#silverstripe IRC Log

IRC log for 10 September 2015

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15: [01:05:51] <ss-helper> Convert old silverstripe form to SS 3 - http://stackoverflow.com/questions/32491316/convert-old-silverstripe-form-to-ss-3
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23: [01:53:58] <zippy> so in a summaryfields, I can do 'Something.Nice'
24: [01:54:05] <zippy> but not 'Something.Format(js M Y)'
25: [02:01:46] <Colin[pi]> zippy: no because summary fields hates you
26: [02:02:15] <Colin[pi]> zippy: do something like 'FormattedSomething' and call a method
27: [02:02:26] <zippy> yea did, feels nasty thou
28: [02:02:59] <Colin[pi]> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
29: [02:03:04] <Colin[pi]> gotta do what ya gotta do
30: [02:06:32] <zippy> sick kids are a PITA eh
31: [02:10:11] <Colin[pi]> zippy: :(
32: [02:11:07] <Colin[pi]> those few years my kid spent at child care were the sickest I have ever been in my life
33: [02:12:26] <zippy> lol mm
34: [02:12:39] <zippy> thankfully, me and wife not sick just the kids, but that still sucks
35: [02:13:02] <Colin[pi]> oh you will be... *you willlll beee* /yodavoice
36: [02:14:18] <DanaeNZ> bloody sick kids
37: [02:17:09] <Colin[pi]> DanaeNZ: they touch.... everything
38: [02:17:17] <Colin[pi]> and put everything in their mouth
39: [02:17:20] <DanaeNZ> ew
40: [02:17:21] <Colin[pi]> and they're always sticky
41: [02:17:41] <DanaeNZ> D:
42: [02:17:45] <DanaeNZ> D: D: D: D: D: D: D:
43: [02:17:52] <Colin[pi]> constantly telling my kid to keep his hands out of his mouth
44: [02:17:58] <Colin[pi]> then he gets sick
45: [02:18:03] <Colin[pi]> I FUCKIN TOLD YOU SO
46: [02:18:05] <Colin[pi]> ;P
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49: [02:32:06] <spronk> damn el capitan
50: [02:36:39] <helenclarko> spronk, More info Please... Has it been released, issues?
51: [02:36:45] <spronk> sept 30
52: [02:36:45] <spronk> :<
53: [02:36:49] <spronk> but yeah
54: [02:36:53] <zippy> spronk: yer :(
55: [02:36:55] <spronk> should be decent
56: [02:37:00] <helenclarko> :(
57: [02:37:01] <spronk> Metal comes to osx
58: [02:37:16] <spronk> which might fiiiinally fix the fucking ridicuilous multiscreen lag
59: [02:37:16] <helenclarko> I hope it improves boot time.
60: [02:37:24] <spronk> boot time?
61: [02:37:25] <spronk> you have issues with boot time!?
62: [02:38:31] <helenclarko> On Yosemite, I've read everything.
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64: [02:39:59] <spronk> hmm
65: [02:40:00] <spronk> what mac?
66: [02:40:06] <spronk> yosemite on my machine boots in ~5sec
67: [02:40:18] <helenclarko> I've reset SMC and PRAM...
68: [02:40:24] <spronk> what mac?
69: [02:40:31] <helenclarko> No SSD though which could be the problem.
70: [02:40:34] <spronk> oh
71: [02:40:34] <spronk> yeah
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73: [02:40:40] <spronk> why on earth do you not have an ssd?
74: [02:40:40] <spronk> get one
75: [02:40:42] <spronk> right now.
76: [02:40:44] <spronk> it'll change your life.
77: [02:40:54] <spronk> i am not exaggerating this
78: [02:41:08] <zippy> ^ yeap
79: [02:41:11] <helenclarko> It just never took this longer on earlier versions of OSX.
80: [02:41:12] <zippy> and they are much cheaper now
81: [02:41:24] <zippy> regardless, the difference is huge
82: [02:41:25] <helenclarko> but 5 seconds would be nice.
83: [02:41:38] <spronk> srs
84: [02:41:43] <zippy> opening apps etc, go get one
85: [02:41:45] <spronk> ssd is biggest difference you can make to a computer in the last 20 years
86: [02:41:49] <helenclarko> Yea, I'm on SSD here at work.
87: [02:42:01] <DanaeNZ> I think I'm running a hybrid
88: [02:42:04] <DanaeNZ> still good tho
89: [02:42:09] <DanaeNZ> fast PHPStorm + boot
90: [02:42:16] <spronk> ughh
91: [02:42:17] <spronk> jetbrains
92: [02:42:18] <spronk> :!@
93: [02:42:19] <DanaeNZ> fast adobe products too
94: [02:42:23] <DanaeNZ> whahahaha
95: [02:42:24] <spronk> subscription IDEs
96: [02:42:25] <helenclarko> Kinda nice just clicking the icons and having programs open without any wait time.
97: [02:42:26] <spronk> dickheads
98: [02:42:35] <zippy> spronk: yea thats bad move eh, I think they will reverse..
99: [02:42:39] <DanaeNZ> Company pays, meh
100: [02:42:46] <DanaeNZ> They've been sub based for ages tho
101: [02:42:47] <zippy> fyi; https://twitter.com/PhpStormTips
102: [02:42:50] <spronk> nahh
103: [02:42:52] <spronk> you buy a licence
104: [02:42:55] <spronk> then you buy an upgrade 2 versions later
105: [02:43:09] <spronk> because you almost never need each new version
106: [02:43:16] <spronk> because they change fuck all
107: [02:43:28] <DanaeNZ> you can also just use the EAP
108: [02:43:32] <DanaeNZ> bugs tho
109: [02:43:33] <spronk> ?
110: [02:43:41] <DanaeNZ> early access program
111: [02:43:44] <DanaeNZ> you get it free
112: [02:43:49] <DanaeNZ> but you're basically a beta tester
113: [02:43:56] <DanaeNZ> not necessarily a bad thing
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115: [02:45:40] <spronk> but yeah
116: [02:45:43] <spronk> their retail price is very very expensive
117: [02:45:55] <spronk> $119/year for phpstorm?
118: [02:46:12] <spronk> it's not only more expensive than the old licences, they'll turn off your access 30 days after you stop paying :|
119: [02:46:53] <spronk> i don't get why they can't offer both though
120: [02:47:04] <spronk> subscription and perpetual
121: [02:47:12] <spronk> maybe because it would make their perpetual pricing look cheap hah
122: [02:47:32] <zippy> fyi, they followed up; http://blog.jetbrains.com/blog/2015/09/04/we-are-listening/
123: [02:47:36] <spronk> mm
124: [02:47:37] <spronk> i know
125: [02:47:40] <spronk> basically ther
126: [02:47:47] <spronk> "fuck, fuck, what do we do, fuck"
127: [02:47:56] <spronk> at least their response was better than adobe's
128: [02:47:57] <spronk> "fuck you"
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130: [02:49:05] <zippy> yeap, I pay adobe $9 a month now.....
131: [02:51:33] <spronk> $9?
132: [02:51:40] <zippy> yea for photoshop
133: [02:51:48] <spronk> ahh
134: [02:53:50] <spronk> that special deal
135: [02:53:58] <spronk> where you get both for less than just photoshop on its own
136: [02:53:58] <spronk> sigh
137: [02:54:01] <spronk> great pricing adobe
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140: [03:04:33] <Colin[pi]> yes, yesss composer, that's it, go slower... yesssss
141: [03:04:40] <Colin[pi]> I love it, yesss
142: [03:05:18] <spronk> gooood
143: [03:05:24] <spronk> gooood
144: [03:05:26] <spronk> let the hate flow
145: [03:05:44] <Colin[pi]> fuckin 5 mins on a simple require
146: [03:06:53] <zippy> dat AU internet eh!
147: [03:07:08] <Colin[pi]> zippy: sshh, we don't mention that here, it's a bad word
148: [03:08:00] <spronk> yeahhh
149: [03:08:03] <spronk> im getting sick of composer
150: [03:08:04] <spronk> its way too slow
151: [03:08:13] <spronk> moving between it and npm and maven
152: [03:08:14] <spronk> its absurd
153: [03:08:19] <Colin[pi]> mm
154: [03:08:22] <Colin[pi]> like
155: [03:08:24] <Colin[pi]> I get it
156: [03:08:26] <Colin[pi]> we need it
157: [03:08:28] <Colin[pi]> it works
158: [03:08:30] <Colin[pi]> but so slooooow
159: [03:11:46] <spronk> yeah
160: [03:11:51] <spronk> mainly for me its updating the cache
161: [03:11:57] <spronk> hopefully php7 will speed it up, hhvm speeds it up a bit
162: [03:12:09] <Colin[pi]> mm
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166: [03:33:27] <spronk> oo
167: [03:33:29] <spronk> suddenly got all dark here
168: [03:33:39] <spronk> ion storm's a'comin
169: [03:35:41] <xyphoid> where are you, chch?
170: [03:35:53] <xyphoid> we're all looking out the window here going ooooh ahhh oh wait we left washing out
171: [03:40:52] <spronk> ya, chch
172: [03:41:02] <spronk> you in chch?
173: [03:41:57] <xyphoid> yep
174: [03:42:02] <spronk> mm
175: [03:42:04] <spronk> warm
176: [03:42:04] <spronk> then
177: [03:42:04] <spronk> DARK
178: [03:42:14] <xyphoid> it's really apocalyptic-looking
179: [03:42:48] <spronk> mmlol
180: [03:47:41] <helenclarko> WOW, just got dark here.
181: [03:47:59] <spronk> whereabouts are you?
182: [03:48:02] <helenclarko> Now I know what you are talking about.
183: [03:48:12] <helenclarko> Rangiora
184: [03:48:17] <spronk> ah
185: [03:48:18] <spronk> :D
186: [03:48:57] <spronk> i *was* going to walk down to subway
187: [03:49:02] <spronk> now
188: [03:49:04] <spronk> i am not.
189: [03:49:15] <spronk> :(
190: [03:49:55] <zippy> dark like, independance day?
191: [03:50:09] <spronk> jaja
192: [03:50:12] <spronk> aliems
193: [03:50:17] <zippy> I think you guys are in for a chunder storm
194: [03:50:23] <zippy> *thunder
195: [03:50:37] <DanaeNZ> CHUNDER STORM
196: [03:50:38] <DanaeNZ> LOL
197: [03:50:44] <DanaeNZ> ALSO EUGH
198: [03:50:47] <spronk> hah
199: [03:54:29] <zippy> spronk: thunders?
200: [03:54:38] <spronk> boom
201: [04:00:58] <helenclarko> Really Windy!
202: [04:03:15] <zippy> herm
203: [04:03:28] <zippy> for some readon, in my model admin / grids on production there is no breadcrumbs
204: [04:03:30] <zippy> but locally.. there is
205: [04:04:15] <zippy> seems the whole 'cms-content-header north' div is missing, weird
206: [04:08:16] <helenclarko> spronk, Such a weird event, I'm almost back to blue skies. Except that the wind has really picked up.
207: [04:08:29] <spronk> heh
208: [04:08:30] <spronk> yeah
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210: [04:11:44] <zippy> ok so flush=all fixed the breadcrumbs
211: [04:11:50] <zippy> flush=1 - not so much
212: [04:25:42] <Tanger> zippy: I thoughbt it didn't make a difference on 3.1?
213: [04:26:10] <Tanger> Last time I checked, it just checked for flush as a get variable
214: [04:26:58] <DanaeNZ> i don't even put anything in
215: [04:27:03] <DanaeNZ> just go ?flush
216: [04:28:58] <helenclarko> spronk, OH, IT GETS DARKER!?
217: [04:29:03] <spronk> wat?!
218: [04:29:43] <helenclarko> spronk, I may not have had the shade of dark you had... I sure do now haha.
219: [04:30:12] <spronk> :D
220: [04:30:13] <spronk> yeah
221: [04:30:15] <spronk> it got pretty mad dark
222: [04:30:30] <DanaeNZ> which way is this storm going u____u
223: [04:30:36] <DanaeNZ> I wanna walk home today
224: [04:30:51] <helenclarko> North I guess.
225: [04:31:00] <DanaeNZ> nuuuu
226: [04:31:08] <helenclarko> Its currently over north canterbury.
227: [04:32:57] <helenclarko> but its kind of Batman cool. Very dark and mysterious!
228: [04:34:21] <zippy> Tanger: it seemed to with this
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232: [04:45:34] <helenclarko> Now internet issues! Damn you chunder storm!
233: [04:46:08] <Guest40860> helenclarko: The internet is not waterproof in Bangkok, quite often blips or goes down in heavy rain
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236: [04:53:03] <helenclarko> Guest40860, Thats where you are?
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238: [04:54:32] <Guest40860> helenclarko: Next province NW, Nonthaburi
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240: [04:59:19] <nontgor> helenclarko: Ha and my username had changed to an internet blip (currently raining)
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255: [06:39:45] <David___> - Installing simonwelsh/gridfieldrelationhandler (dev-master 780e69d) Cloning 780e69db7067f98851fdc09a1594457d74be480a Authentication required (git.simon.geek.nz): Username:
256: [06:40:03] <David___> anyone know what's going on with this module?
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272: [07:44:18] <wmk> anyone made some dns validation for emailfield?
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275: [07:52:46] <swaiba> wmk - like this - if(!empty($domain) && !(function_exists('checkdnsrr') && !checkdnsrr($domain,'MX'))) ?
276: [07:53:07] <wmk> swaiba, yup. just testing something like that, but it's not returning anything
277: [07:53:50] <wmk> swaiba, i've seen some mails from our contact form are not processed due to a wrong domain name or typo
278: [07:54:53] <swaiba> it's been in our code base for years, in fact got me thinking about a bug we have...
279: [07:55:08] <wmk> ah, now it works.
280: [07:55:20] <wmk> swaiba, custom validation on your form or plugged to email field?
281: [07:55:35] <swaiba> deep in the sending logic for email
282: [07:55:40] <wmk> ok
283: [07:56:12] <wmk> well, i'd like an ajax validation that checks for domain and errors to customer if he made a typo
284: [07:56:45] <wmk> swaiba, http://php.net/manual/en/function.checkdnsrr.php#113537
285: [07:56:58] <wmk> for utf-8 domains you'd need idn_to_ascii
286: [07:57:11] <swaiba> how about... https://documentation.mailgun.com/api-email-validation.html
287: [07:57:56] <swaiba> it's got a jquery validator
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292: [07:59:19] <wmk> swaiba, hmm, looks good
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295: [08:00:25] <wmk> is that just for validating?
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297: [08:01:37] <swaiba> wmk - yeah, but you can obviously buy thier service
298: [08:01:59] <swaiba> we use sendgrid and support mailgun, just no one using that service as we have set them all up on sendgrid
299: [08:03:28] <wmk> 'did you mean' sounds useful
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301: [08:07:37] <swaiba> yeah, would be nice to have that as an option for an SS email field, but I've not got round to using it in over a year
302: [08:08:34] <zippy> swaiba: you use a module for sendgirid?
303: [08:10:45] <swaiba> heavily hacked version of smtp mailer - yep
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305: [08:11:44] <wmk> what's sendgrid?
306: [08:12:19] <wmk> just another smtp service?
307: [08:14:18] <zippy> pretty much
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309: [08:18:05] <wmk> swaiba, well, https://github.com/zytzagoo/smtp-validate-email could do also. dunno how performant it is.
310: [08:18:37] <wmk> with ajax it might take some seconds and we'd need to cache the result for php validation afterwards
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318: [08:39:12] <darjus01> Hi all in SS page init function how to check if its HomePage or its ContactPage?
319: [08:39:35] <kinglozzer> darjus01: if ($this->data() instanceof HomePage)
320: [08:40:00] <zippy> if ($this->ClassName == 'HomePage'
321: [08:40:56] <wmk> darjus01, well, you should put HomePage specific stuff in HomePage_Controller
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323: [08:42:24] <darjus01> THX all :)
324: [08:45:35] <swaiba> wmk, well I'd go with the mailgun service instead of more php to support, but I've done niether anayway :)
325: [08:46:03] <zippy> wmk: agree
326: [08:52:59] <wmk> this "gridfield inline editing" from gridfieldextensions: is it supposed to save when i leave to the next column?
327: [08:53:08] <wmk> or just save when i save the page?
328: [08:55:18] <Zauberfi1ch> wmk: on page save
329: [08:55:32] <Zauberfi1ch> no ajax involved there I think
330: [08:55:50] <Zauberfi1ch> I think even reordering is saved on save when you use inline editing
331: [08:55:57] <Zauberfi1ch> but not sure about that one
332: [08:58:31] <wmk> Zauberfi1ch, hmm, then i think i better don't use that functionality
333: [08:59:04] <wmk> would be nice to have, but i guess it'll make more trouble
334: [08:59:06] <wmk> thanks for the info
335: [08:59:23] <Zauberfi1ch> wmk: if it is that critical, double check it
336: [08:59:26] <Zauberfi1ch> I might be wrong
337: [09:00:17] <wmk> just tested it and it didn't send any ajax calls
338: [09:02:47] <kinglozzer> wmk, Zauberfi1ch: inline editing is on page save, re-ordering is ajax
339: [09:03:14] <Zauberfi1ch> kinglozzer: does that also include for reordering of inline edited records?
340: [09:03:21] <wmk> kinglozzer, thanks for clarification
341: [09:03:37] <Zauberfi1ch> it would make sense to disable ajax at that point, becaose some records might not be in the database yet
342: [09:03:37] <kinglozzer> Zauberfi1ch: I have no idea! :P
343: [09:03:53] <Zauberfi1ch> so how would you ajax reorder records that don't exist yet
344: [09:04:09] <kinglozzer> Zauberfi1ch: Ah, you can't reorder them, it removes the drag handle
345: [09:05:06] <Zauberfi1ch> I see
346: [09:16:13] <Tanger> Hey guys, does anybody know of a more intuitive way to handle multiple lines of text (each saved as a separate object in the db), where each line is added via inline Gridfield editing?
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348: [09:20:52] <zippy> Tanger: I just use a TextAreaField
349: [09:21:00] <zippy> and then on display on front end, explode and make an array list
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352: [09:25:01] <Vedran__> whats the method to get a form to post to a different url?
353: [09:25:11] <Vedran__> I cant seem to find it in docs
354: [09:25:12] <Vedran__> :/
355: [09:26:22] <wmk> Vedran__, http://api.silverstripe.org/3.1/class-Form.html#_setFormAction
356: [09:26:23] <kinglozzer> Vedran__: $form->setFormAction()?
357: [09:26:25] <kinglozzer> ^^
358: [09:26:42] <kinglozzer> You're too fast wmk ;)
359: [09:27:03] <wmk> well...
360: [09:27:08] <wmk> u2?
361: [09:28:03] <Vedran__> thanks wmk / kinglozzer
362: [09:28:04] <Vedran__> :D
363: [09:31:46] <wmk> Vedran__, you're welcome
364: [09:33:13] <Vedran__> http://kopy.io/IoCap what am I doing wrong? :/
365: [09:35:07] <Vedran__> ok...
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367: [09:35:16] <wmk> Vedran__, got it?
368: [09:35:17] <Vedran__> lol returning the correct thing may help :)
369: [09:35:32] <wmk> oh, the old pebkac error?
370: [09:35:33] <Vedran__> yer, I got it. Thanks :)
371: [09:35:38] <Vedran__> pebkac?
372: [09:35:55] <Vedran__> also I think i needed the ; after the return...
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376: [09:46:38] <wmk> lool https://i.imgur.com/FTBUEXF.png
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378: [09:49:15] <Vedran__> one more question...
379: [09:49:41] <Vedran__> using map, in a select. Its mapping the ID inside the Option. How can I map a different field?
380: [09:50:11] <wmk> map('Field1', 'Field2)
381: [09:50:16] <wmk> see api docs
382: [09:50:28] <wmk> DataList / map
383: [09:51:08] <Vedran__> ta
384: [09:51:27] <ss-helper> Silverstripe if else loop - http://stackoverflow.com/questions/32498398/silverstripe-if-else-loop
385: [09:52:33] <Vedran__> and on that... I be off. Thanks wmk and kinglozzer!! :D
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389: [09:56:12] <kinglozzer> lol wmk
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391: [09:56:19] <kinglozzer> @ pencil :P
392: [09:56:23] <wmk> ah
393: [09:56:39] <kinglozzer> the new iPad seems a bit... weird
394: [09:56:50] <kinglozzer> like, at that size why would you not just use a laptop? :\
395: [09:57:10] <kinglozzer> Should've put OSX on it instead of iOS ;D
396: [09:57:24] <wmk> kinglozzer, https://pbs.twimg.com/media/COenroJWEAAjLoi.jpg:large
397: [09:57:34] <wmk> (c) claims it's from 2012
398: [09:58:00] <kinglozzer> Hahaha
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419: [11:06:27] <ss-helper> Migration to SilverStripe 3.0 and Zend_Translate - http://stackoverflow.com/questions/32500013/migration-to-silverstripe-3-0-and-zend-translate
420: [11:07:41] <terryapodaca> Colin[pi]: ping me when you can, I know it's late where you are...but it's 6:00 am for me on Thursday. So when you get online (Friday morning your time) ping me will ya?
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440: [13:33:00] <swaiba> wmk with your languaging have you set a language string using Config::inst()->update('de_AT','somelable','somestring');
441: [13:33:14] <swaiba> well, using *something* like that :)
442: [13:37:43] <wmk> i always use .yml files
443: [13:37:49] <wmk> and flush
444: [13:37:56] <wmk> if you need to overwrite something, put it in mysite/lang
445: [13:38:06] <wmk> there you can overwrite translations from other modules
446: [13:38:17] <wmk> swaiba, ^^
447: [13:38:39] <wmk> afaik lang isn't cached in Config::inst()
448: [13:38:42] <wmk> seperate system
449: [13:38:56] <swaiba> cheers wmk, oh dear I've lied on the forum...
450: [13:39:05] <wmk> harr harr
451: [13:39:05] <swaiba> http://www.silverstripe.org/community/forums/form-questions/reply/104937
452: [13:39:29] <wmk> wow, is forum now login-only?
453: [13:41:03] <muskie9> wmk, just noticed the same thing
454: [13:41:17] <wmk> maybe anti spam, not bad ;)
455: [13:42:24] <wmk> well, swaiba you can set the current language for _t() i18n::set_locale($locale);
456: [13:42:45] <wmk> see Fluent::install_locale() for a more advanced example
457: [13:43:01] <wmk> it also calles setlocale() for e.g. dates
458: [13:43:16] <swaiba> ah yeah, I shouldn't have opened my oversized mouth
459: [13:43:26] <wmk> well, if it looks funny
460: [13:43:42] <swaiba> but it's all good to know as eventually I'll put our software in multilingual again
461: [13:44:03] <wmk> and learing by helping is good, isn't it?
462: [13:45:32] <swaiba> wmk, sometimes it's the only way
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466: [14:03:38] <jcwacky> I know I can do $MyList.First to get the first item, but how can I get the third?
467: [14:05:21] <kinglozzer> jcwacky: $MyList.Limit(999999, 3).First
468: [14:05:27] <kinglozzer> Yeah, you do have to do 99999 :(
469: [14:05:36] <kinglozzer> (because 3.1 doesn't support null limits)
470: [14:05:49] <jcwacky> Ah, ha. Ok, that’ll do! :P Cheers!
471: [14:05:56] <kinglozzer> jcwacky: oooh wait
472: [14:06:00] <swaiba> kinglozzer not $MyList.offset(3) ?
473: [14:06:03] <kinglozzer> You might be able to do $MyList.OffsetGet(3)
474: [14:06:04] <kinglozzer> ^^
475: [14:06:08] <kinglozzer> :D
476: [14:06:10] <swaiba> :D
477: [14:07:28] <jcwacky> Hmm, doens’t seem to like ti.
478: [14:11:48] <kinglozzer> jcwacky: $MyList.offsetGet(3).Title ?
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480: [14:11:52] <kinglozzer> That should work
481: [14:12:16] <kinglozzer> If not, you can just do $MyList.Limit(1, 3).First, as you're only using 1 item you don't need 9999 after all ;d
482: [14:12:50] <jcwacky> Thanks Loz, that makes sense.
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485: [14:20:16] <swaiba> hmmm
486: [14:22:04] <swaiba> how to make a form with an ID as a field... so... http://www.sspaste.com/paste/show/55f1920757051
487: [14:22:50] <swaiba> I get a [Notice] Undefined property: SS_HTTPRequest::$ID upon submit because $obj becomes a SS_HTTPRequest
488: [14:23:44] <kinglozzer> swaiba: hm?
489: [14:23:50] <kinglozzer> What's $obj supposed to be?
490: [14:24:10] <swaiba> like a data object
491: [14:24:21] <swaiba> so I can make many of these forms with different ID's
492: [14:26:03] <kinglozzer> swaiba: Ah, I see, you could add it as a second arg
493: [14:26:39] <kinglozzer> and just pass null as the first
494: [14:30:15] <swaiba> kinglozzer not a bad idea, but getting a nice white screen now
495: [14:31:11] <swaiba> upon submitting the form, just the domain/controller/SomeForm
496: [14:31:27] <swaiba> but it does appear to have actioned... hmmm maybe a redirect back...
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498: [14:32:41] <swaiba> ah yes, a redirect back, thanks kinglozzer
499: [14:33:15] <kinglozzer> Cool, my other suggestion would be to set the value after you create the form - $form = $foo->SomeForm(); $form->loadDataFrom($obj) or something
500: [14:33:54] <kinglozzer> Dunno which is "better" :P
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502: [14:41:25] <muskie9> when a flush is run, should that regenerate combined requirements every time?
503: [14:43:04] <wmk> nope
504: [14:43:18] <wmk> those should check if a file has changed
505: [14:44:34] <muskie9> gotcha, if it's not generating a new one (when files have changed) probably easiest to zap the combined file and have it regenerate it
506: [14:44:45] <wmk> ;)
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510: [14:47:43] <swaiba> kinglozzer - ha - I think that is better actually - thanks again
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529: [18:19:39] <darjus01> Hi all what is wrong with this combine efford of me? http://www.sspaste.com/paste/show/55f1c98151c97 it still generates seperite file links in js
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537: [18:53:56] <Arcax> Hi !!! Someone know how to change the icon from web (favicon)?
538: [18:53:57] <Arcax> I tried thousand ways but i can't do it.
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541: [19:22:05] <cloph> just put a favicon in the webroot. or explicitly add <link rel="shortcut icon" href="/path/to/your/favicon.image" /> to your html template
542: [19:30:20] <Arcax> cloph, the icon need a specify format? or dimensions?
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544: [19:31:39] <cloph> depends on browser - png gif and ico should be fine for all, svg or jpg are only supported by some. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Favicon#File_format_support
545: [19:32:06] <cloph> should be square, and suitable for display in the browser's tab
546: [19:33:08] <cloph> if you want to add special support for apple devices (for use as a bookmark icon or similar) - see https://developer.apple.com/library/ios/documentation/AppleApplications/Reference/SafariWebContent/ConfiguringWebApplications/ConfiguringWebApplications.html
547: [19:45:18] <darjus01> Hi all what is wrong with this combine efford of me? http://www.sspaste.com/paste/show/55f1c98151c97 it still generates seperite file links in js
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549: [19:49:34] <r3v3rb> howdy
550: [19:50:23] <r3v3rb> any idea why $Content.LimitWordCount(10) returns the alt text from an image at the top of the content section?
551: [19:50:50] <r3v3rb> If place an image as the first item in the content area
552: [19:50:51] <cloph> darjus01: did you flush?
553: [19:51:45] <darjus01> flush dev flush
554: [19:52:58] <cloph> in dev mode combining is disabled
555: [19:53:10] <darjus01> ohh
556: [19:53:29] <darjus01> dah in doc not said that :/
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558: [19:58:53] <darjus01> cloph: thx for info
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561: [20:22:04] <Arcax> cloph, thanks so much for help, i had to search my web in another browser because the icon was not updated (i removed the cache, history, flushdns and nothing). The solution was check it on other laptop and other browser.
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567: [20:47:10] <antmas> le moin moin all o/
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571: [20:55:33] <antmas> Stomach: chocolatemoose willr o/ mornin
572: [20:55:56] <chocolatemoose> \o 'morning
573: [20:55:59] <Stomach> \o
574: [20:56:00] <willr> howdey
575: [20:56:17] <willr> Friday!
576: [20:56:24] <antmas> w00t!
577: [20:56:42] * antmas looks at days left before daylight savings
578: [20:57:12] <chocolatemoose> forgot that that's a thing here :(
579: [20:57:28] <antmas> so, 27th
580: [20:57:34] <antmas> lose an hour sleep?
581: [20:57:44] <antmas> I never remember
582: [20:58:05] <chocolatemoose> goes forward an hour
583: [20:58:10] <antmas> mm
584: [20:58:11] <chocolatemoose> so yes
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588: [21:05:06] <antmas> MichalKleiner: zippy o/ mornin
589: [21:05:11] <zippy> morning
590: [21:05:26] <antmas> zippy: awesome day out
591: [21:05:38] <zippy> looks it
592: [21:05:51] <zippy> go for a run at lunch I think
593: [21:06:37] <antmas> mm, am hoping things will warm up soon
594: [21:06:44] <antmas> hasn't really been that cold for a week or so
595: [21:09:02] <Pyromanik> chocolatemoose, thing here? as opposed to...?
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598: [21:12:33] <chocolatemoose> I'm from the part of Canada that doesn't observe DST
599: [21:12:42] <chocolatemoose> there are a few other places in the world that don't either
600: [21:12:59] <Pyromanik> Yeah, I'm aware, I was just wondering which specifically :>
601: [21:13:09] <chocolatemoose> ah
602: [21:13:10] <chocolatemoose> Saskatoon, SK :p
603: [21:13:14] <chocolatemoose> middle of nowhere
604: [21:13:34] <Pyromanik> hmm, I think I have a mate out there
605: [21:15:13] <Pyromanik> oh, it's an entire state away. But still in the middle of nowhere (slave lake)
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607: [21:16:02] <chocolatemoose> does he happen to work in the oil industry? :p
608: [21:16:22] <Pyromanik> Nup, computer tech.
609: [21:17:15] <chocolatemoose> ah, just asking because he's pretty close to all the tar sands stuff
610: [21:17:26] <Pyromanik> hmm, wasn't aware.
611: [21:17:40] <Pyromanik> NFI how he ended up all the way out there.
612: [21:17:50] <Pyromanik> beyond marrying a canadian chick he met in aussie.
613: [21:17:57] * Pyromanik shrugs
614: [21:17:57] <chocolatemoose> haha
615: [21:18:13] <chocolatemoose> my girlfriend is from England, we met in Aussie too
616: [21:18:14] <Pyromanik> Maybe her folks are from there somewhere. Don't get that impression though, so IDK.
617: [21:18:19] <Pyromanik> haha
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623: [21:39:39] <Arcax> Good nights, thanks for help =D !!!
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625: [21:43:32] <MichalKleiner> antmas: hai
626: [21:46:52] <Stomach> SMTP relay - what module?
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637: [22:16:02] * antmas is acting as web content editor today
638: [22:16:03] <antmas> fml
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641: [22:22:20] <DanaeNZ> afternoon
642: [22:22:45] <antmas> DanaeNZ: ahoy o/
643: [22:22:56] <DanaeNZ> we made it it's friiiday
644: [22:23:20] <antmas> huzzah!
645: [22:23:22] <Pyromanik> I'm mad.
646: [22:23:29] <Pyromanik> fuck fridays.
647: [22:23:32] <antmas> lol
648: [22:24:09] <antmas> you could say you're...
649: [22:24:14] <antmas> manik?
650: [22:24:18] <antmas> :D
651: [22:26:20] <Pyromanik> Only on mondays.
652: [22:26:46] <Pyromanik> I be all "Just another manik monday. Wooh wooooh"
653: [22:27:04] <Pyromanik> wish it was sunday, or something
654: [22:27:16] <Pyromanik> but tbh, fuck sundays. Just remind you that work is coming around tomorrow.
655: [22:27:33] <Pyromanik> It's like a day off but you gotta go to bed early and restrict your activities like it was a school day.
656: [22:27:41] <Pyromanik> it's a liar.
657: [22:27:53] <antmas> mm
658: [22:27:56] <antmas> Sunday's suck
659: [22:28:13] <Pyromanik> Saturday isn't long enough to get rid of all the stress.
660: [22:28:28] <Pyromanik> plus there's always that nagging feeling that you should be out actually getting some shit done.
661: [22:28:39] <Pyromanik> can't fuck'n wait to get back home where I don't gotta do shit.
662: [22:28:51] <micmania1> Pyromanik: LOL ^ yeah, right
663: [22:29:06] <Pyromanik> ?
664: [22:29:07] <DanaeNZ> so all the days suck?
665: [22:29:12] <Pyromanik> basically, yeah.
666: [22:29:19] <micmania1> “I don't gotta do shit.”
667: [22:29:53] <Pyromanik> well, besides find a job and a place to live and learn to cook and all that shit...
668: [22:30:02] <Pyromanik> idk.
669: [22:30:57] <Pyromanik> seems easier than touring the countryside looking at castles 'n stuff.
670: [22:31:55] <antmas> you gotta do shit in nz too
671: [22:32:14] <antmas> but it's bascially just learn how to rant about flags and John Key
672: [22:32:23] <antmas> the important things
673: [22:32:37] <Pyromanik> yeah, so nothing really.
674: [22:32:43] <Pyromanik> I can already do that.
675: [22:33:15] <Pyromanik> Flag is a stupid waste of money and an exercise in foolish politics.
676: [22:33:35] <Pyromanik> s/Flag/John Key/
677: [22:33:45] <antmas> annnd done!
678: [22:34:00] <antmas> Pyromanik: Earns 1x Social White Knight points boost
679: [22:35:10] * Stomach quit (Quit: zzz)
680: [22:35:19] <Pyromanik> anyway, back to making websites.
681: [22:35:49] <antmas> :D
682: [22:36:03] <antmas> anyone heard from Ryan?
683: [22:36:33] <ss-helper> SilverStripe: How to config static routing to a controller inherited from a parent controller with dynamic url - http://stackoverflow.com/questions/32512618/silverstripe-how-to-config-static-routing-to-a-controller-inherited-from-a-pare
684: [22:36:40] <Pyromanik> Oh yeah, he's like here and shit now too
685: [22:36:52] <antmas> mhm
686: [22:37:52] <Pyromanik> gotta pack the house, tour the country, organise shipping, do my job, do other jobs, study, train, book flights, plan a route, do those personal projects...
687: [22:37:59] <Pyromanik> too much shit to do.
688: [22:38:10] <Pyromanik> come home and all I have to do is personal projects.
689: [22:38:14] * Stomach has joined #silverstripe
690: [22:38:14] <Pyromanik> so that'll be nice.
691: [22:38:27] <Pyromanik> oh, and whinge about shit politics.
692: [22:38:34] * Pyromanik shrugs
693: [22:40:52] * Motoservo quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
694: [22:41:29] <antmas> I gave up whinging about politics
695: [22:41:42] <antmas> if you side with whatever isn't in flavour on twitter, you're pretty much satan
696: [22:42:44] <antmas> also I love this headline - '... gets life sentence. Will spend at least 10 years in prison'
697: [22:42:55] <antmas> life?... sentence?
698: [22:42:56] <antmas> wat
699: [22:43:28] <Pyromanik> yeh.
700: [22:55:03] * antmas skips workflow process
701: [22:55:09] * antmas publishes page anyway
702: [22:55:13] <antmas> #yolo
703: [22:56:04] * camfindlay has joined #silverstripe
704: [23:00:24] * Colin[pi] has joined #silverstripe
705: [23:00:40] <antmas> a wild Colin[pi] appears
706: [23:00:42] <antmas> o/
707: [23:00:52] <Pyromanik> antmas uses wave
708: [23:01:01] <Pyromanik> ...
709: [23:01:06] * Colin[pi] uses nippys squirt, it is super effective
710: [23:01:10] <Pyromanik> it's not very effective.
711: [23:01:20] <Pyromanik> fuck you, now I want nippys
712: [23:01:24] <Colin[pi]> pyro is still here? wtf
713: [23:01:25] <Colin[pi]> o/
714: [23:01:38] <antmas> I had a Lewis Road iced coffee the other day
715: [23:01:40] <antmas> was delicious
716: [23:02:05] <Colin[pi]> I just bought a coffee from the café with the nice bums
717: [23:02:06] <Colin[pi]> :P
718: [23:02:14] * willr_ has joined #silverstripe
719: [23:02:15] <antmas> LOL
720: [23:02:20] <antmas> bum coffee
721: [23:02:29] <Colin[pi]> ( ͡~ ͜ʖ ͡°)
722: [23:03:11] * willr quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
723: [23:03:12] * willr_ is now known as willr
724: [23:03:28] <Pyromanik> Colin[pi], you talking about buns, or the waitress?
725: [23:03:33] <Colin[pi]> Pyromanik: yes
726: [23:03:36] <Pyromanik> :P
727: [23:03:58] <Colin[pi]> Pyromanik: por que no los dos?
728: [23:03:59] <Colin[pi]> ;D
729: [23:04:29] <Pyromanik> si.
730: [23:05:01] <antmas> awesome
731: [23:05:14] <Pyromanik> do go on.
732: [23:05:16] <antmas> I just got assigned a task to put link to Google back on a page
733: [23:05:34] <antmas> today is going swimmingly
734: [23:06:40] <camfindlay> spekulatius: cool module! https://github.com/FriendsOfSilverStripe/silverstripe-maintenance
735: [23:06:43] <Pyromanik> google is hard to find if you don't put directions
736: [23:08:36] <Colin[pi]> hey is dat sum willr here?
737: [23:08:45] <willr> Maybe
738: [23:08:53] <Colin[pi]> willr: mate, your populate module is sweet af
739: [23:10:58] * Motoservo has joined #silverstripe
740: [23:12:07] <spekulatius> Thanks Cam :) I wanted to get rid of repetitive tasks and this was the easiest way :)
741: [23:12:26] <Colin[pi]> camfindlay: o/
742: [23:12:53] <camfindlay> Colin[pi]: o/ hey mate!
743: [23:13:15] <camfindlay> I’ll be over in Oz end of next week… Sydney though.
744: [23:14:24] <Colin[pi]> camfindlay: pfft, everyone knows Canberra is where the action is
745: [23:14:34] * Colin[pi] looks around and chuckles nervouslyt
746: [23:14:34] <antmas> 'action'
747: [23:15:07] <spronk> hmm
748: [23:15:12] <spronk> compared to the surface pro 3, the ipad pro looks rather expensive
749: [23:15:26] <Colin[pi]> spronk: but it has a keyboard and A PENCIL
750: [23:15:29] <Colin[pi]> OMFG
751: [23:15:30] <spronk> ah
752: [23:15:33] <Colin[pi]> innovation!!!
753: [23:15:35] <spronk> but it doesn't come with either
754: [23:15:38] <Colin[pi]> apple DID IT FIRST GUIS
755: [23:15:52] <spronk> did i mention the stuff about jony ive RDFing inventing wired comms?
756: [23:16:14] <antmas> anyone see the 2007 presentation of the iphone?
757: [23:16:14] <Colin[pi]> also, iirc, steve jobs was dead against styluses
758: [23:16:19] <spronk> http://www.apple.com/nz/ipad-pro/ watch the video
759: [23:16:22] <antmas> and that they laughed at the idea of a stylus?
760: [23:16:27] <spronk> film, not keynote
761: [23:16:28] <spronk> lolya
762: [23:16:32] <Colin[pi]> yeah jobs hattttted styluses
763: [23:16:37] * spronk watched that keynote live
764: [23:16:37] <antmas> they just want to be MS now
765: [23:16:44] <spronk> ^^ jony ive basically says
766: [23:16:59] <Colin[pi]> jobs must be doing 3,000 rpm in his grave
767: [23:17:01] <Colin[pi]> lol
768: [23:17:04] <antmas> hahaha
769: [23:17:06] <spronk> "we invented a new kind of magnetic connector for your accessories, that does power and data bidirectionally, so you don't have to use bluetooth or batteries."
770: [23:17:13] <spronk> in fact, that's pretty close to literally what he said
771: [23:17:24] <spronk> are you fucking serious, jony?
772: [23:17:44] <spronk> apple's way: remove functionality. wait long enough that people forgot it existed. sell it back to them.
773: [23:17:53] <Colin[pi]> spronk: apple execs believe they have jedi mind powers
774: [23:18:15] <spronk> i mean, sure, it looks like a nice devise
775: [23:18:19] <spronk> but ios is way too limiting for it
776: [23:18:23] <spronk> aaaand
777: [23:18:35] <spronk> the a9x won't standa chance against the core i5/i7 in the surfacepro
778: [23:18:46] <Colin[pi]> yeah I mean the point of the surface is that it's a fully functional laptop you can use as a tablet
779: [23:18:48] <spronk> same battery life too
780: [23:18:50] * Stomach quit (Quit: zzz)
781: [23:18:53] <spronk> ipadpro is way lighter, but yeah
782: [23:18:56] <Colin[pi]> the ipad is coming from the other direction
783: [23:19:05] <Colin[pi]> tablet that wants to be a laptop
784: [23:19:09] <spronk> mm
785: [23:19:19] <spronk> i think microsoft has the better plan for their OS
786: [23:19:21] <Colin[pi]> but look they'll lap it up
787: [23:19:23] <spronk> same OS, different UIs
788: [23:19:25] <Colin[pi]> as always :P
789: [23:19:29] <spronk> ugh, yeah
790: [23:19:46] <Colin[pi]> apple could release a steaming turd to vicious applause
791: [23:19:48] <spronk> but then, its not like they are being challenged much
792: [23:19:54] <Colin[pi]> it's the iShit... and it's truly magical
793: [23:20:00] <antmas> lol
794: [23:20:04] <spronk> i was having a discussion the other day
795: [23:20:11] <spronk> about how fucking sad our tech industry is
796: [23:20:18] <antmas> isn't it like, $170 USD for a fabric keyboard?
797: [23:20:18] <spronk> we've got basically nowhere in 10 years
798: [23:20:22] <spronk> yup
799: [23:20:31] <antmas> like it's literally the same as the one that COMES with a Surface 2 or 3
800: [23:20:54] <Colin[pi]> antmas: but magical and amazing, don't forget
801: [23:20:58] <antmas> or you can opt for the clicky keyboard with Surface 3 for only $20 more
802: [23:21:04] <antmas> lol true
803: [23:21:10] * antmas forgets about the magic
804: [23:21:20] <antmas> the iphone 3d touch thing is interesting
805: [23:21:25] <Pyromanik> spronk, did I just read you quote the apple guy claiming they just reinvented USB?
806: [23:21:25] <Colin[pi]> 3d touch?
807: [23:21:29] <antmas> it's like they're slowly reverting back to actual buttons
808: [23:21:34] <ss-helper> Validation on extended fields UserDefinedForm - http://stackoverflow.com/questions/27999086/validation-on-extended-fields-userdefinedform
809: [23:21:35] <spronk> Pyromanik you sure did
810: [23:21:39] <Pyromanik> lulz
811: [23:21:39] <Colin[pi]> oh, the force touch thing?
812: [23:21:45] <antmas> yeah that thing
813: [23:21:49] <spronk> the best thing was when he said
814: [23:21:55] <spronk> "so you don't need bluetooth, or batteries"
815: [23:21:56] <Colin[pi]> is that what they call it? 3d touch? top kek
816: [23:22:04] <spronk> like
817: [23:22:11] <spronk> didn't apple go on a crusade years ago to get rid of wires?
818: [23:22:17] * Stomach has joined #silverstripe
819: [23:22:22] <antmas> more or less yeah
820: [23:22:41] <antmas> didn't they quitely announce release of El Capitan too?
821: [23:22:45] <spronk> http://images.apple.com/media/us/ipad-pro/2015/7d9c7133-1f96-46ef-b8a7-bb968f96cd34/films/feature/ipad-pro-feature-cc-us-20150909_1280x720h.mp4
822: [23:22:47] <Colin[pi]> now that jobs has gone, it will slowly go down the shitter, he was the personality that made apple apple really
823: [23:22:47] <spronk> yeah
824: [23:22:48] <spronk> sept 30
825: [23:22:56] <Pyromanik> antmas, because with actual buttons people can actually use your fucking phone
826: [23:22:59] <spronk> hmm
827: [23:23:00] <Pyromanik> like, blind folks.
828: [23:23:02] <spronk> maybe, Colin[pi]
829: [23:23:09] <Pyromanik> or people trying to dial an emergency without line of sight
830: [23:23:16] <antmas> +1
831: [23:23:21] <spronk> it looks like apple are finally starting to open up a bit though
832: [23:23:25] <Colin[pi]> spronk: but yeah tbh they have so much fucking money that idek
833: [23:23:49] <antmas> spronk: how?
834: [23:23:58] <spronk> antmas ipad pro, stylus
835: [23:24:05] <spronk> ios8 allowing apps to share files
836: [23:24:09] <antmas> how is that opening up?
837: [23:24:12] <spronk> well
838: [23:24:15] <spronk> shrug
839: [23:24:18] <antmas> :P
840: [23:24:19] <Pyromanik> so anyway.
841: [23:24:19] <Colin[pi]> lol
842: [23:24:23] <spronk> really its more of what is aid before
843: [23:24:25] <antmas> MS are opening up that's for sure
844: [23:24:28] <spronk> selling back features they took away in the first place
845: [23:24:50] <Colin[pi]> spronk: yeah but apple are always about fucking early adopters up the bum
846: [23:24:58] <Colin[pi]> then release the stuff they really want later
847: [23:25:14] <spronk> ah
848: [23:25:15] <spronk> k
849: [23:25:20] <spronk> that video, go to 2:40
850: [23:25:21] <spronk> http://images.apple.com/media/us/ipad-pro/2015/7d9c7133-1f96-46ef-b8a7-bb968f96cd34/films/feature/ipad-pro-feature-cc-us-20150909_1280x720h.mp4
851: [23:25:52] <spronk> "we've developed a new technology. It's magnetic contacts relay both power, and data, bidirectionally. So you can easily connect compatible accessories without the need for bluetooth, or batteries."
852: [23:25:53] <spronk> exact quote
853: [23:25:55] <antmas> I think the Pro might do well
854: [23:26:05] <antmas> not flop like the Watch
855: [23:26:05] <spronk> people will lap that shit up
856: [23:26:16] <spronk> i bet that the next ipad air and mini will support the stylii
857: [23:26:23] <Colin[pi]> spronk: yeah but that's apple business as usual
858: [23:26:26] <spronk> and people will be all
859: [23:26:28] <spronk> OMFG ITS AMAZING
860: [23:26:37] <spronk> poor microsoft
861: [23:26:44] <Colin[pi]> spronk: like with their mac pro... FASTEST DESKTOP COMPUTER IN THE WORLD was emblazoned on their site
862: [23:26:45] <antmas> :P
863: [23:26:53] <Colin[pi]> all marketing bullshit
864: [23:26:58] <Hailwood> Hey Folks, I have a form that after it has been submitted and I have processed it I wish to return back to wherever it was submitted from, so I thought return $this->controller->redirectBack(); from the action function would work, but it's having no effect.
865: [23:27:13] <spronk> http://pocketnow.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/pencomputing.jpg
866: [23:27:16] <spronk> microsoft showed us the future
867: [23:27:20] <spronk> in 1992.
868: [23:27:39] <Colin[pi]> spronk: Microsoft often has/had great ideas but they are fucking terrible at executing/marketing them
869: [23:27:46] <spronk> sooo terrible
870: [23:27:48] <Colin[pi]> apple are masters of marketing
871: [23:27:53] <Colin[pi]> and bullshit and hype
872: [23:27:56] <spronk> and engineering
873: [23:28:03] <spronk> why the fuck
874: [23:28:13] <spronk> have microsoft changed their dev environment like 5 times
875: [23:28:23] <Stomach> Hailwood - try returning it
876: [23:28:35] <spronk> i mean, i know why
877: [23:28:43] <spronk> but cmon
878: [23:29:05] <Pyromanik> microsoft have with software what apple have with hardware: Superlative NIHS
879: [23:29:18] <antmas> pretty much yeah
880: [23:29:19] <spronk> win32 -> mfc -> .net/winforms -> .net/whateverthefucktheycalledit -> .net/WPF XAML
881: [23:29:22] <Hailwood> Stomach, punctuation fail - '...I thought "return $this->controller->redirectBack();" from the action...'
882: [23:29:28] <spronk> Pyromanik not as bad as google
883: [23:29:45] <Pyromanik> nah, google dun care if it wasn't made there... they just buy it.
884: [23:29:48] <Pyromanik> ... then shut it down.
885: [23:29:51] <antmas> spronk: I think they've found a good spot now though
886: [23:29:53] <spronk> then make it themselves
887: [23:29:56] <Stomach> is there an error occurring before it gets to that point?
888: [23:29:56] <spronk> antmas google?
889: [23:30:03] <antmas> with .net 5 and open source whosawhats it
890: [23:30:05] <spronk> oh
891: [23:30:05] <spronk> ms
892: [23:30:06] <spronk> yeahh
893: [23:30:07] <antmas> spronk: nah, ms
894: [23:30:11] <Pyromanik> alphoogle?
895: [23:30:13] <spronk> but
896: [23:30:17] <spronk> they need to deprecate all their old shit
897: [23:30:20] <antmas> git support out of the box etc
898: [23:30:20] <spronk> like
899: [23:30:23] <spronk> get rid of it
900: [23:30:28] <antmas> they are
901: [23:30:33] <antmas> only just now though
902: [23:30:35] <spronk> none of this
903: [23:30:41] <spronk> you still need it because the new shit doesn't support x or y
904: [23:30:44] <Colin[pi]> oh yeah their ecosystem was a freakin mess until late
905: [23:30:54] <Pyromanik> still is.
906: [23:31:10] <Pyromanik> windows 10 was a step forward and a sly slide back at the same time.
907: [23:31:14] <spronk> yeahh
908: [23:31:44] <Pyromanik> I tihnk ultimately they're jealous of apple and their single hardware support
909: [23:31:50] <spronk> the whole hybrid app thing isn't a bad idea
910: [23:31:52] <antmas> once their universal app model is fully up then it should even things out
911: [23:32:00] <spronk> but... the software platform isn't ready for it
912: [23:32:19] <spronk> and knowing microsoft it probably never will be
913: [23:32:33] <antmas> they're only waiting on xbox and hololens though
914: [23:32:38] <antmas> otherwise, it's there now
915: [23:32:41] <spronk> hm
916: [23:32:43] <spronk> i dno
917: [23:32:47] <antmas> :P
918: [23:32:56] <spronk> until i can take my phone
919: [23:33:00] <spronk> bump it against my pc
920: [23:33:11] <spronk> have my application, and its state, transferred to my phone, with a phone UI
921: [23:33:15] <spronk> take it to work
922: [23:33:20] <Hailwood> Stomach, nope, it seems to be working fine, as I can "die('something')" just before the redirect - https://gist.github.com/hailwood/b799b7ed8179b8a88e3c
923: [23:33:28] <spronk> pump it to another computer, xfer state etc
924: [23:33:30] <spronk> they aren't there.
925: [23:33:47] <antmas> yeah but they're closer than anyone else in terms of uniformity
926: [23:33:47] <spronk> none of this fucking cloud shit
927: [23:33:53] <spronk> possibly
928: [23:34:02] <spronk> soon, ios will take over mac os
929: [23:34:07] <antmas> mm
930: [23:34:11] <Stomach> Hailwood try `return $form->getController()->redirect($form->getController()->Link());`
931: [23:34:35] <spronk> apple is probably closest to continuity computing
932: [23:34:37] <spronk> with their whole app sleep stuff
933: [23:35:09] <antmas> mm they just haven't got the corporate market
934: [23:35:25] <Stomach> or $form->getController->redirectBack();
935: [23:35:26] <antmas> like fucking everyone uses windows in major corproate markets
936: [23:35:50] <antmas> you get office apps working in uniform on all devices? you own it
937: [23:35:58] <antmas> excell all the time! etc
938: [23:36:09] <spronk> yeahh but thats only half the problem
939: [23:36:21] <spronk> application state is the other half
940: [23:36:27] <antmas> that too
941: [23:36:27] <antmas> yeah
942: [23:36:35] <spronk> don't want to have to fucking .. load stuff again
943: [23:36:38] <spronk> movies have been doing this for years
944: [23:36:44] <spronk> drag file from big desktop tablet
945: [23:36:48] <spronk> onto little tablet
946: [23:36:52] <spronk> BAM!
947: [23:36:57] <spronk> sorry
948: [23:36:58] <spronk> Boom!*
949: [23:37:07] * spronk 's inner steve comes out
950: [23:37:26] <antmas> mm I have to be careful not to go full MS-site
951: [23:37:28] <antmas> ite*
952: [23:37:38] <antmas> as I've not long come back from teched :P
953: [23:37:47] * antmas tries not to be bias
954: [23:38:06] <spronk> its not hard antmas
955: [23:38:11] <Colin[pi]> antmas: yeah but you spent your time sleeping, I saw the photo
956: [23:38:15] <spronk> every time i get excited about ms products
957: [23:38:17] <antmas> LOL
958: [23:38:17] <spronk> i just use some of htem
959: [23:38:22] <spronk> all the excitement goes away :(*
960: [23:38:30] <antmas> I'm the same with Apple stuff
961: [23:38:38] <antmas> but, I get stopped at the '
962: [23:38:40] <spronk> at least apple stuff feels nice
963: [23:38:45] <antmas> I cant afford to use this' part
964: [23:38:55] <spronk> hahaha
965: [23:39:38] <antmas> ms just have no idea how to market to regular users
966: [23:39:46] <antmas> corporate is fine, but that's all they focus on
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970: [23:47:24] <Hailwood> Thanks Stomach, that's working. Any idea why even just return $form->getController->redirectBack(); doesn't work?
971: [23:48:12] <Stomach> If i remember right its because the form controller doesn't have memory of the previous request location - its a new controller not part of the regular control chain
972: [23:48:16] <Stomach> but that might be wrong too :D
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976: [23:55:41] <Hailwood> Stomach, it sounds about right though, next question - if I want to "update" an array stored in session do I really need to do Session::clear('MyKey'); Session::save(); Session::set('MyKey', $newValues); - otherwise it seems to merge the new and old values!
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