#silverstripe IRC Log

IRC log for 30 August 2015

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4: [00:39:48] <Motoservo> The Silverstripe documentation says behat.yml supposed to be at the project root but after installing it, via Composer, I’m only finding a behat.yml in the cms/tests dir. Am I supposed to create one from scratch? Or, is one of the ones in the behat module that (that ends in dist?) supposed to be copied out? What’s missing here?
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7: [01:01:56] <Zauberfisch> Motoservo: https://github.com/silverstripe/silverstripe-installer
8: [01:01:59] <Zauberfisch> it's there
9: [01:02:16] <Zauberfisch> I presume you either deleted it, or it is removed by the installer
10: [01:03:11] <Zauberfisch> Motoservo: if you need it, just download it from the github repo
11: [01:05:12] <MichaelHabib> hi Zauberfisch , do you use Grunt for your projects ?
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13: [01:05:33] <Zauberfisch> no
14: [01:05:40] <Zauberfisch> I dislike grunt
15: [01:06:04] <DesignerX> I used to, till I gave it this weekend to try it ..
16: [01:06:49] <Zauberfisch> meh
17: [01:06:53] <DesignerX> kinda felt a bit messy to setup, but once done, I saves me alot of time copying files & compiling less files .. still learning how to use it :)
18: [01:07:22] <DesignerX> again, it depends on the kind of work you do
19: [01:10:24] <Zauberfisch> I dislike grunt because it solves things that have been solved a long time ago. and it solves them with nodejs
20: [01:10:54] <Zauberfisch> but I do see the up side that it has a huge community and lots of packages
21: [01:11:12] <Zauberfisch> but then again, it's the javascript community ... so not sure if that is a up side
22: [01:12:19] <Zauberfisch> (not that I hate javascript, just saying there are some pretty stupid people out there :P)
23: [01:12:52] <Zauberfisch> DesignerX: but in any case, grunt should not be in any kind of conflict with silverstripe
24: [01:16:11] <DesignerX> Zauberfisch: I'm not pro or against grunt, what are the other similar tools to grunt ? I just started researching grunt & automation tools so any input will be greatly appreciated
25: [01:16:43] <Zauberfisch> I personally use silverstripe to compile less/sass files actually
26: [01:17:08] <Zauberfisch> just because I like it to happen alaways before I refresh the page
27: [01:17:27] <Zauberfisch> and I have it set up to also compile on the server if I flush
28: [01:17:49] <Zauberfisch> so I only have to commit sass files to git and not css files (no redundancy)
29: [01:18:17] <Zauberfisch> If I wouldn't do that, I would probably use a makefile
30: [01:19:06] <Zauberfisch> eg https://gist.github.com/toolmantim/6200029
31: [01:20:11] <Zauberfisch> I know some people also use IDE integrations. for example phpstorm offers hooks to run after saving a file and such
32: [01:24:18] <Zauberfisch> DesignerX: just found https://remysharp.com/2014/12/02/makefile
33: [01:24:20] <Zauberfisch> interesting
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35: [01:24:52] <Zauberfisch> while he ends up using make, it seems he explored the option of using npm as a task runner
36: [01:25:34] <Zauberfisch> not that I would use that, but interesting
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40: [01:41:54] <DesignerX> Zauberfisch: ty
41: [01:52:00] <Zauberfisch> DesignerX: though, be aware that make on windows probably requires cygwin
42: [01:52:58] <Zauberfisch> bed time
43: [01:53:00] <Zauberfisch> good nighzt
44: [01:53:03] <Zauberfisch> night*
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46: [01:56:59] <DesignerX> Zauberfisch: stopped using windows years ago, only use it for GD when I have to (Illustrator / Photoshop )
47: [01:57:01] <DesignerX> & GN
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68: [06:46:46] <ss-helper> Re: Making better use of namespaces - https://groups.google.com/d/msg/silverstripe-dev/i1voM50oFMk/7ambp0B4LAAJ
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85: [08:32:07] <zippy> spronk: Stomach o/
86: [08:32:15] <spronk> lo zippy
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89: [09:25:24] <zippy> spronk: you freelance or work at agency?
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93: [09:32:48] <franckysnow> Hi guys, I am facing an issue that could seem ridiculous to some, but really bothering me... When I use $ThemeDir in a template file, and that I browse a page not at root, I cannot find the resource. Namely, it tries to lookup to mysite.com/currentPage/my_resource. Instead of mysite.com/my_resource. Would you have any idea how I could go to debug that?
94: [09:33:03] <zippy> yes
95: [09:33:07] <zippy> <% base_tag %>
96: [09:33:24] <zippy> in your main layout (where you <head> is etc
97: [09:33:58] <franckysnow> ah great! i thought it was only adding the default <meta> tags
98: [09:34:06] <franckysnow> thank you, I will try that!
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100: [09:36:02] <franckysnow> Awesome zippy, it works like a charm! I'll have a deeper look at <% base_tag %>
101: [09:36:12] <franckysnow> Again, thank you very much
102: [09:36:17] <zippy> np
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147: [20:38:11] <helenclarko> Morning o/
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153: [21:16:25] <Stomach> hey helenclarko
154: [21:17:04] <helenclarko> Morning!
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157: [21:29:30] <zippy> morning
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160: [21:31:00] <zippy> im tempted to move to 2degrees
161: [21:31:12] <zippy> (for mobile, since my broadbands is there)
162: [21:39:46] <zippy> like a library in here today
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168: [21:54:04] <Phlunk3> I was with 2degrees and found em ok, but use vf now because of the price.
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170: [21:56:29] <zippy> Phlunk3: I think 2degress is a little cheaper, esp if you have broadbandings with them
171: [21:56:44] <zippy> just starting to whore through the data on the mobile now, and 500mb is not enough
172: [21:56:50] * zippy needs his cat pictures on the go
173: [21:58:23] <Phlunk3> I played squeeky wheel with vf and ended up with a sweet deal, 2 phones (gf and I), unlimited calls and sms, 5.5gb of data for 65$ per month.
174: [22:00:50] <zippy> damn
175: [22:01:15] <zippy> shared plan yea?
176: [22:01:18] <zippy> that'd be decent..
177: [22:01:24] <Phlunk3> just gotta make sure she doesn't use all the data lol, yeah shared
178: [22:01:44] <zippy> we on $60 a month and 1gb of data
179: [22:01:57] <zippy> mm
180: [22:02:01] <zippy> but who wants to call vf
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182: [22:02:13] <Phlunk3> yeah I had to call lots to get that deal lmao
183: [22:04:01] <zippy> mm
184: [22:04:07] <zippy> I might start the harassment
185: [22:04:19] <zippy> how long ago you get that?
186: [22:04:49] <zippy> Phlunk3: ^
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204: [22:25:15] <irogue> mornin
205: [22:25:48] <zippy> morning
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211: [22:33:53] <irogue> jfc helenclark0, sit still
212: [22:34:48] <Stomach> lol
213: [22:35:01] <irogue> ohai Stomach
214: [22:35:02] <Stomach> when is the PHP conf IRC party
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216: [22:35:05] <Stomach> hai
217: [22:35:40] <irogue> Stomach: idk I think ss23 and DanaeNZ are organising
218: [22:35:54] <Stomach> antmas bailed on me and Danae yesterday
219: [22:35:56] <Stomach> :(
220: [22:35:57] <irogue> but i'm sure there will be partying every night of phpconf
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222: [22:36:50] <irogue> not gonna drink til wednesday night, will give my liver a break after friday...
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225: [22:48:40] <zippy> too much cider irogue ?
226: [22:48:56] <irogue> wasn't the cider so much as the vodka, jager and tequila
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229: [22:52:11] <travis-ci> silverstripe/silverstripe-framework#5718 (3.2 - 3f181d1 : Damian Mooyman): The build passed.
230: [22:52:11] <travis-ci> Change view : https://github.com/silverstripe/silverstripe-framework/compare/b49149d9d273...3f181d1ce1f3
231: [22:52:11] <travis-ci> Build details : https://travis-ci.org/silverstripe/silverstripe-framework/builds/77963675
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237: [22:59:50] <irogue> http://i.imgur.com/da20LRi.jpg
238: [22:59:53] <irogue> mornin' Colin[pi]
239: [23:00:38] <Colin[pi]> kia ora irogue
240: [23:00:49] <irogue> Colin[pi]: kia ora! kei te pehea koe?
241: [23:01:01] * Colin[pi] nods vacantly
242: [23:01:34] <helenclark0> oh god,
243: [23:01:46] <helenclark0> sorry for the disconnect spam.
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247: [23:09:47] <Colin[pi]> I think I saw someone here one time talking about a module that eases the creation of default records from config, anyone know which module it is?
248: [23:11:57] <zippy> UC has one but it's for testing
249: [23:12:10] <zippy> https://github.com/unclecheese/silverstripe-mock-dataobjects
250: [23:12:48] <Colin[pi]> ooh that might have been it, thanks
251: [23:12:54] <Colin[pi]> mm testing though
252: [23:13:13] <Colin[pi]> I did find this however: https://github.com/dnadesign/silverstripe-populate
253: [23:13:38] <zippy> oh yeap, nice!
254: [23:13:44] <Colin[pi]> might give it a try
255: [23:13:46] <zippy> I can see that being useful actually
256: [23:13:48] <zippy> do
257: [23:14:00] <Colin[pi]> I have a bunch of requireDefaultRecords() methods but it's so... ugh
258: [23:14:01] <Colin[pi]> icky
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262: [23:20:07] <travis-ci> silverstripe/silverstripe-framework#5719 (master - 273ee5d : Damian Mooyman): The build passed.
263: [23:20:07] <travis-ci> Change view : https://github.com/silverstripe/silverstripe-framework/compare/b7e4e9abb722...273ee5d9fd1a
264: [23:20:07] <travis-ci> Build details : https://travis-ci.org/silverstripe/silverstripe-framework/builds/77967592
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266: [23:22:52] <MichalKleiner> hmm, bookmarking the modules :-)
267: [23:23:18] <Colin[pi]> MichalKleiner: some really useful stuff out there
268: [23:25:36] <MichalKleiner> yep
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270: [23:25:50] <MichalKleiner> also good to inspect the code to see how it's done etc.
271: [23:26:13] <Colin[pi]> MichalKleiner: mm big time, prolly 80% of my SS learning has been just digging through source code
272: [23:26:28] <Colin[pi]> MichalKleiner: I'm forever looking through the framework/cms source as well :D
273: [23:27:06] <MichalKleiner> it's too huge to get through and understand it all :-D
274: [23:27:11] <MichalKleiner> so only when needed :-))
275: [23:28:09] <Colin[pi]> MichalKleiner: mm, true. I still think SS, overall, is a pretty well structured framework.. things for the most part "make sense"
276: [23:28:25] <Colin[pi]> MichalKleiner: whereas any time I've looked at say Derppress or Derpal source, it's like "WTF"
277: [23:29:13] <MichalKleiner> yeah yeah, nothing against that.. actually a fact that it's not fully DI and has static service locator (or how you call it) is helping to understand the dependencies and internal links between stuff
278: [23:29:19] <helenclarko> Colin[pi], You should try theming a Moodle site!
279: [23:29:34] <Colin[pi]> helenclarko: lol oh god, I've heard many, many bad things
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281: [23:29:54] <MichalKleiner> i'm building a site on wp and it's... ehm... a mission
282: [23:29:56] <helenclarko> Colin[pi], Still have Nightmares.
283: [23:30:00] <Colin[pi]> MichalKleiner: lol
284: [23:30:28] <MichalKleiner> but won't say worse or better than other stuff.. it's only where you start and what you need to do and how.. everything has it's drawbacks
285: [23:30:52] <Colin[pi]> MichalKleiner: mm true
286: [23:30:53] <MichalKleiner> between the zillion of modules for wp there are good and helpful things that would take ages to build from scratch
287: [23:31:15] <irogue-5> so far my worst experience was theming a Magento site
288: [23:31:19] <Colin[pi]> MichalKleiner: I guess SS kinda fits with my way of thinking, you know?
289: [23:31:41] <Colin[pi]> irogue-5: lol I think UC also rated a Magento project among his worst
290: [23:32:03] <MichalKleiner> I think I quite fought opencart couple years back
291: [23:36:19] <Phlunk3> zippy, sorry work called. Got moved to that plan about 4 months ago cause they didnt want to have me on the plan I was on. They call it red essentials but not sure how related that plan is to what I got.
292: [23:39:41] <Stomach> magento sites are a nightmare
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294: [23:41:18] <helenclarko> Trying to say Magento is a nightmare.
295: [23:41:31] <Colin[pi]> my mac is currently installing windows 10 for free, the world's gone mad
296: [23:42:06] <helenclarko> "Macs have the windows 10 free upgrade pop-up too?"
297: [23:42:26] <Colin[pi]> helenclarko: lol, on my Win 7 bootcamp install they do
298: [23:42:33] <irogue-5> microsoft seem to have been far too generous with the win10 install
299: [23:42:52] <Colin[pi]> irogue-5: I think it's pretty damn clever on their part actually
300: [23:43:05] <helenclarko> Agreed.
301: [23:43:16] <irogue-5> it gave me win10 for free on my pirated win7 install (I do own Win7 but couldn't find the key when I reinstalled it)
302: [23:43:32] <zippy> mm I should fire up my machine then
303: [23:43:35] <Colin[pi]> irogue-5: ah, it will, but it still will not be considered genuine afaik
304: [23:43:51] <zippy> free upgrades to win10 is good, more people off older versions of IE
305: [23:43:58] <Colin[pi]> zippy: +1
306: [23:44:03] <zippy> they should do $10 upgrades from XP, even if pirated
307: [23:44:08] <helenclarko> Still thinking "You never get anything for free". Cant wait to see what happens after the rollback deadline has expired.
308: [23:44:11] <irogue-5> Colin[pi]: nope, seems to consider it genuine now, and I now have a valid Win10 cd key
309: [23:44:12] <Phlunk3> I think it is considered genuine actually
310: [23:44:31] <Colin[pi]> irogue-5 Phlunk3: really? huh
311: [23:45:00] <irogue-5> presumably if I installed Win7 using my legit key on another machine I could upgrade that too and have two valid win10 keys
312: [23:45:03] <Phlunk3> and in a year we can all start paying for a subscription based OS lol. I installed it to take a look and it's nice, but still rather run linux for my usage.
313: [23:45:09] * permanen_ quit (Remote host closed the connection)
314: [23:45:16] <Phlunk3> then you get 2 subscription bills irogue.
315: [23:45:21] <Colin[pi]> http://www.computerworld.com/article/2899480/pirates-will-stay-pirates-even-after-windows-10-upgrade.html
316: [23:45:38] <Colin[pi]> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
317: [23:46:01] <irogue-5> Colin[pi]: it was cracked so it didn't consider itself non-genuine
318: [23:46:04] * permanentinc has joined #silverstripe
319: [23:46:22] <irogue-5> virtually no pirated copies of win7 actually show as non-genuine, only the ones with poorly written cracks
320: [23:46:25] <Colin[pi]> irogue-5: really? that's funny
321: [23:46:40] <Colin[pi]> in that case, carry on
322: [23:46:41] <Colin[pi]> :D
323: [23:47:45] <irogue-5> the good cracks, like the one I use, sets up a fake Volume Licensing server in a VM and forces windows to use that to activate & check it is "genuine"
324: [23:48:03] <ss23> >ss23 organising something
325: [23:48:07] <ss23> 10:35 #silverstripe: < irogue> Stomach: idk I think ss23 and DanaeNZ are organising
326: [23:48:18] <Colin[pi]> irogue-5: I know, I have use.... I mean, a friend of mine has used them before. A friend.
327: [23:48:30] <irogue-5> :P
328: [23:48:41] <ss23> Since you guys will be busy during the con, how about Saturday lunch, or dinner if more people prefer?
329: [23:49:17] <irogue-5> ss23: fine by me, as long as the Aucklanders are available on Saturday
330: [23:49:18] <Stomach> I think a beer on Thursday night ftw
331: [23:50:18] <irogue-5> ss23 can't drink on thursday night :P
332: [23:50:51] <Stomach> oh thats dumb
333: [23:51:15] * Olliepop quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
334: [23:52:01] <irogue-5> http://iforce.co.nz/i/p1o2tqpz.f2s.png
335: [23:52:59] <irogue-5> the "can't get drunk" calendar ^_^
336: [23:54:14] <Colin[pi]> lol
337: [23:58:07] <Colin[pi]> hnnnnggh this populate module is making me very happy... good ol' wilr

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