#silverstripe IRC Log

IRC log for 17 September 2015

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2: [00:13:09] <antmas> :O
3: [00:13:12] <antmas> iOS9?
4: [00:20:33] <novaweb> antmas: HR2977. Google it. Nuff said.
5: [00:21:30] <antmas> novaweb: lol wtf, chemtrails?
6: [00:22:04] <novaweb> antmas: Senators would not propose this in congress unless there was a reason to.
7: [00:22:57] * antmas is lost
8: [00:23:02] <antmas> what are we talking aboot?
9: [00:24:34] <novaweb> antmas have pm'd you :P
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22: [01:54:39] <novaweb> Any gistboxapp users?
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24: [02:09:44] <MichalKleiner> can someone accept the pullrequest and tag a version of the https://github.com/silverstripe-labs/silverstripe-fulltextsearch-localsolr module?
25: [02:09:50] <MichalKleiner> shouldn't harm anyone
26: [02:10:08] <novaweb> I'll do it
27: [02:10:17] <novaweb> or perhaps not
28: [02:10:19] <novaweb> haha
29: [02:10:28] <novaweb> is this just a community thing or someone who's admin?
30: [02:10:44] <novaweb> look at all this eagerness to help :P
31: [02:10:46] <MichalKleiner> I have no idea, but it's silverstripe-labs so probably SS..
32: [02:10:52] <novaweb> Yeah right
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34: [02:16:01] <zippy> here is an interesting one...
35: [02:16:13] <zippy> discounts on an order... before or after gst, and before or after shipping..
36: [02:16:50] <zippy> I guess it's after gst, before shipping
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38: [02:18:23] <novaweb> zippy
39: [02:18:29] <zippy> novaweb:
40: [02:18:30] <novaweb> ...processing...
41: [02:18:50] <novaweb> def before shipping
42: [02:19:09] <novaweb> the discount should be applied prior to gst calculation
43: [02:19:36] <novaweb> so before gat before shipping
44: [02:19:41] <novaweb> *gst
45: [02:20:36] <novaweb> if we took gst out of the picture, the product or service is what's getting discounted, the gst result is based on that discounted product/service
46: [02:20:55] <zippy> I think it's either or isn't it
47: [02:21:12] <zippy> (product + gst ) - 10% = same as (product - 10%) + gst
48: [02:21:13] <zippy> hm
49: [02:21:14] <zippy> lets see
50: [02:21:47] <novaweb> true, just for programming logically though
51: [02:21:49] <novaweb> IMUO
52: [02:21:56] <novaweb> (U = useless)
53: [02:24:01] <zippy> 10 + gst = $11.50. - 10% = $10 (haha).... vs 10 - 10% = $9 + gst = 10.035
54: [02:24:24] <zippy> so its $10 vs $10.035
55: [02:24:29] <zippy> if my maths is right
56: [02:25:03] <Hailwood> Hey guys, if we want to add a forum is silverstripe/silverstripe-forum the way to go?.
57: [02:25:15] <novaweb> Hailwood affirm
58: [02:26:07] <novaweb> I maintain my theory
59: [02:26:10] <novaweb> I guess it
60: [02:26:16] <zippy> I think your right, I think it comes off before gst really
61: [02:26:17] <novaweb> s up to the client at the end of the day zippy
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63: [02:26:32] <novaweb> it *should do*
64: [02:26:54] <zippy> I think thought when people expect 25% off the order, it should come off after
65: [02:26:58] <zippy> otherwise the numbers wont line up
66: [02:27:12] <novaweb> hmmm
67: [02:27:23] <zippy> ie, total with tax is $100 - so you'd be like - I will pay $75
68: [02:27:28] <novaweb> https://www.google.co.nz/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=are%20discounts%20before%20or%20after%20tax
69: [02:27:41] <novaweb> That doesn't help
70: [02:27:48] <novaweb> Guess you have to ask your client haha
71: [02:28:16] <zippy> the 25% you take off would also be made up of some tax as well I guess
72: [02:31:53] <Phlunk3> nah, gst is applied after discount is applied to product. GST has to be x% of the product price I believe. Can't go removing x% from the total with gst as then the gst makeup is different (remains 15%).
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74: [02:35:35] <Phlunk3> or wait, maybe it makes no difference lmao. too lazy to check properly :/
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76: [02:39:34] <spronk> ffs guys
77: [02:39:37] <spronk> it makes no difference
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79: [02:40:33] <spronk> commutative property brah
80: [02:41:01] <spronk> gst = x1.15
81: [02:41:14] <spronk> discount = x0.(percentage)
82: [02:41:31] <spronk> val * discount * gst = discount * val * gst etc etc etc
83: [02:42:17] <spronk> and if i see any of you "adding" GST using addition in your code a la value + (value * 0.15), i will slice your throat
84: [02:43:28] <zippy> spronk it does make a difference..
85: [02:44:01] <spronk> no it doesn't
86: [02:44:06] <spronk> your maths above was wrong
87: [02:44:07] <zippy> I thought it didn't but it seems to
88: [02:44:13] <spronk> 10% of 11.50 is not 10
89: [02:44:17] <spronk> err
90: [02:44:20] <spronk> 90% of 11.50 is not 10
91: [02:44:28] <spronk> its 10.35, which is the same as the other example
92: [02:44:57] <spronk> DO IT AGAIN
93: [02:44:57] <spronk> :P
94: [02:45:23] <zippy> my math foo WAS wrong.. 10% of 11.50 = 1.15 which is 10.35
95: [02:45:39] <zippy> I thought it would be the same, but I accentlaly a number
96: [02:46:57] <spronk> personally i like to caluclate the values ignorant of GST
97: [02:47:04] <spronk> i.e. incl gst
98: [02:47:10] <spronk> and then determine the ex gst values at the end
99: [02:47:11] <spronk> but whatever
100: [02:47:20] <spronk> do it based on how your prices are stored
101: [02:48:36] <spronk> which should be ex gst
102: [02:48:49] <spronk> so that you can internationalise easily
103: [02:49:02] <spronk> also so that you can cope with changes to taxation rates
104: [02:52:23] <novaweb> frands... link to a module on the "silverstripe way" to reflect dataobjects on the front end as pages
105: [02:52:26] <novaweb> ?
106: [02:53:01] <novaweb> I have a way but wish to see if theres a standard approach that I don't know of
107: [02:53:05] <spronk> hmm
108: [02:53:13] <spronk> tbh, imo, the silverstripe way is to not use dataobjects as pages :p
109: [02:53:21] <novaweb> so 1 dataobject has it's own page
110: [02:53:44] <spronk> what's the story here?
111: [02:53:50] <novaweb> Ok, in this instance, we're talking about reports
112: [02:54:00] <novaweb> reports are currently pages in the old cms
113: [02:54:25] <novaweb> but in my view, reports are reports, which can be viewed imitating a page on the front end
114: [02:54:36] <novaweb> ... I'd like to manage them using model admin
115: [02:54:36] <spronk> right
116: [02:54:44] <novaweb> there are hundreds, if not thousands
117: [02:54:51] <MichalKleiner> novaweb: you seen https://github.com/arambalakjian/DataObject-as-Page?
118: [02:55:49] <novaweb> MichalKleiner, no have you used it?
119: [02:55:51] <spronk> i'd just build a basic controller for it
120: [02:56:07] <spronk> "as page" has all sorts of other associations
121: [02:56:07] <novaweb> like ReportViewerPage extends Page?
122: [02:56:13] <spronk> yup
123: [02:56:15] <MichalKleiner> we used it in past on some other project that I took over after the previous dev.. worked ok
124: [02:56:22] <novaweb> K cool that's my current approach
125: [02:56:34] <novaweb> Ok MichalKleiner thanks
126: [02:56:40] <novaweb> I'll consider both options
127: [02:56:52] <novaweb> This is a subsites installation so have to tread lightly...
128: [02:56:58] <spronk> oh god
129: [02:56:59] <spronk> yeah
130: [02:57:03] <novaweb> :D
131: [02:57:04] <MichalKleiner> MoE?
132: [02:58:53] <MichalKleiner> I just wondered who uses subsites that much :-))
133: [02:59:03] <spronk> MoE/
134: [02:59:04] <spronk> ?
135: [02:59:06] <spronk> as in minedu?
136: [02:59:11] <novaweb> no as in Moe
137: [02:59:14] <novaweb> from the simpsons
138: [02:59:25] <novaweb> :p
139: [02:59:50] <spronk> lol
140: [02:59:56] <spronk> novaweb are you responsible for the new moe site?
141: [03:00:07] <novaweb> education.govt.nz?
142: [03:00:10] <spronk> mm
143: [03:00:16] <novaweb> No
144: [03:00:21] <spronk> good :P
145: [03:00:31] <novaweb> www.govt.nz was my last completed project
146: [03:00:35] <novaweb> why, what you say
147: [03:00:36] <novaweb> shoot
148: [03:00:42] <novaweb> I'm interested :)
149: [03:00:49] <spronk> new site is awful
150: [03:00:52] <spronk> navigation is terrible
151: [03:00:52] <spronk> :p
152: [03:00:53] <novaweb> go on...
153: [03:00:58] <novaweb> ok taking a look
154: [03:01:09] <spronk> and holy crap the fonts are huge, but that's a complaint of mine against a lot of sites these days...
155: [03:01:44] <novaweb> You think the navigation is a bit to here there and everywhere
156: [03:01:49] <novaweb> displaced almost?
157: [03:02:01] <spronk> yeah pretty much
158: [03:02:03] <spronk> and very inconsistent
159: [03:02:21] <spronk> really could use a megadropdown :P
160: [03:02:35] <spronk> i mean seriously
161: [03:02:36] <spronk> http://www.education.govt.nz/school/
162: [03:02:37] <spronk> this page
163: [03:02:41] <spronk> is what you get when you click on 5-19 years
164: [03:02:49] <spronk> are you kidding me?
165: [03:02:55] <spronk> its just a partial sitemap.
166: [03:03:08] <spronk> did they run out of money to make their site good? :P
167: [03:03:20] * spronk stops ranting
168: [03:04:03] <spronk> don't get me started on the design either
169: [03:04:04] * spronk sighs
170: [03:06:11] <novaweb> Haha
171: [03:06:21] <novaweb> They're pretty proud of their new site
172: [03:06:34] <novaweb> I will pass the comments on to the appropriate people though if that's ok
173: [03:06:35] <spronk> in house job?
174: [03:06:49] <novaweb> honesty is good and there's always room for improvement
175: [03:08:44] <spronk> heh
176: [03:08:49] <spronk> i thought it was preeetty poor, tbh
177: [03:09:04] <spronk> though a lot of these new cwp sites are the same way
178: [03:09:24] <novaweb> The problem is is there is a real lack of internal capability
179: [03:09:27] <novaweb> and lot
180: [03:09:41] <novaweb> s of non technical managers making technical decision
181: [03:09:42] <novaweb> s
182: [03:09:50] <spronk> hmm
183: [03:09:52] <novaweb> hence why I
184: [03:09:59] <novaweb> am in on this
185: [03:10:03] <spronk> the issues with that site aren't really technical
186: [03:10:11] <novaweb> and needlessly pressing enter on my new ergonomic keyboard
187: [03:10:34] <novaweb> I know, but you get senior managers (business people) saying "I like THAT design"
188: [03:10:41] <spronk> ugh
189: [03:10:44] <spronk> yes
190: [03:10:47] <novaweb> and their word is the bible
191: [03:10:49] <spronk> lets make a website
192: [03:10:51] <spronk> with EDUCATION.govt.nz
193: [03:10:53] <spronk> in some shitty font
194: [03:10:55] <novaweb> same old story in the barracks
195: [03:10:57] <spronk> as a big logo!
196: [03:11:01] <novaweb> hahaha
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198: [03:11:09] <spronk> despite the fact that the ministry of education logo is actually quite nice
199: [03:11:45] <novaweb> insider info, new home page coming out soon.
200: [03:12:10] <spronk> lol
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202: [03:14:49] <spronk> see,
203: [03:14:51] <spronk> the parents.education.govt.nz site is a lot better
204: [03:15:10] <spronk> the design is still ridiculous
205: [03:15:11] <spronk> those colours :|
206: [03:15:26] <spronk> but... the only way to get there
207: [03:15:29] <spronk> is a tiiiiiiny little button
208: [03:15:34] * spronk sighs
209: [03:15:55] <DanaeNZ> why does subsites not work with siteconfig extension
210: [03:15:55] * novaweb practices irc commands
211: [03:15:56] <DanaeNZ> whywhywhy
212: [03:16:03] <spronk> it doesn't?
213: [03:16:10] <DanaeNZ> hmmm to be specific, CWP
214: [03:16:12] <novaweb> DanaeNZ what you problem?
215: [03:16:23] <spronk> i'm sure i've used it...
216: [03:16:55] <DanaeNZ> it's trying to put SubsiteID on the extension before loading the fields or something, so when I dev/build, it's like, YO what even is this field
217: [03:16:56] <DanaeNZ> and I'm like
218: [03:17:02] <DanaeNZ> well, I'm trying to tell you to make it
219: [03:17:07] <spronk> er
220: [03:17:21] <spronk> each subsite gets its own siteconfig
221: [03:17:58] <spronk> it's been a while since i touched subsites
222: [03:18:14] <DanaeNZ> It inherently extends SiteConfig with Subsite?
223: [03:18:14] <spronk> holy crap they spent $1.2m on that new site!?!?!?!
224: [03:18:15] <DanaeNZ> hm
225: [03:18:55] <spronk> http://educators.co.nz/story/million-dollar-website-ministry-education/ ah yes, ticking boxes
226: [03:18:59] <spronk> it wasn't changed because the old site was bad
227: [03:19:13] <spronk> it was changed because it was "on an outdated platform"
228: [03:19:27] <spronk> sprinkle in some "bad feedback" about the existing site and voila
229: [03:19:31] <spronk> $1.2m!
230: [03:20:26] <DanaeNZ> how can a website cost 1.2m
231: [03:20:31] <spronk> planning
232: [03:20:32] <spronk> management
233: [03:20:39] <novaweb> Yo, kids, 3 websites remember
234: [03:20:41] <spronk> content management
235: [03:20:41] <spronk> that's how
236: [03:20:49] <spronk> fine
237: [03:20:49] <novaweb> yeah, some teams are 10+
238: [03:20:55] <DanaeNZ> wows
239: [03:20:57] <novaweb> there goes half a mill on wages
240: [03:21:03] <spronk> i can't possibly fathom how you can waste that much on that site though
241: [03:21:06] <novaweb> then there's security, infrastructure
242: [03:21:06] <spronk> inefficiencies++
243: [03:21:16] <novaweb> hey, we're talking government
244: [03:21:24] <spronk> isn't half of that taken care of by CWP?
245: [03:21:29] <novaweb> you want to increase efficiency, join em like me
246: [03:21:48] <novaweb> They still perform internal security reviews etc
247: [03:21:51] <spronk> http://education.govt.nz vs https://web.archive.org/web/20150304080728/http://www.minedu.govt.nz/
248: [03:22:00] <spronk> security
249: [03:22:01] <DanaeNZ> oh hm maybe it has something to do with akismet
250: [03:22:03] <spronk> for a website
251: [03:22:11] <novaweb> I'm talking internal infrastructure supporting the business side of things
252: [03:22:24] <novaweb> Don't get me wrong, I'm all for doing things better
253: [03:22:33] <spronk> ugh
254: [03:22:37] <spronk> the moe is so ridiculously broken
255: [03:23:09] <spronk> nz edu software vendors get nowhere because all their manpower goes to MoE compliance work
256: [03:23:21] <DanaeNZ> mmoooooeeee
257: [03:23:44] <novaweb> I was going to show these logs to my manager but now you're just shting all over moe I cant lols
258: [03:23:53] <spronk> lol
259: [03:23:59] <spronk> why not
260: [03:24:06] <novaweb> He's a good dude
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262: [03:24:41] <spronk> lol
263: [03:24:44] <novaweb> seriously, most of us doing the ground work have good intentions and are doing the best we can given operational constraints
264: [03:25:12] <novaweb> we need more forward thinkers internally in govt to convince the gatekeepers that
265: [03:25:17] <novaweb> "open is good"
266: [03:25:19] <novaweb> and such
267: [03:25:30] <MichalKleiner> yeah, that's a hard job
268: [03:25:39] * spronk has no faith in government or its ability to change from within
269: [03:26:00] <spronk> revolution's a'comin
270: [03:26:03] <MichalKleiner> spronk: you should see it elsewhere.. in NZ it's waaaay better than in CZ for example
271: [03:26:07] * novaweb thinks hacking the government from the inside out is the only way to go
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273: [03:26:39] <MichalKleiner> also way more money spent but that's how pricey things are here
274: [03:27:15] <MichalKleiner> if you want to do stuff properly and clean, it costs $$
275: [03:27:24] * novaweb is considering moving to Papua New Guinea to literally build (computers/network) then set up their IT infrastructure and consumables (website/email system) etc
276: [03:27:30] <novaweb> should be fun if it all goes ahead
277: [03:27:39] <spronk> don't do it
278: [03:27:44] <novaweb> spronk why
279: [03:27:47] <novaweb> Mr Pip?
280: [03:27:49] <spronk> computers need to go away
281: [03:28:04] <novaweb> What about The Venus Project?
282: [03:28:20] <spronk> wut
283: [03:28:36] <novaweb> we just need to stop dumb humans selling their souls to MIC to create automated warfare systems
284: [03:28:53] <novaweb> if technology and nature work in unison. whoa.
285: [03:29:10] <novaweb> "intelligent management of the earth's resources
286: [03:29:12] <novaweb> "
287: [03:29:17] <novaweb> anyway I won
288: [03:29:17] <spronk> perhaps
289: [03:29:17] <spronk> but
290: [03:29:18] <novaweb> t
291: [03:29:20] <novaweb> rample
292: [03:29:21] <novaweb> on
293: [03:29:24] <novaweb> ramble
294: [03:29:27] <novaweb> check out TVP
295: [03:29:32] * spronk would argue of all the components necessary to get there
296: [03:29:37] <spronk> technology is in the worst state
297: [03:30:00] <spronk> noone knows how to make software
298: [03:30:07] <spronk> and everything just proliferates
299: [03:30:21] <spronk> taking more and more manhours with it
300: [03:30:29] <spronk> depressing
301: [03:30:39] <novaweb> just be like george carlin
302: [03:30:46] <novaweb> don't be invested
303: [03:30:52] <novaweb> be an observer
304: [03:31:08] <novaweb> and laugh your arse off at the clown colony making fools of themselves
305: [03:31:10] <novaweb> muahahaha
306: [03:31:22] <spronk> well
307: [03:31:30] <spronk> helping the proliferation pays well
308: [03:31:31] <spronk> :p
309: [03:31:44] <spronk> certainly better than accomplishing anything of substance
310: [03:32:01] <spronk> #slavetothesystem
311: [03:32:03] <spronk> #rageagainstthemachine
312: [03:32:06] <novaweb> Yeah, a realisation I came to recently is "the more you screw people over, the more you earn"
313: [03:32:22] <spronk> lawyers, the entire financial sector, IT
314: [03:32:44] <spronk> could probably get rid of 90% of the workforce and almost nothing would happen
315: [03:33:07] <novaweb> spronk... I didn't know what spronk was, so I googled it. Thanks. Now netsys will be laughing at me for googling such things at work
316: [03:33:13] <spronk> er
317: [03:33:17] <spronk> wat
318: [03:33:23] <novaweb> you should watch The Venus Project
319: [03:33:26] <spronk> oh wow
320: [03:33:32] <novaweb> Have you googled spronk?
321: [03:33:33] <novaweb> lol
322: [03:33:41] * spronk was around before urbandictionary
323: [03:33:45] <novaweb> hahaha
324: [03:34:05] * spronk prefers the image search connotations
325: [03:34:14] <spronk> nsfw warning
326: [03:34:17] <spronk> :P
327: [03:34:20] <novaweb> haha
328: [03:34:38] <novaweb> Right
329: [03:34:40] <novaweb> I'm off
330: [03:34:44] <novaweb> fun off topic chats
331: [03:34:45] <novaweb> kind of
332: [03:34:49] <novaweb> Peace playas
333: [03:34:50] <spronk> ;)
334: [03:35:13] <novaweb> Spronk, for later: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hy-sVByUHqE
335: [03:35:20] <spronk> :D
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337: [03:35:48] <DanaeNZ> time for some KPOP
338: [03:35:56] * zippy quit (Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com)
339: [03:39:07] <spronk> OOPPAA GANGNAM STYLE
340: [03:39:14] * spronk hops around
341: [03:39:55] * spronk should really stop trollingf
342: [03:44:25] <DanaeNZ> Ggaeggegeghahe
343: [03:44:43] <DanaeNZ> i was watching a whole lot of dance videos from BTS
344: [03:44:45] <DanaeNZ> they are insane
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349: [04:21:43] <helenclarko> HI!
350: [04:23:54] <Colin[pi]> helenclarko: o/
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352: [04:27:43] * DanaeNZ grooves
353: [04:28:39] * Colin[pi] does pathetic white guy dancing
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355: [04:29:54] <DanaeNZ> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P78Y8jq4_KQ
356: [04:30:32] <helenclarko> I've been waiting for a dance party or something!
357: [04:42:36] <Colin[pi]> helenclarko: http://i.imgur.com/wXpsERk.gif
358: [04:43:23] <helenclarko> Colin[pi], Thats what everyone be like at the moment.
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360: [04:52:58] <DanaeNZ> Colin[pi]: hahahhaah perfect
361: [04:53:55] <DanaeNZ> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUkViXyQTI4
362: [04:54:02] <DanaeNZ> dance level: kpop gangster
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364: [04:55:04] <DanaeNZ> hm that one is actually a little boring
365: [04:55:50] <spronk> fuck i am getting sick of software updates
366: [04:55:52] <spronk> can't these people just calm the fuck down
367: [04:56:42] <DanaeNZ> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hoTBL39i60M&index=7&list=FLBlD3FWraB9Ewns3lwAIQGg
368: [04:56:47] <DanaeNZ> there we go
369: [04:56:55] <DanaeNZ> and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqetxM9miDA&list=FLBlD3FWraB9Ewns3lwAIQGg&index=4
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382: [05:59:18] <spronk> what
383: [05:59:18] <spronk> the
384: [05:59:20] <spronk> fuck
385: [05:59:22] <spronk> they are dancing
386: [05:59:24] <spronk> to limp bizkit?
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394: [07:43:23] <swaiba> mornin wmk
395: [07:43:26] <wmk> morning
396: [07:43:43] <wmk> multidomain modules are subsite and some other multi domain module
397: [07:43:54] <wmk> if we don't share content, what's the best?
398: [07:44:51] <swaiba> I don't know, but I'm interested in using them in the future
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400: [07:45:20] <wmk> just switched one page from single to subsites, but the old page got "main" instead of subsite#1
401: [07:49:51] <wmk> anyone knows https://github.com/silverstripe-australia/silverstripe-multisites ?
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403: [07:56:06] <nontgor> I thought sqlite3 was supposed to be faster for unit testing - just tried the comments module and mysql is 2.5x faster!
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405: [08:05:54] <wmk> nontgor, really?
406: [08:06:10] <nontgor> y, really
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408: [08:07:54] <nontgor> wmk: Went with instrucs here https://docs.silverstripe.org/en/3.0/howto/phpunit-configuration/
409: [08:09:34] <swaiba> nontgor - just to check your machine had tons of ram and sql lite could access it all?
410: [08:09:53] <nontgor> swaiba: 6Gb, running Ubuntu
411: [08:10:50] <nontgor> I'll look into that as a path of diagnosing. What kind of times should I be expecting to see for unit tests?
412: [08:11:37] <wmk> well, on my maching sqlite was a bit faster (vagrant vm) but still dead slow
413: [08:12:42] <kinglozzer> nontgor: Are you definitely running it in-memory?
414: [08:13:13] <kinglozzer> You need to specify 'path' => ':memory:' in your db config
415: [08:13:27] <kinglozzer> Or 'memory' => true depending on which version, I can never remember which is correct :P
416: [08:13:32] <nontgor> kinglozzer: Quite possibly not...
417: [08:13:58] * nontgor not familiar with sqlite
418: [08:16:07] <kinglozzer> It can run either file-based or in memory
419: [08:16:13] <kinglozzer> Memory is the blazing fast one :P
420: [08:16:24] <kinglozzer> But obviously uses more memory
421: [08:18:07] <nontgor> kinglozzer: Blazing fast is what I want. Impossible to write tests if you have to wait several mins between each invocation
422: [08:22:27] <kinglozzer> nontgor: https://gist.github.com/kinglozzer/4ce2822df233c6ee18fc
423: [08:22:40] <kinglozzer> That's what I use to switch to sqlite only when running tests
424: [08:26:54] <nontgor> kinglozzer: Thanks, that appears to work. 1.27mins for comments tests as opposed to 10.44 mins #WOOT
425: [08:27:45] <wmk> kinglozzer, how's that used? is $_REQUEST['db'] automatically called by test runner?
426: [08:27:58] <kinglozzer> wmk: phpunit framework/tests '' db=sqlite3
427: [08:28:02] <kinglozzer> For example
428: [08:28:13] <kinglozzer> Or ?db=sqlite3 if you're running them in the browser
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431: [08:34:10] <kinglozzer> Hm, is there any way of telling in onAfterWrite() if a record has just been written for the first time?
432: [08:34:17] <kinglozzer> I guess I could set a flag in onBeforeWrite...
433: [08:34:45] <wmk> you could check created ;)
434: [08:35:22] <wmk> or is ID in isChanged array?
435: [08:35:56] <kinglozzer> But in *after* write, will it still be "changed"?
436: [08:36:05] <kinglozzer> Guess I'll find out ;)
437: [08:36:14] <wmk> afaik the changed array is still available in onAfterWrite
438: [08:36:25] <wmk> !debug kinglozzer
439: [08:36:25] <ss-helper> kinglozzer: Maybe it's time to start xdebug and see whats going on... check out http://docs.silverstripe.org/en/developer_guides/debugging/ and http://xdebug.org/docs/
440: [08:38:32] <kinglozzer> Ah yes, isChanged('ID') will work
441: [08:38:35] <kinglozzer> Thanks wmk :)
442: [08:40:55] <kinglozzer> Or $this->original['ID'] === 0
443: [08:41:09] <kinglozzer> But I think isChanged() is safe as you can’t change ID
444: [08:42:31] <Zauberfisch> anyone familiar with the ssdialog?
445: [08:42:35] <swaiba> kinglozzer - http://www.silverstripe.org/community/forums/general-questions/show/104889
446: [08:42:41] <Zauberfisch> the javascript dialog popup thing in the cms
447: [08:42:49] <Zauberfisch> I need a "close" event or something
448: [08:44:05] <kinglozzer> swaiba: Hopefully I shouldn't need that - the ID won't be marked as "changed" in subsequent writes
449: [08:44:11] <kinglozzer> I've used it for pages before though... horrible :(
450: [08:44:20] <swaiba> ha, horrible and reliable
451: [08:44:38] <swaiba> I've still no idea why it's called multiple times...
452: [08:45:21] <swaiba> and in the onbeforewrite, you' use $this->IsInDB() right?
453: [08:45:31] <wmk> yup swaiba
454: [08:46:41] <kinglozzer> swaiba: Yeah, we just need a $this->wasInDB() now too for onAfterWrite() :P
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456: [08:48:00] <ss-helper> GioVdK_: Welcome to #silverstripe! Please ask your questions but don't leave too soon, we are a busy lot.
457: [08:48:26] <wmk> wasAlreadyInDB() {return $this->isNew(); }
458: [08:50:30] <wmk> kinglozzer, isn't ->isInDB() and ->exists() two methods for the same issue?
459: [08:52:48] <kinglozzer> Yeah they do the same thing I think
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461: [08:55:34] <swaiba> but in different ways... http://api.silverstripe.org/3.1/source-class-DataObject.html#655-664 versus http://api.silverstripe.org/3.1/source-class-DataObject.html#3421-3426
462: [08:56:13] <terryapodaca> WTF!!!!!! The last three SS sites I've done with SS 3.1.13 do this: Fatal error: Maximum execution time of 30 seconds exceeded in /home/cultivateappsvps/ag.cultivateapps.com/framework/core/manifest/ManifestCache.php on line 35
463: [08:56:20] <terryapodaca> on a dev/build
464: [08:56:59] <wmk> flushed also?
465: [08:57:09] <terryapodaca> yes
466: [08:57:49] <terryapodaca> http://ag.cultivateapps.com/dev/build?flush=1
467: [08:58:12] <terryapodaca> O
468: [08:58:33] <terryapodaca> I've tried ini_set('max_execution_time','99999'); in _config file too, and that doesn't work anymore
469: [08:58:47] <wmk> depends on your php settings
470: [08:58:57] <wmk> if you can overwrite it with ini_set
471: [08:59:30] <terryapodaca> how can I debug the error though...without worrying about setting ini_set
472: [09:00:17] <wmk> well, on a fresh vm i also get this error
473: [09:00:32] <wmk> so i just reload, then the manifest gets built
474: [09:00:43] <wmk> maybe flush first, then run dev/build afterwards
475: [09:01:01] <terryapodaca> this is on a VPS on Dreamhost
476: [09:09:22] <terryapodaca> I've reloaded three times and I still get the same error
477: [09:09:34] <terryapodaca> this is really annoying
478: [09:13:25] <wmk> terryapodaca, any chance to dev/build in cli?
479: [09:13:54] <terryapodaca> I'm gonna delete everything and install 3.1.14 and see if that does any better
480: [09:14:06] <wmk> there is already 3.1.14?
481: [09:14:33] <wmk> missed that
482: [09:20:32] <terryapodaca> yeah, someone told me about it yesterday
483: [09:20:53] <wmk> yup. sept. 14th according to packagist
484: [09:21:22] <kinglozzer> there is?
485: [09:21:25] <kinglozzer> damn :P
486: [09:21:35] <terryapodaca> and it's getting more and more dependent on Composer too
487: [09:21:37] <terryapodaca> scary
488: [09:21:38] <wmk> https://github.com/silverstripe/silverstripe-framework/blob/3.1.14/docs/en/04_Changelogs/3.1.14.md
489: [09:22:43] <kinglozzer> terryapodaca: That's a good thing! We love composer <3 :P
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491: [09:23:16] <terryapodaca> composer sucks ass
492: [09:23:47] <wmk> well, that's not so uncommon in some music scenes
493: [09:24:19] <kinglozzer> terryapodaca: BLASPHEMY
494: [09:24:23] <terryapodaca> ^ I see what you did there
495: [09:26:32] <wmk> Zauberfisch, have you tried 3.1.14? textcollector has changed a bit, i wonder if your betteri18n will be affected
496: [09:26:51] <wmk> https://github.com/silverstripe/silverstripe-framework/commit/a556b4854a44b9dfe86c40140ec03d781d354d19
497: [09:27:50] <Zauberfisch> not sure
498: [09:27:55] <Zauberfisch> haven't checked it yet
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503: [10:32:12] <terryapodaca> welp, 3.1.14 does't error like that, unless I add anything to the YAML config file
504: [10:36:35] <koentjuh1> How can is show the password of a member?
505: [10:37:14] <koentjuh1> with $Password i get the crypted password
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507: [10:39:27] <terryapodaca> that 's a very very bad idea and defeats the purpose
508: [10:40:19] <terryapodaca> Actually, I don't think you can
509: [10:43:29] <Colin[pi]> passwords are encrypted, you can't show them
510: [10:43:37] <Colin[pi]> (by design)
511: [10:48:43] <terryapodaca> exactly
512: [10:49:11] <swaiba> koentjuh1 what ^^^^ they said
513: [10:49:25] <koentjuh1> oke thanks
514: [10:49:43] <swaiba> HOWEVER if you are desperate to show it you can manually take the password, set it and then show it on screen before it is forgotten
515: [10:50:17] <swaiba> like show it just once after the posted, but it is horrible and only if client signs "I dont' care about security" type disclaimer :)
516: [10:50:56] <terryapodaca> yeah, so I wouldn't even give the client the options
517: [10:51:00] <terryapodaca> too much risk
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519: [11:27:57] <terryapodaca> How can I set the timezone for my SS without adding a module?
520: [11:28:16] <ss23> set it in _config.php?
521: [11:28:19] <ss23> or config.yml
522: [11:28:32] <terryapodaca> what's the YAML syntax?
523: [11:29:32] <ss23> Not sure
524: [11:37:02] <terryapodaca> Doesn't look like I can in 3.1+
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538: [14:57:52] <koentjuh1> i combined the js on my website: combine.js?m=1442501164
539: [14:58:08] <koentjuh1> but what is the: ?m=1442501164 behind?
540: [14:58:49] <koentjuh1> there are recommending me to: Remove query strings from static resources
541: [14:59:07] <koentjuh1> is this SS?
542: [15:02:21] <swaiba> koentjuh1 yep, its a timestamp
543: [15:02:34] <swaiba> this is used to know if it needs to regenerate it
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545: [15:07:03] <koentjuh1> ahh oke thnx
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547: [15:15:03] <vanny> hey guys
548: [15:19:54] <cloph> they mean remove changing query strings from static resources - but in this case they're added on purpose.
549: [15:20:22] <cloph> when the file changes, the parameter changes → the browser fetches the updated file, no matter what the cache setting was.
550: [15:24:31] <vanny> im playing with left and main, does anyone have a good advanced tutorial, on adding buttons, functions etc?
551: [15:25:58] <kinglozzer> vanny: I tend to use CMSSettingsController as an example of a basic edit form
552: [15:26:05] <kinglozzer> (it's responsible for the "Settings" section of the CMS)
553: [15:26:16] <kinglozzer> Beyond that, I'm not aware of any tutorials
554: [15:26:43] <kinglozzer> Others have recommended using this as an example before: https://github.com/unclecheese/silverstripe-dashboard. I've never looked at it though so I'm not sure
555: [15:27:02] <vanny> I am trying to build a backend for my client to manage some custom payments, class, reports etc, I could do my own full interface but someone said, use left and main
556: [15:27:30] <swaiba> I'd try and stick to ModelAdmin as much as possible vanny
557: [15:27:41] <swaiba> for Models of course
558: [15:27:59] <vanny> hehehehe
559: [15:28:04] <swaiba> fro really custom stuff, yeah I'd take an existing one and pull it apart see how it works... https://docs.silverstripe.org/en/3.1/developer_guides/customising_the_admin_interface/
560: [15:28:16] <swaiba> obviously review the docs as required
561: [15:30:00] <vanny> cool. I've done another full portal, but my user was older, so I had to build a seperate interface to manage it, very basic as she didnt want to learn anything new
562: [15:44:53] <vanny> Thanks for the dashboard link, I am playing with that now. Pity that the leftandmain.com site is gone. I would love to see some examples of it at work :)
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564: [16:03:50] <terryapodaca> in CSS, is using the * { somestyle: style; } still frowned upon?
565: [16:04:00] <terryapodaca> the global *
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571: [16:29:31] <kinglozzer> terryapodaca: Yes
572: [16:29:34] <kinglozzer> Naughty!
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574: [16:30:49] <kinglozzer> Though I'm being a massive hypocrite, because I'm constantly using * { box-sizing: border-box; } :P
575: [16:31:03] <kinglozzer> Anyway, home time
576: [16:31:11] <terryapodaca> Thats exactly why
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586: [16:59:26] <jamietotten> i'm having an extremely weird issue deleting a Data Object
587: [17:00:09] <jamietotten> in the model admin it appears as everything has been successful, however the Data Object still shows up in the front end page
588: [17:01:10] <jamietotten> i've tried creating a silverstipe-cache folder, flushing of course and nothing is helping
589: [17:05:03] <jamietotten> has anyone ever seen anything like this?
590: [17:14:40] <vanny> Did you check if the database tables still exist
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603: [18:53:08] <ss-helper> SilverStripe many to many translation issue - http://stackoverflow.com/questions/32637637/silverstripe-many-to-many-translation-issue
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610: [20:12:30] <ss-helper> code_dave: Welcome to #silverstripe! Please ask your questions but don't leave too soon, we are a busy lot.
611: [20:12:33] <code_dave> Hi all!
612: [20:13:23] <MarkGuinn> Good morning! I'm trying to get ss-shop tests to pass against framework/cms 4.0. The following line seems to be causing problems:
613: [20:13:29] <MarkGuinn> $this->checkout->handleRequest(new SS_HTTPRequest('GET', ""), DataModel::inst());
614: [20:13:59] <MarkGuinn> $this->checkout is a ContentController and under 3.1 and 3.2 the action etc are all set properly
615: [20:14:29] <MarkGuinn> But under 4.0 the getAction method on the controller returns null
616: [20:14:49] <MarkGuinn> Has there been any change in the way routing works that would cause that?
617: [20:14:57] <MarkGuinn> This is in a test btw.
618: [20:15:29] <code_dave> just having small dilemma by setting a limit to a dateime field (in a DataObject - getCMSFields) - I want the date entered to be not older then a week. But if editing again and not changing the value should not raise a failure, even if the date is older than a week?
619: [20:16:20] <code_dave> any idea for a smart solution for that?
620: [20:27:33] <muskie9> if I have translatable installed... and Page has_one Image... is it expected behavior for a translated version of the page to have a readonly field for the image relation, or should I be able to upload an image on the translated page
621: [20:30:34] <muskie9> code_dave are you wanting it to validate the value on save, or have the picker restrict the dates
622: [20:32:44] <muskie9> MarkGuinn I would guess there's a change in 4.0 as a lot will be changing in 4.0 from what I've read/heard
623: [20:40:53] <MarkGuinn> Apparently so. I can't find the difference in the SS_HTTPRequest or ContentController, Controller, or RequestHandler.
624: [20:46:14] <muskie9> does the DataModel::inst() need to be a class of some kind? I've never used ss-shop or really dug into handleRequest()
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628: [21:04:30] <code_dave> my idea: 1) I am restricting date picker for min and max date - but only if the date was empty
629: [21:05:08] <code_dave> 2) In my validator I am checking the date from data against the date from original record
630: [21:06:09] <code_dave> if the date was changed, it mean I have to check again: e.g. $limitDatePast = new Zend_Date( date('Y-m-d',strtotime("-1 week")) ); if( $newDate < $limitDatePast) //error
631: [21:07:27] <Zauberfisch> hey guys
632: [21:07:41] <antmas> Zauberfisch: o/
633: [21:08:03] <antmas> anyone noticed any issues with overflow:hidden on FF40+?
634: [21:08:05] <Zauberfisch> looking for someone who is familiar with ssdialog()
635: [21:08:31] * MichalKleiner yaaawns
636: [21:08:37] <MichalKleiner> morning
637: [21:08:59] <Stomach> MarkGuinn - what do you expect getAction to return, just a SS_HTTPRequest?
638: [21:09:08] <Zauberfisch> or in general someone familiar with jquery widgets I guess
639: [21:09:21] <Zauberfisch> mayby it's a widget question actually
640: [21:09:43] <Zauberfisch> I am looking for a close event
641: [21:10:10] <Zauberfisch> ah
642: [21:10:16] <Zauberfisch> I think I just figured it ouytt
643: [21:10:20] <Zauberfisch> out*
644: [21:11:09] <Zauberfisch> uh
645: [21:11:10] <Stomach> nice work Zauberfisch :D
646: [21:11:10] <Zauberfisch> nice
647: [21:11:32] <Zauberfisch> this is actually not that bad. the dialog extends the dialog widget
648: [21:11:38] <Zauberfisch> I can work with that
649: [21:11:53] <Zauberfisch> very good
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654: [21:16:52] <darjus001> Hi all why? [User Error] Uncaught Exception: Object->__call(): the method 'customize' does not exist on 'ProductCategoryController' code: http://www.sspaste.com/paste/show/55fb2dba2bed1
655: [21:17:57] <Zauberfisch> darjus001: $this->customise() ?
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657: [21:19:08] <darjus001> how embarasing :D
658: [21:19:21] <darjus001> thx
659: [21:19:29] <Zauberfisch> :P
660: [21:19:31] <Zauberfisch> np
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662: [21:22:19] <Zauberfisch> darjus001: I think both are actually valid
663: [21:22:27] <Zauberfisch> UK vs US english I guess
664: [21:22:55] <darjus001> mmm I am Lithuanian its just Language skill
665: [21:22:56] <darjus001> :D
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669: [21:33:05] <MarkGuinn> Stomach - getAction should return a string - in this case "index"
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671: [21:39:38] <darjus001> http://www.sspaste.com/paste/show/55fb32f9eae25 why ID phones?
672: [21:39:48] <darjus001> or something I cont understand
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675: [21:45:20] <DanaeNZ> Internets update. Chorus might be coming round to survey the site on the 9th of October. Maybe.
676: [21:50:01] <antmas> DanaeNZ: o/
677: [21:50:11] <DanaeNZ> \u
678: [21:50:17] <antmas> DanaeNZ: you're not being charged are you?
679: [21:50:17] <DanaeNZ> hm my head is weird
680: [21:50:19] <DanaeNZ> nah
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683: [21:53:23] <antmas> anyone recommened a mailchimp signup module?
684: [21:53:36] <antmas> I assume most people may use this? http://addons.silverstripe.org/add-ons/zirak/silverstripe-mailchimp
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690: [22:08:03] <antmas> we just did RWC sweepstakes
691: [22:08:07] * antmas got Japan
692: [22:08:12] <antmas> fml
693: [22:11:29] <Zauberfisch> Stomach: if I recall correctly, you used something like $this->beforeCMSFields or something in your module
694: [22:11:42] <Stomach> ?
695: [22:11:53] <Zauberfisch> is that a standard function of sitetree/dataobject or did you implement that yourself?
696: [22:11:59] <Zauberfisch> or am I just imagening things
697: [22:13:09] <Stomach> nah its standard
698: [22:13:09] <Zauberfisch> (talking about the blog module)
699: [22:13:55] <Stomach> just means that updatecmsfields can remove your stuff etc
700: [22:15:09] <Zauberfisch> ah, yes
701: [22:15:11] <Zauberfisch> just found it
702: [22:15:15] <Zauberfisch> thanks
703: [22:25:14] <DanaeNZ> oh man i love it when you get sent updated API documentation only the first one they sent you was way old and so this "updated" version has like 30 new endpoints
704: [22:25:23] <DanaeNZ> ffs
705: [22:29:16] <antmas> dude atleast you get some kind of API documentation
706: [22:29:18] <antmas> :(
707: [22:29:24] * antmas gets none
708: [22:30:34] <DanaeNZ> da fak
709: [22:30:47] <DanaeNZ> so you gotta do exploratory surgery
710: [22:30:56] <antmas> pretty much
711: [22:31:12] <antmas> or rely on some junior dev to explain the api by email
712: [22:31:16] <antmas> :|
713: [22:31:40] <antmas> protip: don't work with Wizbang
714: [22:31:44] <DanaeNZ> :| :| :| :| :|
715: [22:32:08] <Stomach> http://www.wizbangtechnologies.com/en/images/mainmenu_r6_c3.gif
716: [22:32:10] <Stomach> LOL
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719: [22:34:30] <antmas> Stomach: hahahaha
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721: [22:37:00] <vanny> hey guys, I was directed to the dashboard today, and started playing with it, pretty handy, I went to look at some of the videos and leftandmain.com is gone, did they end up anywhere else
722: [22:39:24] <antmas> vanny: are you looking for this maybe? http://www.silverstripe.org/learn/lessons/
723: [22:40:37] <vanny> I've watched all those and go back for refreshers every now and then.But this was what I was referring to https://github.com/unclecheese/silverstripe-dashboard/blob/master/README.md
724: [22:41:30] <antmas> oh right sorry
725: [22:44:52] <DanaeNZ> omg we got new phones
726: [22:45:00] <DanaeNZ> and you can change the ringtone to
727: [22:45:04] <DanaeNZ> gangnam style
728: [22:45:13] <DanaeNZ> JD keeps playing it
729: [22:45:18] <DanaeNZ> have to constantly dance party
730: [22:45:44] <antmas> I need a work phone
731: [22:45:56] <antmas> DanaeNZ: what phones do toast use?
732: [22:45:56] <DanaeNZ> I don't really want this phone
733: [22:46:01] <DanaeNZ> it means someone can call me
734: [22:46:02] <DanaeNZ> um
735: [22:46:08] <DanaeNZ> Polycom VVX300
736: [22:46:17] <antmas> oh a desk phone
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738: [22:46:20] <DanaeNZ> yes
739: [22:46:25] <antmas> I think we have similar ones
740: [22:46:26] <Colin[pi]> DanaeNZ: no
741: [22:46:26] <DanaeNZ> Colin[pi]: \o
742: [22:46:30] <DanaeNZ> hah
743: [22:46:31] <Colin[pi]> o/
744: [22:46:35] <antmas> Colin[pi]: o/
745: [22:46:45] <antmas> it's FRIIIIIDAY!
746: [22:46:45] <vanny> I have that phone.
747: [22:46:48] <Colin[pi]> o/'ing intensifies
748: [22:47:08] <Colin[pi]> antmas: ITS FRIDAY FRIDAY GETTIN DOWN ON FRIDAY
749: [22:47:08] <DanaeNZ> \o o/ \o o/ \o/
750: [22:47:20] <antmas> wait no, I have this https://www.telecomcreations.com/v/vspfiles/photos/780040-2.jpg
751: [22:47:23] <DanaeNZ> EVERYBODY'S LOOKIONG FORWARD TO THE WEEKEND WEEKEND
752: [22:47:35] <Colin[pi]> simon_w's fav track :D
753: [22:49:55] <antmas> oooooh I got a chocolate fish
754: [22:49:56] <antmas> \o/
755: [22:50:01] <antmas> today is a good day
756: [22:50:11] <Colin[pi]> what is this... fish of chocolate?
757: [22:50:19] <Colin[pi]> and why do I not have one?
758: [22:50:24] <Zauberfisch> antmas: don't fish!
759: [22:50:30] <Zauberfisch> fish are friends, not food!
760: [22:50:40] <antmas> BUT
761: [22:50:43] <Zauberfisch> no!
762: [22:50:58] <antmas> this a marshy fish
763: [22:50:58] <Colin[pi]> COME ONNN, JUST A BITE
764: [22:51:06] <antmas> it's not real life
765: [22:51:50] <Colin[pi]> the fuq is a marshy fish?
766: [22:51:59] <Zauberfisch> yeah, was about to ask that
767: [22:52:29] <antmas> marshmellow
768: [22:52:30] <antmas> :D
769: [22:52:40] * antmas isn't spelling that correctly
770: [22:52:57] <Zauberfisch> lol
771: [22:53:03] <Zauberfisch> I see
772: [22:53:10] <Colin[pi]> ohh
773: [22:53:45] <Zauberfisch> didn't you say it was chocolate just a second ago? Oo
774: [22:54:02] * Colin[pi] is confuse
775: [22:54:55] <antmas> :|
776: [22:55:06] <antmas> chocolate covered marshmellow fish
777: [22:55:16] <antmas> I can't believe I'm explaining that lol
778: [22:55:21] <Colin[pi]> don't believe I've ever seen that before :
779: [22:55:46] <Zauberfisch> yeah, your card house of lies is falling appart antmas!
780: [22:56:01] <antmas> I just tried to eat the whole thing at once http://imgur.com/XgEULeS
781: [22:56:17] <antmas> one of these things http://www.vln.school.nz/file/download/829170
782: [22:56:33] <Colin[pi]> jesus
783: [22:56:41] <Colin[pi]> I hope I don't ever see one of those floating in a bowl
784: [22:57:06] <antmas> I feel like I'm being trolled
785: [22:58:00] <Colin[pi]> antmas: come on, you can trust us http://i.imgur.com/e4kFS.gif
786: [22:58:41] <antmas> lol
787: [22:58:51] <antmas> would have been a perfect place for chickenbutt
788: [22:58:59] * Colin[pi] smacks forehead
789: [23:00:13] <antmas> wtf
790: [23:00:15] <antmas> WTF
791: [23:00:16] <antmas> OMG
792: [23:00:17] <antmas> NO
793: [23:00:19] <antmas> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWv1fL-YIm4
794: [23:00:28] <Zauberfisch> anyway, antmas: eating fish is bad and you should feel bad
795: [23:00:35] <Zauberfisch> and I have to go back to work
796: [23:01:01] <Colin[pi]> antmas: :|
797: [23:01:28] <Zauberfisch> antmas: well, it kind of makes sense
798: [23:01:45] <antmas> it does, but still
799: [23:02:00] <Colin[pi]> why is he defusing it with liquorice?
800: [23:02:05] <Zauberfisch> antmas: not that I play CS or care at all, but it makes perfect sense to me
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802: [23:02:21] <antmas> Colin[pi]: LOL
803: [23:02:44] <antmas> they could have at LEAST made it red liquorice
804: [23:02:47] <antmas> stupid devs
805: [23:02:52] <antmas> also
806: [23:03:00] <antmas> liquorice is a horrible word to type
807: [23:04:03] <Colin[pi]> antmas: it is indeed
808: [23:04:11] <Colin[pi]> also my gf really doesn't like it
809: [23:04:22] <Colin[pi]> (not common in brazil apparently)
810: [23:04:33] <antmas> mm I don't like it
811: [23:04:37] <antmas> however
812: [23:04:42] <antmas> red liquorice
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814: [23:04:50] <antmas> is like Jesus' tenticles
815: [23:04:52] <antmas> :D
816: [23:05:01] <Colin[pi]> read that as Jesus' testicles
817: [23:05:04] <Colin[pi]> was like o_O
818: [23:05:11] <antmas> so did I lol
819: [23:05:14] <Colin[pi]> LOL
820: [23:05:16] <antmas> not that that is any better than tenticles
821: [23:05:31] <Colin[pi]> you ever had the red licoridjvndcnee tube with the chocolate inside?
822: [23:05:48] <antmas> are you talking about Cherry Ripe?
823: [23:05:52] <antmas> if you are, then GTFO
824: [23:05:52] <Colin[pi]> no
825: [23:05:54] <Colin[pi]> no man
826: [23:06:07] <Colin[pi]> will find link
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828: [23:06:21] <antmas> Colin[pi]: this is important
829: [23:06:50] <Colin[pi]> http://www.redstonefoods.com/images/products/8070.jpg?1426260514
830: [23:06:54] <Colin[pi]> ^ amazeballs
831: [23:07:07] <antmas> hmmmm
832: [23:07:12] <antmas> I'll allow it
833: [23:07:31] <Colin[pi]> you're damn right you will
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835: [23:11:34] <antmas> http://i.imgur.com/mwQXLTC.gif
836: [23:13:58] <Colin[pi]> antmas: wat
837: [23:20:33] <madmatt> Colin[pi]: To be fair, defusing with liquorice is better than before, when you defused without hands
838: [23:21:00] <Colin[pi]> madmatt: that's true
839: [23:21:03] <madmatt> Colin[pi]: http://gamedesgining.lhmllc.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/A1171.jpg
840: [23:21:20] <Colin[pi]> using the force
841: [23:21:25] <antmas> it's *better* but it changes gameplay quite a lot
842: [23:21:56] <Colin[pi]> yeah esp on maps like dust 2
843: [23:22:02] <Colin[pi]> with a few diff places to hide
844: [23:22:26] <Colin[pi]> cobble would also be affected by this
845: [23:23:15] <madmatt> Yeah they're gonna have to fix some stuff. It's pretty much impossible to hit the B site boxes guy if he duckglitches now
846: [23:23:33] <madmatt> (dust2 that is)
847: [23:24:45] <antmas> is the defuse distance still the same?
848: [23:25:53] <Colin[pi]> assuming it is yea
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850: [23:27:26] <madmatt> There's a video about it - you can basically unduck, shoot, duck again and people in tunnels can't see your head, but you can dink them
851: [23:27:52] <antmas> oh lame
852: [23:28:34] <Colin[pi]> 28 bugs to fix on the wall, 28 bugs to fix, you take one down and fix it around, 33 bugs to fix on the wall
853: [23:30:52] <Stomach> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tGL-buZ94Y&t=0m8s
854: [23:33:11] <antmas> Stomach: so much love for that show
855: [23:33:26] <Stomach> antmas it rules :D
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858: [23:38:40] <Colin[pi]> this graphic is really eye opening: http://www.informationisbeautiful.net/visualizations/million-lines-of-code/
859: [23:39:25] <Colin[pi]> especially the car software, wtf
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861: [23:54:00] <antmas> what language is the car stuff generally written in?
862: [23:54:13] <antmas> because that just seems rediculous
863: [23:54:21] <Colin[pi]> I hope it's not javascript
864: [23:54:26] <antmas> LOL
865: [23:54:43] <antmas> like
866: [23:54:47] <Colin[pi]> .callback(function() { brakes.apply() });
867: [23:54:52] <antmas> why would it ever have more than an F35 Jet
868: [23:54:59] * kerozene quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)
869: [23:55:03] <Colin[pi]> ikr? I don't get it
870: [23:57:10] <antmas> apparently a lot of it is C or C++
871: [23:57:54] <Colin[pi]> so malloc probs, great
872: [23:58:10] <antmas> mm
873: [23:58:33] <Colin[pi]> I'd imagine that code must be rigorously tested though
874: [23:58:35] <antmas> like I know there are a lot of real world variables for a car to deal with and respond to
875: [23:58:40] <antmas> but more than a Jet?
876: [23:58:44] <Colin[pi]> imagine the code for the self-driving cars... urg
877: [23:58:58] <antmas> Colin[pi]: in some cases, self driving might be easier?
878: [23:59:17] <antmas> just put !important on all the things when the driver takes over
879: [23:59:19] <antmas> :P
880: [23:59:23] <Colin[pi]> lol
881: [23:59:52] <antmas> car.exe has stopped working

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