#silverstripe IRC Log

IRC log for 7 March 2015

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21: [03:34:12] <Audlex> under what circumstance would loop Menu(1) not work? i have included a page to HomePage and it returns one <li> with no $MenuTitle etc
22: [03:34:52] <Audlex> sure I can make my own function, just curois if anyone knows.
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37: [06:50:45] <ss-helper> Re: Changing the way content editors work with silverstripe - http://www.silverstripe.org/community/forums/general-questions/show/101271#post400613
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62: [11:40:57] <discorpia> zauberfisch: To define the problem: I have installed the blog module. In the CMS I have a BlogHolder page and under it I have a bunch of BlogEntry pages. In the admin pages, when I go to expand my BlogHolder page to show it's children in the site tree they are sorted by oldest first, I wish to change this so that specifically the BlogEntry children are instead sorted by their column called Date (in DESC order)
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64: [11:42:04] <discorpia> zauberfisch: Thanks for clarifying the yaml, however I didn't really manage to override the SiteTree::$default_sort even when manually editing the core SiteTree.php file, it did not affect the queries shown with urlvariabletools
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70: [12:09:51] <nontgor> discorpia: Using a column name like "Date" might cause issues at the SQL level. Might, I haven't checked, but if so renaming it will resolve any issues
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76: [12:14:08] <discorpia> nontgor: I'm aware of that but that's completely unrelated to the issue. As I said, completely removing or changing SiteTree::$default_sort does nothing for the SiteTree query (the "Date" field has not even come into play yet, and the Date field is a field in the official[?] blog module, it's not my creation. I'm just trying to use the modules that are available.)
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82: [12:16:14] <discorpia> For instance if I manually change SiteTree::$default_sort to contain the string "FOOBAR" I expect to either get an error or see the word FOOBAR showing up in the queries, it does neither, it keeps using Sort column. Which leads me to believe that the SiteTree sorting in admin is not really related to ::$default_sort, but beyond that I'm at a loss.
83: [12:16:32] <nontgor> discorpia: Noted re date. I've run into this problem before and didn't resolve it, having a look now
84: [12:18:40] <discorpia> Just quoting the field names is usually ok, so I'm not too worried about it, but I just can't find where the ORDER BY clause of the admin sitetree is put together. I'm currently exploring getSiteTreeFor() in LeftAndMain class
85: [12:19:38] <discorpia> I have a feeling that maybe $default_sort is not used for that but only for programmatically fetching them as dataobjects elsewhere, but not specifically in the tree rendering
86: [12:32:43] <nontgor> discorpia: This looks like the line that makes the call re getting objects $obj->markPartialTree($nodeCountThreshold, $this, $childrenMethod, $numChildrenMethod);
87: [12:33:14] <nontgor> default value appears to be 'AllChildrenIncludingDeleted' from adding error logging
88: [12:35:00] <discorpia> I see! It seems to be defined in framework/models/Hierarchy.php, which sounds somewhat promising going by the name
89: [12:35:17] <nontgor> discorpia: That method is in Hierarchy, and calls methods stageChildren and liveChildren
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95: [12:37:44] <discorpia> nontgor: The column "Sort" seems indeed to be hardcoded that way, I'm wondering if I should maybe just update the Sort column for all BlogEntries in onAfterWrite()
96: [12:37:52] <nontgor> discorpia: No mention of sorting in those methods, I added ->sort('Title') and lo and behold, sorted by title
97: [12:38:35] <discorpia> nontgor: I saw one in naturalNext(), but nowhere else. Where did you say you added yours?
98: [12:39:23] <nontgor> hold on
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100: [12:41:06] <nontgor> discorpia: Lines 12 and 37, http://sspaste.com/paste/show/54faf146cb31c
101: [12:41:18] <nontgor> discorpia: Purely as a test but achieves the desired results
102: [12:41:34] <nontgor> erm expected, not desired
103: [12:42:18] <nontgor> no mention of default_sort_order though in a way that does make sense in that if one had objects of several different types with different default_sort_order values, it would be tricky to define the expected behavour
104: [12:43:07] <discorpia> Yeah, I think it was a faulty assumption on my part to begin with that default_sort was related to anything other than DataObject::get()
105: [12:44:20] <discorpia> Big thanks for finding it, now at least I have an entry point and will need to decide what the best approach is to implement something. Until now I simply had no way to even affect the sorting so hard to even speculate what solution would be best at that point.
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112: [13:04:56] <nontgor> discorpia: using the augmentStageChildren extension point you may be able to resort at the PHP level
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118: [13:10:01] <discorpia> nontgor: Oh, hadn't encountered that one yet, I'll look into it, thanks!
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124: [13:11:35] <discorpia> nontgor: I'm beginning to think in the lines of simply add an onBeforeWrite to BlogEntry that sets $this->Sort = strtotime("2050-01-01") - strtotime($this->Date); or similar
125: [13:12:20] <discorpia> nontgor: That way they will get a numeric integer based on publishing date that gets lower as time progresses... Not the most elegant but simple and safe enough perhaps.
126: [13:18:59] <discorpia> Now that I knew what to look for I just found an old SSBits post written by a friend who I taught how to program (who was the one who actually showed me Silverstripe for the first time a bit later)
127: [13:19:04] <discorpia> http://www.ssbits.com/tutorials/2011/custom-sorting-in-the-cms-sitetree/
128: [13:19:55] <discorpia> And holy shit, it's his birthday today. And I happen to be visiting his(my old) hometown.
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130: [13:35:49] <nontgor> sounds like fate says "have a drink" :)
131: [13:37:02] <nontgor> yeah that's the extension method I was suggesting though I think now simply extend Extension with SS3+
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141: [14:52:19] <ss-helper> Re: SS3 SiteConfig Problems on /dev/build - http://www.silverstripe.org/community/forums/general-questions/show/21109#post400614
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146: [15:19:13] <zauberfisch> discorpia: did you flush after changing the value?
147: [15:19:56] <zauberfisch> discorpia: the config system is cached. you need to ?flush=1 to reload it (effects both private statics and yml config. only Config::inst()->update() is not cached)
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167: [21:21:34] <Pyromanik> boring sunday morning adrexia ?
168: [21:21:51] <Pyromanik> oh PigeonFriend is here too.
169: [21:22:02] <Pyromanik> and that micmania1 fellow.
170: [21:22:14] <Pyromanik> is.. there something going on I'm not aware of?
171: [21:22:14] <zauberfisch> and that fishy guy
172: [21:22:24] <Pyromanik> fushy guy! \o
173: [21:22:42] <Pyromanik> good evening zauberfisch :>
174: [21:22:53] <zauberfisch> good morning
175: [21:23:11] <Pyromanik> How's the weather?
176: [21:23:18] <zauberfisch> I woudln't know
177: [21:23:26] <Pyromanik> It's blowing quite hard over here.
178: [21:23:37] <Pyromanik> Luckily it seems I'm the pig with the brick house.
179: [21:23:40] <zauberfisch> have my curtains closed :)
180: [21:23:52] <Pyromanik> as do I, but man I can hear it gusting through
181: [21:24:27] <zauberfisch> I hear my hard drives spinning though
182: [21:24:32] <Pyromanik> wow
183: [21:24:32] <zauberfisch> moving backups
184: [21:24:34] <Pyromanik> ah
185: [21:24:34] <zauberfisch> cleaning house
186: [21:25:16] <zauberfisch> I realised I have several 1TB drives, each of them just contain like a 100-300GB worth of actual data and the rest is waste
187: [21:25:22] <Pyromanik> I should do something like that.
188: [21:25:26] <Pyromanik> I have the same.
189: [21:25:36] <zauberfisch> so moving it all together onto 1 drive
190: [21:25:45] <Pyromanik> But every time I go looking I'm all 'ohh... look at that!' and then I end up with slightly less waste, haha
191: [21:26:07] <zauberfisch> and then duplicated that one drive to a 2nd drive to have it redundant and still have spare drives left \o/
192: [21:26:17] <Pyromanik> woo
193: [21:26:21] <Pyromanik> raid?
194: [21:26:25] <zauberfisch> nah
195: [21:26:33] <zauberfisch> just dd it over
196: [21:26:35] <Pyromanik> ic
197: [21:26:38] <Pyromanik> <3 dd
198: [21:26:39] <Pyromanik> lulz
199: [21:26:51] <Pyromanik> "clone for me this thing."
200: [21:26:52] <zauberfisch> its backup drives that I only plug in when I need data
201: [21:26:57] <Pyromanik> I see.
202: [21:27:25] <zauberfisch> but man. maintaing clean backups is a lot of anoying work D:
203: [21:27:32] <Pyromanik> indeed, hahga
204: [21:27:37] <Pyromanik> Is why I often don't bother.
205: [21:27:42] <zauberfisch> yeah
206: [21:27:48] <Pyromanik> if it's in the backup folder, just... don't open it xD
207: [21:27:50] <zauberfisch> same here
208: [21:28:01] <zauberfisch> but every time I need something, it bites me in the arse
209: [21:28:18] <zauberfisch> luckily its not that often that I need backups
210: [21:28:22] <Pyromanik> I don't often find myself needing things. Only a few times has it bitten me in the arse.
211: [21:28:41] <Pyromanik> Phone got stolen. Wasn't 100% up to date with backups.
212: [21:28:50] <Pyromanik> enraging.
213: [21:29:08] <Pyromanik> Had a (backup) HDD drive die once too.
214: [21:29:20] <Pyromanik> Luckily nothing serious on it from what I could tell.
215: [21:29:31] <zauberfisch> on mobile devices (including the laptop) I am actually quiet good at keeping to my backup plan
216: [21:29:39] <Pyromanik> I'm worried my current 2Tb drive is on the way out though.
217: [21:30:05] <zauberfisch> I can actually replace my laptop os in a matter of hours with almost no data loss
218: [21:30:10] <Pyromanik> I dunno if it's my computer, the enclosure or the drive itself that's causing issues though.
219: [21:30:16] <Pyromanik> wow nice
220: [21:30:17] <zauberfisch> even have my configuration automated
221: [21:30:29] <Pyromanik> if mine died I'd lament for a day or two, then shrug and carry on.
222: [21:30:32] <zauberfisch> huge bash script that even sets icon size and stuff
223: [21:30:38] <Pyromanik> haha
224: [21:31:06] <Pyromanik> I keep intending to buy a large USB memory stick thing
225: [21:31:13] <Pyromanik> or rather, a few of them
226: [21:31:33] <Pyromanik> and using for a) actual important backups (not just all those movies I didn't watch yet/probably never will)
227: [21:31:45] <Pyromanik> and b) having a backup plan/system
228: [21:31:54] <Pyromanik> ie, install linux onto
229: [21:32:08] <Pyromanik> My netbook only has the winduhs
230: [21:32:59] <Pyromanik> But right now, right now I'm (trying) to clean code I wrote in 2013 so I can release it without customer specific stuff in it.
231: [21:33:06] <Pyromanik> in some kind of pseudo module.
232: [21:33:24] <Pyromanik> well, probably a whole module, but it'll still need a lot of work once it's "released"
233: [21:33:48] <zauberfisch> idk, usb sticks
234: [21:34:03] <Pyromanik> yeah. So many writes then die right? I'm unsure also.
235: [21:34:41] <zauberfisch> I mean sure, for small bits of data like documents or your private key or something I suppose its good
236: [21:34:43] <Pyromanik> also, this code I wrote in 2013... D:
237: [21:34:54] <zauberfisch> like buy 2 from different brands and put your stuff on
238: [21:34:58] <Pyromanik> zauberfisch, that's pretty much all I have.
239: [21:35:01] <Pyromanik> that and photos.
240: [21:35:02] <zauberfisch> but for bigger backups I would by hdd
241: [21:35:16] <Pyromanik> I have HDD, but am worried for it's sanity.
242: [21:35:21] <zauberfisch> I have like a docing station for hdd
243: [21:35:44] <Pyromanik> I want something smaller and more reliable for longer term for the more crucially important stuff.
244: [21:36:22] <Pyromanik> HDD's are prone to all kinds of things like moisture, magnetisim, knocks, just plain getting old
245: [21:36:28] <zauberfisch> like this: http://upload.hardver-teszt.hu/imgs/news/2009/524/sharkoon-sata-quickport-usb3-with-hdd.jpg
246: [21:36:44] <Pyromanik> ss23 is a hard drive now?
247: [21:36:49] <Pyromanik> lol xD
248: [21:37:51] <zauberfisch> hdd is also a lot cheaper than usb storage
249: [21:38:04] <zauberfisch> in terms of $/GB
250: [21:39:05] <Pyromanik> this is true.
251: [21:40:11] <zauberfisch> and because I don't have them connected to the pc, but instead hidden away at a safe place, I feel more trusting into their lifespan as well
252: [21:40:32] <zauberfisch> also, those backups are actually just backups of backups more or less
253: [21:40:33] <Pyromanik> I have like this with 2Tb hdd in it. Only one though (thus want for more reliable redundant option): http://www.pcworld.co.uk/gbuk/components-upgrades/internal-hard-drives/enclosures/dynamode-usb-hd3-5si-bn-3-5-sata-ide-usb-2-0-enclosure-black-19300678-pdt.html
254: [21:40:38] <Pyromanik> wow that url is long :<
255: [21:40:50] <Pyromanik> I bet some 'seo expert' as been all up in there D:
256: [21:41:16] <zauberfisch> they are kind of dumps of my hard drive. but all the code is in git, documents are in owncloud, and so on
257: [21:41:31] <zauberfisch> so its really just a backup for the things I forgot to put into the "cloud"
258: [21:41:39] <Pyromanik> zauberfisch, the reliablity part comes in that I'll be moving back to NZ too at some point. I don't want a magnetic spinny disk dying en-route.
259: [21:41:55] <Pyromanik> baggage handlers aren't know for their subtlty
260: [21:42:09] <Pyromanik> owncloud?
261: [21:42:09] <zauberfisch> I would carry them in my body :P
262: [21:42:15] <Pyromanik> as in, your own cloud?
263: [21:42:16] <Pyromanik> hahahahahhahaha
264: [21:42:37] <Pyromanik> or is owncloud some service I can check out?
265: [21:42:57] <zauberfisch> kind of open source dropbox/google drive/skydrive clone
266: [21:43:04] <Pyromanik> cool
267: [21:43:06] * Pyromanik googles
268: [21:43:06] <zauberfisch> kind of => clone
269: [21:43:12] <Pyromanik> mmm
270: [21:43:14] <zauberfisch> not kind of open source (:
271: [21:43:38] <Pyromanik> ah, gotcha
272: [21:43:51] <zauberfisch> I have it running on a dedicated server, but since its pretty much only php, I guess it would also run on shared hostings
273: [21:44:10] <Pyromanik> Interesting.
274: [21:44:44] <zauberfisch> (it also has contacts, calendar and stuff, but those features are under-developed and just not useable if you have more than basic needs)
275: [21:44:59] <zauberfisch> (like for example there is no inviting others to calendar events)
276: [21:45:24] <Pyromanik> hmm, so it's like google apps almost clone indeed.
277: [21:45:34] <Pyromanik> I was expecting more like box.com or whatever
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279: [21:46:00] <zauberfisch> well, for me its pretty much a dropbox/box clone. because I currently only use the file feature
280: [21:46:32] <Pyromanik> Versioning and undelete. Cool.
281: [21:46:44] <Pyromanik> Does that take exponentially more drive space?
282: [21:46:47] <zauberfisch> undelete? :O
283: [21:46:55] <Pyromanik> https://owncloud.org/features/
284: [21:46:59] <zauberfisch> I have no idea
285: [21:47:17] <zauberfisch> never used either of those features, nor have I payed attention to their requirements
286: [21:47:45] <Pyromanik> ownCloud stores your data and lets you bring back data that was deleted accidentally. Find previous versions of files you modified and bring them back.
287: [21:48:06] <Pyromanik> pity their website doesn't let you copy and paste without going into inspector! :P
288: [21:48:07] <zauberfisch> let me see
289: [21:48:27] <zauberfisch> it doesn't? I can copy paste there
290: [21:48:57] <Pyromanik> the features page at least, the heading below's box overlays the description above's text.
291: [21:49:12] <zauberfisch> oh. you are correct
292: [21:49:15] <zauberfisch> there is a versions button
293: [21:49:18] <zauberfisch> right in my face
294: [21:49:21] <Pyromanik> ha
295: [21:49:23] <zauberfisch> supprised I never noticed that
296: [21:49:32] <zauberfisch> though I guess I ignored it because I never needed it
297: [21:49:41] * Pyromanik goes to demo
298: [21:49:43] <zauberfisch> not in the habbit of accidently deleting files ^^
299: [21:49:51] <Pyromanik> hehe
300: [21:50:18] <Pyromanik> A good habit to be in (the habit of not being in the habbit of ^^)
301: [21:50:22] <Pyromanik> :P
302: [21:50:26] <zauberfisch> yeah
303: [21:50:46] <zauberfisch> I learned that lesson the hard way though
304: [21:50:52] <zauberfisch> rm just has no trashbin
305: [21:51:00] <Pyromanik> I can't say I do that either. Unless I'm at work. Then I'm minutely prone to rm -rf clients/site/instead/of/backups
306: [21:51:12] <zauberfisch> makes one always think twice before deleting something
307: [21:51:18] <Pyromanik> yeh.
308: [21:51:44] <Pyromanik> and or check pwd before you do it (in case of dev vs live or something)
309: [21:52:11] <Pyromanik> I've done that one before. Execute command, but in wrong terminal window.
310: [21:52:17] <Pyromanik> correct command*
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313: [22:23:53] <zauberfisch> yay. just reduced 1TB (half full) drive to 50gb of actual data ^^
314: [22:28:17] <Pyromanik> you halves a half full!
315: [22:28:19] <Pyromanik> xD
316: [22:28:22] <Pyromanik> halved*
317: [22:28:46] <Pyromanik> I'm looking through my code and there are so many assumptions being made D:
318: [22:29:03] <Pyromanik> What I thought took parameters turns out only ever takes an ID... sometimes multiple times though :/
319: [22:29:09] <Pyromanik> I just don't even.
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