#silverstripe IRC Log

IRC log for 16 July 2015

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1: [00:00:01] <DanaeNZ> something might be screwy with your cms or framework
2: [00:00:11] <DanaeNZ> and the Help is gone
3: [00:00:11] <PenguinMan98> tabs?
4: [00:00:20] <DanaeNZ> “Main” or “Images"
5: [00:00:32] <DanaeNZ> Betterbuttons is also not on the staging site
6: [00:00:43] <DanaeNZ> do you use version control?
7: [00:00:56] <DanaeNZ> composer would also help with this
8: [00:01:06] <PenguinMan98> we use both
9: [00:01:12] <PenguinMan98> and my tabs are thre
10: [00:01:20] <DanaeNZ> not according to your screenshot
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12: [00:01:27] <PenguinMan98> They got cropped out
13: [00:01:58] <antmas> PenguinMan98: 3.1.what?
14: [00:02:01] <PenguinMan98> http://screencast.com/t/hsos8IJUud
15: [00:02:20] <PenguinMan98> 3.1.*
16: [00:02:32] <PenguinMan98> "silverstripe/framework": "3.1.*",
17: [00:02:42] <PenguinMan98> so I'd imagine 3.1.2
18: [00:03:02] <PenguinMan98> OK. I don't have time to work on this now
19: [00:03:07] <PenguinMan98> I'll come back to it in the morning
20: [00:03:09] <antmas> what have you got in ReriteBase in your .htaccess on the staging server?
21: [00:03:12] <PenguinMan98> thank you all for your thinks
22: [00:03:37] <antmas> as it sounds like maybe tinymcy isn't loading
23: [00:03:54] <PenguinMan98> Rewrite base is just /
24: [00:03:55] <antmas> tinymce*
25: [00:03:58] <PenguinMan98> yes
26: [00:04:05] <PenguinMan98> gotta dash
27: [00:04:09] <PenguinMan98> thanks again
28: [00:04:13] <antmas> o/
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30: [00:09:32] <antmas> UncleCheese: many people enter that code comp?
31: [00:09:43] <UncleCheese> yeah, we've got a good amount of sumbissions
32: [00:10:15] <antmas> nice
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36: [00:16:32] <Kingy> antmas: im trying to youtube a video but it's stuck in processing
37: [00:16:50] <Hailwood> Does anyone know if there is any advantage over PHPstorm "New project from existing sources" compared to just "open..."? it's always bugged me
38: [00:17:02] <DanaeNZ> Hailwood: remote project
39: [00:19:59] <Hailwood> DanaeNZ, Ah makes sense -
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41: [00:31:05] <ss-helper> Unset session in SilverStripe - http://stackoverflow.com/questions/31443457/unset-session-in-silverstripe
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47: [00:54:04] <Kingy> antmas Colin[pi]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5qOp2nI7m0
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51: [01:03:51] <Colin[pi]> Kingy: heh cool
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53: [01:09:40] <Ryan-Toast> Fuck I love Netflix: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJ7B3qbj-5s&feature=youtu.be
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56: [01:11:29] <nickspiel> hey guys, I am having trouble unsetting a session value
57: [01:11:42] <nickspiel> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/31443457/unset-session-in-silverstripe
58: [01:12:07] <nickspiel> is there a particular SilverStripe method for this?
59: [01:12:51] <nickspiel> the new session object wont save
60: [01:13:28] <antmas> Kingy: gah so lucky :|
61: [01:13:55] <antmas> jesus, how long does it take for sky to reply :|
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63: [01:19:08] <Kingy> my guess is ages antmas
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65: [01:19:23] <antmas> Kingy: lol
66: [01:19:35] <antmas> not suprised
67: [01:19:44] <antmas> you literally never hear anyone saying good things about Sky
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71: [01:21:30] <nickspiel> any plans to move this channel over to slack?
72: [01:22:36] <antmas> kinda sort nickspiel
73: [01:22:40] <antmas> it's been tested
74: [01:22:43] <antmas> sorta*
75: [01:23:56] <nickspiel> ok, would be awesome... irc hurts my eyes after using slack
76: [01:25:25] <Colin[pi]> Ryan-Toast: that looks awesome
77: [01:25:59] <Ryan-Toast> nickspiel: you can always change your IRC css :P
78: [01:26:12] <DanaeNZ> Ryan-Toast: I still haven’t done that
79: [01:26:13] <DanaeNZ> lol
80: [01:26:23] <DanaeNZ> got the ugliest shitting irc client rn
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83: [01:31:55] <nickspiel> so anyone able to assist with unsetting a Session value?
84: [01:32:05] <nickspiel> seems like somthing that would come up a bit
85: [01:36:19] <Colin[pi]> nickspiel: Session::clear('DatVariable');
86: [01:38:20] <nickspiel> I need to remove a value inside 'DatVariable' so unset($_SESSION['DatVariable']['key'])
87: [01:38:32] <nickspiel> is there a method to do this in SS?
88: [01:39:18] <DanaeNZ> Dot notation I think?
89: [01:39:29] <Kingy> DanaeNZ: default mirc ftw
90: [01:39:31] <DanaeNZ> Session::clear(‘DatVariable.key’)
91: [01:39:51] <Colin[pi]> ^
92: [01:40:09] <DanaeNZ> Colin[pi]: I’m on OS X :(
93: [01:40:30] <nickspiel> okay, will try that DanaeNZ
94: [01:41:27] <Colin[pi]> DanaeNZ: wha?
95: [01:41:33] <Colin[pi]> you mean Kingy?
96: [01:41:34] <Colin[pi]> :D
97: [01:42:02] <Kingy> Colin[pi]: https://twitter.com/csgo_dev/status/621460008413237248
98: [01:42:04] <Kingy> hype?
99: [01:42:12] <DanaeNZ> I might hold a support group for devs who have no choice but to use the OS they hate
100: [01:42:42] <Colin[pi]> Kingy: lol at reply: "Is it an hitbox fixing machine or something like that ? I hope it fixes hitboxes."
101: [01:42:52] <Kingy> haha yeah
102: [01:43:04] <antmas> Kingy: lol wtf
103: [01:43:07] <antmas> WAT IS IT
104: [01:43:17] <Kingy> people thing apparal
105: [01:43:23] <DanaeNZ> hey has anyone been to something like this? http://www.meetup.com/Tangleball/
106: [01:43:23] <nickspiel> Session::clear(‘DatVariable.key’) removes values from that key but not the key itself
107: [01:43:24] <Colin[pi]> antmas: it makes logos out of peanut butter
108: [01:43:25] <Kingy> others are saying they're bringing back sprays in game
109: [01:43:25] <DanaeNZ> Maker space
110: [01:43:35] <Colin[pi]> Kingy: OMG... goatse everywhere again
111: [01:43:38] <DanaeNZ> nickspiel: Session:remove or Session::delete
112: [01:43:41] <antmas> LOL
113: [01:43:42] <DanaeNZ> what is it again
114: [01:43:57] <DanaeNZ> ::destroy()
115: [01:44:02] <DanaeNZ> no
116: [01:44:03] <DanaeNZ> not that
117: [01:44:21] <DanaeNZ> go ::clear then ::save?
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121: [01:52:08] * Ryan-Toast wants to quit his job and just play terraria for the next month and a half.
122: [01:52:52] <DanaeNZ> Ryan-Toast: my flatmate bought a 4 pack and wants to play aaaall the time
123: [01:52:59] <DanaeNZ> the same dungeon master
124: [01:53:09] <Ryan-Toast> DanaeNZ: Terraria, so fun.
125: [01:53:17] <DanaeNZ> i like making houses
126: [01:54:18] <Ryan-Toast> DanaeNZ: I like killing stuff with arrows
127: [01:54:25] <Ryan-Toast> and grappling abut
128: [01:54:53] <DanaeNZ> Grappling hook?
129: [01:54:57] <DanaeNZ> sounds awesome
130: [01:55:15] <xyphoid_> haha my peeps are back on terraria too
131: [01:55:38] <xyphoid_> got a server going, we cheated in portal guns with the newest patch because screw killing raid bosses
132: [01:56:02] <Ryan-Toast> DanaeNZ: http://terraria.gamepedia.com/Hooks
133: [01:56:22] <Ryan-Toast> xyphoid_: I’ve only just recently started playing. There’s so much to do :D
134: [01:56:27] <DanaeNZ> Christmas hook :D
135: [01:56:33] <Colin[pi]> Ryan-Toast: its a damn good game
136: [01:57:04] <Ryan-Toast> Colin[pi]: I bought it on mobile with no intention of ever opening the app, just wanted to give them more money.
137: [01:57:10] <Colin[pi]> LOL!
138: [01:57:17] <DanaeNZ> shutupandtakemymoney.png
139: [01:57:21] <Colin[pi]> now that is the sign of a well made game
140: [01:57:42] * Colin[pi] should play him some more Terraria
141: [01:58:07] <nickspiel> tried clearing then saving new object into Session, still holds the old session
142: [01:58:28] <Colin[pi]> nickspiel: ur doin it wrong
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146: [02:04:15] <Colin[pi]> Ryan-Toast: damn you
147: [02:04:25] <Ryan-Toast> Colin[pi]: give in, Colin.
148: [02:04:35] <Colin[pi]> Ryan-Toast: now you've got me wanting to play it
149: [02:04:54] <DanaeNZ> oh shit retrospective pun
150: [02:05:06] <DanaeNZ> Ryan-Toast, I’d say you’re *puts on shades* hooked on Terraria
151: [02:05:41] <Colin[pi]> DanaeNZ: http://cow.org/csi/
152: [02:05:57] <DanaeNZ> thank you Colin[pi]
153: [02:06:01] <Colin[pi]> (evil flash soz)
154: [02:06:24] <Ryan-Toast> DanaeNZ: booo
155: [02:06:40] <DanaeNZ> i think you mean *puts on shades* YEEEEAAAAAHHHH!!!!
156: [02:08:21] <DanaeNZ> (•_•)
157: [02:08:22] <DanaeNZ> ( •_•)>⌐■-■
158: [02:08:28] <DanaeNZ> (⌐■_■)
159: [02:08:43] <DanaeNZ> that rendered 0/10
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161: [02:09:26] <irogue> DanaeNZ: looks fine for me :)
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177: [03:33:31] <Hailwood> Sugestions to debug a site that's giving a 500 after being moved to production, nothing being output in server logs
178: [03:36:00] <Ryan-Toast> Hailwood: permissions
179: [03:36:48] <Hailwood> Ryan-Toast, I've done chmod -R 777 assets to test, what else needs specific permissions?
180: [03:37:04] <Ryan-Toast> Hailwood: Is the server single user? check the owners of the file.s
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182: [03:42:35] <Hailwood> Ryan-Toast, I believe it's single user, it's the clients hosting, so we only have cpanel access
183: [03:43:26] <Ryan-Toast> Hailwood: You’ll need to make sure the files are owned by the correct user.
184: [03:43:33] <Ryan-Toast> that will throw a 500 error otherwise.
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190: [03:49:20] <Hailwood> Ryan-Toast, created a new php file and ran get_current_user(); which spat out the username I am logged into cpanel as, which I also uploaded the files as, so I'm assuming that's setup correctly. any other guess (I'm mostly interested in why I'm not getting any logs))
191: [03:49:42] <Ryan-Toast> Hailwood: Sorry, man. No idea then.
192: [03:50:10] <Ryan-Toast> Spent half the day dealing with a hosting account that ionly lets me use a java interface...
193: [03:51:44] <Hailwood> That's harsh! cpanel is at least only partially retarded
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197: [03:55:28] <muskie9> Hailwood do you have logging setup to go to silverstripe.log and are permissions correct for that?
198: [03:56:15] <muskie9> we had a client who hosts and permissions got foobar'd... not sure I have the command we used to fix it on hand, but it was definitely permissions
199: [03:57:19] <Hailwood> muskie9, we don't have any custom LogWriters setup so unless it comes default somewhere then I don't believe so
200: [03:58:21] <muskie9> we set it in our _ss_environment.php file: define('SS_ERROR_LOG', 'silverstripe.log');
201: [03:58:54] <Ryan-Toast> is errors set in the environment?
202: [03:58:55] <muskie9> but if your permissions are fudged then it probably won't write to that file anyways
203: [03:59:03] <Ryan-Toast> ini_set('display_errors', 1);
204: [03:59:09] <muskie9> ^
205: [04:00:03] <Hailwood> Display errors is on, I can create a test.php at the same level as framework/ and create a syntax error, browse to domain.com/test.php and see the syntax error printed
206: [04:01:17] <helenclarko> What a day, moving office. of course it had to rain too.
207: [04:02:54] <Ryan-Toast> Hailwood: got a rewriteBase in your .htaccess?
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209: [04:04:03] <Hailwood> RewriteBase '/'
210: [04:04:39] <Hailwood> Although if it was a .htaccess error - then wouldn't I run into it visiting /test.php anyway?
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235: [05:22:39] <eric___> i accidently deleted images from assets in cms how can i get them back help plz
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249: [06:00:11] <eric___> i accidently deleted imges from cms upload how can i get them back help plz
250: [06:00:24] <eric___> i deleted them from live site
251: [06:01:26] <nowizards> eric___: unlikely that you can
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255: [06:06:38] <eric___> what?
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263: [06:33:07] <guci0> Hello World!
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267: [06:43:18] <eric___> can anyone help me i deleted accidently images from cms files how can i get'em back
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269: [06:43:40] <Mike123> Morning :)
270: [06:44:54] <Mike123> i have a question, File has many many users and user belongs many many files ... can i somehow select all user on file ? i mean with one click or something, because there so many of them ...
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272: [07:02:03] <eric___> can anyone help me i deleted accidently images from cms files how can i get'em back
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277: [07:12:25] <wmk> eric___, in files section?
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280: [07:19:23] <eric___> yea
281: [07:20:05] <wmk> well, that's bad
282: [07:20:13] <wmk> cause records in DB are deleted
283: [07:20:23] <wmk> so you need a db backup and a file backup
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287: [07:30:01] <swaiba> Morning all
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295: [07:44:09] <darjus01> Hi all is any posibility use https://github.com/unclecheese/silverstripe-display-logic and add ajax, for example by selecting country dropdown of states changes to list of that country states?
296: [07:45:02] <wmk> darjus01, something like dependent dropdown field?
297: [07:45:10] <darjus01> yes
298: [07:45:28] <wmk> https://github.com/sheadawson/silverstripe-dependentdropdownfield
299: [07:46:46] <darjus01> in $datesSource I can foreach categories and put states?
300: [07:47:55] <darjus01> in $datesSource I can foreach countries and put states?
301: [07:51:12] <wmk> darjus01, dunno, see module's docs
302: [07:51:26] <darjus01> ok thx :) wmk
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304: [07:51:59] <wmk> well, i'd make this closure calling db
305: [07:52:09] <wmk> if it's huge data
306: [07:52:21] <wmk> think about caching darjus01
307: [07:52:50] <darjus01> not its not huge
308: [07:53:00] <darjus01> 3 countries only
309: [07:54:04] <wmk> then it could be statically
310: [07:54:15] <wmk> but cache it if you have db queries
311: [07:55:14] <swaiba> If you are talking about the display logic - I couldn't get it to work with Tabs or Gridfields... any joy with that darjus01?
312: [07:57:02] <darjus01> nop I used sever times only on addedit views in modeladmin, tied sever times to on checkbox 1 show gridfield and failed every time
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314: [07:58:56] <wmk> so i have a site and customer wants a second domain with some shared and some individual contendt
315: [07:59:05] <wmk> can i easily apply subsites to it?
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317: [07:59:10] <wmk> will the old site be "main site" then?
318: [07:59:32] * wmk used subsites only from scratch yet
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320: [08:05:40] <swaiba> wmk - maybe sync the data - https://github.com/nyeholt/silverstripe-syncrotron
321: [08:06:45] <swaiba> or maybe something to just use the external data... https://github.com/axyr/silverstripe-externaldata
322: [08:07:01] <wmk> swaiba, just testing subsites, but thanks for that info. good for sites that are not tied togehter
323: [08:07:12] <wmk> but this is the same customer, just different brands of the same product
324: [08:07:44] <swaiba> I've always been interest in the subsite / (new) multiple sites modules
325: [08:08:11] <wmk> subsite works fine, has some downsides, but is ok for sharing contents on the same codebase
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327: [08:08:35] <wmk> I use SubsitesVirtualPage a lot
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334: [08:16:10] <swaiba> Pynfk o/
335: [08:16:20] <Pynfk> \o swaiba
336: [08:17:54] <Pynfk> Ah fuck, I got duped again by those trojan bots http://www.silverstripe.org/uk/community/forums/installing-silverstripe/show/102568
337: [08:18:22] <Pynfk> make a seemingly legit post. Don't respond to questions. Edit op 2 weeks later with a dickload of spam.
338: [08:24:50] <swaiba> Pynfk - ha - double time
339: [08:24:57] <wmk> Pynfk, well, after the bot edited your answer looks a bit weird
340: [08:26:05] <plznowiz> IS IT A GREAT MOVIE AT LEAST
341: [08:27:47] <swaiba> looks weirder now - just you asking for more detail...
342: [08:27:54] <Pynfk> hahaha
343: [08:27:56] <Pynfk> true
344: [08:27:57] <swaiba> want me to delete that post?
345: [08:28:05] <Pynfk> just take out the whole thread, yeh.
346: [08:28:24] <Pynfk> unless you're gonna leave it as a spam bot honey pot thread, haha
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352: [09:05:30] <wmk> argh, client wants me to install wordd* on my server
353: [09:06:20] <plznowiz> it's gonna be great
354: [09:06:59] <plznowiz> got an email today
355: [09:07:07] <plznowiz> 'can we have a form that makes a word document'
356: [09:07:27] <plznowiz> turns out you can just generate a html file and name it .doc and it works fine
357: [09:07:32] <wmk> was not so amused, maybe the cup goes away
358: [09:08:04] <wmk> plznowiz, well, wordd* is <cencored>, not ms word
359: [09:08:26] <plznowiz> well in that case, i take my anecdote back
360: [09:08:28] <wmk> (if i say that name Pynfk will slap me with a large trout)
361: [09:09:01] <wmk> read as: other php based blog system abused for websites and quite insecure
362: [09:09:20] <wmk> and the code is a horror if you're used to such a beauty like silverstripe
363: [09:09:24] <plznowiz> oh that sounds pretty sweet
364: [09:09:33] <plznowiz> i forced a client to get a new vps for their wordd stuff
365: [09:09:41] <plznowiz> so we didn't cross polinate disasters
366: [09:10:39] <wmk> well, there should be some html->rtf generator for php
367: [09:10:44] <wmk> as phpexcel class
368: [09:10:48] <plznowiz> oh there are heaps of things
369: [09:11:09] <plznowiz> i just thought it was funny that someone somewhere wants a stack of word files
370: [09:13:55] <swaiba> wmk I've found better code that Silverstripe... http://lhartikk.github.io/ArnoldC/
371: [09:14:15] <Zauberfisch> wmk: if you can execute binaries on your server, you should checkout pandoc
372: [09:14:27] <Zauberfisch> http://pandoc.org/
373: [09:15:02] <Zauberfisch> though depending on your required formats, you might need several dependencies installed aswell
374: [09:15:58] <wmk> swaiba, OUCH
375: [09:17:04] <Pynfk> [10:07] <plznowiz> turns out you can just generate a html file and name it .doc and it works fine
376: [09:17:06] <Pynfk> oh, mint :>
377: [09:17:26] <Pynfk> also, don't be silly wmk, I don't use mirc :P
378: [09:17:34] <plznowiz> until someone doesn't sanatize properly and js gets into words wscript layer and suddenly madness
379: [09:17:52] <Pynfk> wmk: also, there is.
380: [09:18:04] <wmk> ?
381: [09:18:09] <Pynfk> The guy who does phpexcel also has some supports for word iirc
382: [09:18:22] <Pynfk> I met him recently
383: [09:18:25] <Pynfk> Nice bloke
384: [09:18:26] <wmk> Pynfk, not ms word, the derp stuff, you know
385: [09:18:34] <Pynfk> oh wordderp
386: [09:18:42] <plznowiz> i've totally derailed wmks top kek
387: [09:18:43] <plznowiz> my bad
388: [09:18:47] <Pynfk> I was talkinga bout this :P [10:10] <wmk> well, there should be some html->rtf generator for php [10:10] <wmk> as phpexcel class
389: [09:18:53] <wmk> plznowiz, ?
390: [09:19:04] <wmk> top kek?
391: [09:19:06] <Pynfk> but this seems neat too [10:07] <plznowiz> turns out you can just generate a html file and name it .doc and it works fine
392: [09:19:18] <Pynfk> wmk: your ... thing. thread, discussion, topic
393: [09:19:19] <Mike123> hey guys, i have a bit of problem here... i have member with DataExtension which contains an Image relation... in controller i created a form , it has a FileField to save this image.. it saves ok, but when i try to $form->loadDataFrom($member); it loads everything but image... any help ?
394: [09:19:21] <Pynfk> whatever.
395: [09:19:31] <Pynfk> something like that. Not many people understand Jotham.
396: [09:19:34] <wmk> Pynfk, it also works the other way round. save a word doc as html... (but don't look at the code)
397: [09:20:42] <Pynfk> swaiba: omg, idek what.
398: [09:20:45] <Pynfk> wut
399: [09:20:47] <Pynfk> *
400: [09:21:11] <swaiba> the arnie thing? I found it hilarious
401: [09:21:14] <plznowiz> wmk: i don't think it's worth explaining my broken english, but top kek means top lol, and was just a response to having to use wordderp
402: [09:21:25] <Pynfk> Mike123: field is named ImageThingID
403: [09:21:31] <Pynfk> nb ID bit on end
404: [09:22:04] <wmk> plznowiz, ok
405: [09:22:16] <Pynfk> swaiba: funny, yes. But the actual thought of using it for... well anything, scary as fuck :<
406: [09:22:25] <Pynfk> idek why someone would do this :<
407: [09:22:33] <Pynfk> I mean, I get for the lols.
408: [09:22:35] <Pynfk> but...
409: [09:22:37] <Pynfk> that's OTT
410: [09:22:40] <swaiba> YOU HAVE NO RESPECT FOR LOGIC
411: [09:22:46] <Pynfk> haha
412: [09:23:24] <plznowiz> no need to respect logic, it's always there crushing everything
413: [09:23:52] <Pynfk> You have no chance to survive, make your time.
414: [09:23:58] <Mike123> Pynfk , ok ID worked .. well kind of worked.. i see the ID of the image now in Debug, but the field on the front-end writes "no file selected"
415: [09:24:44] <Pynfk> Mike123: is the field value set though?
416: [09:25:11] <Mike123> field value ... nop
417: [09:25:54] <Mike123> but what should i set there ?
418: [09:25:55] <Pynfk> !paste Mike123
419: [09:25:56] <ss-helper> Mike123: Please paste your code using something like http://kopy.io/ or http://www.sspaste.com/ or https://gist.github.com/ and then paste the link here.
420: [09:27:38] <Mike123> http://codepaste.net/xb1w6x
421: [09:27:49] <Pynfk> :<
422: [09:27:57] <Pynfk> I hate that paste site, requires JS
423: [09:29:18] <Mike123> will remember this :)
424: [09:32:23] <wmk> Mike123, we have sspaste.com !
425: [09:32:33] <Zauberfisch> but sspaste isn't that good :/
426: [09:32:41] <wmk> hmm
427: [09:32:46] <wmk> works for me
428: [09:32:54] <Zauberfisch> I don't like the interface
429: [09:33:01] <wmk> well, a bit "oidvadderisch"
430: [09:33:07] <plznowiz> gist or dpaste or bpaste or something eh
431: [09:33:09] <Mike123> ok , http://kopy.io/Gb8Df
432: [09:33:22] <plznowiz> since i first came here sspaste made me blerk in my mouth
433: [09:33:54] <Zauberfisch> kopy.io looks nice. didn't know that one before
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435: [09:41:37] <Pynfk> wmk: sspaste.com doesn't separate line numbers from text tho :<
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442: [09:50:09] <kinglozzer> gist ftw
443: [09:50:14] <kinglozzer> so sexy
444: [09:53:05] <wmk> depends
445: [09:53:20] <wmk> if it's something i want to collect
446: [09:53:28] <wmk> or are there anonymous gists?
447: [09:53:35] <plznowiz> there are anon ones
448: [09:55:44] <wmk> hmm, how can i move a page to another subsite?
449: [09:56:14] <wmk> a page and all subpages
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451: [10:01:19] <darjus01> someone had this isseu with betterbuttons, that in gridfield disapears to breadcrubs and paddings of view itself looks like all content part sticks to left: http://snag.gy/WbMX4.jpg
452: [10:01:25] <darjus01> ?
453: [10:03:33] <Pynfk> wmk: right click maybe? not sure.
454: [10:03:42] <Pynfk> I think it used to be possible in 2.4
455: [10:03:44] <Pynfk> dunno tho
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457: [10:08:18] <Pynfk> Zauberfisch: wmk marvanni keeps saying he'll update it at some point. But it's a side project time thing (that stuff no one ever has :/ )
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459: [10:09:21] <Zauberfisch> Pynfk: yeah
460: [10:09:37] <Zauberfisch> I remember him talking about a full relaunch a few years ago ^^
461: [10:10:30] <Pynfk> Mike123: you're using a file field, not an uploadfield
462: [10:10:42] <Pynfk> Zauberfisch: more recently he's been saying the same
463: [10:11:11] <Pynfk> Mike123: a filefield simply renders an <input type="file" /> iirc...
464: [10:11:17] <Pynfk> which is always empty.
465: [10:11:51] <Pynfk> uploadfield probably shouldn't be used on the frontend though, so what you can do is use an if statement around a literal field to render the image if it's set
466: [10:12:38] <wmk> Pynfk, what module?
467: [10:13:07] <Pynfk> wmk: hmm?
468: [10:13:25] <Pynfk> talkinga bout Mike123's paste from earlier before I got engaged in real work
469: [10:17:44] <Mike123> Pynfk , ok i got it , thanks
470: [10:19:04] <Mike123> Pynfk , but what if i want to make a gallery ? :/ is there a way to manage the photos of gallery in the front end ?
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476: [10:19:52] <Pynfk> Mike123: you could subclass formfield (or compositefield) and make one, I guess. There might be something already out there.
477: [10:20:04] <Pynfk> UploadField is probably fine for that usecase though I think.
478: [10:20:13] <Pynfk> or for members.
479: [10:20:29] <Pynfk> it's only dangerous really on the front end because users are idiots
480: [10:20:47] <Pynfk> because the image gets uploaded before the record is created/saved, it can be abused.
481: [10:20:56] <Pynfk> end up wiht a bunch of images with no record.
482: [10:21:11] <Pynfk> also I'm not sure how well uploadfield works in the frontend.
483: [10:21:16] <Pynfk> you'd have to try it out :>
484: [10:21:49] <Mike123> Pynfk, i tried to use UploadField in the form, it even doesnt show up on front
485: [10:23:14] <wmk> Pynfk, that marvanni updates sometimes stuff
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487: [10:23:44] <cupcake> hi guys o/
488: [10:24:03] <swaiba> hiya cupcake
489: [10:24:06] <cupcake> how do i get the class where the widget is located?
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495: [10:28:07] <neilfse> Kingy[a]: u there?
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501: [10:29:03] <swaiba> sorry cupcake - bit more detail? widget sounds like 2.4...
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507: [10:34:31] <Mike123> if i use DataExtension on member , i add relations to it etc... cant make those fields created only for users in specific group ?
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513: [10:36:36] <wmk> Mike123, created? in table, no
514: [10:36:56] <wmk> but in updateCMSFields you can check group and display the form fields only for a group
515: [10:37:21] <Mike123> wmk, ok i suits me
516: [10:37:57] <Mike123> so inside update cms field i need an if statement to check if current user is in this group yes ?
517: [10:38:09] <wmk> yup
518: [10:38:21] <wmk> if ($this->owner->GroupID ...
519: [10:38:51] <wmk> check Member API, maybe there's a helper like inGroup()...
520: [10:39:08] <Mike123> there is
521: [10:39:51] <wmk> there you go!
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524: [10:44:04] <Pynfk> neilfse: no, hence the [a] (stands for 'away')
525: [10:44:15] <Pynfk> \o cupcake
526: [10:44:37] <Pynfk> cupcake: widgets are housed in a WidgetHolder
527: [10:44:59] <Pynfk> otherwise what swaiba said :>
528: [10:45:18] <Mike123> wmk, but wait... if i dont define the fields they will show by default ... so .. is the member is not in group i should hide those fields ?
529: [10:45:55] <Pynfk> Mike123: yeah, that or abstract the injection of those fields.
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531: [10:47:16] <Mike123> ok , got it , thanks
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533: [10:50:38] <Pynfk> Zauberfisch: how do you use pandoc from php?
534: [10:51:48] <Pynfk> have to use exec? Like https://github.com/ryakad/pandoc-php
535: [10:51:51] <Pynfk> :<
536: [10:56:36] <Zauberfisch> Pynfk: yeah
537: [10:56:46] <Zauberfisch> though I usually use symphony process
538: [11:05:22] <Mike123> can i extend a controller only ?
539: [11:06:06] <Mike123> i have one page type created.... it's sort of user zone... and i want to create controller for sub-[ages of this zone..
540: [11:10:49] <swaiba> Mike123 yes I belive I've done that
541: [11:11:52] <Zauberfisch> yes, you can
542: [11:11:56] <Zauberfisch> though I am not sure how clean that is
543: [11:12:07] <Zauberfisch> how big are your controllers going to be?
544: [11:12:09] <Pynfk> Mike123: of course
545: [11:12:24] <Zauberfisch> perhaps it's also a viable solution to handle sub pages as actions?
546: [11:12:41] <Pynfk> for page types it's a bit different though, ModelAsController searches for <PageName> .'_Controller' specifically
547: [11:12:56] <Mike123> Zauberfisch , well there will be only forms
548: [11:13:15] <Zauberfisch> Mike123: then put each form into a class, and use just 1 controller
549: [11:13:16] <Mike123> ok and how do i specify url segment for each controller ?
550: [11:13:28] <Pynfk> Mike123: routes! :>
551: [11:13:34] <Pynfk> docs.silverstripe.org ;)
552: [11:14:01] <Mike123> Zauberdisch , u mean sub-class ?
553: [11:14:12] <Mike123> Pynfk :) thx :)
554: [11:15:08] <Mike123> Zauberfisch :)
555: [11:15:14] <Mike123> sorry for mistype
556: [11:17:50] <Mike123> Zauberfisch, i think i need different controller as i need templates for each of them ,seperatly
557: [11:19:39] <Mike123> Pynfk , http://kopy.io/0MKmh if i have page like this, this is my main (home) user-zone page, now i need to make sub pages(controllers) of this page , so that index would always check if there is any logged user etc
558: [11:19:45] <Mike123> how i do that?
559: [11:20:02] <Mike123> and nned to extend the controller only or the page itself ?
560: [11:20:09] <Mike123> need*
561: [11:22:04] <Zauberfisch> Mike123: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/ce6188585d5ccaef6982
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563: [11:22:43] <Zauberfisch> and the URLs will be:
564: [11:22:54] <Zauberfisch> mysite.tdl/urlsegment/step1
565: [11:22:55] <Zauberfisch> mysite.tdl/urlsegment/step2
566: [11:22:56] <Zauberfisch> mysite.tdl/urlsegment/step3
567: [11:23:34] <Zauberfisch> actually, made a small mistake, new version: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/1b62b6ba2461cd459ff7
568: [11:23:48] <Zauberfisch> Mike123: if I am not mistaken, this should be exaclty what you are looking for
569: [11:25:43] <Mike123> well yes, almost :) just that i need seperate controllers :/ its like a requirement
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572: [11:27:12] <Zauberfisch> Mike123: why?
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574: [11:28:57] <Mike123> well it' from documentation
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577: [11:50:15] <Zauberfisch> Mike123: what do you mean?
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582: [12:11:09] <Mike123> Zauberfisch :) nevermind :) thanks for your help , client want to manage those pages through CMS so i need to make page type anyway :)
583: [12:11:51] <Pynfk> lol, kopy.io also requires javascript :(
584: [12:12:16] <Pynfk> Mike123: have you checked out the MemberProfiles module?
585: [12:12:29] <Pynfk> It might not cover your use case, but could be worth looking at
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588: [12:15:51] <Mike123> Pynfk, :) yes, requires more chnages than to make new one :D
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592: [12:22:20] <Pynfk> Mike123: cool, just checking :)
593: [12:22:39] <Pynfk> Mike123: have you seen the MultistepForm?
594: [12:23:40] <Pynfk> bbl
595: [12:23:46] <Pynfk> ... maybe
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597: [12:28:01] <Mike123> Pynfk , no
598: [12:28:03] <Mike123> i havent
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600: [12:49:12] <cupcake> Pynfk swaiba ok then i want to know who is the parent of the widget area in which the current widget is?
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605: [13:03:44] <Copperis> is it possible to use PHP constants or variables in yml configurations?
606: [13:16:25] <Mike123> if my member has a has_one relation to gallery , how do i add if manualy ?
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608: [13:19:02] <Alboes> hi I have a problem with the TreeMultiselectField : I use it in a page with a many_many relation with a dataobject, but get this error when I click the field: Error at line 763 of /vagrant/www/framework/core/Object.php
609: [13:19:19] <Alboes> my code is here: http://www.sspaste.com/paste/show/55a7ae915c5cc
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616: [13:26:02] <swaiba> cupcake ok, so you *are* talking V2?
617: [13:26:43] <swaiba> basically V2 widgets are old news to me, but you only need to follow the code and relationships
618: [13:26:52] <swaiba> the V3 we have our own "widgets"
619: [13:31:33] <kinglozzer> Copperis: No, you can conditionally set config values based on env vars IIRC
620: [13:31:49] <kinglozzer> i.e. by adding only: foo to your header blocks
621: [13:32:50] <kinglozzer> Copperis: http://docs.silverstripe.org/en/3.1/developer_guides/configuration/configuration/#exclusionary-rules
622: [13:32:58] <kinglozzer> envvarset / constantdefined
623: [13:34:21] <Copperis> what are env vars in this context?
624: [13:36:09] <Copperis> oh, those are conditional rules?
625: [13:36:57] <Copperis> I have a repeating value throughout the yml, so I was searching for a solution to set in one place an reuse it throughout
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627: [13:37:13] <Copperis> seems it's not possible
628: [13:37:23] <Copperis> thanks, kinglozzer
629: [13:41:17] <Copperis> Mike123, if your relation is GalleryRel, then $Member->GalleryRelID = $GalleryID
630: [13:43:02] <cupcake> no worries
631: [13:43:08] <cupcake> solved it with onbeforewidgetrender
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633: [13:44:42] <Pyrnk> welp, apparently I've accidentally entered a half marathon.
634: [13:46:58] <kinglozzer> Pyrnk: whoops...
635: [13:47:03] <kinglozzer> how do you accidentally enter one? :P
636: [13:47:22] <Pyrnk> You ask for info, have no contact for two days, then get an entry confirmation email in return :<
637: [13:48:22] <Pyrnk> Guess I better start growing my hair out, shave in some lamb chops, and sort out a severe 80's jogging costume...
638: [13:48:33] <Pyrnk> like those 118 guys on channel 4 :P
639: [13:48:41] <Pyrnk> 018?
640: [13:48:43] <Pyrnk> something like that
641: [13:50:19] <Copperis> Alboes, do you need a TreeMultiselectField? Maybe you can use a ListboxField with multiselect?
642: [13:52:03] <Pyrnk> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rK0De210TBQ
643: [13:52:46] <Alboes> well, if TreeMultiselectField not works well I can try that, I found the TreeMultiselectField more beautiful
644: [13:54:21] <Copperis> Alboes, can you paste the full error that you're getting?
645: [13:57:24] <Alboes> this is the only error I get
646: [13:58:08] <Copperis> no stack trace?
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651: [14:12:53] <Alboes> Copperis no, I can't get. tried debug_trace and debug=1 but not so familiar with this debug tools
652: [14:16:00] <Copperis> Alboes, can you see a stack trace in the browser? Anyway, that error means something is calling a method that does not exist
653: [14:18:03] <Alboes> okay, now I tried the listboxfield and this works well. On second thoughts i find this a beautiful option as well
654: [14:18:13] <Alboes> thanks for help
655: [14:19:37] <Copperis> you're welcome
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666: [14:34:03] <elgabbu> why is the created field of dataObjects populated using the mysql's NOW() instead of SS_Datetime::now()->Format('Y-m-d H:i:s')
667: [14:38:15] <kinglozzer> elgabbu: In 3.2 it won't: https://github.com/silverstripe/silverstripe-framework/blob/3.2/model/DataObject.php#L1364
668: [14:41:11] <swaiba> : O
669: [14:41:16] <swaiba> moving to 3.2 now
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671: [14:46:18] <Copperis> for some reason my page stopped rendering after the <body> tag. Does anyone have any ideas what might have happened?
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675: [14:51:21] <swaiba> kinglozzer any idea on 3.2 eta? weeks, months, etc?
676: [14:51:37] <cloph> Copperis: your php logs should have a hint.
677: [14:53:06] <Copperis> cloph, nope, they were empty. So I left some <% if %> tags unclosed. That caused it
678: [14:53:38] <cloph> ah, for that silverstripe's debug.log should help :-)
679: [14:53:58] <kinglozzer> swaiba: Not sure.. the original plan was to release a new beta every 1 - 2 weeks but that hasn't happened
680: [14:54:04] <kinglozzer> I'd expect a second beta fairly soon
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682: [14:54:58] <swaiba> ok thanks, I know I cannot get an exact anser but I'm looking at going with it for something in 2 months or not
683: [14:55:02] <swaiba> hmpf
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685: [14:57:19] <Pyrnk> swaiba: I'd think 2+ months.
686: [14:57:27] <Pyrnk> release within 4 I'd say.
687: [14:57:40] <Pyrnk> Things tend to move slow like.
688: [14:57:54] <swaiba> yeah, I've been around for 5 years+ on this
689: [14:58:15] <swaiba> I'm just shocked at the above and it will have an effect on our testing I think
690: [14:59:37] <kinglozzer> Pyrnk, swaiba: Just going over the last core committers meeting minutes r.e. 3.2, "3 beta cycles of 4 weeks each before RC"
691: [14:59:39] <Pyrnk> swaiba: oh?
692: [14:59:55] <Pyrnk> kinglozzer: yeah, but then how long RC?
693: [14:59:57] <Pyrnk> ;)
694: [15:00:01] <kinglozzer> I'm not sure that we'll need a third beta though
695: [15:00:03] <Pyrnk> there's usually 2
696: [15:00:21] <Pyrnk> when does feature freeze hit?
697: [15:00:43] <kinglozzer> Pyrnk: beta
698: [15:00:49] <kinglozzer> beta 1
699: [15:00:57] <Pyrnk> not here yet tho right?
700: [15:00:57] <swaiba> Pyrnk we rely on Created and Lastedited for stuff and are moving to use the SS_Datetime and behat - I see some difficulties
701: [15:01:00] <kinglozzer> Well, it should...
702: [15:01:10] <swaiba> I'm uprised they haven't come up yet and I'm looking into it
703: [15:01:12] <Pyrnk> heh
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705: [15:01:29] <PenguinMan98> mornin
706: [15:01:33] <Pyrnk> eyy, it's PenguinMan98 !
707: [15:01:40] <swaiba> Pyrnk I just downloaded it - its there...
708: [15:01:42] <PenguinMan98> wow
709: [15:01:51] <swaiba> PenguinMan98 afternoon
710: [15:01:51] <Pyrnk> swaiba: what's where?
711: [15:01:56] <kinglozzer> Pyrnk: 3.2 is already at feature freeze state, with the probable exception of https://github.com/silverstripe/silverstripe-framework/pull/4403
712: [15:02:27] <kinglozzer> But that's partly because we made life difficult for ourselves pre-semver by throwing deprecation notices all over the place
713: [15:02:30] <Pyrnk> dafook would you disable deprecations?
714: [15:02:30] <swaiba> http://www.silverstripe.org/assets/releases/SilverStripe-cms-v3.2.0-beta1.tar.gz
715: [15:02:30] <PenguinMan98> today I get to figure out why the tinymce editor isn't appearing on the staging server even though it works fine in my local dev environment. Any ideas would be appreciated.
716: [15:02:42] <Pyrnk> swaiba: oh, there on the site, gotcha
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718: [15:02:52] <kinglozzer> PenguinMan98: gzip stuff?
719: [15:03:00] <PenguinMan98> kinglozzer: come again?
720: [15:03:03] <Pyrnk> PenguinMan98: usually something to do with permissions on the framework/thirdparty
721: [15:03:23] <Pyrnk> possibly not FS permissions, but rather .htaccess or what have you
722: [15:03:48] <PenguinMan98> Well, we had to update the permissions on the assets folder so the image uploads would work
723: [15:03:54] <kinglozzer> PenguinMan98: It does some stuff with gzipping configuration, can't remember what. Watch your web inspector, there should be a request to tinymce_gzip.php or something
724: [15:03:56] <PenguinMan98> That much we already fixed
725: [15:03:58] <Pyrnk> PenguinMan98: ensure if your environments are different (eg nginx on server, apache on dev) that all .htaccess files are set up equivalent in each system.
726: [15:04:18] <PenguinMan98> our staging should be using apache same as dev
727: [15:04:30] <Pyrnk> PenguinMan98: best if they're _exactly_ the same.
728: [15:04:42] <Pyrnk> ops team should have some recipies on that
729: [15:07:18] <Pyrnk> ie, vagrant, ansible, etc.
730: [15:07:21] <Pyrnk> something like that
731: [15:08:12] <PenguinMan98> both are using apache 2.4.*
732: [15:08:28] <PenguinMan98> staging is using 2.4.7
733: [15:08:46] <PenguinMan98> local is using 2.4.12
734: [15:09:32] <Pyrnk> PenguinMan98: that aside (not the most important thing here), as kinglozzer suggested, watch the requests go out. Ensure dev mode is on. Enable display errors, etc. See what comes back in the console.
735: [15:09:48] <Pyrnk> 302 probably
736: [15:09:48] * PenguinMan98 nods
737: [15:09:54] <Pyrnk> err, no, 402
738: [15:09:56] <Pyrnk> 504
739: [15:10:01] <Pyrnk> fuck, whatever forbidden is
740: [15:10:10] <PenguinMan98> 403
741: [15:10:13] <Pyrnk> yeh that one :>
742: [15:10:15] <kinglozzer> :P
743: [15:10:21] * Pyrnk brain fades
744: [15:11:38] <PenguinMan98> I'm getting some 401's
745: [15:12:59] <kinglozzer> As far as I'm aware, no core code throws 401
746: [15:13:10] <kinglozzer> Sounds like a web server issue to me
747: [15:13:17] <PenguinMan98> sounds like it to me too
748: [15:13:28] <kinglozzer> BasicAuth throws 401, do you have that enabled?
749: [15:13:36] <PenguinMan98> if I copy the requested url and load it, then it pulls up just fine
750: [15:13:50] <PenguinMan98> but the page fails to load it
751: [15:14:14] <PenguinMan98> oh hang on
752: [15:14:22] <PenguinMan98> security just booted me out of the admin area
753: [15:14:57] <PenguinMan98> yep, still with the 401
754: [15:15:09] <PenguinMan98> looks like all the .js and .css
755: [15:15:32] <kinglozzer> Pyrnk: Help me out man.. am I being stupid here, or is this unset() unnecessary? https://github.com/silverstripe/silverstripe-framework/pull/4325#discussion-diff-34549020
756: [15:18:11] <PenguinMan98> there it is, as kinglozzer predicted
757: [15:18:20] <PenguinMan98> tinymce_gzip
758: [15:18:36] <PenguinMan98> 401
759: [15:19:08] <Pyrnk> which unset where kinglozzer?
760: [15:19:33] <PenguinMan98> if I refresh the page though, then I get the green 200 and it loads the tiny_mce_gzip.php
761: [15:19:42] <PenguinMan98> but the editor still doesn't appear on the page
762: [15:19:59] <kinglozzer> Pyrnk: https://github.com/dhensby/silverstripe-framework/blob/pulls/http-fix/control/HTTP.php#L390
763: [15:20:03] <PenguinMan98> in fact, now all of my 401's are gone
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765: [15:20:55] <Pyrnk> kinglozzer: if they're used again later, someone has written some shit hack.
766: [15:21:54] <Pyrnk> kinglozzer: it's encapsulated in a function with no hook point.
767: [15:22:01] <Pyrnk> I don't understand it particularly.
768: [15:22:11] <Pyrnk> (the call for the need of it)
769: [15:22:48] <PenguinMan98> so now everything is loading properly but the editor still fails to appear
770: [15:24:06] <Pyrnk> PenguinMan98: there'll still be another code.
771: [15:24:17] <Pyrnk> tinymce_gzip.php
772: [15:24:37] <Pyrnk> isn't in framework as such (it is in framework/thirdparty - not 'SS' handled)
773: [15:24:47] <Pyrnk> by ss handled I mean not in manifest.
774: [15:24:56] <Pyrnk> no autoloady mangic.
775: [15:24:59] <Pyrnk> magic*
776: [15:25:11] <Pyrnk> inb4 freudian slip call.
777: [15:25:40] <Pyrnk> PenguinMan98: it's almost always an access/permission issue, otherwise check something daft like double gzipping isn't happening
778: [15:26:07] <PenguinMan98> I don't know how to check for that
779: [15:27:04] <PenguinMan98> steging env has been set to dev
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781: [15:27:36] <Pyrnk> PenguinMan98: ask ops team to check then :>
782: [15:27:54] <PenguinMan98> I am the ops team
783: [15:28:46] <kinglozzer> devops ;)
784: [15:28:54] <PenguinMan98> that too
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787: [15:29:09] <travis-ci> silverstripe/silverstripe-framework#5345 (3.1 - 271f64e : Daniel Hensby): The build passed.
788: [15:29:09] <travis-ci> Change view : https://github.com/silverstripe/silverstripe-framework/compare/bd316b900266...271f64e9b29a
789: [15:29:09] <travis-ci> Build details : https://travis-ci.org/silverstripe/silverstripe-framework/builds/71270818
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791: [15:29:16] <Pyrnk> PenguinMan98: oh. Best google it then! :>
792: [15:29:22] <PenguinMan98> It's not my fault but it is my problem
793: [15:29:23] <Pyrnk> (idk either :< )
794: [15:29:39] <PenguinMan98> Where does SS set error reporting levels?
795: [15:29:44] <Pyrnk> bootstrap
796: [15:29:49] <Pyrnk> it turns everything on
797: [15:30:09] <Pyrnk> provided it's allowed to (ie, php is configured to allow it to do such at runtime)
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799: [15:34:29] <PenguinMan98> looking through google on tinymce editor issues, Im' not sure how much of it I can use since SS customizes it a lot
800: [15:36:36] <PenguinMan98> same problem in all browsers
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803: [15:51:13] <travis-ci> Change view : https://github.com/dhensby/silverstripe-framework/compare/afa0bb9e87f0...188765bd45a1
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806: [15:56:55] <Pyrnk> PenguinMan98: it's pretty much all the same.
807: [15:57:35] <Pyrnk> SS customises tinymce in the way of plugins, not the core. The issue with upgrading tinymce (the reason it's so out of date) is plugin compatibility - no one wants to rewrite all the plugins each time tinymce updates their shit api
808: [15:57:46] <Pyrnk> or something like that, idk, i'm not CMS core.
809: [15:57:51] <Pyrnk> or framework core.
810: [15:57:52] <Pyrnk> or core.
811: [15:58:05] <Pyrnk> tell kinglozzer to fixit
812: [15:58:10] <kinglozzer> NO U
813: [15:58:12] <kinglozzer> fix what?
814: [15:58:17] <Pyrnk> kinglozzer: document reasons tinymce doesn't work in dox
815: [15:58:23] <Pyrnk> troubleshooting:
816: [15:58:28] <kinglozzer> Ugh TinyMCE? I'm staying the hell away from that :P
817: [15:58:28] <Pyrnk> boom:
818: [15:58:30] <Pyrnk> boom:
819: [15:58:31] <Pyrnk> boom:
820: [15:58:35] <Pyrnk> haha
821: [15:58:44] <Pyrnk> shithead :<
822: [15:58:58] <kinglozzer> It's being upgraded at some point
823: [15:59:02] <kinglozzer> When that point is... no idea
824: [15:59:03] <kinglozzer> Probably 4
825: [15:59:06] <Pyrnk> but seriously though PenguinMan98 - it's generally access or permissions.
826: [15:59:11] <Pyrnk> the trick is figuring out which :<
827: [15:59:32] <Pyrnk> kinglozzer: everything is 'probably 4'
828: [15:59:39] <Pyrnk> it's like this mythical beast that will never be.
829: [15:59:51] <kinglozzer> Pyrnk: YOU HAVE TO BELIEVE
830: [15:59:52] <Pyrnk> With the amount of shit in backlog it'll more likely be 8
831: [16:00:10] <Pyrnk> because should release some of the shit that's being held back far more timely than that
832: [16:00:34] <Pyrnk> everyone does it, it's no biggie. 4, 5, 6, 7, firefox is up to like a billion already
833: [16:00:37] <Pyrnk> GOSH
834: [16:01:26] <swaiba> I'd say that TinyMCE should be optional, things like textile or more basic dependable items sould be the core
835: [16:06:34] <kinglozzer> Namespaces are priority 1
836: [16:06:58] <kinglozzer> Mainly because they kinda facilitate everything else... autoloading, thirdparty libs etc
837: [16:07:48] <kinglozzer> Pyrnk: Yeah we need easier + faster releases so we can release more often, it's being worked quite heavily atm
838: [16:11:56] <catcher> I'm bailing soon guys, you're going to miss me.
839: [16:12:32] <catcher> Starting a new RoR gig soon.
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842: [16:20:08] <catcher> Or maybe you won't. :)
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846: [16:31:05] * kinglozzer home time
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849: [16:37:00] <r3v3rb> quick question, how do I get a function on my homepage to run as the controller wants to redirect to it instead?
850: [16:37:48] <r3v3rb> it’s a global function in the Page class that can be called anywhere on the site, but when on the homepage it tries to redirect instead of calling the function…
851: [16:39:26] <PenguinMan98> So access or permissions hmm? I'll keep looking then
852: [16:40:14] <r3v3rb> {$BaseHref}{$Top.URLSegment} works a treat
853: [16:40:27] <r3v3rb> ignore previous comments - please
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857: [16:44:49] <swaiba> \0/ end of another work day, bye all
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859: [16:47:53] <PenguinMan98> does the tinymce stay contained in its folder silverstripe-tinymce4/thirdparty/tinymce ?
860: [16:48:04] <PenguinMan98> Or does it try to write temp files elsewhere in the file structure?
861: [16:53:04] * cloph_away is now known as cloph
862: [16:58:03] <PenguinMan98> that path.. it's not in my local
863: [16:59:38] <PenguinMan98> only on stage
864: [17:01:33] <PenguinMan98> deleting the folder reveals that it's installed into the manifest
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866: [17:05:02] <PenguinMan98> hmm
867: [17:05:17] <PenguinMan98> When you install a silverstripe module with composer, what all does it do?
868: [17:05:26] <PenguinMan98> I thought it just put the folder in
869: [17:05:33] <PenguinMan98> but it seems there is more to it
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880: [17:35:54] <travis-ci> silverstripe/silverstripe-framework#5348 (3.2 - 64d14e5 : Sam Minnee): The build has errored.
881: [17:35:54] <travis-ci> Change view : https://github.com/silverstripe/silverstripe-framework/compare/52b0b402492e...64d14e51eb23
882: [17:35:54] <travis-ci> Build details : https://travis-ci.org/silverstripe/silverstripe-framework/builds/71290333
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888: [17:51:25] <travis-ci> silverstripe/silverstripe-framework#5349 (3.2 - 5eec755 : Daniel Hensby): The build passed.
889: [17:51:25] <travis-ci> Change view : https://github.com/silverstripe/silverstripe-framework/compare/64d14e51eb23...5eec755d1736
890: [17:51:25] <travis-ci> Build details : https://travis-ci.org/silverstripe/silverstripe-framework/builds/71291372
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893: [18:00:36] <PenguinMan98> https://github.com/Mediaweb/silverstripe-tinymce4
894: [18:01:03] <PenguinMan98> When using this module, beware: using HTMLEditorField will probably break the admin. Replace all occurences with CustomHTMLEditorField.
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897: [18:04:58] <PenguinMan98> Uninstalling it fixed all my problems
898: [18:05:44] <PenguinMan98> I'm not sure how it took me so long to figure out how to uninstall it
899: [18:06:01] <PenguinMan98> but it's gone now
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905: [18:57:49] <Firesphere> \o folks
906: [19:06:54] <wmk> o/
907: [19:13:16] <Firesphere> I just e-mailed you wmk ;) No rush, but could you get back on us on it?
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913: [19:27:04] <r3v3rb> wmk o/
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921: [19:56:52] <darjus01> http://www.sspaste.com/paste/show/55a80c5232579 how to put [0] element to php var in this case?
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923: [19:57:38] <Firesphere> darjus01: Convert::xml2array
924: [19:59:02] <darjus01> Firesphere: Convert destroyes attributes
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926: [20:00:08] <Firesphere> For a reason, yeah. but if you really need to, assign the thing you want to read to a variable, and do $converted->{$thing}
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928: [20:01:06] <darjus01> so to access that string in 0 element i need to convert and attributes i will not convert?
929: [20:02:09] <Firesphere> Just convert it to array in the way you want, and it should be available.
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931: [20:04:37] <darjus01> I tried convert xml but it destroyed id attribute and i could not get id atribute with name
932: [20:04:53] <darjus01> so i used xpath
933: [20:04:59] <Firesphere> Manually convert
934: [20:05:14] <Firesphere> Or indeed use xpath and assign the steps to variabxles, works fine.
935: [20:05:14] <darjus01> manually?
936: [20:06:21] <darjus01> yes but how to put tht name frim 0 element if i put ->0 i get error
937: [20:09:38] <darjus01> goted
938: [20:09:45] <darjus01> (string)$mun->{0}
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944: [20:38:06] <antmas> morning team o/
945: [20:38:48] <antmas> I have a textfield with that when it comes through on an email template, it reads as $MyFieldName instead of the value
946: [20:39:00] <antmas> what causes that? Because it's driving me nuts that this ONE field does it :/
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948: [20:42:12] <Firesphere> Backend or frontend?
949: [20:42:22] <antmas> front
950: [20:42:56] <antmas> like I have new textfield('MyFieldName', 'here is a label')
951: [20:43:12] <antmas> and in my template I simply do $MyFieldName (same as all my other fields)
952: [20:43:22] <antmas> but no workies!
953: [20:44:35] <Firesphere> Ok, Ehm, example on sspaste please? Because I can't tell you right now, what's going wrong
954: [20:44:39] <Firesphere> ;q4p.y kx6fg7mb 0rc9lvz=\
955: [20:44:42] <Firesphere> +
956: [20:45:09] <Firesphere> Whoops, sorry, about that! That was a cat walking on the keyboard.
957: [20:45:20] <antmas> lol
958: [20:45:21] <antmas> all good
959: [20:45:35] <antmas> Firesphere: tis a private form, so will pm you in a sec
960: [20:45:59] <Firesphere> The code can't be that secret, right?
961: [20:46:13] <Firesphere> But yeah, if you want to keep it private, DM me.
962: [20:46:27] <antmas> it kinda is (local govt)
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965: [20:48:56] <helenclarko> o/
966: [20:49:06] <Jakx> Upgrading an old project from 2.4 -> 3.1, getting this error: Notice: Use of undefined constant MARK_DIAMOND in framework\core\manifest\ConfigStaticManifest.php(371) : eval()'d code on line 1
967: [20:49:17] <Jakx> Anyone encountered this before?
968: [20:51:26] <antmas> helenclarko: Jakx o/
969: [20:52:34] <antmas> Jakx: what's MARK_DIAMOND in that case? (besides an epic porn name)
970: [20:53:10] <Jakx> antmas, lol!
971: [20:53:26] <helenclarko> Yea, dont search MARK_DIAMOND. Big Mistake.
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974: [20:54:04] <helenclarko> Jks, turns out he is just a con man.
975: [20:54:13] <antmas> lol
976: [20:54:14] <Jakx> antmas, no idea. At present, this is a clean db, installed with the core 3.1.13 install script, and then additional modules added (there are many).
977: [20:54:52] <Firesphere> Goodnight folks. I need my bedtime today :)
978: [20:54:57] <Jakx> I'm going to assume these constants appear in of the additional libraries.
979: [20:55:05] <antmas> Jakx: mmm it's having trouble adding that to the manifest - my first thought would be to track that MARK_DIAMOND down and see what module it relates to
980: [20:55:24] <Jakx> antmas, cheers, appreciate the perspective. ty.
981: [20:56:20] <antmas> Jakx: np, 2.4-3.1 is a big jump so random errors are likely especially with modules (and it looks like custom code in your case)
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983: [20:59:22] <helenclarko> Yea > made the mistake of dumping my themes, mysite and addon folders from a 2.4 to 3.1 site. Of course it failed. I ended up rewriting a bunch of addons that didnt exist on 3.1 and then grabbing the latest version of all addons. Then manually typed up every page.
984: [20:59:52] <antmas> ugh yeah I know that feeling
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986: [21:01:28] <helenclarko> When I say typed up, I mean copy and paste and add styling.
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990: [21:19:21] <Pyromanik> saaap bishes
991: [21:19:42] <Pyromanik> zomg 'lo Jakx :>
992: [21:19:46] <Pyromanik> \[
993: [21:19:48] <Pyromanik> \o
994: [21:20:20] <Jakx> Pyromanik, hey dude.
995: [21:20:31] <Pyromanik> Put any mixes on the line recently Jakx ? :>
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997: [21:21:28] <Jakx> Pyromanik, ahah. Nah man, it's been a long while since I've even had a mix. New things to focus on of late.
998: [21:21:48] <Pyromanik> Yeh, truth.
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1005: [21:27:58] <zippy> morn
1006: [21:29:14] <jorgearal> Hi, I'm newbie with SS and I'm from Colombia (sorry for my english), I'm trying to customize the search form in the Pages section on the CMS. I tried with "getDefaultSearchContext" but looks like it doesn't work with objects that extends from Page, can someone help me?
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1012: [21:36:46] <Kingy> neilfse?
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1015: [21:38:59] <Pyromanik> jorgearal, there's a search form in the pages section on the cms?
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1017: [21:41:26] <Ryan-Toast> Friday mother fuuuccckkkeeerrrrr
1018: [21:44:40] <zippy> w00t
1019: [21:47:24] <Ryan-Toast> Half day for me too :D
1020: [21:47:52] <Kingy> nice Ryan-Toast
1021: [21:48:02] <Ryan-Toast> Off to the mountain for some snowfalling
1022: [21:48:08] <Ryan-Toast> snowboarding**
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1024: [21:48:45] <Kingy> lol snowfalling
1025: [21:48:51] <Kingy> which mountain you going to ?
1026: [21:48:58] <Ryan-Toast> Ruhepehu
1027: [21:49:04] <Ryan-Toast> Or how ever you spell it.
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1030: [21:50:51] <adrexia_> I got given a picture of a llama by our high school work experience dev as a leaving present :D
1031: [21:51:02] <adrexia_> in a Elmo bag :D
1032: [21:51:13] <adrexia_> best gift ever
1033: [21:51:54] <adrexia_> and like a million cupcakes from another team member. I should leave Catalyst every day
1034: [21:52:40] <xyphoid_> where are you off to next
1035: [21:52:48] <adrexia_> DNA
1036: [21:52:51] <adrexia_> I start Monday
1037: [21:53:33] <Ryan-Toast> adrexia: haha, that’s amazing.
1038: [21:53:39] <xyphoid_> no rest!
1039: [21:54:26] <adrexia_> yeah
1040: [21:57:18] <antmas> holy shit grabaseat
1041: [21:57:25] <adrexia_> I know, right?
1042: [21:57:30] <antmas> $90 to vanuatu?!?!?!
1043: [21:57:33] <adrexia_> might as well be free
1044: [21:59:49] <antmas> lol the site is getting HAMMERED
1045: [21:59:53] <Kingy> weekend trip
1046: [22:00:15] <adrexia_> $2 flights to Hamilton! ;)
1047: [22:00:21] <Kingy> palmy to chch
1048: [22:00:22] <Kingy> go go go
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1050: [22:00:34] <antmas> all the nelson ones are gone :|
1051: [22:00:36] <antmas> that was fast
1052: [22:01:19] <zippy> antmas: cos we are AWESOME
1053: [22:01:26] <antmas> lol
1054: [22:01:30] <antmas> or desparate to leave
1055: [22:01:32] <antmas> :P
1056: [22:01:33] <zippy> loll
1057: [22:01:34] <Kingy> yeah i probably don't need to buy tickets to a place im going to be 18 hours away from
1058: [22:01:44] <zippy> Casting things is handy
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1061: [22:04:09] <zippy> UncleCheese: o/
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1063: [22:04:19] <UncleCheese> yo
1064: [22:04:34] <zippy> your dual flat situation ever sort it's self?
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1067: [22:09:18] <Pyromanik> adrexia, grats on new job :>
1068: [22:09:40] <adrexia> thanks
1069: [22:09:42] <adrexia> :)
1070: [22:09:53] <Pyromanik> js ux senior?
1071: [22:10:03] <Ryan-Toast> adrexia: what’s DNA?
1072: [22:10:12] <Ryan-Toast> also the rest of you, don’t be smart asses.
1073: [22:10:12] <Pyromanik> dnadesign.co.nz
1074: [22:10:22] <Pyromanik> or sommet liek that
1075: [22:10:40] <adrexia> technically just 'senior dev '
1076: [22:10:42] <Pyromanik> or doxxxxxxxxxxxxy ribonucleaic acid.
1077: [22:11:01] <Pyromanik> like RNA, but with a D, making it double awesome.
1078: [22:11:12] <Pyromanik> dat double helix double awesome.
1079: [22:11:36] <Pyromanik> adrexia, oh, so leaving the js behind?
1080: [22:12:07] <Pyromanik> well whatta ya know Ryan-Toast, it's just dna.co.nz
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1082: [22:12:35] <Pyromanik> adrexia, if I can't get a job at the mothership, will you make a hole for me?
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1084: [22:12:53] <Pyromanik> does willr still work there?
1085: [22:13:22] <zippy> http://dna.co.nz/assets/Uploads/youmoney-website.jpg - no-one write that neatly on a whiteboard
1086: [22:13:37] <zippy> thats pretty crazy looking..
1087: [22:13:46] <zippy> I think it's a whiteboard
1088: [22:14:37] <Ryan-Toast> zippy: looks like printed off stuff.
1089: [22:14:50] <Ryan-Toast> and vivid drawn on it
1090: [22:14:55] <zippy> it does, and then some vivid
1091: [22:15:10] <adrexia>
1092: [22:15:12] <adrexia> adrexia, oh, so leaving the js behind?
1093: [22:15:12] <adrexia> never
1094: [22:15:22] <adrexia> Pyromanik:
1095: [22:15:22] <adrexia> does willr still work there?
1096: [22:15:24] <adrexia> yep
1097: [22:15:50] <Pyromanik> cool
1098: [22:16:08] <adrexia> yeah, js is everywhere
1099: [22:16:18] <adrexia> I can't imagine just not doing js stuff
1100: [22:16:19] <Pyromanik> yeh but I meant predominantly
1101: [22:17:08] <Pyromanik> fuck, I already got too much shit to do, and I accidentally entered a half marathon :<
1102: [22:17:23] <Pyromanik> Now I gotta like run 'n shit on top of that :<
1103: [22:17:36] <Pyromanik> I hate running, it's boring as fuck :S
1104: [22:17:58] <zippy> runnings not bad
1105: [22:17:59] <Pyromanik> what do Firesphere ?
1106: [22:18:02] <zippy> get some tunes
1107: [22:18:04] <zippy> decent shoes
1108: [22:18:11] <Pyromanik> nah coz I have neither of those things
1109: [22:18:19] <Pyromanik> plus I dun like tunes when run.
1110: [22:18:22] <Pyromanik> annoying.
1111: [22:19:52] <zippy> some people do audiobooks, I can't do that
1112: [22:19:59] <Pyromanik> neither.
1113: [22:20:04] <Pyromanik> add, can't concentrate on them.
1114: [22:20:19] <Pyromanik> well, maybe not, but the fact remains, my mind wanders.
1115: [22:20:46] <Ryan-Toast> Pyromanik: Yu don’t like tunes when running?
1116: [22:20:52] <Pyromanik> nah
1117: [22:21:00] <Ryan-Toast> I can’t imagine not having tunes.
1118: [22:21:01] <Pyromanik> just get in the way.
1119: [22:21:06] <Ryan-Toast> In the way of?
1120: [22:21:15] <Pyromanik> fuck'n earphones man, how the shit do they work?
1121: [22:21:21] <Pyromanik> I dunno about you, but I move when I run.
1122: [22:21:28] <Ryan-Toast> Armband, and sports earbuds
1123: [22:21:36] <Ryan-Toast> wire under the shirt./
1124: [22:21:39] <Ryan-Toast> boom
1125: [22:21:40] <Pyromanik> :< can't deal with it.
1126: [22:21:48] <Pyromanik> it's like claustraphobia for the ears.
1127: [22:21:50] <zippy> Armband? gtfo
1128: [22:21:52] <Ryan-Toast> You need to step up your listening game.
1129: [22:22:01] <zippy> sports earbuds - yep :)
1130: [22:22:15] <Pyromanik> them the ones with the hearing aid like hook on them?
1131: [22:22:19] <zippy> yea
1132: [22:22:26] <Pyromanik> yeah, rather not get run over tho.
1133: [22:22:27] <Ryan-Toast> zippy: stopps your phone/ipod bouncing about around your waist.
1134: [22:22:36] <Pyromanik> and there's that
1135: [22:22:40] <Pyromanik> again, I move.
1136: [22:22:55] <Ryan-Toast> Armband
1137: [22:22:58] <Pyromanik> armstrap or not, the weight moves.
1138: [22:23:05] <Ryan-Toast> Neg
1139: [22:23:12] <Pyromanik> plus don't hear traffic.
1140: [22:23:17] <helenclarko> helmet with speakers built in?
1141: [22:23:18] <Ryan-Toast> One earbud then.
1142: [22:23:28] <Pyromanik> then the sound is shit.
1143: [22:23:34] <Pyromanik> and can't hear traffic.
1144: [22:24:08] <Pyromanik> I mean I get it and all
1145: [22:24:13] <Pyromanik> sometimes tunes are nice
1146: [22:24:17] <Pyromanik> and they can pace you out
1147: [22:24:19] <Pyromanik> but...
1148: [22:24:22] <Ryan-Toast> I have a zombie run app, it’s pretty fun :3
1149: [22:24:27] <Pyromanik> overall they annoy me.
1150: [22:24:35] <Kingy> I don't always like sounds when running
1151: [22:24:36] <Pyromanik> plus running is boring as fuck.
1152: [22:24:41] <Kingy> quite good to just run an think
1153: [22:24:49] <Ryan-Toast> I have some waterproof headphones for swimming :D
1154: [22:24:49] <Pyromanik> being bored as fuck AND annoyed... shit I can't handle that.
1155: [22:24:57] <Kingy> specially when stressed at work
1156: [22:25:05] <Kingy> just run run run
1157: [22:25:07] <Pyromanik> yeh, baiscally Kingy
1158: [22:25:19] <Pyromanik> my mind never stops tho, so it's always thinking about some shit.
1159: [22:25:35] <Pyromanik> zone out
1160: [22:26:05] <Pyromanik> anyway, so how far is a half marathon?
1161: [22:26:10] <Pyromanik> like 21 Km or some shit right?
1162: [22:26:19] <Pyromanik> or is it 21Mi for a full marathon?
1163: [22:26:24] <Pyromanik> idek
1164: [22:26:34] <helenclarko> Headphones? http://blog.boombotix.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/huge-headphones.jpg
1165: [22:26:48] <zippy> With a form
1166: [22:26:55] <Pyromanik> nah earphones
1167: [22:26:58] <Pyromanik> helenclarko,
1168: [22:27:02] <zippy> I submit it, and then redirect back - but then I want to anchor down to the form (its at the bottom of the page)
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1170: [22:27:19] <Pyromanik> 1 half marathon =
1171: [22:27:19] <Pyromanik> 21.097494 kilometres
1172: [22:27:27] <Pyromanik> thanks google, that's awefully specific of you.
1173: [22:27:58] <zippy> when is it, and how far can you run currently?
1174: [22:27:58] <Pyromanik> so what's a good time for a half marathon?
1175: [22:28:12] <Pyromanik> zippy, I haven't run since ... like... fuck. School or some shit.
1176: [22:28:14] <helenclarko> no time... EVER!
1177: [22:28:18] <zippy> lol
1178: [22:28:29] <zippy> I like 5 minute kms myself, that is about my good speed
1179: [22:28:38] <Pyromanik> a few 100m sprints on the hockey field... like 2 years ago.
1180: [22:28:40] <zippy> when I am not very fit it's more like 5:30
1181: [22:29:02] <Pyromanik> so apparently I can already walk a half marathon in 2.5 hours.
1182: [22:29:12] <zippy> lol
1183: [22:29:24] <Pyromanik> thanks google, you're a star.
1184: [22:29:26] <helenclarko> Maybe 11am.
1185: [22:29:31] <zippy> I think avg walking speed is about 10-15 mins a km
1186: [22:29:44] <Pyromanik> really?
1187: [22:30:04] <Ryan-Toast> zippy: lol no way
1188: [22:30:05] <Pyromanik> You a fuck'n gastropod or something?
1189: [22:30:06] <zippy> the average human walking speed is about 5.0 kilometres per hour (km/h), or about 3.1 miles per hour (mph).
1190: [22:30:43] <Pyromanik> that google?
1191: [22:31:00] <Pyromanik> google's full of shit. Or got data from the 1950s or something.
1192: [22:31:11] <zippy> annd wikipedia
1193: [22:31:11] <Pyromanik> modern humans move at fuck-all per hour.
1194: [22:31:25] <Pyromanik> devolving into slugs bruv.
1195: [22:31:31] <zippy> but yea so anyway
1196: [22:31:37] <zippy> you wouldn't be walking it in 2.5 hrs :)
1197: [22:31:45] <zippy> go for 6 min kms
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1199: [22:31:54] <Pyromanik> zippy, I don't think you understand.
1200: [22:32:13] <Pyromanik> I'm not saying I think I can, I'm saying I can.
1201: [22:32:29] <zippy> ok sweet
1202: [22:32:59] <Pyromanik> 21/8.5 = 2.5
1203: [22:33:51] <Pyromanik> according to google
1204: [22:33:53] <Kingy> zippy: 5min km
1205: [22:33:54] <Kingy> fuck you
1206: [22:34:15] <zippy> makes me feel like an ethiopian
1207: [22:34:29] <helenclarko> lol
1208: [22:34:35] <Pyromanik> what's 8.5/5minstoanhour?
1209: [22:34:54] <zippy> what
1210: [22:35:10] <Pyromanik> well there's 12 5 min segments in an hour right
1211: [22:35:20] <zippy> yes
1212: [22:35:25] <Pyromanik> so I'm asking 8.5/12
1213: [22:35:27] <zippy> yes checks out, 12 numbers
1214: [22:36:39] <zippy> 8.5/12 or 8.5/60 ?
1215: [22:37:15] <zippy> a + b = y?
1216: [22:37:30] <zippy> so a form
1217: [22:37:31] <Pyromanik> idk, I'm lost
1218: [22:37:38] <zippy> where is 8.5 coming from?
1219: [22:37:39] <zippy> and
1220: [22:37:44] <zippy> how can I redirect back to the form
1221: [22:37:58] <Pyromanik> well how far in 5 mins is 8.5Km/h?
1222: [22:38:31] <Pyromanik> 0.7Km.
1223: [22:38:33] <Pyromanik> I guess.
1224: [22:38:36] <zippy> yea
1225: [22:38:37] <Pyromanik> I'm confused now.
1226: [22:39:23] <zippy> 8.5km/h is 1km every 7 minus?
1227: [22:40:46] <Kingy> just over 7min
1228: [22:40:50] <Kingy> 7min you'll do 991m
1229: [22:41:48] <Pyromanik> 7 and a quarter
1230: [22:42:10] <Pyromanik> 7.25 min Kilometers.
1231: [22:42:20] <Pyromanik> 7.25 min/Kilometer
1232: [22:42:32] <Pyromanik> that's how fast I go zippy
1233: [22:42:43] <Pyromanik> 5Mi/hr
1234: [22:43:32] <Kingy> i did my fastest 5k in 24.20
1235: [22:43:38] <Kingy> just under 5min ks
1236: [22:43:41] <Kingy> was dead
1237: [22:44:07] <Pyromanik> The irony is when I run to the train station it takes me 17 minutes.
1238: [22:44:12] <Pyromanik> if I walk to the train station
1239: [22:44:17] <Pyromanik> it takes me 15.
1240: [22:44:34] <Kingy> lol how does that work
1241: [22:44:42] <Pyromanik> I'm a fucking time traveller, that's how.
1242: [22:45:00] <Pyromanik> (idek)
1243: [22:46:08] <Pyromanik> So expanding this theory, if I walk this half marathon, I'll finish before i started :>
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1246: [22:47:33] <Pyromanik> I guess running tires one out faster Kingy, thus slower.
1247: [22:47:35] <Pyromanik> idk.
1248: [22:48:02] <Pyromanik> not looking forward to being bored as fuck for 21 klick tho :<
1249: [22:48:20] <Pyromanik> so that'll be amusing.
1250: [22:48:29] <zippy> Kingy: good effort
1251: [22:48:36] <zippy> sub 25s are nice
1252: [22:48:45] <Kingy> then i think i watched the berlin marathon where they broke the world record
1253: [22:48:52] <Kingy> 42km in 2:08
1254: [22:48:56] <Kingy> dafuq is that shit
1255: [22:49:11] <Pyromanik> wait what?
1256: [22:49:17] <Pyromanik> oh 2 HOURS
1257: [22:49:20] <Kingy> 2h 8min
1258: [22:49:21] <Kingy> lol
1259: [22:49:29] <Kingy> but still
1260: [22:49:39] <Pyromanik> yeah that's fast like.
1261: [22:49:48] <Pyromanik> so I knew this champion runner right.
1262: [22:49:55] <Pyromanik> well, second seed NZ I believe.
1263: [22:50:07] <Pyromanik> average pace 3m Kms he reckoned.
1264: [22:50:16] <Kingy> Pyromanik: to put it in perspective
1265: [22:50:20] <Kingy> you would run 991m in 7min
1266: [22:50:28] <Kingy> they would run 2.3km
1267: [22:50:32] <Pyromanik> No Kingy, that time was me WALKING.
1268: [22:50:40] <Kingy> oh ok
1269: [22:50:41] <Kingy> but still
1270: [22:50:52] <Pyromanik> running would be at least 8 mins!
1271: [22:50:53] <Pyromanik> :P
1272: [22:50:59] <Kingy> haha
1273: [22:51:02] <Ryan-Toast> I mwalk pretty fast.
1274: [22:51:09] <Ryan-Toast> Always awkwardly passing people.
1275: [22:51:26] * PenguinMan98 walks back in time
1276: [22:51:56] <Pyromanik> can't stand these fat fucks that walk in the middle of the foot path with their bag on one arm extended out at right angles to direction of travel, and other arm out with phone in hand to take out as much fucking space as possible
1277: [22:51:59] <Pyromanik> walking slow as fuck
1278: [22:52:06] <Ryan-Toast> I hate when I’m walking at night, and there’s a lone woman that I have to pass. I always freak out for her.
1279: [22:52:28] <Pyromanik> like, motherfucker get out of the way. Use your phone, or walk. Don't fuck around, I got places to be. AIN'T NOBODY GOT TIME FOR THAT
1280: [22:52:32] <Kingy> id be scared of you too Ryan-Toast
1281: [22:52:37] <Ryan-Toast> Kingy: lol
1282: [22:52:44] <Pyromanik> truth Ryan-Toast
1283: [22:52:45] <PenguinMan98> Aint nobody got time fo dat
1284: [22:52:45] <Kingy> BF in one hand
1285: [22:52:48] <Ryan-Toast> Kingy: Winter too, so big hoodie :P
1286: [22:52:51] <Pyromanik> truth PenguinMan98
1287: [22:53:23] <Pyromanik> PenguinMan98 walks back in time
1288: [22:53:30] <PenguinMan98> yeah
1289: [22:53:34] <Pyromanik> I'ts true, I do a fairly average moonwalk too, so that can be seen as a thing.
1290: [22:53:42] <PenguinMan98> I get to install and build out a wolf cms
1291: [22:53:54] <Pyromanik> wolf?
1292: [22:53:58] <PenguinMan98> They stopped updating at version .82 like... 2 years ago
1293: [22:54:10] <PenguinMan98> It's php4
1294: [22:54:13] <Pyromanik> look PenguinMan98, if it doesn't come on a moon shirt, I'm not interested.
1295: [22:54:19] <PenguinMan98> I think
1296: [22:54:39] <PenguinMan98> It's ghetto but we have a lot of clients using it
1297: [22:54:48] <PenguinMan98> so I get to learn it and love it
1298: [22:54:49] <Pyromanik> sucks to be those clients :<
1299: [22:55:07] <Pyromanik> you mean learn it and slyly upgrade it without anyone realising.
1300: [22:55:26] <Pyromanik> ^ basically what my daily job entails.
1301: [22:55:36] <PenguinMan98> Well.. I don't have that kind of time. Also, it's pretty cool for what it can do
1302: [22:56:11] <Kingy> urgh like walking into a new job and being told to learn BASIC
1303: [22:56:15] <Pyromanik> builded in codeigniturd?
1304: [22:56:31] <PenguinMan98> I love code igniter
1305: [22:56:40] <Pyromanik> worst 'framework' known to man.
1306: [22:56:50] <PenguinMan98> it wasn't much of a framework at all
1307: [22:56:53] <Pyromanik> nope.
1308: [22:56:57] <PenguinMan98> that's why I loved it
1309: [22:57:04] <Kingy> antmas Colin[pi]_iPad: what was the shitty lecture we went to at WDCNZ?
1310: [22:57:06] <PenguinMan98> Just get out of my way and let me do it
1311: [22:57:29] <zippy> what was that fancy ass param you pass which shows what template used where
1312: [22:57:45] <Pyromanik> was an extremely shit collection of crap libraries that enforced kak system designs and encouraged stinky practices.
1313: [22:58:16] <Pyromanik> and then some fuckwit thought it was good and decided to carry on the monstrocity after it was dropped by it's own father comapny.
1314: [22:58:24] <Pyromanik> I mean fucking hell, talk about not leanring anything.
1315: [22:58:31] <PenguinMan98> An early predecessor of library-driven development in that you didnt' actually need to use much if any of their libraries
1316: [22:59:07] <Pyromanik> so basically what you just said PenguinMan98 is that you love the 'framework' because you didn't use it. You just had it installed next to your app.
1317: [22:59:12] <Pyromanik> idgi.
1318: [22:59:28] <PenguinMan98> It was a quick way to set up a reliable mvc
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1320: [22:59:32] <Pyromanik> No it wasn't!
1321: [22:59:44] <PenguinMan98> ... that was like.. the whole point
1322: [22:59:48] <Pyromanik> it was a quick way to bullshit yourself into believing you had an mvc!
1323: [23:00:00] <Pyromanik> or like... decent code.
1324: [23:00:09] <Pyromanik> or code. Instead of crap.
1325: [23:00:15] <PenguinMan98> Most of the devs of that project moved on to build laravel
1326: [23:00:28] <Pyromanik> probably explains why that's so crap then, right zippy
1327: [23:00:45] <Pyromanik> PenguinMan98, most of them moved on because they learnt the error of their ways.
1328: [23:00:49] <PenguinMan98> I advocate for Silex and Slim
1329: [23:00:51] <Pyromanik> ... presumably.
1330: [23:01:05] <Colin[pi]> o/
1331: [23:01:10] <Pyromanik> \o
1332: [23:01:11] <PenguinMan98> KISS and let me do what needs doing
1333: [23:01:23] <Pyromanik> crud igniter doesn't even let you do that.
1334: [23:01:46] <Colin[pi]> lol crud igniter
1335: [23:01:53] <PenguinMan98> Well, I didn't have much trouble with it's final incarnation
1336: [23:02:08] <Pyromanik> I have to maintain it's final incarnation.
1337: [23:02:10] <PenguinMan98> Its early versions were awful
1338: [23:02:19] <Pyromanik> and so was it's final version.
1339: [23:02:21] <PenguinMan98> more* awful anyway
1340: [23:02:26] <Pyromanik> I can believe that.
1341: [23:02:38] <Pyromanik> but I can half forgive it in that apparently it was made for php4.
1342: [23:02:43] <Pyromanik> apparently.
1343: [23:02:53] <PenguinMan98> Still is written in php4 last I bothered with it
1344: [23:02:54] <Pyromanik> I've not checked that.
1345: [23:03:06] <Pyromanik> nah.
1346: [23:03:10] <Pyromanik> don't think so.
1347: [23:03:21] <PenguinMan98> Wolf cms still uses the original php mysql functions. Not even mysqli or pdo
1348: [23:03:28] <PenguinMan98> It's oooooooold
1349: [23:03:31] <Pyromanik> In any case, it's the worst thing I've ever had the misfortune of being subjected to.
1350: [23:03:45] <Pyromanik> so did codeigniter by default.
1351: [23:04:19] <PenguinMan98> BS. the latest version had transactions and whatnot built into the ORM system
1352: [23:04:25] <Pyromanik> No it didn't.
1353: [23:04:30] <PenguinMan98> the old mysql couldn't pull that off
1354: [23:04:42] <PenguinMan98> I should know that it did
1355: [23:04:45] * Colin[pi] grabs popcorn
1356: [23:04:48] <PenguinMan98> I used it
1357: [23:04:54] <PenguinMan98> frequently
1358: [23:05:07] <Pyromanik> yeah, mysql apparently did, or you changed the adaptor to mysqli
1359: [23:05:21] <Pyromanik> or 'driver'
1360: [23:05:26] <PenguinMan98> I used teh default install baby
1361: [23:05:42] <Pyromanik> motherfucking... hey here's a cool idea, we'll extend a fuck'n EVAL()'d class!
1362: [23:05:44] <Pyromanik> YEY!
1363: [23:05:50] <Pyromanik> that's good code design.
1364: [23:05:57] <Colin[pi]> Pyromanik: seriously?
1365: [23:06:00] <Pyromanik> yes.
1366: [23:06:02] <PenguinMan98> but changing the adaptor to mysqli sounds like a change I would readily make
1367: [23:06:03] <Colin[pi]> wow
1368: [23:06:12] <Pyromanik> PenguinMan98, it's a sensible one.
1369: [23:06:32] <Pyromanik> mysql can't do stored proceedures well either (does them, but often fucks up)
1370: [23:06:34] <PenguinMan98> For the security alone
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1372: [23:07:06] <Pyromanik> global all the things!
1373: [23:07:13] <Pyromanik> subclass? NAH, FUCK THAT.
1374: [23:07:30] <PenguinMan98> namespaces only add verbosity and complexity
1375: [23:07:37] <Pyromanik> lol
1376: [23:07:40] <Colin[pi]> Pyromanik: global everything makes for so convenient, amirite?
1377: [23:07:41] <PenguinMan98> ^^
1378: [23:07:46] <Pyromanik> I'm not even talking about namespaces.
1379: [23:07:52] <Colin[pi]> WCGW
1380: [23:08:07] <PenguinMan98> wcgw?
1381: [23:08:15] <Colin[pi]> "what could go wrong?"
1382: [23:08:17] <Pyromanik> what could go w...
1383: [23:08:18] <Pyromanik> that
1384: [23:08:32] <PenguinMan98> wwkwd
1385: [23:08:39] <PenguinMan98> what would kanye west do
1386: [23:08:43] <PenguinMan98> hehehehe
1387: [23:08:46] <Pyromanik> use codeigniter.
1388: [23:08:47] <PenguinMan98> NAP
1389: [23:08:58] <Pyromanik> IMMA STOP YOU THERE, BUT CI WAS THE BEST FRAMEWORK OF ALL TIME
1390: [23:09:08] <Kingy> CI wasn't bad
1391: [23:09:11] <Pyromanik> was.
1392: [23:09:14] <Ryan-Toast> I liked CakePHP :D
1393: [23:09:22] <Pyromanik> people just didn't fk'n know any better.
1394: [23:09:23] <PenguinMan98> I never got to use Cake
1395: [23:09:25] <Pyromanik> because moron web devs.
1396: [23:09:36] <Pyromanik> and sheep mentality.
1397: [23:09:45] <Pyromanik> being told you're doing it wrong if you don't do what everyone else does.
1398: [23:09:49] <Ryan-Toast> Pyromanik: have to go through the bad to appreciate the good.
1399: [23:09:51] <Pyromanik> popularity makes it good, right?
1400: [23:10:02] <PenguinMan98> The three most popular PHP frameworks of yesteryear were CodeIgniter, Yii, and Zend Framework
1401: [23:10:03] <Colin[pi]> Pyromanik: like derppress?
1402: [23:10:09] <Pyromanik> Ryan-Toast, nah, I went through the good, then got the bad thrust upon me :<
1403: [23:10:21] <PenguinMan98> In order of complexity
1404: [23:10:24] <Colin[pi]> Zend Framework... top kek
1405: [23:10:27] <Pyromanik> Pyromanik, only one of them is worth considering.
1406: [23:10:30] <Pyromanik> and that is zend.
1407: [23:10:39] <Pyromanik> and that alone should speak volumes.
1408: [23:10:41] <Ryan-Toast> Doesn’t SS still have Zend biz in it?
1409: [23:10:45] <PenguinMan98> Yes
1410: [23:10:45] <Pyromanik> probably.
1411: [23:10:49] <Colin[pi]> Zend Framework is a masterclass in overengineering
1412: [23:10:50] <Pyromanik> dates at least.
1413: [23:10:57] <Pyromanik> so is SS, lol
1414: [23:11:07] <Pyromanik> it's like the lesser understudy.
1415: [23:11:11] <PenguinMan98> heh
1416: [23:11:15] <Colin[pi]> it's not that bad Pyrol ol
1417: [23:11:25] <Colin[pi]> I mean, it needs to be a balance, right?
1418: [23:11:30] <PenguinMan98> I think Magento is the f**ng valedictorian of that school
1419: [23:11:34] <Pyromanik> templates are a shit because regex is the wrong approach.
1420: [23:11:35] <Pyromanik> tick.
1421: [23:11:59] <Pyromanik> the solution is to write a scanner/parser for PEGs in PHP and then define everything in PEG.
1422: [23:12:06] <PenguinMan98> peg?
1423: [23:12:08] <Pyromanik> and bundle it into the framework.
1424: [23:12:09] <Pyromanik> yes.
1425: [23:12:13] <PenguinMan98> whatis
1426: [23:12:17] <Pyromanik> google.
1427: [23:12:28] <Pyromanik> parsing expression grammar
1428: [23:12:30] <Pyromanik> grammer
1429: [23:12:37] <Pyromanik> one of them, I never remember
1430: [23:12:50] <PenguinMan98> Peg (unit), a measure used in preparing alcohol, from 1 to 2 fluid ounces
1431: [23:12:56] <Pyromanik> neg
1432: [23:13:17] <PenguinMan98> percutaneous endoscopic gastrostomy
1433: [23:13:29] <Pyromanik> In computer science, a parsing expression grammar, or PEG, is a type of analytic formal grammar, i.e. it describes a formal language in terms of a set of rules for recognizing strings in the language. The formalism was introduced by Bryan Ford in 2004 and is closely related to the family of top-down parsing languages introduced in the early 1970s. More at "Wikipedia"
1434: [23:14:22] <PenguinMan98> just making the point that googling a three letter word is not going to give any kind of reasonably specific result
1435: [23:14:35] <Pyromanik> use brain tho :<
1436: [23:14:39] <Pyromanik> PEG computer science
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1439: [23:15:36] <Pyromanik> first result: PEG or Peg may refer to: Parsing expression grammar, a type of formal grammar used in mathematics and computer science
1440: [23:18:43] <Pyromanik> anyways, this has been fun. GG PenguinMan98, as always :> until next time.
1441: [23:18:45] <PenguinMan98> even SMARTY templating eventually gave in to the people crying to allow them PHP within the templates
1442: [23:18:51] <PenguinMan98> GG
1443: [23:18:53] <PenguinMan98> later!
1444: [23:19:01] <Pyromanik> yeah but smarty shouldn't have existed in the first place :<
1445: [23:19:06] <PenguinMan98> true dat
1446: [23:19:22] <Pyromanik> it WAS php, with different braces (the <? ?> kind)
1447: [23:19:36] <PenguinMan98> It used []
1448: [23:19:47] <Pyromanik> yeh. idk. I avoided it like plague.
1449: [23:19:50] <PenguinMan98> [if]
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1451: [23:19:54] <Ryan-Toast> php in templates.
1452: [23:19:55] <PenguinMan98> [/if]
1453: [23:19:56] <Ryan-Toast> jesus
1454: [23:20:06] <Ryan-Toast> MVC IS A PATTERN FOR A REASON YOU STUPID FUCKS
1455: [23:20:18] <PenguinMan98> ^ Zealot
1456: [23:20:44] <PenguinMan98> Sometimes the best quickest way to do it is to send the template an array and write a php loop in the template
1457: [23:20:49] <Ryan-Toast> Hmm I seem to be using an MVC framework. WHY CAN’T I PUT COMPLEX LOGIC IN MY VIEWS?
1458: [23:21:18] <PenguinMan98> After all, that kind of thing is .. ya know.. exactly what PHP was built for
1459: [23:21:22] <Ryan-Toast> PenguinMan98: When is that ever a good idea?
1460: [23:21:55] <PenguinMan98> Ryan-Toast: When is it not?
1461: [23:22:04] <antmas> bah meetings :\
1462: [23:22:06] <antmas> SO MANY
1463: [23:22:15] <Colin[pi]> antmas: on a Friday? madness
1464: [23:22:26] <PenguinMan98> Still Thur here
1465: [23:22:33] <PenguinMan98> Thor's day
1466: [23:22:35] <Ryan-Toast> PenguinMan98: Controllers should work out your complexity, and send the data to your views.
1467: [23:22:51] <Kingy> looking at the weather
1468: [23:22:58] <Kingy> it's currently 6deg here
1469: [23:23:04] <Kingy> back home it's 2am and still 37 :(
1470: [23:23:11] <Colin[pi]> Kingy: snowing in QLD, dafuq
1471: [23:23:14] <PenguinMan98> What if I want to display a long list of data and I dont' want to send a lot of html with it
1472: [23:23:20] <Kingy> Colin[pi]: so goddamn cold
1473: [23:23:47] <Hailwood> Hey Folks, Anyone know of a good list of all html form element boolean attributes (checked, selected, disabled etc)
1474: [23:24:12] <vebb> STOP HIGHLIGHTING KINGY
1475: [23:24:13] <Ryan-Toast> PenguinMan98: you should be rendering them with a template...
1476: [23:24:15] <vebb> IT HIGHLIGHTS ME
1477: [23:24:20] <Kingy> hi vebb
1478: [23:24:36] <PenguinMan98> It just seems sometimes like mvc zealots would have me loop through the results in the controller and build the html there before sending it to the template.
1479: [23:24:50] <PenguinMan98> Hell to the no
1480: [23:24:52] <vebb> Kingy: hey
1481: [23:24:59] <PenguinMan98> Just send the freaking array to the template
1482: [23:25:05] <Ryan-Toast> PenguinMan98: that’s whjat the render engine is for....
1483: [23:25:07] <Colin[pi]> PenguinMan98: but... that's not the MVC way to do it
1484: [23:25:16] <Colin[pi]> the controller should not be rendering html
1485: [23:25:23] <Colin[pi]> that's... the view
1486: [23:25:40] <PenguinMan98> people are so fixated on sticking to their design patterns that they take it too far and just make things more difficult for themselves
1487: [23:25:55] <PenguinMan98> like over-normalizing a database
1488: [23:26:12] <PenguinMan98> It actually gets slower
1489: [23:26:27] <Colin[pi]> PenguinMan98: just stick everything in one table, right?
1490: [23:27:13] <PenguinMan98> Have the controller bundle up all the variables the template needs and send them to the template. Have the template loop through the data and build the html.
1491: [23:27:16] <PenguinMan98> KISS
1492: [23:27:35] <Colin[pi]> PenguinMan98: that IS the MVC way
1493: [23:27:38] <Colin[pi]> afaik
1494: [23:27:55] <Colin[pi]> if you have MVC zealots saying "build the html in the controller" they are dumbasses
1495: [23:28:04] <PenguinMan98> SS takes it past that point towards MVVM
1496: [23:28:19] <PenguinMan98> Where the template calls rendering methods in teh controller to get data
1497: [23:28:58] <antmas> Colin[pi]: mm, deadlines and new projects
1498: [23:29:10] <PenguinMan98> in true mvc, the template doesn't need to know anything about the model
1499: [23:29:17] <zippy> [11:22:34] <Ryan-Toast> PenguinMan98: Controllers should work out your complexity, and send the data to your views.
1500: [23:29:28] <zippy> not really
1501: [23:29:49] <PenguinMan98> anyway, I gotta zip
1502: [23:29:51] <PenguinMan98> hehe
1503: [23:29:51] <antmas> complexity is probably not the right word
1504: [23:30:08] <zippy> controller should delegate the request off
1505: [23:30:11] <zippy> ideally :)
1506: [23:30:12] <PenguinMan98> I see nothing wrong with putting a php for() loop or foreach() loop in a template
1507: [23:30:25] <PenguinMan98> but .ss templates do not allow this
1508: [23:30:29] <PenguinMan98> and it really irks me
1509: [23:30:33] <Colin[pi]> PenguinMan98: <% loop %> ?
1510: [23:30:36] <zippy> <^% loop
1511: [23:30:37] <antmas> ^^
1512: [23:30:47] <zippy> ^ gives it super powers
1513: [23:30:53] <antmas> lol
1514: [23:31:08] <PenguinMan98> yeah but to do that I have to take the simple array and rewrite it in a series of wrapper classes
1515: [23:31:22] <PenguinMan98> which for simple display purposes is really overkill
1516: [23:31:25] <zippy> yea that is a pita
1517: [23:31:31] <antmas> that I agree with
1518: [23:32:10] <PenguinMan98> I'm glad I'm not just hot wind then
1519: [23:32:13] <PenguinMan98> heh
1520: [23:32:32] <Colin[pi]> PenguinMan98: more like a summer breeze
1521: [23:32:42] <Colin[pi]> :D
1522: [23:32:43] <PenguinMan98> php for() loops can skip around e.g. $i += 2
1523: [23:32:48] <PenguinMan98> SS can't
1524: [23:33:03] <PenguinMan98> So you've added complexity and lost functionality
1525: [23:33:13] <PenguinMan98> In my book that's a step backward
1526: [23:33:17] <zippy> the <%loop %> does do some things
1527: [23:33:29] <zippy> like $odd and $pos and a couple of others
1528: [23:33:41] * PenguinMan98 nods
1529: [23:33:46] <PenguinMan98> Well, I gotta run
1530: [23:33:48] <PenguinMan98> gnite guys
1531: [23:33:50] <Colin[pi]> cyas
1532: [23:33:52] <PenguinMan98> Stay sharp
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1534: [23:34:32] <antmas> Colin[pi]: Summer breeze...
1535: [23:34:37] <antmas> makes me feel fiiiine
1536: [23:34:45] <antmas> today's earworm
1537: [23:35:30] * vebb is now known as radveb
1538: [23:36:29] <antmas> Kingy: awwww yisss, skygo account linked
1539: [23:36:47] <Kingy> nice
1540: [23:36:52] <Kingy> took them a while lol
1541: [23:37:26] <antmas> :D
1542: [23:37:39] <antmas> now to convince account holder to put sports back on ;)
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1544: [23:39:34] <Colin[pi]> antmas: how was your CS:GOing last night?
1545: [23:40:43] * spronk has joined #silverstripe
1546: [23:40:43] <antmas> Colin[pi]: not that bad, just played Arms Race to freshen up
1547: [23:41:00] <antmas> managed to win and enrage some n00bs so might play some competitive tonight :D
1548: [23:41:10] <Colin[pi]> lol
1549: [23:41:12] <Colin[pi]> nice
1550: [23:41:25] <Colin[pi]> I might join you if I have a moment
1551: [23:41:35] <Colin[pi]> I am going out for dinner with the missus though at some stage
1552: [23:41:50] <antmas> yeah I'd be keen, what about Kingy ?
1553: [23:42:06] <spronk> good news everyone!
1554: [23:42:21] <antmas> ah shit can't help but read that in THAT voice
1555: [23:42:25] <Colin[pi]> haha yep
1556: [23:42:26] <antmas> thanks spronk
1557: [23:42:36] <zippy> spronk: flag submissions have closed?
1558: [23:42:45] <Colin[pi]> http://www.memegasms.com/media/created/hb2t6m.jpg
1559: [23:42:56] <spronk> exactly, Colin[pi]
1560: [23:42:57] <spronk> :D
1561: [23:43:37] <Colin[pi]> good ol Billy West
1562: [23:43:58] <Colin[pi]> I watched a few ren and stimpys recently and couldn't help but hear Farnsworth in Stimpy's voice
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1565: [23:44:49] <spronk> :D
1566: [23:45:02] <spronk> its a good voice
1567: [23:45:14] <spronk> its kinda like when you see seth macfarlane
1568: [23:45:24] <spronk> and suddenly all family guy characters become one person
1569: [23:45:47] <Colin[pi]> haha I read something once that Brian's voice is basically Seth's real voice
1570: [23:45:50] <spronk> mmlol
1571: [23:46:12] <Colin[pi]> spronk: have you seen 6 days to air?
1572: [23:46:20] <Colin[pi]> the south park documentary?
1573: [23:46:20] <spronk> no?
1574: [23:46:25] <spronk> nah
1575: [23:46:27] <Colin[pi]> watched it the other day, hilarious
1576: [23:46:35] <Colin[pi]> and also... that schedule
1577: [23:46:49] <Colin[pi]> they deliver each episode about 5 hours before airtime
1578: [23:46:56] <spronk> heh
1579: [23:47:43] <Colin[pi]> spronk: there is this part that shows their censorship staff member who has to get approval for each ep
1580: [23:47:49] <Colin[pi]> and she is on the phone to the network
1581: [23:47:59] <Colin[pi]> going "there is a guy, he is stapled to the kids mouth"
1582: [23:48:06] <Colin[pi]> "and he is shitting into the kids mouth"
1583: [23:48:19] <Kingy> antmas Colin[pi]: yep dead keen
1584: [23:48:21] <Colin[pi]> this must be like a daily thing for her lol
1585: [23:48:24] <Kingy> although all blacks are playing
1586: [23:48:36] <spronk> loool
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1588: [23:48:48] <Kingy> ss23 keen?
1589: [23:48:50] <spronk> what's going on tonight?
1590: [23:48:55] <Colin[pi]> Kingy: 2nd monitor?
1591: [23:48:57] <antmas> spronk: CS;GO
1592: [23:49:06] <Kingy> Colin[pi]: only got a laptop these days
1593: [23:49:16] <spronk> urrw
1594: [23:49:21] <Kingy> maybe zippy could join us and show us how it's done on my old PC :P
1595: [23:49:24] <antmas> I'd invite zippy but last time we tried that his mic ended up being a potato
1596: [23:49:31] <antmas> lol!
1597: [23:49:40] * spronk 's mic is a potato
1598: [23:49:43] <antmas> MattSS_: might be keen too
1599: [23:49:45] <spronk> i bought it from the warehouse in the 1990s
1600: [23:49:45] <Kingy> what time we thinking?
1601: [23:50:06] <antmas> dunno yet, I might be on a little after 7pm NZT
1602: [23:50:23] <Kingy> so that's like 5pm aussie time
1603: [23:50:27] <Colin[pi]> that's 5pm here yep
1604: [23:50:27] <antmas> yeah
1605: [23:50:30] <Colin[pi]> I could do that
1606: [23:50:34] <Kingy> yeah same
1607: [23:50:37] <Colin[pi]> little before dinner shooting
1608: [23:50:40] <Kingy> +1
1609: [23:50:48] <Kingy> otherwise im probably available throughout the weekend
1610: [23:50:50] <spronk> http://magic.samods.org/articles/sndrecord/LowQualMic1.jpg?q=staff/magic/articles/sndrecord/LowQualMic1.jpg
1611: [23:50:51] <spronk> fuck yeah
1612: [23:50:55] <Colin[pi]> heads up, I will be rusty as fuck though
1613: [23:50:59] <Colin[pi]> haven't played in months
1614: [23:51:02] <Kingy> heads up im mg1 now
1615: [23:51:03] <Kingy> :)(
1616: [23:51:05] <Kingy> :)
1617: [23:51:07] <antmas> spronk: omg lol I have one of those somewhere
1618: [23:51:13] <Colin[pi]> Kingy will carry us
1619: [23:51:16] <zippy> antmas: ok so A) it was the chickens and B) I have a new pc now
1620: [23:51:17] <antmas> :P
1621: [23:51:26] <antmas> zippy: hahaha!
1622: [23:51:31] <antmas> also, keen zippy ?
1623: [23:51:50] <antmas> we could just play scrub matches for a bit to freshen up
1624: [23:51:54] <antmas> arms race is good for that
1625: [23:52:20] <zippy> when sthis
1626: [23:52:28] <Kingy> tonight zippy
1627: [23:52:31] <Colin[pi]> antmas: have a new mouse since the last time too, might take a bit of fuckin around with sensitivity
1628: [23:52:32] <zippy> mmmm
1629: [23:52:34] <zippy> I might be
1630: [23:52:38] * spronk could almost be keen. but it would be dependent on when the small person goes to bed :p
1631: [23:52:53] <Kingy> i can play later as well if need be
1632: [23:52:55] <antmas> spronk: same here
1633: [23:53:28] <spronk> i need a mic that i can like
1634: [23:53:30] <antmas> Kingy: I can't remember my rank but it's whatever '^' is
1635: [23:53:31] <spronk> stick on to my headphones
1636: [23:53:34] <antmas> apparently
1637: [23:53:41] <Kingy> silver 1 :P
1638: [23:53:45] <Ryan-Toast> OFF TO THE MOUNTAIN, LATERRRSSSSS
1639: [23:53:52] <Kingy> oh are you guys rank3 yet?
1640: [23:53:58] <antmas> dunno
1641: [23:53:58] <Kingy> coz you can't play comp unless you're rank 3
1642: [23:54:05] <antmas> Kingy: don't you have smurf accounts?
1643: [23:54:06] * spronk has no rank
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1646: [23:54:17] <Kingy> yeah but i haven't gone through and ranked them up yet
1647: [23:54:20] * spronk has played csgo exactly 1 time
1648: [23:54:38] <Kingy> yeah you guys will have to play dm/casual for a time to get to rank 3
1649: [23:54:42] <antmas> we could just only play unranked stuff
1650: [23:54:48] <Kingy> suits me
1651: [23:54:50] <spronk> how to get rank3!?
1652: [23:54:56] <Kingy> spronk: just play
1653: [23:55:00] <spronk> hmm
1654: [23:55:01] <antmas> spronk: blood sweat and tears
1655: [23:55:03] <spronk> do i have a rank
1656: [23:55:08] <Kingy> can play everything but competitive until you're rank 3
1657: [23:55:18] <antmas> takes like 10 matches to get it
1658: [23:55:25] <antmas> or something
1659: [23:55:30] <zippy> spronk: is 0 rank and played 3 times
1660: [23:55:33] <spronk> ohhh fuck off steam guard
1661: [23:55:36] <Kingy> yeah someone timed it and it's about 6 hours
1662: [23:56:00] <Kingy> it's a good thing in a way, but screwed up the people who have already played a lot
1663: [23:56:09] <spronk> how do you find our your rank..
1664: [23:56:15] <antmas> vodunvalkyrie -----< my steam account, add me
1665: [23:56:16] <Kingy> just open cs:go
1666: [23:56:18] <Kingy> should be right there
1667: [23:56:20] <spronk> oh
1668: [23:57:12] * antmas would really like to get into matches that weren't 90% dust2
1669: [23:57:19] <Colin[pi]> antmas: cam has a good memory, he asked me the other day "have you seen vodunvalkyrie in elite dangerous again yet?"
1670: [23:57:26] <antmas> Colin[pi]: :O
1671: [23:57:36] <spronk> bah steam
1672: [23:57:37] <Colin[pi]> (that was without looking at the PC)
1673: [23:57:39] <spronk> ughh
1674: [23:57:39] <spronk> dust2
1675: [23:57:40] <antmas> Colin[pi]: real joystick should be here soon :)
1676: [23:57:59] * spronk played faaaaar too much dust2 in the old days
1677: [23:58:08] <spronk> bring me fucking.. cs_italy
1678: [23:58:18] <Colin[pi]> I love cs_italy
1679: [23:58:24] * zippy quit (Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com)
1680: [23:58:26] <Colin[pi]> spronk: these days it's always office in casual
1681: [23:58:26] <spronk> i loved it more when it had the music
1682: [23:58:28] <Colin[pi]> erry fuckin time
1683: [23:58:30] <Kingy> antmas: if you 5 queue with people you can usually get into any map
1684: [23:58:31] <spronk> mm
1685: [23:58:51] <Colin[pi]> spronk: at least they brought back the chickens
1686: [23:58:58] <antmas> think I prefer Inferno
1687: [23:59:03] <Colin[pi]> antmas: good map
1688: [23:59:16] <antmas> best one to watch twitch matches
1689: [23:59:18] <antmas> so many angles
1690: [23:59:39] <spronk> haha :D
1691: [23:59:49] <spronk> aztec was always good
1692: [23:59:58] <antmas> mm aztec
1693: [23:59:59] <Colin[pi]> yeah but they fucked it up now

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