Pywvlmk> around the houses, as one might say.
589: [14:07:04] <Pywvlmk> although as above, it really depends on what you're trying to do.
590: [14:07:13] <Pywvlmk> in Mike123's case, it might just be easiest.
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593: [14:22:04] <muskie9> Pywvlmk I agree, it was one of those scenarios where another agency did the design and had extra stuff in the login form, they pretty much added extra stuff to any default SS form in the member/Security system
594: [14:24:38] <Mike123> now i have some strange problem :D really strange , i have page like project.com/auction and i have folder in root also named "aukction" i need somehow to make it open the Page not the folder
595: [14:24:39] <cupcake> Pywvlmk didnt rsvps close now?
596: [14:24:44] <Mike123> what are possible solutions
597: [14:25:00] <Mike123> P.S i cannot chnage name of the page url or folder name :)
598: [14:25:54] <Mike123> sorry for mistype , both folder and page are name "auction"
599: [14:26:21] <slievr> how would I go about extending director? I would like to add a function along the same lines of forceWWW but will also make sure there is a trailing slash
600: [14:35:45] <kinglozzer> cupcake: I think they did close on the meetup page, but I'm sure if you email one of the organisers it would be okay
601: [14:35:49] <kinglozzer> But you might not get fed :P
602: [14:36:38] <kinglozzer> slievr: You can't, everything in Director is static methods and you can't use static methods with extensions
603: [14:36:50] <kinglozzer> Best solved at a server-level if possible (much faster)
604: [14:37:02] <kinglozzer> i.e. .htaccess
605: [14:37:40] <swaiba> cupcake [puts on best Pywvlmk impersonation] it closed, but joel sent out messages saying if you still want to come message him
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607: [14:38:49] <slievr> kinglozzer, thx to htaccess I go
608: [14:42:15] <Mike123> anyone help me ? :D
609: [14:42:25] <cupcake> swaiba kinglozzer thanks for your response
610: [14:42:39] <cupcake> if not this time it will be another time :)
611: [14:42:49] <cupcake> if i'll still be working on ss :P
612: [14:43:16] <GioVdK> Hello, when defining a "has_one" relation (e.g. 'Item' => 'Item'), the foreign key id (e.g. ItemID) the field is created as not null default 0. Would it be possible to have it nullable ?
613: [14:43:44] <swaiba> well the more the merrier if you can make it cupcake :)
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620: [15:06:13] <cupcake> thanks swaiba :)
621: [15:11:30] <ss-helper> Re: Where to discuss what - https://groups.google.com/d/msg/silverstripe-dev/DeLEi8yl0ew/vRE06HQKAgAJ
622: [15:15:10] <elgabbu> any standards regarding where widgets should be placed within /site/code?
623: [15:15:34] <swaiba> elgabbu no idea, but I'd use a popular widgeting system
624: [15:16:02] <swaiba> and remember V4 will support code blocks stuff :)
625: [15:16:28] <muskie9> elgabbu I usually organize my code dir base on object type... /project/code/pages, /project/code/dataobjects, etc
626: [15:17:18] <elgabbu> yeah i was going for /site/code/widgets
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628: [15:19:34] <r3v3rb> anyone used: https://github.com/silverstripe-labs/silverstripe-crontask
629: [15:22:09] <swaiba> r3v3rb - we are in final staging of using it yes (not live yet)
630: [15:22:23] <r3v3rb> swaiba: you have it working okay?
631: [15:22:31] <kinglozzer> r3v3rb:
632: [15:22:33] <kinglozzer> oops
633: [15:22:37] <r3v3rb> kinglozzer: :D
634: [15:22:55] <swaiba> well, we don't like it as much as our version, but it's a requirement of using Platform
635: [15:23:04] <kinglozzer> swaiba/r3v3rb: I don't get it, what does it do that cron tasks don't? :/
636: [15:23:06] <swaiba> so we are asking for changes to make it easier to extend
637: [15:23:18] <swaiba> kinglozzer it does the same stuff
638: [15:23:21] <r3v3rb> kinglozzer: not bloody much in my mind ;)
639: [15:23:39] <kinglozzer> swaiba: so... why? :P
640: [15:23:39] <swaiba> but as V2 had a totally ineffective task scheduleig we have our own
641: [15:23:42] <r3v3rb> needs things like addittional db structure to hold crontab settings etc
642: [15:24:04] <kinglozzer> Oh, so you create user-editable DataObjects etc?
643: [15:24:05] <swaiba> it's about joining them together easily
644: [15:24:28] <swaiba> we have a DataObject for each cron and a system for running them
645: [15:24:30] <r3v3rb> kinglozzer: it would have been nice if it actually setup the cron tab and fired events but I’ve yet to get that working !
646: [15:25:04] <swaiba> and of course our code is nicer [the beholder said looking though his eyes]
647: [15:25:07] <r3v3rb> hitting sake dev/cron does nothing here in dev or on live server
648: [15:25:14] <r3v3rb> :(
649: [15:25:19] <r3v3rb> maybe its me again
650: [15:25:24] <r3v3rb> just my luck!
651: [15:39:13] <NETim> Why is my dev/build not going anywhere?
652: [15:42:56] <r3v3rb> any idea which crontab the jobs get added too?
653: [15:43:51] <r3v3rb> or do I just add the dev/cron to crontab and then leave it to decide which jobs are betting processed swaiba
654: [15:43:59] <r3v3rb> being*
655: [15:44:01] <kinglozzer> r3v3rb: Yeah I think you add dev/cron
656: [15:44:08] <r3v3rb> kinglozzer: makes sense
657: [15:44:15] <kinglozzer> I can't see anything in there that adds to your crontab
658: [15:44:16] <r3v3rb> documentation is a bit poor
659: [15:44:20] <r3v3rb> me either
660: [15:44:30] <kinglozzer> I guess you add it once a minute? idk
661: [15:44:31] <r3v3rb> and I would say thats dangerous
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664: [16:16:37] <kinglozzer> Hey JonoM :)
665: [16:16:45] <JonoM> Hey man
666: [16:17:00] <JonoM> Thought I would give this IRC thing a try
667: [16:17:29] <r3v3rb> i’m beginning to think just adding individual tasks will be easier on server than getting dev/cron to work… dev environment is working but not live server
668: [16:18:00] <r3v3rb> JonoM: welcome
669: [16:18:10] <JonoM> Ta
670: [16:18:21] <kinglozzer> r3v3rb: Yeah probably easier
671: [16:18:27] <kinglozzer> I didn't even know that module existed :P
672: [16:18:53] <r3v3rb> works on dev station here, but jeez will it output anything on the server - NOPE
673: [16:19:03] <r3v3rb> JonoM: your welcome
674: [16:20:15] <kinglozzer> r3v3rb: I always seem to have trouble with sake when deploying... so I just give up and "php framework/cli-script" instead
675: [16:23:33] <swaiba> Just before I head off, just like to also welcome JonoM - congrats on becoming code coder :)
676: [16:24:01] <JonoM> Thanks swaiba :)
677: [16:24:20] <kinglozzer> JonoM: You're NZ, right? You're up early!
678: [16:24:29] * swaiba quit (Remote host closed the connection)
679: [16:25:06] <kinglozzer> Or AU?
680: [16:25:44] <JonoM> kinglozzer: Nope I'm in Canada! But my ancient website and avatars would suggest AU
681: [16:26:33] <kinglozzer> Oh awesome! Another timezone added to the team ;D
682: [16:27:13] <JonoM> Yeah it works out well for me actually - you UK guys are around in my morning then I get the NZ guys in the afternoon
683: [16:28:22] <r3v3rb> kinglozzer: i’m using cli-script same shit ...
684: [16:28:24] <kinglozzer> Heh, we have to stay up late or get up early to catch the NZ guys :(
685: [16:28:29] <muskie9> JonoM congrats! and what timezone?
686: [16:28:52] <r3v3rb> code coder? wtf?
687: [16:29:19] <kinglozzer> lol r3v3rb
688: [16:29:29] <kinglozzer> I also wondered
689: [16:29:48] <r3v3rb> kinglozzer: one for nex week...
690: [16:29:51] <r3v3rb> t*
691: [16:30:09] <kinglozzer> Oh crap I keep forgetting about that
692: [16:30:18] <kinglozzer> *really* gotta get my shit together and do my presentation
693: [16:30:31] <JonoM> Haha 'core coder'. Timezone is Pacific UTC-08:00
694: [16:30:39] * r3v3rb presents how to fuck an install up in three steps:
695: [16:30:47] <r3v3rb> 1. install using .zip
696: [16:30:59] <r3v3rb> 2. add shit using composer “dev/master"
697: [16:31:10] <muskie9> nice! Central UTC -6:00 in the US
698: [16:31:19] <r3v3rb> 3. inadvertently delete fra,ework when upgrading client site :D
699: [16:31:25] <r3v3rb> m*
700: [16:31:48] <r3v3rb> guaranteed success in mashing up an install/build
701: [16:32:23] <kinglozzer> r3v3rb: NEVER dev-master!
702: [16:32:27] <kinglozzer> :P
703: [16:32:37] <kinglozzer> If you must, dev-master#commithash is a life-saver <3
704: [16:32:38] <r3v3rb> every composer is dev/master here :D
705: [16:32:53] * r3v3rb living on da edge!
706: [16:33:00] <kinglozzer> the bleeding edge ;)
707: [16:33:11] <kinglozzer> Anyways, home time for me now too
708: [16:33:15] <kinglozzer> ciao all!
709: [16:33:20] <r3v3rb> usually the ‘oh fuck revert revert revert’ edge
710: [16:33:21] <JonoM> Catcha
711: [16:33:29] <r3v3rb> au revoir kinglozzer
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713: [16:34:47] * r3v3rb wants his mummy
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715: [16:41:36] <ss-helper> Re: Where to discuss what - https://groups.google.com/d/msg/silverstripe-dev/DeLEi8yl0ew/PHfyNdgPAgAJ
716: [16:51:23] * terryapodaca has joined #silverstripe
717: [16:51:52] <terryapodaca> A friend of mine that's just getting into SilverStripe asked me...
718: [16:52:09] <terryapodaca> what is the _ss_environment.php file for?
719: [16:52:20] <terryapodaca> I told him that it's usually removed after install
720: [16:52:37] <terryapodaca> but I googled it, and it sounds like a lot of people are still using it?
721: [16:52:47] <Zauberfisch> removed after install?
722: [16:52:51] <muskie9> it allows you to keep your db credentials outside of the site root if
723: [16:52:57] <Zauberfisch> no, this file is not directly related to the install
724: [16:53:13] <muskie9> and allows you to set env variables
725: [16:53:14] <Zauberfisch> it's an alternative, better way to configure your silverstripe instance
726: [16:53:19] <muskie9> ^
727: [16:53:25] <muskie9> better said Zauberfisch lol
728: [16:53:27] <Zauberfisch> because it can be outside of you silversrtripe folder
729: [16:54:15] <Zauberfisch> for example, when I develop a site, it will run at least on 3 machines. my local dev VM, a staging/testing server and the live server
730: [16:54:49] <Zauberfisch> I would go crazy if I have to edit the /mysite/_config.php file every time I deploy.
731: [16:55:11] <Zauberfisch> of course you could also have all 3 in there and make some logic that figures it out. but why should you when there is a better way
732: [16:55:46] <Zauberfisch> also, mysite/_config.php is usually in git (or any other vcs). but you should not put your database password into git
733: [16:56:22] <Zauberfisch> _ss_env file is great, I actually know very little people that don't use it
734: [16:56:43] <Zauberfisch> https://docs.silverstripe.org/en/3.1/getting_started/environment_management/
735: [16:57:07] <terryapodaca> I used it back when I was moving SS from Windows hosting to Dreamhost
736: [16:57:18] <terryapodaca> but for some reason I thought it was old practice
737: [16:57:28] <Zauberfisch> no, not at all
738: [16:57:46] <Zauberfisch> also, it is not created by default for some reason. you have to create that file yourself
739: [16:58:09] <terryapodaca> in old versions of SS it was created automatically
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741: [16:58:20] <Zauberfisch> it was?
742: [16:58:23] <terryapodaca> or at least it was a file already provided
743: [16:58:28] <Zauberfisch> that's odd
744: [16:58:29] <muskie9> I don't remember that in 2.4
745: [16:58:35] <Zauberfisch> me neither
746: [16:58:47] <terryapodaca> because I never had to manually create it...
747: [16:59:04] <Zauberfisch> also, would have been really silly to move from _ss_environment.php to putting env config into mysite/
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749: [16:59:25] <Zauberfisch> anyway, I have to leave now.
750: [16:59:28] <terryapodaca> maybe it was a built in thing, SS ran checks on the environment it was being installed on
751: [16:59:34] <Zauberfisch> bye
752: [16:59:41] <terryapodaca> and if it was a Windows based host, it created that file
753: [16:59:51] <terryapodaca> later Zauberfisch
754: [16:59:56] <muskie9> that could be terryapodaca
755: [17:00:28] <Zauberfisch> ah, have you maybe installed it on windows using that weird windows web package manager?
756: [17:00:57] <terryapodaca> back then I had to have my server guys install it
757: [17:01:00] <terryapodaca> so maybe
758: [17:01:14] <Zauberfisch> that probably did that
759: [17:01:20] <terryapodaca> they were so anal about their servers they wouldn't let us touch them until they had it installed
760: [17:01:48] <terryapodaca> ok, so now that I know better, I'll read those documents and start using it
761: [17:02:05] <terryapodaca> I also need to figure out how to start using composer too
762: [17:02:07] <terryapodaca> :(
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765: [17:03:46] <darjus01> Hi all maibe some knowes why i geting error on leftjoin siteree: http://www.sspaste.com/paste/show/5615504a0d653
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767: [17:08:57] <JonoM> darjus01: I think what you are doing there can be written just as ProductionPage::get()->filter('ParentID', 0)
768: [17:11:45] <darjus01> thx works
769: [17:14:00] <terryapodaca> wtf...3.1.15 is now out in place of 3.1.14?
770: [17:14:09] <terryapodaca> sheesh, make up your mind SS
771: [17:14:31] <muskie9> terryapodaca ya, for a week or two now... I think it was an installer issue in 3.1.14 so was a quick release
772: [17:15:07] <terryapodaca> muskie9: yeah, it's been about 3 weeks since I had to install ss
773: [17:15:22] <terryapodaca> makes sense if 3.1.14 had a bug
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776: [17:41:43] <wmk> gmorning Stomach
777: [17:42:40] <Stomach> good morning
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782: [17:54:52] <terryapodaca> https://docs.silverstripe.org/en/3.1/ <-- the Table of contents and it's little dropdown functionality, does anyone know what that is? If it's a jQuery thing or some other stand alone JS goodness?
783: [17:55:09] <terryapodaca> I ask because a client saw it and has requested it on one of their pages
784: [17:56:42] <ss-helper> Re: [silverstripe-dev] Re: New core team member - https://groups.google.com/d/msg/silverstripe-dev/X9IIcQbC-pM/5BFZ3RYTAgAJ
785: [17:57:09] <Stomach> terryapodaca - https://docs.silverstripe.org/docsviewer/javascript/DocumentationViewer.js?m=1437611904
786: [17:57:29] <Stomach> its just animation, could do it with jquery like they have or vanilla js and velocity or anything
787: [18:02:28] * Werner_2_ is now known as wmk
788: [18:07:46] <Zauberfisch> terryapodaca: composer is easy
789: [18:08:18] <Zauberfisch> terryapodaca: the easiest way to start is to just get a composer.json file and just run composer update
790: [18:08:34] <Zauberfisch> there are commands for a lot of other things
791: [18:08:42] <Zauberfisch> but the one you need to remember is "composer update"
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793: [18:18:08] <terryapodaca> Zauberfisch: can I start/experiment with composer on my local machine?
794: [18:18:43] <terryapodaca> also, does Dreamhost support command line control? because isn't composer basic command prompt?
795: [18:19:34] <wmk> terryapodaca, yup.
796: [18:19:39] <wmk> local machine is fine
797: [18:19:47] <Zauberfisch> terryapodaca: yes, you can use composer just local aswell and still use ftp
798: [18:20:00] <wmk> i install locally on windows, and run locally on a vagrant vm (shared folder)
799: [18:20:11] <wmk> run the code...
800: [18:20:40] <wmk> Zauberfisch, but with ftp you need to remember what has changed... when updating modules it can be a pain
801: [18:20:57] <wmk> or does phpstorm's ftp deploy take care of that?
802: [18:22:47] <Zauberfisch> I am just saying you can do it
803: [18:23:06] <wmk> ;)
804: [18:23:21] * slievr quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
805: [18:23:26] <terryapodaca> well, I don't want every single project to always stay on my local machine
806: [18:23:45] <Zauberfisch> of course using ftp is not good, but it is possible
807: [18:23:51] <terryapodaca> i usually develop locally and then upload it all to Dreamhost
808: [18:23:57] <Zauberfisch> same here
809: [18:24:25] <Zauberfisch> I use composer locally and on the server
810: [18:24:29] <terryapodaca> so you do run your composer locally
811: [18:24:32] <Zauberfisch> I ssh to the server, and then run composer
812: [18:24:52] <terryapodaca> i need to see if I have SSH access to my server
813: [18:24:52] <Zauberfisch> yeah. so if i install a new module, I just upload the composer.json and then run composer update on the server
814: [18:26:43] <ss-helper> Re: [silverstripe-dev] Re: New core team member - https://groups.google.com/d/msg/silverstripe-dev/X9IIcQbC-pM/ZOu2jlYVAgAJ
815: [18:27:59] <terryapodaca> ugh...
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817: [18:29:58] <muskie9> terryapodaca do you use shared hosting or vps/dedicated for Dreamhost? we have a vps and I think we have access
818: [18:30:43] <terryapodaca> muskie9: we just got VPS (non dedicated) last month because the usual shared hosting got super slow for Silverstripe
819: [18:31:34] <terryapodaca> I think what I'll do is pull down a brand new install of silverstripe on my local machine and composer and just get use to it first
820: [18:32:04] <terryapodaca> slowly installing common modules we use and update/load the composer.json files like Zauberfisch said
821: [18:32:22] <terryapodaca> and once I get comfortable with my local machine I'll try on the VPS
822: [18:32:35] <muskie9> not a bad plan
823: [18:35:21] <terryapodaca> since it seems like eventually (sooner than later) Silverstripe will be fully dependent on composer and us old-timers that like to simply download zip files and upload via ftp everything
824: [18:35:21] <terryapodaca> :p
825: [18:42:35] * zlinux quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
826: [18:43:31] <terryapodaca> =-O http://youmightnotneedjquery.com/
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830: [18:52:36] <wmk> JonoM, ☺/
831: [18:52:39] <wmk> congrats ;)
832: [18:53:59] <terryapodaca> ?
833: [18:59:49] * Stomach has joined #silverstripe
834: [18:59:55] <JonoM> wmk: Thanks :)
835: [19:04:36] <Stomach> wooo JonoM is now IRC :D
836: [19:04:40] <Stomach> <--- Stevie
837: [19:05:18] <JonoM> Oh hey Stevie! I'm giving it a try... I don't know how anyone gets any work done with this thing running :P
838: [19:05:32] <Stomach> you learn to ignore it for large periods of time
839: [19:05:52] <terryapodaca> a lot of times when I am working I have two TVs on in my office/man cave...one is turned on to shows I DVR so I can keep up (so to speak since I don't always pay attention)
840: [19:06:30] <terryapodaca> The other one is set on a full HD Channel that shows cool images/video of nature/cityscapes/science/etc
841: [19:07:19] <JonoM> Yikes I could never do that
842: [19:07:21] <terryapodaca> JonoM: or you set the "ping" sound when someone says your name and only check it eveyr so often
843: [19:08:08] <terryapodaca> Anyway, for the last 20 minutes I've been watching scenes showcasing New Zealand...just thought that was cool
844: [19:08:16] <JonoM> I think that's what's happening by default... using the 'Textual' client
845: [19:11:19] <muskie9> my dev setup: http://puu.sh/kBZ5D/af0df6a332.jpg
846: [19:12:07] <muskie9> I wanna get that left monitor mounted verticle
847: [19:12:41] <Sphere> Only 4 monitors? I are dissappoint
848: [19:12:50] <Sphere> A macbook? I are even more dissappointed
849: [19:13:09] <terryapodaca> what's wrong with the Macbook?
850: [19:13:19] <muskie9> I have a pc under the desk connected to the right center monitor... wanna get ubuntu on there
851: [19:13:28] <Sphere> It's a macbook?
852: [19:13:39] <Sphere> OSX is evil.
853: [19:13:49] * Sphere orders another Surface Book just to be sure.
854: [19:13:57] <terryapodaca> I love all my Macbook
855: [19:14:18] <Sphere> I love the hardware in my macbook, I hate the OS.
856: [19:14:22] <terryapodaca> and my ipad, iphone, apple tv, and other apple devices
857: [19:14:31] <muskie9> OSX isn't all that bad, I like it more than windows... partitioned to try el capitan, dashbrew's not playing nice though
858: [19:14:57] <muskie9> still wanna give ubuntu a sporting chance
859: [19:15:10] <terryapodaca> I do a ton of Windows development though, C#/ASP.net MVC, etc...so my "main" machine is of course Windows
860: [19:15:11] <Sphere> I'm not a fan of OSX. It's just.... not my thing.
861: [19:15:34] <Sphere> I'll have a windows machine over any OSX device anytime
862: [19:17:13] <terryapodaca> I do have another machine (rarely used) that is Windows 7 still, and I used Wubi to install Ubuntu so I can dual boot much more simply
863: [19:17:28] <terryapodaca> but the processor on that machine is a bit too old for these days
864: [19:17:59] <terryapodaca> Curious to see what Windows 10 is all about...since it's free
865: [19:18:11] <Sphere> Win10 is awesome.
866: [19:18:18] <Sphere> As in.... rainbow-drooling-awesome.
867: [19:18:40] <terryapodaca> you need to gif that phrase
868: [19:19:10] <Sphere> https://pbs.twimg.com/tweet_video/CQvIfl_UEAAWwOI.mp4
869: [19:19:13] <Sphere> Step 1
870: [19:21:26] <muskie9> http://puu.sh/kBZNg/fa7251d6ab.gif
871: [19:21:33] <muskie9> something like that
872: [19:21:42] <Sphere> Jep :D
873: [19:22:06] <muskie9> coulda chicken butt'd there ;P
874: [19:22:11] <Sphere> I need it. For reasons.
875: [19:22:48] <Sphere> Any admin online?
876: [19:23:01] <Sphere> The EU conf url should be changed to https://stripecon.eu
877: [19:23:15] <terryapodaca> hahahahaha!!!!
878: [19:23:34] <Sphere> Eh?
879: [19:23:47] * Sphere is confused by the laughter
880: [19:23:55] <terryapodaca> the gif from muskie9
881: [19:24:00] <terryapodaca> sorry, it was a delayed laugh
882: [19:24:18] <Sphere> Haha... yeah, it's late I guess :P
883: [19:24:25] <terryapodaca> like JonoM said, this IRC thing can end up taking a lot of time if not careful
884: [19:24:55] <Sphere> Ow, did I show you guys my kiwi-training-progress?
885: [19:25:12] <terryapodaca> I haven't seen it
886: [19:25:16] <Sphere> I even got a sheep now! http://imgur.com/a/nif60
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891: [19:29:25] <terryapodaca> Sphere: How's the Dodge fund going...and surely you'll do what ever it takes to get him to NZ too
892: [19:30:12] <terryapodaca> btw, don't you have 2 kitties that need to be moved to NZ?
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894: [19:30:49] <antmas> mernin erl o/
895: [19:31:13] <antmas> Stomach: I see you guys are advertising work?
896: [19:31:24] <Sphere> terryapodaca: Yes, I have two cats, but Tesla (the black one), will be moved to a good, well-known and friendly home close to where I live right now.
897: [19:31:27] <Stomach> hey antmas \o
898: [19:31:35] <Stomach> we are indeed
899: [19:31:44] <antmas> Stomach: no chance of remote? :D
900: [19:31:47] <antmas> prolly not
901: [19:31:49] <Stomach> nah :(
902: [19:31:50] * antmas cries internally
903: [19:32:00] <Stomach> lol
904: [19:32:02] <Stomach> sorry buddy
905: [19:32:16] <Sphere> To be honest, I would try to take her with me as well, but I trust her new servant fully, so... that's why it's only Dodge I want to take with me. Because... well, I've had Dodge for almost 10 years now :)
906: [19:32:50] <antmas> Stomach: lol all good :D
907: [19:33:27] <wmk> Sphere, you're moving to saarland?
908: [19:34:24] <Sphere> What's "saarland"?
909: [19:34:30] <terryapodaca> Sphere: I understand, I took in my mom's two cats when she moved to Alaska in July, and honestly I think they are happier here with me
910: [19:34:31] <terryapodaca> haha
911: [19:34:51] <antmas> lol I could not imagine a cat enjoying Alaska
912: [19:35:03] <Sphere> It would require a lot of fur :P
913: [19:35:04] <wmk> well, a region in Germany with special relations to sheeps (others say about it)
914: [19:35:15] <Sphere> Owwww, hah, no!
915: [19:35:23] <Sphere> I'm moving to New Zealand ;)
916: [19:35:31] <Stomach> neat!
917: [19:35:36] <wmk> Nusi land?
918: [19:35:42] <antmas> Sphere: you heading to SS NZ?
919: [19:36:07] <Sphere> antmas: Well, to be honest, I kinda did sign a contract with both Sam Minnee's name and mine on it... ;)
920: [19:36:26] <antmas> Sphere: awwww yissss, congrats :D
921: [19:36:33] <DanaeNZ> Get in losers, we're going shopping.
922: [19:37:22] <Sphere> I was actually planning on going to bed soon DanaeNZ
923: [19:37:22] <Sphere> antmas: thanks :)
924: [19:37:29] <DanaeNZ> haha
925: [19:37:51] <Sphere> Maybe january, ok? I'll buy the beer, you fix the meat :D
926: [19:38:42] <antmas> Sphere: I was looking at heading there too, but turns out I can't leave Nelson :P (Not just yet anyway)
927: [19:38:46] <Stomach> Sphere - developer role or something else?
928: [19:39:02] <Sphere> Stomach: Developer at first, yeah.
929: [19:39:11] <Sphere> It's the "starter" position :)
930: [19:39:22] <Sphere> and I'm fine with that, we'll see where I can grow from there :)
931: [19:39:27] <Stomach> awesome
932: [19:39:43] <Stomach> SS is great, everyone I know who works there loves it
933: [19:39:51] <Stomach> really good environment to learn
934: [19:39:53] <antmas> mm I heard the same thing
935: [19:40:31] <antmas> it also gives you +5 mocking priveleges to ss23 :D
936: [19:40:39] <terryapodaca> lol
937: [19:41:05] <antmas> and -5 to clients who lurk in here :P
938: [19:41:11] <Sphere> Well, I know Sam, and a bunch of other guys at SS, and from what I've heard, The only downside is, it's slightly far away for me, but hey, why not just do it? :D
939: [19:41:19] <Sphere> Ow yes, for all questions you have: http://casa-laguna.net/all-the-news/show/frequently-asked-questions
940: [19:42:11] <antmas> lol
941: [19:42:32] <antmas> I know someone who bought a dog over here, costed them like $7000 :|
942: [19:43:00] <Sphere> Errr, that has to be some spceific dog, not a cross-breed dog I guess?
943: [19:43:15] <antmas> it was a 50/50 breed
944: [19:43:28] <antmas> wait
945: [19:43:29] <Sphere> A shelter-dog is usually just under 100 if I'm not mistaken.
946: [19:43:37] <antmas> no, that was 2 dogs
947: [19:43:46] <antmas> $3500 each from London to NZ
948: [19:43:51] <Sphere> Still expensive! :O
949: [19:43:58] <antmas> yeah dude
950: [19:44:22] <Stomach> ouch
951: [19:44:34] <Sphere> brb
952: [19:44:50] <antmas> I don't really get why specific breeds would cost more/less
953: [19:44:55] <antmas> they're still just dogs
954: [19:45:39] <Stomach> because they are harder to keep thoroughbred
955: [19:45:46] <Stomach> my uncle breeds german shephards
956: [19:46:06] <Stomach> they spend thousands of dollars on sending breeding stock around the world to try and make sure they aren't all cousins
957: [19:46:09] <antmas> no I mean why it's more expensive to transport them
958: [19:46:17] <Stomach> oh lol
959: [19:46:28] <Stomach> bigger and smaller? :P
960: [19:46:29] <antmas> Stomach: and my Dad used to breed Dobermans :O
961: [19:46:41] <Stomach> can fit 2 poodles or one big poodle?
962: [19:46:49] <antmas> :P
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965: [19:48:43] <terryapodaca> Dobermans are the worst breed ever
966: [19:48:47] <terryapodaca> sorry antmas
967: [19:48:53] <terryapodaca> My uncle use to breed them too
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969: [19:49:16] <helenclarko> Morning o/
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971: [19:49:34] <chocolatemoose> o/
972: [19:54:44] <terryapodaca> yuck, it's getting cloudy and cold
973: [19:55:03] <terryapodaca> wait, what...I live in Texas and already complaining about Fall weather
974: [19:55:37] <antmas> it's warming up here quite a bit :D
975: [19:55:52] <terryapodaca> where's here?
976: [19:56:48] <antmas> Nelson, NZ :D
977: [19:57:01] <antmas> 21c high, 10c low
978: [19:57:22] <chocolatemoose> warmer than Auckland today :(
979: [19:57:25] <antmas> compared to like 2 weeks ago, that's like a 2x improvement :P
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981: [19:58:44] <adrexia> <terryapodaca>
982: [19:58:44] <adrexia> yuck, it's getting cloudy and cold
983: [19:58:51] <adrexia> wet here
984: [19:59:02] <adrexia> not very cold though
985: [19:59:28] <terryapodaca> antmas: yeah, that's what happens on the other side of the earth
986: [19:59:59] <terryapodaca> well, adrexia, I am use to it being in the 90s, sometimes it can be above 100 here
987: [20:00:32] <terryapodaca> so when I say cold, I mean, it's in the 70s during the day and drops into the 60s at night
988: [20:00:33] <adrexia> that's over 32 celsius
989: [20:00:35] <adrexia> wow.
990: [20:00:42] <adrexia> thta'd just be uncomfortable
991: [20:01:02] <adrexia> lol
992: [20:01:18] <chocolatemoose> mid 30s is the perfect weather imo
993: [20:01:19] <terryapodaca> yep, and on top of the heat, it's usually 50
994: [20:01:20] <adrexia> so - what antmas is saying it warm for Nelson
995: [20:01:41] <terryapodaca> sorry, that was suppose to say: usually 50
996: [20:01:44] <terryapodaca> damn it
997: [20:01:53] <terryapodaca> 50% plus humidity too
998: [20:02:02] <adrexia> ewww
999: [20:02:14] <adrexia> Texas is not for me
1000: [20:02:22] <adrexia> San Diego was nice though
1001: [20:02:30] <adrexia> I could live with those tempuratures
1002: [20:02:55] <terryapodaca> you would eventually get use to it
1003: [20:03:21] <terryapodaca> it does suck, but when the Fall comes around, it's rather nice
1004: [20:03:39] <terryapodaca> chocolatemoose: I forget, you in WI?
1005: [20:04:02] <chocolatemoose> I'm in Auckland, but I'm from Saskatoon, Canada
1006: [20:04:17] <terryapodaca> ahhh, close to WI, lol
1007: [20:04:19] <muskie9> weather here goes winter, less winter, summer, almost winter, winter lol
1008: [20:04:33] <muskie9> damn mid-west
1009: [20:04:48] <helenclarko> chocolatemoose, explains all the neature walk talk!
1010: [20:04:48] <chocolatemoose> muskie9: Saskatoon is Winter -> Summer -> Winter
1011: [20:05:27] <chocolatemoose> going from -50 with windchill in the heart of winter to 30+ in the summer is interesting
1012: [20:05:47] <terryapodaca> Texas is weird, it's Summer -> Less Summer -> WINTER -> Summer
1013: [20:05:54] <helenclarko> like 20 degrees overnight too.
1014: [20:06:02] <muskie9> chocolatemoose damn! you're a ways up there!
1015: [20:06:20] <chocolatemoose> http://www.saskwatchstorage.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/SaskWatch-Storage-Moose-Jaw-mini-storage.png an actual weather forecast one day
1016: [20:06:34] <Stomach> chocolatemoose - should come to the SS meetup!
1017: [20:06:47] <chocolatemoose> when / where?
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1020: [20:18:04] <Stomach> chocolatemoose - http://www.meetup.com/SilverStripe-Auckland/events/225710694/
1021: [20:19:20] <helenclarko> chocolatemoose, Canadian McDonalds make a great poutine. Whow would have thought.
1022: [20:19:30] <chocolatemoose> you think so?
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1024: [20:19:42] <chocolatemoose> I wasn't a fan
1025: [20:20:00] <helenclarko> For McDonalds though.
1026: [20:20:06] <helenclarko> Not bad.
1027: [20:20:11] <chocolatemoose> oh yeah, one of the better fast food poutines
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1029: [20:22:24] <helenclarko> chocolatemoose, Know of Webbers?
1030: [20:22:50] <chocolatemoose> can't say I do
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1032: [20:24:06] <helenclarko> Nevermind then, Its a sweet burger place on the way out to oshawa.
1033: [20:24:24] <chocolatemoose> I haven't been further east than Manitoba, unfortunately
1034: [20:24:30] <chocolatemoose> other than flying through Toronto
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1036: [20:25:38] <helenclarko> I was in Toronto for basically 3 weeks, so I'm not that clued up on locations to be honest. I'll have a year there from February next year though.
1037: [20:25:48] <chocolatemoose> only a year?
1038: [20:25:57] <helenclarko> Working holiday.
1039: [20:26:00] <chocolatemoose> ah
1040: [20:26:40] <chocolatemoose> they switched it to 23 months now eh?
1041: [20:26:53] <chocolatemoose> (same with Canadians coming to NZ)
1042: [20:27:10] <helenclarko> But it gives me and my fiance a chance to decide where we want to live. Gets me prepared for the cold if we choose to live in Canada.
1043: [20:27:28] <chocolatemoose> that's kind of the situation I'm in now
1044: [20:27:34] <helenclarko> chocolatemoose, GOD DAMNIT!
1045: [20:27:45] <helenclarko> chocolatemoose, I guess I missed out on that.
1046: [20:27:51] <chocolatemoose> nope, I think you can extend it
1047: [20:28:13] <helenclarko> I'll have to look into that.
1048: [20:28:43] <helenclarko> Is that a deal in part of this TPPA?
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1050: [20:28:59] <chocolatemoose> gf already used up her two years in Canada, so now we're here in NZ, but we still haven't decided between here, Canada or England
1051: [20:29:06] <chocolatemoose> don't think so
1052: [20:29:40] <chocolatemoose> I think they are just bringing it in line with their agreement with the UK (and a few other countries)
1053: [20:30:32] <helenclarko> Yea, UK has a huge time allowence for working holidays.
1054: [20:31:10] <chocolatemoose> yeah, I used mine there already too :(
1055: [20:31:21] <chocolatemoose> making it trickier for us to pick a place to stay
1056: [20:32:43] <helenclarko> Haha yea, I was a little shocked at the size and pace of Toronto city. Thats going to take awhile to adjust to.
1057: [20:33:41] <chocolatemoose> at least when you get there you only have a month or so of winter to deal with
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1059: [20:37:30] <helenclarko> Yea, First time I have ever had summer and then summer again.
1060: [20:39:31] <chocolatemoose> I did the reverse coming here
1061: [20:39:52] <chocolatemoose> at least winter here is nice
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1063: [20:43:41] <DanaeNZ> 8:30 am meetings are a waste of time and should be banned
1064: [20:45:15] <muskie9> the worst is clients requesting a Friday 8am or 4pm
1065: [20:46:03] <chocolatemoose> is it possible to disable lastedited and created timestamps for a dataobject?
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1067: [20:47:41] <Stomach> why?
1068: [20:51:12] <DanaeNZ> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gt5ZmMEg0sU
1069: [20:53:57] <wmk> chocolatemoose, theoretically yes. just overwrite the method in DataObject that defines the date fields
1070: [20:54:08] <wmk> in your subclass
1071: [20:56:33] <wmk> chocolatemoose, public static function custom_database_fields would be a good point to start
1072: [21:00:11] <irogue> [09:43:44] <DanaeNZ> 8:30 am meetings are a waste of time and should be banned
1073: [21:00:15] <irogue> agreed
1074: [21:00:37] <irogue> when I first started at SS our stand-up was at 8:30. i managed to negotiate it to 9, then 9:30, and now 10 :D
1075: [21:01:06] <DanaeNZ> hahaha nice
1076: [21:01:14] <DanaeNZ> same with our monday morning stand up
1077: [21:01:21] <DanaeNZ> it's still 9:30 tho
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1079: [21:07:42] <helenclarko> chocolatemoose, I dunno how I feel about Canadian winter yet. I guess I'll find out in Feb.
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1085: [21:20:59] <antmas> <adrexia> so - what antmas is saying it warm for Nelson
1086: [21:21:06] <antmas> yup :D , warm for this time of year
1087: [21:22:25] <adrexia> antmas - terryapodaca was saying it was cold in Texas; you were saying it was warm in Nelson. Same tempurature :D
1088: [21:28:57] <antmas> oh lol
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1090: [21:36:37] <irogue> i can tell that stand-up was way too long
1091: [21:37:07] <irogue> cos my sausage roll which was too hot to eat beforehand is completely cold afterwards
1092: [21:38:45] <antmas> lol
1093: [21:39:28] <irogue> <spronk> microsoft said it had "two extra processors" than the 13" mbp
1094: [21:39:34] <irogue> do microsoft not know what a processor is?
1095: [21:40:30] <helenclarko> "we took 1 of them and then made another one and put that in there too."
1096: [21:40:47] <irogue> <spronk> rumors its a gtx960m in the base
1097: [21:40:55] <irogue> rumors are weird. the base doesn't even have a discrete GPU
1098: [21:41:16] <antmas> "two extra processors"
1099: [21:41:20] <antmas> that could mean anything
1100: [21:41:25] <irogue> exactly
1101: [21:41:26] <antmas> it could even be a boat!
1102: [21:42:01] <irogue> the two new processors could be ones that make LEDs blink
1103: [21:42:38] <antmas> https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=GKZJdaiJF84
1104: [21:42:47] <helenclarko> So two extra processors on top of what?
1105: [21:44:26] <antmas> it has 2 proceccors
1106: [21:44:31] <antmas> processors*
1107: [21:44:35] <antmas> gpu and cpu
1108: [21:44:44] <helenclarko> It doesnt matter how many processors you have, you will always have two extra processors.
1109: [21:44:47] <antmas> whatever else they're talking about 'extra' is pretty much bullshit
1110: [21:44:57] <irogue> yep
1111: [21:45:05] <antmas> and the 'base' model, won't be faster than the mbp
1112: [21:45:16] <antmas> but the more featured SKUs will be
1113: [21:45:17] <helenclarko> antmas, No, you will get two extra processors!
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1115: [21:45:32] <helenclarko> antmas, do with them what you will
1116: [21:45:42] <antmas> having said that, MBPs are exactly a high bar in terms of performance :P
1117: [21:46:27] <irogue> MBPs or MBAs?
1118: [21:46:46] <antmas> MBPs
1119: [21:47:13] <antmas> they're fast, don't get me wrong
1120: [21:47:36] <chocolatemoose_> does the base come with the 3000x2000 screen?
1121: [21:47:57] <antmas> who know's
1122: [21:48:03] <antmas> it's honestly kinda dumb
1123: [21:48:13] <antmas> why not just get a Surfac Pro and a connectable keyboard?
1124: [21:48:32] <helenclarko> Im not sure you understand... two extra processors, okay. two of them. EXTRA! Thats two extra for the price of not two extra.
1125: [21:48:46] <antmas> lol
1126: [21:48:53] <chocolatemoose_> plus the gpu is in the dock/keyboard
1127: [21:49:02] <chocolatemoose_> *beefier gpu
1128: [21:49:04] <antmas> oh that too
1129: [21:49:26] <irogue> "Apple has managed to undercut Microsoft here with its MacBook Pro with Retina display starting at $1,300 while the Surface Book starts at $1,500."
1130: [21:49:45] <irogue> basically same specs on each, tho slightly higher res & slightly lower GPU on the surface book
1131: [21:49:57] <antmas> irogue: it's not undercutting really as they're not the same spec
1132: [21:50:18] <chocolatemoose_> I wonder how durable that hinge will be since it doesn't close flat...
1133: [21:50:25] <irogue> antmas: both 128GB SSD, similar i5 cpu, 8GB RAM
1134: [21:50:39] <helenclarko> irogue, and the surface has the 2 extra processors?
1135: [21:50:49] <irogue> hahaha yes whatever the fuck that means
1136: [21:51:00] <helenclarko> Okay I'm done with this. It's not funny!
1137: [21:51:25] <antmas> irogue: mm but the diff between haswell and skylake is reasonably big
1138: [21:51:30] <chocolatemoose_> that's neat
1139: [21:51:37] <helenclarko> ^ ha
1140: [21:51:45] <antmas> apples to apples really, it comes down to OSX vs windows if you want to compare performance
1141: [21:52:19] <irogue> yeah
1142: [21:52:30] <helenclarko> antmas, I simply dont agree, I think it comes down to the 2 extra processors.
1143: [21:52:35] <irogue> be good to see comparison benchmarks when they happen, antmas
1144: [21:52:36] <antmas> LOL
1145: [21:52:49] <antmas> irogue: mmm, they'll end up being similar either way :P
1146: [21:53:15] <irogue> for either the Vista or Win7 launch (can't remember which) MS did a benchmark to find the fastest Vista/7 laptop
1147: [21:53:17] <helenclarko> Okay Okay, sorry... I have work to do.
1148: [21:53:31] <irogue> and the winner was an MBP running boot camp
1149: [21:53:44] <antmas> "look how fast I rendered these frames on my MBP! it was 2 seconds faster than the Surface Book!"
1150: [21:53:45] <irogue> which was mildly embarassing for HP, Dell etc
1151: [21:54:49] <helenclarko> irogue, Windows with virtual box running mac OSX with virtual box running windows. DONE! solved that one!
1152: [21:55:05] <irogue> lol
1153: [21:55:16] <irogue> I used to have an iMac running Win7 as my lanning PC
1154: [21:55:20] <irogue> very easy to transport :)
1155: [21:55:24] <antmas> irogue: lol same :D
1156: [21:55:47] <Sphere> Hmmm, that was a bit a longer nap than anticipated
1157: [21:55:49] <antmas> take it to LANs and people give you death stares
1158: [21:55:54] <irogue> HI SPHERE
1159: [21:56:11] <chocolatemoose_> could you make a modern fork bomb using vagrant that would automatically provision a new os inside of the previously provisioned os until it eventually ran out of memory and died?
1160: [21:56:13] <irogue> antmas: yup, Boot Camp was new too
1161: [21:56:25] <irogue> so people were massively confused how I was running windows on a mac
1162: [21:56:41] <antmas> irogue: lol yeah
1163: [21:56:42] <irogue> most people thought I was fucking with them and had a windows PC set up somewhere with VNC
1164: [21:56:54] <Sphere> Hey irogue
1165: [21:57:15] <antmas> I also had OSX (SL) running on my gaming machine - confused a lot of people when it destroyed an iMac for performance
1166: [21:57:36] * irogue is looking forward to torturing uh I mean welcoming Sphere when he comes to NZ
1167: [21:57:46] <irogue> antmas: haha yeah
1168: [21:57:58] <Sphere> I'm a skilled archer. I'll think I'll survive :D
1169: [21:58:01] <antmas> irogue: is that torture seating him by ss23 ? :D
1170: [21:58:04] <antmas> ss23: <3
1171: [21:58:08] <irogue> oh shit that'd be cruel
1172: [21:58:16] <irogue> put him between ss23 and john
1173: [21:58:23] <Sphere> Ow crap :X
1174: [21:58:27] <irogue> WELCOME TO SILVERSTRIPE
1175: [21:58:37] <Sphere> NOW GO TRY TO SURVIVE THIS!
1176: [21:58:54] <adrexia> oh, you're goign to go work at Silverstripe?
1177: [21:58:55] <helenclarko> antmas, Thats always fun, dual booting osx and windows on a gaming laptop. Then boot OSX and lans and look at it like WTF is happening!
1178: [21:58:56] <antmas> Baptism of fire
1179: [21:59:01] <Sphere> I'm more scary in real life, so that would be fun :D
1180: [21:59:20] <Sphere> adrexia: yep, I'm moving to NZ
1181: [21:59:24] <adrexia> nice!
1182: [21:59:35] <antmas> helenclarko: lol I did it to a mate's machine and didn't tell him the key to press to switch boots :D
1183: [21:59:38] <irogue> antmas: I kindof wish I had some use for all the power of a Mac Pro so I could justify getting one
1184: [21:59:40] <irogue> cos they're so fucking crazy
1185: [21:59:55] <adrexia> you should join us for Tuesday "philosophy " nights
1186: [22:00:00] <Sphere> I'd go for a SurfaceBook irogue :DH
1187: [22:00:11] <irogue> Sphere: Mac Pro, not MacBook Pro ;)
1188: [22:00:14] <antmas> irogue: just buy one and say it's 'for video editing' like everyone else :P
1189: [22:00:22] <irogue> haha yeah
1190: [22:00:22] <Sphere> Still, Surface Pro irogue
1191: [22:00:30] <irogue> my mind was blown when I saw them in the shop antmas
1192: [22:00:32] <adrexia> ..though this week was just a bunch of people looking sad and drinking beer
1193: [22:00:43] <antmas> irogue: the little trashcan ones eh?
1194: [22:00:49] <irogue> I'd seen photos and thought it was gonna be trashcan sized
1195: [22:00:53] <irogue> WHOA WAY SMALLER
1196: [22:00:56] <Sphere> Ow, no, now that you mention it antmas
1197: [22:01:03] <helenclarko> antmas, haha, thats a lot of work though. I would be like "I'm not even mad, thats amazing"
1198: [22:01:03] <antmas> lol yeah crazy small
1199: [22:01:08] <antmas> that design is amazing
1200: [22:01:09] <Sphere> Get one of those trashcans to help keep the workplace clean!
1201: [22:01:11] <irogue> http://core0.staticworld.net/images/article/2013/12/mac-pro-size-banana-100221240-gallery.jpg
1202: [22:01:33] <Sphere> still a trashcan
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1204: [22:01:41] <irogue> 2 CPUs, 2 graphics cards, 4 hard drives fit in there somehow
1205: [22:01:42] <antmas> it should never have been glossy
1206: [22:01:54] <antmas> should have been matte black metal
1207: [22:02:09] <Sphere> And it should be non-apple.
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1209: [22:02:17] <antmas> Sphere: lol
1210: [22:02:19] <irogue> Sphere: you're gonna love working at an apple-centric company
1211: [22:03:12] <Sphere> irogue: My company-supplied laptop is a macbook ;)
1212: [22:03:26] <chocolatemoose_> those bastards
1213: [22:03:27] <Sphere> I have no problems with the hardware. The software however. Ugh.
1214: [22:03:40] <antmas> Sphere: I'm in the same boat
1215: [22:03:43] <Sphere> OSX != my thing
1216: [22:03:49] <helenclarko> Sphere, Apple products have their place.
1217: [22:03:52] <antmas> love the hardware (not htinking about upgrades ;))
1218: [22:03:52] <irogue> I like *nix, so OSX is my thing
1219: [22:03:55] <antmas> hate the software
1220: [22:03:57] <chocolatemoose_> Sphere: I don't think it's any worse than Windows
1221: [22:04:05] <chocolatemoose_> then again I'm not a fan of either
1222: [22:04:15] <Sphere> chocolatemoose_: I do prefer Windows though.
1223: [22:04:18] <antmas> chocolatemoose_: you neckbeard
1224: [22:04:20] <antmas> :P
1225: [22:04:22] <irogue> trying to set up decent LAMP dev environments on windows makes me sad
1226: [22:04:23] <chocolatemoose_> lol
1227: [22:04:33] <Sphere> But my ultimate dev-machine is a RHL machine
1228: [22:04:41] <Sphere> irogue: Vagrant.
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1230: [22:04:54] <chocolatemoose_> I liked OSX a lot more before they started adding all that iOS integration stuff
1231: [22:04:56] <chocolatemoose_> I don't want that
1232: [22:05:02] <helenclarko> irogue, Advantage of LAMP over XAMPP?
1233: [22:05:03] <antmas> yeah
1234: [22:05:08] <antmas> chocolatemoose_: +1
1235: [22:05:18] <irogue> Sphere: yeah, that's what I've come to. but virtualbox's shared file system is super slow in windows due to lack of NFS
1236: [22:05:20] <antmas> the last one I enjoyed was SL
1237: [22:05:28] <chocolatemoose_> agreed
1238: [22:05:34] <irogue> XAMPP is brand name for a WAMP stack
1239: [22:05:42] <chocolatemoose_> I don't know how it took them so long to add screen splitting
1240: [22:05:49] <chocolatemoose_> too busy with handoff stuff I guess..
1241: [22:05:53] <Sphere> Hmmm, never have any issues with a system being slow. a quad-core Vagrant machine with 4G of RAM works perfectly fine for me.
1242: [22:05:55] <antmas> I use XAMMP and it's pretty good
1243: [22:05:59] <antmas> (WAMP)
1244: [22:06:27] <irogue> Sphere: its in the file reads. most noticable when doing a /dev/build or ?flush=all where it has to analyse the whole filesystem
1245: [22:06:36] <helenclarko> antmas, I've always used Xampp
1246: [22:06:52] <Sphere> If you have to use something like XAMP/WAMP or so, try this trick: http://casa-laguna.net/all-the-news/show/easy-manage-multiple-websites-on-wamp
1247: [22:06:56] <antmas> helenclarko: it's pretty good eh, you can do some tricky stuff with it
1248: [22:07:12] <Sphere> irogue: true, file read/writes are darn slow if your machine isn't on a SSD
1249: [22:07:41] <chocolatemoose_> I've just been using MAMP but trying to transition to Vagrant
1250: [22:07:42] <irogue> who the hell isn't on an SSD
1251: [22:07:53] <Sphere> Well, my storage, for example?
1252: [22:08:03] <Sphere> I have 2 or 3 non-SSD disks purely for storage.
1253: [22:08:04] <irogue> tho it wouldn't matter
1254: [22:08:11] <irogue> as virtualbox's filesystem stuff is slower than an HDD
1255: [22:08:14] <Sphere> Just things like images, files, etc.
1256: [22:08:17] <helenclarko> antmas, Yea, I've always been happy with it.
1257: [22:08:19] <irogue> so it won't be SSD vs HDD slowing you down
1258: [22:08:35] <Sphere> I'm not entirely sure. Could be :)
1259: [22:09:37] <irogue> my old team in auckland is switching to parallels for their vagrant boxes at the moment as its about 3x faster than virtualbox+NFS which is about 2x faster than virtualbox without NFS (e.g. on windows)
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1261: [22:10:08] <irogue> i haven't tried using vagrant with vmware on windows tho, might be able to get decent performance out of that
1262: [22:10:35] <helenclarko> Ever find yourself asking, "I wish I had two extra processors".
1263: [22:10:39] <Sphere> I usually run on VirtualBox. Although not superfast like a real server, it's not bad on speed either.
1264: [22:11:13] <Sphere> Constantly. But I think the 6 cores I have is the max :P
1265: [22:11:16] <irogue> its okay for smaller sites, but it really starts to struggle on the kind of size projects we do
1266: [22:11:22] <antmas> irogue: vmware + vagrant is pretty fast
1267: [22:11:24] <irogue> Sphere: pfft, only 6 cores? get more :P
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1269: [22:12:06] <irogue> antmas: sweet. I was put off by the cost
1270: [22:12:14] <irogue> not only have to license vmware but also the vmware plugin for vagrant
1271: [22:12:44] <antmas> lol yeah vmware is pretty spensive
1272: [22:12:55] <antmas> we have some pretty good licencing here for it
1273: [22:13:02] <antmas> but none to spare for me :(
1274: [22:13:09] <irogue> :(
1275: [22:13:30] <antmas> we're soon transitioninga big amount of my dev stuff off to azure soon though
1276: [22:13:31] <Sphere> Ow wow, for VMWare, you actually need a license to work with Vagrant :X
1277: [22:13:34] <antmas> so that will be pretty fun
1278: [22:13:35] <Sphere> that's bad
1279: [22:13:39] <irogue> Sphere: yup
1280: [22:13:55] <irogue> thats why we're switching to parallels instead of to vmware
1281: [22:14:06] <irogue> parallels is cheaper than vmware *and* no extra vagrant license required
1282: [22:15:03] <irogue> i'd have liked to use vmware in case the team ever got a windows user, cos parallels is mac only
1283: [22:15:05] <antmas> is there a Cathy in here?
1284: [22:15:11] <irogue> but they made it far too prohibitive cost-wise
1285: [22:17:41] <antmas> irogue: the irony is that cost is offest by the added cost of being an apple-centric outfit :P
1286: [22:18:07] <irogue> not really - decent windows laptops tend to be similar cost to mac laptops
1287: [22:18:25] <irogue> if we used desktop computers then I'd agree, but we generally don't
1288: [22:18:45] <irogue> plus we don't have to pay for any software licensing, so probably save money there
1289: [22:19:40] <helenclarko> irogue, Retailers can now sell apple products at discounted prices.
1290: [22:20:31] <chocolatemoose_> discounting the taxes isn't much of a discount though that's usually all it is :(
1291: [22:20:51] <antmas> irogue: yeah laptops wise then yes
1292: [22:22:05] <antmas> plus windows licencing is aimed at enterprise level, like the minium level is 250 employees
1293: [22:22:17] <helenclarko> Warehouse stationary has had a sale on apple products for awhile now. roughly $200 off other retails. Not sure what they have though, we just got an ipad air tablet for testing.
1294: [22:22:22] <irogue> antmas: yeah, but I mean even just buying standalone windows licenses for computers
1295: [22:22:25] <helenclarko> "TESTING"
1296: [22:22:33] <antmas> irogue: true yeah
1297: [22:23:14] <irogue> OSX doesn't charge for upgrades, so the license you get when you buy the hardware is always good
1298: [22:24:14] <Sphere> That's only recent. OSX was a paid upgrade until it 10.2 if I recall correctly
1299: [22:24:16] <irogue> everyone's pretty pissed off about the IntelliJ licensing changes, since most people here use IDEA
1300: [22:25:01] <irogue> Sphere: yeah. there was talk of MS maybe following suit but its starting to sound like they may be heading towards a subscription model instead
1301: [22:25:05] <irogue> like with Office365
1302: [22:25:16] <irogue> you'll pay a yearly subscription for your windows license
1303: [22:25:23] <antmas> yeah they are going subscription based
1304: [22:25:39] <Sphere> Well, if the pricing isn't outrageous, I don't mind actually.
1305: [22:25:43] <antmas> irogue: that's only at PC level, enterprise is negotiable
1306: [22:26:01] <Sphere> But, with the new Surface Pro and SurfaceBook, I'm not sure if it's actually going to go that way
1307: [22:26:09] <chocolatemoose_> they have to make money somewhere, because it's not like they have all that profit off hardware that Apple does
1308: [22:26:28] <irogue> chocolatemoose_: agreed, they have very different business models
1309: [22:26:56] <irogue> but as a business it does make it easier to justify getting macs that you won't have to pay any windows licensing for
1310: [22:27:04] <chocolatemoose_> yeah
1311: [22:28:02] <chocolatemoose_> if they just increased the initial licensing cost to manufacturers (which would raise prices across the board) then they could probably justify having future upgrades for that license be free
1312: [22:28:18] <chocolatemoose_> and would make more sense to me tbh
1313: [22:28:27] <irogue> yeah, but manufacturers will throw a wobbly and MS have tended to cave in to manufacturers' wobblies
1314: [22:28:51] <irogue> like when MS talked about banning manufacturers bundling crapware in Win10
1315: [22:29:02] <chocolatemoose_> yeah, but what if a manufacturer could have a guarantee that their hardware will be supported for the next X versions of Windows, for free?
1316: [22:29:05] <irogue> talk of that disappeared quickly
1317: [22:30:25] <irogue> chocolatemoose_: if I was MS i'd probably set up some kind of "preferred manufacturer" program where there's no *financial* cost of entry, the manufacturer just has to agree not to bundle crapware and to meet some QC targets
1318: [22:30:35] <irogue> and those manufacturers get perpetual windows licenses
1319: [22:30:35] <chocolatemoose_> yup
1320: [22:30:48] <chocolatemoose_> don't they already have some sort of Microsoft "approved" hardware or whatever?
1321: [22:30:55] <chocolatemoose_> they sell it on their online store
1322: [22:30:56] <irogue> chocolatemoose_: yes, but it was just a "pay for a badge" program
1323: [22:31:00] <chocolatemoose_> ah
1324: [22:31:09] <irogue> highest bidder == approved
1325: [22:31:30] <chocolatemoose_> to be fair, it's a lot like the Android ecosystem too
1326: [22:31:41] <chocolatemoose_> rather, the other way around
1327: [22:31:48] <irogue> the android ecosystem confuses me
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1329: [22:32:25] <irogue> it really needs to be reigned in somehow
1330: [22:33:05] <irogue> its fucking impossible to tell without spending hours reading reviews whether something will be *usable* let alone good
1331: [22:33:13] <chocolatemoose_> yup
1332: [22:33:49] <chocolatemoose_> and guessing whether or not it will be supported by the next version is questionable if you're not getting a flagship
1333: [22:34:14] <irogue> they have the Google Play vs AOSP, which is great, but even many of the Google Play devices are pieces of trash
1334: [22:34:43] <chocolatemoose_> that's why I'm not on WinPhone still, had a Lumia 800, and then Microsoft decided that no WP7 phones would be able to update to WP8
1335: [22:35:02] <chocolatemoose_> they got rid of Google Play program I think
1336: [22:35:16] <chocolatemoose_> they have the One program now
1337: [22:35:47] <antmas> can't wait to the UAM releases for win10 phones
1338: [22:35:59] <antmas> till*
1339: [22:36:23] <irogue> yeah
1340: [22:36:23] <irogue> I understand the technical issue there
1341: [22:36:25] <irogue> but it sucked from a user perspective
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1343: [22:37:52] <chocolatemoose_> I think that transition hit their userbase pretty hard
1344: [22:37:55] <irogue> chocolatemoose_: I don't mean "Google Play Edition", I just mean the Google Play supported devices
1345: [22:37:55] <irogue> i.e. the ones with all of the google apps, vs the AOSP devices that only have open source stuff
1346: [22:37:57] <irogue> they should be having quality requirements for devices that have google apps, so at least if its a "google" android devices you know it'll be usable
1347: [22:38:08] <chocolatemoose_> ah yeah
1348: [22:39:05] <irogue> they can't do much about AOSP cos its open source, but I've owned phones carrying the Google brand that were so underspec'd they didn't even work
1349: [22:39:34] <irogue> like I had a huawei phone with a google logo on it that was running android 2.3 with 256MB RAM
1350: [22:39:43] <chocolatemoose_> my problem is the uninstallable bundled crap on a lot of phones
1351: [22:39:52] <irogue> chocolatemoose_: yeah that shit needs to be banned
1352: [22:39:55] <irogue> seen all the Sony shit?
1353: [22:40:00] <chocolatemoose_> yeah
1354: [22:40:11] <irogue> why the hell google allows that is beyond me
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1356: [22:40:18] <irogue> its destroying trust in android
1357: [22:40:22] <Sphere> Welp!
1358: [22:40:27] <Sphere> 0:40 already?
1359: [22:40:33] <Sphere> Time for bed I guess.
1360: [22:40:36] <irogue> Sphere: lies, its 11:40am
1361: [22:40:48] <irogue> get used to NZST/NZDT ;)
1362: [22:41:02] <chocolatemoose_> I think they "scolded" Samsung for it earlier too, not sure how much they changed though
1363: [22:41:14] <Sphere> Yeayea... when I don't have to be at work at 9 AM CEST, I will :D
1364: [22:41:16] <irogue> samsung has been toying with ditching android for a while now
1365: [22:41:38] <chocolatemoose_> but still supporting Android apps I'd assume :p
1366: [22:41:40] <irogue> they get butthurt about google trying to assert any control, because samsung think of themselves as *being* android
1367: [22:41:45] <irogue> chocolatemoose_: yup
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1369: [22:43:03] <irogue> the Galaxy Gear watches aren't running android anymore
1370: [22:46:26] <antmas> what do they run?
1371: [22:46:53] <antmas> I do want a samsung (very specific one for my next phone) but am open to suggestions
1372: [22:47:52] <chocolatemoose_> my next would probably be another Moto
1373: [22:47:59] <chocolatemoose_> the X Pure Edition looks nice
1374: [22:48:08] <antmas> dumb thing is they don't sell the Galaxy S6 Active here in NZ :(
1375: [22:48:26] <antmas> chocolatemoose_: is that replacing the Droid Turbo or something?
1376: [22:48:47] <chocolatemoose_> dunno
1377: [22:55:09] <irogue> antmas: they run Tizen
1378: [22:55:31] <irogue> which is samsung's own OS they keep claiming they aren't going to replace Android with but also keep hinting they might
1379: [22:55:47] <irogue> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tizen
1380: [22:55:50] <DanaeNZ> antmas: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRC7SNV0tCQ
1381: [22:56:46] <antmas> DanaeNZ: SuZAKi :D
1382: [22:57:09] <antmas> DanaeNZ: ROFL
1383: [22:57:11] <antmas> this is gold
1384: [22:57:55] <antmas> weight reduction, bro
1385: [22:58:51] <DanaeNZ> amazing
1386: [22:59:12] <DanaeNZ> these footpegs are built by Thor's hammer so I can carry fat bitches on the back when i can't get decent pussy
1387: [22:59:15] <DanaeNZ> bahaha
1388: [22:59:21] <antmas> LOL
1389: [22:59:27] <Sphere> Whaha, this is brilliant! http://bennyhillthis.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D25W908awEqg
1390: [22:59:51] <antmas> 'these are heat extraction ports to your head don't catch on fuckin fire while on the track'
1391: [22:59:59] <antmas> so*
1392: [23:01:21] <chocolatemoose_> that's my nitrous now
1393: [23:01:38] <antmas> somone just posted this on our buy,sell,swap thing
1394: [23:01:40] <antmas> 'Wanted Double door old wooden wardrobe'
1395: [23:01:43] <antmas> say that fast
1396: [23:04:14] <Sphere> Easy.
1397: [23:27:56] <Colin[pi]> o/
1398: [23:28:55] <helenclarko> Colin[pi], o/
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1400: [23:29:28] <antmas> Colin[pi]: o/
1401: [23:30:06] <antmas> Colin[pi]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRC7SNV0tCQ
1402: [23:30:54] <DanaeNZ> Colin[pi]: o/
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1404: [23:42:12] <ss-helper> SilverStripe 4.0 File management and DBFile validation - https://groups.google.com/d/msg/silverstripe-dev/cMRZ8HVe4Os/zDQ2Hy0mAgAJ
1405: [23:45:48] <Sphere> I think I should go to bed.
1406: [23:46:00] <Sphere> What time is it in NZ now?
1407: [23:46:12] <chocolatemoose_> 12:46
1408: [23:46:26] <Sphere> Really?
1409: [23:46:33] <chocolatemoose_> PM
1410: [23:46:34] <chocolatemoose_> yes
1411: [23:46:48] <Sphere> Wow, I'm almost living NZ time I guess :D
1412: [23:48:08] <helenclarko> [11:59:07] <DanaeNZ> these footpegs are built by Thor's hammer so I can carry fat bitches on the back when i can't get decent pussy
1413: [23:48:15] <helenclarko> ^ haha
1414: [23:50:04] <Sphere> There's actually a crowdfund for my cat to come with me to NZ :D
1415: [23:50:19] <Sphere> http://gogetfunding.com/fund-firespheres-cat-dodge-to-new-zealand/
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1417: [23:52:36] <ss-helper> fdsfds: Welcome to #silverstripe! Please ask your questions but don't leave too soon, we are a busy lot.
1418: [23:53:07] <Sphere> Woah! waitwut? ss-helper now welkomes people? O_o
1419: [23:53:19] <Colin[pi]> he does, he's being.... helpful
1420: [23:53:42] <Sphere> Is ss-helper a he or a she?
1421: [23:53:48] <helenclarko> ss-helper is such a nice person. Only to new people though.
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1423: [23:54:15] <Sphere> lol
1424: [23:54:17] <helenclarko> ss-helper, hey!
1425: [23:55:11] <helenclarko> ss-helper, a/s/l
1426: [23:55:29] <Sphere> Don't ask for ASL, that's rude.
1427: [23:56:27] <helenclarko> ASL, The mating call of the barely post-pubescant teenager. Typically the male initiates this signal, as an attempt to attract a female.
1428: [23:56:37] <helenclarko> Urban dictionary lol.
1429: [23:56:53] <Sphere> Hah, nice description :D
1430: [23:56:54] * fdsfds quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
1431: [23:57:01] <Sphere> Captures the essence
1432: [23:57:06] <Sphere> By fsdfds
1433: [23:57:10] <Hailwood> Hey folks, whats the simplest way to have n GridFields on a DataObject that point to the same type of DataObjects but each GridField needs to be isolated? (e.g. my ContentBlock has four tabs, each tab has n Accordion Sections ), but $has_many = ['TabOneAccordionSections' => 'AccordionSection', 'TabTwoAccordionSections' => 'AccordionSection', ...] ends up with all four gridfields showing the same items
1434: [23:57:37] <Sphere> Add a filter to the listview
1435: [23:57:49] <Hailwood> Sphere, Filter on what though?
1436: [23:58:20] <Sphere> The gridfield has a getForm method if I'm not mistaken. You can override it with a filter in a custom class
1437: [23:58:43] <Sphere> I'm too lazy to look it up, but that should work afaik

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