#silverstripe IRC Log

IRC log for 21 May 2015

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1: [00:08:32] <DanaeNZ> ugh how to use search filters again?
2: [00:08:34] <DanaeNZ> $passes = Pass::get()->filter(array('Countries:GreaterThan' => 1));
3: [00:08:42] <DanaeNZ> i always get this wrong
4: [00:08:47] <DanaeNZ> this is a many_many relation btw
5: [00:09:15] <ss23> Hmm
6: [00:09:20] <ss23> Isn't it like
7: [00:09:24] <ss23> $this->passes->get()?
8: [00:09:41] <DanaeNZ> ah I should clarify
9: [00:09:53] <DanaeNZ> I’m trying to get Passes where the Countries count is greater than 1
10: [00:09:58] <ss23> oh
11: [00:10:01] <ss23> I dunno why I thought otherwise
12: [00:10:05] <ss23> Yeah, something like that should work
13: [00:10:29] <DanaeNZ> it’s just giving me a setValue error; error must be coming from soemthing else then
14: [00:10:31] <adrexia> so countries is an int?
15: [00:10:47] <ss23> Oh yeah, good point
16: [00:10:49] <DanaeNZ> nay, tis a many_many relation
17: [00:11:02] <DanaeNZ> I’m pretty sure SS just knows what to do in this instance
18: [00:12:38] <adrexia> I think GreaterThan is an int check
19: [00:12:39] <simon_w|air> DanaeNZ, you can't
20: [00:12:50] <DanaeNZ> simon_w|air: dannngg
21: [00:12:59] <adrexia> ie.e its checking if the valuie is greater than 1
22: [00:13:21] <DanaeNZ> ah well, was worth a shot
23: [00:13:30] <DanaeNZ> guess I have to do something a little more complicated
24: [00:13:35] <ss23> I mean, you could do it in raw SQL, right?
25: [00:13:50] <DanaeNZ> yeah absolutely, but I’d rather use ORM
26: [00:14:10] <adrexia> could you, instead do...
27: [00:14:14] <DanaeNZ> at least, I’ve heard it’s better to use the ORM
28: [00:14:16] <adrexia> oh wait, no nevermind
29: [00:14:32] <DanaeNZ> adrexia: you got my hopes up man
30: [00:14:49] <adrexia> I was thinking, get the countries and filter by Pass ID
31: [00:15:02] <adrexia> then count them
32: [00:15:17] <adrexia> but umm... pass is all passes, rigth
33: [00:15:47] <DanaeNZ> yeaap
34: [00:16:38] <adrexia> yeah the ORM isn't so good when it comes to things that involve multiple tables
35: [00:17:24] <adrexia> you tend to have to either use loops and logic or go lower level
36: [00:17:39] <DanaeNZ> well the raw query is “SELECT CountryID, PassAsiaID, count(*) as occurences FROM `Country_Passes` GROUP BY PassAsiaID HAVING COUNT(*) > 1”
37: [00:17:57] <DanaeNZ> soemthing like that will give a list of the pass IDs
38: [00:18:03] <DanaeNZ> *shrug*
39: [00:18:07] * adrexia nods
40: [00:20:17] <ss-helper> Where does the value of $Form come from, when using a standard SilverStripe template? - http://stackoverflow.com/questions/30362394/where-does-the-value-of-form-come-from-when-using-a-standard-silverstripe-temp
41: [00:21:44] * Ryan-Toast quit (Quit: Ryan-Toast)
42: [00:22:23] <spronk2> man the filter syntax is horribl
43: [00:22:34] <spronk2> MAGIC STRINGS BITCHES
44: [00:22:53] <ss23> Yeah... I'm not a big fan of it
45: [00:22:59] <ss23> cause you know there's dodgy string parsing going on
46: [00:23:48] <adrexia> meh
47: [00:23:56] <adrexia> it's better than not having one
48: [00:24:45] * DanaeNZ punches the air
49: [00:24:49] <DanaeNZ> yay it’s working
50: [00:25:00] <DanaeNZ> now to actually test it lol
51: [00:25:09] <Colin[pi]> DanaeNZ: leave that air alone, what did it ever do to you?
52: [00:25:17] <DanaeNZ> Colin[pi]: it made me cold
53: [00:25:25] <Colin[pi]> what??? that cock
54: [00:25:36] <DanaeNZ> Colin[pi]: EXACTLY
55: [00:25:57] * UncleCheese has joined #silverstripe
56: [00:26:17] <spronk2> ss should just ditch the orm
57: [00:26:23] <spronk2> and use doctrine. or eloquent. or something else.
58: [00:27:51] <ss23> not much advantage, spronk2
59: [00:27:55] <ss23> lotso f work to make it happen
60: [00:28:20] <spronk2> weren't there already discussions about changing the orm for 4 or something?
61: [00:28:22] <spronk2> like
62: [00:28:26] <spronk2> doing more work on the exisitng one
63: [00:28:29] <spronk2> or was that 3.1..
64: [00:28:30] <spronk2> or 2..
65: [00:28:32] * spronk2 has no idea anymore
66: [00:28:37] <ss23> idk, I'd just... not change existing one?
67: [00:28:45] <spronk2> it's technical debt
68: [00:29:06] <adrexia> all code is technical debt
69: [00:29:08] <adrexia> :P
70: [00:29:19] <ss23> trudat
71: [00:29:30] <adrexia> The ORM works just fine in 90% of cases
72: [00:29:53] <adrexia> and yeah - they did a lot to it between 2.4 and 3.0
73: [00:30:20] <irogue> the ORM has been rewritten to use PDO, not sure which release that'll go in. but ultimately it's the same ORM just different backend
74: [00:30:35] <ss23> Thought Damian did that already?
75: [00:30:40] * adrexia nods
76: [00:30:44] <irogue> yes, hence "has been"
77: [00:30:49] <ss23> ah yep
78: [00:31:28] <spronk2> le sigh
79: [00:31:50] <spronk2> pretty sure there were a bunch of us in here chirping that mysqli was a bad idea ages back...
80: [00:31:50] <spronk2> :P
81: [00:32:35] <adrexia> but spronk2 there are always a bunch of people here that think that _any_ idea is a bad idea
82: [00:32:45] <ss23> adrexia: That doesn't make us wrong
83: [00:32:46] <ss23> :3
84: [00:32:48] <simon_w|air> That's going into 3.2
85: [00:32:49] <adrexia> lol
86: [00:33:03] <ss23> It may just mean people suck at making ideas that aren't shit
87: [00:33:07] <spronk2> when it's genius like ss23, of course it's not wrong
88: [00:33:09] <adrexia> no, but you literally can not interpret this chanel as the one truth
89: [00:33:16] <adrexia> because it argues with itself
90: [00:33:30] <ss23> spronk2: DAMN RIGHT :D
91: [00:33:33] <adrexia> lols
92: [00:33:39] <spronk2> high five.
93: [00:33:53] <spronk2> hmm
94: [00:33:54] * ss23 highfives spronk2
95: [00:33:55] <ss23> BAM
96: [00:33:57] <spronk2> why the fuck am i spronk2
97: [00:34:09] <ss23> The second in the spronk series
98: [00:34:10] <adrexia> ss23, are you connected as spronk2?
99: [00:34:12] <adrexia> :P
100: [00:34:15] <ss23> Um
101: [00:34:18] <simon_w|air> So you can argue with spronk?
102: [00:34:18] <ss23> I hope not
103: [00:34:35] * spronk2 is now known as spronkey
104: [00:35:34] * spronkey is now known as spronk
105: [00:35:37] <spronk> there we go
106: [00:37:30] <antmas> spronk: thanks for satisfying my ocd
107: [00:37:35] <spronk> lol :D
108: [00:37:56] <antmas> lol at quenched dropping it's site already
109: [00:38:20] <antmas> that was quicker than wheedle :D
110: [00:38:50] <spronk> hahahahh wheedle
111: [00:39:00] <spronk> i forgot about that
112: [00:39:28] <antmas> no matter how many shit sites you might make, you can still rest assured that wheedle existed
113: [00:39:59] <simon_w|air> With 20 servers!
114: [00:40:48] <irogue> https://privacy.org.nz/news-and-publications/statements-media-releases/privacy-commissioner-welcomes-25000-damages-ruling-against-orcon/
115: [00:40:55] <irogue> <3 Privacy Commissioner
116: [00:41:49] <antmas> irogue: lol yeah they got pwnd
117: [00:43:08] <antmas> didn't wheedle even have tv ads?
118: [00:43:28] <irogue> yup
119: [00:43:38] <Colin[pi]> what was wheedle?
120: [00:43:50] <spronk> trademe wannabe
121: [00:43:51] <antmas> Colin[pi]: competitor to trademe
122: [00:43:56] <antmas> 'competitor'
123: [00:43:57] <spronk> built by sri lankan noobs
124: [00:44:12] <antmas> failed after 1 day, then relaunched only to fail again lol
125: [00:44:47] <antmas> I remember being able to login and adjust reserve prices on any auction, and make false bids
126: [00:44:57] <Colin[pi]> lol
127: [00:44:58] <irogue> they spent a fuckton on advertising, servers etc. and cheaped the fuck out on development
128: [00:44:59] <Colin[pi]> oh dear
129: [00:45:00] <antmas> was pretty funny
130: [00:45:15] <Colin[pi]> yeah you get what you pay for
131: [00:45:19] <antmas> 10-12m wasn't it irogue ?
132: [00:46:04] <spronk> something absurd
133: [00:46:23] * AndrewL has joined #silverstripe
134: [00:46:31] <spronk> skimped on software dev
135: [00:46:32] <spronk> lulz
136: [00:46:50] <spronk> if you're a software business
137: [00:46:56] <spronk> employ good developrs.
138: [00:47:10] <antmas> what was it built with?
139: [00:47:16] <Colin[pi]> antmas: curry
140: [00:47:22] <spronk> hahahahaha
141: [00:47:24] <antmas> Colin[pi]: WOAH lol
142: [00:47:26] <AndrewL> Is anyone able to help with some .htaccess issues I am having?
143: [00:47:48] <antmas> Colin[pi]: dude lol
144: [00:47:52] <antmas> hahahaha
145: [00:48:05] <spronk> AndrewL shoot
146: [00:48:28] * DanaeNZ recommends http://htaccess.madewithlove.be/
147: [00:48:37] <spronk> ooo, yes
148: [00:48:54] <AndrewL> with my website I am finding that this link http://learningstaircase.co.nz/steps/ keeps getting forwarded to http://learningstaircase.co.nz/blog/steps/ and I have no idea why
149: [00:49:20] <AndrewL> it seems to find another location with that ending and loads it.
150: [00:49:41] <spronk> ss will do that to ya
151: [00:49:47] <AndrewL> I tried to put this in the directory command "RewriteRule ^learningstaircase\.co\.nz/steps/($|/) - [L]"
152: [00:51:08] <AndrewL> How can force it to actually just load that directory.
153: [00:51:28] <spronk> so you want that particular thing to not be processed by ss?
154: [00:51:47] <AndrewL> Yeah I want it to bypass ss completely.
155: [00:52:02] <spronk> maybe try adding a RewriteCond
156: [00:53:21] <AndrewL> this is what I have so far http://pastebin.com/QJ9SEAfh
157: [00:53:27] <spronk> or change that rewriterule above to be e.g. RewriteRule ^steps - [L]
158: [00:53:39] <spronk> unless it has to match only that specific domain
159: [00:53:50] <spronk> and make sure its above the rest of the rules
160: [00:54:20] <AndrewL> I was concerned if did "RewriteRule ^steps - [L]" it would kill http://learningstaircase.co.nz/blog/steps/
161: [00:54:28] <spronk> ^ matches start only
162: [00:54:42] <spronk> so you should be ok
163: [00:55:05] <AndrewL> what does ($|/) do?
164: [00:55:06] <spronk> if you're gonna do this it's also worth putting some sort of hook in your ss install to stop someone creating the /steps/ url
165: [00:55:24] <spronk> matches end of str or slash
166: [00:57:19] <AndrewL> Seems to still be doing it. just put the change in.
167: [00:57:28] * antmas quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
168: [00:59:16] <Colin[pi]> what's the easiest way to fix asset uploads not working via open_basedir restriction?
169: [00:59:34] <simon_w|air> Change host
170: [00:59:37] <Colin[pi]> lol
171: [00:59:42] <Colin[pi]> and... option number 2?
172: [00:59:50] <spronk> change host
173: [00:59:55] <simon_w|air> Root the box and turn open_basedir off
174: [00:59:55] <Colin[pi]> :C
175: [01:00:04] <spronk> open_basedir is a fucking pita
176: [01:00:08] <Colin[pi]> it is yes
177: [01:00:10] <spronk> as is that one that rejects "bad" URLs
178: [01:00:20] <spronk> cant remember the name of it now
179: [01:00:20] <spronk> mod_security
180: [01:00:22] <spronk> or some shit
181: [01:00:29] <Colin[pi]> spronk: it prevents the site from accessing files outside of the docroot
182: [01:00:36] <spronk> yeah i know
183: [01:00:41] <spronk> PITA
184: [01:00:50] <Colin[pi]> oic you said "as is that one" soz
185: [01:01:17] <DanaeNZ> oh man it feels so good working in PHP after a week or so of exclusively frontend
186: [01:01:22] <Colin[pi]> doesn't SS fall back to a docroot based tmp folder if it cant access /tmp ?
187: [01:01:25] <simon_w|air> Colin[pi], if your host has it enabled and it doesn't include the upload dir, you should have serious questions about their competency
188: [01:01:55] <Colin[pi]> simon_w|air: I can see they have the vhost and /tmp in there
189: [01:02:11] <Colin[pi]> that should work for ss uploads shouldn't it?
190: [01:02:21] * Stomach quit (Quit: zzz)
191: [01:02:34] <AndrewL> spronk here is the updated htaccess http://pastebin.com/bAvXmZeT still won't seem to work.
192: [01:02:46] * antmas has joined #silverstripe
193: [01:03:07] <simon_w|air> Colin[pi], depends. What's upload_tmp_dir set to?
194: [01:03:28] <Colin[pi]> lemme check
195: [01:03:34] <spronk> AndrewL add RewriteCond ${REQUEST_URI} !^/steps/.* and RewriteCond ${REQUEST_URI} !^/steps$ below the xcache rule
196: [01:03:46] <spronk> and remove the existing steps rules
197: [01:03:59] <Colin[pi]> simon_w|air: /tmp
198: [01:05:33] <spronk> god i hate mod_rewrite
199: [01:05:38] <simon_w|air> Colin[pi], interesting. And what's the actual error?
200: [01:05:44] * Stomach has joined #silverstripe
201: [01:06:03] <simon_w|air> spronk, after switching to nginx's locations, I wonder how I ever managed to use it
202: [01:06:07] <spronk> ikr
203: [01:06:12] <Colin[pi]> simon_w|air: client receives "file is not a valid upload" error, about to dig further
204: [01:06:14] <AndrewL> Just updated it, but it still doing it, is there some sort of cache that could be affecting it?
205: [01:06:25] <spronk> are you updating this on a live site?
206: [01:06:29] <spronk> because maybe reload apache
207: [01:07:10] <AndrewL> I am doing these in my Virtual hosts using directory, not actually a .htaccess
208: [01:07:20] <spronk> ah
209: [01:07:20] <spronk> yeah
210: [01:07:23] <spronk> def reload conf then
211: [01:07:29] <AndrewL> Yeah I am restarting the apache each time.
212: [01:07:50] <spronk> hmm
213: [01:08:52] <spronk> weird then. should stop matching because the cond fails..
214: [01:08:57] <spronk> paste latest?
215: [01:10:41] <AndrewL> This is the whole virtual host config for this domain http://pastebin.com/z27raFJM
216: [01:12:04] <simon_w|air> AndrewL, no leading /
217: [01:12:31] <AndrewL> Where abouts?
218: [01:14:00] <antmas> those colors look familiar ... http://www.stuff.co.nz/nelson-mail/news/68708756/Nelsons-take-on-the-NZ-flag-debate
219: [01:14:41] <simon_w|air> AndrewL, RewriteConds. Should just be ^steps
220: [01:14:53] <AndrewL> Where is the / missing from?
221: [01:14:58] <simon_w|air> (Entirely depending on your specific version of REQUEST_URI)
222: [01:15:09] <simon_w|air> (Entirely depending on your specific version of Apache)
223: [01:15:16] <simon_w|air> AndrewL, you don't tend to want the leading /
224: [01:15:20] <spronk> ugh
225: [01:15:39] <AndrewL> Apache/2.4.12
226: [01:15:54] <adrexia> "The 12-strong Flag Consideration Panel outnumbered those in attendance."
227: [01:15:55] <adrexia> lols
228: [01:16:09] <spronk> loool
229: [01:16:46] <antmas> 'Flag Consideration Panel'
230: [01:17:08] <antmas> just sounds so stupid
231: [01:17:30] <AndrewL> RewriteCond ${REQUEST_URI} !^steps/.* RewriteCond ${REQUEST_URI} !^steps$
232: [01:18:04] <adrexia> $27.5 million for a new piece of coloured cloth
233: [01:18:26] <simon_w|air> adrexia, and an updated emoji
234: [01:18:31] <antmas> lol
235: [01:18:33] <simon_w|air> That's the important bit :p
236: [01:19:12] <adrexia> oh?
237: [01:19:14] <antmas> they should just keep the current one, but make it black/white
238: [01:19:21] <simon_w|air> adrexia, there's flag emoji
239: [01:19:25] <adrexia> we'd probably save money if it were just blank
240: [01:19:39] <antmas> adrexia: white and black would save on printer costs :P
241: [01:19:40] <irogue> I don't like the current flag (mostly cos Australia) but cannot stand the fact they're changing it in basically the most expensive way possible
242: [01:19:42] <antmas> but so would blank :P
243: [01:19:45] <adrexia> <antmas> they should just keep the current one, but make it black/white
244: [01:19:51] <adrexia> I wass with you in the first half
245: [01:19:53] <adrexia> ;)
246: [01:19:58] <antmas> :P
247: [01:20:01] <spronk> the only symbol that should be on an updated flag is the kiwi.
248: [01:20:02] <adrexia> <irogue> I don't like the current flag (mostly cos Australia) but cannot stand the fact they're changing it in basically the most expensive way possible
249: [01:20:03] <simon_w|air> 🇳🇿
250: [01:20:04] <adrexia> yeah, that
251: [01:20:05] <spronk> anything else is wrong.
252: [01:20:17] <antmas> spronk: I reckon a tuatara is cooler
253: [01:20:28] <spronk> tuatara looks like other lizard
254: [01:20:34] <simon_w|air> irogue, adrexia, also Australia copied. The jerks.
255: [01:20:34] <spronk> kiwi looks like nothing else on this world
256: [01:20:50] <adrexia> The flag basically means nothing to me
257: [01:21:01] <spronk> also
258: [01:21:02] <adrexia> so it's super weird that we're spending so much on it
259: [01:21:05] <spronk> the kiwi we should use, specifically, is this one: http://www.buynz.org.nz/images/artworkthumbnails/Buy-NZ-Made-Logo-Secondary.png
260: [01:21:36] <irogue> doing two steps of referendum, doing the two steps the WRONG WAY AROUND, doing the referendum independantly of an existing election
261: [01:21:39] <antmas> why does it have to represent nz so obviously though?
262: [01:21:40] <simon_w|air> I'm tempted to go with the silver fern just so the ABs lose the trademark
263: [01:21:42] <irogue> it's all so horridly managed
264: [01:21:44] <antmas> its not like the current one does
265: [01:21:52] <spronk> haha simon_w|air
266: [01:22:15] <irogue> it honestly feels like they've gone "how can we do this as expensively as possible, so we don't have to spend any money on shit that matters?"
267: [01:22:15] <spronk> imo the only logical reaosn why we would change our flag is to present a "brand" for nz
268: [01:22:26] <spronk> welcome to govt, irogue
269: [01:22:29] <adrexia> irogue, yep. just adding the question 'do you want to change the flag' to the first referendum could save a lotr of money
270: [01:22:34] <irogue> exactly
271: [01:22:48] <irogue> and doing it alongside existing elections
272: [01:22:54] <spronk> mm
273: [01:22:57] <irogue> even if just local body elections or something
274: [01:23:03] <spronk> man
275: [01:23:06] <antmas> don't do it around elections
276: [01:23:11] <antmas> why would you?
277: [01:23:14] <spronk> we would be much better at running the country than the clowns that do, right gaise?
278: [01:23:22] <irogue> antmas: because then it's far cheaper
279: [01:23:29] <adrexia> antmas - it might get more people voting in national elections ;)
280: [01:23:31] <spronk> i mean
281: [01:23:36] <spronk> our pm is called Jonky
282: [01:23:50] <spronk> if that's not the name of some cheap jester...
283: [01:23:51] <adrexia> don't care about the governemnt, but hey , there's that flag thing too
284: [01:23:55] <antmas> irogue: yeah but its just more crap to wade through (see other things to distract form important election matters)
285: [01:24:13] <irogue> antmas: better than spending gazillions on something most people dont give a shit about tho
286: [01:24:13] <antmas> from*
287: [01:24:20] <spronk> how about next election
288: [01:24:24] <irogue> and tbh if it was alongside local body elections, noone cares about them anyway :P
289: [01:24:25] <spronk> each political party proposes their best option for a flag
290: [01:24:32] <spronk> and instead of having elections, we vote on the best flag
291: [01:24:37] <simon_w|air> antmas, also, gotta get the ballot paper as large as Australia's somehow :p
292: [01:24:39] <adrexia> antmas - half the issue right now is that people don't seem to think elections *are* important
293: [01:24:41] <spronk> and assign seats that way
294: [01:24:43] <antmas> they do spend money on shit most people don't care about often anyway
295: [01:25:13] <irogue> so because the govt does stupid things, we shouldnt criticise govt for doing stupid things?
296: [01:25:24] <antmas> lol not what I meant
297: [01:25:35] <AndrewL> Thanks for all the help, I have managed to get it going.
298: [01:25:47] * babak quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)
299: [01:25:56] <spronk> what was your final soln AndrewL ?
300: [01:26:15] <AndrewL> RewriteCond %{REQUEST_URI} ^steps/.* RewriteCond %{REQUEST_URI} ^steps$ RewriteRule ^(.*)$ http://dl.steps-software.com/$1 [R=301,L]
301: [01:26:35] <spronk> interesting
302: [01:26:38] <AndrewL> the $ vs the % was the problem, then I just had to put in a redirect to our other server.
303: [01:27:10] <adrexia> bread and circuses
304: [01:27:27] <AndrewL> there was a .htaccess in there that did the redirect, but just combined the solutions.
305: [01:28:07] <adrexia> lol. php meetup "June Meetup - The front-end revolution from a back-end developers perspective"
306: [01:28:25] <antmas> adrexia: oh jesus
307: [01:28:39] <irogue> funding for every rape crisis centre and suicide prevention hotline in the country has been massively cut by the govt because "no money", but the amount being spent on flag referenda is more than all of those cuts
308: [01:28:40] * adrexia clicks the rsvp button
309: [01:29:00] <adrexia> I seem to only go to the ones with controversial topics ;)
310: [01:29:07] <antmas> :P
311: [01:29:11] <AndrewL> for some reason the plain /steps/ doesn't work still but I am more worried about the /steps/filename.extension is getting redirected which is the main concern.
312: [01:29:31] <irogue> adrexia: I just wish they'd used "back-enders" instead of "back-end developers"
313: [01:29:36] <irogue> would've been great innuendo then
314: [01:29:36] <adrexia> irogue - but that's okay, John Key doesn't use those services
315: [01:29:51] <adrexia> irogue, lols
316: [01:29:56] <spronk> AndrewL possibly try ($|/) on the second cond to fix that
317: [01:30:00] <spronk> instead of just $
318: [01:30:15] <antmas> irogue: didnt rape crisis center get given like 20m over 2 years last year?
319: [01:30:31] <adrexia> the chch was closed wasn't it?
320: [01:30:37] <adrexia> *one was
321: [01:31:06] <adrexia> chch - already one of the most dangerous places yo be out alone at night
322: [01:31:27] <simon_w|air> irogue, the ABC here got cut because "no money". The tax cuts given to News Corp were increased by more than the cuts.
323: [01:31:30] <antmas> yeah this thing http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11246879
324: [01:31:39] <ss23> Fuck Newscorp
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326: [01:31:53] <irogue> antmas: yeah it was announced but apparently the money never actually arrived
327: [01:32:05] <antmas> irogue: according to who?
328: [01:33:47] <antmas> I can't find (suck at searching) about anything from them not receiving it
329: [01:34:06] <antmas> I'm sure that'd be pretty big news (and suck) if they didn't get it :(
330: [01:34:07] <adrexia> antmas - but that article is reporting on talk not fact
331: [01:34:28] <adrexia> (i.e its saying the government plans to, not the government has )
332: [01:34:28] <antmas> adrexia: where are the facts about the funding though?
333: [01:34:32] <irogue> yeah "over the next two years" basically means "in 2 years time"
334: [01:34:40] <irogue> in govt-speak
335: [01:34:41] <antmas> that's talk too
336: [01:34:50] <irogue> antmas: chch's centre closed 3 months after that announcement cos govt declined their request for $30k
337: [01:34:51] * antmas looks deeper
338: [01:34:57] <adrexia> antmas - it wouldn't be news at all
339: [01:35:23] <adrexia> it's anti-news
340: [01:35:27] <antmas> adrexia: there was lots of articles about them being at breaking point, but not alot after july 2014
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342: [01:35:50] <spronk> part of me thinks it would be better to put some money into trying to prevent rape than boosting crisis centres..
343: [01:36:01] <antmas> spronk: +1
344: [01:36:06] <simon_w|air> Pity funding for that's also being cut
345: [01:36:13] <spronk> yeah
346: [01:36:20] <antmas> adrexia: seriously, it's like it's been supressed lol
347: [01:36:22] <antmas> spelling*
348: [01:36:25] <spronk> all the while Chorus and Enable laugh all the way to the bank while overbuilding Vodafone's HFC network
349: [01:36:54] <spronk> and Rod Drury and friends have fun talking about flags
350: [01:38:11] <adrexia> <spronk> part of me thinks it would be better to put some money into trying to prevent rape than boosting crisis centres..
351: [01:38:33] <adrexia> what do you do though? Just make sure people get told "don't rape"?
352: [01:38:37] <irogue> looks like the chch one did definitely close down, but their Women's Refuge has started handling rape crisis stuff to fill the gap, which is good
353: [01:38:42] <adrexia> I agree, don't get me wrong
354: [01:38:54] <adrexia> but it involves a rather large cultural shift
355: [01:39:23] <irogue> ugh, thats like when the Police put out information on how to stay safe (avoid dodgy parks, alleys etc) and people go HOW DARE THE POLICE DO THIS, MEN JUST SHOULDN'T RAPE
356: [01:39:28] <antmas> irogue: mm yeah and the male one is still going
357: [01:39:40] <adrexia> ...people shouldn't rape
358: [01:39:51] <spronk> stuff like more beat cops
359: [01:39:58] <adrexia> but yeah - lights indark places make a difference.
360: [01:40:07] <adrexia> but still, most rape isn't stranger rape
361: [01:40:08] <spronk> working out protected walkways
362: [01:40:15] <irogue> well, duh, but until that ideal world of noone raping happens it's still better to do some prevention, not just ignore it
363: [01:40:17] <antmas> adrexia: mm, they finally put some up nile street last yeah in Nelson :P
364: [01:40:31] <antmas> year*
365: [01:40:47] <adrexia> irogue - saying stuff like that has social consequencews though
366: [01:40:49] <antmas> irogue: what was the one that closed down? there are multiple it seems
367: [01:41:03] <irogue> antmas: SafeCare. was the only one
368: [01:41:10] <Colin[pi]> so I just come back to the computer and see what you lot are talking about http://i.imgur.com/l2LgLyP.jpg
369: [01:41:15] <adrexia> it means the first questions rape survivors are told ends up being "well you should have known not to be there at night"
370: [01:41:22] <adrexia> *first thing
371: [01:41:23] <antmas> irogue: only one for what? there are other ones
372: [01:41:28] <irogue> antmas: there are *now*
373: [01:41:35] <antmas> oh
374: [01:41:40] <adrexia> antmas> adrexia: mm, they finally put some up nile street last yeah in Nelson :P
375: [01:41:47] <adrexia> that took a rather long time
376: [01:42:04] <irogue> antmas: none of the other agencies could afford to fill SafeCare's gap by themselves, so they're sharing the duties
377: [01:42:32] <adrexia> ...that's fucking sad
378: [01:42:40] * spronk would like to know stats on how many rapes are committed under the influence of alcohol vs not
379: [01:42:51] <irogue> there were two Women's Refuges in Hamilton, one's closed down recently due to no funding
380: [01:42:56] <adrexia> well, there was that thing with the kids
381: [01:43:00] <Colin[pi]> irogue: that's sad
382: [01:43:07] <irogue> so now only the Iwi-funded "Maori Women's Refuge" still exists
383: [01:43:19] <adrexia> which came down to young men not seeing young women as people
384: [01:43:24] <antmas> irogue: there is a men's one in Nelson (by the bottle store oddly enough) that got extra funding last year
385: [01:43:30] <spronk> adrexia ?
386: [01:43:38] <adrexia> Roast busters
387: [01:43:40] <irogue> luckily, despite their name and funding, the Maori Women's Refuge aren't racist
388: [01:43:50] <spronk> wasn't tha tjust a bunch of dicks being dicks?
389: [01:44:08] <irogue> antmas: yeah the men's one in hamilton also got a new building
390: [01:44:15] <spronk> also, here's a great tip: get rid of single sex high schools
391: [01:44:23] <antmas> spronk: +10
392: [01:44:35] <irogue> would take a lot of research to find evidence of it, but kinda wonder if there is some sexism in the funding of refuges
393: [01:44:36] <adrexia> spronk get rid of boy's schools, sure
394: [01:44:41] <spronk> hah
395: [01:44:44] <spronk> the girls schools are just as bad
396: [01:44:45] <antmas> <adrexia> which came down to young men not seeing young women as people
397: [01:44:50] <antmas> *those* young men ;)
398: [01:44:52] <adrexia> yeah, I disagree
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400: [01:45:04] <irogue> oh god, Hamilton Girls' High
401: [01:45:13] <irogue> highest bullying and physical assault rate in Hamilton!
402: [01:45:15] <spronk> but seriously, having gone to both single sex and coed, there's a *massive* difference
403: [01:45:16] <antmas> mm Nelson's had a bad last 2 years :(
404: [01:45:29] <ss23> girls are brutal to each other
405: [01:45:30] <ss23> :O
406: [01:45:33] <spronk> single sex: sexual tension redefined
407: [01:45:42] <irogue> there was one term where 3 girls stabbed other girls at HGHS
408: [01:45:43] <spronk> coed: mostly peaceful coexistence
409: [01:45:52] <adrexia> having known people who went to boys schools vs co-ed there's a huge difference, yeah
410: [01:45:56] <irogue> all seperate incidents
411: [01:45:57] <antmas> irogue: :O there was a stabbing in Nelson girls too
412: [01:46:18] <adrexia> co-ed guys are more aware than women aren't so very difefrent from themselves
413: [01:46:30] <spronk> soo much more aware.
414: [01:46:35] <irogue> can't remember a single physical assault while I was at HBHS
415: [01:46:56] <adrexia> ss23 - oh, yeah, they are. But I think girls schools have a positive effect on focus
416: [01:46:59] <spronk> a lot of the violence and shit is down to the individual schools
417: [01:47:06] <spronk> adrexia i disagree
418: [01:47:07] <irogue> there were a few emotional ones, like the guy who got mocked so hard he had to move schools, cos he'd been caught fapping
419: [01:47:28] <antmas> irogue: I feel bad for chuckling for a second :|
420: [01:47:32] <adrexia> it means the social status of teenage girls is more likely to be from academic things rather than the boys you date
421: [01:47:43] <spronk> any positive effect in the classroom is cancelled out and then some by the negative aspects
422: [01:47:52] <adrexia> what negative things?
423: [01:48:09] <spronk> complete lack of understanding of male psychology ? :)
424: [01:48:25] <antmas> not being in a real world scenario of boys+girls for one
425: [01:48:26] <irogue> I think it can go the other way too though adrexia - seemed to me like girls sometimes tone down their catty behaviour because its a turn-off for guys
426: [01:48:28] <adrexia> Ahh... nope
427: [01:48:42] <spronk> difficulties interacting with men without sexual undertones
428: [01:48:44] <irogue> in a single-sex school, there's no guys they're trying to look good in front of, so they can be as mean and bitchy as they want :P
429: [01:48:51] <adrexia> again, I never saw that
430: [01:49:06] <adrexia> though, teenagers are a bit like that anyhow
431: [01:49:31] <adrexia> and deprive them of the otehr sex and they get even more obsessed
432: [01:49:33] <spronk> the high school years are just so fundamental for learning how to interact with different types of people
433: [01:49:44] <adrexia> that I agree with, yeah
434: [01:49:50] <spronk> esp considering at the end of high school you're immediately thrust into the "real world"
435: [01:49:55] <spronk> with zero supervision
436: [01:49:56] <antmas> I just don't understand why you'd separate, only to have graduation mean you're being thrust into a world unlike the school you were in
437: [01:49:59] <antmas> 2 different worlds
438: [01:50:02] <Colin[pi]> exactly right spronk
439: [01:50:06] <spronk> so you get all these people going and drinking hard and going crazy with the sexes
440: [01:50:11] <spronk> = lots of rape
441: [01:50:15] <ss23> Any permissions are required by the "Duplicate Page(s)" thing in SilverStripe?
442: [01:50:28] <ss23> Looks like it's not working for some people here, even though they can create pages individually
443: [01:50:30] <adrexia> but I think there is so much unconscious gender bias out there that girls schools are better for the education of girls
444: [01:50:31] <irogue> I remember when HGHS had a big rant after a school social because so many of their girls got pregnant, and said they were never having a social with HBHS again
445: [01:50:50] <spronk> adrexia i think THAT is gender bias
446: [01:50:55] <antmas> mm
447: [01:51:09] <spronk> there's no reason why girls schools would be better for the education of girls
448: [01:51:15] <adrexia> <irogue> in a single-sex school, there's no guys they're trying to look good in front of, so they can be as mean and bitchy as they want :P
449: [01:51:19] <antmas> adrexia: but why is it a better education for girls? focus?
450: [01:51:23] <adrexia> that's 14 year old girls, for sdure
451: [01:51:30] <adrexia> they get better after 15 though
452: [01:51:33] <irogue> the next social they did with St Johns (catholic boys school) and WAY more girls got pregnant, and only one girl at the catholic girls school HBHS had their social with
453: [01:51:38] <spronk> big generalisation, adrexia
454: [01:51:42] <irogue> suddenly HGHS had to admit it was their problem :P
455: [01:51:43] <antmas> adrexia: that's subjective, some get worse :|
456: [01:51:50] <simon_w|air> adrexia, more-recent studies show that girls do well in single-sex and co-ed but boys do better at single-sex (probably because teaching style at co-ed matches at single-sex girls)
457: [01:52:10] <irogue> ^ yeah, that's a major issue with co-ed, different learning styles
458: [01:52:16] <adrexia> <spronk> there's no reason why girls schools would be better for the education of girls
459: [01:52:25] <adrexia> then why does pretty much very study say they _are_?
460: [01:52:31] <spronk> it doesn't
461: [01:52:34] <adrexia> <antmas> adrexia: but why is it a better education for girls? focus?
462: [01:52:44] <spronk> there's pretty much no conclusive research
463: [01:52:48] <adrexia> I think it's because social status becomes so tied up with how smart you are
464: [01:52:51] <irogue> I'm trying to think of where it is, maybe somewhere in Auckland? that there's a school that seperates core classes by gender but lunch and optional classes are coed
465: [01:52:55] <irogue> I quite like that idea
466: [01:53:06] <adrexia> but also, fewer distractions perhaps
467: [01:53:11] <spronk> if you control for factors such as the wealth of the school, coed vs ss schools in NZ are basically the same academic performance-wise
468: [01:53:22] <adrexia> <antmas> adrexia: that's subjective, some get worse :|
469: [01:53:24] <adrexia> oh yeah
470: [01:53:32] <adrexia> it's just what happened at my high school ;)
471: [01:53:41] <spronk> it just so happens that a lot of the single sex schools are *better* than their coed neighbours overall
472: [01:53:53] <antmas> what about doing single sex schools until you're 15 and then senior at co-ed?
473: [01:54:10] <irogue> the hamilton anglican schools do that
474: [01:54:12] <adrexia> <irogue> I'm trying to think of where it is, maybe somewhere in Auckland? that there's a school that seperates core classes by gender but lunch and optional classes are coed
475: [01:54:20] <spronk> whatever happens, teens need supervised coed education for at least a couple of years before being released into the wild
476: [01:54:20] <spronk> IMO
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478: [01:54:34] <antmas> spronk: lol released into the wild
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480: [01:54:39] <antmas> XD
481: [01:54:46] <adrexia> yeah, we had guys taking classes at our school. but only a few in each class really
482: [01:55:02] <spronk> adrexia at my high school you got the choice of a coed or ss form class, which was core (english, maths, physed etc) for first 3 years
483: [01:55:08] <spronk> all option subjects were coed
484: [01:55:37] * adrexia nods
485: [01:56:08] <irogue> yeah. its only really the core subjects that need to differ anyway.
486: [01:56:13] <antmas> I liked the teaching dynamics of co-ed
487: [01:56:23] <spronk> regardless, i still maintain that getitng rid of single sex 5-year high schools would make a big difference to this so-called "rape culture"
488: [01:56:25] <ss23> I feel left out, I've only ever done c-ed
489: [01:56:26] <ss23> :(
490: [01:56:40] <adrexia> I liked the teaching dynamics of my high school.
491: [01:56:42] <adrexia> ;)
492: [01:56:43] <irogue> especially english and math where the 'traditional' way of teaching them doesn't work for the majority of guys
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494: [01:57:07] <adrexia> spronk I'm unsure about the link to rape
495: [01:57:17] <antmas> it's so subjective, geo-based and experience based
496: [01:57:27] <adrexia> but there's a link to mutual respect I think
497: [01:57:28] <spronk> i'd love to see research on it
498: [01:57:34] <adrexia> which can be problematic
499: [01:57:37] <spronk> look at the background of all rape offenders
500: [01:57:53] <ss23> I often wish there was a repo of data like that, but it'd be a bit privacy invasive
501: [01:57:57] <ss23> Still, cool for adhoc discussions/debates
502: [01:57:58] <ss23> :D
503: [01:57:59] <spronk> eh
504: [01:58:00] <spronk> if you rape
505: [01:58:03] <antmas> ss23: just a tad :P
506: [01:58:05] <spronk> IMO you lose your right to privacy on that
507: [01:58:12] <adrexia> also, the school that sends the most people to catalyst academy is a girls school.
508: [01:58:13] <ss23> spronk: I'ma disagree
509: [01:58:20] <spronk> RAPIST
510: [01:58:26] <ss23> :P
511: [01:58:26] <antmas> spronk: yeah but that invokes the privacy issues of the victim(s) too
512: [01:58:37] <irogue> ss23: if properly anonymised and not too specific it'd be okay
513: [01:58:56] <antmas> adrexia: sends? or the girls choose to?
514: [01:58:58] <spronk> it's important data though
515: [01:59:00] <ss23> "properly anonymoised" is hard
516: [01:59:04] <spronk> we dont know why rape is a problem
517: [01:59:05] <adrexia> the girls choose to
518: [01:59:12] <antmas> mm
519: [01:59:12] <spronk> only way we'll find out is with data
520: [01:59:13] <adrexia> because their environment encourages them to come
521: [01:59:43] <irogue> yes, that is one risk with co-ed schools, it can discourage taking classes seen as for "the other gender"
522: [01:59:56] <antmas> mm
523: [01:59:59] <antmas> or
524: [02:00:21] * spronk didn't really see that at his school, irogue
525: [02:00:27] <adrexia> we know why rape is a problem. We just don't know why people rape. though actually, we have a fair idea of that too
526: [02:00:28] <antmas> encouraging one gender more than another, for a gender agnostic class
527: [02:00:32] <irogue> cooking class at HBHS was super popular, but I know at Fairfield College (co-ed where my grandfather taught) it was 90% girls
528: [02:00:35] <spronk> if anything it was guys wanting to take the classes with lots of girls in
529: [02:00:36] <spronk> lol
530: [02:00:50] <ss23> the best people in cooking at melville were dudes,m but more chicks did it
531: [02:00:52] <ss23> guys rule girls drool
532: [02:01:01] <antmas> lol
533: [02:01:22] <antmas> our school it was 50/50 split usually in classes
534: [02:01:22] <irogue> thats actually the funny part is that the majority of chefs are male, yet in high school cooking is thought of as a "girl's class"
535: [02:01:23] <adrexia> lols
536: [02:01:38] <adrexia> yep
537: [02:01:59] <antmas> it was more the sewing shop that was like that in our school :P
538: [02:02:05] <adrexia> because chef is a real job but cooking is what women do.
539: [02:02:07] <adrexia> ;)
540: [02:02:17] <antmas> and cooking class was referred to as 'Home Economics' lol
541: [02:02:21] <irogue> we didn't have a sewing class at HBHS, wonder how it would've gone if we did
542: [02:02:22] <spronk> the only ones in our school heavily biased toward one gender were materials tech (women), workshop materials tech (men), electronics (men)
543: [02:02:34] <adrexia> <antmas> and cooking class was referred to as 'Home Economics' lol
544: [02:02:36] <adrexia> lol, yep
545: [02:02:39] <irogue> wow
546: [02:02:42] <adrexia> along with seing
547: [02:02:45] <adrexia> *sewing
548: [02:02:50] <spronk> haha home ec
549: [02:02:50] <spronk> yeah
550: [02:02:52] <spronk> wtf
551: [02:02:55] <antmas> Physics and calculus was 90% boys in my senior years
552: [02:03:01] <spronk> wow
553: [02:03:06] <irogue> calling it Home Ec is an almost guaranteed way to have guys not go :P
554: [02:03:12] <antmas> all the girls did stats :|
555: [02:03:15] <DanaeNZ> sewing is called “textiles and design” now
556: [02:03:20] <spronk> stats was a cab class
557: [02:03:20] <spronk> :P
558: [02:03:21] <adrexia> 18<26antmas> Physics and calculus was 90% boys in my senior years
559: [02:03:25] <adrexia> 100% girls at mine ;)
560: [02:03:26] <adrexia> lols
561: [02:03:30] <antmas> mm it's different now, but yeah Home Ec was lol
562: [02:03:58] <antmas> 'I now know how to make home made wedges, I'm done'
563: [02:04:02] <adrexia> <spronk> stats was a cab class
564: [02:04:15] <antmas> cab class?
565: [02:04:19] <adrexia> nah, there were cab clases too
566: [02:04:22] <adrexia> cabbage
567: [02:04:27] <antmas> LOLOLOLOL
568: [02:04:28] <spronk> :D
569: [02:04:31] <antmas> haven't heard that for a while
570: [02:04:46] <adrexia> yep ;)
571: [02:05:05] <spronk> as was biology
572: [02:05:05] <antmas> I think that was used to describe the Japanese class in our school
573: [02:05:08] <antmas> which is lol
574: [02:05:19] <adrexia> also, I think Nelson was the only place where calling someone a 'unit' was a common insult
575: [02:05:26] <antmas> adrexia: hahaha
576: [02:05:43] <antmas> 'you fucking cabbage' lol the memories
577: [02:05:56] <adrexia> 'I'm taking cabbage maths'
578: [02:05:58] <irogue> even the teachers used the term cabbage at HBHS. "you doing calculus, stats, or cabbage math?"
579: [02:06:02] <antmas> hahahaha
580: [02:06:08] <antmas> cabbage math omg
581: [02:06:15] <antmas> I'm dying
582: [02:06:27] <adrexia> there was an attept by teachers to srtamp that out, but it doesn't work when its the people taking it refering to themselves that way ;)
583: [02:06:28] <spronk> :D
584: [02:06:40] <irogue> HBHS was also fully streamed, which is another interesting topic
585: [02:06:52] <antmas> mmm streaming was weird
586: [02:07:25] <irogue> it has real educational benefits for those in low streams, but is also pretty rough self-image wise
587: [02:07:27] <antmas> we pretty much had 'You can do math good' > 'I know what BODMAS is' > 'super cab' for maths
588: [02:08:26] <irogue> 1-band had class sizes of 32, 2-band had class sizes of ~28, 3-band had class sizes of <=15
589: [02:08:46] <irogue> so those in the low streams actually got more one-on-one teaching time
590: [02:09:02] <antmas> mm yeah that sounds familiar
591: [02:09:22] <simon_w|air> Streaming was great. Then it stopped and suddenly I was bored most of the time
592: [02:09:40] <antmas> like our physics y13 class had 2 girls, 7 guys - the stats class had 18 girls, 2 guys
593: [02:10:02] <antmas> and our grade average was much higher
594: [02:10:14] <antmas> (physics)
595: [02:10:34] <antmas> replace physics with calc*
596: [02:10:56] <antmas> I guess that isn't really 'streaming' though
597: [02:11:17] <adrexia> no - that's people picking different subjects ;)
598: [02:11:18] <irogue> we had a guy in my class who was afaik was the only person in multiple streams. I was in 12 which was the second from top class, but we had a guy in our class who would go join 34 (lowest class) for English
599: [02:11:37] <Ryan-Toast> UncleCheese: Anyone discuss the Chrome bug while I was gone?
600: [02:11:52] <irogue> he was pretty smart, could do math etc. well, but had issues reading and writing due to dyslexia
601: [02:12:00] <adrexia> I need mixed environments to learn well - people I can learn off, and people I can teach.
602: [02:12:08] <adrexia> so streaming wasn't something that worked for me
603: [02:12:09] <antmas> adrexia: yeah but at the lower end of math streams vs the top end, they may as well be differnet subjects
604: [02:12:25] <adrexia> hmm, not at our school
605: [02:12:39] <antmas> ours was, but this was the Coast we're talking about
606: [02:12:42] <antmas> ;)
607: [02:12:49] <adrexia> it was taught differently, and probably about 6 months behind
608: [02:12:59] <irogue> so he was in a top-stream class for everything but English, and also had extra reading class instead of one of his optional classes. by year 11 he was in our class for everything, so I guess it worked
609: [02:13:12] <adrexia> but the key point was that it was very much a group thing - the class learnt together
610: [02:13:25] <antmas> our senior calc, physics and outdoor ed teacher was all the same person lol
611: [02:13:45] <irogue> wtf
612: [02:13:52] <irogue> antmas: how damn small was your school?
613: [02:13:53] <adrexia> lol
614: [02:13:55] <adrexia> yeah
615: [02:13:59] <adrexia> coast
616: [02:14:00] <adrexia> ;)
617: [02:14:06] <antmas> that sounds funny, but he was amazing in each
618: [02:14:11] * adrexia nods
619: [02:14:17] <simon_w|air> Would be horrible if you didn't get along with him
620: [02:14:24] <adrexia> I had the same teacher for a bunch of subjects
621: [02:14:42] <adrexia> but that's becuase history, art history, social studies, classics etc
622: [02:14:46] <irogue> I didn't have the same teacher for any subject, or even for more than one year
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624: [02:15:01] <irogue> too many classes/teachers for that to be likely to happen
625: [02:15:10] <Ryan-Toast> adrexia: The difference between the bottom Math class, and the top in Highschool is ridik
626: [02:15:12] <antmas_> like he was (is) a prof in physic+calc and amazing kayaker :P
627: [02:15:27] <UncleCheese> Ryan-Toast did you get it sorted?
628: [02:15:39] <Ryan-Toast> UncleCheese: Nah, I had to go to the Immigration Office
629: [02:15:47] <adrexia> Ryan-Toast, yeah we didn't have streaming in high school in that way
630: [02:15:54] <UncleCheese> ooh, look at you
631: [02:15:54] <UncleCheese> where you off to?
632: [02:15:58] <Ryan-Toast> UK
633: [02:16:01] <antmas_> burgerfuel, fuck you "With two new restaurants open it's a big welcome to the BF familia for Rosalie (QLD) & Upper Hutt (NZ) #burgertime "
634: [02:16:02] <adrexia> just real maths vs cabbage
635: [02:16:04] <adrexia> ;)
636: [02:16:30] <Ryan-Toast> adrexia: I took unit standards in form 6 for a laugh, until the HOD of Math found out and moved me to her class.
637: [02:16:31] <antmas_> Y U NO NELSON
638: [02:16:34] <Ryan-Toast> That shit was so fun
639: [02:16:44] <antmas_> Ryan-Toast: lol unit standards were awesome
640: [02:16:48] <Ryan-Toast> Finished all my work in like 5 minutes and just sat there screwing around
641: [02:17:03] <adrexia> <Ryan-Toast> adrexia: I took unit standards in form 6 for a laugh, until the HOD of Math found out and moved me to her class.
642: [02:17:05] <adrexia> lols
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644: [02:17:11] <Ryan-Toast> I think it was literally like x + x = 4
645: [02:17:14] <Ryan-Toast> kind of biz
646: [02:17:30] <irogue> in each year we had 11, 12, 13, 14, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 31, 32, 33, 34
647: [02:17:33] <adrexia> yeah, we got taught to gamble
648: [02:17:39] <irogue> so... 15 classes?
649: [02:17:45] <adrexia> and fill in tax returns
650: [02:17:53] <Ryan-Toast> The problem I saw in lower math classes is that teachers didn’t give a shit, so they didn’t explain why things were the way they were.
651: [02:17:56] <antmas_> our cabbage math class made their teacher cry they were so bad
652: [02:18:11] <adrexia> most of the people in the class just wanted the option to not do maths
653: [02:18:19] * antmas quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
654: [02:18:27] <Ryan-Toast> “Here are the formulas, learn them and whatever”
655: [02:18:29] <antmas_> like she had a permanent face palm mark on her fface
656: [02:18:38] <adrexia> Ryan-Toast, our normal maths classes were formula memorization, yeah
657: [02:18:43] <adrexia> #boring
658: [02:18:47] <irogue> that doesn't seem enough classes, there must've been 28 and 29 too
659: [02:19:07] <antmas_> adrexia: yeah only to find the fucking NCEA tests gave you a formula sheet anyway
660: [02:19:14] <Ryan-Toast> antmas_: The unit standard class used to draw dicks on A4 paper, put the end of a glue stick on a corner and throw it at the roof when she wasn’t looking
661: [02:19:21] <Ryan-Toast> So there were like 20 dicks on the roof.
662: [02:19:25] <adrexia> ours were awesome. our teachers all loved us.
663: [02:19:25] <Ryan-Toast> by the end of the class.
664: [02:19:27] <antmas_> Ryan-Toast: LOLOLOLOLO
665: [02:19:34] <adrexia> actually, sort of weird now that I think of it
666: [02:19:34] <irogue> Ryan-Toast: I think you mean "cabbage class"
667: [02:19:41] <Ryan-Toast> irogue: See: Unit class
668: [02:20:14] <adrexia> unit
669: [02:20:16] <adrexia> :D
670: [02:20:31] <antmas_> somone in the cab class managed to cover a kush ball in PVA (lol yes PVA when you're 14) and get it stuck on the roof when teacher wasn't looking
671: [02:20:44] <irogue> I hate PVA
672: [02:20:47] <adrexia> yeah, I think, ironically, the cabbage teachers knew how to teach maths much better than the otehr math teachers
673: [02:20:52] <antmas_> the proceed to turn the roof fan on and let it fall on it :D
674: [02:20:53] <irogue> it cost me one of my front teeth
675: [02:21:00] <adrexia> I guess that's not ironic, it's just normally the otehr way around
676: [02:21:13] <Ryan-Toast> antmas_: In art people used to grab clay from the back of the room and throw it as hard as they could at the whiteboard when the teac her was writing on it.
677: [02:21:18] <antmas_> someone did throw a half eaten pie at the roof fan too
678: [02:21:21] <antmas_> that was epic
679: [02:21:23] <irogue> adrexia: no, decent schools will put the best teachers in the cabbage classes where their skills are most needed
680: [02:21:35] <adrexia> Ryan-Toast, you were mean to an _Art_ teacher
681: [02:21:37] <antmas_> Ryan-Toast: lol that must have been so loud
682: [02:21:39] <antmas_> BOOF
683: [02:21:40] <adrexia> what sort of monsters wree you?
684: [02:21:51] <adrexia> <irogue> adrexia: no, decent schools will put the best teachers in the cabbage classes where their skills are most needed
685: [02:21:52] <irogue> Ryan-Toast: jesus that sort of shit wouldn't have gone down at my school
686: [02:21:56] <Ryan-Toast> adrexia: Public schools in my area were… interesting.
687: [02:21:56] <adrexia> I agree, that's a good idea
688: [02:22:03] <adrexia> it just isn't often the way
689: [02:22:14] <irogue> my school was a "20 press-ups if your shirt is untucked or socks not up to your knees" school
690: [02:22:36] <antmas_> irogue: lol we had that
691: [02:22:43] <adrexia> Art teachers were the best teachers ever. they let us listen to music all classes, and talk to each other while we worked
692: [02:22:46] <Ryan-Toast> irogue: My school was more of a “Get fucked, do your own push-ups you twat” kind of school.
693: [02:22:50] <simon_w|air> irogue, did your school still allow bullrush?
694: [02:23:02] <antmas_> irogue: and the some of the more 'regal' kids glued socks to their lower knees as they were terrified of doing 20 pressups
695: [02:23:02] <adrexia> irogue, mine to
696: [02:23:10] <muskie9> is it possible to index a many_many_extraField
697: [02:23:12] <irogue> simon_w|air: it was high school so I don't think anyone wanted to play bullrush, but tackle rugby etc in lunchtime were fine
698: [02:23:13] <Colin[pi]> adrexia: we had one class a week where we watched Ren and Stimpy with the art teacher
699: [02:23:37] <UncleCheese> so allowed_actions aren't inherited by subclasses?
700: [02:23:39] <simon_w|air> irogue, missed out :p 7th formers vs 3rd formers was good
701: [02:23:51] <irogue> simon_w|air: oh we had our own school sport for that
702: [02:23:52] <UncleCheese> if Page declares an action allowed, the subclass of Page has to as well?
703: [02:23:55] <simon_w|air> UncleCheese, kinda. Needs to be defined on the class the method is defined on
704: [02:23:57] <Colin[pi]> UncleCheese: I think I noticed that the other day too
705: [02:23:58] <irogue> called "Kill"
706: [02:24:02] <adrexia> lol. my class at 4th form camp were allowed to play bullrush. but the other class got told they couldn't. it was our thing... basically, we were tougher than them and their teachers thought they'd get hurtg
707: [02:24:12] <UncleCheese> ohhh!
708: [02:24:20] <antmas_> bullrush was banned at our school after a kid lost _all_ of his teeth (see sticking out on in a row by way or braces wire)
709: [02:24:21] <UncleCheese> so if i've overloaded the method in teh subclass, it needs redeclaration
710: [02:24:28] <simon_w|air> irogue, the common rooms had fridges removed because 3rd formers would get caught trying to run across the deck, then stuck in the fridge
711: [02:24:33] <irogue> rugby but with a moonball and the person with the ball can use the ball as a defensive or offensive mechanism against anyone
712: [02:24:39] <Colin[pi]> antmas_: all.... his teeth?
713: [02:24:42] <simon_w|air> UncleCheese, yes
714: [02:25:06] <simon_w|air> irogue, ooh, we played tackle rugby in the gym with one of those giant yoga balls
715: [02:25:09] <antmas_> Colin[pi]: all of them, 2 wires sticking out of his mouth with daisy chained teeth :|
716: [02:25:15] <irogue> simon_w|air: yeah, those are the balls I mean
717: [02:25:20] <Colin[pi]> antmas_: sweet merciful christ
718: [02:25:26] <irogue> that was basically our unofficial school sport
719: [02:25:30] <antmas_> yeah it was something
720: [02:25:31] <irogue> there were often ambulances involved
721: [02:25:59] <simon_w|air> Some of the tutors were great :D (Being the ones that organised that during PE)
722: [02:26:06] <antmas_> rubgy was almost banned (we used to call it Bloodbie)
723: [02:26:11] <irogue> some huge first XV rugby player with the ball running full-speed at a little turd, the little fella would fly halfway across the field
724: [02:26:25] <antmas_> irogue: lol yup
725: [02:26:33] <simon_w|air> There's a video of that happening at WC
726: [02:26:35] <antmas_> 'ping!'
727: [02:26:43] <Colin[pi]> irogue: your school sounded pretty.... fun
728: [02:26:50] * antmas_ is now known as antmas
729: [02:26:54] <irogue> a lot of our PE teachers were ex All Blacks or NPC players
730: [02:27:20] * Stomach quit (Quit: zzz)
731: [02:27:21] <antmas> PE was awesome
732: [02:27:27] <irogue> being a "rugby school", they hired PE teachers for their rugby coaching skills rather than anything else
733: [02:28:02] <antmas> our Rugby coach's name was 'Justin Bigwood' :P
734: [02:28:27] <antmas> used to get so much crap :/
735: [02:29:26] <irogue> haha
736: [02:29:37] <irogue> this guy was our head of PE, and (obviously) cricket coach http://www.cricketcountry.com/articles/chris-kuggeleijn-the-man-immortalised-by-richard-hadlee-135978
737: [02:29:47] <irogue> will never forget when the students found out his middle name
738: [02:30:10] <adrexia> lol
739: [02:30:12] <adrexia> Mary
740: [02:30:29] <adrexia> that's my mother's middle name
741: [02:30:53] <irogue> is my grandmother's middle name. my mother's middle name is "Marie" tho, so close
742: [02:31:09] <antmas> no Marys in my family
743: [02:31:33] <antmas> well, there is one, but she's a bitch so it don't count
744: [02:31:34] <antmas> :P
745: [02:32:07] <irogue> my mother's given names are "Lisa Marie", which gives you some idea of around when she was born
746: [02:32:29] <antmas> irogue:hmmmm, 60s?
747: [02:33:33] <irogue> you can be more specific than that :P
748: [02:33:57] <antmas> irogue: idk 1967?
749: [02:34:29] <irogue> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lisa_Marie_Presley
750: [02:34:48] <antmas> irogue: LOL I was JUST there
751: [02:34:59] <antmas> so I was close by random guess
752: [02:35:35] <irogue> 1969 tho, a year later, which means the name mustve had some good sticking power to still be popular
753: [02:36:11] <antmas> Lisa Marie just has a 60s ring to it either way
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756: [02:39:32] <irogue> bahahaha
757: [02:39:35] <irogue> sneaky sneaky MediaWorks
758: [02:40:11] <adrexia> ?
759: [02:40:42] <irogue> announcing John Campbell's axing during the budget announcement
760: [02:40:47] <spronk> lolmm
761: [02:40:48] <spronk> saw that
762: [02:41:02] <antmas> so it did get axed?
763: [02:41:41] <irogue> yup. they're replacing it with a Seven Sharp style show. asked JC to be one of the hosts on it but I think he has too much pride for that, and quit
764: [02:42:05] <antmas> that's a shame, he could have helped steer the new format into something still good
765: [02:42:14] <adrexia> lol
766: [02:42:17] <adrexia> no
767: [02:42:23] <adrexia> he's best leaving
768: [02:42:29] <adrexia> his emplyers are apparently idiots
769: [02:42:31] <adrexia> :P
770: [02:42:46] <irogue> yup
771: [02:43:00] <antmas> ah well, one less reason to watch tv3
772: [02:43:20] <irogue> mediaworks is owned by a vulture capital firm, so its no surprise they're doing things for short-term profit not long-term gain
773: [02:43:34] * adrexia nods
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775: [02:44:10] <adrexia> isn't it the most popular show on tv3 though? or second most popular?
776: [02:44:15] <irogue> most popular, yes
777: [02:44:29] <adrexia> such a dumb idea
778: [02:44:43] <adrexia> let's can our most popular show
779: [02:44:55] <simon_w|air> Probably one of the most expensive to run too
780: [02:44:57] <irogue> but it doesn't directly sell things. they'll replace it with something like Seven Sharp but where they can have companies pay to have nice things said about them.
781: [02:44:59] <antmas> wait, didn't it have lower ratings than other shows/
782: [02:45:17] <adrexia> antmas not tv3 shows, no
783: [02:45:22] <irogue> antmas: lower than Seven Sharp, but higher than anything else on tv3
784: [02:45:22] <adrexia> that was spin
785: [02:45:23] <antmas> oh
786: [02:45:24] <antmas> suck
787: [02:45:48] <adrexia> they tried to compare it to seven sharp - but seven sharp is on a channel that has way more viewers over all
788: [02:46:09] <antmas> I think the last time I watched a whole episode was when JC was weirdly touching a rugby players leg
789: [02:46:14] <antmas> was soooo awkward
790: [02:46:18] <adrexia> haha
791: [02:46:19] <irogue> lol
792: [02:46:36] <antmas> I wish I could find that
793: [02:46:37] <adrexia> where are you going to go now for your awkward leg touching fix?
794: [02:46:47] <antmas> adrexia: hahaha!
795: [02:46:48] <irogue> I really enjoyed the whole series they did on the Dead Sea Spa assholes
796: [02:47:04] <antmas> actually no I did watch all the Gloriavale stuff
797: [02:47:15] <irogue> always thought those people seemed dodgy as shit, was nice to have it confirmed for me :P
798: [02:47:20] <adrexia> I don't watch tv on tvs
799: [02:47:30] <irogue> antmas: oh god Seven Sharp's gloriavale coverage was so bad
800: [02:47:46] <antmas> is seven sharp on tv1?
801: [02:47:50] <adrexia> so as much as I thin k tv3 made a mistake, it doesn't really matter
802: [02:48:20] <adrexia> I think so
803: [02:48:29] <adrexia> tv1 news is the most popular news
804: [02:48:38] <irogue> antmas: ya its what replaced Close Up
805: [02:48:38] <antmas> I only ever watched tv3 news because MmR and the weather graphics were always prettier than tv1's lol
806: [02:49:06] <simon_w|air> Can't remember the last time I watched tv news in NZ
807: [02:49:08] <irogue> I always watched 3 news cos Mike and Hilary were much better presenters
808: [02:49:11] <adrexia> I wanterd to like tv3 news, but their grammar constantly irritated me
809: [02:49:21] <simon_w|air> Used to watch the ABC news when with the in-laws, since they watch it
810: [02:49:29] <antmas> what's that one that Miriama Kamo does? (probably spelt that wrong)
811: [02:49:32] <irogue> the One News people always seemed to be trying WAY too hard to seem serious
812: [02:49:33] <adrexia> tv 1 was much better at speaking english all proper like
813: [02:49:44] <DanaeNZ> what is this “tv” you all speak of
814: [02:50:00] <adrexia> DanaeNZ, it's something people used to watch once upon a time
815: [02:50:04] <irogue> antmas: she does 20/20
816: [02:50:13] <DanaeNZ> adrexia: like a netflix?
817: [02:50:13] <antmas> irogue: Hillary was good until she went to 'that show'
818: [02:50:22] <irogue> antmas: yeah, for sure
819: [02:50:22] <antmas> irogue: tha'ts it
820: [02:50:30] <adrexia> DanaeNZ, yeah, but not as good
821: [02:50:36] <DanaeNZ> adrexia: my god
822: [02:50:48] <adrexia> it's like netflix but soemone else chooses what's hsiowing
823: [02:50:56] <adrexia> often some idiot that likes reality tv
824: [02:51:06] <irogue> John Campbell should just start a YouTube channel. I'd subscribe to that.
825: [02:51:06] <antmas> and with lots more mad butcher ads
826: [02:51:25] <adrexia> hsiowing === showing. apparently
827: [02:51:28] <antmas> irogue: that's where 90% of my viewing of 'tv' is now
828: [02:52:11] <irogue> y'all know why TV3 went so far downhill right?
829: [02:52:17] <adrexia> why?
830: [02:52:20] <antmas> 'Mad Butcher has chicken drumsticks, only thicks dollerth fifty a kilo'
831: [02:52:30] <adrexia> it's actually been years since I watched real tv
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833: [02:53:14] * antmas holds breath for irogue
834: [02:53:23] <Ryan-Toast> UncleCheese: I can’t figure this out, and it’s driving me crazy.
835: [02:54:12] <irogue> adrexia: Julie Christie got onto the board and put in charge of the TV part of MediaWorks
836: [02:54:21] <adrexia> who's that?
837: [02:54:39] <irogue> she's the creator of most of NZ's horrible reality tv, and owner of most of the shopping channels on SKY
838: [02:54:50] <adrexia> ahh
839: [02:55:02] <adrexia> http://www.nzonscreen.com/person/julie-christie
840: [02:55:41] <irogue> she's personally responsible for The Block and The GC among many other monstrosities
841: [02:56:20] <antmas> irogue: where is she credited for those?
842: [02:56:26] <adrexia> I've not heard of either of those
843: [02:57:07] <antmas> ah her production company
844: [02:57:20] <antmas> I fail to see how that makes her 'personally' responsible for it though
845: [02:57:32] <adrexia> she signed the paper work?
846: [02:57:51] <adrexia> that would make her legally responsible, right? ;)
847: [02:58:20] <adrexia> I googled those shows
848: [02:58:39] <adrexia> streaming tv is so much better quality than that tripe
849: [02:59:12] <antmas> I'm pretty certain she sold it before those shows were signed
850: [02:59:50] <irogue> antmas: she was both director and producer for The Block
851: [03:00:11] <antmas> mm, not GC it seems
852: [03:00:15] <irogue> and I know in interviews she's claimed to have created almost all Touchdown/Eyeworks shows herself (tho that may just be her being a bitch)
853: [03:00:37] <antmas> irogue: I think the latter given her departure in 2012
854: [03:01:01] <irogue> The GC started in 2012
855: [03:01:07] <irogue> so wouldve been in development before then
856: [03:02:17] <antmas> mmm I guess, but I wouldn't credit her to it. But the block, I can't even find who directed that lol
857: [03:02:48] <irogue> and Julie only left Eyeworks in 2013
858: [03:03:28] <irogue> antmas: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0160343/?ref_=ttfc_fc_cr9
859: [03:03:49] <antmas> irogue: ah, there it is :D
860: [03:04:02] <irogue> "New Zealand's Hottest Home Baker" hahaha I remember that one
861: [03:04:03] <irogue> so bad
862: [03:04:36] <antmas> irogue: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10844142 2012?
863: [03:04:44] * UncleCheese quit (Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…)
864: [03:05:22] <irogue> antmas: looks like resigned as boss in 2012 but stayed on as middle management, fully left in 2013
865: [03:05:34] <irogue> http://www.eyeworks.tv/countries/new_zealand/news/news_item/t/ashley_coupland_greg_heathcote_appointed_as_new_management_of_eyeworks_new_zealand
866: [03:06:34] <antmas> ah yeah well spotted
867: [03:06:43] <antmas> couldn't quite let it go :P
868: [03:07:19] <irogue> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNHLaIn_jWc
869: [03:08:18] <antmas> LOl that guy's haircut
870: [03:08:25] <irogue> colin mathura-jeffree?
871: [03:08:36] <antmas> yeah
872: [03:08:54] <irogue> super-gay fashion model
873: [03:09:13] <antmas> mm
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875: [03:11:08] <antmas> hmmm no kiwisaver kickstart
876: [03:11:14] * spronk quit (Quit: I may need a longer sleep timer...)
877: [03:11:25] <antmas> does that mean 'new' people?
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879: [03:16:46] <irogue> antmas: thats the $1000 they put in when you joined
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881: [03:19:36] <Tanger> Morning guys
882: [03:20:06] <UncleCheese> Ryan-Toast i'll have a look
883: [03:20:23] <Ryan-Toast> UncleCheese: I’ve been having a go, but I can’t seem to get Chrome to fire the window.onpopstate
884: [03:21:46] <irogue> sounds like Andrew Little has been sorely disappointing in his budget reply. wonder if Grant and Jacinda will give it another go
885: [03:21:50] <UncleCheese> had a look, and i did replicated it
886: [03:22:02] <UncleCheese> chrome only?
887: [03:22:27] <Ryan-Toast> UncleCheese: Yeah, chrome only
888: [03:23:00] <UncleCheese> is this you? http://stackoverflow.com/questions/9956255/chrome-displays-ajax-response-when-pressing-back-button
889: [03:23:18] <Ryan-Toast> UncleCheese: lol 3 years ago?
890: [03:23:50] <UncleCheese> right
891: [03:23:59] <UncleCheese> i wonder if we just need cache: false?
892: [03:24:15] <irogue> https://i.imgur.com/oKaIPY0.png WAT
893: [03:24:19] <Ryan-Toast> UncleCheese: maybe
894: [03:24:19] <irogue> I DON'T EVEN
895: [03:24:25] <Ryan-Toast> I’ve been trying to fix the popstate though
896: [03:24:30] <irogue> how very australian
897: [03:24:35] <UncleCheese> popstate probably has nothing to do with it
898: [03:25:01] <Ryan-Toast> cache false works
899: [03:25:12] <Ryan-Toast> nvm
900: [03:25:15] <Ryan-Toast> No it doesn.t
901: [03:25:18] <UncleCheese> you're kidding
902: [03:25:19] <UncleCheese> oh ok
903: [03:25:54] <Ryan-Toast> From what I can figure out onpopstate isn’t firing in chrome
904: [03:26:00] <Ryan-Toast> but it does in safari, and firefox
905: [03:44:18] <UncleCheese> alright, we officially walked on the offer
906: [03:45:00] <Colin[pi]> UncleCheese: yeah?
907: [03:50:18] <Stomach> they want $535 still?
908: [03:51:40] <irogue> or did they cave all the way down to $534
909: [03:52:52] <Colin[pi]> $534.95
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912: [03:55:40] <PapaBearNZ> Hi all,
913: [03:57:17] <PapaBearNZ> I'm attempting to change the class of several pages automatically in a one-off task. However, when I attempt to save the pages after updating the class name I get an error "[User Error] Uncaught Exception: Object->__call(): the method 'parent' does not exist on 'ContentPage'"
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916: [03:58:29] <PapaBearNZ> the stack trace points to the validURLSegment function in SiteTree.... but I thought getParent was a fairly standard function? All pages are subclasses of Page.
917: [03:58:56] <ss23> parent is a static method remember
918: [03:58:58] <ss23> foo::parent
919: [03:59:01] <ss23> not $this->parent
920: [03:59:07] * Stomach quit (Quit: zzz)
921: [03:59:09] <ss23> Though not sure exactly what the issue is :O
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923: [04:00:08] <PapaBearNZ> line 1585 of SiteTree: if(self::config()->nested_urls && $parent = $this->Parent()) {
924: [04:00:19] <Colin[pi]> mm parent from Hierarchy
925: [04:01:13] <Colin[pi]> PapaBearNZ: actually ->Parent() accesses the relation right?
926: [04:02:55] <Colin[pi]> PapaBearNZ: ah it's a SiteTree getter
927: [04:02:57] <Colin[pi]> return DataObject::get_one("SiteTree", "\"SiteTree\".\"ID\" = " . $this->getField("ParentID"));
928: [04:03:28] <adrexia> or just get by id
929: [04:03:37] <adrexia> or rtaher, hget a filter by
930: [04:03:59] <Colin[pi]> adrexia: that code is coming from getParent() on SiteTree
931: [04:04:06] <Colin[pi]> (just showing what it's doing)
932: [04:04:08] <adrexia> ahh right
933: [04:04:21] <Colin[pi]> didn't the parent stuff come from Hierarchy?
934: [04:04:25] <Colin[pi]> or was that just in 2.4?
935: [04:04:32] <Colin[pi]> or am I confused again (quite likely)
936: [04:05:22] <ss-helper> How to make homepage fully editable in the CMS? - http://stackoverflow.com/questions/30364253/how-to-make-homepage-fully-editable-in-the-cms
937: [04:05:38] <PapaBearNZ> FYI - this is SS v3.1.2
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939: [04:05:51] <PapaBearNZ> running on postgreSQL
940: [04:06:48] <Colin[pi]> PapaBearNZ: ContentPage definitely inherits from SiteTree?
941: [04:07:07] <PapaBearNZ> ContentPage inherits from Page which inherits from SiteTree
942: [04:07:16] <Colin[pi]> hmm
943: [04:07:39] <PapaBearNZ> And thepage type we are changing to, HelpTopicPage, inherits from ContentPage.
944: [04:08:28] <adrexia> Colin[pi],yep Parent comes from Hierachy
945: [04:09:11] <Colin[pi]> adrexia: but... looking at the source getParent() is a method on SiteTree
946: [04:09:20] <Colin[pi]> that wasn't my recollection...?
947: [04:09:25] <adrexia> getparent, yeah
948: [04:10:24] <Colin[pi]> man that's really weird PapaBearNZ
949: [04:10:38] <adrexia> PapaBearNZ, can you paste your code?
950: [04:10:51] <Colin[pi]> these Object->__call() magic methods always annoy me
951: [04:11:41] <Colin[pi]> PapaBearNZ: the subclass is not doing anything weird with something called "parent" is it?
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953: [04:13:29] <UncleCheese> Stomach Colin[pi] they said they could move a little bit, but there's still a gulf between us
954: [04:13:39] <Colin[pi]> UncleCheese: :(
955: [04:13:45] <UncleCheese> i'm sooooooo bummed
956: [04:13:54] <Stomach> start a gulf war
957: [04:13:55] <UncleCheese> i really saw us living there.. we had a really good feeling about it
958: [04:13:57] <Stomach> ehuehuehue
959: [04:13:58] <UncleCheese> YES
960: [04:14:04] <Colin[pi]> UncleCheese: there'll be another
961: [04:14:08] <MichalKleiner> https://twitter.com/MichalKleiner/status/601239362022477824
962: [04:14:10] <UncleCheese> oh well.. i'll look on the bright side
963: [04:14:17] <PapaBearNZ> Stupid thing is... just before the code that generates the error - I can call $page->getParent() and it returns the expected parent page.
964: [04:14:17] <UncleCheese> i'm not half a mil in the hole!
965: [04:15:04] <Colin[pi]> PapaBearNZ: yeah so when ->Parent() is called it makes use of the __call() magic method, I wonder if something is interfering with that somehow
966: [04:15:11] <adrexia> PapaBearNZ, it might be a red herring
967: [04:15:17] <Colin[pi]> whereas ->getParent() directly calls the method
968: [04:15:40] <Colin[pi]> UncleCheese: the sad thing is, folks don't really give a shit about lowering prices because someone WILL come along and pay more
969: [04:15:41] <Colin[pi]> :(
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972: [04:16:26] <UncleCheese> exactly
973: [04:16:29] <Colin[pi]> so it's like yeah nah, k thx... we'll sell to this other richer guy
974: [04:16:42] <UncleCheese> i just hate that it was "by negotiation" if they were really just firm on $535.. like.. fuck. just advertise your price
975: [04:16:50] <Colin[pi]> lol yeah
976: [04:16:52] <Colin[pi]> that pisses me off
977: [04:16:53] <UncleCheese> I don't say this often, but I like the way it works in USA a lot better
978: [04:17:03] <UncleCheese> they post a price, and no one pays that much
979: [04:17:12] <UncleCheese> $535 means offer $490
980: [04:17:16] <Colin[pi]> yeah well for that price in the USA you could get a damn fine house in a lot of areas I'd imagine?
981: [04:17:36] <UncleCheese> but you know you're never going to pay $535 .. it's like.. "enquiries under $535k"
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983: [04:17:45] <UncleCheese> i think $535k buys you the state of Nebraska
984: [04:17:50] <Colin[pi]> lololo
985: [04:18:07] <UncleCheese> my childhood home is for sale, for instance: http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/15-Truell-Rd-Hollis-NH-03049/117803765_zpid/
986: [04:18:15] <UncleCheese> spent the first 23 years of my life there
987: [04:18:17] <Colin[pi]> UncleCheese: here and in NZ it seems, they try to get you in under the pretence that it's flexible, but they don't usually want to budge these days :(
988: [04:18:42] <Colin[pi]> jesus that house is so american
989: [04:18:42] <UncleCheese> yeah, it's a really tough market
990: [04:18:44] <Colin[pi]> :D
991: [04:18:52] <UncleCheese> and don't get me wrong.. i totally get that you're paying for the location..
992: [04:18:58] <UncleCheese> it's an awesome place to live
993: [04:19:05] <UncleCheese> i just wish prices were a bit... softer
994: [04:19:08] <adrexia> wow. you'd never get a house that nice for that price here
995: [04:19:16] <Colin[pi]> adrexia: lol no way
996: [04:19:20] <UncleCheese> ha
997: [04:19:27] <irogue> $535k in hamilton is practically a mansion
998: [04:19:28] <Colin[pi]> something like that here would be like 1.5 mill
999: [04:19:31] <irogue> but you're in hamilton
1000: [04:19:38] <Colin[pi]> ^
1001: [04:19:39] <Colin[pi]> lol
1002: [04:19:57] <irogue> $100k in gore would be a mansion, but you'd be in Gore
1003: [04:20:22] <ss-helper> How to make multiple editable parts on homepage/other pages in Silverstripe CMS? - http://stackoverflow.com/questions/30364253/how-to-make-multiple-editable-parts-on-homepage-other-pages-in-silverstripe-cms
1004: [04:20:56] <irogue> slight overstatement of course, but Gore is pretty insane for house prices: http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/CategoryAttributeSearchResults.aspx?sort_order=price_asc&search=1&cid=5748&sidebar=1&rptpath=350-5748-3399-&132=PROPERTY&selected135=74&134=11&135=74&216=0%2C0&217=0%2C0&153=&122=2%2C6&49=0%2C0&178=0%2C0&sidebarSearch_keypresses=0&sidebarSearch_suggested=0
1005: [04:22:05] <adrexia> holy...
1006: [04:22:13] <adrexia> I could actually afford that
1007: [04:22:30] <irogue> and around Hamilton: http://www.trademe.co.nz/property/residential-property-for-sale/auction-881581359.htm
1008: [04:22:54] <UncleCheese> speaking of the USA, airNZ has a crazy sale on now
1009: [04:23:03] <UncleCheese> $699 to houston, direct
1010: [04:23:08] <Colin[pi]> man I'd love a place like this: http://www.trademe.co.nz/property/residential-property-for-sale/auction-845377575.htm
1011: [04:23:25] <UncleCheese> Gore!!!
1012: [04:23:33] <irogue> UncleCheese: yup, pretty sweet deal. was discussing it with some of my US mates on FB
1013: [04:23:34] <UncleCheese> "Location, location, location"
1014: [04:23:46] <UncleCheese> irogue wanna split a skycouch?
1015: [04:23:53] <UncleCheese> you get the inside
1016: [04:24:15] <irogue> I have zero interest in going to the US
1017: [04:24:36] <ss23> Going to the US would be fun for a visit
1018: [04:24:39] <ss23> I mean, I've been once, it was fun
1019: [04:24:44] <ss23> Living there, much less so
1020: [04:24:44] <ss23> :P
1021: [04:24:56] <simon_w|air> Last time I went, it was a lot cheaper than that too :p
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1023: [04:25:05] <ss23> Was like $1.2k each way when I went
1024: [04:25:06] <ss23> :(
1025: [04:25:16] <irogue> I've been once, for 3 hours, and that was enough. To be fair, that was LA, so not a good way to judge a country
1026: [04:25:27] <Colin[pi]> irogue: san fran was nice when I was there
1027: [04:25:27] <ss23> Oh that's where I've been
1028: [04:25:28] <ss23> :D
1029: [04:25:33] <UncleCheese> yeah, don't judge on LA
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1031: [04:25:46] <UncleCheese> the goal is to spend as little time in LA as possible
1032: [04:25:59] <UncleCheese> it's a horrid place
1033: [04:26:00] <Colin[pi]> LA is kinda like mos eisley
1034: [04:26:02] <simon_w|air> I deliberately went direct to/from SFO so I didn't have to deal with LAX
1035: [04:26:06] <UncleCheese> good lord.. what do you do in Gore?
1036: [04:26:12] <Colin[pi]> UncleCheese: stab people
1037: [04:26:14] <irogue> UncleCheese: gay orgies
1038: [04:26:14] <Colin[pi]> ?
1039: [04:26:32] <simon_w|air> UncleCheese, roll your 'r's
1040: [04:26:36] <ss23> lol
1041: [04:26:38] <UncleCheese> ?
1042: [04:27:05] <irogue> http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10543283
1043: [04:27:16] <irogue> Gore is "Deep South"
1044: [04:27:38] <UncleCheese> wow
1045: [04:27:44] <irogue> so they really didn't much appreciate being jokingly given the title "Gay Capital of New Zealand" in '99
1046: [04:28:18] <UncleCheese> well, you've got fjordland right there.. that's nice
1047: [04:28:41] <Colin[pi]> irogue: so it's a rocking chair, banjo playing kind of town?
1048: [04:28:43] <UncleCheese> gives you plenty of space for wandering around aimlessly until you kill yourself
1049: [04:29:21] * masnun is now known as masnun|away
1050: [04:29:28] <ifusion> Hey guys, just need some help with silverstripe templating if anyone is free?
1051: [04:29:34] <ss23> ifusion: Ask away :)
1052: [04:29:37] <irogue> Colin[pi]: definitely
1053: [04:29:45] <ss23> ifusion: We talk about off topic things when no one has any on topic questions, just interupt us at any time
1054: [04:30:08] <irogue> http://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/8627/Gore-the-least-gay-town-in-New-Zealand
1055: [04:30:10] <ajmitch_> Colin[pi]: NZ country music awards are held in Gore
1056: [04:31:04] <irogue> haha, of course
1057: [04:31:44] <irogue> NZ country music awards seem kinda pointless - does Suzanne Prentice just give herself the award each year?
1058: [04:32:16] <UncleCheese> Ryan-Toast this looks spot on http://adhockery.blogspot.co.nz/2011/02/javascripts-history-object-pushstate.html
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1060: [04:32:33] <ifusion_> I'm new to silverstripe so bare with me lol - just created a homepage.ss file etc and have got everything working correctly, I just want to know how I go about making the different sections of the homepage editable, do I have to create regions for each part or? I creadted a question on stack that has pics etc: http://tinyurl.com/n27rlp5
1061: [04:33:43] <Hailwood> Hey guys, So subsites via mysite.com/subsite/... plausable or impossible?
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1064: [04:34:09] <simon_w|air> Hailwood, that sounds like a question for ss23. He's the subsites master ;)
1065: [04:35:08] <Hailwood> ss23 All Hail(wood) the subsites master! Any ideas?
1066: [04:35:25] <mahfuz> Hey guys is there any way to output 2nd Paragraph and onwards of $Content in template?
1067: [04:35:26] <ss23> :(
1068: [04:35:29] <ss23> I HATE SUBSITES
1069: [04:35:34] <ss23> Hailwood: Believe it's possible
1070: [04:35:39] <ss23> Not with subsites though
1071: [04:35:43] <ss23> multisites maybe?
1072: [04:36:06] <Hailwood> ss23, multisites?
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1074: [04:36:19] <Hailwood> sheadawson package?
1075: [04:36:31] <ss23> https://github.com/silverstripe-australia/silverstripe-multisites
1076: [04:36:33] <ss23> That one I think
1077: [04:36:36] <ss23> Hmm
1078: [04:36:48] <Hailwood> Ah, yeah the sheadawson was moved to ss-aus apparently
1079: [04:36:50] <ss23> Hailwood: Wouldn't be impossible to mangle subsites to support it if need be though
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1082: [04:38:06] <irogue> that guy needs to sit still so I can reply
1083: [04:38:17] <irogue> eh, I'll reply on SO
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1085: [04:38:51] <PapaBearNZ> Colin[pi]: Found the problem. I was being a bit brutal by changing the classname directly. I needed to use the function newClassInstance($newClassName) instead. Working now :)
1086: [04:40:05] <Colin[pi]> PapaBearNZ: lol knew it'd be something weird :D
1087: [04:40:11] <Colin[pi]> good to see you got it fixed
1088: [04:40:30] <adrexia> <irogue> and around Hamilton: http://www.trademe.co.nz/property/residential-property-for-sale/auction-881581359.htm
1089: [04:40:41] <adrexia> I could live in Hamilton if it meant living in a house like that
1090: [04:40:53] <ifusion1> Hey guys, just need some help with my silverstripe template, I am new to silverstripe. I have created a HomePage.ss file and everything is working good. I just want to know how you go about making multiple parts of the homepage editable, I have created a stack post with pics etc which might help? http://tinyurl.com/n27rlp5
1091: [04:41:21] <adrexia> ifusion1 do you have a HomePage.php file?
1092: [04:41:29] <adrexia> oh, you must
1093: [04:41:30] <adrexia> nvm
1094: [04:41:53] <adrexia> you just need to add the area you want as db fields
1095: [04:42:02] <adrexia> hmm...
1096: [04:42:30] <Colin[pi]> ifusion1: you can associate dataobjects, or you can also render child pages as content within the parent page as well
1097: [04:42:36] <Colin[pi]> there's a few ways to do it
1098: [04:42:55] <Colin[pi]> like, for example
1099: [04:42:57] <Colin[pi]> with the Articles
1100: [04:43:02] <Colin[pi]> you might have a page called News
1101: [04:43:08] <Colin[pi]> which is an ArticleHolder
1102: [04:43:13] <Colin[pi]> which contains Article pages
1103: [04:43:27] <adrexia> http://www.silverstripe.org/learn/lessons/adding-custom-fields-to-a-page
1104: [04:43:33] <Colin[pi]> the home page could then pull out the latest three Articles, and have it rendered in the tempalte
1105: [04:43:58] <Colin[pi]> i.e. HomePage_Controller would have a LatestArticles() method
1106: [04:44:03] <Colin[pi]> or something like that
1107: [04:44:45] <adrexia> here's what cwp's homepage looks like if that helps: https://gitlab.cwp.govt.nz/cwp/cwp/blob/master/code/pagetypes/BaseHomePage.php
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1109: [04:45:22] <adrexia> though it's a whole lot morte complex
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1111: [04:45:32] <Colin[pi]> adrexia: FeatureOne, FeatureTwo? yikes
1112: [04:45:36] <adrexia> yep
1113: [04:45:38] <adrexia> it's dumb
1114: [04:45:41] <Colin[pi]> that's awful
1115: [04:45:43] <Colin[pi]> lol
1116: [04:45:53] <adrexia> noone thought ... oh hey, we migth want more than that
1117: [04:46:01] <adrexia> ...and everyone does
1118: [04:46:03] <Colin[pi]> there are so many better ways that could be done :\
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1120: [04:46:23] <adrexia> but it... sort of staed life as an _example_
1121: [04:46:28] <Colin[pi]> eek
1122: [04:46:38] <adrexia> literally... the template code says 'example '
1123: [04:46:41] <adrexia> ;)
1124: [04:46:43] <Colin[pi]> LOL
1125: [04:46:49] <Colin[pi]> dat legacy
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1128: [04:46:54] <irogue> and it doesn't show in the CMS by default
1129: [04:46:55] <adrexia> Colin[pi], usually ripped out and replaced with a gridfield
1130: [04:47:16] <Colin[pi]> adrexia: yeah that'd be so much better
1131: [04:47:31] <Colin[pi]> irogue: oic now yeah it is hidden
1132: [04:47:50] <adrexia> yeah. usually clients want either completely custom features, many features or no featires
1133: [04:48:04] <adrexia> haven't had a client yet who wanted exactly 2 features ;)
1134: [04:48:14] <Colin[pi]> lol
1135: [04:48:14] <irogue> adrexia: theres a major cwp recpie release coming sometime soon, do a pull request :P
1136: [04:48:15] <adrexia> and I've built a whole lot of cwp sites
1137: [04:48:15] <ifusion> Sorry guys, it kept cutting me out of the irc chat when. I just asked this question, any help would be appreciated :) Hey guys, just need some help with my silverstripe template, I am new to silverstripe. I have created a HomePage.ss file and everything is working good. I just want to know how you go about making multiple parts of the homepage editable, I have created a stack post with pics etc which might help? http://tinyurl.com/n27rlp5
1138: [04:48:33] <Colin[pi]> ifusion: ... you didn't see our replies?
1139: [04:48:35] <adrexia> irogue they don't get merged
1140: [04:48:39] <adrexia> why bother
1141: [04:48:42] <adrexia> :P
1142: [04:48:59] <ifusion> nope, it cut me off before i could see them cause i was using the web irc client..
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1144: [04:49:06] <adrexia> logs?
1145: [04:49:10] <Colin[pi]> ifusion: http://logs.simon.geek.nz/index.php?date=2015-05-21#log_1649294
1146: [04:49:46] <ifusion> sweet, i will have a read :) thank you
1147: [04:50:50] <adrexia> lol. Here's the original cwp template Colin[pi] : https://github.com/silverstripe-labs/silverstripe-express-theme/blob/master/templates/Layout/ExpressHomePage.ss
1148: [04:50:57] <Colin[pi]> ifusion: the SS data model is quite flexible, you can create your own custom pages with associated data pretty quickly
1149: [04:50:58] <adrexia> <!-- Example row of columns -->
1150: [04:51:10] <Colin[pi]> haha
1151: [04:51:30] <Colin[pi]> yeah that looks like it was never intended for prime time :D
1152: [04:51:40] <irogue> SS Express!
1153: [04:51:51] <adrexia> the whole silverstripe express thing was a way to jumpstart certain types of projects. but a lot of it went into cwp wholesale
1154: [04:52:02] <adrexia> irogue, we all hated the name too ;)
1155: [04:52:27] <Colin[pi]> express was... what? a bunch of standard classes/templates?
1156: [04:52:34] <adrexia> yep
1157: [04:53:02] <adrexia> at the time there weren't a lot of modules that offered generic page types
1158: [04:53:16] <adrexia> which menat there also wasn't a lot in the way of examples dev's could follow
1159: [04:53:50] <adrexia> but, it's other name was "Government in a box". It was pre-cwp, but the idea was still around govt websites
1160: [04:54:27] <Colin[pi]> step 1. cut a hole in a box
1161: [04:54:37] <adrexia> lol
1162: [04:54:39] <Colin[pi]> ;)
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1165: [04:55:15] <Ryan-Toast> UncleCheese: Just got your message, did you give iut a test?
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1169: [05:03:38] <UncleCheese> Ryan-Toast nah, looks like he's singing the same blues as the rest of us
1170: [05:04:04] <Ryan-Toast> UncleCheese: I’m just going to use history.js, fuck it.
1171: [05:04:09] <UncleCheese> i think the key is to append ajax=1 to the ajax request, but push the normal url in pushState
1172: [05:04:16] <UncleCheese> they're saying history.js makes no difference
1173: [05:04:29] <Ryan-Toast> UncleCheese: I’ll give it a go, and then flip tables.
1174: [05:04:33] <UncleCheese> ha
1175: [05:04:40] <UncleCheese> let me know how you get on.. thanks for fighting the good fight
1176: [05:04:48] <UncleCheese> this is a really nasty one
1177: [05:05:03] <Ryan-Toast> UncleCheese: If not I’ll try the url params tomorrow.
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1190: [05:44:26] <mahfuz> Hey guys how can I merge two dataobjectlists ?
1191: [05:45:31] <mahfuz> I need to get one list as per a criteria and make them random order and get another one with a different criteria and then merge two of them to output in template
1192: [05:48:21] <irogue> I don't think there's an easy way to do that, as it's not a common thing to do. Can you not achieve it in one query?
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1194: [05:49:04] <adrexia> irogue, I don't know I've done a similar thing before
1195: [05:49:18] <adrexia> it involved pushing things into an arraylist
1196: [05:49:47] <Colin[pi]> isn't there something like ->addMany() ?
1197: [05:49:55] <Colin[pi]> or is that just to associate
1198: [05:49:57] <mahfuz> I need to make them in random order but keep a set on top of the other
1199: [05:50:42] <mahfuz> and output them in a loop in template
1200: [05:51:23] <adrexia> use to array on them both, join array, then push into arraydata then wrap in an arraylist??
1201: [05:52:17] <mahfuz> Thanks adrexia I will give it a try
1202: [05:52:51] <adrexia> I'm not sure what I was speaking made sense outside of my head... but let us knwo
1203: [05:52:52] <adrexia> :)
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1206: [06:09:42] <adrexia> actaully, reading that again, I'd probably just loop the method twice and pass it a template variable to sort by
1207: [06:10:08] <adrexia> or two seperate methods
1208: [06:10:37] <adrexia> if they need to end up in the template one after the other then there's no reason they need to be a single list in php
1209: [06:16:08] <adrexia> or even just have the default sort be random and then do something like <% loop $Thing().sort(Title) %> for the second loop
1210: [06:16:15] <adrexia> hehe, so many difefrent ways
1211: [06:17:09] <simon_w|air> Could also write a custom SQL query that UNIONs them together
1212: [06:17:19] <adrexia> yeah, you could
1213: [06:17:48] <simon_w|air> That was the approach used for some of this code :(
1214: [06:17:51] <adrexia> though, if it is purely presentational... I mean, isn't the point of Daatlists that the requests are cached?
1215: [06:17:53] <simon_w|air> There's a 4-way UNION
1216: [06:18:04] <adrexia> lols
1217: [06:19:02] <simon_w|air> Oh, and it's an SP
1218: [06:19:11] <simon_w|air> Where the union is built up using string operations
1219: [06:19:13] <adrexia> the thing I spend most of my timer on this days doesn't have a fancy ORM
1220: [06:19:38] <adrexia> or a real sense of... seperation of concerns
1221: [06:19:55] <adrexia> I've seen thigns I can not unsee
1222: [06:20:24] <simon_w|air> This code is almost 10 years old, and we're not allowed to go and fix up the older stuff
1223: [06:20:35] <adrexia> ...not allowed?
1224: [06:20:38] <adrexia> umm...
1225: [06:20:46] <simon_w|air> Client work is "more important"
1226: [06:20:55] <adrexia> what sort of developer would agree to that ? P:P
1227: [06:21:14] <adrexia> oh it always is to soemone
1228: [06:21:24] <simon_w|air> None of the developers are happy about it :p
1229: [06:21:32] <adrexia> but that sort of thinking leads to having no developers
1230: [06:21:38] * adrexia nods
1231: [06:21:48] <simon_w|air> Luckily, it's code we don't need to touch that often
1232: [06:22:48] <adrexia> make your people watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKYktDRoRxw\
1233: [06:23:03] <simon_w|air> Is that an Overmind?
1234: [06:23:08] * masnun is now known as masnun|away
1235: [06:23:14] <adrexia> a ...what?
1236: [06:23:38] <simon_w|air> From StarCraft
1237: [06:23:44] <simon_w|air> Controller of the Zerg hive mind
1238: [06:23:54] <adrexia> ahh
1239: [06:24:30] <adrexia> I googled it
1240: [06:24:38] <adrexia> it looks like one of the DnD monsters
1241: [06:24:51] <adrexia> anyway, home time
1242: [06:24:54] <adrexia> laterz
1243: [06:24:59] <simon_w|air> Seeya
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1261: [07:33:21] <Tanger> SPAWN MORE OVERLORDS
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1273: [08:19:10] <wmk> nontgor, o/
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1284: [08:48:02] <mobiusnz> is there a formfield that mimics the link insertion pane in the content editor?
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1288: [09:04:11] <wmk> mobiusnz, there are some link fields, did you search at addons page?
1289: [09:04:20] <wmk> dunno what functionality they bring with
1290: [09:05:35] <zauberfi1ch> mobiusnz: not sure what exactly you are looking for, but I use https://packagist.org/packages/lrc/silverstripe-link-field
1291: [09:06:17] <zauberfi1ch> it has a drodown to select a page or if you don't select a page you can also insert a url into a 2nd textfield
1292: [09:07:18] <mobiusnz> zauberfi1ch: ah yep, that could do
1293: [09:07:24] <zauberfi1ch> class Foo extends DataObject { private static $db = ['MyLink' => 'LinkField']; public static getCMSFields() { return new FieldList([new LinkFormField('MyLink', 'Some Link to somewhere')]); }}
1294: [09:08:16] <zauberfi1ch> what it is missing is being able to link to an asset. but my clients almost never need them. and when they do, I tell them to create a RedirectorPage that redirects to the file and select that page.
1295: [09:08:22] <zauberfi1ch> kind of silly, but works
1296: [09:08:35] <mobiusnz> sweet
1297: [09:09:21] <mobiusnz> dammit, where can I find the variables available to a dataobject in a loop?
1298: [09:09:26] <mobiusnz> I'm sure there was a page somewhere
1299: [09:09:34] <zauberfi1ch> what do you mean?
1300: [09:09:41] <mobiusnz> like $Pos
1301: [09:10:42] <mobiusnz> it is possible to use them in php methods, right?
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1303: [09:16:02] <zauberfi1ch> mobiusnz: probably is, but to be honest, I can't recall
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1310: [09:27:30] <Mike123> hey guys :)
1311: [09:27:58] <Mike123> is there any solutions to make some pages as bottom menu only ?
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1313: [09:30:55] <zauberfi1ch> Mike123: yes
1314: [09:30:57] <Mike123> i mean, i need to create some pages that will be only shown in bottom
1315: [09:31:00] <zauberfi1ch> many different ones
1316: [09:31:12] <mobiusnz> zauberfi1ch: figured it out: http://www.sspaste.com/paste/show/555da5cb956c9
1317: [09:31:14] <Mike123> is there the easy one ? :)
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1319: [09:31:26] <zauberfi1ch> I usually do the following: add a checkbox to Page "ShowInFooter"
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1321: [09:31:57] <zauberfi1ch> so if a user wants to put a pate into footer only, he can uncheck "ShowInMenus" and check "ShowInFooter"
1322: [09:32:09] <zauberfi1ch> and for the footer I do:
1323: [09:32:27] <zauberfi1ch> public function FooterMenu() { return Page::get()->filter('ShowInFooter', 1); }
1324: [09:32:50] <zauberfi1ch> <% loop FooterMenu %><a href="$Link">$MenuTitle</a><% end_loop %>
1325: [09:32:59] <Mike123> and if he will check both ? would it be shown in both sides ?
1326: [09:33:07] <Mike123> hmm very good solution indeed :-)
1327: [09:37:25] <Mike123> and how should i change menu(1) function for top menus ?
1328: [09:37:37] <UncleCheese> <% loop $FooterMenu %>
1329: [09:37:46] <UncleCheese> zauberfi1ch don't be so 2009
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1331: [09:41:32] <elgabbu> i have setup a url handler in a page controller as follows ... '$season!' => 'seasonPage'
1332: [09:44:01] <elgabbu> the handler is intended to process /live-tournament/wsop/2006 .... were /live-tournament/wsop is the URLSegment of a page .... and 2006 is the $season parameter defined by the url_handler
1333: [09:44:39] <elgabbu> when hitting /live-tournament/wsop/2006 everything is fine ... seasonPage function is invoke and I can retrieve the season parameter with $request->param('season);
1334: [09:44:40] <mobiusnz> any ideas why $Image would work, but $Image.SetSize(100,200) doesn't?
1335: [09:44:52] <ss23> Not writable assets?
1336: [09:45:10] <elgabbu> but when hitting just the URLSegment i.e. /live-tournaments/wsop .... the seasonPage function is still being invoked
1337: [09:45:25] <mobiusnz> ss23: it's all 777
1338: [09:45:54] <elgabbu> according to the documentation the ! after the parameter should only match the rule if the parameter is present
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1340: [09:46:18] <mobiusnz> and owned by _www
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1342: [09:57:05] <irogue> mobiusnz: basically has to either be no GD or can't write to the _resampled folder
1343: [09:57:43] <mobiusnz> hmm, could be no gd
1344: [09:57:46] <mobiusnz> will check
1345: [09:59:47] <kinglozzer> Help
1346: [09:59:51] <kinglozzer> client has found codecanyon
1347: [10:00:28] <kinglozzer> wants all the scripts
1348: [10:02:05] <zauberfi1ch> UncleCheese: lul
1349: [10:02:17] <zauberfi1ch> UncleCheese: what do the cool kids do these days then?
1350: [10:02:27] <irogue> kinglozzer: RUN AWAY
1351: [10:02:36] <zauberfi1ch> kinglozzer: haha
1352: [10:02:42] <irogue> zauberfi1ch: $FooterMenu instead of FooterMenu :)
1353: [10:02:48] <zauberfi1ch> kinglozzer: your day just got a lot more fun
1354: [10:02:58] <zauberfi1ch> irogue: di I miss the $?
1355: [10:03:00] <zauberfi1ch> oh, indeed
1356: [10:03:11] <zauberfi1ch> yeah, I use $ all the time usually. must have been a typo
1357: [10:03:45] <mobiusnz> gah, installed gd. no dice
1358: [10:03:49] <mobiusnz> no error or nothing
1359: [10:03:51] <mobiusnz> just no image
1360: [10:03:54] <mobiusnz> :/
1361: [10:07:16] <kinglozzer> http://www.designchemical.com/blog/index.php/premium-jquery-plugins/jquery-social-stream-plugin-full-page-responsive-network-wall/ :/
1362: [10:08:13] <irogue> Stomach: I see you there, starrin' my shiz
1363: [10:08:26] <Stomach> :D
1364: [10:08:55] <elgabbu> would really appreciate some feedback with my issue guys thanks :)
1365: [10:09:13] * UncleCheese 15 year Oban
1366: [10:10:34] <ss23> Running reboot on your bounce box instead of remote server - http://gfycat.com/RequiredUnkemptBuzzard
1367: [10:10:51] <UncleCheese> elgabbu i'll have a look
1368: [10:11:45] <elgabbu> thanks
1369: [10:12:32] <kinglozzer> irogue: After dat bounty?
1370: [10:12:33] <kinglozzer> :P
1371: [10:12:49] <irogue> kinglozzer: hells yeah :P
1372: [10:13:33] <irogue> i'm trying to do some OSS contributions, but the bounty helped ;)
1373: [10:14:02] <kinglozzer> Haha, I was considering doing it tbf :P
1374: [10:14:58] <ss23> Bounty?!
1375: [10:15:06] <irogue> ss23: too slow
1376: [10:15:09] <ss23> Are you seriously saying I can farm out my OSS bugs clients are willing to pay for...
1377: [10:15:17] <ss23> Cause I have some her ethat are like 4 hours work that I'd give $100 bounties for
1378: [10:15:18] <UncleCheese> tht bounty site looks cool
1379: [10:15:20] <ss23> I'll still come out positive
1380: [10:15:20] <ss23> :D
1381: [10:15:22] <UncleCheese> i had that idea ages ago
1382: [10:15:24] <irogue> ss23: https://www.bountysource.com/issues/15272150-many_many_extrafields-not-shown
1383: [10:16:01] <UncleCheese> kind of poisons the whole open source ideology, though
1384: [10:16:09] <ss23> I wouldn't say so :O
1385: [10:16:31] <ss23> Things aren't inherintly worse when there's money involved
1386: [10:16:56] <UncleCheese> elgabbu i think the ! flag doesn't work as well as you'd expect
1387: [10:17:23] <UncleCheese> it's probably best suited for nested rules like /something/$somethingElse!/anotherThing
1388: [10:17:25] <elgabbu> @UncleCheese so it seems
1389: [10:17:29] <UncleCheese> for instance
1390: [10:17:38] <UncleCheese> the default url_handler '$Action!'
1391: [10:17:47] <UncleCheese> i think maps to index if it's empty
1392: [10:17:58] <UncleCheese> which is still an "action"
1393: [10:18:03] <UncleCheese> so to solve
1394: [10:18:09] <UncleCheese> create a url_handler for ''
1395: [10:18:11] <irogue> ss23: you could always try putting them up there and see if anyone feels like doing them :P
1396: [10:18:15] <UncleCheese> and map it to index
1397: [10:19:16] <irogue> rofl, IBM posting bounties https://www.bountysource.com/issues/14306991-implement-gold-backend-support-for-ibm-z-systems
1398: [10:19:31] <UncleCheese> i think the crux of the issue is that your $Season == '', and the request handler is probably checking if $Season !== null
1399: [10:19:59] <ss23> lol
1400: [10:20:08] <ss23> I especially like how it's like "Well we have some shit for it but it sucks", irogue
1401: [10:20:11] <ss23> @ IBM one
1402: [10:20:50] <elgabbu> yeah i had started looking into the findAction in RequestHandler to try to understand why its matching the wrong action
1403: [10:21:04] <ss-helper> SilverStripe wysiwyg style constraints - http://stackoverflow.com/questions/30129379/silverstripe-wysiwyg-style-constraints
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1408: [10:52:32] <Mike123> how to change assets path ? when i add image Through WYSYWIG i could not load the image assets/.../... , in source when i change to /assets/.../.. everything works
1409: [10:54:12] <zippy> Mike123: I thnk you need to set the base tab
1410: [10:54:14] <zippy> base tag
1411: [10:54:32] <Mike123> wgere ?
1412: [10:54:35] <Mike123> where ?
1413: [10:54:53] <zippy> add in <% base_tag %>
1414: [10:54:56] <zippy> in your page template
1415: [10:55:20] <zippy> http://docs.silverstripe.org/en/developer_guides/templates/common_variables/#base-tag
1416: [10:55:25] <Mike123> but in header or wheere exactly
1417: [10:56:18] <zippy> yes it goes in the <head> section
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1419: [11:01:08] <zippy> Mike123: sweet?
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1421: [11:05:18] <ss23> http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/this-is-what-happens-when-you-let-new-zealanders-make-their-own-flag
1422: [11:07:32] <zippy> ss23: you put any up?
1423: [11:08:18] <ss23> lol naw
1424: [11:08:21] <ss23> but we get to see the moderated ones
1425: [11:08:25] <ss23> is awesome
1426: [11:10:01] <zippy> can you recall how to access a relations relation
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1431: [11:37:19] <ss-helper> Barclays ePDQ - http://www.silverstripe.org/community/forums/payments-and-payment-gateway-apis/show/101773
1432: [11:45:26] <kinglozzer> Hahaha ss23, those flags are amazing
1433: [11:45:32] <ss23> :D
1434: [11:46:18] <kinglozzer> http://vice-images.vice.com/images/content-images/2015/05/20/this-is-what-happens-when-you-let-new-zealanders-make-their-own-flag-body-image-1432098522.jpg
1435: [11:46:20] <kinglozzer> great effort
1436: [11:47:22] * kinglozzer lunch
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1438: [11:47:55] <ss23> so glad they're hosting those flags themselves
1439: [11:47:55] <ss23> like
1440: [11:48:03] <ss23> that flag site is pushing 50mbit constantly
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1444: [12:02:24] <elgabbu> UncleCheese i was able to corner the problem to this line HTTPRequest Line 470
1445: [12:02:55] <elgabbu> It was .... if($varRequired && !isset($this->dirParts[$i])) return false;
1446: [12:03:22] <elgabbu> I fixed the issue by changing it to if($varRequired && empty($this->dirParts[$i])) return false;
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1451: [12:22:31] <ss-helper> DataObject as Page - Not passing variables? - http://www.silverstripe.org/community/forums/customising-the-cms/show/101774
1452: [12:37:36] <ss-helper> Re: Server Error after installing Google site maps module - http://www.silverstripe.org/community/forums/all-other-modules/show/101768#post401637
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1454: [13:07:44] <ss-helper> How to Re-install SilverStripe or Installing Multiple SilverStripe Project on WAMP - http://www.silverstripe.org/community/forums/installing-silverstripe/show/101776
1455: [13:07:45] <ss-helper> How to Re-install SilverStripe or Installing Multiple SilverStripe Project on WAMP - http://www.silverstripe.org/community/forums/installing-silverstripe/show/101775
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1461: [13:37:53] <ss-helper> Re: How to Re-install SilverStripe or Installing Multiple SilverStripe Project on WAMP - http://www.silverstripe.org/community/forums/installing-silverstripe/show/101776#post401640
1462: [13:37:53] <ss-helper> Filter Records by a function on the model. [solved] - http://www.silverstripe.org/community/forums/data-model-questions/show/101753
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1464: [14:08:30] <muskie9> best csv import error message ever... http://puu.sh/hVi67/634bc8d2ec.png
1465: [14:22:55] <swaiba> muskie9 - better than a white screen of death? :)
1466: [14:26:24] <kinglozzer> muskie9: https://twitter.com/kinglozzer/status/403137603916292096
1467: [14:28:21] <swaiba> I feel like linking to the http://thedailywtf.com/series/pop-up-potpourri - so I will
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1470: [14:35:35] <muskie9> kinglozzer lolz "Something happened"...
1471: [14:53:13] <ss-helper> mathspamprotection in site with translatable - http://www.silverstripe.org/community/forums/general-questions/show/101777
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1473: [15:06:40] <Pybdayk> ss23: search dun broked
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1475: [15:23:22] <ss-helper> Re: Recommended Frontend framework - http://www.silverstripe.org/community/forums/general-questions/show/101771#post401645
1476: [15:23:22] <ss-helper> Re: Barclays ePDQ - http://www.silverstripe.org/community/forums/payments-and-payment-gateway-apis/show/101773#post401644
1477: [15:23:22] <ss-helper> Re: mathspamprotection in site with translatable - http://www.silverstripe.org/community/forums/general-questions/show/101777#post401643
1478: [15:23:22] <ss-helper> Re: How to Re-install SilverStripe or Installing Multiple SilverStripe Project on WAMP - http://www.silverstripe.org/community/forums/installing-silverstripe/show/101776#post401642
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1481: [15:30:31] <muskie9> this is probably a dumb question, but I have a 2 DO's related via m_m and b_m_m with a m_m_extraField... each of the m_m's relation has an extra field that is unique and won't be duplicated in any other m_m relation... is that extra field indexable, or is that something you wouldn't do in a join table
1482: [15:31:27] <catcher> muskie9, will you ever be indexing with that field?
1483: [15:32:12] <Pybdayk> muskie9: non-unique index, yeh. Should be doable.
1484: [15:32:46] <Pybdayk> actually... dunno if SS will let you, because it's a generated table (not specified/declared anyway, so can't use table_options or whatever that config setting is)
1485: [15:32:56] <Pybdayk> but yeah you could add one
1486: [15:34:15] <muskie9> I was digging around in DataObject.php and wasn't sure with the indexing functions if the join table field could be or how that would work... looked like it was just referencing fields not in the relation and didn't check many_many relation fields... I could've been looking in the wrong spot though
1487: [15:38:25] <ss-helper> Re: Best way to make homepage editable in the CMS? - http://www.silverstripe.org/community/forums/template-questions/show/101770#post401648
1488: [15:38:26] <ss-helper> Re: Recommended Frontend framework - http://www.silverstripe.org/community/forums/general-questions/show/101771#post401647
1489: [15:38:26] <ss-helper> Re: DataObject as Page - Not passing variables? - http://www.silverstripe.org/community/forums/customising-the-cms/show/101774#post401646
1490: [15:53:30] <ss-helper> Re: DataObject as Page - Not passing variables? - http://www.silverstripe.org/community/forums/customising-the-cms/show/101774#post401649
1491: [15:53:39] <kinglozzer> Rofl, the thread of gifs here: https://github.com/composer/composer/commit/ac676f47f7bbc619678a29deae097b6b0710b799
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1498: [16:08:34] <ss-helper> Re: Barclays ePDQ - http://www.silverstripe.org/community/forums/payments-and-payment-gateway-apis/show/101773#post401650
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1504: [16:23:38] <ss-helper> Re: Barclays ePDQ - http://www.silverstripe.org/community/forums/payments-and-payment-gateway-apis/show/101773#post401652
1505: [16:23:39] <ss-helper> Re: DataObject as Page - Not passing variables? - http://www.silverstripe.org/community/forums/customising-the-cms/show/101774#post401651
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1511: [16:51:24] <NETim> Morning, trying to get the ID of a linked object when creating a new relation
1512: [16:53:46] <ss-helper> Re: mathspamprotection in site with translatable - http://www.silverstripe.org/community/forums/general-questions/show/101777#post401654
1513: [16:53:47] <ss-helper> Re: mathspamprotection in site with translatable - http://www.silverstripe.org/community/forums/general-questions/show/101777#post401653
1514: [16:54:52] <muskie9> NETim like Page h_m DataObject and want the Page's ID?
1515: [17:05:51] <muskie9> $pageID = ($this->relationNameID != 0) ? $this->relationNameID : Session::get('CMSMain.currentPage');
1516: [17:05:54] <muskie9> NETim ^
1517: [17:06:54] <muskie9> assuming you're in 3.1.x that should work to get the related page ID for new related objects
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1521: [17:54:04] <ss-helper> Re: DataObject as Page - Not passing variables? - http://www.silverstripe.org/community/forums/customising-the-cms/show/101774#post401655
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1528: [18:03:13] <Matt___> Hi all
1529: [18:03:49] <Matt___> I'm having a slight issue with the admin side of things. It works fine, but randomly stops navigating. Looking at the error console in Chrome, I see the following: "Synchronous XMLHttpRequest on the main thread is deprecated because of its detrimental effects to the end user's experience. For more help, check http://xhr.spec.whatwg.org/"
1530: [18:03:55] <Matt___> How can I get around this please? :)
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1532: [18:39:15] <ss-helper> Admin Not Navigating - http://www.silverstripe.org/community/forums/general-questions/show/101778
1533: [18:41:40] <Matt___> Thanks @ss-helper - that's my own post!
1534: [18:42:42] <muskie9> Matt___ does it look like it's loading then doesn't update the page window?
1535: [18:42:52] <muskie9> I've had that happen before, never tracked down the issue though
1536: [18:43:20] <Matt___> Yep
1537: [18:43:36] <Matt___> I get the 3 little dots, the URL changes in the address bar, but the actual page stays as it was
1538: [18:43:40] <muskie9> yup
1539: [18:44:41] <muskie9> usually happens on our lower hosting plans
1540: [18:44:58] <muskie9> gets worse if the client has slow interwebz
1541: [18:45:42] <Matt___> =/
1542: [18:45:50] <Matt___> It's only started happening today, has been fine until now
1543: [18:46:09] <Matt___> Worries me a little - don't particularly want to hand over the site with it like that
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1545: [18:46:51] <muskie9> not sure if 3.1.13-RC1 addresses it, but could be worth a shot
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1548: [18:48:18] <Matt___> Doesn't say it's a fix in the change log
1549: [18:50:48] <Matt___> Appreciate the help though
1550: [18:54:19] <ss-helper> n as the lovably dim-witted A - http://www.silverstripe.org/community/forums/installing-silverstripe/show/101779
1551: [18:54:48] <muskie9> know it wasn't much help, but at least we know it's a common issue... wonder if there's a ticket in github for it
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1553: [18:55:16] <Matt___> No idea sorry
1554: [18:55:27] <Matt___> Nice topic ss-helper - maybe that one needs to be removed though!
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1571: [20:37:41] <antmas> te ata pai katoa o/
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1573: [20:41:16] <antmas> zippy: big pile up yesterday in stoke
1574: [20:41:22] <zippy> yea?
1575: [20:42:35] <zippy> 3 car eh
1576: [20:43:26] <zippy> http://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/news/68743163/soggy-end-to-invercargill-test-drive
1577: [20:43:34] <zippy> David Sutton, who said he was driving, explained the incident by saying ``I got stuck."
1578: [20:43:35] <zippy> hahahaha
1579: [20:44:00] <antmas> lol
1580: [20:44:05] <antmas> zippy: yeah, check nelson mail
1581: [20:44:23] <zippy> yea I saw it
1582: [20:44:57] <antmas> was it by that industrial park exit road?
1583: [20:45:13] <antmas> that intersection is dodgy as around that time
1584: [20:48:06] <zippy> not sure, it looked along that that road from the pic
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1588: [20:58:30] <zippy> Stomach: man... at 30/4 was like waaaatttt but then woke up and meh, let them off a bit eh!
1589: [20:58:53] <zippy> I thought we'd have rolled them for sub 200
1590: [20:59:23] <Stomach> yeah :(
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1594: [21:02:39] <DanaeNZ> morning all
1595: [21:02:58] <DanaeNZ> so when are we going to get something that injects caffeine directly to our bloodstream?
1596: [21:03:21] <Ryan-Toast> Cocaine.
1597: [21:05:46] <DanaeNZ> aha
1598: [21:06:52] <irogue> mornin' all
1599: [21:06:53] <Ryan-Toast> Stomach: Hey, I noticed browserify loads requires in alphabetical order, is there a config to change that? Can’t seem to find it in the docs
1600: [21:07:10] <Stomach> does it matter?
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1602: [21:07:24] <Ryan-Toast> Not really.
1603: [21:07:27] <Stomach> lol
1604: [21:07:34] <Stomach> it loads them alphabetically
1605: [21:07:44] <Ryan-Toast> but some older plugins don’t wrap their functions in a jquer thing.
1606: [21:07:48] <Stomach> but the way that "require(xxx)" works will actually pull that in
1607: [21:07:54] <Stomach> Ryan-Toast - in that case use a shim!
1608: [21:08:02] <Ryan-Toast> ugggggghhhhhh
1609: [21:08:04] <Ryan-Toast> :P
1610: [21:08:05] <Stomach> https://github.com/thlorenz/browserify-shim
1611: [21:09:53] <antmas> woah, VS2015 enterprise is $5k :O
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1613: [21:17:37] <antmas> uco/
1614: [21:17:39] <antmas> Ryan-Toast: o/
1615: [21:17:42] <antmas> DanaeNZ: o/
1616: [21:17:54] <antmas> UncleCheese: o/*
1617: [21:17:57] <UncleCheese> jo
1618: [21:17:57] <DanaeNZ> antmas: \o
1619: [21:18:05] <DanaeNZ> why does UC get a flower
1620: [21:19:30] <antmas> lol
1621: [21:19:38] <antmas> I made a typo
1622: [21:19:41] <antmas> uco/
1623: [21:19:55] <antmas> but he gets flowers anyway to mourn the loss of his offer on a house
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1626: [21:26:10] <antmas> willr: veb o/
1627: [21:26:27] <willr> howdey
1628: [21:26:36] <willr> what’s happenin
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1630: [21:27:07] <antmas> willr: I see you guys are looking for dev(s)?
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1632: [21:27:41] <willr> Yep! 2 open positions. I was just about to post it to @ssjobs
1633: [21:27:54] <willr> I need more friends :)
1634: [21:27:57] <irogue> lol
1635: [21:28:06] <antmas> :P
1636: [21:28:21] <antmas> willr: auck or welli?
1637: [21:29:03] <willr> either. Though the entire dev team is in wellington currently and either me or another guy flys up either other week to do AK meetings etc
1638: [21:29:41] <willr> We’ve also got 2 guys down south so remote while not ideal, we can make it work for the right people
1639: [21:29:44] <antmas> willr: would you ever take on remote devs? I'm not applying :P but at some point at the end of the year I'd be looking
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1641: [21:31:06] <antmas_> bah, stupid ie crash
1642: [21:31:08] <willr> Remotes fine. We’re used to dealing with people not being in Welly. Even if I’m in town I don’t always work out of the office. Work from home 2 days a week so I can actually do stuff
1643: [21:31:20] <veb> antmas_: IE? no job for you!
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1646: [21:33:22] <antmas__> it's an antmas party!
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1648: [21:34:00] <antmas__> willr: hmmm, had much interest in the roles yet?
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1653: [21:37:20] <willr> Yeah always get a bunch when they see it but not always from the type of people we want / like
1654: [21:38:22] <UncleCheese> Ryan-Toast can you try this? http://sspaste.com/paste/show/555e5020dfd65
1655: [21:38:41] <willr> Please do :) flick me an email if you’d like an interview of what it’ll involve and some of the work we’re doing
1656: [21:39:14] <antmas> willr: what's ya email?
1657: [21:39:46] <willr> will.rossiter@dna.co.nz
1658: [21:39:51] <antmas> willr: chur
1659: [21:39:53] <Ryan-Toast> UncleCheese: Will do
1660: [21:39:59] <UncleCheese> make sure you clear your cache
1661: [21:40:07] <UncleCheese> that's seems to be the key
1662: [21:42:41] <Ryan-Toast> UncleCheese: Doing a hard reset now.
1663: [21:42:46] <UncleCheese> sweet as
1664: [21:42:57] <antmas> willr: done :)
1665: [21:43:15] <Ryan-Toast> UncleCheese: IT WORKS
1666: [21:43:20] <UncleCheese> nice
1667: [21:43:20] <Ryan-Toast> HUZZAH
1668: [21:43:27] <Ryan-Toast> UncleCheese: Do you know what’s depressing?
1669: [21:43:30] <UncleCheese> hmm
1670: [21:43:37] <UncleCheese> paying $535,000 for a house?
1671: [21:43:46] <Ryan-Toast> I tried something like this yesterday… but I didn’t clear my cache ;(
1672: [21:43:51] <UncleCheese> oh noes!
1673: [21:43:59] <UncleCheese> yeah, that's what happened to me too
1674: [21:44:03] * Ryan-Toast hih-fives UC
1675: [21:44:04] <UncleCheese> and i was like fuck, that can't be right
1676: [21:44:23] <UncleCheese> and then i thought of the caching.. that's what makes chrome so fast.. it caches urls really intelligently
1677: [21:44:27] <UncleCheese> but i guess too much so :)
1678: [21:44:33] <Ryan-Toast> TOO MUCH, CHROME.
1679: [21:44:34] <Ryan-Toast> TOO MUCH
1680: [21:44:43] <UncleCheese> turn down the chrome
1681: [21:44:50] <antmas> Ryan-Toast: was this from the issue from yesterday?
1682: [21:44:57] <UncleCheese> yeah
1683: [21:45:05] <Ryan-Toast> antmas: yeah
1684: [21:45:19] <antmas> specific to chrome?
1685: [21:45:31] <Ryan-Toast> Unclecheee: mmm it’s so pretty
1686: [21:46:39] <Ryan-Toast> antmas: yes.
1687: [21:46:46] <adrexia> <DanaeNZ> so when are we going to get something that injects caffeine directly to our bloodstream?
1688: [21:46:48] <adrexia> I need this too
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1690: [21:47:36] <Ryan-Toast> antmas: http://www.gfycat.com/WatchfulSameGonolek
1691: [21:48:24] <antmas> Ryan-Toast: ooooooooooooooooooooh
1692: [21:48:28] <antmas> that's nice
1693: [21:49:20] <UncleCheese> anyone in NZ looking for a gig?
1694: [21:49:30] <Ryan-Toast> UncleCheese: what kind of gig?
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1696: [21:49:34] <Ryan-Toast> I can play the triangle.
1697: [21:49:41] <UncleCheese> my buddy in the USA just posted this job.. work from home. https://bandzoogle.com/jobs/201505-support
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1699: [21:50:04] <UncleCheese> they're a SASS that provides websites for bands
1700: [21:50:17] <UncleCheese> everyone works remotely, and they need a support team in this timezone
1701: [21:50:19] <antmas> UncleCheese: kinda random
1702: [21:50:22] <UncleCheese> yeah it is
1703: [21:50:23] <UncleCheese> but hey
1704: [21:50:31] <antmas> what would the money be?
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1706: [21:50:39] <UncleCheese> they're actually pretty big.. they do some major bands
1707: [21:51:17] <UncleCheese> no idea
1708: [21:51:29] <UncleCheese> 8pm to 4am EST is 12PM - 8PM NZST
1709: [21:51:51] <veb> https://play.google.com
1710: [21:51:55] <veb> anyone else load it?
1711: [21:52:03] <antmas> veb: yes
1712: [21:52:08] <veb> I'm getting secure connection failed
1713: [21:52:11] <veb> odd
1714: [21:52:25] <veb> just released android app yesterday
1715: [21:52:44] <adrexia> yeah?
1716: [21:52:52] <antmas> UncleCheese: what would you expect it to be? A friend of mine just left his support role and is looking, although travelling over seas in a year ( I think)
1717: [21:53:02] <UncleCheese> let me find out
1718: [21:53:16] <antmas> veb: for that photo company thingy?
1719: [21:53:21] <veb> mm
1720: [21:53:25] <veb> seriously, I can't load it
1721: [21:53:41] <adrexia> tried multiple browsers?
1722: [21:53:44] <antmas> veb: installing happymoose now
1723: [21:53:48] <veb> :P
1724: [21:53:50] <veb> thanks
1725: [21:53:56] <veb> adrexia: first thing I did
1726: [21:54:05] <adrexia> yeah, figured
1727: [21:54:06] <antmas> i like your review at the bottom :P
1728: [21:54:10] <veb> ha
1729: [21:54:16] <antmas> so subtle
1730: [21:54:17] <antmas> ;)
1731: [21:54:23] <veb> hey it's what got me to get in touch
1732: [21:54:23] <adrexia> works for all the browsers I have anyway
1733: [21:54:32] <veb> antmas: it's actually not a lie
1734: [21:54:33] <veb> lol
1735: [21:54:34] <antmas> yeah same here
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1737: [21:54:57] <adrexia> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.twozelex.happymoose ?
1738: [21:55:08] <Ryan-Toast> I can see it
1739: [21:55:08] <antmas> yup
1740: [21:55:28] <veb> this is bizarreeeeee
1741: [21:55:30] <adrexia> "Where has this been all my life?"
1742: [21:55:32] <irogue> veb: are you on a corporate network that might be intercepting https? google generally detects that and throws an insecure wobbly
1743: [21:55:33] <adrexia> lols
1744: [21:55:38] <veb> irogue: no
1745: [21:55:40] <veb> https://www.dropbox.com/s/j2lq4nutia75kh7/Screenshot%202015-05-22%2009.55.34.png?dl=0
1746: [21:55:41] <veb> wait
1747: [21:55:47] <veb> let me check who i'm connected to
1748: [21:55:49] <veb> lol
1749: [21:55:51] <antmas> yeah our network goes all fucky with google stores/apps
1750: [21:55:54] <veb> "penguin eater"
1751: [21:56:01] <veb> yes connected to the right network
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1753: [21:56:13] <veb> brb
1754: [21:56:16] <veb> changing ISPs
1755: [21:56:19] * veb quit (Quit: veb-irc: quit)
1756: [21:56:28] <irogue> antmas: means your I.T. are trying to intercept all your HTTPS traffic :P
1757: [21:56:28] <antmas> veb: no intro screen? goes straight to products
1758: [21:56:45] <adrexia> <irogue> antmas: means your I.T. are trying to intercept all your HTTPS traffic :
1759: [21:56:49] * muskie9 has joined #silverstripe
1760: [21:56:50] <adrexia> thjat's pretty dodge
1761: [21:56:58] * veb has joined #silverstripe
1762: [21:57:05] <veb> k I'm on Spark now
1763: [21:57:11] <veb> lolslow
1764: [21:57:23] <irogue> I used to tech support a product that did it, anyone but schools who did it I silently judged them
1765: [21:57:27] <antmas> adrexia: irogue lol nah they're just nazis about us potentially using file sharing
1766: [21:57:37] <veb> oh come on
1767: [21:57:39] <veb> on Spark it's just "Loading..."
1768: [21:57:51] <veb> :\
1769: [21:57:56] <veb> hmmmmmm
1770: [21:57:58] <antmas> veb: question, can you use the camera in the app? or do you need to select from already taken photos?
1771: [21:58:05] <veb> taken photo
1772: [21:58:06] <irogue> veb: using custom DNS or AntiVirus that might be doing something wanky with your network traffic?
1773: [21:58:06] <adrexia> antmas - but https exists foir a bunch of reasons
1774: [21:58:13] <veb> irogue: just wondered about DNS too
1775: [21:58:18] <veb> irogue: brb again
1776: [21:58:19] <adrexia> most of them pretty ...important
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1778: [21:58:53] <irogue> yeah its one of those "I wouldn't want to work for a company who do this" situations
1779: [21:59:01] <irogue> tho I kinda do, but indirectly :P
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1782: [21:59:33] * veb_ doesn't look happy
1783: [21:59:35] <adrexia> It's pretty dodgy
1784: [21:59:50] <antmas> adrexia: they're not monitoring our https, all they're doing is blocking file sharing sites :P
1785: [21:59:50] <adrexia> it'd be better to just straight out block https websites
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1787: [21:59:53] <veb_> this is weird
1788: [22:00:08] <irogue> antmas: thats what they say anyway :P
1789: [22:00:10] * veb_ does the facebook test
1790: [22:00:14] <veb_> which doesn't work either
1791: [22:00:16] <veb_> uMMM
1792: [22:00:26] <veb_> IRC is *ALWAYS* the most secure fucking thing
1793: [22:00:28] <veb_> lol
1794: [22:00:30] <antmas> irogue: I just asked them :P they sit pretty close to me
1795: [22:00:52] <veb_> https://www.dropbox.com/s/1jhjj7wh0s1wp32/Screenshot%202015-05-22%2010.00.44.png?dl=0
1796: [22:00:54] <adrexia> antmas, I'd tell you the same. It'd be awkward otherwise ;)
1797: [22:00:57] <veb_> seems like dropbox works
1798: [22:01:03] <irogue> bet I'd have zero trouble using filesharing on that network anyway antmas ;)
1799: [22:01:15] <irogue> there's checkboxes in most torrent software that makes it look like any other HTTPS traffic
1800: [22:01:21] <veb_> fuck
1801: [22:01:25] <veb_> works in safari
1802: [22:01:29] <veb_> wonder what happened to FF
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1804: [22:01:38] <adrexia> what is it with employers not trusting employee's to be adults?
1805: [22:01:42] <veb_> I hate FF, I dunno why I use it
1806: [22:01:51] <irogue> veb_: idk why you'd use it either!
1807: [22:01:57] <veb_> k killed via command line and shit
1808: [22:01:58] <adrexia> lol
1809: [22:02:04] <veb_> irogue: I got friends who work at Mozilla
1810: [22:02:07] <veb_> and I gotta be nice
1811: [22:02:08] <veb_> :p
1812: [22:02:12] <veb_> I prefer Safari
1813: [22:02:22] <antmas> irogue: oh yeah it's fine for me, just 99% of our other users do stupid stuff with drive/onedrive/dropbox
1814: [22:02:26] <irogue> I've always *wanted* to like Firefox, cos Mozilla have good intentions
1815: [22:02:27] <veb_> goddamnit
1816: [22:02:37] <veb_> description ain't updated
1817: [22:02:43] * veb quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)
1818: [22:02:46] <irogue> but it's just SO BAD
1819: [22:02:47] <adrexia> antmas you're not allowed to use dropbox?
1820: [22:02:47] <veb_> irogue: yeah me too, but back in the day they kept losing my bookmarks
1821: [22:02:55] <adrexia> or drive
1822: [22:03:09] <veb_> irogue: and then recently, I did that sync thing and then I ... lost my shit, and they didn't back it up cos that ain't what sync is for
1823: [22:03:11] * veb_ sighed
1824: [22:03:24] <veb_> hey antmas go rate pls
1825: [22:03:29] <antmas> adrexia: we have a custom built one. I can use whatever (all of us in IS/IT anyway), but our other staff can't
1826: [22:03:50] <adrexia> ahh yeah, that's a common thing people do
1827: [22:03:57] <antmas> mm
1828: [22:04:17] <antmas> some people were syncing up all kinds of crap and using massive bandwidth for personal items
1829: [22:04:25] <adrexia> give IT more rigths than otehrs
1830: [22:04:34] <irogue> antmas: the way we deal with that is John just yells at people
1831: [22:04:36] <antmas> so the policy banhammer came down hard
1832: [22:04:41] <adrexia> did they know they shouldn't?
1833: [22:04:52] <antmas> adrexia: totally, but they play dumb
1834: [22:05:10] <adrexia> well, make them sign somethign that says they won't, then fire them
1835: [22:05:11] <adrexia> :P
1836: [22:05:20] <veb_> antmas: this a better description? https://www.dropbox.com/s/s94cuuu7nsxdmc8/PlayStoreandAppStoredescription.pdf?dl=0
1837: [22:06:03] <antmas> veb_: done
1838: [22:06:17] <veb_> <3
1839: [22:06:17] <irogue> I recently had to apply for a Removable Media Exemption (client's network, not SS)
1840: [22:06:21] <veb_> did you +1 as well ;)
1841: [22:06:21] <antmas> veb_: yarp
1842: [22:06:29] <irogue> they're all "why can't you just email files to yourself?"
1843: [22:06:46] <antmas> veb lol yes Dad
1844: [22:06:50] <adrexia> irogue, I have had that too
1845: [22:06:53] <irogue> but quickly changed their mind when I asked if they're happy with me emailing 2GB SQL dumps and 5GB asset dumps back and forward
1846: [22:06:56] <antmas> irogue: yeah
1847: [22:07:34] <antmas> we've had people (even yesterday) try and email 4gb worth of official pdfs
1848: [22:07:49] <veb_> lol4 gb of pdf
1849: [22:07:49] <antmas> so you can see the extent at which IT need to keep things in check with our customers :P
1850: [22:07:54] <adrexia> irogue I find it a bit ironic that a lot of those places are more likely to trust people who work for their vendors than those who work from them directly
1851: [22:08:07] <veb_> antmas: adding a camera function isn't a bad idea
1852: [22:08:13] <antmas> brbizzle, restarting
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1854: [22:08:54] <adrexia> it's a bit like the advanced workflow problem. Quite often I find I can make huge code changes to sites that have about 5 levels of advanced workflow for their internal employees...
1855: [22:09:07] * UncleCheese has joined #silverstripe
1856: [22:09:10] <adrexia> ...and I just need to press a button
1857: [22:09:21] <irogue> adrexia: often its because they hire a lot of muppets, and they know it
1858: [22:09:32] <adrexia> solution: don't hire muppets
1859: [22:09:34] <adrexia> ;)
1860: [22:09:55] <irogue> there's only so many non-muppets in the world
1861: [22:10:13] <adrexia> ...but also, don't treat people like they are, because if they'd not they might end up becoming them
1862: [22:10:26] <Colin[pi]> moin moin o/
1863: [22:10:33] <irogue> if the non-muppets all get hired for stuff like retail or bank tellers, we'll have none left for I.T. ;)
1864: [22:10:42] <adrexia> \o/
1865: [22:10:50] <adrexia> lols
1866: [22:11:10] <irogue> imagine if parliament had non-muppets
1867: [22:11:21] <irogue> what kind of crazy world would it be
1868: [22:11:24] <adrexia> irogue I have found people often act like they are expected to act
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1871: [22:12:31] * antmas quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
1872: [22:13:28] <antmas_> veb_: I'll throw it on our intranet, might get a few extra downloads and ratings etc
1873: [22:13:37] <veb_> thanks mate!
1874: [22:14:05] <antmas_> np
1875: [22:14:11] <veb_> antmas_: https://www.dropbox.com/s/3i0t9pbbjx9uek5/Screenshot%202015-05-22%2010.14.09.png?dl=0
1876: [22:14:13] * antmas_ is now known as antmas
1877: [22:14:14] <veb_> or closer?
1878: [22:14:27] <antmas> that works
1879: [22:14:34] <veb_> lol I just realised I used my own photo albums on the playstore listing
1880: [22:14:40] <veb_> go Archer! (my son)
1881: [22:15:00] <Colin[pi]> antmas: o/
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1883: [22:16:49] <irogue> veb_: at least it wasn't dick pics
1884: [22:16:56] <veb_> irogue: haha
1885: [22:17:03] <veb_> I don't think I've ever taken a pic of my dick
1886: [22:17:05] <veb_> maybe I should
1887: [22:17:13] <veb_> but then it'll probably find its way on to playstore
1888: [22:17:14] <veb_> better not
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1890: [22:18:01] <antmas> could have been a hidden chickenbutt too
1891: [22:18:12] <antmas> Colin[pi]: o.
1892: [22:18:15] <antmas> damnit
1893: [22:18:18] <antmas> errytime
1894: [22:18:20] <antmas> Colin[pi]: o/
1895: [22:18:22] <Colin[pi]> OMG UR ARM FELL OFF AGAIN
1896: [22:18:27] <Colin[pi]> HALP ANTMAS SOMEONE
1897: [22:18:32] <Colin[pi]> oh there it is
1898: [22:18:33] * antmas wiggles his arm stubb
1899: [22:18:36] <DanaeNZ> o= / .o
1900: [22:18:38] <DanaeNZ> HERE
1901: [22:18:56] * antmas catches it o. o/
1902: [22:19:01] <DanaeNZ> \o/
1903: [22:19:03] <DanaeNZ> whoo
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1905: [22:19:37] <antmas> willr: errrm, that email bounced?
1906: [22:19:53] <willr> I received it?
1907: [22:19:59] <antmas> hmmm
1908: [22:20:03] <antmas> says bounced to me
1909: [22:20:06] <antmas> weird
1910: [22:20:52] * Stomach has joined #silverstripe
1911: [22:20:53] <veb_> now willr panics and realised all his people have recieved bounced emails in past 6 months
1912: [22:20:57] * veb_ is now known as vebb
1913: [22:21:03] * vebb is now known as veb
1914: [22:22:50] * antmas opens VS2015
1915: [22:23:06] <antmas> 'create new native iOS app in C#'
1916: [22:23:13] <antmas> WHAT IS THIS WIZARDRY
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1918: [22:25:08] <antmas> oh
1919: [22:25:15] <antmas> it's still Xamarin
1920: [22:25:16] <antmas> nvm
1921: [22:26:00] <simon_w|air> King is slacking off!
1922: [22:33:33] <antmas> veb: you getting any downloads? Just had 2 people ask about it already
1923: [22:33:49] <veb> umm
1924: [22:33:52] <veb> fucked if i know
1925: [22:33:55] <veb> lold
1926: [22:34:03] <veb> but thanks antmas
1927: [22:34:04] * veb checks orders
1928: [22:34:20] <antmas> oh can you still not get to the play store?
1929: [22:34:42] <veb> different account, got it logged in elsewhere so I can't
1930: [22:34:47] <veb> but can get to playstore now
1931: [22:34:50] <veb> just not the dev
1932: [22:34:56] <veb> and last order was last night
1933: [22:34:56] <antmas> ah
1934: [22:35:03] <veb> damnit
1935: [22:35:10] <antmas> you mean actual purchase order?
1936: [22:35:13] <veb> there's this person who ordered on Wed... for $1
1937: [22:35:15] <veb> antmas: idneed
1938: [22:35:17] <veb> indeed*
1939: [22:35:35] <veb> wow, $35 discount
1940: [22:35:36] <veb> lol
1941: [22:35:38] <veb> o_O
1942: [22:36:07] <veb> that cannot be right
1943: [22:36:12] <veb> we sent out two products for $1
1944: [22:36:45] <antmas> lol
1945: [22:36:47] <antmas> le whoops
1946: [22:36:49] <veb> mother-fuck
1947: [22:36:55] <antmas> also, it just crashed on me
1948: [22:36:55] <veb> someone just crashed the app
1949: [22:37:00] <antmas> lol!
1950: [22:37:03] <veb> oh you bastard
1951: [22:37:04] <veb> what did you do
1952: [22:37:15] <adrexia> haha
1953: [22:37:18] <antmas> haha, was trying to crop a photo onto wall dot and then hit save
1954: [22:37:26] <antmas> 'happymoose has stopped working'
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1956: [22:37:34] <veb> can you send me the photo
1957: [22:37:38] <veb> mike@happymoose.nz
1958: [22:37:56] <antmas> doesn't matter which photo, it's crashing on each one
1959: [22:37:59] <antmas> lemme try again
1960: [22:38:32] <veb> EACH ONE?
1961: [22:38:35] <veb> :|
1962: [22:38:43] <veb> it can't be
1963: [22:38:49] <veb> I'm not getting more crash reports.
1964: [22:38:57] <antmas> yeah, as soon as I hit 'crop' after moving an image into position, it crashes
1965: [22:39:24] <antmas> I'm running 4.4 with cyanogenmod
1966: [22:39:30] <veb> k
1967: [22:39:30] <veb> thanks
1968: [22:40:07] <antmas> ok that time it worked, although I chose 20x20 instead of 15x15 for test
1969: [22:40:40] <antmas> and 15x15 just worked now too
1970: [22:40:51] <antmas> might be ok now?
1971: [22:40:54] <veb> hmm...
1972: [22:41:03] <veb> I just replicated your stuff
1973: [22:41:06] <veb> on cyanogen mod 4.4 :P
1974: [22:41:10] <veb> no crash either
1975: [22:41:14] <antmas> did it fail?
1976: [22:41:22] <antmas> yeah could be my phone
1977: [22:41:25] <veb> I happened to have a phone, charged, with cyanogenmod 4.4 haha
1978: [22:41:27] <antmas> idk
1979: [22:41:32] <antmas> lol!
1980: [22:41:34] <antmas> GS3?
1981: [22:42:19] <veb> galaxy nexus
1982: [22:42:50] <antmas> any discount codes? I don't see a box to enter one...
1983: [22:44:54] <Ryan-Toast> UncleCheese: I reconfigured it a little to be re-useable everywhere: https://github.com/Rhym/silverstripe-boilerplate-installer/blob/master/mysite/javascript/src/ajax-content.js
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1985: [22:45:47] <UncleCheese> beautiful
1986: [22:46:06] <Ryan-Toast> UC: I use it for page navigation too, works really well :)
1987: [22:46:57] <veb> antmas: when you get to the ordering part
1988: [22:47:03] <veb> where you put your deets
1989: [22:47:07] <veb> or payment info
1990: [22:47:39] <antmas> oh right
1991: [22:47:40] <antmas> nice
1992: [22:47:46] <veb> you want?
1993: [22:47:52] <antmas> ys plox :D
1994: [22:48:04] * irogue wonders what would happen if one was to order a print of a dick pic
1995: [22:49:29] <irogue> holy crap, a US grand jury finally actually indicted dodgy cops
1996: [22:49:45] <irogue> http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2015/05/21/city-states-atty-to-speak-on-freddie-gray-case/
1997: [22:50:05] <antmas> veb: need to add focus on shipping page, if you don't enter a province/state etc it won't let you hit next without telling you so
1998: [22:50:26] <veb> but you should?
1999: [22:50:43] <antmas> yeah, a required field indicator
2000: [22:50:50] <veb> screenshot pls?
2001: [22:50:52] <veb> I'll give you a voucher
2002: [22:51:21] <antmas> just go to shipping page and hit next without entering anything
2003: [22:51:51] <Ryan-Toast> Stomach: holy shit, that’s awesome :D https://github.com/edlinklater/SilverGraph
2004: [22:53:12] <Stomach> :P
2005: [22:56:01] <antmas> Stomach: dude omg
2006: [22:56:21] <antmas> this would make explaining the model to my senior dev so much easier lol
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2008: [22:57:10] <irogue> and now it does many_many_extraFields! :P
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2011: [23:04:30] <irogue> fatal car vs tree at this time of day o_O
2012: [23:04:42] <irogue> usually they're alcohol-based...
2013: [23:05:49] <antmas> :(
2014: [23:06:21] <antmas> http://peermesh.io/terrorism/#/map
2015: [23:06:53] <irogue> I like the look of NZ
2016: [23:07:15] <antmas> :P
2017: [23:07:33] <irogue> https://twitter.com/movingtoenzed
2018: [23:08:27] <Ryan-Toast> irogue: lol
2019: [23:08:27] <antmas> lol I love that
2020: [23:08:48] <antmas> kinda scary to think people still believe they'll be better off here :/
2021: [23:09:29] <irogue> antmas: especially americans who are saying they're going to move here if a left-wing president wins
2022: [23:09:33] <antmas> that avatar is amazing though
2023: [23:10:27] <antmas> LOL https://twitter.com/lilllals/status/595660010652311553
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2031: [23:12:14] <DanaeNZ> my friend sent me a snapchat - he had drawn dickbutt on a post-it then attached it to an rc helicopter
2032: [23:12:20] <DanaeNZ> he was flying it around the office
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2034: [23:13:06] <antmas> DanaeNZ: lol friday office work is the best
2035: [23:13:21] <irogue> lol
2036: [23:14:34] <irogue> ah, the state of our mental health system
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2038: [23:16:46] <irogue> the car vs tree is a 1X (suicide) - the guy's already tried twice this week and police have been to each but there wasn't any spare beds in the mental health ward :(
2039: [23:17:59] <Ryan-Toast> irogue: sad.
2040: [23:18:11] <antmas> why didn't they put him someone where else until one was freed? or call a mental health worker? or anything?
2041: [23:21:28] <irogue> antmas: police are only allowed to hold them overnight, then they drop them off at the mental health ward who are meant to take responsibility
2042: [23:21:52] <irogue> but they operate a bit like motels "sorry, no vacancy"
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2046: [23:43:28] <antmas> they shouldn't just be dropping them off at the ward
2047: [23:43:32] <antmas> that's pathetic
2048: [23:48:26] <antmas> at least it's bad if they're registered on the metal health system and have been flagged
2049: [23:48:46] <antmas> that's what happens with my Father in law anyway (mental health worker)
2050: [23:49:32] <irogue> antmas: what else can police do though? they're not legally allowed to hold them any longer
2051: [23:50:02] <irogue> like, it seems more a fault with mental health turning them away than police dropping them off
2052: [23:50:02] <antmas> irogue: try and contact the mental health worker assigned to them? (if applicable of course)
2053: [23:50:57] <irogue> antmas: at least in Waikato DHB, they don't have assigned mental health workers anymore due to funding cuts
2054: [23:51:00] <antmas> so what, they call ahead and go 'any beds left'? they say no, so the police just do it anyway regardless?
2055: [23:51:05] <irogue> theres just a generic 0800 number
2056: [23:51:07] <antmas> that's a fault of both parties if that happens
2057: [23:51:48] <antmas> mmm, it's all a bit bit depressing :(
2058: [23:51:57] <irogue> antmas: i'm just wondering what you expect police to do?
2059: [23:52:11] <irogue> like - if there's no beds, what else can be done?
2060: [23:52:30] <antmas> I don't know, but just dumping them is not right
2061: [23:52:48] <antmas> who is going to prosecute the police if they hold them longer?
2062: [23:53:03] <antmas> when the reason is 'this fucking person is going to kill themselves'
2063: [23:54:32] <irogue> the hamilton police actually hired their own psychiatrist recently so at least when they were holding people overnight they could give them counselling time. because the official way for police to do it through the mental health system was to just call the 0800 number and hand the phone to the depressed person =/
2064: [23:54:47] <antmas> exactly
2065: [23:55:24] <antmas> is it not better to breach policy protocol and keep them longer, than to dump them?
2066: [23:55:33] <antmas> police*
2067: [23:55:55] <simon_w|air> When that protocol is a law, nope
2068: [23:56:04] <antmas> then the law needs changing
2069: [23:56:37] <irogue> even if they do get into the facility, they're not safe - https://www.3news.co.nz/nznews/waikato-mental-health-patients-death-avoidable--family-2015040318
2070: [23:56:47] <simon_w|air> That basically gives police the ability to indefinitely detain someone
2071: [23:56:51] <simon_w|air> That's really bad
2072: [23:57:25] <irogue> yeah, dodgy police just have to say "this person might kill themselves!" and they can indefinitely detain without charge
2073: [23:57:38] <irogue> fixing mental health funding is a better solution
2074: [23:57:51] <adrexia> <simon_w|air> That's really bad
2075: [23:57:57] <adrexia> ^understatement
2076: [23:58:19] <antmas> I dunno
2077: [23:58:24] <adrexia> it's orwellian levels of bad
2078: [23:58:51] <DanaeNZ> now my coworkers have attached skewers to the hellicopters and will try to pop the others’ balloon
2079: [23:58:51] <DanaeNZ> http://i.imgur.com/MHpuJIO.jpg
2080: [23:59:00] <irogue> DanaeNZ: hahaha awesome
2081: [23:59:15] <antmas> keep them for a few nights at least
2082: [23:59:21] <antmas> its better than dumping them
2083: [23:59:50] <irogue> antmas: instead of changing the law for police, why not just fix the actual problem though?
2084: [23:59:51] <antmas> DanaeNZ: lol it's a H&S nightmare!
2085: [23:59:52] <antmas> :D

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