#silverstripe IRC Log

IRC log for 22 May 2015

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1: [00:00:14] <DanaeNZ> antmas: i’m waiting for him to send a snapchat from a&e lol
2: [00:00:25] <adrexia> antmas I would be royally pissed off if that were an excuse used to detain me
3: [00:00:55] <adrexia> wouldn't you?
4: [00:01:11] <antmas> if I were in a good state of mind at the time, then yeah
5: [00:01:13] <antmas> of course
6: [00:01:26] <adrexia> activists are often described as insane
7: [00:01:32] <antmas> but will take time
8: [00:01:32] <antmas> fixing the mental welfare problem is a better idea
9: [00:01:40] <antmas> what happens in the interim?
10: [00:01:43] <adrexia> police are not equipt to make that sort of assessment.
11: [00:01:53] <adrexia> if they need something to happen they should go to a judge
12: [00:01:56] <antmas> adrexia: so equip them?
13: [00:02:07] <adrexia> ggive them a process, sure
14: [00:02:12] <adrexia> but it's not their job
15: [00:02:26] <adrexia> and making it their job sounds like an absokutely horrible idea
16: [00:02:38] <adrexia> 'conflict of interest' and all that
17: [00:02:54] <irogue> yeah - it's a bit like how slowly the Fire Service are having to do ambulance's job cos St John suck
18: [00:02:59] <antmas> ok so scenario
19: [00:03:06] <irogue> they're trained at it, but nowhere near as well as an actual ambo would be
20: [00:03:13] <antmas> we give mental health more funding to get up and running
21: [00:03:19] <antmas> which is awesome, and needed
22: [00:03:31] <antmas> but it takes 6 months to get back online to the point where adequate care is provided
23: [00:03:39] <antmas> what happens in the interim?
24: [00:03:47] <antmas> it could even be a year
25: [00:03:48] <adrexia> laws don't hange that fast eitehr, you know
26: [00:03:52] <adrexia> *change
27: [00:04:02] <adrexia> they, ideally, take years to change
28: [00:04:02] <antmas> I know, just thinking of a way to 'fill the gap'
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30: [00:04:16] <adrexia> ahh right
31: [00:04:17] <adrexia> charity
32: [00:04:26] <adrexia> social workers
33: [00:04:28] <antmas> yeah that could work
34: [00:04:36] <irogue> and apparently there are some massive issues with fireys getting depressed because people are dying in their care because they weren't skilled enough to save them
35: [00:04:50] <adrexia> irogue, that's horrible :(
36: [00:05:06] <antmas> so why can't police approach charities or social workers? that's not a law change
37: [00:05:27] <irogue> antmas: would still require money to come from somewhere tho
38: [00:05:29] <antmas> irogue: that happened to my uncle in the early 2000s
39: [00:05:30] <adrexia> antmas - because what police do is largely dictated
40: [00:05:36] <adrexia> they need to change internal processes
41: [00:05:48] <adrexia> ...or to have one for dealing with these situations
42: [00:06:05] <antmas> mmm
43: [00:06:06] <irogue> eh, that's not really the issue - NZ police are probably the least dictated police in the western world. a lot of decision making is placed on the cops on the ground
44: [00:06:20] <irogue> but there have to first be charities able to cope with taking that
45: [00:06:33] <adrexia> yeah, that's true also - but if you are talking about the police as a whole, you need process
46: [00:06:41] <antmas> mm, so a process change to aid in the interim while we work towards getting more funding sounds like a good solution to me
47: [00:06:49] <adrexia> people don't just magically know what the best thing to do is.
48: [00:07:10] <adrexia> irogue, agree
49: [00:07:16] <adrexia> and charity is a gap filler
50: [00:07:40] * adrexia shrugs
51: [00:07:42] <irogue> a really good example of that police thing is actually Womens Refuge in hamilton
52: [00:07:44] <adrexia> I'm not a cop
53: [00:07:59] <irogue> its not police policy or anything, but they've given WR a couple of police radios
54: [00:08:15] <adrexia> I can only talk about things I don't have much idea about and no ability to influence
55: [00:08:24] <irogue> so that when police attend a domestic, they can easily radio WR and ask them to come talk to the victim
56: [00:08:39] <adrexia> yeah, that's pretty cool.
57: [00:08:46] <antmas> yeah see? that can work
58: [00:08:49] <irogue> and equally WR can hear when police are dispatched to the house of someone theyve already worked with before
59: [00:08:53] <irogue> and know to follow up on it
60: [00:09:04] <antmas> Waikato DHB could employ something similar, surely
61: [00:09:05] <adrexia> irogue, that sounds like 'unofficial' policy
62: [00:09:31] <adrexia> antmas - maybe they will
63: [00:10:04] <simon_w|air> Problem is that mental health related charities are more underfund than WR
64: [00:10:27] <irogue> and thats a big deal cos WR is almost entirely funded by Tainui due to their govt funding having been cut
65: [00:10:47] <irogue> they get a small amount from DHB, the rest used to come from MSD but that's all been cut
66: [00:10:57] <antmas> MSD?
67: [00:11:13] <antmas> this is all way too depressing for a friday :<
68: [00:11:14] <irogue> Ministry of Social Development (WINZ, CYF etc)
69: [00:11:19] <antmas> ah right
70: [00:11:42] <adrexia> antmas it is right?
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72: [00:12:00] <antmas> adrexia: ?
73: [00:12:08] <adrexia> too depressing
74: [00:12:23] <adrexia> but, ahh, it's also people's lives everyday
75: [00:12:24] <antmas> Oh lol I read that as 'is it right?'
76: [00:12:33] <adrexia> ahh, yeha, missing comma
77: [00:12:40] <adrexia> ;)
78: [00:12:44] <antmas> :P
79: [00:12:49] <antmas> dat context
80: [00:12:53] <irogue> http://www.terunanga.org.nz/te-whakaruruhau.html
81: [00:13:03] <adrexia> grammar saves lives
82: [00:13:33] <adrexia> irogue they look powerful as hell
83: [00:13:34] <antmas> irogue: I wish they'd just call it 'Womans Refuge'
84: [00:13:35] <adrexia> :D
85: [00:13:48] <adrexia> love the website too
86: [00:13:52] <adrexia> really nice
87: [00:13:55] <irogue> now covering non-Maori also as the "regular" womens refuge shut down due to no funding, but the Maori one is part of Te Runanga which is controlled by the Maori King/Queen
88: [00:14:11] <irogue> so funded through by Tainui
89: [00:14:23] <antmas> irogue: when did they start covering non-maori?
90: [00:14:31] <antmas> Tainui is a trust yeah?
91: [00:14:35] <irogue> antmas: Tainui is an Iwi
92: [00:14:36] <adrexia> they can call it what they like, if they are helping people it's more than what we're doing talkign about it
93: [00:14:37] <adrexia> :P
94: [00:14:49] <irogue> antmas: late last year
95: [00:14:56] <antmas> irogue: yeah I know, but the financial side
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97: [00:16:07] <irogue> antmas: iwi have their own special legal status, they're required to direct all profit toward services benefitting their iwi members, and any money left over is equally distributed among members
98: [00:16:29] <antmas> oh ok
99: [00:16:31] <antmas> that's how it works
100: [00:16:59] <antmas> I should really know this given it's my iwi too :P
101: [00:17:00] <irogue> Tainui Group Holdings is the business arm and they're *rich*
102: [00:17:25] <irogue> http://tgh.co.nz/admin/documentlibrary/top20properties.pdf
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104: [00:19:10] <antmas> omg Michael Laws
105: [00:19:13] <irogue> so the Maori health/community services are generally extremely good in Waikato, because all of the profit from those businesses has to go somewhere!
106: [00:19:16] <antmas> such a hyperdouche
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109: [00:20:14] <irogue> http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11453004&ref=NZH_Tw
110: [00:20:18] <irogue> that looks like a delicious road
111: [00:20:22] <irogue> antmas: omg yes
112: [00:20:44] <ss23> that looks super unsafe
113: [00:20:46] <ss23> and gross
114: [00:20:49] <ss23> shockingly gross
115: [00:21:03] <antmas> looks like snot
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117: [00:22:40] <irogue> http://engage.ubiquity.co.nz/mail/view/d2QYge1RsU6ZkAjSYp3ZHg
118: [00:22:47] <irogue> those percentages actually really impressive
119: [00:23:10] <irogue> cos people usually only bother to do an official response if they're moaning
120: [00:24:22] <irogue> i notice they don't mention a percentage on the West Auckland one though, which I know everyone is unimpressed with :P
121: [00:24:39] <antmas> awww yiss pig on the spit tonight :D
122: [00:24:51] <irogue> mmmmmm pig
123: [00:25:13] <irogue> i'm also having pig, but pork sirloins from new world, not quite on the spit :P
124: [00:26:10] <irogue> http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11452940
125: [00:26:11] <irogue> WHAT THE FUCK
126: [00:27:21] <antmas> irogue: dude that happened in Nelson years ago when dickheads put razor blades in the joins of the Tahunanui hydroslide
127: [00:27:50] <irogue> jeez
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129: [00:28:19] <Colin[pi]> people are fucking arseholes
130: [00:28:31] <antmas> we need some life bleach in here
131: [00:28:38] <antmas> in the form of gifs :D
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133: [00:29:49] <Colin[pi]> antmas:
134: [00:29:56] <Colin[pi]> http://imgur.com/afAAalW
135: [00:30:10] <antmas> eeeeeeeeeeeeee
136: [00:31:35] <irogue> "there's a rubbish bin which is beeping outside Ray White real estate"
137: [00:32:13] <antmas> was it UncleCheese after his offer was declined?
138: [00:32:20] <Colin[pi]> LOLOLO
139: [00:32:21] <antmas> fuck you NZ housing! lol
140: [00:32:26] <irogue> hahaha
141: [00:32:36] <Colin[pi]> nice antmas
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143: [00:32:47] <antmas> XD
144: [00:32:54] <UncleCheese> :(
145: [00:33:26] * antmas passes UncleCheese more flowers o/***
146: [00:34:16] <UncleCheese> god damn that is fucked up, though
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148: [00:35:45] <veb> antmas: is that you in the print you ordered? :P
149: [00:36:11] <antmas> veb: it's my lad :D
150: [00:36:14] <antmas> but also my feet
151: [00:36:18] <veb> how old is he?
152: [00:36:22] <veb> and yeah I saw the feet
153: [00:36:23] <antmas> 2.5
154: [00:36:24] <veb> I was like ew.
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156: [00:36:27] <veb> ah cool
157: [00:36:32] <veb> my lad is cuter
158: [00:36:37] <veb> and he's on google play
159: [00:36:38] <veb> HA
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161: [00:37:02] <antmas> I wouldn't know, I don't have creepy access to people's photos :P
162: [00:37:11] <veb> lol
163: [00:37:25] <veb> yes you do.
164: [00:37:30] <veb> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.twozelex.happymoose
165: [00:37:32] <veb> see?
166: [00:37:36] <veb> they're not stock images lol
167: [00:37:42] <antmas> :P
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169: [00:37:47] <antmas> another feature
170: [00:37:50] <veb> except maybe...
171: [00:37:56] <veb> oh jesus what
172: [00:37:58] <veb> I just realised
173: [00:38:06] <veb> nearly every picture has a fucking little kid and a dog in it
174: [00:38:07] <antmas> the emailed receipt should also contain a thumbnail or something of the images you used
175: [00:38:08] <veb> oh wow
176: [00:38:09] <veb> what
177: [00:38:14] <veb> haha
178: [00:38:26] <antmas> lol
179: [00:38:43] <antmas> that albums screenshot
180: [00:38:51] <veb> aye
181: [00:38:56] <veb> but look at the first one
182: [00:39:03] <veb> that's a stock img I think
183: [00:39:08] <veb> little kid with a hat patting a dog
184: [00:39:16] <veb> then third mage, a girl hugging a dog
185: [00:39:21] <veb> then fourth... my dog
186: [00:39:21] <antmas> mm
187: [00:39:25] <veb> and they're all yellow doggies!
188: [00:39:38] <veb> someone's trying to make me buy a puppy or something
189: [00:39:42] <veb> o_O
190: [00:40:50] <antmas> veb: my lad no longer has his hair as he gave himself an impromptu haircut with my beard trimmer \o/
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192: [00:41:03] <veb> rofl
193: [00:41:04] <veb> wow.
194: [00:41:04] <irogue> hahaha
195: [00:41:11] <veb> that's what I have to look forward to then
196: [00:41:18] <veb> ... fun
197: [00:41:21] <Colin[pi]> veb: oh you don't know the half of it
198: [00:41:25] <veb> :p
199: [00:41:27] <Colin[pi]> *evil laugh*
200: [00:41:29] <veb> don't tell me!
201: [00:41:30] <veb> la la la la
202: [00:41:37] <Colin[pi]> you're doomed
203: [00:41:39] <Colin[pi]> DOOOMED
204: [00:41:41] <Colin[pi]> :D
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212: [00:51:01] <veb> antmas: thanks for your feedback though.
213: [00:51:10] <veb> I only creeped on your picture to make sure we'd gotten it OK.
214: [00:51:19] <veb> congrats. you're the first to order via Android
215: [00:51:20] <veb> haha
216: [00:51:58] <antmas> :D
217: [00:52:02] <antmas> #first!
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219: [00:55:44] <antmas> this cop outfit is awesome http://i.imgur.com/PRHXtwk.gifv
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221: [00:56:30] <Colin[pi]> aww poor doggy
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223: [00:57:27] <Colin[pi]> lol is that his tongue hanging out at the end?
224: [00:57:33] <veb> dogy?
225: [00:57:34] <veb> doggy?!
226: [00:57:35] <veb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znM9YD2J3Cw
227: [00:58:16] <antmas> XD
228: [00:58:24] <antmas> Colin[pi]: lol yeah, having a bit of a derp
229: [00:59:05] <Colin[pi]> pretty sure he's doing better than I would be lol
230: [01:00:31] <antmas> haha
231: [01:00:36] <antmas> this is win https://i.imgur.com/7circvL.png
232: [01:01:06] <Colin[pi]> lol @ Japanese one
233: [01:01:13] <Colin[pi]> (of course it's an octopus)
234: [01:01:20] <irogue> update on the beeping rubbish bin at the real estate office: "a smoke alarm had been thrown into the bin and its battery was going flat"
235: [01:01:31] <antmas> hahaha
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237: [01:01:39] <Colin[pi]> lool
238: [01:01:48] <antmas> who hasn't done that before?
239: [01:01:59] <antmas> 'fucking thing, it was just toast damnit!'
240: [01:02:16] <veb> hmm
241: [01:02:32] <veb> who else has ever received apologies from several facebook employees?
242: [01:02:35] <veb> _publicly_
243: [01:03:07] <antmas> he should have just taken it into the real estate building with a stone cold look on his face and said 'smoke alarms save lives' then place it on the floor and walk out
244: [01:03:13] <Colin[pi]> veb: simon_w|air ?
245: [01:03:25] <veb> ME
246: [01:03:54] <simon_w|air> Probably?
247: [01:04:00] <simon_w|air> Would have to check IRC logs :p
248: [01:04:06] <veb> see: https://www.dropbox.com/s/0khmpf8hnl33juh/Screenshot%202015-05-22%2013.03.59.png?dl=0
249: [01:04:09] <veb> heh
250: [01:04:17] <veb> and a couple more said sorry on HackerNews
251: [01:04:23] <veb> *shakes head*
252: [01:04:31] <irogue> this is an interesting day to be listening to the hamilton police, a lot of people on leave combined with some major incidents. so all kinds of units you never usually hear from are doing things.
253: [01:04:49] <antmas> irogue: chemtrails
254: [01:05:28] <irogue> there's Youth Aid officers attending domestics with weapons involved, and an Inspector doing a foot patrol in the CBD
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256: [01:05:58] <veb> ALSO
257: [01:06:04] <veb> who else has gotten into the new york times before?
258: [01:06:09] * veb points to himself
259: [01:06:27] <Vedran__> Hello all. Is it possible to template a 'holder' page?
260: [01:06:49] <Colin[pi]> veb: well I'll have you know, I was in The Chronicle, a free local newspaper that has a readership of at LEAST 8 people
261: [01:06:56] <veb> buddy.
262: [01:06:57] <veb> http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/05/magazine/y-combinator-silicon-valleys-start-up-machine.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
263: [01:07:09] <veb> "Then something unexpected happened: a New Zealand man used Teespring to design a Sherlock Holmes T-shirt and sold it on a Facebook fan page with about 300,000 members; ultimately, 1,800 people bought the shirt"
264: [01:07:14] <veb> I am THE New Zealand man!
265: [01:07:16] <veb> THE!
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268: [01:07:22] <veb> derp
269: [01:07:37] <Colin[pi]> :D
270: [01:07:57] <Ryan-Toast> veb: really?
271: [01:08:06] <veb> Ryan-Toast: what?
272: [01:08:12] <Ryan-Toast> veb: WHAT?
273: [01:08:26] <veb> what are you asking, kind sir?
274: [01:08:31] <Ryan-Toast> veb: How uch did you make off of the shirts?
275: [01:08:43] <veb> nowhere close to the figure that article claims
276: [01:08:44] <veb> lol
277: [01:08:52] <veb> or maybe... I blew it all on cocaine in little ol' Dunedin
278: [01:08:55] <veb> (not likely)
279: [01:09:14] <veb> apparently I earned $18,000 and they earned $8,000
280: [01:09:21] <veb> and now they're in YCombinator.
281: [01:09:26] <veb> just raised 20m series A
282: [01:09:27] * veb sighs
283: [01:09:42] <veb> that wasn't even the best sale i did either!
284: [01:10:18] <veb> CEO teespring went to queenstown for last new years... getting out at the airport, he sees someone with a teespring tshirt... which coincidentally just happens to be my design
285: [01:10:19] <veb> lol'd
286: [01:10:46] <veb> that reminds me, these clothes are getting a bit old now, so I'll ask for some more
287: [01:10:54] <veb> I got these epic jackets and vests and stuff.
288: [01:11:02] <veb> such quality. wow.
289: [01:12:22] <Colin[pi]> veb
290: [01:12:32] <veb> wut
291: [01:12:33] <Colin[pi]> take a breath
292: [01:12:35] <Colin[pi]> :D
293: [01:12:39] <veb> nuh
294: [01:12:40] <veb> no need
295: [01:12:46] <veb> 18k worth of cocaine!
296: [01:12:47] <veb> lol
297: [01:12:54] <Colin[pi]> looks like it :P
298: [01:13:11] <veb> not quite 4m
299: [01:13:15] <veb> Members: 3,778,583
300: [01:13:53] <Colin[pi]> members for what?
301: [01:14:03] <veb> that's the very first community I built
302: [01:14:09] <veb> and marketed
303: [01:14:18] <veb> I hadn't even finished high school when I started that
304: [01:15:56] <veb> it's funny how everything is the same
305: [01:16:05] <veb> I wrote most of that code over 7 - 8 years ago
306: [01:16:12] * veb shakes head in disgust
307: [01:16:21] <veb> the worst thing is I can still remember where everything else
308: [01:16:28] <veb> but not on any recent projects I've been doing >.<
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313: [01:53:13] <zippy> Stomach: Looked at http://vuejs.org/ before?
314: [01:53:34] <Stomach> yeeeep
315: [01:56:22] <zippy> thoughts?
316: [02:00:25] <irogue> "comms from city cameras, there's 5 girls here at the transport centre to beat up a girls' high girl. we've managed to take the intended victim and put her somewhere safe, but the 5 are hunting around looking for her."
317: [02:00:58] <zippy> the hunger games
318: [02:00:59] <irogue> nice work there from the cameras operator to hide the girl :)
319: [02:01:07] <adrexia> irogue, whats that froim?
320: [02:01:17] <irogue> adrexia: hamilton police scanner
321: [02:01:25] <adrexia> ahh right
322: [02:01:42] <adrexia> feral
323: [02:01:56] <irogue> that pretty much describes hamilton girls high
324: [02:01:57] <antmas> irogue: does it say how old they are?
325: [02:02:30] <irogue> antmas: not sure about the victim, but the aggressors drove there, so (hopefully) 16+
326: [02:02:48] <adrexia> how'd they know what was happening?
327: [02:02:56] <antmas> it is Hamilton we're talking about, so they could be 12yos driving
328: [02:03:03] <adrexia> lol
329: [02:03:18] <zippy> UncleCheese: how'd it go in the end
330: [02:03:25] <antmas> adrexia: victim probably told the people who were hiding her
331: [02:03:28] <UncleCheese> eh?
332: [02:03:32] <antmas> maybe?
333: [02:03:33] <antmas> idk
334: [02:03:33] <zippy> they counter?
335: [02:03:34] <adrexia> good
336: [02:03:40] <UncleCheese> nah, we walked
337: [02:04:03] <zippy> fair enough, the search continues.
338: [02:04:03] <antmas> UncleCheese: like a baws
339: [02:04:03] <UncleCheese> we countered 495, but they just said kthxbye
340: [02:04:11] <UncleCheese> ha
341: [02:04:18] <UncleCheese> do bosses get this depressed?
342: [02:04:20] <zippy> probably still be up in a few months :)
343: [02:04:26] <UncleCheese> let's hope so
344: [02:04:33] <zippy> then ring the real estate agent with 465 :)
345: [02:04:41] <UncleCheese> and maybe they're return to reality
346: [02:05:00] <UncleCheese> but by then we'll have moved to Gore
347: [02:05:11] <zippy> :)
348: [02:05:12] <UncleCheese> maybe buy up a whole street
349: [02:05:17] <antmas> lol
350: [02:05:18] <zippy> be cheaper, and probably get ufb
351: [02:05:21] <UncleCheese> HA
352: [02:05:24] <antmas> Gore has 'streets'?
353: [02:05:27] <UncleCheese> tough commute though
354: [02:05:41] <simon_w|air> SS still doesn't let you telecommute?
355: [02:05:43] <zippy> antmas: caravan park, Trailer Park Boys is filmed there.... :)
356: [02:05:50] <antmas> UncleCheese: just remote in from your soggy wood cabin
357: [02:06:11] <antmas> lol poor Gore
358: [02:06:43] <UncleCheese> simon_w|air not permanently
359: [02:06:50] <adrexia> simon_w|air, the issue is that for scrum teams either the whole team needs to be remote or noone does
360: [02:06:53] <irogue> adrexia: couldve been from the intended victim, and they also have undercover council staff at the transport centre with radios to the Cameras operator due to the amount of shit that goes down there
361: [02:06:59] <UncleCheese> working from home is usually fine, though
362: [02:07:06] <UncleCheese> yeah, what adrexia said
363: [02:07:08] <adrexia> otherwise coms get's all out of sync
364: [02:07:11] * irogue is working from home right now
365: [02:07:30] <simon_w|air> That's a really bad setup
366: [02:07:35] <UncleCheese> not sure i buy a lot of the scrumology
367: [02:07:37] <antmas> That's probably what I'll do for my next job, remote
368: [02:07:41] <UncleCheese> some of it i really love
369: [02:07:49] <adrexia> simon_w|air, perhaps they could look at having a whole team of remote people
370: [02:07:56] <UncleCheese> other parts of it, like the telecommuting thing, feel like religion
371: [02:08:31] <simon_w|air> adrexia, if communication gets lost because some people are remote, the communication policy is shit
372: [02:08:39] <adrexia> UncleCheese, it's not a problem with a disciplined team who always use online comms
373: [02:08:40] <irogue> I do agree that things like estimation and retros work far better when everyone is together
374: [02:08:52] <UncleCheese> yeah
375: [02:09:01] <adrexia> but it's a very goos point - people in the same room often talk outloud rtaher than over the ntet
376: [02:09:02] <UncleCheese> on my fridays i do freelance work for a remote team
377: [02:09:05] <UncleCheese> and it's all about slack
378: [02:09:25] <irogue> our scrum master at the moment is remote, but she comes up 2 days a week for the things that are better in person
379: [02:09:35] <UncleCheese> oh, right
380: [02:09:39] <antmas> like what for example irogue ?
381: [02:09:42] <UncleCheese> i forgot alex was your scrumaster
382: [02:09:45] <UncleCheese> that's crazy
383: [02:09:47] <adrexia> you can do the whole lot online without issue I reckon
384: [02:10:03] <adrexia> we have the technology
385: [02:10:03] <irogue> antmas: meetings with the client
386: [02:10:11] <simon_w|air> Also, anything done in person should then be turned into something electronic
387: [02:10:15] <antmas> irogue: ah true
388: [02:10:16] <adrexia> oh yeah, client meetings are a bit tougher ;)
389: [02:10:28] <irogue> and in (decent) scrum, a lot of meetings are client meetings
390: [02:10:36] <adrexia> so much gets lost when you aren't face-to-face
391: [02:10:57] <adrexia> simon_w|air, agree
392: [02:11:03] <adrexia> but...
393: [02:11:14] <adrexia> well the policy doesn't come from dev's
394: [02:11:22] <adrexia> and scrum master's worry that it won't happen
395: [02:11:59] <adrexia> irogue, yeah, but one face-to-face a fortnight is probably enough
396: [02:12:10] <adrexia> not everry client meeting needs to be face-to-face
397: [02:12:19] <simon_w|air> Also, face-to-face can do video chats
398: [02:12:48] <irogue> not if your client is westpac and no form of skype etc can get through their network :P
399: [02:13:08] <adrexia> irogue, get better clients?
400: [02:13:09] <adrexia> ;)
401: [02:13:22] <antmas> lol
402: [02:13:34] <adrexia> or make them come down to the office
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404: [02:13:50] <adrexia> but yeah, taht's a good point
405: [02:14:04] <adrexia> not all clients businesses are tech literate
406: [02:14:21] <adrexia> but not everyone is on a team with those clients either
407: [02:14:28] <antmas> adrexia: are you saying westpac isnt?
408: [02:14:37] <adrexia> antmas -they are a big corporate
409: [02:14:42] <adrexia> their tech is old school
410: [02:14:51] <antmas> mm
411: [02:15:01] <simon_w|air> adrexia, but those clients can go into the office and video conference with remote devs from there
412: [02:15:01] <antmas> banks are so fucking backwards
413: [02:15:18] <irogue> no matter how much technology there is, face to face is always easier. thats the reason why SS puts people onsite at clients' offices - easier to just go talk to the product owner, or the person responsible for some other system you're integrating with
414: [02:15:18] <adrexia> simon_w|air, I don't disagree
415: [02:15:32] <adrexia> I think it's probably a 'one rule for all' sort of thing
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417: [02:16:11] <adrexia> irogue easier yeah. but less flexible
418: [02:16:59] <antmas> what if the client requests video?
419: [02:17:07] <antmas> do you just go 'ok' and do it?
420: [02:17:12] <adrexia> then the client gets video, duh ;)
421: [02:17:23] <adrexia> lol
422: [02:17:26] <simon_w|air> antmas, they let clients remote but not staff
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424: [02:17:38] <antmas> ah ok
425: [02:17:43] <adrexia> when we worked with the MyMeridian people we had google chat standups every morning
426: [02:17:49] <adrexia> because they were based in chch
427: [02:17:58] <adrexia> ...or soem of them were
428: [02:18:34] <adrexia> simon_w|air, it's not that they don't let staff
429: [02:18:35] <antmas> https://www.mymeridian.co.nz/login/ ?
430: [02:18:57] <adrexia> it's that it can't be fulltime in most cases
431: [02:18:58] <zippy> admin | admin
432: [02:19:04] <adrexia> Ingo was remote for years though
433: [02:19:07] <simon_w|air> adrexia, would it be correct to say that it's for the benefit of middle management rather than anything else?
434: [02:19:11] <antmas> zippy: :P
435: [02:19:14] <Ryan-Toast> antmas: sigh.
436: [02:19:21] <adrexia> simon_w|air, I reckon it is, yeah
437: [02:19:23] <Ryan-Toast> antmas: WHY DON’T THEY MAKE THE IMAGE BIGGER?
438: [02:19:25] <antmas> Ryan-Toast: ruh?
439: [02:19:37] <antmas> Ryan-Toast: oh lol, yeah I was going to bitch about that
440: [02:19:57] <irogue> adrexia: he's not really "staff" but jean-fabien too
441: [02:20:06] <Ryan-Toast> antmas: I dig their loading icon though.
442: [02:20:09] <adrexia> irogue, yep - and otehr contractors
443: [02:20:33] <simon_w|air> Heh, they almost made me work from the office when contracted for a CWP module
444: [02:20:34] * zippy forgot what he was doing
445: [02:20:35] <antmas> Ryan-Toast: yeah that's pretty sweet
446: [02:20:47] <irogue> damo and julian are both 'remote'
447: [02:20:48] <simon_w|air> Apparently the other end of the street was too far away
448: [02:20:50] <adrexia> oh, you guys are looking at the mymeridian app?
449: [02:21:00] <antmas> adrexia: yip
450: [02:21:05] <antmas> my OCD is on fire
451: [02:21:07] <adrexia> Heyday made it, we just implmented pay online
452: [02:21:27] <adrexia> it's a flavour of backbone
453: [02:21:34] <antmas> alignment? what alignment?
454: [02:21:37] <antmas> :P
455: [02:22:11] <adrexia> huh?
456: [02:22:24] * antmas zooms in on cookbooks
457: [02:22:26] <irogue> I reckon these days the remote thing at SS is mostly up to the individual scrummaster to decide
458: [02:22:30] <adrexia> lols
459: [02:22:38] <antmas> good ol' Jamie
460: [02:22:42] <adrexia> irogue, I would say it is, yeah
461: [02:22:52] <adrexia> I think, perhaps, it should be up to the team as a whole
462: [02:23:09] <simon_w|air> adrexia, but that would be actually agile! :p
463: [02:23:17] <adrexia> but silverstripe has sort of flipped Agile
464: [02:23:24] <irogue> ideally yeah, though that's a bit weird when teams aren't consistent
465: [02:23:35] <adrexia> scrum masters are like middle managemnt ratehr than team members
466: [02:23:45] <irogue> they're both SM and PM
467: [02:23:49] <adrexia> yep
468: [02:24:09] <adrexia> but scrum masters need to be *in* the team working for the team, so there's a bit of a conflict there
469: [02:24:20] <irogue> well I think it depends again on the SM
470: [02:24:28] <irogue> Alex definitely considers herself part of the team
471: [02:24:34] <adrexia> sometimes I think the title is mostly a lie and silverstripe has no scrum masters
472: [02:24:48] <irogue> but David certainly acted like our boss
473: [02:24:54] * adrexia nods
474: [02:25:02] <adrexia> there's a reason people think Alex does scrum well ;)
475: [02:25:17] <irogue> adrexia: who were your SMs?
476: [02:25:44] <simon_w|air> Isn't the purpose of the scrum master to run the meetings and convert developer speak to something a client understands?
477: [02:25:50] <simon_w|air> And that's it
478: [02:25:51] <adrexia> but it's politically complicated now too, since PMs are also direct managers for tehir tea members
479: [02:26:04] <adrexia> irogue, lol, thye are both gone now ;)
480: [02:26:52] <antmas> simon_w|air: that just sounds like a BA
481: [02:27:05] <adrexia> simon_w|air, it can be quite varied
482: [02:27:17] <adrexia> but often a scrum master is a developer/designer/BA
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484: [02:27:31] <adrexia> as opposed to a PM
485: [02:27:38] <irogue> tbh for small teams its hard to justify a fulltime scrummaster who isn't also something else
486: [02:27:52] <adrexia> irogue, depends how much you care about the team ;)
487: [02:28:06] <irogue> well i mean, what'd they be doing all day? sitting in their hands?
488: [02:28:07] <adrexia> but yeah it's often a BA role
489: [02:28:27] <adrexia> or shared between teams
490: [02:28:35] <irogue> adrexia: which is the new SS way
491: [02:28:41] <adrexia> yeah
492: [02:28:51] <irogue> shared between teams, with most of the management moved to cj+paul
493: [02:28:51] <adrexia> I just worry about PM's being scrum masters
494: [02:29:21] <irogue> I'm very mixed on it
495: [02:29:32] <adrexia> irogue, nah that's the HR stuff that's moved right?
496: [02:29:35] <irogue> it seems wrong, but at the same time it's horrible having a PM who isn't *in* your team
497: [02:29:39] <adrexia> not the project management
498: [02:29:52] <irogue> adrexia: i mean the management of the team, not the project
499: [02:30:00] <simon_w|air> Isn't having PMs kinda against scrum? The team's supposed to do all of the project stuff
500: [02:30:00] * adrexia nods
501: [02:30:16] <irogue> there's an actual HR person now (Rhiana), so cj+paul can focus on team management rather than paperwork
502: [02:30:17] <adrexia> simon_w|air, nah - agile project managbers are a thing
503: [02:30:22] <adrexia> they do the money side
504: [02:30:28] <adrexia> and control the budget
505: [02:30:52] <adrexia> and whether things are going to come in on time etc
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508: [02:32:57] <adrexia> but really, all these things are just frameworks you can bend in whaterver direction works for you
509: [02:33:18] <adrexia> I'm just unconvinced the PM scrum masters aren't a direct conflict of interest
510: [02:34:13] <simon_w|air> Our PM takes all his cues from the support team, which is a massive conflict :(
511: [02:34:37] <simon_w|air> This is of the upmost importance! It could cause a support ticket!
512: [02:34:56] <irogue> haha
513: [02:35:07] <simon_w|air> He keeps saying we need to push back against that
514: [02:35:10] <simon_w|air> Then doesn't let us
515: [02:35:42] <zippy> send in support tickets asking/telling them things you guys want to do :)
516: [02:35:56] <zippy> "omg it's not working very well, you guys need to refactor xxx"
517: [02:36:38] * zippy just CBF today
518: [02:36:56] * simon_w|air has a had case of CBF for the last couple of weeks
519: [02:37:09] <antmas> zippy: simon_w|air +1
520: [02:37:17] <simon_w|air> Burnout sucks :(
521: [02:37:20] * antmas is not watching Witcher 3 videos
522: [02:37:23] <simon_w|air> And I haven't even been here a year
523: [02:37:48] <irogue> i've been at SS a year now
524: [02:38:16] <adrexia> irogue, only a year?
525: [02:38:19] <irogue> yup
526: [02:38:26] <adrexia> though it was longer somehow
527: [02:38:31] <adrexia> *thought
528: [02:38:47] <antmas> so did I
529: [02:39:08] <antmas> I've been here 2 years as of last week
530: [02:39:13] <irogue> adrexia: well i've been in the IRC since like 2007 and met you at a pre-3.0 hackfest, so I can understand why it'd be hard to keep track of when I actually started *at* SS
531: [02:40:49] <zippy> ok, I got two lists, when I select an item from the first list I need to fetch some stuff from the database and populate the second list with the ajax response. Thats all fine but it's slow. This is just SS overhead so I am wondering, seperate php file which includes the _ss_environment.php and does the fetch and json return, or is there a better way to make this fast with silverstripe?
532: [02:41:30] <simon_w|air> zippy, how big's the second list (in total)
533: [02:41:32] <antmas> zippy: is it the ajax driven list that's slow you mean?
534: [02:41:33] <irogue> zippy: either keep doing it in SS but cache the response on the server for others who pick the same from the first list, or standalone php
535: [02:42:03] <irogue> or just include all the data as a js object in the page
536: [02:42:05] <irogue> (my personal fav)
537: [02:42:11] <simon_w|air> zippy, last time I had to do that, just had all the data for the second list already fetched
538: [02:42:24] <zippy> simon_w|air: I am tempted to store the second list in the page as a joson string if that is what your getting at... but the second list is 20k items... it's pretty big
539: [02:42:33] <zippy> if it was 20 then I am sure it's fine
540: [02:42:42] <antmas> 20k items? o.O
541: [02:42:44] <zippy> antmas: it's the request to SS and response
542: [02:42:50] <irogue> yeah thats probably a bit big for that. how many items is the first list?
543: [02:43:07] <zippy> 200
544: [02:43:18] <simon_w|air> zippy, yeah, can't just dump it all out then. Bypass SS is probably the safest
545: [02:43:30] <simon_w|air> (Cache invalidation is a bitch)
546: [02:43:33] <zippy> using select2 so people can just start typing to filter the records so it's all fine...
547: [02:43:57] <zippy> simon_w|air: yea I don't want to cache... so might just do separate php file..
548: [02:44:01] <zippy> hm
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550: [02:45:01] <zippy> so much overhead..
551: [02:45:25] <irogue> holy shit that's literally a police callsign i've *never* heard before who is attending a random job
552: [02:45:30] <irogue> had to google it - Ethnic Liason Officer
553: [02:46:01] <antmas> dafuq does that even mean?
554: [02:46:34] * Colin[pi] quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
555: [02:46:34] <zippy> translator?
556: [02:47:00] <simon_w|air> Main point of contact for different ethnicities?
557: [02:47:13] <irogue> looks like they basically liase with various ethnic community groups (mosques, marae, etc etc)
558: [02:47:27] <irogue> because often people from minorities will go to those kindof places for help instead of the police
559: [02:47:32] <antmas> so, talk to them?
560: [02:47:42] <irogue> yup, basically an in-between between those groups and the police
561: [02:48:12] <irogue> but doesn't normally actually *do* policing, not necessarily even a sworn officer
562: [02:49:13] * Stomach has joined #silverstripe
563: [02:50:26] <antmas> irogue: this what you were talking about earlier? http://www.stuff.co.nz/waikato-times/news/68771843/fatal-car-crash-near-hamilton
564: [02:51:10] <irogue> yup that'll be it
565: [02:53:23] <irogue> jebus, now there's someone driving on the wrong side of the road and, according to a witness, "looking like they're actually trying to crash into other people"
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567: [02:54:24] <irogue> this is possibly the most active day shift i've ever heard
568: [02:54:43] <zippy> Friday crazies are out
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571: [02:55:46] <antmas> is it a full moon?
572: [02:55:49] <DanaeNZ> hmmm, is changing the Innodb_page_size status variable recommended?
573: [02:56:01] <DanaeNZ> someone has a SiteConfig so big it’s pushing the limit...
574: [02:57:10] <irogue> we've been running into a lot of innodb limits with a userdefinedform
575: [02:57:28] <irogue> over 10,000 entries
576: [02:57:34] <simon_w|air> Use postgres
577: [02:59:40] <irogue> that'd be a hard sell, but there is a switch to mariadb happening soon, wonder if XtraDB is better for stuff like that
578: [03:00:57] <antmas> this thing is so COOL https://youtu.be/IApUK_eu3Ek?t=42
579: [03:01:36] <antmas> pewpew
580: [03:02:01] <DanaeNZ> simon_w|air: haha probably too late for that
581: [03:02:19] <DanaeNZ> irogue: I’ve heard good things about mariadb
582: [03:02:55] <DanaeNZ> you have to change these innodb settings in a config file, don’t you? I hate the MySQL docs
583: [03:03:13] <simon_w|air> DanaeNZ, yup, or SET GLOBAL blah=foo
584: [03:03:20] <simon_w|air> (depending on the setting)
585: [03:03:30] <DanaeNZ> simon_w|air: ah cheers
586: [03:03:45] <simon_w|air> Though that doesn't persist, so want to add it to /etc/mysql/my.cnf too
587: [03:03:56] <Ryan-Toast> antmas: amatuer. Where’s the fly spray?
588: [03:04:00] <DanaeNZ> simon_w|air: gotcha
589: [03:04:11] <antmas> Ryan-Toast: :P
590: [03:04:12] <irogue> yeah, we generally do both so we can change the setting without restarting mysql
591: [03:04:16] <DanaeNZ> simon_w|air: hm, this isn’t table specific is it
592: [03:04:22] <simon_w|air> DanaeNZ, nope
593: [03:04:41] <DanaeNZ> hmmm
594: [03:05:02] <DanaeNZ> it would affect all our testing sites, ha..
595: [03:05:05] <simon_w|air> DanaeNZ, changing innodb_page_size requires restarting mysql
596: [03:05:12] <simon_w|air> (Dynamic variable: No)
597: [03:05:15] <DanaeNZ> simon_w|air: that makes sense
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599: [03:05:35] <DanaeNZ> I’m starting to think it will be better to just refactor the site config a tiny bit
600: [03:05:37] <simon_w|air> DanaeNZ, though, the default is the biggest
601: [03:05:46] <DanaeNZ> these are on 16kb
602: [03:05:50] <antmas> guilty!!!
603: [03:05:51] <DanaeNZ> I thought they could go to 32?
604: [03:06:02] <simon_w|air> That's not what the docs say
605: [03:06:08] <DanaeNZ> maybe I misread
606: [03:06:21] <simon_w|air> What version of MySQL?
607: [03:06:36] <simon_w|air> (>= 5.7.6 can go to 64k)
608: [03:06:39] <DanaeNZ> 5.5.35
609: [03:06:45] <antmas> "A man has been found guilty of the murder of Blessie Gotingco .... more soon"
610: [03:06:46] <DanaeNZ> siiigggn
611: [03:06:46] <simon_w|air> Then you don't even have that setting
612: [03:07:06] <DanaeNZ> it’s in the SHOW STATUS
613: [03:07:12] <DanaeNZ> I guess you can’t change it?
614: [03:07:15] <simon_w|air> But is it in SHOW VARIABLES?
615: [03:07:21] <simon_w|air> It's a compile-time setting in 5.5
616: [03:07:42] <DanaeNZ> simon_w|air: ah, not in SHOW VARIABLES
617: [03:08:26] <DanaeNZ> well nevermind that then'
618: [03:08:34] <irogue> heh, policemans are doing an unintended but probably very useful test of their AOs today. there's usually a sergeant supervising all the AOs (Authorised Officers, semi-sworn cops) who staff the lockup, but due to being so short-staffed he's gone out on the road and the AOs are on their own :P
619: [03:08:37] <DanaeNZ> why is our dev server on MySQL 5.5 only
620: [03:08:52] <DanaeNZ> what’s the latest bestest one?
621: [03:09:06] <simon_w|air> 5.7
622: [03:09:24] <irogue> DanaeNZ: mariadb 10.0.19 ;)
623: [03:09:30] <DanaeNZ> irogue: heheheh
624: [03:09:49] <simon_w|air> irogue, has that caught up with 5.7? Though Maria 10 matched 5.6
625: [03:09:52] <simon_w|air> *Thought
626: [03:10:09] <irogue> what did mysql 5.7 add that wasn't already in maria?
627: [03:10:16] <DanaeNZ> probably nothing
628: [03:11:47] <simon_w|air> I don't really know what's in either
629: [03:12:04] <simon_w|air> 5.6 at least leap frogger the current maria at the time in performance
630: [03:12:42] <simon_w|air> Ooh, optimiser hints. We could use those
631: [03:13:42] <irogue> its really hard to compare them on features now cos they're so diverged
632: [03:14:45] <simon_w|air> "These options have no effect as of MySQL 5.7. because InnoDB cannot be disabled"
633: [03:14:46] <simon_w|air> Finally!
634: [03:14:58] <zippy> are they still backwards compatible
635: [03:15:05] <zippy> I mean, interchangeable
636: [03:15:23] <simon_w|air> Ooh, and old password is gone
637: [03:16:57] <irogue> zippy: mariadb 10 isn't fully drop-in, thats why they ramped up the version number so it isn't "alongside" a mysql one
638: [03:17:21] <irogue> though 5.6 backported a bunch of mariadb 10 stuff so idk if they're more compatible again now
639: [03:18:01] <simon_w|air> Aww, so Maria didn't do the same thing with their license as the ZFS folks did?
640: [03:19:36] <irogue> haha nah
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643: [03:28:19] <antmas> lol paymentexpress just charged one of our customers 17x the convenience fee :P
644: [03:28:25] <antmas> gg
645: [03:28:32] <DanaeNZ> wow
646: [03:28:38] <DanaeNZ> how does that even happen
647: [03:30:28] <Stomach> antmas thats not ideal
648: [03:30:50] <antmas> not sure, sounds like they made lots of 'unsuccesful' attempts at paying, but the conv. fee went through
649: [03:31:12] <antmas> and of course this comes to me on a friday at 3pm \o/
650: [03:35:14] <DanaeNZ> happy friday, lol
651: [03:35:30] <antmas> fml
652: [03:35:51] <antmas> rofl http://imgur.com/EwMA7uk
653: [03:35:56] <irogue> in my unhappy friday tale, I have no $$ until tomorrow and I'm out of cider :'(
654: [03:36:02] <DanaeNZ> “convenience fee” of pinging our api muthafucka
655: [03:36:14] <DanaeNZ> antmas: hahaha
656: [03:36:23] <DanaeNZ> irogue: I have a cider right here
657: [03:37:33] <antmas> irogue: I too, have cider here waiting for me to take home
658: [03:37:44] <antmas> also, who gets paid on a saturday?
659: [03:37:50] <simon_w|air> Ooh, if I leave early I could grab doughnuts on the way home
660: [03:38:02] <antmas> LOL http://imgur.com/n5NeTtO
661: [03:38:48] <DanaeNZ> simon_w|air: as good a reason to leave early as anything
662: [03:39:13] <Stomach> pretty much have to leave now
663: [03:42:24] <antmas> how I feel sitting next to my customer services manager after that paymentexpress thing http://i.imgur.com/yseKD0y.jpg
664: [03:42:43] <simon_w|air> Not animated. Disappointing.
665: [03:43:29] <antmas> :<
666: [03:45:38] <simon_w|air> https://raincoaster.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/friday.gif
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669: [03:49:04] <DanaeNZ> antmas: :*(
670: [03:50:02] <DanaeNZ> ugh table-cell
671: [03:50:09] <DanaeNZ> I want to align you to the left
672: [03:50:10] <antmas> my face when I find out the person never actually checked their bank account to see if they HAD been overcharged http://i.imgur.com/BMQiDpo.gif
673: [03:50:35] <antmas> DanaeNZ: text align?
674: [03:50:41] <DanaeNZ> antmas: that gif is so accurate
675: [03:50:51] <DanaeNZ> also text align doesn’t work :*(
676: [03:51:02] <DanaeNZ> don’t think it works on table-cell
677: [03:51:09] <DanaeNZ> just inline/inline-block
678: [03:51:13] * zippy quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)
679: [03:51:35] <Ryan-Toast> antmas: http://i.imgur.com/NS1w7x1.gifv
680: [03:52:07] <antmas> DanaeNZ: you're trying to align the contents of the td?
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682: [03:53:05] <DanaeNZ> antmas: not a td, just some divs with display:table-cell
683: [03:53:13] <antmas> oh right
684: [03:53:24] * antmas goes back to his archaic tds and trs
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686: [03:53:27] <DanaeNZ> antmas: so does that mean they were never actually overcharged
687: [03:53:36] <DanaeNZ> antmas: AND YOU STAY THERE
688: [03:53:47] <antmas> DanaeNZ: yarp, the just read the receipts and freaked out
689: [03:53:59] <DanaeNZ> good ol customers :D
690: [03:54:10] <antmas> so tbf it _looked_ like they'd been overcharged
691: [03:54:20] <Stomach> thats not fair
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693: [03:54:23] <Stomach> THATS A LIE
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697: [03:58:18] <antmas> :P
698: [03:58:35] <antmas> I was wondering if it was due out ss end of it
699: [03:58:54] <antmas> could have sent an urgent ticket through to ss23 at 4.00pm on a friday :P
700: [03:59:38] <ss23> lol
701: [04:00:12] * Cheddam__ quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
702: [04:00:27] <ss23> NO
703: [04:00:28] <ss23> DENIED
704: [04:00:29] <ss23> :O
705: [04:00:36] <antmas> haha
706: [04:00:46] <antmas> FIXIT
707: [04:00:55] <antmas> I'll even cc the Mayor!
708: [04:01:01] <irogue> WONTFIX
709: [04:01:20] * antmas sends ticket to irogue
710: [04:01:26] <antmas> hayyyyyya! o/
711: [04:01:49] * Stomach quit (Quit: zzz)
712: [04:02:12] <spronk> hm
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714: [04:02:20] <irogue> antmas: you'll have to put a bounty on if you want me to do it :P
715: [04:03:13] <antmas> irogue: your bounty is set at 1x flat cider (1.2l) and a sachet of cupasoup
716: [04:03:19] <antmas> flavour unknown
717: [04:04:06] <antmas> might be mushroom related
718: [04:04:12] <Stomach> related!?
719: [04:04:23] * antmas tries to smell through foil wrapper
720: [04:04:39] <antmas> it's surprise flavour!
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723: [04:05:23] <irogue> ew mushroom
724: [04:06:19] * antmas looks in desk
725: [04:06:28] <antmas> there are some random things in here o.O
726: [04:09:14] <simon_w|air> Turns out searching for "fuck yeah gifs" at work with safe search off is a bad idea...
727: [04:09:49] <spronk> lol
728: [04:09:52] <antmas> lol
729: [04:10:02] <spronk> safesearch off at work in general is a bad idea i would have though
730: [04:10:02] <spronk> t
731: [04:10:05] <simon_w|air> Also, turns out I have safe search off
732: [04:10:10] <antmas> irogue: you *could* get these bad boys http://postimg.org/image/mjdf4yvb7/
733: [04:10:12] <simon_w|air> I don't remember doing that
734: [04:10:54] <antmas> they're only close to 2 years old
735: [04:11:09] <antmas> just a little old as fuck, they're still good! they're still good!
736: [04:12:17] <irogue> I need a V
737: [04:12:28] <irogue> havent had *any* caffeine today
738: [04:12:53] <spronk> quick
739: [04:12:55] <spronk> courier irogue a v
740: [04:14:03] <simon_w|air> Do they have the Iron Man Vs over there?
741: [04:15:07] * irogue checks his glovebox for V
742: [04:15:24] <antmas> glovebox?
743: [04:15:26] <irogue> spronk: I will never forget Pyro's amazement at that
744: [04:15:28] <antmas> oh you're at home
745: [04:15:30] <spronk> :D
746: [04:15:38] <irogue> antmas: yeah and they're a handy thing to just keep in your car
747: [04:16:15] <antmas> irogue: who sent you a v again? was it spronk ?
748: [04:16:27] <spronk> eh irogue sent pyro a v
749: [04:16:33] <antmas> oh lol
750: [04:16:45] <irogue> i'm still amazed it got there overnight
751: [04:17:06] <spronk> heh
752: [04:17:07] <irogue> shipped it from auckland at 4:30pm, was on his desk in chch at 9am
753: [04:17:20] <spronk> b2b courierz
754: [04:17:21] <spronk> pwn
755: [04:18:37] <antmas> woah
756: [04:18:42] <antmas> auckland to?
757: [04:18:50] <antmas> fuck
758: [04:18:52] <spronk> l
759: [04:18:53] <spronk> o
760: [04:18:54] <spronk> l
761: [04:18:54] <antmas> I DO need a beer
762: [04:21:05] <simon_w|air> irogue, but then you never did the same for me :(
763: [04:21:14] <simon_w|air> Should do it now! Customs would love that :p
764: [04:21:56] <ss23> 16:10:10 < antmas> irogue: you *could* get these bad boys http://postimg.org/image/mjdf4yvb7/
765: [04:22:03] <ss23> oh those things are super handy
766: [04:22:13] <ss23> making nice porridge by hand takes longer than I cbf with
767: [04:22:34] <ss23> 16:17:08 < irogue> shipped it from auckland at 4:30pm, was on his desk in chch at 9am
768: [04:22:39] <antmas> ss23: the golden syrup ones are AWESOME
769: [04:22:50] <ss23> inb4 the curiours were like "some idiot shipped a V again, I'll drink this one, you guys buy a new one for him down there"
770: [04:23:06] <antmas> hahaha
771: [04:23:35] <spronk> wut
772: [04:23:38] <spronk> anyone used rocketeer?
773: [04:24:03] <antmas> waht even?
774: [04:24:21] <veb> you guys know of any good returns/refund policies online somewhere?
775: [04:24:30] <veb> specific for NZ law that is
776: [04:24:34] <veb> antmas: dude lemme know when you get it btw
777: [04:25:03] <antmas> veb: lol only just uploaded to google play and already looking for refund policies?
778: [04:25:07] <antmas> :O
779: [04:25:10] <veb> no no
780: [04:25:14] <veb> I want to make sure it's right
781: [04:25:26] <veb> my friend put on
782: [04:25:40] <veb> https://happymoose.nz/pages/terms.html
783: [04:25:51] <veb> "Please note that we do not offer refund. "\
784: [04:25:51] <veb> which is illegal
785: [04:26:08] <antmas> oh yeah
786: [04:26:09] <antmas> it is
787: [04:26:28] <antmas> veb which courier company do they use?
788: [04:26:35] <veb> NZ Post
789: [04:26:44] <antmas> so it will be here in July?
790: [04:26:46] <veb> but yes - any websites you know of, that have a good policy?
791: [04:26:48] <veb> antmas: lol
792: [04:26:52] <veb> website says a week
793: [04:26:53] <veb> ...
794: [04:26:54] <veb> yeah I know
795: [04:27:00] <antmas> :P
796: [04:27:02] <veb> don't worry, I've got it on my list to sort that shit out
797: [04:27:15] <veb> I want to do a few experiments with gps or something
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799: [04:31:03] <spronk> rocketeer mannn
800: [04:31:44] <veb> http://www.harveynormanphotos.co.nz/refund/
801: [04:31:47] <veb> http://www.lifeprints.noelleeming.co.nz/refund/
802: [04:31:48] <veb> wow
803: [04:31:51] <veb> how similar are those
804: [04:31:52] <veb> lol
805: [04:31:57] <spronk> they're all fujifilm
806: [04:32:05] <spronk> fuji provides the site and all
807: [04:32:16] <veb> so they're getting their policy via them?
808: [04:32:19] <veb> makes sense
809: [04:32:21] <spronk> ja
810: [04:32:26] <veb> it's pretty awfully written IMO
811: [04:32:31] <spronk> yaehhh
812: [04:32:31] <spronk> lo
813: [04:32:32] <veb> does anyone else think so too?
814: [04:32:33] <spronk> ll
815: [04:32:55] <veb> http://snapfish-au.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/3205/kw/refund/brand/19
816: [04:32:58] <veb> somewhat better
817: [04:33:09] <veb> yes much better
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819: [04:33:23] <DanaeNZ> my friend who was flying rc copters around the office with skewers attached is now enjoying a cheese platter with wine
820: [04:33:25] <spronk> hmmm
821: [04:33:33] <spronk> thats pretty awesome..
822: [04:33:34] <spronk> hmm
823: [04:33:35] <DanaeNZ> that’s IT for you
824: [04:33:48] <irogue> this is definitely the downside of not being at work today
825: [04:33:49] <spronk> what provisioning systems does everyone use for their prod vms?
826: [04:33:53] <irogue> if i was, i'd have cider, cheese, crackers
827: [04:34:15] <Colin[pi]> irogue: mmm, the three C's
828: [04:34:19] <irogue> :D
829: [04:34:27] <Colin[pi]> finished by coffee?
830: [04:34:31] <Colin[pi]> make it four C's
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833: [04:39:01] <simon_w|air> Poor Tony Abbott. Still bitter that Vic doesn't want his road.
834: [04:40:25] <Colin[pi]> simon_w|air: dare I ask what he's done now?
835: [04:40:44] <simon_w|air> Colin[pi], he's still going on about it and how it's going to keep the money for it
836: [04:44:18] <simon_w|air> *he's
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844: [05:26:44] <Cheddam> fridaaaaaay
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855: [05:51:50] <irogue> ss23: did you have a good laugh at that tweet?
856: [05:52:02] <ss23> It was serious, right?
857: [05:52:04] <irogue> yup
858: [05:52:11] <irogue> but i couldn't help laughing at how long it took them
859: [05:52:15] <ss23> lol
860: [05:52:17] <ss23> yerah
861: [05:52:23] <ss23> rekon I'll find XSS in it? ;)
862: [05:52:33] * irogue logs into his ASB
863: [05:52:40] <irogue> i never go in there, only have kiwisaver with them still
864: [05:52:55] <irogue> You last changed your password at: 01:00PM, Wednesday 09 December 2009
865: [05:53:14] <ss23> dude
866: [05:53:16] <ss23> I win so much more
867: [05:53:20] <ss23> You last changed your password at:
868: [05:53:20] <ss23> 12:00PM, Friday 13 August 2004
869: [05:53:25] <irogue> hahaha
870: [05:53:32] <ss23> was the day I signed up for it
871: [05:53:33] <ss23> o/
872: [05:54:12] <irogue> I think I added two extra chars to mine cos the one they'd assigned me was 6 characters
873: [05:56:14] * masnun is now known as masnun|away
874: [05:56:34] <irogue> damn, this last hour has been superproductive for me
875: [05:56:40] <irogue> knocked off like 8 defects
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879: [06:11:25] <mike123> hey guys
880: [06:11:30] <mike123> what could be the problem
881: [06:11:51] <irogue> world hunger
882: [06:11:56] <irogue> republicans
883: [06:12:11] <mike123> when i change language to english , i get white screen
884: [06:12:12] <irogue> the end of campbell live
885: [06:12:20] <mike123> but other pages on english works perfectyl
886: [06:12:29] <mike123> prefectly
887: [06:12:55] <mike123> other languages works allso
888: [06:12:59] * masnun|away is now known as masnun
889: [06:13:11] <mike123> the problem is somewhere in home page
890: [06:13:16] <mike123> but no error's
891: [06:13:42] <irogue> white screen probably means there's an error happening, but you're in live mode so it is suppressed
892: [06:17:30] <mike123> how can i get this error
893: [06:18:03] <irogue> check your apache logs, or put it in dev mode (if it isn't in production)
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915: [08:07:39] <ss-helper> Page Controller view permission to Logged in users - http://www.silverstripe.org/community/forums/general-questions/show/101765
916: [08:07:39] <ss-helper> Re: Image crop without resize - http://www.silverstripe.org/community/forums/template-questions/show/101756#post401614
917: [08:07:39] <ss-helper> Re: Image crop without resize - http://www.silverstripe.org/community/forums/template-questions/show/101756#post401613
918: [08:07:39] <ss-helper> Re: Custom form field template - http://www.silverstripe.org/community/forums/general-questions/show/101763#post401612
919: [08:07:39] <ss-helper> Re: Secure files module - http://www.silverstripe.org/community/forums/all-other-modules/show/101762#post401611
920: [08:07:40] <ss-helper> Custom form field template - http://www.silverstripe.org/community/forums/general-questions/show/101763
921: [08:07:40] <ss-helper> Re: Themes do not work - http://www.silverstripe.org/community/forums/themes-2/show/14584#post401609
922: [08:07:41] <ss-helper> Re: Image crop without resize - http://www.silverstripe.org/community/forums/template-questions/show/101756#post401608
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924: [08:07:41] <ss-helper> Re: [solved] 3.1.12 Please explain code-line - http://www.silverstripe.org/community/forums/general-questions/show/101755#post401607
925: [08:07:42] <ss-helper> Re: MySQL and MSSQL ORM in Same Module - http://www.silverstripe.org/community/forums/data-model-questions/show/101760#post401606
926: [08:07:42] <ss-helper> Secure files module - http://www.silverstripe.org/community/forums/all-other-modules/show/101762
927: [08:07:43] <ss-helper> Re: Blank CMS Page on DataObject Creation - http://www.silverstripe.org/community/forums/customising-the-cms/show/101432#post401604
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929: [08:22:43] <ss-helper> Blog – Prestashop Module by FME - http://www.silverstripe.org/community/forums/blog-module-forum/show/101791
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931: [08:34:09] <swaiba> Morning all :)
932: [08:34:25] <swaiba> Anyone know how to get a new line in a summary field?
933: [08:34:36] <swaiba> (without just making the line so long it wraps)
934: [08:35:13] <willr> I assume <br /> and \n are escaped. Even if you return a HTMLText object?
935: [08:38:06] <swaiba> hmmm I tried them both with "Text", so I'll give HTMLText a whirl as that sounds the key
936: [08:40:55] <swaiba> willr - still stays on one line after making HTMLText and using both <br> and \r\n
937: [08:43:27] <willr> damn that would have been my first try
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939: [08:45:29] <swaiba> yeah, thanks for the help tho
940: [08:56:30] <willr> swaiba must be a way, image thumbnails are rendered into a gridfield so have a look at what makes them special
941: [08:56:56] <swaiba> yes, good call willr thanks again
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943: [09:00:59] <kinglozzer> swaiba: I've done anchors before with $dataColumns = $config->getComponentByType('GridFieldDataColumns'); $dataColumns->setFieldCasting(array('Link' => 'HTMLText->RAW'));
944: [09:01:12] <kinglozzer> Assuming you mean GridField
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947: [09:07:57] <ss-helper> Re: Blank CMS Page on DataObject Creation - http://www.silverstripe.org/community/forums/customising-the-cms/show/101432#post401604
948: [09:08:58] <swaiba> kinglozzer - I've tried it but no dice yet, I'll try and simplify the case as there is alot going in the object(s) I'm dealing with
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950: [09:13:59] * irogue throws V at Py10907k
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952: [09:14:27] <Py10907k> :D
953: [09:14:34] <Py10907k> that would be quite amazing irogue haha
954: [09:14:48] <irogue> lol
955: [09:14:48] <Py10907k> I've almost forgotten what it tastes like
956: [09:14:57] <irogue> we were just talking earlier about the V couriering incident
957: [09:15:03] <Py10907k> Although V Graphite not so much
958: [09:15:10] <Py10907k> it was my go to before I left
959: [09:15:16] <Py10907k> hehe, yeh, you did well xD
960: [09:15:32] <irogue> fuck graphite, and fuck carnival
961: [09:15:38] <Py10907k> carnival?
962: [09:15:43] <irogue> latest flavour
963: [09:15:45] <Py10907k> heh
964: [09:15:50] <irogue> its like... creaming soda with a bucket of sugar added
965: [09:15:54] <Py10907k> I did them all. Even berry, which everyone hated
966: [09:16:04] <irogue> i liked berry, but i *really* liked lemon
967: [09:16:05] <Py10907k> so basically, exactly like a carnival drink?
968: [09:16:06] <willr> creaming soda.. eh
969: [09:16:29] <irogue> Py10907k: such disgusting
970: [09:16:33] <irogue> and instant sugar headache
971: [09:16:35] <Py10907k> sounds horrible
972: [09:16:49] <Py10907k> fuck, escaping sugar these days is becoming so hard
973: [09:17:06] <Py10907k> Although I made exception yesterday when we went to GBK for my Bday
974: [09:17:13] <Py10907k> L&P motherfuckers!
975: [09:17:22] <Py10907k> free refills
976: [09:17:24] <irogue> https://d2cbl95zrwg5u1.cloudfront.net/images/products/23008784/V-Energy-Drink-Carnival-500ml-x12-17387852-7.jpeg
977: [09:17:41] <Py10907k> where 'refill' means "I'll give you another can (or four) for free"
978: [09:17:48] <irogue> lol
979: [09:17:57] <Py10907k> was mint, still got one in the fridge.
980: [09:18:04] <Py10907k> Gave the others for the rest of the team to try
981: [09:18:08] <irogue> L&P sells *way* better in summer
982: [09:18:10] <Py10907k> had a Kiwiburger
983: [09:18:11] <Py10907k> NOMS
984: [09:18:25] <Py10907k> Although they also put pineapple in it here.
985: [09:18:26] <irogue> so a couple of weeks ago they were selling off all the excess summer stock for $1 per 1.5L bottle
986: [09:18:44] <Py10907k> so it's kinda more like a general seaside fish and chip shop burger than a 'kiwiburger' specifically.
987: [09:18:56] <Py10907k> a 'Kiwi burger' rather than a 'Kiwiburger' if that makes sense
988: [09:19:07] <Py10907k> Still, basically the same, and nom nom nom
989: [09:19:48] <Py10907k> I'm all "I'll have Kiwiburger" and they're all "How would you like it cooked?" and I'm all "Hot?" and they're all "medium rare, medium, well done?"
990: [09:19:56] <Py10907k> And I'm all 'ooooohhhhhh'
991: [09:19:57] <irogue> haha
992: [09:19:57] * cloph_away is now known as cloph
993: [09:20:02] <irogue> "hot"
994: [09:20:26] <Py10907k> Well, colleague did get satay burger without satay but with siriacha instead
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997: [09:52:54] <swaiba> kinglozzer - http://www.sspaste.com/paste/show/555efbe117b88
998: [09:53:22] <swaiba> I've moved into a simple example and it's still not showing
999: [09:53:37] <swaiba> is this what you meant? (btw in vanilla modeladmin)
1000: [09:54:03] <kinglozzer> swaiba: That's the approach - I dunno if RAW will actually do what you want
1001: [09:54:08] <kinglozzer> Perhaps HTMLText->forTemplate ?
1002: [09:54:50] <swaiba> woo-hoo!
1003: [09:55:00] <swaiba> top man kinglozzer - success
1004: [09:55:04] <kinglozzer> Sweet!
1005: [09:55:49] <swaiba> FYI willr
1006: [09:56:45] <willr> Success!
1007: [09:57:47] <kinglozzer> I first saw that in the DMS module actually, you can use it to make dates pretty *without* breaking sort functionality
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1009: [09:58:08] <travis-ci> silverstripe/silverstripe-framework#4834 (3.1 - ba98c74 : Will Morgan): The build passed.
1010: [09:58:08] <travis-ci> Change view : https://github.com/silverstripe/silverstripe-framework/compare/85cff0ad8f51...ba98c74df92f
1011: [09:58:08] <travis-ci> Build details : http://travis-ci.org/silverstripe/silverstripe-framework/builds/63622929
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1013: [09:58:11] <kinglozzer> (if you specify your own function for the summary field, sorting won't work)
1014: [10:01:02] <kinglozzer> The other thing you can do is callbacks for your summary fields via ->setDisplayFields(): https://gist.github.com/kinglozzer/4e940cbb29d08e7a715b
1015: [10:01:18] <kinglozzer> So that'll sort by customer surname (as Order.Surname is the key), but display the customer's full name
1016: [10:01:49] <kinglozzer> Lots of neat stuff hidden away in GridField :P
1017: [10:05:26] <swaiba> kinglozzer - there is, TBH I was much better at 2.4 when I built everything
1018: [10:05:39] <swaiba> and for 3.1 There are many things the team has done instead
1019: [10:05:52] <swaiba> regarding "custom summary means no sorting"
1020: [10:06:12] <swaiba> I've got the sorting turned on and that works - so you mean the default_sort?
1021: [10:07:24] <kinglozzer> swaiba: If you do $summary_fields = array('MyCustomMethod' => 'Column title') you can't sort on the 'MyCustomMethod' column
1022: [10:07:59] <swaiba> ah ok, so yeah as I said, can still use sortable rows - which is ace too
1023: [10:08:11] <swaiba> I'm going to go through all the gridfield extensions now
1024: [10:08:17] * kinglozzer just did a full home page build in Chrome, booted IE8 VM and everything is pixel perfect
1025: [10:08:18] <kinglozzer> http://giant.gfycat.com/UncomfortableMildFawn.gif
1026: [10:08:32] <swaiba> I'm hoping the inline edit is as I'm thinking... like excel
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1028: [10:09:04] <swaiba> kinglozzer lol - I saw that thread of gifs yesterday :) (well about 1 millionth of it)
1029: [10:09:56] <kinglozzer> Haha yeah
1030: [10:10:16] <kinglozzer> It takes forever to load all the images in!
1031: [10:10:20] <kinglozzer> 500ish comments I think :P
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1036: [10:23:17] <ss-helper> Math operations in silverstripe - http://www.silverstripe.org/community/forums/general-questions/show/101792
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1038: [10:28:51] <willr> heh.
1039: [10:29:02] * willr has left #silverstripe
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1041: [10:38:22] <ss-helper> Re: Admin Not Navigating - http://www.silverstripe.org/community/forums/general-questions/show/101778#post401674
1042: [10:38:22] <ss-helper> Re: Math operations in silverstripe - http://www.silverstripe.org/community/forums/general-questions/show/101792#post401673
1043: [10:38:22] <ss-helper> Re: Math operations in silverstripe - http://www.silverstripe.org/community/forums/general-questions/show/101792#post401672
1044: [10:42:09] <irogue> I love the difference between your replies there Py10907k and willr
1045: [10:42:38] <willr> juxaposition.
1046: [10:43:27] <willr> I know how much I’ve drunk to write that so can only guess how much Py10907k has drunk
1047: [10:43:49] <swaiba_> There is a certain amount of poisitity in your reply willr
1048: [10:43:55] <swaiba_> *positivity
1049: [10:45:04] <willr> Haven’t been on the forum for ages. Assume it’s going along
1050: [10:45:51] <irogue> unfortunately :P
1051: [10:46:50] <willr> Don’t like being this busy. Missing out on all the fun things
1052: [10:46:57] <willr> need to invent cloning
1053: [10:56:09] <irogue> ikr
1054: [10:58:06] <Py10907k> irogue: hahaha
1055: [10:58:28] <Py10907k> it's like, "HAY GAIZ, UR TEMPLATES R SHIT COZ I CAN'T PUT ALL MY APPLICATION LOGIC IN THEM"
1056: [10:59:04] <Py10907k> no but really, I meant to write more but I'm busy as fuck
1057: [10:59:30] <Py10907k> I went back to expand when I had a breather, but willr had already done it.
1058: [10:59:39] <Py10907k> only didn't mention about separation of concerns.
1059: [10:59:45] <Py10907k> but eh
1060: [11:00:30] <willr> Had to leave something for you to write :)
1061: [11:00:40] <Py10907k> I'm back to busy now though!
1062: [11:00:45] <Py10907k> :P
1063: [11:01:19] <Py10907k> fuck, getting spammed by the company I work for (on the company email)
1064: [11:02:16] <Py10907k> wondering why the fuck an update seems to have failed.
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1066: [11:02:46] <Py10907k> it's only operations critical shit, performed on live db. NO BIGGIE
1067: [11:02:50] <Py10907k> situation: normal.
1068: [11:03:34] * irogue_ relocates bed to living room, turns on heater, climbs into sleeping bag, and prepares for a night of netflixing
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1070: [11:08:36] <Py10907k> the joys of living alone eh irogue_ ?
1071: [11:08:58] <irogue_> hell yeah
1072: [11:09:20] <willr> Crank the heater and sit naked then. Poor polar bears
1073: [11:09:20] <irogue_> i could netflix on ipad in bed, but then why'd i buy a 49" tv? :P
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1077: [11:27:18] <irogue_> holy fuck
1078: [11:27:49] <irogue_> 12 cop cars just appeared and surrounded the mall next to my house
1079: [11:29:22] <irogue_> thats a new record
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1081: [11:46:33] <swaiba_> may I ask where you are irogue_ ?
1082: [11:46:46] <swaiba_> (so I know to avoid lol)
1083: [11:49:51] <irogue> Manurewa, South Auckland. Generally one of the better parts of South Auckland, but obviously something unpleasant is currently going on here.
1084: [11:54:40] <swaiba_> yikes - I was thinking you'd say somewhere completely different
1085: [11:54:43] <swaiba_> stay safe!
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1087: [11:55:39] <irogue> haha, i'm all good. the cops are slowly starting to leave now so whatever was going down must be quietening down
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1089: [12:00:58] <irogue> apparently my macbook has gone to sleep :P
1090: [12:10:14] <swaiba_> irogue as long as it wasn't stolen :)
1091: [12:12:43] <swaiba_> Anyone know a good method of handling "holder objects"
1092: [12:12:44] <swaiba_> http://www.sspaste.com/paste/show/555f1d1e92b17
1093: [12:13:07] <swaiba_> in this example ObjectB is really only there to have many object c's
1094: [12:13:26] <swaiba_> meaning when you add one the only option is write - not the end of the world
1095: [12:13:34] <swaiba_> but would be good to skip it somehow
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1099: [12:27:49] <Py10907k> swaiba_: where were you thinking like?
1100: [12:27:59] <Py10907k> [12:54] <swaiba_> yikes - I was thinking you'd say somewhere completely different
1101: [12:28:31] <swaiba_> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/fer.jpg
1102: [12:28:41] <swaiba_> US, not NZ
1103: [12:28:49] <swaiba_> never saw a fight once when I was over there
1104: [12:29:27] <swaiba_> Py10907k any idea on the obj a / b / c - I'm sure you'll have a unique view point :)
1105: [12:32:55] <Py10907k> swaiba_: ah, ha. Nah it'll be some kind of robbery or some shit, not a fight (probably).
1106: [12:33:17] <Py10907k> we tend not to beat the shit out of each other as often as folks here seem to.
1107: [12:33:31] <Py10907k> Although that could be a population thing.
1108: [12:34:00] <swaiba_> Well I'm sure you've seen liveliness up north
1109: [12:34:33] <swaiba_> should see cardiff on a friday saturday - no point paying for a boxing match - there are on the street every half hour
1110: [12:34:57] <swaiba_> I just recall going from AUS to NZ and NZ being sooo much more relaxed and chilled
1111: [12:35:06] <swaiba_> than anywhere I'd ever been
1112: [12:35:36] <Py10907k> swaiba_: yeah, generally. That's not to say folks don't punch up, but it's not like folks go to town LOOKING to punch up.
1113: [12:35:56] <Py10907k> Especially with anyone at random.
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1115: [12:36:11] <Py10907k> as for a/b/c, why not many_many?
1116: [12:36:43] <Py10907k> I'm sure there's a reason, but brain is dead and thusly I can't be bothered figuring it out
1117: [12:39:06] <Py10907k> ease of configuration?
1118: [12:39:31] <Py10907k> some kind of abstraction that I can't see because of the object names?
1119: [12:40:06] <Py10907k> hmm nah can't be the latter, it's has_one has_one
1120: [12:40:34] <Py10907k> so why not just a m_m c?
1121: [12:42:00] <swaiba_> as for a/b/c, why not many_many?
1122: [12:42:21] <swaiba_> because I'm using the multiple class thing on gridfieldextensions
1123: [12:42:41] <swaiba_> so it's like a has_many b
1124: [12:43:07] <swaiba_> and b often has data in it, but sometimes it doesn't and it's kinda wied to just have a create button and then move to the tab
1125: [12:44:57] <Mike123> hey guys i'm having problem with printing out my records as it should be :/ http://codepaste.net/qznvyy
1126: [12:46:03] <elgabbu> UploadField.php Line 908 - 909 ... a function is being called their getThumbnailURL ... but this function doesn't seem to exist anywhere
1127: [12:46:51] <swaiba_> I see Mike123 - where is your code?
1128: [12:47:17] <swaiba_> elgabbu - is it depreciated? is it woth placing within wrapper for "hasMethod"?
1129: [12:47:36] <elgabbu> it already has hasMethoday wrapper actually
1130: [12:47:47] <swaiba_> :O
1131: [12:48:07] <swaiba_> well that clearly means it thinks it has it... dev/build/flushy?
1132: [12:49:13] <Py10907k> elgabbu: probably on Image.
1133: [12:49:43] <elgabbu> negative ... i searched the entire code base the function never shows up
1134: [12:49:49] <Py10907k> elgabbu: or post full stacktrace (well a link to a paste of it)
1135: [12:49:53] <Mike123> swaiba: here u go http://codepaste.net/t4n5bf
1136: [12:50:03] <Py10907k> elgabbu: link to the line on github?
1137: [12:51:16] <swaiba_> Mike123 - loads of noise there...
1138: [12:51:21] <Py10907k> Mike123: so yo ulike... wanna explain tha ta bit better please?
1139: [12:51:26] <swaiba_> you know what I'd do is just...
1140: [12:51:47] <swaiba_> if current "type" != next "type" new line
1141: [12:51:48] <elgabbu> https://github.com/silverstripe/silverstripe-framework/blob/3.1/forms/UploadField.php#L909
1142: [12:51:52] <Py10907k> swaiba_: I dunno man. What you've got seems complex, but nfi how to simplify it :<
1143: [12:52:13] <swaiba_> Py10907k well it's not really needed to be super slick
1144: [12:52:24] <swaiba_> it's all for internal use so a small work around is ok
1145: [12:52:29] <Py10907k> elgabbu: it's IF the file has that method
1146: [12:52:49] <Py10907k> eg, maybe you've made your own subclass and implemented that, or implemented it via extension, or something
1147: [12:53:04] <elgabbu> fair enough
1148: [12:53:19] <Mike123> i have explained it here :) I have Artist page where all my artists are displayed, but i need them to be displayed in this condition http://codepaste.net/qznvyy
1149: [12:53:30] <Py10907k> hasMethod is basically php's native method_exists, only with extension support, etc.
1150: [12:53:37] <elgabbu> just wanted to point it out maybe it some legacy code
1151: [12:54:08] <Py10907k> Dunno what the original intention of it was. You'd have to ask zauberfi1ch (or perhaps search the repo on github to see if it pops up in some older stuff)
1152: [12:54:36] <Py10907k> Mike123: no, I asked for you to explain it _better_ ;)
1153: [12:54:51] <Py10907k> I can't follow that.
1154: [12:56:54] <elgabbu> Py10907k thanks for checking :)
1155: [12:57:09] <Mike123> swaiba: how do i get next type ? and my new line is div with class..
1156: [12:58:10] <swaiba_> controller function would be the easiest Mike123 - but you get the idea right - nice and simple
1157: [13:03:23] <wmk> swaiba_, no chance to compare the current item in a loop with the item before?
1158: [13:09:00] <Py10907k> Mike123: you... didn't explain better?
1159: [13:09:11] <Py10907k> loop get top, loop get normal
1160: [13:09:13] <Py10907k> or
1161: [13:09:37] <Py10907k> loop top if mutipleof(3) </div><...
1162: [13:09:41] <Py10907k> etc
1163: [13:09:44] <Py10907k> idk, idgi
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1170: [13:31:15] <bikeydz> Hello
1171: [13:31:43] <bikeydz> I would lie to access SS_SEND_ALL_EMAILS_FROM defined in _ss_environment in my template
1172: [13:32:08] <bikeydz> does anyone know how to call it in the template
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1174: [13:33:36] <g4b0_> hi all
1175: [13:35:31] <g4b0_> is it possiblie to push an ArrayList Object to the end of the ArrayList?
1176: [13:37:46] <wmk> like $array1 + $array2 ?
1177: [13:37:58] <wmk> g4b0_, 0/
1178: [13:38:03] <g4b0_> mmm, no
1179: [13:38:16] <g4b0_> I've got a collection of objects
1180: [13:38:28] <wmk> merge?
1181: [13:38:30] <g4b0_> with a Status property
1182: [13:39:00] <g4b0_> and I want the ones with Status=2 going to the end of the arraylist
1183: [13:39:28] <g4b0_> actually I'm playing with offsetGet ans offsetSet
1184: [13:40:05] <wmk> ehem, sort() ?
1185: [13:40:12] <g4b0_> I can't
1186: [13:40:32] <g4b0_> since The arrayList is already sorted by other properties
1187: [13:40:50] <g4b0_> and Status could be 0,1,2,3,4
1188: [13:41:30] <wmk> array list of same kind of items?
1189: [13:41:34] <g4b0_> so I would like to mantain the actual sorting, but put the Status=2 at the end
1190: [13:41:55] <g4b0_> yes
1191: [13:41:57] <g4b0_> same king
1192: [13:41:59] <g4b0_> kind
1193: [13:42:12] <wmk> in Dataobject: getSortStatus() return $this->status !== 2;
1194: [13:42:19] <wmk> then sort about that casted value
1195: [13:42:51] <wmk> as it's an ArrayList we can sort on casted values...
1196: [13:43:40] <g4b0_> mmm
1197: [13:43:44] <g4b0_> let's try
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1199: [13:49:12] <g4b0_> it doesn't work...
1200: [13:49:19] <g4b0_> public function getSortStatoEC() { return $this->StatoEC !== StatoEC::OUTLET; }
1201: [13:49:30] <g4b0_> $articoli = $articoli->sort(array('SortStatoEC' => 'ASC' ,'Ordinamento' => 'ASC', 'CodiceB2B' => 'ASC'));
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1203: [13:51:10] <g4b0_> afret sorting I'm looping over the arraylist, printing StatoEC
1204: [13:51:56] <g4b0_> [...] 1-1-122222-1-1 [...]
1205: [13:52:22] <wmk> hmm, but would have been great ;)
1206: [13:52:37] <wmk> but it's an ArrayList?
1207: [13:52:42] <wmk> or DataList fresh from DB?
1208: [13:53:02] <g4b0_> ArrayList
1209: [13:55:53] <Py10907k> bikeydz: You don't.
1210: [13:56:17] <Py10907k> If you really feel you must, you must make a getter for it.
1211: [13:56:40] <Py10907k> return DEFINEDTHING;
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1213: [13:57:09] * wmk thinks about creating a rap about an arraylists that contains an array of arraylists
1214: [13:57:41] <wmk> Py10907k, refined thing?
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1216: [14:09:20] <ss-helper> Re: How to Re-install SilverStripe or Installing Multiple SilverStripe Project on WAMP - http://www.silverstripe.org/community/forums/installing-silverstripe/show/101776#post401676
1217: [14:09:20] <ss-helper> Re: How to Re-install SilverStripe or Installing Multiple SilverStripe Project on WAMP - http://www.silverstripe.org/community/forums/installing-silverstripe/show/101776#post401675
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1219: [14:13:47] <swaiba_> wmk - time has passed, but at minimum the session lol, but easily in terms of if you know the query and you know the count within it
1220: [14:14:26] <wmk> swaiba_, i'm out of context
1221: [14:14:51] <swaiba_> "no chance to compare the current item in a loop with the item before?"
1222: [14:15:01] <wmk> ah.
1223: [14:15:21] <wmk> well, rubberducking we need something else
1224: [14:15:26] <elgabbu> when using First ... for example $obj = Object::get()->First() .... to check if you actually have a result should it be if($obj) or if($obj->exists())
1225: [14:16:04] <wmk> dunno if in SS_List it's easy to get the prev or next object for comparison
1226: [14:18:23] <bikeydz> Py10907k I did it this way
1227: [14:18:33] <bikeydz> public function getFromEmail() { return Config::inst()->get('Email', 'send_all_emails_from'); }
1228: [14:19:21] <kinglozzer> elgabbu: It'll be null
1229: [14:19:24] <kinglozzer> So if($obj)
1230: [14:19:39] <elgabbu> thanks
1231: [14:19:49] <kinglozzer> $obj->MyHasOneRelation() is the exception to the rule, that will return an empty DataObject
1232: [14:20:44] <swaiba_> wmk, guess it doens't matter, I just don't like open loops (i.e. unresolved discussion points)
1233: [14:20:47] <elgabbu> gotcha thanks
1234: [14:26:18] <wmk> swaiba_, yup, thanks
1235: [14:33:58] <g4b0_> wmk: I solved in a dirty way :)
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1237: [14:34:47] <g4b0_> http://pastebin.com/D2vs4RQk
1238: [14:37:27] <wmk> you could also remove from list and push at end of list
1239: [14:37:33] <wmk> what's that offset?
1240: [14:37:37] <wmk> the "order" in the list?
1241: [14:38:01] <g4b0_> yep
1242: [14:38:06] <g4b0_> it's a SS feature
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1244: [14:39:18] <wmk> good to know
1245: [14:39:50] <g4b0_> anyway, remove/push is cleaner :)
1246: [14:39:58] <Py10907k> bikeydz: yep, that' the better way. iirc the declared value just sets the config value anyway.
1247: [14:40:08] <Py10907k> just gets set as*
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1250: [14:45:29] <bikeydz> Thanks Py10907k
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1252: [15:09:37] <ss-helper> Re: Admin Not Navigating - http://www.silverstripe.org/community/forums/general-questions/show/101778#post401678
1253: [15:09:37] <ss-helper> Calling for the “lifting of the blockade - http://www.silverstripe.org/community/forums/installing-silverstripe/show/101793
1254: [15:14:57] <bikeydz> anyone come across this Please install PHPUnit using Composer when going to /dev/tests
1255: [15:15:30] <bikeydz> it is in my composer.json and updated so phpunit in vendor by sure
1256: [15:27:32] <Py10907k> so it is installed?
1257: [15:27:45] <Py10907k> do a dev build perhaps
1258: [15:27:50] * Py10907k shrugs
1259: [15:28:02] <Py10907k> I didn't use composer, which means I had to run tests via cli manually
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1262: [15:54:49] <ss-helper> Re: Secure files module - http://www.silverstripe.org/community/forums/all-other-modules/show/101762#post401611
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1266: [16:17:47] <Py10907k> dat long weekend
1267: [16:17:47] <Py10907k> gg
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1269: [16:46:57] <swaiba_> happy three day weekend for those that have it
1270: [16:46:59] <swaiba_> bye for now
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1294: [19:37:43] <ss-helper> SilverStripe: Rendering a userforms page type in a template loop - http://stackoverflow.com/questions/30404467/silverstripe-rendering-a-userforms-page-type-in-a-template-loop
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1296: [19:55:56] <ss-helper> Re: Admin Not Navigating - http://www.silverstripe.org/community/forums/general-questions/show/101778#post401679
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1311: [21:49:22] <Parker_> Hi All. Just looking for a little bit of help. Is it possible to create a custom function on a data object for when it's data is used in a template?
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1314: [21:53:58] <muskie9> Parker_ should be able to... what are you trying to do
1315: [21:55:22] <Parker_> Actually, scrap that. Think I just sorted it myself (sods law, been trying all day to sort that ><)
1316: [21:55:35] <veb> lol
1317: [21:55:38] <veb> I love that
1318: [21:55:39] <muskie9> that happens lol
1319: [21:55:49] <Parker_> thanks any way :)
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1321: [22:00:35] <muskie9> weekend went from 3 days to probably 1 in an afternoon.... love rush projects
1322: [22:00:56] <veb> I'M COLD.
1323: [22:01:02] <veb> statement been delivered
1324: [22:01:33] <irogue> it is rather cold
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1326: [22:04:45] <veb> I am wearing angry bird slippers, that means cold
1327: [22:05:04] <veb> oh fuck off metservice, it's not just 10c
1328: [22:07:34] <irogue> I want to go get breakfast but its raining
1329: [22:08:12] <irogue> and the shops are 2min walk from my house so driving there always feels like cheating
1330: [22:11:33] <ss-helper> DataObject Versioning CMS only showing Published records not drafts - http://www.silverstripe.org/community/forums/customising-the-cms/show/101794
1331: [22:11:34] <veb> irogue: speak of the devil
1332: [22:11:37] <veb> just started raining
1333: [22:11:38] <veb> o_O
1334: [22:11:43] <veb> where you live?
1335: [22:12:31] <itctrl> hello everyone here :-)
1336: [22:12:40] <muskie9> o/
1337: [22:14:00] <irogue> veb: manurewa
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1339: [22:26:56] <irogue> rain has now eased. am going to risk it in the name of pie.
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1342: [22:56:55] <irogue> ah shit, i'd forgotten the most dangerous part of going outside in manurewa in the weekend
1343: [22:57:49] <irogue> the most evil gang in south auckland, in their hi-vis green
1344: [22:58:37] <veb> what's south auckland
1345: [22:59:30] <irogue> veb: the southern part of auckland :P
1346: [23:02:43] <irogue> had the fun of being pinned down while I had explained to me that I have witchcraft in my life and am going to hell
1347: [23:04:54] <veb> isn't Auckland a fictional city from LOTR
1348: [23:05:14] <veb> no sorry, that was Dunedin. :P http://lotr.wikia.com/wiki/D%C3%BAnedain
1349: [23:11:47] <veb> ha. https://www.dropbox.com/s/1bueimnxah376rr/Screenshot%202015-05-23%2011.11.42.png?dl=0
1350: [23:15:17] <irogue> http://www.stuff.co.nz/waikato-times/news/68795586/Man-critically-injured-after-crash-in-Cambridge
1351: [23:15:30] <irogue> "An object has entered the vehicle and injured the driver."
1352: [23:15:44] <irogue> that's quite an understatement - a metal pole went through his chest

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