#silverstripe IRC Log

IRC log for 12 July 2015

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19: [05:21:46] <Zauberfisch> is it just me, or has composer gotten considerably faster?
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43: [11:44:27] <darjus01> http://snag.gy/5okmT.jpg maybe some one knows why remove dublicates not working?
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53: [14:45:47] <origincube> does anyone know how to recover a page that was deleted from draft and then published?
54: [14:49:58] <SphereSilver> Versions
55: [14:50:03] <SphereSilver> It should be in there somewhere.
56: [14:50:34] <origincube> the version system does some weird stuff for me
57: [14:50:47] <SphereSilver> Try direct DB access
58: [14:51:09] <origincube> hmm, any handy guide on that?
59: [14:51:24] <SphereSilver> "unlogical" publishing is an issue I've dealt with indeed. Removing, then publishing, seems to remove it from the admin, but still publish it
60: [14:51:36] <SphereSilver> Errrr.... not really :|
61: [14:51:42] <origincube> yeah my client deleted from draft
62: [14:51:48] <SphereSilver> Try DBAdmin or PHPMyAdmin thingies
63: [14:51:50] <origincube> so now i'm trying to fix this mess :(
64: [14:52:18] <SphereSilver> Yeah.... familiar issue. Copy the row from SiteTree_versions to SiteTree
65: [14:52:40] <SphereSilver> That should usually fix it
66: [14:52:45] <origincube> have another client who deleted their blog somehow
67: [14:52:54] <origincube> and i can't even find the "deleted" versions in the cms admin
68: [14:53:06] <SphereSilver> Stop giving your clients admin rights ;)
69: [14:53:20] <SphereSilver> Make sure they can't delete, only unpublish ;)
70: [14:53:30] <origincube> hmm, i can do that? :D
71: [14:53:43] <SphereSilver> Yeh, ofcourse you can. See security
72: [14:54:03] <SphereSilver> You can create a group that only has publish/unpublish rights, but not deletion rights etc.
73: [14:54:10] <origincube> sweet
74: [14:54:20] <SphereSilver> That's what the SilverStripe Security is build on for users ;)
75: [14:54:42] <SphereSilver> You'll have to experiment a bit with roles and permissions, but other than that, yep, you can totally do that.
76: [14:55:09] <origincube> any advice on which browser behaves best with admin
77: [14:55:21] <origincube> i thought firefox was, but it does some weird stuff with the latest builds
78: [14:55:24] <origincube> (stable builds)
79: [14:57:13] <SphereSilver> I hate to say this.... :|
80: [14:57:22] <SphereSilver> It's Chromium that behaves best.
81: [14:57:29] <origincube> lol ok
82: [14:57:32] <SphereSilver> Firefox has some Javascript issues.
83: [14:57:43] * SphereSilver dislikes Chromium and aliks a lot
84: [14:58:10] <SphereSilver> IE10 or higher works fine too. But I haven't tried it :P
85: [14:59:14] <origincube> Edge seems happy with it too i must admit
86: [14:59:25] <origincube> i think the issues i'm seeing are not browser specific
87: [14:59:30] <origincube> have to keep flushing the admin ui
88: [15:00:09] <SphereSilver> They are partially. Big computer like mine on Firefox trashes Firefox, but slow computers on any browser will crash.
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90: [15:01:44] <origincube> yeah not trying this on a slow machine
91: [15:02:01] <origincube> quad core i7, 16gb ram and ssd, so no reason for crashes
92: [15:26:31] <ss-helper> Silverstripe Extending Controller Actions - http://stackoverflow.com/questions/31369356/silverstripe-extending-controller-actions
93: [15:32:58] <darjus01> is some one online?
94: [15:34:33] <darjus01> maybe some one know how to make brakes html work because in html lokks like mess but in firebug looks fine http://snag.gy/tEzhG.jpg
95: [15:53:14] <marvanni> For the PHPStorm users : https://github.com/axyr/silverstripe-ideannotator
96: [15:54:24] <SphereSilver> It refuses on IntelliJ it seems? :|
97: [15:55:54] <marvanni> the annotator?
98: [15:56:26] <SphereSilver> Yep, it refuses on my IntelliJ version (14.1.4)
99: [15:56:36] <SphereSilver> It should work, but doesn't, kinda odd.
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104: [16:00:56] <marvanni> sorry, system hanged...
105: [16:02:49] <marvanni> what goes wrong?
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109: [16:29:22] <origincube> arg, this one specific page refuses to revert to a previous version. anyone know how i can do it manually in the db?
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117: [18:46:55] <CodeDave> Hi All!
118: [18:48:23] <CodeDave> Was just searching for an example covering Custom Action Buttons for DataObject instances - getCMSActions doesn't work??
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136: [21:24:01] <Stomach> good morning team
137: [21:27:24] <helenclarko> o/
138: [21:27:48] <SphereSilver> Goodnight :)
139: [21:28:01] <CodeDave_> Hi there!
140: [21:28:58] <CodeDave_> I am looking for some examples covering custom Actions in DataObjects - its very hard to finde something in tuts and in the web?
141: [21:29:42] <SphereSilver> What do you mean exactly? Custom Actions on DO's? DO's aren't controllers, so... there's not much custom actions to it.
142: [21:33:05] <CodeDave_> I mean to add "Approve" or "Decline" Buttons in the Edit Form and implement doApprove and doDecline in the DO
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144: [21:35:14] <SphereSilver> Ah, like that. Hmmm, you might want to check ssbits.com, I think it has a tutorial about something similar
145: [21:36:21] <CodeDave_> Unfortunatelly there in no possibility in GridFieldDetailForm to add custom buttons and actions at the moment
146: [21:36:44] <SphereSilver> Errr, yes there is, look at BetterButtons for example.
147: [21:36:58] <SphereSilver> You can create custom control actions in the admin-extension etc. no problem
148: [21:37:38] <Stomach> yeah you add an extension to GridFieldDetailForm_ItemRequest :)
149: [21:37:54] <Stomach> or just create your own ItemRequest and GridFieldDetail form
150: [21:38:12] <Stomach> like https://github.com/Little-Giant/silverstripe-catalogmanager/blob/master/code/Forms/CatalogDataObjectGridFieldDetailForm.php
151: [21:39:23] <CodeDave_> ok will, try to test around ether with better buttons or with the Extension
152: [21:40:17] <CodeDave_> ssbits.com is quite old, and I am trying to avoid such old stuff, since t can cost a lot of time to trying getting old things run
153: [21:40:56] <SphereSilver> It's tutorials, and yes, mainly 2.4 stuff, but still very useful resource. Don't take any code you find on the internet for granted anyway.
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155: [21:41:06] <Stomach> CodeDave_ - better buttons uses an extension, its a good example of that :)
156: [21:41:47] <CodeDave_> will try it !
157: [21:42:46] <CodeDave_> now some easier questions: I woudl like to use TIMESTAMP instead of date, is there a confg var to do that?
158: [21:42:56] <CodeDave_> instead of DATETIME
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160: [21:43:36] <SphereSilver> Why do you want to use timestamp?
161: [21:43:45] <SphereSilver> In the background, in SQL, Datetime is a timestamp anyway
162: [21:43:53] <CodeDave_> covering timezones
163: [21:44:18] <SphereSilver> That does not entirely compute
164: [21:44:37] <SphereSilver> What exactly do you want to accomplish?
165: [21:45:12] <SphereSilver> To have e.g. "Created" times at a specific timezone? That would be odd, you'd better save the Datetime, and add the offset to it, that makes more sense
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167: [21:46:20] <antmas> morning all o/
168: [21:46:32] <adrexia> morning \o/
169: [21:46:33] <SphereSilver> I get the feeling you're trying to invent the wheel, which has already been invented. In the back, SilverStripe uses Zend_Datetime which handles timezones and all very gracefully
170: [21:46:38] <SphereSilver> Hey antmas
171: [21:46:40] <CodeDave_> but with timestamp it is easy to convert timezones
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173: [21:47:18] <SphereSilver> But, again, SS_Datetime already handles this for you. Conversion and everything.
174: [21:47:36] <SphereSilver> You're trying to accomplish something that has already been accomplished and served to you by the framework.
175: [21:47:44] <adrexia> CodeDave_ I believe it is a timestamp - the DateTime is just a wrapper around that with a bunch of extra functionality, right?
176: [21:48:31] <SphereSilver> adrexia: You are correct, in the SQL part, it's a timestamp, converted to a human readable in e.g. PHPMyAdmyn
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178: [21:48:46] <SphereSilver> DateTime, and SS_Datetime, are wrappers to make it readable on a website.
179: [21:48:59] <adrexia> http://api.silverstripe.org/3.1/class-DatetimeField.html
180: [21:49:01] <SphereSilver> And these wrappers already contain every feature you want for timezone conversion and whatnot.
181: [21:49:22] <adrexia> opps, werogn one
182: [21:49:43] <antmas> WEROGN!
183: [21:49:44] <adrexia> http://api.silverstripe.org/3.1/class-SS_Datetime.html
184: [21:49:46] <adrexia> lol
185: [21:50:01] <adrexia> I switched versions and it lost the thing I was on.
186: [21:50:16] <helenclarko> Sometimes what you see is not what you get. Just added a border to a div in SS. Shows up fine in the CMS, but doesn't display on the page
187: [21:50:16] <adrexia> API docs needs to be... better
188: [21:50:25] <CodeDave_> ok, if you say so, cause I am using mysql and I see that the DO Tables are using DATETIME cols by default - and I was using always TIMESTAMP by default
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190: [21:50:34] <SphereSilver> And in SQL, a Datetime field is just an Epoch timestamp, which is presented as a date-and-time depending on what the server's timezone is.
191: [21:51:04] <CodeDave_> it is very elpful if you move db to another timezone
192: [21:51:07] <SphereSilver> CodeDave_: See what I just said ;) DateTime == epoch represented in a human readable timezone format
193: [21:51:40] <SphereSilver> helenclarko: What You See Is WTF
194: [21:52:03] <SphereSilver> WYSIWYG editors are made in hell. The CSS on your site could simply overwrite your custom styling, and vice versa, I hate them.
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196: [21:52:09] <adrexia> sometiems tinymce strips things it doesn't like out
197: [21:52:15] <SphereSilver> Hey irogue!
198: [21:52:18] <adrexia> lol
199: [21:52:19] * SphereSilver waves fratically
200: [21:52:24] <SphereSilver> adrexia: That too :)
201: [21:52:25] <helenclarko> still find it funny when customers try to put in dates like 01-01-1000 and get errors like "wrong time format"
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203: [21:52:38] <CodeDave_> DATETIME and TIMESTAMP are from the format perspective in mysql the same, the difference is that the TIMESTAMP saves also the timezone the entry was creaded in (db connection dependent)
204: [21:52:43] <SphereSilver> Huh? That should be a valid date
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206: [21:52:53] <irogue> hi SphereSilver!
207: [21:53:24] <helenclarko> Its before 1970, so its not valid.
208: [21:53:40] <helenclarko> Its before unix epoch
209: [21:53:53] <SphereSilver> Ow, hey, yeah, my brain made it 2000.... I guess I'm tired :)
210: [21:54:46] <helenclarko> trying to explain that to clients makes my brain explode.
211: [21:55:02] <antmas> what, that they can't put 1000 as a year?
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213: [21:55:14] <antmas> Ryan-Toast: o/
214: [21:55:20] <Ryan-Toast> antmas: /0
215: [21:55:24] <adrexia> CodeDave_ This? http://api.silverstripe.org/master/class-Time.html
216: [21:55:40] <SphereSilver> Well, if explaining epoch is the biggest problem... your problems aren't that big helenclarko :P
217: [21:55:42] <CodeDave_> And how do you set NOW() as default for DO for DATE /TIME/DATETIME fields? In the DB directly or is there a trick to put it in the defaults var?
218: [21:55:45] <SphereSilver> Or I have morons as clients :P
219: [21:56:19] <helenclarko> haha, thats a good point.
220: [21:57:05] <antmas> trying to convince your clients that the name of the website you make for them isn't literally called 'the silverstripe' is something I have struggled with
221: [21:57:34] <SphereSilver> I haven't heard that one before!
222: [21:57:43] <antmas> 'I'm trying to login to the silverstripe'
223: [21:57:50] <antmas> -_-
224: [21:57:51] <SphereSilver> I do have clients complaining about bugs "in silverstripe", which are just my CSS fuckups :P
225: [21:57:55] <SphereSilver> O_o
226: [21:58:00] <antmas> lol yeah
227: [21:58:23] <SphereSilver> "The silverstripe" even :D
228: [21:58:36] <SphereSilver> There's no other than that one!
229: [21:58:46] <CodeDave_> MySQL converts TIMESTAMP values from the current time zone to UTC for storage, and back from UTC to the current time zone for retrieval. (This does not occur for other types such as DATETIME.) By default, the current time zone for each connection is the server's time. The time zone can be set on a per-connection basis. As long as the time zone setting remains constant, you get back the same value you store. If you store a TI
230: [21:58:58] <antmas> I also get people asking why they cant login to sharepoint, when its silverstripe
231: [21:58:59] <CodeDave_> http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.1/en/datetime.html
232: [21:59:32] <SphereSilver> I do have one client that keeps trying to get the password to the "Wordpress admin"
233: [21:59:38] <SphereSilver> on her SilverStripe website....
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235: [22:00:02] <antmas> LOL
236: [22:00:33] <SphereSilver> I've added a redirect from /wp-admin.php to /admin, which seems to have solved the issue for now
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238: [22:01:17] <Ryan-Toast> SphereSilver: Looks like you just helped bots find your login form :P
239: [22:01:22] <SphereSilver> Ow, and lets not forget, clients that know better than me. "On the Wordpress site, my cousin of 11 years old made, I can do X and Y"
240: [22:01:34] <helenclarko> I've had users changing their homepage from /home and wondering why it is not the first page to show up anymore.
241: [22:01:41] <SphereSilver> Ryan-Toast: I know, but at least she hasn't complained since then :P
242: [22:01:44] <CodeDave_> thx for the answers, have to go ! Cyaa!
243: [22:02:12] <SphereSilver> Laters!
244: [22:02:12] <Ryan-Toast> SphereSilver: haha, I don’t envy you.
245: [22:02:36] <SphereSilver> It's not hosted on one of my servers. Her shared hosting is free to take care of any bots they encounter :P
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247: [22:02:50] * DanaeNZ bursts in the room
248: [22:02:56] <SphereSilver> Hey!
249: [22:02:57] <DanaeNZ> WAHT WHAT WHAT’S GOING ON
250: [22:03:02] <SphereSilver> Now I need a new door!
251: [22:03:03] <helenclarko> SphereSilver, sounds like you've had it bad haha.
252: [22:03:19] * SphereSilver angrily starts searching for a company that wil replace his door at midnight
253: [22:03:22] <DanaeNZ> SphereSilver: lawl
254: [22:03:29] <SphereSilver> helenclarko: I've seen the worst in clients :P
255: [22:04:21] <SphereSilver> Clients that don't understand that buying website is pretty much the same as buying a house or a car... those are the worst.
256: [22:04:26] <antmas> DanaeNZ: :O
257: [22:04:29] <antmas> DanaeNZ: o/
258: [22:04:40] <DanaeNZ> antmas: \o
259: [22:04:53] <DanaeNZ> I was up all weekend sewing
260: [22:04:55] <SphereSilver> No, when building a house, you can't move that window 2 meters to the left halfway the building process!
261: [22:04:56] <DanaeNZ> my fingers hurt
262: [22:05:01] <DanaeNZ> it’s affecting my codign abilty
263: [22:05:09] <SphereSilver> And your typing ability
264: [22:05:12] <SphereSilver> in general
265: [22:05:14] <DanaeNZ> exactrumundo
266: [22:05:19] <DanaeNZ> lol
267: [22:05:21] <helenclarko> put the roof up before the walls.
268: [22:05:40] <antmas> DanaeNZ: are you making a batman outfit?
269: [22:05:41] <SphereSilver> That kind of shit, yeah :|
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271: [22:05:56] <SphereSilver> Ohhh! Batman outfit! I want one! Can you make me one too?!
272: [22:05:59] <DanaeNZ> antmas: no cos there will be no batman outfit better than the one that guy made
273: [22:06:07] <DanaeNZ> SphereSilver: ask that guy
274: [22:06:08] <SphereSilver> Awwww :'(
275: [22:06:13] <SphereSilver> Who's that guy?
276: [22:06:17] <antmas> DanaeNZ: what about a Banana Guard?
277: [22:06:19] <DanaeNZ> antmas: who’s that guy
278: [22:06:25] <antmas> who's waht guy?
279: [22:06:28] <DanaeNZ> dafuk is a banana guy
280: [22:06:32] <SphereSilver> Wait what now?
281: [22:06:34] <DanaeNZ> Huh?
282: [22:06:50] <antmas> DanaeNZ: http://i.imgur.com/92jEOkz.png
283: [22:06:56] <DanaeNZ> :D
284: [22:07:21] <DanaeNZ> Don’t show me costume ideas cos I actually get excited and think about how to make them!
285: [22:07:47] <DanaeNZ> SphereSilver: this guy http://nerdist.com/the-batman-cosplay-we-deserve-is-the-best-weve-ever-seen/
286: [22:07:52] <adrexia> :D
287: [22:07:54] <antmas> adrexia: you're leaving Catalyst?
288: [22:08:01] <DanaeNZ> adrexia: :O
289: [22:08:17] <adrexia> I have the same problem, but i really dislike sewing so if it can't be made with a hot glue gun...
290: [22:08:22] <Ryan-Toast> antmas: needs more early banana guard.
291: [22:08:23] <adrexia> antmas yep
292: [22:08:29] <adrexia> going to DNA
293: [22:08:32] <DanaeNZ> adrexia: nothing wrong with hot glue
294: [22:08:37] <antmas> Ryan-Toast: there was a beta banana gaurd?
295: [22:08:40] <adrexia> I _lovE_ hot glue
296: [22:08:45] <antmas> o.O
297: [22:08:46] <SphereSilver> DanaeNZ: Ow yeah! I saw that one on Reddit, it's AWESOME idndeed
298: [22:08:56] <SphereSilver> hmmmm, there's a war going on in my livingroom I think.
299: [22:09:07] <adrexia> and... I think I prefer making props than costuming. Though I am partial to cutting things up to make new costume things too :)
300: [22:09:12] <antmas> adrexia: nice!
301: [22:09:18] <DanaeNZ> adrexia: my friend made the bones from hot glue https://www.facebook.com/sparkycosplays/photos/pb.338418012973305.-2207520000.1436738940./449635811851524/?type=3&theater
302: [22:09:28] <antmas> no PVA love?
303: [22:09:33] <SphereSilver> adrexia: I hate that stuff, it keeps sticking to everything. I'd rather just weld some pieces of metal together.
304: [22:09:36] <Ryan-Toast> antmas: http://i.imgur.com/zE44HDm.jpg
305: [22:09:38] <adrexia> and... I think I prefer making props than costuming. Though I am partial to cutting things up to make new costume things too :)pva falls apart pretty quick ;)
306: [22:09:39] <DanaeNZ> antmas: only for sealing foam
307: [22:09:44] <adrexia> duct tape is better ;)
308: [22:09:47] <antmas> Ryan-Toast: woah
309: [22:09:48] * veb has joined #silverstripe
310: [22:09:48] <DanaeNZ> hahaa
311: [22:09:59] <DanaeNZ> Ryan-Toast: bananas too ripe man
312: [22:10:15] <Ryan-Toast> antmas: It’s in the episode where Finn is the lady with the cat in one of his previous lives.
313: [22:10:24] <adrexia> wow that's a awesome skeleton!
314: [22:10:35] <antmas> Ryan-Toast: oh someone and Fiona?
315: [22:10:41] <antmas> Fiona and Cake
316: [22:10:44] <antmas> or whatever
317: [22:10:45] <DanaeNZ> adrexia: ya she went through over 9000 hgot glue sticks
318: [22:10:49] <Ryan-Toast> antmas: no, that’s cake and fiona
319: [22:10:53] <DanaeNZ> fiona and cake was Ice King’s fan fiction
320: [22:10:58] <Ryan-Toast> Which is the Ice king’s fan fiction.
321: [22:11:01] <antmas> OH
322: [22:11:01] <antmas> lol
323: [22:11:10] <DanaeNZ> >>
324: [22:11:10] <antmas> such a F&J causal
325: [22:11:20] <antmas> casual*
326: [22:11:27] * Ryan-Toast shakes head
327: [22:11:37] * DanaeNZ hides adventure time mug
328: [22:11:42] <antmas> LOL
329: [22:11:53] <antmas> you put that back on the desk and LIKE IT
330: [22:12:00] <DanaeNZ> I was only hired because I wore a Jake beanie to my interview
331: [22:12:05] <SphereSilver> Ohhhh, talking about ducttape, check out my primary toolbox! https://onedrive.live.com/redir?resid=6DA6BC79CDE4777!38996&authkey=!AI7Fjb4bfUOkDJ8&v=3&ithint=photo%2cJPG
332: [22:12:08] <DanaeNZ> antmas: D:
333: [22:12:28] <SphereSilver> Sorry it took so long, had to take the picture first :|
334: [22:12:30] <DanaeNZ> SphereSilver: Yas
335: [22:12:32] <antmas> DanaeNZ: are you that person I used to follow on twitter than was obsessed with bunnies?
336: [22:12:41] <antmas> that*
337: [22:12:44] <DanaeNZ> antmas: I’m not [particularly fond of bunnies
338: [22:12:46] <adrexia> I think I know that person
339: [22:12:47] <DanaeNZ> nor twitter
340: [22:12:56] <DanaeNZ> adrexia: Sparky? Her name is Courtney
341: [22:12:58] <antmas> oh ok
342: [22:13:01] <antmas> not sure
343: [22:13:06] <adrexia> nah, bunnie person
344: [22:13:06] <adrexia> ;0
345: [22:13:09] <DanaeNZ> lmao
346: [22:13:18] <antmas> she reminded me of that crazy girlfriend meme
347: [22:13:22] <adrexia> I think it's Tanya
348: [22:13:30] <antmas> Tanya that's it
349: [22:13:51] <adrexia> yeah, she does a lot for Gather
350: [22:13:56] <adrexia> tech education sort of stuff
351: [22:14:00] <antmas> mm
352: [22:14:12] <antmas> I *think* i'd seen her on panel somewhere
353: [22:14:23] <adrexia> http://gathergather.co.nz/workshops/about/team/
354: [22:14:36] <adrexia> she was on teh panel for WDCNZ last year
355: [22:14:44] <antmas> ah yip, Parrot Bunny girl
356: [22:14:51] <adrexia> was one of the anti-university people
357: [22:14:52] <DanaeNZ> ooh that site is nice on my eyes
358: [22:14:57] <SphereSilver> adrexia and antmas.... confusing as hell
359: [22:15:04] <antmas> adrexia: that's right I remember
360: [22:15:08] <DanaeNZ> SphereSilver: I KNOW RIGHT their names are the same lewngth
361: [22:15:17] <SphereSilver> And almost the same too!
362: [22:15:26] <adrexia> not even a little
363: [22:15:29] <adrexia> I have an x
364: [22:15:30] <antmas> :D
365: [22:15:34] <adrexia> and a d
366: [22:15:36] <SphereSilver> Yes, yes they are almost the same.
367: [22:15:37] <adrexia> and no s
368: [22:15:38] * simon_w|air has joined #silverstripe
369: [22:15:43] <adrexia> and no n
370: [22:15:48] <antmas> or t
371: [22:15:49] <adrexia> really... just the s
372: [22:15:54] <adrexia> just the a
373: [22:15:58] <DanaeNZ> ahahha
374: [22:16:02] * Kingy[a] is now known as Kingy
375: [22:16:02] * simon_w|air has left #silverstripe
376: [22:16:06] <SphereSilver> Ok, time to behave, a mod entered the room
377: [22:16:10] <SphereSilver> ow, and left. Nevermind
378: [22:16:18] <antmas> simon doesn't count :P
379: [22:16:18] <DanaeNZ> pfft who respects the mods anyway
380: [22:16:40] <SphereSilver> antmas: Well, thank you very much :'(
381: [22:16:47] <antmas> lol :P
382: [22:17:04] <Kingy> morning
383: [22:17:13] <adrexia> I respect them. About as much as I respect the rest of you, anyway. :)
384: [22:17:16] <antmas> SphereSilver: would read much nicer if it were SilverSphere
385: [22:17:25] <DanaeNZ> :D
386: [22:17:31] <adrexia> Or SilverSurfer
387: [22:17:35] <antmas> +1
388: [22:17:37] <SphereSilver> antmas: I know, but it was taken at the time I registered. Same goes for my twitteraccount ;)
389: [22:17:40] <helenclarko> Kingy, Morning!
390: [22:17:46] <antmas> Kingy: o/
391: [22:17:55] <Kingy> \o/
392: [22:17:59] <Kingy> nice to have decent internet
393: [22:18:03] <DanaeNZ> /o\
394: [22:18:12] <SphereSilver> Define "decent" Kingy
395: [22:18:14] <Kingy> im watching the cloud9 navi cs:go final :)
396: [22:18:16] <DanaeNZ> oh shit i’m movign out soon how do i internet
397: [22:18:27] <Kingy> SphereSilver: something faster than 1.5mbps
398: [22:18:34] <DanaeNZ> i think I’ll have a panic attack ifg I don’t have internet
399: [22:18:46] <antmas> DanaeNZ: lol
400: [22:18:51] <DanaeNZ> although i can use the hotspot on my phone
401: [22:19:05] <Kingy> SphereSilver: remember those days where streaming a 1min youtube video @ 240p took 10 minutes
402: [22:19:13] <Kingy> that is my life
403: [22:19:22] <antmas> lol
404: [22:19:55] <irogue> DanaeNZ: I currently don't have proper internets at home
405: [22:20:06] <irogue> just hotspot from my phone
406: [22:20:08] <DanaeNZ> irogue: oh yeah you just moved
407: [22:20:10] <helenclarko> shit, I panic if my speedtest doesnt pass 5mbps.
408: [22:20:27] <DanaeNZ> oh man I won’t have to share internet with 5 other people!
409: [22:20:30] <DanaeNZ> YASS
410: [22:20:33] <SphereSilver> Kingy: Challenge accepted: http://www.speedtest.net/result/4500216871.png
411: [22:20:42] <DanaeNZ> whaaa
412: [22:20:45] <irogue> helenclarko: speed-wise its fine, phone speedtest is around 80 Mbps
413: [22:20:45] <SphereSilver> Sorry, had to take a speedtest, my history is gone :X
414: [22:21:02] <DanaeNZ> SphereSilver: that speed defies logic
415: [22:21:12] <SphereSilver> No, it's just gigabit internet.
416: [22:21:24] * DanaeNZ slowly lies down on the ground
417: [22:21:27] * DanaeNZ cries
418: [22:21:45] <helenclarko> irogue, I know haha. Just so much happier when its closer to 10mbps.
419: [22:22:03] <SphereSilver> helenclarko: I panic when it doesn't go passed 750Mbps :|
420: [22:22:24] <Kingy> SphereSilver: http://33.media.tumblr.com/29c1807fa00bb0882645a5bb44ce84d6/tumblr_mke1231Xsv1s46pi4o1_500.gif
421: [22:22:40] <DanaeNZ> Kingy: lmaaao
422: [22:22:49] <DanaeNZ> http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/4500219893
423: [22:22:53] <helenclarko> Sad when I see people around 80mbps and I'm sitting on 10mbps. Sounds like some of you are worse than that.
424: [22:23:02] <DanaeNZ> wait this one http://www.speedtest.net/result/4500219893.png
425: [22:23:20] <SphereSilver> That's.... scary :X
426: [22:23:28] <DanaeNZ> that’s VDSL
427: [22:23:39] <helenclarko> :'(
428: [22:23:43] <DanaeNZ> I still have ADSL at home
429: [22:23:46] <DanaeNZ> so it’s like
430: [22:23:52] <DanaeNZ> not even a Mb on good days
431: [22:23:59] <helenclarko> Rural NZ
432: [22:24:08] <DanaeNZ> helenclarko: or like, Waterview
433: [22:24:09] <SphereSilver> Hmmmm, is the internet that slow in NZ?
434: [22:24:27] <DanaeNZ> SphereSilver: it’s a harsh truth
435: [22:24:44] <SphereSilver> Ow, wait, all of NZ probably has 1 or 2 lines to the US or Australia for internet I guess? :(
436: [22:25:02] <DanaeNZ> SphereSilver: yeah, one to Aus then a backup to US iirc?
437: [22:25:08] <DanaeNZ> fuck if I know how the internet works
438: [22:25:16] <DanaeNZ> what am I , an internet plumber?
439: [22:25:18] <DanaeNZ> ...
440: [22:25:20] <DanaeNZ> oh wait
441: [22:25:20] <SphereSilver> Yeah, makes sense
442: [22:25:34] <SphereSilver> Time to unclog the internetpipes
443: [22:25:45] <Kingy> ok ok
444: [22:25:53] <Kingy> this was me before I left NZ: http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/3662720553
445: [22:25:54] <DanaeNZ> TradeMe was gonna build another line out
446: [22:26:01] <Kingy> this is me in Bahrain: http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/4094236135
447: [22:26:10] <DanaeNZ> Kingy: fuck
448: [22:26:38] <SphereSilver> Here, most of the fiber connections are almost directly connected to AMSix
449: [22:26:47] <DanaeNZ> :(
450: [22:26:49] <SphereSilver> so speed is fenomenal here.
451: [22:26:54] <DanaeNZ> fibre connection
452: [22:26:57] <DanaeNZ> that would be nice
453: [22:27:05] <DanaeNZ> I wonder if my new place has fibre
454: [22:27:15] <SphereSilver> 99% of the Netherlands has fibre
455: [22:27:15] <Kingy> yeah i had fibre for about 3 months before we left
456: [22:27:19] <Kingy> should never have done it
457: [22:27:42] <Kingy> here's a good example of downloading bahrain
458: [22:27:42] <Kingy> https://scontent-lax1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/21178_10205537264264516_5403650827382198919_n.jpg?oh=451260f0e8b2f5b5f8442c4a3346cb1c&oe=565B1357
459: [22:28:03] <DanaeNZ> Kingy: I nearly choked when GTA was 60GB
460: [22:28:04] <SphereSilver> remind me to never go to bahrain
461: [22:28:07] <irogue> SphereSilver: there's a cable to mainland US via Hawaii, one to US via Australia, and one that's just to Australia
462: [22:28:20] <DanaeNZ> It took us all night plus half the next day to download it
463: [22:28:25] <Kingy> SphereSilver: good internet exists you just need an identity card to get it
464: [22:28:34] <DanaeNZ> It was faster to drive to a mate’s place and grab his backup from a flash drive
465: [22:28:39] <Kingy> but you don't get one of them for like 6 months for some reason
466: [22:28:49] <SphereSilver> It would be faster to ask me to send you a USB-stick with the download then Kingy
467: [22:29:01] <Kingy> haha nah coz it goes through customs which is just as slow
468: [22:29:10] <SphereSilver> I guess it's one of those middle-east thingies
469: [22:29:19] <SphereSilver> Hah, reminds me of that "What-If" from XKCD
470: [22:29:33] <SphereSilver> https://what-if.xkcd.com/31/
471: [22:29:42] <helenclarko> My little rural town has a school in it which has Fibre. currently nobody else in the town has Fibre. the fucking cable runs past my driveway, but they wont connect it for me haha.
472: [22:30:04] <SphereSilver> Tapping fibre is a tad trickyer than VDSL :P
473: [22:30:20] <DanaeNZ> My friends in bum fuck nowhere have fibre
474: [22:30:23] <helenclarko> oh yeah! needs to go to a connection point.
475: [22:30:24] <DanaeNZ> aka, Ashburton
476: [22:30:38] <antmas> lol bum fuck nowhere
477: [22:30:42] * antmas adds to vocab
478: [22:30:53] <DanaeNZ> antmas: haha, haven’t heard that one before?
479: [22:31:13] <antmas> I *think* so, but not since I left bum fuck nowhere to just regular nowhere lol
480: [22:31:25] <DanaeNZ> hahaha
481: [22:32:18] <DanaeNZ> SphereSilver: where are you from?
482: [22:32:54] <SphereSilver> I'm Dutch
483: [22:33:00] <DanaeNZ> Awesome
484: [22:33:01] <SphereSilver> I think....
485: [22:33:05] * SphereSilver checks passport
486: [22:33:16] <SphereSilver> Yes, confirmed. I'm Dutch
487: [22:33:33] <DanaeNZ> Dutch sounds so strange, cos it’s so close to english
488: [22:33:38] <helenclarko> well see ya soon. I'm on my way to steal your internets.
489: [22:33:39] <DanaeNZ> it’s a fun language to listen to
490: [22:33:50] <SphereSilver> Dutch isn't like English at all! :D
491: [22:33:58] <DanaeNZ> SphereSilver: it sooooo iiiiis
492: [22:34:00] <SphereSilver> It's more like German.
493: [22:34:01] <DanaeNZ> The sounds
494: [22:34:11] <irogue> problem with 2FA tokens: constantly opening the wrong token app for what you're trying to log into
495: [22:34:13] <SphereSilver> No, it isn't, it's gramatically completely different :P
496: [22:34:42] <DanaeNZ> It’s closer to English than German is, I feel
497: [22:34:46] <DanaeNZ> not necessarily grammar
498: [22:34:49] <DanaeNZ> just the sounds
499: [22:35:06] <SphereSilver> I'm having a hard time accepting that :P
500: [22:35:12] <DanaeNZ> heheh fair enough
501: [22:35:19] <SphereSilver> But okay, if it sounds the same to you, I guess, for you it's true :)
502: [22:35:25] <antmas> did FB deprecate feed embeds?
503: [22:35:31] <DanaeNZ> It’s pretty close to Swedish tho
504: [22:35:41] <SphereSilver> Errrr, no
505: [22:35:42] <DanaeNZ> Swedish and all those scandinavian languages
506: [22:35:47] <antmas> whenever I think of Dutch sounds I go all peasant German :P
507: [22:35:47] <Kingy> dutch is a stupid crazy language
508: [22:35:51] <Kingy> gfs family is ductch
509: [22:35:53] <Kingy> dutch
510: [22:36:09] <DanaeNZ> peasant german, haha
511: [22:36:12] <Kingy> was fine with german while we were going around german
512: [22:36:18] <SphereSilver> DanaeNZ: Swedish? No, Dutch and Swedish is really completely different. Frysian is quite close to Swedish, but Dutch is a way other language
513: [22:36:25] <Kingy> walk into the netherlands and bammm 'wtf'
514: [22:36:28] <antmas> 'YoohooOoo! Big Summer Blowout!'
515: [22:36:44] <SphereSilver> Dutch people are blunt assholes if you don't understand the culture
516: [22:36:47] <DanaeNZ> SphereSilver: euch I must be confusing all my languages
517: [22:37:13] <DanaeNZ> I keep picking up random ones so they all blend together into this confusing mess
518: [22:37:19] <Kingy> SphereSilver: gfs family sounds like they're having a massive argument.. nah just a 'good talk'
519: [22:37:20] <Kingy> :|
520: [22:37:33] <SphereSilver> Yep, true.
521: [22:37:38] <antmas> when you're from Holland
522: [22:37:39] <ss-helper> Prevent publish all in silverstripe - http://stackoverflow.com/questions/31373240/prevent-publish-all-in-silverstripe
523: [22:37:43] <antmas> what 'are' you?
524: [22:37:54] <DanaeNZ> You are a Dutch
525: [22:37:55] <antmas> Hollandian sounds pretty cool :D
526: [22:37:57] <irogue> Afrikaans humors me to listen to, cos its like they just can't decide whether to speak Dutch, German or English
527: [22:37:58] <antmas> right
528: [22:37:58] <Kingy> you anit much if you anit dutch
529: [22:37:59] <antmas> Dutch
530: [22:38:03] * mahfuz has joined #silverstripe
531: [22:38:04] <SphereSilver> We tell people to "Fuck off and get cancer" :P
532: [22:38:13] <antmas> SphereSilver: lol we do that oo
533: [22:38:15] <antmas> too*
534: [22:38:16] <SphereSilver> And we just mean to say "I don't want to talk to you anymore"
535: [22:38:28] <DanaeNZ> I prefer “Go die in a fire”
536: [22:38:32] <irogue> antmas: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eE_IUPInEuc
537: [22:38:41] <SphereSilver> I personally like "Please die and have a cookie"
538: [22:38:42] <DanaeNZ> which roughly translates to “You suck, I’m jealous"
539: [22:38:53] <antmas> irogue: lol
540: [22:39:05] <irogue> <3 CGP Grey
541: [22:39:07] <irogue> I learn many things
542: [22:39:28] <SphereSilver> irogue: true :D A friend of mine, his wife is from South Africa, cracks me up all the time :D
543: [22:39:41] <SphereSilver> "Petrolboy", "Lifting-box" etc. :D
544: [22:40:08] * spronk has joined #silverstripe
545: [22:40:34] <SphereSilver> irogue: Yeah, great movie :D
546: [22:40:49] <antmas> I did once get a laugh from our local bratvuurst shop by walking in and yelling 'ich haben eine bar hunger!'
547: [22:40:56] <antmas> in that classic peasant German
548: [22:41:14] <Kingy> antmas: cloud9 might actually win a tournament
549: [22:41:15] <DanaeNZ> what does the “eine bar” mean?
550: [22:41:24] <Ryan-Toast> Kingy: lol.
551: [22:41:33] <Ryan-Toast> Kingy: Wait CS, or Dota23?
552: [22:41:36] <Kingy> cs
553: [22:41:40] <Ryan-Toast> nvm :P
554: [22:41:59] <antmas> DanaeNZ: probably not quite spelling einen right but it means 'I have the hunger of a bear'
555: [22:42:06] <adrexia> hmm... unsolicited login emails from twitter
556: [22:42:19] <DanaeNZ> antmas: oh yea, bar is bear
557: [22:42:34] <DanaeNZ> silly germans
558: [22:42:51] <antmas> now I feel like bratwurst
559: [22:43:02] <irogue> agreed
560: [22:43:02] <adrexia> I wonder if it's that other person who started using my nick in places, or if its someone trying to brute force my account
561: [22:43:31] <irogue> maybe I'll find a sausage place for lunch today
562: [22:43:43] <antmas> irogue: no snag place in Richmond :(
563: [22:43:51] <antmas> the Nelson one is AWESOME
564: [22:43:54] <DanaeNZ> irogue: hunting the sausage
565: [22:44:04] <irogue> DanaeNZ: always ;)
566: [22:44:53] <SphereSilver> Has anyone seen my brain? It seems to be missing
567: [22:45:12] <DanaeNZ> ooh I watched the croods in the weeken
568: [22:45:18] <DanaeNZ> fucken love that movie
569: [22:45:27] <DanaeNZ> slightly related to brains missing
570: [22:45:39] * antmas watched Toy Story 3 again
571: [22:45:44] * antmas had way too many feels
572: [22:45:49] <DanaeNZ> antmas: are you satan?
573: [22:46:00] <DanaeNZ> I shamelessly cried in the cinema
574: [22:46:01] <antmas> lol
575: [22:46:02] <SphereSilver> Yes, I can confirm antmas is satan
576: [22:46:04] <SphereSilver> https://lhartikk.github.io/ArnoldC/
577: [22:46:57] <antmas> Colin[pi]_iPad: wat
578: [22:47:02] <antmas> iPad?
579: [22:47:06] <antmas> WHO IS THIS
580: [22:47:12] <SphereSilver> I'm getting itches
581: [22:47:35] <marvanni> argw… my button has not only been forked, it got a new author… https://github.com/hutlim/silverstripe-phpexcel/blob/master/composer.json
582: [22:48:25] <SphereSilver> \o Martijn
583: [22:48:33] <DanaeNZ> marvanni: lololol
584: [22:48:37] <SphereSilver> Moet jij niet in bed liggen?
585: [22:48:43] <marvanni> lig ik ook
586: [22:49:01] <DanaeNZ> omg that looks like adorable words
587: [22:49:06] * antmas tries to read crazy Dutch
588: [22:49:22] <antmas> something somethign night in bed linen?
589: [22:49:34] <SphereSilver> Ow, nou, dan laat ik je met rust. Heb je trouwens de EU-conferentie gezien? (@marvanni)
590: [22:49:39] <antmas> niet might be 'not'
591: [22:49:52] <DanaeNZ> liggen sounds familiar
592: [22:50:00] <marvanni> no prob, im trying to get phpci running.
593: [22:50:11] <SphereSilver> "Moet jij niet in bed liggen" == "Shouldn't you be in bed (sleeping)"
594: [22:50:21] <antmas> :O
595: [22:50:22] <antmas> close :P
596: [22:50:34] <DanaeNZ> oh yeah it’s totally germany
597: [22:50:38] <DanaeNZ> confusing swedish and german again
598: [22:50:41] <SphereSilver> It is DUTCH!
599: [22:50:44] <marvanni> I saw the conference info, but nog sure if im joining with this shitload of work I have here
600: [22:50:45] <SphereSilver> DUTCH I TELL YOU!
601: [22:50:45] <DanaeNZ> lmao
602: [22:50:52] <antmas> Duetch!
603: [22:51:02] <marvanni> One day you all will be Dutch
604: [22:51:06] <SphereSilver> marvanni: ok, let me know
605: [22:51:21] <DanaeNZ> antmas: Deutch*
606: [22:51:24] <DanaeNZ> wait
607: [22:51:27] <antmas> mising an s
608: [22:51:27] <DanaeNZ> now I don’t know
609: [22:51:28] <antmas> :P
610: [22:51:32] <DanaeNZ> Deutsch
611: [22:51:34] <DanaeNZ> there
612: [22:51:37] <antmas> that's it :P
613: [22:51:37] <SphereSilver> I agree with marvanni : https://what-if.xkcd.com/53/
614: [22:51:47] <antmas> DanaeNZ: we're so worldly
615: [22:51:49] <marvanni> anyone using this ? https://www.phptesting.org/
616: [22:51:52] <SphereSilver> No, not Deutch. I will so murder you all! :P
617: [22:51:53] * DanaeNZ nods smugly
618: [22:52:13] <SphereSilver> marvanni: Installed it, but haven't have the time yet to actually get it to work :(
619: [22:52:19] <SphereSilver> But from the looks of it, I like it
620: [22:52:21] <DanaeNZ> SphereSilver: that’s another example of friendly Dutch banter? :D
621: [22:52:31] <SphereSilver> Pretty much, yes
622: [22:52:47] <antmas> Friendly Dutch Banter
623: [22:52:51] <antmas> great band name
624: [22:52:54] <marvanni> too bad… A testing framework should just work right?
625: [22:52:56] <DanaeNZ> haha
626: [22:53:04] <DanaeNZ> it sounds close to friendly NZ banter
627: [22:53:13] <DanaeNZ> althought Aussie banter is closer
628: [22:53:53] <SphereSilver> Any testing framework should work :) . If you want to try PHPCI, keep me updated, I'm curious as to how I might use it.
629: [22:56:26] <marvanni> a shitload of errors is what I get, and not frommy code
630: [22:56:32] <marvanni> from my
631: [22:58:12] <SphereSilver> Wait till you test your code! :P
632: [22:59:17] <SphereSilver> Sorry, couldn't leave that one hanging, now could I :P
633: [23:00:11] <marvanni> I would love to see my tests fail…
634: [23:00:25] <marvanni> miles before deploying…
635: [23:01:11] <marvanni> pretty sick of reloading webpages and filling massive forms just to test emails…
636: [23:02:39] <SphereSilver> There are quite a bunch of addons for firefox for that.
637: [23:04:26] <marvanni> hm, yeah but when you have a lot of fields that are conditional and has uploads, thats to much manual work
638: [23:04:38] <SphereSilver> Behat?
639: [23:04:39] <marvanni> codeception looks also nice
640: [23:05:03] <SphereSilver> Ow yeah, Codeception is nice indeed, I should get back to that when I have time
641: [23:10:05] <marvanni> im off, cya
642: [23:10:14] <antmas> o
643: [23:10:16] <antmas> o/*
644: [23:10:22] <SphereSilver> Yeah, good idea. Time for bed.
645: [23:10:32] * marvanni quit (Quit: marvanni)
646: [23:11:08] <DanaeNZ> bye people on other side of world
647: [23:20:03] <ss23> Hi DanaeNZ!
648: [23:23:18] <DanaeNZ> WHAT
649: [23:23:20] <DanaeNZ> HI
650: [23:23:21] <DanaeNZ> MONDAY
651: [23:23:23] <DanaeNZ> COFFEE
652: [23:23:24] <DanaeNZ> UGH
653: [23:23:28] <DanaeNZ> TOO MUCH SEWING
654: [23:23:31] <DanaeNZ> NOT ENOUGH SLEEP
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656: [23:26:56] <irogue> you caught up on sleep now ss23?
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659: [23:33:18] <ss23> pretty much
660: [23:33:24] <ss23> Beyond standard "I'm sleepy"
661: [23:33:27] <adrexia> ..not enough coffee
662: [23:33:43] <ss23> I'm not particularly caffiene sensitive :P
663: [23:33:53] * DanaeNZ tries to hide third coffee
664: [23:34:28] <adrexia> irogue when you were in Auckland did the number of homeless people bother you? It seemed like Auckland had even more than Wellington
665: [23:34:40] <adrexia> thouygh they seemed to have the right idea by bringing their mattress
666: [23:34:50] <ss23> lol
667: [23:35:05] <DanaeNZ> my commute involved walking along k rd to the bus stop
668: [23:35:06] <adrexia> I think Wellignton homeless might not be allowed to have mattresses
669: [23:35:06] <antmas> Coffee is the only caffiene that affects me
670: [23:35:13] <ss23> tbh, the homeless in Sydney were less annoying cause they never talked to people
671: [23:35:21] <ss23> the Wellington ones beg a lot
672: [23:35:25] <adrexia> I don't find homeless annoying
673: [23:35:31] <adrexia> I find it incredibly sad
674: [23:35:32] <ss23> Or rather, the WEllington beggars are more annoying than the Sydney homeless
675: [23:35:49] <adrexia> Auckland should stop caring more about trafffic than people
676: [23:35:54] <DanaeNZ> my flatmate worked at WINZ
677: [23:36:04] <antmas> I find the homless annoying when they're arseholes
678: [23:36:09] <antmas> homeless*
679: [23:36:10] <DanaeNZ> he was telling me about people with no financial sense ever
680: [23:36:11] <adrexia> true - we have a lot of beggers
681: [23:36:16] <antmas> like the Nelson dude
682: [23:36:18] <adrexia> and not all of them are homeless
683: [23:36:23] <antmas> mm
684: [23:36:29] <DanaeNZ> they would go buy a flat white instead of bread and milk
685: [23:36:38] <ss23> I find non-homeless people annoying enough
686: [23:36:39] <adrexia> I guess, I'm also aware of the support groups wellignton has for the homeless
687: [23:36:40] <antmas> or ciggies
688: [23:36:43] <adrexia> night shelters
689: [23:36:45] <DanaeNZ> and he’s like, “What…what are you doing"
690: [23:36:48] <ss23> Like, God, don't you dare talk to me, I did not give you permission
691: [23:36:49] <adrexia> and food banks
692: [23:36:50] <helenclarko> or alcohol and drugs
693: [23:36:54] <ss23> Who do you thinkyou are? Disgusting.
694: [23:37:08] <DanaeNZ> ss23: lol, the general public, amirite
695: [23:37:14] * adrexia shrugs
696: [23:37:14] <ss23> I don't mind other people *exist*, I mind that they have the audacity to talk to me.
697: [23:37:28] <adrexia> lololol
698: [23:37:30] <helenclarko> "Dont shake your can full of coins at me!"
699: [23:37:46] <antmas> lol
700: [23:37:53] <adrexia> I actually have no issue with poor people spending money on luxories
701: [23:38:10] <antmas> I get full on rage when I read multiple articles of the Nelson 'bum'
702: [23:38:16] <antmas> :|
703: [23:38:24] <DanaeNZ> I have issue when they don’t understand why WINZ can’t just give them more money cos they bought a TV instead of paying their bills
704: [23:38:33] <adrexia> people are people, and everyone deserves autonomy
705: [23:38:45] <adrexia> I don't
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707: [23:38:50] <adrexia> TV is free babysiting
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709: [23:39:01] <adrexia> it actually means a lot to a poor family to have a tv
710: [23:39:14] <adrexia> it's like a developer having access to teh internet
711: [23:39:16] <antmas> yeah but so does paying bills
712: [23:39:20] <adrexia> true
713: [23:39:43] <adrexia> but I think people misinterpret priorities at times
714: [23:39:44] <DanaeNZ> working at WINZ made him a cynical bastard with no hope for humanity
715: [23:39:46] <helenclarko> HAHA! TV doesnt mean much if you have no power.
716: [23:39:59] <adrexia> and its all to easy to forget
717: [23:40:15] <adrexia> that's true
718: [23:40:17] <adrexia> you need power
719: [23:40:26] <adrexia> but with that you get news and current events
720: [23:40:43] <adrexia> you get much needed relaxation/escape and you get soemthing a family can bond over
721: [23:41:09] <adrexia> and you get something to put the kiids in front of when you have to have your own time
722: [23:41:51] <adrexia> basically all the things richer parents use computers for
723: [23:42:19] <irogue> adrexia: yeah there are a lot of homeless in AKL, but it's probably just relative to the size of the city
724: [23:42:52] <adrexia> true
725: [23:42:58] <adrexia> they have nigh shelters?
726: [23:43:05] <adrexia> soup kitchens?
727: [23:43:07] <irogue> yup
728: [23:43:11] <adrexia> sweet
729: [23:43:30] <irogue> both non-religious too, which is nice
730: [23:43:34] <adrexia> Auckland is huge
731: [23:43:42] <adrexia> if I were hoemless I might movve there ;)
732: [23:43:45] <irogue> 7x the population of wellington, roughly
733: [23:43:51] <adrexia> much warmer than wellignton
734: [23:43:55] <irogue> so i guess you'd expect ~7x the number of homeless
735: [23:44:08] <adrexia> that's not quite how it works ;)
736: [23:44:11] <adrexia> but yeah
737: [23:44:22] <adrexia> I'd actually expect no homeless in wellington
738: [23:44:27] <adrexia> they have to be mad to saty here
739: [23:44:28] <adrexia> :D
740: [23:44:31] <irogue> lol yreah
741: [23:44:39] <irogue> http://www.aucklandcitymission.org.nz/ http://www.lifewise.org.nz/
742: [23:44:42] <adrexia> Duendin had one. Toughest guy in teh world ol' speedy
743: [23:45:06] <ss23> There were some people giving out soup when I walked home the other day
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745: [23:45:22] <adrexia> http://www.soupkitchen.org.nz/
746: [23:45:36] <adrexia> http://wellingtonnightshelter.dnserver.net.nz/
747: [23:45:48] <adrexia> in case any of you ever need it ;)
748: [23:46:05] <antmas> some people argue for credits from winz as opposed to money
749: [23:46:25] <adrexia> those people really obviosuly aren't poor
750: [23:46:57] <antmas> well, I agree in a sense it would allow for control of buying unessesary items like booze/smokes etc
751: [23:47:06] <DanaeNZ> antmas: that would probably stop them buying a flat white instead of bread
752: [23:47:12] <DanaeNZ> it would never pass though
753: [23:47:17] <antmas> yeah but that is too harsh
754: [23:47:23] <antmas> alcohol and smokes is fine
755: [23:47:27] <adrexia> I still beleive in autonomy
756: [23:47:35] <adrexia> and not being an actual 'nanny'
757: [23:47:38] <adrexia> to the poor :P
758: [23:47:41] <antmas> mm
759: [23:47:45] <adrexia> they are adults
760: [23:48:01] <adrexia> and often have just hit some bad luck
761: [23:48:21] <adrexia> or worse, someone else has hit them with it
762: [23:48:28] <antmas> mm yeah that is pretty common
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764: [23:48:46] <antmas> but when you get hit with hard times, how hard is it NOT to want some booze :P
765: [23:48:52] <irogue> adrexia: there was a cool story in auckland the other day
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767: [23:48:55] <adrexia> pretty damn hard
768: [23:49:17] <adrexia> Booze is probably worth more to people goign through hard tiems
769: [23:49:18] <irogue> http://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/70153262/hot-dog-van-offers-hope-for-homeless-man
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771: [23:49:43] <adrexia> oh that's cool!
772: [23:49:44] <adrexia> :)
773: [23:49:44] <antmas> adrexia: yeah worth more in a sense that it's what they want over all else
774: [23:50:08] <adrexia> that's pretty rare too
775: [23:50:25] <adrexia> most people on benefits aren't alcoholics
776: [23:50:43] <adrexia> but they should be able to buy a bottle of wine or some beer occassionally without being judged for it
777: [23:50:47] <antmas> mm but those that are, usually hide it :P
778: [23:51:07] <antmas> adrexia: no they should be able to, as long as everything else is covered
779: [23:51:17] * adrexia nods
780: [23:51:27] <adrexia> so maybe have the beenfit pay rent and power directly?
781: [23:51:37] <antmas> got all your bills paid? have some left over winz money? do what ever you want with it
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783: [23:51:45] <adrexia> or... I don't know... give them state hosues
784: [23:51:48] <antmas> adrexia: yeah +
785: [23:51:48] <irogue> winz have the green card system too
786: [23:51:49] <antmas> +1
787: [23:52:07] <antmas> child care, power, utilities and food credits all paid for directly
788: [23:52:29] <DanaeNZ> antmas: people would still complain about that
789: [23:52:33] <adrexia> not so sure about food
790: [23:52:46] <DanaeNZ> there are people in the world who would neglect their children in favour of other expenses
791: [23:52:52] <antmas> DanaeNZ: of course, people are never happy even when it's free
792: [23:52:58] <adrexia> you should have enough to decide how much you want to spend on what each week
793: [23:52:59] <irogue> if I'd read that story about Rock Dogs while I was still in Auckland, I'd have totally made a point to get food there
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795: [23:53:14] <adrexia> DanaeNZ:
796: [23:53:14] <adrexia> there are people in the world who would neglect their children in favour of other expenses
797: [23:53:24] <adrexia> and people who starve themselves so their kids can eat
798: [23:53:37] <adrexia> or just to pay school fees
799: [23:53:42] <antmas> mm
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801: [23:54:06] <spronk> tbh
802: [23:54:20] <spronk> i don't think a beneficiary should be able to buy alcohol or cigarettes without being judged for it
803: [23:54:27] <spronk> even if everything else has been taken care of
804: [23:54:32] <antmas> so there is always need for somekind of judgement, because if you don't then you can't separate legitmate necessity as opposed to laziness
805: [23:54:36] <spronk> fucking save that money
806: [23:55:03] <ss23> we should give them grey jumpsuits too
807: [23:55:13] <DanaeNZ> ss23: so you can spot them in a crowd?
808: [23:55:13] <ss23> Spending money on clothes that aren't made as cheaply as possible is wasting money
809: [23:55:15] <DanaeNZ> haha
810: [23:55:17] <adrexia> yeha, why not just put them all in prison
811: [23:55:19] <antmas> lol
812: [23:55:20] <ss23> ^
813: [23:55:23] <ss23> that's cheapest, adrexia
814: [23:55:28] <ss23> If you're poor, you don't deserve freedom or fun
815: [23:55:29] <LimRes> Then we would be the USA
816: [23:55:33] <antmas> well, jumpsuits are warm
817: [23:55:34] <ss23> You should just save your money.
818: [23:55:35] <antmas> :D
819: [23:55:49] <adrexia> "
820: [23:55:49] <adrexia> If you're poor, you don't deserve freedom or fun"
821: [23:55:58] <adrexia> yeah, that seems to be the current attitude
822: [23:56:09] <spronk> poor is different from being 'on a benefit'
823: [23:56:19] <antmas> mm
824: [23:56:19] <adrexia> yes, but they are closesly linked
825: [23:56:24] <spronk> hmm
826: [23:56:26] <spronk> perhaps
827: [23:56:41] <adrexia> if you are poor, you are much more likely to end up being on a benefit at soem point
828: [23:56:49] <adrexia> shouldn't you save all your money just incase you are?
829: [23:56:54] <adrexia> no booze for poor people
830: [23:57:10] <antmas> I'm not sure about correlating freedom and fun with alcohol and smokes though
831: [23:57:10] <adrexia> ...ehy, perhaps they shouldn't have tvs eitehr
832: [23:57:10] <adrexia> or cars
833: [23:57:10] <DanaeNZ> there’s “I’m in between jobs” on the dole and “I can’t find a job” dole and “I have no idea how to get a job” dole and “I refuse to take drug tests for a job"
834: [23:57:18] <adrexia> just a spartan lifestyle for the poor
835: [23:57:20] <spronk> yeah, exactly
836: [23:57:22] <spronk> also
837: [23:57:26] <spronk> there's
838: [23:57:26] <irogue> prisoners cost more than beneficiaries though, ss23
839: [23:57:42] <spronk> i have a job that i don't declare and am on the doll
840: [23:57:42] <spronk> or
841: [23:57:42] <adrexia> antmas:
842: [23:57:42] <adrexia> I'm not sure about correlating freedom and fun with alcohol and smokes though
843: [23:57:42] <spronk> i slept with a man so that i got a kid so that i can get the doll
844: [23:57:43] <DanaeNZ> honestly some financial advice and education goes a looong way
845: [23:57:45] <spronk> dole*?
846: [23:57:48] <adrexia> our society and culture revolves around alcohol
847: [23:58:00] <DanaeNZ> dole
848: [23:58:03] <spronk> absolutely
849: [23:58:06] <adrexia> maybe it shouldn't, but we can't jsut tell poor people they aren't invited into the culture
850: [23:58:09] <antmas> adrexia: that doesn't mean you NEED it
851: [23:58:13] * spronk has consumed 0 alcohols in many years and has many funs and freedoms
852: [23:58:41] <adrexia> no - but tellign people they _can't_ do soemthing
853: [23:58:42] <LimRes> Dammit this is so much more interesting than work right now
854: [23:58:48] * irogue was raised by solo mother on DPB, so has fairly strong opinions on topics regarding welfare etc
855: [23:58:51] <adrexia> that other people are allowed to do
856: [23:58:54] <spronk> adrexia i'm not allowed a ferrari, becuase i can't afford it
857: [23:58:55] <spronk> so
858: [23:58:55] <adrexia> that's a lose of freedom
859: [23:59:08] <adrexia> irogue
860: [23:59:09] <adrexia> was raised by solo mother on DPB, so has fairly strong opinions on topics regarding welfare etc
861: [23:59:16] <adrexia> I was raised in the 80's recession
862: [23:59:18] <DanaeNZ> education education education
863: [23:59:24] <adrexia> my father did sesssional work
864: [23:59:29] <adrexia> my mother raised 5 kids
865: [23:59:46] <adrexia> my opinions are pretty strong too
866: [23:59:53] <antmas> not allowing tax payer money to be spent on alcohol doesn't stop anyone from being part of our culture

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