#silverstripe IRC Log

IRC log for 20 October 2014

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1: [00:06:35] * UncleCheese quit (Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…)
2: [00:09:42] <jordanmk> @simon_w: okay, i'll give that a try
3: [00:10:07] <jordanmk> different question, i've just added versioning to a certain DataObject class by following the instructions here: http://doc.silverstripe.org/framework/en/topics/versioning
4: [00:10:55] <jordanmk> do i need to manually populate the _live and _versions tables? they are currently empty, and all ::get() calls to that class are returning nothing as a result...
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6: [00:14:25] <simon_w|work> jordanmk, Version::get_by_stage('YourClass', 'Stage')->each(function($obj) { $obj->publish('Stage', 'Live'); });
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8: [00:15:24] <jordanmk> thanks :)
9: [00:20:09] <irogue_> If I put Active.Nice (Active is a Boolean, so I want it to show Yes/No) in $summary_fields, and Active in $searchable_fields, it's not searchable or sortable. Any ideas for working around that?
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11: [00:26:54] <zippy> <o/
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15: [00:50:10] <Olliepop> Can you decorate a class more than once? I.e 2 DataExtensions on Product
16: [00:50:26] <Colin[pi]> Olliepop: yes
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18: [00:51:42] * Kingy is now known as Kingy[a]
19: [00:54:25] <Olliepop> Cheers Colin[pi]
20: [00:58:01] <Colin[pi]> if I want to say a member can only view a certain area if in a group AND a field is set to a certain value, that's a canView() thing?
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22: [01:00:28] <simon_w|work> Yes
23: [01:00:41] <Colin[pi]> cool thx
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27: [01:18:02] <UncleCheese> anyone here have a retina macbook?
28: [01:18:14] * Colin[pi] raises hand
29: [01:18:18] <UncleCheese> so, like
30: [01:18:20] <UncleCheese> i don't get it
31: [01:18:37] <spronk> don't get what?
32: [01:18:42] <UncleCheese> how come a video that is 1280x720 takes up most of the screen
33: [01:18:50] <UncleCheese> when the screen is like 2800 something
34: [01:18:52] <spronk> it gets pixel doubled
35: [01:18:59] <spronk> or interp'd
36: [01:19:02] <Colin[pi]> ^
37: [01:19:19] * UncleCheese has no idea what the fuck is going on
38: [01:19:35] <spronk> lol
39: [01:19:44] <Colin[pi]> UncleCheese: retina screens have a very high pixel density, but if the video is not native res, it's upscaled
40: [01:19:49] <UncleCheese> so what size should i make my video?
41: [01:20:15] <Colin[pi]> UncleCheese: depends on the target audience of the video
42: [01:20:22] <UncleCheese> i want it to be standard HD quality
43: [01:20:29] <Colin[pi]> 1920 x 1080
44: [01:20:34] <UncleCheese> 1920?!
45: [01:20:37] <Colin[pi]> yes
46: [01:20:40] <UncleCheese> oh that's 1080p
47: [01:20:51] <Colin[pi]> or 1280 by 720 for 720p
48: [01:21:10] <Colin[pi]> or you could go to UHD...
49: [01:21:34] <UncleCheese> but for somethign that's going to be on youtube
50: [01:21:49] <UncleCheese> oh now this is interesting
51: [01:22:06] <UncleCheese> the 1920 version is the same size as the 1024 version that i made
52: [01:22:20] <UncleCheese> i mean, in terms of the screen real estate that it uses
53: [01:26:01] <zippy> Colin[pi]: doesn't it also depend on the setting in the screens -> resolution? ie by default the 2800 is used as 1400~ so you get the higer pixel density? but you can adjust the resuoltion..
54: [01:26:19] <Colin[pi]> zippy: yes you can adjust the scaling in the control panel
55: [01:26:29] <zippy> have you, or you left as default?
56: [01:26:31] <Colin[pi]> so you can put it at native and everything is super freakin tiny
57: [01:26:47] <novaweb> Who familiar with silverstripe-securityreport
58: [01:26:48] <novaweb> ?
59: [01:27:34] <zippy> Native resolution: 2560 by 1600 pixels (Retina); scaled resolutions: 1680 by 1050, 1440 by 900, and 1024 by 640 pixels
60: [01:27:39] <zippy> on the 13"
61: [01:27:52] <zippy> I think it'd go with 1680
62: [01:28:12] * zippy was tempted with the 15" quad core..
63: [01:28:20] <zippy> maybe next year when the new chip comes out
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65: [01:28:59] <zippy> I wonder if/when somethin new will come from apple.... in terms of laptops and desktops nothing really changed in the past few years except speed bumps. The mac pro was coming for a long time....
66: [01:29:26] <Colin[pi]> zippy: and they didn't add anything to the new ipad mini except for touch id
67: [01:29:33] <zippy> mm
68: [01:29:36] <Colin[pi]> zippy: but that's cool because it made the ipad mini 2 really cheap :)
69: [01:29:39] <Colin[pi]> well, cheaper anyway
70: [01:29:59] * Kingy is now known as Kingy[a]
71: [01:30:30] * Kingy[a] is now known as Kingy
72: [01:30:56] <zippy> god damn..
73: [01:31:07] <zippy> upgrading a site to 3.1, and the flush is a PITA
74: [01:31:20] * veb quit (Client Quit)
75: [01:31:21] <zippy> fix something, flush, fix something else, flush, fix another thing, flush
76: [01:32:10] <zippy> 12 missippi's to flush
77: [01:32:32] <Colin[pi]> dat config system
78: [01:33:00] <simon_w|work> zippy, use my fork! Is so much faster :p
79: [01:33:06] <zippy> link!
80: [01:33:14] * zippy prays no HHVM
81: [01:33:46] <simon_w|work> Requires HHVM :p
82: [01:33:56] <simon_w|work> https://git.simon.geek.nz/simon_w/silverstripe-framework
83: [01:34:18] <UncleCheese> zippy where is this in the control panel?
84: [01:34:50] <UncleCheese> simon_w|work yeah! https://git.simon.geek.nz/simon_w/silverstripe-framework/commit/00db65c0bdfedf5796dcca15c7195388ff9c6d1f
85: [01:34:55] <zippy> UncleCheese: http://support.apple.com/kb/ht5266
86: [01:35:42] <simon_w|work> Biggest speed up to flush was https://git.simon.geek.nz/simon_w/silverstripe-framework/commit/8b4904308cfe8943ab6d585f4b1afaf0c268d5db
87: [01:35:51] <zippy> simon_w: I thought you were going to send me to https://github.com/TheMonkeys/laravel-silverstripe
88: [01:36:32] <zippy> simon_w: right, that token parsing would be hell slow. couldn't smoething like that which doesn't rely on HHVM get merged in?
89: [01:36:55] <simon_w|work> zippy, switching to Reflection requires a lot more memory, so doubt Hamish would approve
90: [01:37:02] <Colin[pi]> haha that's a contentious issue zippy :D
91: [01:37:08] <zippy> simon_w: pft
92: [01:38:08] <simon_w|work> Given that he didn't approve of https://git.simon.geek.nz/simon_w/silverstripe-framework/commit/a4e6f935e5ae9d1512cb39df1452346d707a55d7 which massively speeds up the config layer when not flushing since it might cause people to run out of memory
93: [01:38:14] <simon_w|work> And that has a lot smaller impact
94: [01:39:30] <zippy> well, it didn't drop straight into 3.1.6 which is a shame
95: [01:40:02] <simon_w|work> Which one?
96: [01:40:20] <zippy> the first one
97: [01:40:39] <simon_w|work> Yeah, it required a few other changes
98: [01:41:06] <zippy> simon_w: you could always fork ss and add these into a non hvvm copy..
99: [01:41:24] * UncleCheese quit (Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…)
100: [01:42:00] <simon_w|work> zippy, https://git.simon.geek.nz/simon_w/silverstripe-framework/tree/8099020743ee051bf8b75396d6b512e5ac07239d is the last change that doesn't require HHVM
101: [01:42:15] <simon_w|work> Removes flushing from live entirely too, so kills the stupid flushtoken
102: [01:42:38] <simon_w|work> (Delete the tmp folder instead)
103: [01:45:58] <simon_w|work> zippy, also, requires configuring things with _ss_environment.php
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105: [01:49:22] <irogue_> yaaaayyyyy
106: [01:49:30] <irogue_> looks like we now get to use JSON instead of SOAP
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108: [01:51:41] * irogue_ cries tears of joy
109: [01:53:48] <UncleCheese> haha
110: [01:54:02] <UncleCheese> funny, you know, that's happened on a majority of SOAP projects i've done
111: [01:54:28] <UncleCheese> eventually the client is just like, "ok, fuck this, let's just use JSON"
112: [01:54:52] <Colin[pi]> lol
113: [01:55:06] <Colin[pi]> dropped the SOAP for JSON... sounds like prison talk
114: [01:55:20] <UncleCheese> you have to wonder about the cause and effect of that, though.. do SOAP projects run over budget because an uninspired developer is sandbagging it? Or does SOAP really suck so bad that the project runs over
115: [01:55:27] <Ryan-Toast> Colin[pi]: AHAHA, RAPE. GET IT?
116: [01:55:59] <Colin[pi]> UncleCheese: a little from column A, a little from column B?
117: [01:56:03] <UncleCheese> what is the thing called that slides in and out of your desk where you keep papers and other things you want tucked away?
118: [01:56:22] <antmas> UncleCheese: a drawer?
119: [01:56:24] <Colin[pi]> UncleCheese: um, drawer?
120: [01:56:27] <UncleCheese> ok
121: [01:56:28] <PapaBearNZ> UncleCheese: I've always heard it referred to as a Utility Drawer.
122: [01:56:31] <UncleCheese> 2/2
123: [01:56:32] <UncleCheese> 3/3
124: [01:56:35] <UncleCheese> good
125: [01:56:46] <antmas> wait
126: [01:56:52] <UncleCheese> an overwhelming number of kiwis i've seen spell it "draw"
127: [01:56:57] <antmas> you mean that slide under your keyboard area on some desks?
128: [01:56:59] <UncleCheese> and i've been wondering if I missed something
129: [01:57:13] <PapaBearNZ> UncleCheese: Yeah - Theer's a lot of illiteracy on the intarweb.
130: [01:57:25] <PapaBearNZ> see ^^^ ?!?! *grin*
131: [01:57:33] <Colin[pi]> lol
132: [01:58:05] <PapaBearNZ> Alot of ppl on teh intarwebs dont spik good England!
133: [01:58:51] <Colin[pi]> PapaBearNZ: youtube comments *shudder*
134: [01:58:54] <PapaBearNZ> "Colin[pi]: dropped the SOAP for JSON... sounds like prison talk" <--- bahahaha
135: [02:00:26] <Colin[pi]> thanks I'm here all week, try the veal
136: [02:00:43] <antmas> mmmm veal
137: [02:01:56] <irogue_> [14:54:29] <UncleCheese> eventually the client is just like, "ok, fuck this, let's just use JSON"
138: [02:02:08] <irogue_> turns out the JSON option was there all along - it just never got communicated to us
139: [02:02:16] * irogue_ rages
140: [02:02:33] <Colin[pi]> that sucks :(
141: [02:02:57] <antmas> awesome, got some of my xmas holidays booked :D
142: [02:03:25] <zippy> hmm user forms is only being used on the contact form.... I might swap it out for just a contact page...
143: [02:03:31] <zippy> speed up flush and dev/build by a few seconds
144: [02:03:38] <antmas> I'll be off from the 22nd until the 13th with only using 9 days annual leave :D
145: [02:03:39] <antmas> score
146: [02:03:45] <irogue_> https://twitter.com/_youhadonejob/status/523958107958161408
147: [02:04:32] <Colin[pi]> irogue_: bahahaha
148: [02:04:38] <Colin[pi]> what a douchenozzle
149: [02:05:26] <irogue_> he'd cut off his ankle bracelet and done a runner
150: [02:05:46] <irogue_> NZ is a bit too small to pull that off!
151: [02:06:14] <Colin[pi]> dumbarse
152: [02:07:11] <UncleCheese> burglars came back last night
153: [02:07:26] <UncleCheese> climbing on the roof this time
154: [02:07:30] <UncleCheese> 3am
155: [02:07:58] <Colin[pi]> :(
156: [02:08:30] <UncleCheese> looking into wireless alarms
157: [02:08:42] <irogue_> UncleCheese: where teh fuck do you live?
158: [02:08:51] <UncleCheese> jville
159: [02:08:55] <irogue_> ah, right
160: [02:09:00] <irogue_> the south auckland of wellington
161: [02:09:07] <UncleCheese> says the guy from south auckland
162: [02:09:09] <UncleCheese> ouch
163: [02:09:13] <irogue_> yep
164: [02:09:19] <irogue_> and yet noones tried to burgle my house :P
165: [02:09:25] <UncleCheese> ha
166: [02:09:39] <zippy> UncleCheese: you had ppl on your roof at 3am?
167: [02:09:48] <UncleCheese> yeah
168: [02:10:04] <UncleCheese> second time in a week
169: [02:10:09] <zippy> sure your not tripping and it's some cats or something?
170: [02:10:16] <UncleCheese> first time, woman comes to the door and asked for a phone book
171: [02:10:16] <zippy> who climbs on someones roof at 3am
172: [02:10:25] <UncleCheese> no, it was definitely human footsteps
173: [02:10:28] <Colin[pi]> zippy: meth heads
174: [02:10:30] <UncleCheese> there are dents in the roof
175: [02:10:33] <irogue_> worst I've seen when reviewing camera footage was a drunk guy coming up my driveway, then realising he was in the wrong place, trying to step over the 30cm high 'fence' and tripping & falling flat onto his face
176: [02:10:46] <UncleCheese> 30cm?
177: [02:11:14] <UncleCheese> there's definitely a group of people scoping out houses
178: [02:11:17] <irogue_> UncleCheese: ~1ft
179: [02:11:20] <UncleCheese> we had to call the cops last week
180: [02:11:23] <UncleCheese> irogue_ i know
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182: [02:11:29] <UncleCheese> just surprised how low
183: [02:11:42] * jeremy is now known as Guest31180
184: [02:11:42] <irogue_> UncleCheese: I presume it's just to stop people parking on each other's lawns
185: [02:11:48] <UncleCheese> right
186: [02:12:08] <UncleCheese> people are fucked up, mn
187: [02:12:25] <irogue_> UncleCheese: https://www.google.co.nz/maps/@-37.0248763,174.8948568,3a,16.4y,15.19h,82.19t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sYVa1mpiCElL-RatpYwpC1A!2e0!6m1!1e1
188: [02:12:45] <UncleCheese> tha'ts not even a fence
189: [02:12:52] * JeremyRoundill quit (Disconnected by services)
190: [02:12:58] <irogue_> hence 'fence' :P
191: [02:13:04] * Guest31180 is now known as JeremyRoundill
192: [02:13:17] <irogue_> sure put the mega-drunk guy on his face quickly!~
193: [02:14:17] <zippy> UncleCheese: I picked up one of these the other week, I actually use it as a baby monitor (was $20 cheaper on mighty ape). does night visiion. http://www.ascent.co.nz/productspecification.aspx?ItemID=400354
194: [02:14:30] <UncleCheese> oooh
195: [02:14:42] <UncleCheese> could i use that to catch him?
196: [02:14:55] <UncleCheese> didn't know you were in the kid club, either
197: [02:15:01] <zippy> I got 2 :(
198: [02:15:34] <zippy> had my oldests 5 year bday on saturday.... never doign a home party again, mcdonalds for that shit now
199: [02:16:02] <antmas> zippy: oh god home birthdays
200: [02:16:07] <antmas> YOU CAN'T ESCAPE
201: [02:16:21] <irogue_> and the house gets trashed
202: [02:16:32] <zippy> and there is so many of them, and then one starts crying because they didn't win pass the parcle
203: [02:16:39] <antmas> lol
204: [02:16:43] <UncleCheese> hahahha
205: [02:16:44] <antmas> always the same
206: [02:16:55] <JeremyRoundill> I'd cry if I didn't win pass the parcel.
207: [02:17:09] <antmas> lol I think I remember crying because I didn't
208: [02:17:39] <zippy> UncleCheese: it's the cheapest nightvsion camera i found in 10 mins, the quality is ok
209: [02:17:39] * irogue_ has young cousins and has had to be present for 5yo birthday parties as a teenager
210: [02:17:46] <UncleCheese> hmm
211: [02:17:53] <UncleCheese> how do you view it?
212: [02:17:54] <zippy> UncleCheese: it gets some creepy red lights on the front of it so have that pointing out ya front window
213: [02:17:59] <UncleCheese> it has its own public ip?
214: [02:18:01] <zippy> throw up some security night lights
215: [02:18:29] <zippy> UncleCheese: no, the connection is managed through some my dlink website portal thing. so you install the app on your phone and can view it on your mobile, or via the browser
216: [02:18:39] <spronk> WHAT THE FUawhaaaat apple
217: [02:18:39] <UncleCheese> gotcha
218: [02:18:50] <antmas> yay spronk rant time
219: [02:18:51] <antmas> :D
220: [02:18:55] <spronk> mac mini 2014 no longer has user replaceable ram D:
221: [02:19:06] <antmas> woah really?
222: [02:19:09] <spronk> in addition to having no quad cores
223: [02:19:09] <spronk> ya
224: [02:19:11] <spronk> what the fuck, apple.
225: [02:19:27] <Colin[pi]> spronk: HAHA! FUCK YOU! - sincerely, Apple
226: [02:19:29] <zippy> yerp
227: [02:19:31] <spronk> oh wow
228: [02:19:35] <zippy> pretty stink
229: [02:19:37] <irogue_> neither does my macbook air, but at least there's a good reason for that
230: [02:19:39] <spronk> and hdd is no longer considered to be user replaceable
231: [02:19:45] <zippy> spronk: and I think it's even slower
232: [02:19:48] <irogue_> no real reason for not having user servicable ram in a mac mini
233: [02:19:49] <spronk> so it'll void your warranty if you replace it
234: [02:19:51] <spronk> "void"
235: [02:20:00] <zippy> spronk: http://www.macrumors.com/2014/10/19/mac-mini-2014-benchmark/
236: [02:20:01] <spronk> well, considering the new one is the same dimensions as the old one..
237: [02:20:16] <spronk> man that's depressing
238: [02:20:33] <irogue_> I need a mid-afternoon wake-up call
239: [02:20:40] <antmas> irogue_: +1
240: [02:21:01] <spronk> i fell asleep before
241: [02:21:30] <zippy> UncleCheese: you have any security lights around your place?
242: [02:21:35] <UncleCheese> no
243: [02:21:44] <UncleCheese> landlord is thinking about installing a motion sensor
244: [02:21:47] <antmas> why did you choose jville?
245: [02:21:54] <UncleCheese> antmas sensitive issue
246: [02:22:07] <antmas> ?
247: [02:22:11] <UncleCheese> fuck jville
248: [02:22:20] <antmas> indeed
249: [02:22:32] <irogue_> lol
250: [02:22:58] <UncleCheese> tldr; had a great place in vogeltown, owner refused to insulate it, so we didnt' resign our lease, looked to jville thinking we could get more for our money
251: [02:23:09] <UncleCheese> and to some extent we have.. it's a nicer house.. warmer.. two stories
252: [02:23:14] <UncleCheese> but i fucking hate jville
253: [02:23:18] <antmas> lol
254: [02:23:21] <antmas> yeah that sucks
255: [02:23:24] <zippy> UncleCheese: two stories and they got on the roof?
256: [02:23:29] <UncleCheese> yup
257: [02:23:35] <zippy> go go gadget legs
258: [02:23:40] <antmas> adjacent property?
259: [02:23:45] <UncleCheese> go go gadget wheelibin is more like it
260: [02:24:01] <UncleCheese> going to get one of those cameras right now.. thanks zippy
261: [02:24:10] <zippy> there could be better ones.........
262: [02:24:16] <irogue_> "looked to jville thinking we could get more for our money"
263: [02:24:17] <UncleCheese> there could be more expensive ones
264: [02:24:21] <irogue_> this is basically why I'm in Manurewa
265: [02:24:25] <UncleCheese> yeah
266: [02:24:27] <zippy> UncleCheese: check out pricespy
267: [02:24:28] <antmas> they day I have to get security in my house beyond a locked door...
268: [02:24:32] <zippy> UncleCheese: for cheaper
269: [02:24:34] <irogue_> 2bdr standalone house for same price as studio apartment in/near CBD
270: [02:24:36] <zippy> UncleCheese: of that model
271: [02:24:36] <UncleCheese> all the buildings look like landed UFOs
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273: [02:24:54] <UncleCheese> like that fucking toy store
274: [02:25:06] * Kingy is now known as Kingy[a]
275: [02:25:12] <UncleCheese> someone please point a shoulder-lauched grenade at that thing
276: [02:25:23] <irogue_> luckily I don't actually mind Manurewa
277: [02:25:27] <UncleCheese> (when its empty of course)
278: [02:25:35] <irogue_> my area in Hamilton was much worse than 'rewa
279: [02:25:42] <UncleCheese> police officer said in NZ you're allowed to defend yourself to home invaders
280: [02:25:54] <UncleCheese> which surprised me
281: [02:25:56] <zippy> UncleCheese: reasonable force aparently...
282: [02:25:58] <antmas> where does that line get crossed though?
283: [02:25:58] <UncleCheese> police don't carry guns..
284: [02:25:59] <irogue_> UncleCheese: yeah, you are
285: [02:26:04] <UncleCheese> so can i stab the guy
286: [02:26:06] <zippy> tbh, I would go full nato
287: [02:26:10] <UncleCheese> i just want to know what i'm getting into
288: [02:26:11] <antmas> yeah same here
289: [02:26:23] <Colin[pi]> <UncleCheese> police don't carry guns.. <-- wat?
290: [02:26:27] <novaweb> pancakes
291: [02:26:29] <UncleCheese> in America, you're supposed to kill them
292: [02:26:32] <antmas> Colin[pi]: yeah they only have tazers
293: [02:26:37] <UncleCheese> because "A dead guy can't sue you
294: [02:26:37] <UncleCheese> "
295: [02:26:39] <Colin[pi]> in NZ? wow didnt know
296: [02:26:43] <novaweb> guns are in the boot of every patrol car
297: [02:26:50] <zippy> ^
298: [02:26:54] <antmas> true
299: [02:26:55] <UncleCheese> novaweb but they need clearance to get them
300: [02:26:58] <UncleCheese> it's a big pain in the ass
301: [02:27:00] <irogue_> UncleCheese: ultimately police have discretion. and police generally hate home invaders, so will ignore even if you've broken a law.
302: [02:27:00] <novaweb> correcto
303: [02:27:17] <UncleCheese> nice!
304: [02:27:21] <UncleCheese> i'll kill the mofo
305: [02:27:28] <antmas> as long as I could get away with a little leg breakage I'd probably stop thre
306: [02:27:31] <antmas> there*
307: [02:27:36] <spronk> bash skull in with a bat
308: [02:27:37] <spronk> all g
309: [02:27:40] <UncleCheese> it's true, though.. in the states, it's much more dangerous to not kill the guy than it is to kill him
310: [02:27:43] <antmas> lol
311: [02:27:48] <Colin[pi]> I slept with a baseball bat the night after my apartment was robbed
312: [02:27:52] <UncleCheese> so many cases of home invaders suing the homeowner for injury
313: [02:28:00] <antmas> Colin[pi]: who was big spoon?
314: [02:28:04] <Colin[pi]> antmas: ROFL
315: [02:28:10] <spronk> :D
316: [02:28:23] <caamic30> Hello SS, what is the best approach of having bundle of products, class Product with many many products?
317: [02:28:32] <irogue_> Colin[pi]: the head of the Police union is a big gun nut so is always moaning about police not being 100% armed, but most cops I've talked to don't want to be
318: [02:28:33] <caamic30> What would be the relationship
319: [02:29:01] <Colin[pi]> caamic30: one bundle has_many products ?
320: [02:29:12] <zippy> irogue_: yea, cops i've talked to said the same thing, when they do walk around with their sidearm on it makes them more jittery because they have to be so much more aware of whats happening, who is sneaking up behind them, etc etc
321: [02:29:13] <irogue_> as police here are 100% criminally liable for their actions while on the job, they could be done for murder if the IPCA decided shooting wasn't necessary
322: [02:29:24] <Colin[pi]> irogue_: mm well obviously AU being the pack of racist bogans we are, they're all armed
323: [02:29:29] <caamic30> yup, but I would like to assign it to many many products
324: [02:29:40] <glenn-bautista> caamic30: if a product can be in more than one bundle, then it should be a many many
325: [02:29:47] <Colin[pi]> mm this
326: [02:29:56] <irogue_> zippy: yep. the other thing raised is that part of why NZers generally trust police is they're not in constant fear of being mistakenly shot, as is so common in the USA
327: [02:30:04] <irogue_> "OOPS I THOUGHT THAT GUY WAS A CRIMINAL"
328: [02:30:27] <Colin[pi]> irogue_: sounds like the Oscar Pistorius defence :P
329: [02:30:36] <UncleCheese> irogue_ the daily show recently did a bit on how that is the one statistic that the police do not track
330: [02:30:37] <antmas> LOL
331: [02:30:42] <UncleCheese> how many people get show by police
332: [02:30:59] <caamic30> yep, but is it possible by this code class Product many_many and belongs_many_many in one class called product
333: [02:31:04] <spronk> "We've designed the new Mac Mini to be slower, so you can enjoy your content better. These days, we are in such a hurry that we fail to slowdown and appreciate what we're seeing. The new Mac Mini is about making the personal computer...personal again." - Jony
334: [02:31:11] <UncleCheese> like... the fbi can tell you any metric under the sun.. but the "how many people did we kill this year" qestion is impossible to answer
335: [02:31:34] <glenn-bautista> caamic30: no unless you namespace it
336: [02:31:50] <irogue_> UncleCheese: pretty horrible right
337: [02:31:56] <UncleCheese> yeah
338: [02:31:59] <UncleCheese> it happens all the time
339: [02:32:10] <UncleCheese> i love that most kiwis oppose police being armed
340: [02:32:18] <UncleCheese> "I don't want some drunk guy getting a hold of his gun!"
341: [02:32:19] <antmas> I had a hedgehod break into the house last night
342: [02:32:26] <antmas> hedgehog*
343: [02:32:36] <UncleCheese> so funny, because all im thinking is, uh, the drunk guys don't already have guns?
344: [02:32:46] <caamic30> the relationship I am thinking is similar to this code
345: [02:32:46] <caamic30> http://pastebin.com/FcPSy7LW
346: [02:33:18] <UncleCheese> caamic30 the belongs_many_many is not necessary
347: [02:33:19] <irogue_> UncleCheese: the "drunk guy getting the gun" argument doesn't fly for me, but there are plenty of good reasons
348: [02:33:49] <spronk> giving police arms = escalation
349: [02:33:58] <UncleCheese> it's contextual
350: [02:34:00] <spronk> this is why the usa is so fucked when it comes to gun death
351: [02:34:04] <UncleCheese> no, no
352: [02:34:05] <simon_w|work> irogue_, it makes sense if you think they'll be US-style holsters
353: [02:34:15] <UncleCheese> the USA is fucked because there are just SO MANY GUNS
354: [02:34:19] <spronk> yes
355: [02:34:19] <UncleCheese> more guns than people
356: [02:34:25] <UncleCheese> so of course police need to be armed
357: [02:34:27] <spronk> because stupid gun laws
358: [02:34:29] <UncleCheese> and the guns aren't going anyway
359: [02:34:32] <UncleCheese> anywhere
360: [02:34:32] <caamic30> UncleCheese: ah, got it, thanks :)
361: [02:34:36] <irogue_> every time a cop fires a gun here, even if it's not fatal, an IPCA investigation is launched
362: [02:34:46] <UncleCheese> well, it's not a legal issue.. putting a law in place doesn't get rid of the guns
363: [02:34:51] <irogue_> if it is fatal, a homocide investigation is also automatically launched
364: [02:34:52] <UncleCheese> they're a durable good.. they're not going anywhere
365: [02:34:58] <UncleCheese> but in NZ, no guns
366: [02:35:02] <UncleCheese> so, keep it that way
367: [02:35:12] <UncleCheese> have strict gun laws, keep guns out of police hands
368: [02:35:24] <irogue_> and even when the bad guy does have a gun... the police still seem to handle it okay
369: [02:35:30] <Colin[pi]> I like the US solution to gun violence: "MOAR GUNS!"
370: [02:35:32] <irogue_> like the one at waitakere hospital the other day
371: [02:35:33] <UncleCheese> in the USA, we're way, way, way past that.. i'm actually in the camp that believes there's nothing to be done
372: [02:36:17] <Colin[pi]> UncleCheese: meanwhile in the AU, all the police are armed, and most firearms were taken away from the populace
373: [02:36:24] <UncleCheese> yup
374: [02:36:27] <irogue_> yeah, AU has stricter gun control than NZ
375: [02:36:29] <UncleCheese> good example of gun control working
376: [02:36:36] <UncleCheese> liberals in the USA looooooove AU
377: [02:36:52] <simon_w|work> UncleCheese, this is after having laws about as bad as in the US too
378: [02:36:52] <UncleCheese> conservatives in the USA looooooooove switzerland :)
379: [02:37:04] <UncleCheese> yeah, i know
380: [02:37:06] <UncleCheese> it's a great story
381: [02:37:32] <simon_w|work> But there doesn't seem to be a fear of "the government's going to take over!"
382: [02:37:36] <UncleCheese> not having an NRA helps
383: [02:37:38] * Kingy[a] is now known as Kingy
384: [02:37:43] <UncleCheese> umm
385: [02:37:44] <UncleCheese> yeah
386: [02:37:50] <UncleCheese> so if the government wants to take over
387: [02:37:59] <UncleCheese> you really think your handgun is going to make a difference?
388: [02:38:00] <irogue_> http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11341426
389: [02:38:05] <UncleCheese> they've got tanks and warheads
390: [02:38:20] <irogue_> haha, ikr. such a ridiculous argument.
391: [02:38:37] <UncleCheese> in the US, they have 3,500+ nuclear bombs
392: [02:38:38] <UncleCheese> hmm
393: [02:38:43] <irogue_> they'll just targeted dronestrike your fucking house and make it look like an airplane fell off an engine or something
394: [02:38:44] <UncleCheese> good thing you've got that assault rifle, dude
395: [02:38:50] <irogue_> uh
396: [02:38:50] <UncleCheese> yeah, right
397: [02:38:55] <irogue_> engine fell off an airplane
398: [02:38:56] <irogue_> lol
399: [02:39:10] <zippy> hahaha
400: [02:39:48] <Colin[pi]> UncleCheese: I don't think the situation will ever resolve in the US, I agree
401: [02:39:53] <UncleCheese> yeah
402: [02:39:56] <Colin[pi]> UncleCheese: not without some sort of conflict
403: [02:40:04] <UncleCheese> still, though.. the guns are there
404: [02:40:06] <spronk> well, irogue_, with some of these new twinjets i wouldn't be surprised..
405: [02:40:14] <UncleCheese> they don't just go away
406: [02:40:19] <UncleCheese> that's the issue
407: [02:40:22] <UncleCheese> it's not like cleaning up litter
408: [02:40:27] <irogue_> agreed. its too late for the US. we need to make sure we don't let NZ get to the same position though.
409: [02:40:29] <UncleCheese> or even cleaning up the air
410: [02:40:38] <Colin[pi]> btw you guys see about that top secret space plane that finally landed the other day after 2 years in orbit?
411: [02:40:39] <UncleCheese> guns last for hundreds of years
412: [02:40:40] <spronk> it's never too late
413: [02:40:58] <UncleCheese> and if you try to take them back, the only people who will give them back are people who are not likely to commit a crime with them
414: [02:41:03] <spronk> all it will take for the USA is for someone to repeal that whateverth amendment that gives the right to bear arms
415: [02:41:04] <UncleCheese> so you're taking back the wrong guns
416: [02:41:21] <UncleCheese> a gun in the USA has a 1/10,000 chance of being involved in a homicide
417: [02:41:33] <UncleCheese> can you imagine how many buybacks you'd have to do to save one life?
418: [02:41:38] <UncleCheese> terrible opportunity cost
419: [02:41:44] <UncleCheese> you're much better off trying to cure a disease or something
420: [02:42:37] <UncleCheese> spronk second amendment.. i don't think it says anything spectacular
421: [02:42:48] <UncleCheese> yeah, you should be able to defend yourself with a gun.. ok
422: [02:42:57] <UncleCheese> it's all interpretation beyond that
423: [02:43:01] <spronk> don't worry about buybacks
424: [02:43:10] <spronk> all them guns can be recycled into something useful
425: [02:43:13] <UncleCheese> in NZ, i can defend myself with a gun legally if i really want to
426: [02:43:18] <UncleCheese> it's just extremely difficult
427: [02:43:30] <Colin[pi]> UncleCheese: considering it?
428: [02:43:31] <UncleCheese> so the 2nd amendment issue is all about where to draw the line
429: [02:43:42] <UncleCheese> the first amendment says freedom of speech
430: [02:43:54] <UncleCheese> but you can't defame someone's character or endanger the public, etc
431: [02:44:10] <irogue_> which far too many people don't understand
432: [02:44:15] <UncleCheese> second amendment says you can bare arms.. but can you bear a cannon? a tank? a warhead?
433: [02:44:30] <Colin[pi]> right to bare arms * (asterisk)
434: [02:44:35] <UncleCheese> exatly
435: [02:44:44] <UncleCheese> so i don't think the second amendement is the problem.. it's just... i dunno
436: [02:44:47] <UncleCheese> there's too many guns
437: [02:44:58] <UncleCheese> too much political power behind it, too
438: [02:45:09] <UncleCheese> and honestly
439: [02:45:49] <UncleCheese> guns aren't the problem as much as stupid people are... imagine a city in which every woman was walking around with a concealed handgun
440: [02:45:51] <zippy> UncleCheese: too much political power behind it -> "too much money"... just like the whole medical thing over there..
441: [02:45:55] <UncleCheese> would you be afraid?
442: [02:45:57] <UncleCheese> i wouldn't
443: [02:46:03] <UncleCheese> women don't do stupid violent shit
444: [02:46:18] <UncleCheese> but if i knew every man was armed, i'd move the fuck away
445: [02:46:20] <zippy> well... mm
446: [02:46:24] <UncleCheese> in general
447: [02:46:36] <UncleCheese> violent crime is two things --- poor, and male
448: [02:46:40] <irogue_> UncleCheese: you'd probably end up with a lot of dead black guys
449: [02:46:48] <UncleCheese> exactly
450: [02:46:51] <Colin[pi]> concealed guns + alcohol = GTFO AND GO FAR, FAR AWAY
451: [02:46:55] <irogue_> (if women all had guns)
452: [02:46:57] <UncleCheese> yup
453: [02:47:12] <irogue_> "that man looked in my general direction, HE WAS GOING TO RAPE ME"
454: [02:47:38] <UncleCheese> alright, going to buy one of those funky ass camera
455: [02:47:39] <UncleCheese> s
456: [02:47:40] <irogue_> apparently random guys getting peppersprayed by bitchy women is a big problem in NY and LA
457: [02:47:49] <UncleCheese> since i can't buy a gun
458: [02:47:56] <irogue_> try to ask a woman for directions -> pepper sprayed
459: [02:47:58] <UncleCheese> haha
460: [02:47:59] <UncleCheese> good!
461: [02:48:07] <UncleCheese> they've been putting up with shit for too long
462: [02:48:34] <irogue_> hold the door for a woman -> peppersprayed for being sexist or some shit
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464: [02:49:37] <irogue_> the whole subset of feminism that get annoyed about men holding doors for women really piss me off, cos I'll hold the door for anyone, it has nothing to do with gender
465: [02:49:56] <Colin[pi]> irogue_: yep me too
466: [02:50:01] <Colin[pi]> it's called "being polite"
467: [02:50:17] <antmas> the whole idea of feminism irks me, but I won't get into that :P
468: [02:50:18] <irogue_> had a woman yell "THIS ISN'T THE FIFTIES YOU SEXIST FUCK" at me when I held the door
469: [02:50:32] <Colin[pi]> irogue_: bitch
470: [02:50:35] <zippy> $Groups = Group::get(); vs $groups = Group::get(); ---- go!
471: [02:50:54] <irogue_> so I stopped holding it for her, it hit her in the face, and I got yelled at again
472: [02:51:00] <irogue_> worth it
473: [02:51:13] <Colin[pi]> ahahahaha!
474: [02:51:28] <Colin[pi]> you can't win with some people
475: [02:51:31] <JeremyRoundill> I'm a feminist. The whole idea is of equality, the largest part being economic equality.
476: [02:51:47] <irogue_> I think the issue is that many (not all) feminists aren't after equality
477: [02:51:57] <irogue_> they're actually fighting to be *above* men, not equal
478: [02:52:02] <Colin[pi]> ^ this
479: [02:52:05] <antmas> yeah
480: [02:52:18] <antmas> I'd rather be known as an 'equalisist'?
481: [02:52:25] <irogue_> +1
482: [02:52:27] <antmas> probably not the right word, but whatever
483: [02:52:35] <irogue_> as it also shouldn't be specific to just gender
484: [02:52:58] <JeremyRoundill> So you take exception to the militance of certain feminists?
485: [02:53:05] <JeremyRoundill> Feminism isn't specific to gender.
486: [02:53:22] <irogue_> pretty sure it is, by name :P
487: [02:53:37] <JeremyRoundill> What about the societal expectation of machismo?
488: [02:53:41] <JeremyRoundill> Doesn't that affect men?
489: [02:53:49] <JeremyRoundill> That's a part of the feminist struggle.
490: [02:53:56] <irogue_> i.e. feminism is the fight for female equality, not for race equality, or sexuality equality
491: [02:54:35] <irogue_> so it's really the wrong fight. the fight should be *everyone* is equal, not specifically that men and women are equal
492: [02:54:40] <JeremyRoundill> Oh, sorry. I mean feminism isn't specific to *a* gender.
493: [02:54:42] <JeremyRoundill> My bad.
494: [02:55:13] <antmas> then why is it called 'feminism'?
495: [02:55:14] <JeremyRoundill> I agree that everybody should be be equal, but that doesn't mean the struggle for female equality is a bad thing.
496: [02:55:33] <antmas> it should be called 'humanism'
497: [02:55:58] <irogue_> antmas: that term's already taken
498: [02:56:07] <irogue_> there's a humanist church in auckland
499: [02:56:14] <antmas> oh gutted
500: [02:56:19] <antmas> bloody churhes
501: [02:56:26] <irogue_> Humanism is a philosophical and ethical stance that emphasizes the value and agency of human beings, individually and collectively, and generally prefers critical thinking and evidence (rationalism, empiricism) over established doctrine or faith (fideism).
502: [02:56:26] <JeremyRoundill> Because the core issues largely negatively affect females.
503: [02:56:29] * antmas plays some black metal
504: [02:56:58] <JeremyRoundill> Besides, I think the name's fairly irrelevant.
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506: [02:57:49] <irogue_> JeremyRoundill: personal experience here, but those who specifically identify themselves as feminist tend to be the militant crazy type
507: [02:58:12] <irogue_> I think there are a fuckton of people who are proponents of equality but don't identify as feminist (myself included)
508: [02:58:18] <JeremyRoundill> irogue_: I identify as a feminist, and most of my feminist friends aren't like that.
509: [02:58:41] <UncleCheese> zippy do you know of a store that might carry that camera?
510: [02:58:59] <JeremyRoundill> If I was a female I probably would be quite militant though.
511: [02:59:16] <zippy> UncleCheese: http://pricespy.co.nz/product.php?p=882465
512: [02:59:21] <irogue_> JeremyRoundill: I've had a few friends who identify as feminist, they were all of the "we should figure out how to self-procreate and just get rid of men" ilk
513: [02:59:31] <zippy> UncleCheese: one of them might be welly
514: [02:59:37] <hailwood> Hey guys, does anyone know of a gallery plugin package that allows you to define the galleries somewhere, and then on the pages select a gallery to display?
515: [02:59:45] <UncleCheese> oh nice
516: [03:00:02] <JeremyRoundill> irogue_: Can you blame them? They're members of an oppressed section of society.
517: [03:00:19] <irogue_> JeremyRoundill: yes, I can blame them
518: [03:00:28] <irogue_> I'm gay, I don't say "lets just kill all the straights"
519: [03:00:42] <UncleCheese> zippy wow, that's an aweome site
520: [03:01:03] <zippy> UncleCheese: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIdQuNd6zVM#t=161
521: [03:01:25] <JeremyRoundill> irogue_: Sure, but it's reasonable to feel animosity toward our overly heterosexual culture, right?
522: [03:02:11] <irogue_> JeremyRoundill: animosity, sure. outright hostility? nope.
523: [03:02:20] <JeremyRoundill> irogue_: And the people perpetuating it are straight.
524: [03:03:11] <JeremyRoundill> irogue_: I don't know what the situation of the gay community is like. Perhaps I need to look into it further.
525: [03:04:37] <JeremyRoundill> irogue_: But if you had 11x the chance of being sexually assaulted by a straight person as vice versa, and you earned less because of your homosexuality maybe things would be different.
526: [03:05:00] <JeremyRoundill> Source: wikipedia :P
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531: [03:09:16] <irogue_> JeremyRoundill: I just think it hampers the fight rather than help it to make inflammatory statements like "get rid of all men" and start claiming that politeness is sexist
532: [03:09:51] <irogue_> it's a bit like if the civil rights movement had just said "fuck it, let's just kill off all the whites"
533: [03:12:14] <irogue_> the term feminist hasn't got the reputation it has for no reason - seems to me like the rational feminists need a new term that's not tainted by the militant folk
534: [03:16:03] <hailwood> On a site that I am building there is a carousel on each page - this carousel should display the same images on every page - So, I am wondering what be would be the best way to set this up? Extending SiteConfig with another tab maybe?
535: [03:17:51] <irogue_> hailwood: I'd use a ModelAdmin
536: [03:18:09] <JeremyRoundill> ^ Me too
537: [03:19:09] * hailwood researches ModelAdmin
538: [03:19:16] <zippy> I'd almost go with SiteConfig
539: [03:19:28] <JeremyRoundill> Yeah?
540: [03:19:31] <zippy> if the model admin is only going to handle the carousel, then i'd site config it
541: [03:19:50] <zippy> if there are other things like contract for submissions, then maybe a model admin
542: [03:20:06] <irogue_> my inclination towards ModelAdmin is because my experience is that when someone says "this will be the same on every page", that inevitably eventually ends up changing
543: [03:20:50] <irogue_> so I generally just architect things like that with an expectation of future changes
544: [03:21:15] <hailwood> irogue_, this is true. But I am working to a spec which says it doesn't change - so if a ModelAdmin is going to take longer than site config then I'll go with SiteConfig and then they can pay me more if they decide to change it
545: [03:22:07] <irogue_> hailwood: they'll take virtually identical amounts of time, it's basically just a difference in the location of where you manage it
546: [03:22:16] <irogue_> either will work fine
547: [03:22:34] <JeremyRoundill> Yeah, I prefer reading ModelAdmins over SiteConfigs.
548: [03:22:36] <JeremyRoundill> But that's just me
549: [03:22:52] <zippy> irogue_: how would a SiteConfig gridview be different to a model admin gridview?
550: [03:23:16] <zippy> nm
551: [03:23:23] <zippy> nope point still stands
552: [03:24:28] <JeremyRoundill> hailwood: http://pastebin.com/index/cTPjdtvy
553: [03:24:50] <irogue_> zippy: I think it's just personal preference. I tell customers that Settings is where the site-wide settings are. if something is likely to be non-sitewide, and admins one or possibly more models, I'll lean toward ModelAdmin
554: [03:25:06] <JeremyRoundill> I think that'll do it, but it's been a few weeks since I've worked on a SS ModelAdmin, so there's a chance it won't. :)
555: [03:25:16] <zippy> JeremyRoundill: UploadField::create('Image')->setFolderName('Uploads/Carousel');
556: [03:25:26] <zippy> I hate slapping everything int he uploads folder, it gets nasty
557: [03:25:31] <JeremyRoundill> Haha
558: [03:25:36] <irogue_> +1
559: [03:25:42] <JeremyRoundill> I should definitely make that a habit, cheers.
560: [03:26:23] <irogue_> one of our clients actually doesn't allow any uploadfields. they want the cms authors to all use AssetAdmin so they're forced to think about what folder the asset goes in
561: [03:26:45] <hailwood> JeremyRoundill: Aren't you defining the same class twice there?
562: [03:27:12] <irogue_> yeah, the second should be CarouselImageAdmin or something
563: [03:27:13] <JeremyRoundill> hailwood: probably
564: [03:27:20] <JeremyRoundill> ^ that
565: [03:27:47] <JeremyRoundill> hailwood: It's a typo, I must have accidentally overwritten the "Admin" bit of the class in my code
566: [03:28:12] <zippy> it's a shame you can't do 'Icon.CroppedImage(25,25)' in the summary_fields
567: [03:28:23] <JeremyRoundill> Yeah, that would be great.
568: [03:28:36] <hailwood> Hmm, Model admins are quite cool.
569: [03:28:41] <JeremyRoundill> Yeah, they're great :)
570: [03:29:05] <JeremyRoundill> I want a singleton version.
571: [03:29:37] <JeremyRoundill> SiteConfigs don't do it for me as much as ModelAdmins. :P
572: [03:30:25] <irogue_> I like SiteConfig for things like the GA ID, Twitter handle, contact details
573: [03:30:47] <irogue_> things that aren't changed often and can be hidden away under Settings
574: [03:30:55] <JeremyRoundill> Can you create another SiteConfig tab?
575: [03:30:57] <irogue_> but are best not hardcoded
576: [03:31:00] <JeremyRoundill> Or is it always Settings?
577: [03:32:14] <Colin[pi]> JeremyRoundill: you can create tabs within the siteconfig area yeah
578: [03:32:37] <JeremyRoundill> Colin[pi]: Groovy, maybe I'll have to look into it more.
579: [03:32:45] <spronk> hmm
580: [03:32:49] <spronk> anyone know how to turn off the text animation in skype?
581: [03:32:57] <spronk> like.. the chat appearance
582: [03:33:01] <Colin[pi]> spronk: text animation?
583: [03:33:07] <novaweb> spronk
584: [03:33:07] <spronk> when you type a message
585: [03:33:10] <novaweb> gimme two secs
586: [03:33:10] <spronk> then it like... bubbles in
587: [03:33:19] <Colin[pi]> oh the notification thingy
588: [03:33:36] <Colin[pi]> spronk: I think it goes away if your status is set to away
589: [03:33:38] * spronk just did the forced upgrade
590: [03:33:38] <JeremyRoundill> I was using Skype Metro last night, I couldn't work out how to turn the volume down because I've got Windows in Te Reo.
591: [03:33:40] <Colin[pi]> not sure though
592: [03:33:42] <spronk> hmm, not that
593: [03:33:43] <spronk> in the chat window
594: [03:33:49] <spronk> when new lines of chat appear
595: [03:33:55] <spronk> instead of just appearing it sorta.... animates in
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597: [03:36:28] <spronk> also, how to make it less fucking blue :|
598: [03:37:44] <irogue_> zzzzz
599: [03:37:48] <irogue_> never ended up getting caffeine
600: [03:37:50] <irogue_> am fading fast
601: [03:38:21] <hailwood> Hey JeremyRoundill with the modelAdmins I want to add UndefinedOffset/SortableGridField so I can do drag/drop sorting of the CarouselImages, and also edit the columns that are displayed - so mind putting me on the right path for replacing the default gridfield that is displayed?
602: [03:39:16] <JeremyRoundill> hailwood: Oh, snap. I might have to have a bit of a look through my code to see if I've done something similar.
603: [03:40:50] * zippy just wants to nom all the food in the pantry
604: [03:41:08] <spronk> irogue_, yeah, same
605: [03:41:11] <spronk> i'm not productive at all
606: [03:42:12] <Colin[pi]> spronk irogue_: heading towards my afternoon sleepy time, thanks for thre reminder
607: [03:42:37] <hailwood> That would be appreciated
608: [03:44:07] <spronk> anyone else watch the walking dead>?
609: [03:44:16] <zippy> spronk: yeap
610: [03:44:26] <spronk> maggie is a baaabe?
611: [03:44:38] <JeremyRoundill> hailwood: Looks like I haven't done anything like that before.
612: [03:44:51] <zippy> missed a couple of seasons, but watch the last half of last season and start of new
613: [03:44:57] <JeremyRoundill> hailwood: Might be worth asking these guys about it.
614: [03:44:58] <spronk> i love it
615: [03:45:54] <JeremyRoundill> hailwood: To edit the columns which are displayed, you're looking at the summary_fields variable
616: [03:46:07] <JeremyRoundill> hailwood: private static $summary_fields = array('Name','Author');
617: [03:46:59] <zippy> hailwood: SiteConfig, done
618: [03:48:28] <zippy> hailwood: with a model admin, I believe you could use a custom     public function getEditForm($id = null, $fields = null) { and $gridField->getConfig()->addComponent( add sortable gridfield here);
619: [03:49:00] <zippy> hailwood: http://doc.silverstripe.org/framework/en/reference/modeladmin -> scroll down to To alter how the results are displayed
620: [03:50:41] * irogue_ returns with caffiene and chocolate
621: [03:51:18] <irogue_> guys, I need suggestions
622: [03:51:22] <irogue_> where the fuck do I buy clothes?
623: [03:52:02] <irogue_> the warehouse's clothing selection has gone to complete shite, and hallensteins has gone too hipster
624: [03:52:07] <irogue_> i'm not the right shape for chinos :P
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626: [03:52:28] <irogue_> (whatever the fuck they are)
627: [03:52:44] <timezone> web, hallensteins, snowboarding stores for me
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629: [03:53:14] <spronk> barkers
630: [03:53:21] <timezone> yeah barkers is good
631: [03:53:24] <spronk> well
632: [03:53:26] <spronk> barkers outlet
633: [03:53:29] <spronk> because they're getting pricey
634: [03:53:34] <timezone> TALK ABOUT TECHNOLOGY PLZ
635: [03:53:34] <spronk> meccano can be alright
636: [03:53:47] <spronk> maybe try yd and tarocash if you have them up there
637: [03:54:01] <timezone> where is irogue_
638: [03:54:08] <irogue_> yeah there's a tarocash on the corner of queen/customs
639: [03:54:12] <irogue_> never been in there
640: [03:54:17] <timezone> what suburb
641: [03:54:23] <timezone> shore has a tarocash even
642: [03:54:26] <timezone> two maybe
643: [03:54:29] <irogue_> walked past it a bunch of times before I even realised it was a clothing store
644: [03:54:39] <irogue_> just saw name and assumed it was an FX place targeting pacific islanders
645: [03:54:41] <spronk> its aaight
646: [03:54:47] <spronk> LAWL
647: [03:55:02] <spronk> its on the more formal side
648: [03:55:06] <spronk> yd is on the more casual side
649: [03:55:26] <spronk> pretty sure both are owned by the same group
650: [03:55:28] <irogue_> timezone: I live in manurewa, but I'd be shopping in CBD
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652: [03:56:07] <irogue_> spronk: I'm not aware of a YD, might not have them here
653: [03:56:24] <spronk> apparently there's one in manukau mal
654: [03:56:24] <spronk> l
655: [03:56:56] <irogue_> oh ok
656: [03:57:11] <irogue_> v close to my house
657: [03:57:28] <irogue_> looks like barkers outlet is at Dress-Smart Onehunga
658: [03:57:48] <spronk> join their vip club thing
659: [03:58:07] <spronk> ss23, what video?
660: [03:58:17] <hailwood> JeremyRoundill: zippy: Yep, Here's how I ended up doing it: https://gist.github.com/hailwood/92ce49dab81d45653282
661: [03:58:30] <hailwood> Cheers, now I gtg - angry wife in the car lol
662: [03:58:58] * willr quit (Quit: willr)
663: [03:58:59] <irogue_> ugh
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665: [03:59:02] <irogue_> 10am-5pm
666: [03:59:04] <spronk> ugh, wives
667: [03:59:05] <irogue_> what annoying shopping hours
668: [03:59:07] <spronk> :p
669: [03:59:07] <spronk> haha
670: [03:59:09] <spronk> IKR
671: [03:59:19] <spronk> riccarton mall in chch is busy as fuck at 6pm when it closes, almost every night, without fail
672: [03:59:24] <zippy> hailwood: $gridField = $form->Fields()->fieldByName('CarouselImage'); would be a nicer way to do it
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674: [04:00:06] <irogue_> at least westfield manukau is open til 9pm on thu/fri
675: [04:00:14] * camfindlay quit (Client Quit)
676: [04:00:16] <irogue_> so I can viably go there after work
677: [04:01:19] <irogue_> I hate clothes shopping, so I've ended up at the point where most of my clothes have holes
678: [04:01:27] <JeremyRoundill> hailwood: Cheers, I'll have a read for future reference :)
679: [04:02:01] <ss23> spronk: on the homepage now
680: [04:02:02] <spronk> irogue_, yeah lol
681: [04:02:07] <spronk> ss23, oh that... its weird.
682: [04:02:12] <spronk> just
683: [04:02:14] <spronk> some bird typing
684: [04:02:21] <spronk> and someone standing in the background
685: [04:02:22] <spronk> :/
686: [04:02:33] <spronk> what a waste of my precious gigabytes
687: [04:02:54] * hailwood quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
688: [04:03:06] <irogue_> better if it was a literal bird typing
689: [04:03:45] * caamic30 quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)
690: [04:04:01] <spronk> OMF
691: [04:04:02] <spronk> G
692: [04:04:04] <spronk> ss23,
693: [04:04:05] <spronk> MAKE IT HAPPEN
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695: [04:04:38] <zippy> ss23: is that you?
696: [04:04:58] <zippy> ... has the long hair... hard to tell
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700: [04:13:26] <ss23> zippy: :(
701: [04:13:34] <ss23> lol irogue_
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703: [04:18:17] * Kingy is now known as Kingy[a]
704: [04:18:44] <irogue_> hey guys
705: [04:18:45] <irogue_> fuck SSL
706: [04:19:25] <zippy> mm?
707: [04:19:31] <spronk> lol
708: [04:19:36] <spronk> POODLE, irogue_ ?
709: [04:20:40] <Colin[pi]> we should all just boycott SSL amirite?
710: [04:20:51] <Colin[pi]> I mean, if everyone is insecure... NO ONE IS
711: [04:20:57] <Colin[pi]> think about it
712: [04:23:20] <zippy> ol Colin[pi], always th philosopher..
713: [04:23:26] <Colin[pi]> ^.^
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717: [04:28:15] <irogue_> spronk: nah
718: [04:28:23] <Colin[pi]> aww another missing call from an indian tech spammer
719: [04:28:25] <Colin[pi]> *missed
720: [04:28:29] <irogue_> client gave us an ssl cert as a .jks file
721: [04:28:53] <irogue_> turns out java has its own proprietary ssl cert format instead of just using .pem like the rest of the world
722: [04:29:28] <Colin[pi]> but.. why?
723: [04:29:46] <irogue_> cos java
724: [04:29:52] <Colin[pi]> fucking java
725: [04:29:53] <Colin[pi]> pos
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727: [04:32:32] <zippy> irogue_: not like a .jar which is really just a zip?
728: [04:32:43] <irogue_> nah
729: [04:32:53] <irogue_> apparently it can be converted to a .p12 and then from there to a .pem
730: [04:32:58] <Colin[pi]> lame
731: [04:33:53] * zippy quit (Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…)
732: [04:33:53] <irogue_> this is the same project as all the SOAP pain though, so I'm getting rather sick of constant roadblocks!
733: [04:34:16] <Colin[pi]> irogue_: ugh projects like that tend to continue the same way too :\
734: [04:34:29] <Colin[pi]> "bad smell" projects
735: [04:35:03] <irogue_> yeeeep
736: [04:35:21] <irogue_> feeling pretty happy about massively overquoting it
737: [04:35:27] <Colin[pi]> haha
738: [04:35:31] <Colin[pi]> yeah that makes up for it a bit
739: [04:35:46] <irogue_> I was like "on paper all we're doing is changing an API endpoint. but it's never that easy when dealing with external APIs, so let's quote it and then multiply it by 10"
740: [04:35:59] <irogue_> project manager was like OMG WAT
741: [04:36:09] <irogue_> bet he's happy we convinced him now
742: [04:36:22] <Colin[pi]> wasnt this the one where you had to quote but didnt know the API details?
743: [04:36:58] <irogue_> yup
744: [04:37:15] <Colin[pi]> yeah, that would ring major alarm bells for me
745: [04:37:30] <irogue_> we said "give us proper API spec" they said "can't, but it's 100% the same except for changing endpoint"
746: [04:37:48] <irogue_> so we went for worst case scenario estimation
747: [04:38:16] <Colin[pi]> yeah good call
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754: [05:03:05] <irogue_> jesus
755: [05:03:12] <irogue_> TIL what non warehouse/hallensteins clothes cost
756: [05:07:48] <ss23> like $.10?
757: [05:07:51] <ss23> Oh
758: [05:07:55] <ss23> I see what you mean
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762: [05:52:13] <ss23> It's always weird when the aliasing of RL gets messed up
763: [05:52:20] <ss23> PLS TURN UP GFX
764: [05:53:26] <Colin[pi]> RL?
765: [05:54:30] <ss23> Real life
766: [05:55:04] <Colin[pi]> oh lol
767: [05:55:36] <Colin[pi]> www.reddit.com/r/outside
768: [06:01:48] <Colin[pi]> fucking frodo: http://i.imgur.com/mQKRKOs.jpg
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771: [06:16:04] <guci0> Hello World!
772: [06:16:19] <Colin[pi]> hi guci0!
773: [06:17:48] <guci0> ;))
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777: [06:31:01] <wmk> gooood moooorniiinggg
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782: [06:42:14] <Robke> morning
783: [06:44:05] <ss23> moin moin
784: [06:44:47] <jordanmk> anyone ever used the restrictedobjects module (https://github.com/nyeholt/silverstripe-restrictedobjects) to restrict dataobjects (in particular, to allow some groups to only save dataobjects but not publish them)
785: [06:45:25] <jordanmk> or anyone know of another way i can achieve what i'm after? i've already got the versioning set up for the dataobject class i want, now just trying to give different permissions to different groups
786: [06:48:49] <jordanmk> i've tried adding the function canPublish() to the class (like SiteTree does), but it doesn't seem to have any effect when viewing an object of the class
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790: [07:05:42] <jordanmk> i ended up doing what i wanted by overriding getBetterButtonsActions() (part of BetterButtons module) for my class and then removing fields for users who don't have the right permissions. there's probably a nicer way to do it though
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793: [07:41:02] <wmk> jordanmk, configuring betterbuttons is ok...
794: [07:41:46] <wmk> maybe you have to configure canView() in your DO to check the state
795: [07:42:21] <wmk> dunno if versioned module provides some logic for permissions by state
796: [07:45:43] <wmk> seems it doesn't
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803: [08:14:19] <ocmnt> howdy
804: [08:15:10] <wmk> servus
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806: [08:34:56] <spronk2> i’ll whip your face
807: [08:34:57] <spronk2> right off
808: [08:34:58] <spronk2> ss23:
809: [08:35:05] <ss23> lol
810: [08:35:06] <ss23> <3
811: [08:35:11] <spronk2> :D
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814: [08:48:48] <Py^_^k> working late adrexia_ ? simon_w ? Or has this just become internets home?
815: [08:49:01] <simon_w> simon_w|work is my work machine
816: [08:49:02] <spronk2> fuckin.. sup pyaznk
817: [08:49:08] <ss23> lol
818: [08:49:08] <simon_w> Screw turning it off
819: [08:49:34] <ss23> Speaking of simon_w, do you remember the bug where if you tried to auth with basicauth (isDev=1) it didn't count as a failedlogin so you could bruteforece?
820: [08:49:42] <ss23> I remember... I think willr did a fix for it or something
821: [08:50:04] <willr> Yep fixed in 3.1.6
822: [08:50:27] <spronk2> WD WILLR GOLD STAR
823: [08:50:56] <ss23> willr: Oh you're here
824: [08:51:01] <ss23> willr: Was it fixed for 3.0?
825: [08:51:09] <ss23> We say we'll backport security fixes for 3.0 and someone asked
826: [08:51:40] <willr> I think it was a change in 3.1 which caused in. Hamish didn’t like my fix but he can suck it
827: [08:51:46] <willr> Security isn’t opt in.
828: [08:51:50] <spronk2> heh
829: [08:51:53] <spronk2> amen
830: [08:52:06] <ss23> lol
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832: [08:52:13] <ss23> Wait so it should work fine for 3.0, willr?
833: [08:52:18] <ss23> Someone said it wasn't, but I didn't verify myself
834: [08:52:24] <ss23> (That is, they said they could bruteforce it)
835: [08:52:40] <willr> I will send you the issue PM.
836: [08:52:48] <willr> sorry guys :)
837: [08:54:48] <simon_w> "If the NBN is not currently available at your address, please continue to check our website for updates."
838: [08:54:53] <simon_w> Why no estimated timeline? :(
839: [08:55:53] <spronk2> ugh
840: [08:55:56] <spronk2> same for UFB here, simon_w
841: [08:56:03] <spronk2> chorus has ~2 years planned at any one stage
842: [08:56:14] <simon_w> spronk2, so, not the same :p
843: [08:56:14] <spronk2> enable in NZ have at most 1 year, at least a month or two
844: [08:56:29] <simon_w> NBNCo has "Preparing", "Building", "Done"
845: [08:56:30] <spronk2> nahhh
846: [08:56:34] <spronk2> yeah
847: [08:56:41] <spronk2> enable has “done”, “soon”, or “no information at all"
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849: [08:59:13] <irogue> I just got a letter in the mail from chorus saying they're about to start building
850: [08:59:34] <irogue> when I moved in here I checked their map and it said Jan-Feb 2015, so I'd say they're on track for that
851: [09:01:06] <irogue> I know for UFF in Waikato/BOP, they didn't update their site very often but RSPs had access to the database directly. So I usually just tweeted Snap to ask for ETAs for availability at addresses :P
852: [09:01:49] <irogue> I did probably end up signing about 50% of them up to Snap, so they didn't feel too used
853: [09:04:19] <spronk2> m m
854: [09:04:51] <spronk2> how do you fit an elephant into a safeway bag?
855: [09:05:29] <simon_w> How big's a safeway bag?
856: [09:05:38] <irogue> how big is the elephant?
857: [09:05:39] <spronk2> smaller than an elephant
858: [09:05:49] <irogue> elephpants are pretty small
859: [09:06:01] <spronk2> anyway
860: [09:06:01] <spronk2> to do it
861: [09:06:04] <spronk2> you take the s out of safe
862: [09:06:08] <spronk2> and the f out of way
863: [09:06:58] * spronk2 waits for it
864: [09:07:37] <irogue> afeway
865: [09:07:59] <spronk2> IROGUE IS FAIL
866: [09:10:44] <kinglozzer> dafuq has happened to the SilverStripe home page?
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869: [09:11:06] <spronk2> ?
870: [09:11:09] <spronk2> .org?
871: [09:11:12] <kinglozzer> yeah
872: [09:11:15] <spronk2> that ideo thing?
873: [09:11:19] <kinglozzer> yeah O.o
874: [09:11:22] <spronk2> yeahhh
875: [09:11:23] <spronk2> dno
876: [09:11:26] <spronk2> ask ss23 its his fault
877: [09:11:41] <ss23> um
878: [09:11:44] <ss23> ideo?
879: [09:11:47] <ss23> video
880: [09:11:48] <ss23> um
881: [09:11:55] <ss23> I'll have you know I asked them very aggresivly not to do it
882: [09:12:01] <ss23> Like
883: [09:12:11] <ss23> When I say aggressive, I mean like... to the point where I knid of almost got in trouble for it kind of
884: [09:12:14] <ss23> They did it anyway.
885: [09:12:30] <kinglozzer> lol ss23, I appreciate the effort
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887: [09:12:52] <irogue> plz everyone complain
888: [09:16:03] <irogue> use that feedback widgety thing to say how stupid a random video of a woman pretending to computer is
889: [09:16:41] <simon_w> "preload="auto" autoplay"
890: [09:16:43] <simon_w> Fuck that
891: [09:16:50] <ss23> if you watch closely, you can see the man in the background disappear
892: [09:16:53] <kinglozzer> I uh... I don't get it
893: [09:17:04] <kinglozzer> How did they reach the conclusion that that'd be a good addition?
894: [09:17:10] <kinglozzer> Seriously? D:
895: [09:17:31] <ss23> You know how all those companies use terms like "military grade encryption" and things?
896: [09:17:35] <ss23> Yeah, same idea
897: [09:18:13] <Py^_^k> [09:49] <spronk2> fuckin.. sup pyaznk
898: [09:18:16] <Py^_^k> sup you racist
899: [09:18:18] <madmatt> You mean like my new motherboard? http://www.asus.com/nz/Motherboards/SABERTOOTH_Z97_MARK_1/
900: [09:18:26] <ss23> hahah madmatt
901: [09:18:30] <Py^_^k> spronk2: winston peters imitation day?
902: [09:18:36] <ss23> [TUF 10K Ti-Caps, TUF New Alloy Choke & MOSFETs; Certified by Military-standard]
903: [09:18:40] <Py^_^k> :P
904: [09:18:41] <spronk2> lol
905: [09:19:28] <irogue> the sabertooths are good mobos... but that one has gone crazy with the "add random shit to make it seem cool!"
906: [09:19:33] <Py^_^k> [09:51] <@willr> I think it was a change in 3.1 which caused in. Hamish didn’t like my fix but he can suck it
907: [09:19:34] <Py^_^k> lol
908: [09:19:37] <irogue> NEEDS MORE PLASTIC
909: [09:20:02] <Colin[pi]> jesus wtf is that mobo
910: [09:20:16] <Colin[pi]> I kinda like to see the pcb :\
911: [09:20:51] * zippy has joined #silverstripe
912: [09:21:05] <simon_w> Uh, the video's under something. This is making adblock more annoying to use.
913: [09:21:38] <irogue> simon_w: yeah, the video isn't blue, it's sitting under a blue layer
914: [09:21:48] <ss23> dude, how often do you ever go to the homepage of ss.org? :P
915: [09:21:51] <ss23> I never do
916: [09:21:58] * BetterBert quit (Quit: (null))
917: [09:21:59] <Py^_^k> spronk2: dafuq?
918: [09:22:07] <Py^_^k> [10:12] <@ss23> When I say aggressive, I mean like... to the point where I knid of almost got in trouble for it kind of
919: [09:22:09] <Py^_^k> dafuq?
920: [09:22:19] <kinglozzer> Py^_^k: http://silverstripe.org
921: [09:22:20] <kinglozzer> and wait
922: [09:22:31] <spronk2> o_O
923: [09:22:32] <irogue> ss23: its true, I just have api.ss as a pinned tab
924: [09:22:39] <ss23> I didn't really get in trouble for it
925: [09:22:45] <ss23> but it was like "wow you are really aggressive..."
926: [09:23:03] <simon_w> ||silverstripe.org/themes/ssv3/img/video/
927: [09:23:04] <irogue> lol, had they not got to see that side of you yet ss23?!? after you working there that long!
928: [09:23:05] <ss23> When people think something is a good idea and someone is like "LOL NO IT'S SHIT YOU'RE FUCKING RETARDED", I can understand why people are like "dude"
929: [09:23:06] <simon_w> AdBlock rule!
930: [09:23:11] <ss23> irogue: New marketing person, remember
931: [09:23:12] <ss23> :P
932: [09:23:18] <irogue> ss23: ah yes
933: [09:23:22] <spronk2> looool
934: [09:23:39] <Py^_^k> spronk2: the background?
935: [09:23:52] <spronk2> mm
936: [09:23:58] <irogue> I like Nicole... but she's from the land of aircon, where a video like that would probably be a great idea
937: [09:24:08] <Py^_^k> wtf is aircon?
938: [09:24:12] <Py^_^k> is it like airsoft?
939: [09:24:18] <irogue> air conditioning..
940: [09:24:20] <spronk2> USia
941: [09:24:20] <spronk2> ?
942: [09:24:26] <Py^_^k> NOT EVEN SOFT, it's like paintball, but they don't explode!
943: [09:24:34] <irogue> she previously worked at Mitsubishi Electric
944: [09:24:47] <spronk2> oh dang
945: [09:24:54] <spronk2> not exactly known for their marketing prowess :p
946: [09:24:58] <irogue> i disagree
947: [09:25:03] <irogue> that fucking radio/tv ad jingle
948: [09:25:05] <irogue> NEVER LEAVES MY HEAD
949: [09:25:09] <ss23> MITSUBISHI ELECTRIC~
950: [09:25:10] <spronk2> yeah but
951: [09:25:14] <irogue> yeah that one
952: [09:25:17] <ss23> mitsubishi elecTRIC
953: [09:25:25] <irogue> mention heatpumps to me, whats the brand that immediately comes to mind?
954: [09:25:31] <ss23> IT'S MITSUBISHIELECTRIC
955: [09:25:32] <spronk2> steven fleming being a douche
956: [09:25:44] <Py^_^k> steven flem... YES spronk2 !
957: [09:25:47] <ss23> I just think the target audience is mixed
958: [09:25:47] <irogue> used to be Fujitsu, but now it's MITSUBISHI ELECTRIC
959: [09:25:52] <Py^_^k> which one was that even? dakin?
960: [09:25:56] <spronk2> fujitsu
961: [09:25:57] <ss23> ss.org is probably techy people who are like "ioh god wtf video"
962: [09:25:59] <Py^_^k> oh
963: [09:25:59] <zippy> haha I was going to say fujitsu
964: [09:26:02] <ss23> ss.com should be video'd up the wazoo
965: [09:26:11] <irogue> ya, the steven fleming ad is why it used to be fujitsu
966: [09:26:18] <Py^_^k> so why is there a video, and why is it such a thing?
967: [09:26:22] <spronk2> tb
968: [09:26:23] <spronk2> h
969: [09:26:26] <spronk2> heat pumps became a commodity
970: [09:26:28] <spronk2> they’re all the same now
971: [09:26:33] <simon_w> Py^_^k, marketing BS
972: [09:26:33] <spronk2> noone cares what brand they buy
973: [09:26:38] <irogue> idk, some are still far better than others
974: [09:26:44] <spronk2> well
975: [09:26:48] <Py^_^k> simon_w: yeah I get that but... like... why is everyone all 'dude wtf' over it?
976: [09:26:48] <simon_w> Ours is a Panasonic
977: [09:26:49] <spronk2> as long as you buy mitsi/fuji/daikin
978: [09:26:51] <zippy> because cool sites, have them, like https://www.paypal.com/
979: [09:26:57] <spronk2> maybe pana
980: [09:26:57] <spronk2> you’re fine
981: [09:26:59] <spronk2> jsut don’t buy like
982: [09:27:03] <Py^_^k> is there actually noise in the video?
983: [09:27:03] <spronk2> EzCoolHeatPro
984: [09:27:08] <irogue> yeah, those are the 4 good ones
985: [09:27:09] <zippy> spronk2: Transonic?
986: [09:27:11] <Py^_^k> or is it just a mildly animated background?
987: [09:27:13] <spronk2> haha
988: [09:27:16] <spronk2> Kensington
989: [09:27:24] <irogue> but there are well-known brands that are shit at heatpumps
990: [09:27:26] <irogue> e.g. DeLonghi
991: [09:27:30] <Colin[pi]> are we seriously discussing aircon brands?
992: [09:27:32] <Colin[pi]> srsly?
993: [09:27:35] <Py^_^k> also, did SS take the video themselves? who the fuck is the two finger hero in it?
994: [09:27:35] <irogue> Colin[pi]: of course
995: [09:27:36] <spronk2> delonghi are shit at a lot of things though
996: [09:27:39] <irogue> yes
997: [09:27:41] <Colin[pi]> slow night :P
998: [09:27:45] * Shrike_Finland has joined #silverstripe
999: [09:27:48] <irogue> especially dehumidifiers
1000: [09:27:50] <spronk2> haha
1001: [09:27:52] <spronk2> yeahhh
1002: [09:27:53] <irogue> of which only ever buy MITSUBISHI ELECTRIC
1003: [09:27:56] <spronk2> mitsubishi rule the roost there :P
1004: [09:27:57] <simon_w> Py^_^k, it's a <video> set to autoplay, with the contents look more like a stock image type thing of someone coding
1005: [09:28:05] <simon_w> Well, someone computer-ing
1006: [09:28:06] <Py^_^k> WHY WOULD YOU PUT A VIDEO OF A TWO FINGER HERO ON A SITE DEDICATED TO GEEKS THAT CAN TYPE PROPERLY?
1007: [09:28:11] <spronk2> lawl
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1009: [09:28:17] <spronk2> i dont get the video
1010: [09:28:20] <spronk2> its one of those
1011: [09:28:30] <Py^_^k> simon_w: because it's not someone coding!
1012: [09:28:34] <spronk2> “we need something to fill this space it’s too static” bullshit created problems
1013: [09:28:34] <irogue> tbh should be a video of a hackfest or at least an SS office with actual devs actually working
1014: [09:28:46] <spronk2> noooooo
1015: [09:28:48] <simon_w> Also, I thought animated backgrounds died in the 90s
1016: [09:28:51] <spronk2> it should be
1017: [09:28:51] <Py^_^k> I cannot name a coder anywhere that codes with the twofinger method... unless they're also holding their lunch at the same time.
1018: [09:28:56] <irogue> and if it has actual devs actually working
1019: [09:28:58] <spronk2> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmR3wIBJZbk
1020: [09:29:00] <spronk2> THIS
1021: [09:29:02] <irogue> there needs to be a look of frustration
1022: [09:29:16] <irogue> and the occasional "fuck this shit"
1023: [09:29:17] <Py^_^k> irogue: but blurry
1024: [09:29:20] <spronk2> irogue: ^^^^^
1025: [09:29:21] <Py^_^k> haha, yes
1026: [09:29:51] <spronk2> that video sums up programming nicely
1027: [09:29:57] <spronk2> except WE STILL DONT HAVE COOL CUBE THINGS
1028: [09:30:27] <Sj0hn> Hey, does any have experience with the DOAP Filter module?
1029: [09:30:27] <irogue> a timelapse of SS Akl office (can't speak for Wlg, haven't spent enough time there) would be pretty hilarious
1030: [09:30:41] <spronk2> DOAP? O_o
1031: [09:30:46] <Sj0hn> Data object as page
1032: [09:30:49] <spronk2> ohhhh
1033: [09:30:53] <ss23> 22:28:52 < Py^_^k> I cannot name a coder anywhere that codes with the twofinger method... unless they're also holding their lunch at the same time.
1034: [09:30:53] <irogue> thank god
1035: [09:30:56] <Colin[pi]> this video does not have a smooth loop!
1036: [09:30:56] <ss23> front enders do it a lot
1037: [09:30:57] <Colin[pi]> wtfd
1038: [09:30:59] <irogue> thought that was gonna be a typo of SOAP
1039: [09:31:00] <Colin[pi]> fix it!
1040: [09:31:07] <spronk2> LOL irogue so did I!
1041: [09:31:12] <simon_w> None of the other header images make sense, but at least they don't move
1042: [09:31:39] <irogue> Sj0hn: haven't used it sorry
1043: [09:31:51] <irogue> i've done plenty of my own half-arsed implementations of it, but never used the module
1044: [09:31:56] <zippy> spronk2: and I don't drink wine...
1045: [09:32:10] <Sj0hn> I got an SQL error: http://paste2.org/FJAAUDJk
1046: [09:32:31] <irogue> @davidfarrier: keith bit me in the car today. i got so angry i yelled at him. he bit me again. i pulled over had a talk to him at the BP. i think we're O K
1047: [09:32:44] <simon_w> "Ensure that your website is secure, reliable, fast" Which is why you're using SilverStripe. Cause you want fast.
1048: [09:32:52] <Py^_^k> spronk2: simon_w ss23 so... this new marketing thing...
1049: [09:33:00] <spronk2> hah
1050: [09:33:05] <spronk2> you’re so bitter these days, simon_w
1051: [09:33:06] <Py^_^k> I bet they still didn't update the other stock images to be ACTUAL NZ SCENERY
1052: [09:33:06] <spronk2> it’s great
1053: [09:33:15] <Py^_^k> imo
1054: [09:33:26] <Py^_^k> also yeah, it's good to have constructive criticism
1055: [09:33:27] <zippy> Sj0hn: Unknown column 'Product_Prijsklassen.PrijsklasseID' in 'on clause'
1056: [09:33:33] <spronk2> zippy: neither do i, but hey
1057: [09:33:33] <zippy> Sj0hn: dev/build?
1058: [09:33:47] <irogue> wine is yuck
1059: [09:33:50] <simon_w> spronk2, not being on the core team is so freeing!
1060: [09:33:54] * irogue downs a cider
1061: [09:33:57] <spronk2> ;D
1062: [09:33:59] <irogue> I'm not an alcoholic, I swear
1063: [09:34:00] <Py^_^k> [10:30] <@ss23> front enders do it a lot
1064: [09:34:06] <Py^_^k> ss23: I said coder, not designer!
1065: [09:34:08] <spronk2> started Goldslash yet?
1066: [09:34:12] <irogue> [10:30] <@ss23> front enders do it a lot
1067: [09:34:16] <ss23> Py^_^k: You eliteist :P
1068: [09:34:16] <irogue> wait, are we still talking about typing?
1069: [09:34:20] <ss23> lol
1070: [09:34:25] <Py^_^k> ss23: hehe, yeh I'm a cunt :P
1071: [09:34:41] <spronk2> FIREWORKS 4 LYF
1072: [09:34:54] <zippy> irogue: http://logs.simon.geek.nz/index.php?date=2014-10-20#log_1456920 http://logs.simon.geek.nz/index.php?date=2014-10-18#log_1454350 http://logs.simon.geek.nz/index.php?date=2014-10-17#log_1453207 http://logs.simon.geek.nz/index.php?date=2014-10-17#log_1453643
1073: [09:34:58] <zippy> irogue: I see no problems there
1074: [09:34:59] <Py^_^k> But yeh, they are coders. But generally designers that have learnt code, and have reasonable brains.
1075: [09:35:16] <Py^_^k> as opposed to someone who has been talking to machines since they were a youngling
1076: [09:35:23] <irogue> zippy: bahaha
1077: [09:35:25] <Py^_^k> because they're easier than people
1078: [09:35:28] * BetterBert has joined #silverstripe
1079: [09:35:40] <simon_w> http://www.silverstripe.com/platform/code-review-and-performance-testing/ I know a great project that could use that code review!
1080: [09:35:57] <irogue> zippy: https://www.google.co.nz/search?hl=en&q=beer%20o%27clock%20site%3Alogs.simon.geek.nz
1081: [09:36:04] <zippy> simon_w: hehe
1082: [09:36:06] <Py^_^k> lol zippy
1083: [09:36:07] <irogue> 65 results!
1084: [09:36:12] <Py^_^k> hehe irogue
1085: [09:36:15] <Py^_^k> now do vodka!
1086: [09:36:22] <Sj0hn> zippy: Did dev/build few times
1087: [09:36:41] <simon_w> irogue, I count 73: http://logs.simon.geek.nz/search.php?q=beer+o%27clock
1088: [09:36:41] <BetterBert> Question. A DataList is a cached DataQuery which is only rendered when used e.g. in a template. What I need is to get the DataList and split it into 2 halves before sending it to a template. This seems to be a lot more difficult than I was anticipating, any tips, hints, pointers great appreciaited.
1089: [09:36:55] <zippy> anyone jumped the bullet with Yosemite ?
1090: [09:36:58] <irogue> https://www.google.co.nz/search?hl=en&q=vodka+site:logs.simon.geek.nz
1091: [09:37:04] <irogue> holy shit, first result is 2009 me
1092: [09:37:05] <ss23> BetterBert: Why do you need to split it?
1093: [09:37:11] <Py^_^k> BetterBert: well... what?
1094: [09:37:24] <simon_w> zippy, been running it second DP2
1095: [09:37:24] <Py^_^k> you get it, count it, split it with ->limit
1096: [09:37:31] <irogue> http://simon.geek.nz/assets/Simon/v.jpg
1097: [09:37:47] <ss23> DO YOU WANT ANTS?
1098: [09:37:49] <ss23> THATS HOW YOU GET ANTS
1099: [09:37:57] <simon_w> Haha, I remember that windowsill
1100: [09:37:58] <zippy> simon_w: I didn't even go for maverics, but tempted with Yosemite
1101: [09:37:59] <Py^_^k> lol ss23
1102: [09:38:08] <irogue> simon_w: when're you open sourcing SimonStripe? i'd contribute to that :P
1103: [09:38:21] <Py^_^k> lol irogue
1104: [09:38:23] <zippy> as long as not hhvm only :P
1105: [09:38:23] <simon_w> irogue, https://git.simon.geek.nz/simon_w/silverstripe-framework/? :p
1106: [09:38:25] <irogue> I don't contribute to SS for fear of Hamish
1107: [09:38:29] <ss23> ^
1108: [09:38:30] <ss23> valid fear...
1109: [09:38:37] <Py^_^k> wait what?
1110: [09:38:38] <irogue> "that's not the way I would have done it"
1111: [09:38:42] <simon_w> I stopped contributing becuse of Hamish and Damian
1112: [09:38:43] <Py^_^k> so...
1113: [09:38:51] <Py^_^k> even the folks who work with Hamish are... wow
1114: [09:38:59] <ss23> When contributing to the project turns into 2 weeks of back and forth of hell with Damian... it's like
1115: [09:39:02] <BetterBert> @ss23 I am looking to do the split as the native SS list rendering orders horizontally i.e. item 1 at the top of column 1 and item 2 at the top of column 2. What I want is item 1 & item 2 in the same column i.e. first half of all datalist items in the first column and the second half in a second column...
1116: [09:39:02] <ss23> Fuck that
1117: [09:39:05] <ss23> I don't want to spend my personal time hating life :(
1118: [09:39:16] <kinglozzer> BetterBert: https://github.com/kinglozzer/silverstripe-columnedlist
1119: [09:39:19] <irogue> Py^_^k: I don't really work with hamish - different team
1120: [09:39:37] <ss23> Py^_^k: me either
1121: [09:39:41] <Py^_^k> BetterBert: <% if Even %> <% if Odd %>
1122: [09:39:46] <Py^_^k> just loop the list twice.
1123: [09:39:59] <Py^_^k> irogue: yeah but I mean, you're in the same building and all.
1124: [09:39:59] <simon_w> ss23, is Damian all condescending to you too?
1125: [09:40:00] <zippy> spronk2: I've had to put a function called dd() in my _ss_environment file... keep calling it..
1126: [09:40:17] <ss23> simon_w: I don't interpret it as condescending
1127: [09:40:30] <Py^_^k> ss23: but it does come across that way a bit.
1128: [09:40:30] <ss23> simon_w: I mean, from my perspective, he's got the exact same attitude as you, but he's more of a perfectionist
1129: [09:40:33] <Py^_^k> often :<
1130: [09:40:36] <BetterBert> @Py^_^k The Even & Odd still leaves me with the columns in the wrong order and a manky markup structure
1131: [09:41:03] <Py^_^k> BetterBert: it gives you the same markup structure.
1132: [09:41:12] <Py^_^k> becuase you're the one in control of the markup.
1133: [09:41:27] <Py^_^k> but as I've already said, get the list.
1134: [09:41:32] <Py^_^k> then ->count() to see how many
1135: [09:41:36] <BetterBert> @kinglozzer that looks like it will do the job nicely, thanks for that :)
1136: [09:41:36] <simon_w> "The important thing is that the community IS involved, and you are. I'm sorry you don't feel like you are being heard, because the fact is we are listening to your feedback and and trying to find an ideal solution." Blah blah blah, we know better
1137: [09:41:37] <spronk2> zippy: yes
1138: [09:41:39] <Py^_^k> then ->limit to split it.
1139: [09:41:40] <spronk2> i have yosemited
1140: [09:42:16] <BetterBert> @Py^_^k ->count -> work fine for the first half of the list. How do you get the second half of the list?
1141: [09:42:51] <irogue> simon_w: I'll just pick up SS bugs from the ss github issues, fix them and do a PR to your fork :P
1142: [09:43:04] <simon_w> irogue, that works :p
1143: [09:43:12] <Py^_^k> BetterBert: well it depends. You either supply a param to give the first or second half, or you divide it up and package it up in one go like it looks like kinglozzer has already.
1144: [09:43:18] <simon_w> I should probably grab some of the more recent commits at some point too
1145: [09:43:53] <Py^_^k> schism!!
1146: [09:44:01] <Py^_^k> schismstripe?
1147: [09:44:05] * irogue schisms all over Py^_^k
1148: [09:44:33] <BetterBert> @Py^_^k aye, I'll give that module a shot and see if that gives me what I'm looking for. Thanks :)
1149: [09:44:39] <simon_w> So, people that have been following the namespaces thread. In reply to the thing about not being able to disclose everything: "Do you want community involvement or not? If you do, stop treating your clients as more important. Stop this BS about being open while deciding about everything behind closed doors."
1150: [09:44:42] <simon_w> Too harsh?
1151: [09:45:09] <Py^_^k> a little
1152: [09:45:26] <Py^_^k> but it is to the point. I'd probably still say the same thing, just word it a bit softer.
1153: [09:45:37] <irogue> I don't really get what damo was saying there
1154: [09:45:38] <Py^_^k> and/or elaborate on bits to make it more specific
1155: [09:45:45] <simon_w> Yeah, that's what I'm struggling with :p
1156: [09:46:11] <Py^_^k> eg I don't see it as 'clients are more important' but I do see the 'deciding behind closed doors' part.
1157: [09:46:13] <irogue> can't think of anything to do with the OSS project that'd be confidential
1158: [09:46:24] <Py^_^k> it's Alienating the community and will result in a split.
1159: [09:46:27] <Py^_^k> fracture
1160: [09:46:29] <simon_w> Py^_^k, it's behind closed doors because clients want it
1161: [09:46:33] <Py^_^k> fracturing the community
1162: [09:46:45] <simon_w> Or because Hamish doesn't want people to complain
1163: [09:46:56] <Py^_^k> simon_w: yeah but I don't see why something like 'namespace support' is something that needs to be behind closed doors, regardless if a client wants it or not.
1164: [09:47:04] <simon_w> I know
1165: [09:47:04] <Py^_^k> you don't have to give out client details, etc.
1166: [09:47:09] <simon_w> I don't get that either
1167: [09:47:13] <Py^_^k> or even mention that it is for a client project.
1168: [09:47:30] <irogue> mentioning it's been requested by a client should be fine
1169: [09:47:34] <irogue> as long as you don't say who
1170: [09:47:39] <Py^_^k> but what I'm saying is that I probably woudln't jump to that conclusion directly with little supporting evidence (unless you know smoething we don't)
1171: [09:47:56] <Py^_^k> irogue: I don't even see how if a client requested it is even relevant
1172: [09:48:16] <Py^_^k> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhjG47gtMCo
1173: [09:48:24] <irogue> Py^_^k: sometimes it helps to explain why something was developed before it was ever discussed
1174: [09:48:40] <irogue> as in, it had to be done for a client anyway, has been done in a fork for them, and is now being PRed back into the main project
1175: [09:48:43] <irogue> that's totally fine IMO
1176: [09:48:48] <Py^_^k> irogue: meh? It depends on how it was developed tbh,. and what it was more importantly I guess.
1177: [09:48:51] <irogue> what's not fine is then assuming that PR will just be merged without discussion
1178: [09:49:00] <Py^_^k> for core code, then yeah, I could see timelyness being an issue.
1179: [09:49:10] <irogue> or merging it yourself (or getting the guy next to you to merge it) without letting the discussion happen
1180: [09:49:13] <Py^_^k> but if it can be done with a module... then just do it and release it later.
1181: [09:49:21] <Py^_^k> or announce that you're doing it, then JFDI
1182: [09:49:32] <simon_w> irogue, Hamish is good at that. He gave one of the SS Akld managers commit access just for that.
1183: [09:49:49] <irogue> simon_w: a previous person I'm guessing
1184: [09:50:23] <irogue> afaik only hamish and damo have core commit in akl
1185: [09:50:43] <spronk2> hm
1186: [09:50:48] <simon_w> irogue, yeah. And then, once it had been merged, this person no longer had commit access
1187: [09:50:56] <irogue> lolololol
1188: [09:51:38] <spronk2> :|
1189: [09:51:41] <ss23> lol, sam got mad today
1190: [09:51:43] <ss23> well not mad
1191: [09:51:50] <ss23> but he was dealing with damian on one of his PRs
1192: [09:52:01] <ss23> eventually he was like "Is this all I need to do to get it merged?" "yes" (from damain)
1193: [09:52:08] <ss23> then he does it all, and damian comes back wtih more stuff
1194: [09:52:17] <ss23> eventually sam is like "Look once the tests pass I'm going to merge"
1195: [09:52:25] <ss23> I called him out, "Oh yeah that's not allowed sam, we get in trouble for it."
1196: [09:52:29] <ss23> "FIEN YOU MERGE IT THEN"
1197: [09:52:29] <ss23> was lulz
1198: [09:52:39] <spronk2> heh
1199: [09:52:49] <ss23> He doesn't know what it's like to get shit merged these days...
1200: [09:52:52] <spronk2> ^^ namespaces thing was a clusterfuck
1201: [09:53:05] <Py^_^k> ss23: hahahah, lol
1202: [09:53:08] <Py^_^k> did you merge it?
1203: [09:53:15] <ss23> Yeah
1204: [09:53:22] <Py^_^k> legit :D
1205: [09:53:22] <ss23> The code was fine, and it had been reviewed like 20 times
1206: [09:53:29] <Py^_^k> wd
1207: [09:53:35] <Py^_^k> tests pass: JOB DONE
1208: [09:53:38] <ss23> lol
1209: [09:53:41] <ss23> GREEN = MERGE
1210: [09:53:49] <Py^_^k> mm, that's why it's GREE FOR GO
1211: [09:53:53] <Py^_^k> +N
1212: [09:54:01] <irogue> someone who's fairly neutral to this (i.e. not simon_w or ss23) should suggest on ss-dev that for the sake of the opensource project not being seen to be run entirely by the company, a policy should be made regarding things being merged - PRs by SS Ltd people have to be merged by non-SS Ltd core, and vice versa
1213: [09:54:13] <Py^_^k> I can do that.
1214: [09:54:17] <irogue> or maybe not vice versa, but at least the former
1215: [09:54:41] <Py^_^k> or: Just bring Ingo back :<
1216: [09:54:46] <kinglozzer> irogue: But how many non-SS core devs are there?
1217: [09:54:48] <Py^_^k> He was fair and logical
1218: [09:54:50] <irogue> it seems like a fairly logical method to me
1219: [09:54:55] <Py^_^k> kinglozzer: Zero.
1220: [09:54:59] <kinglozzer> <3 ingo
1221: [09:55:00] <Py^_^k> well... willr.
1222: [09:55:04] <Py^_^k> so One.
1223: [09:55:07] <Py^_^k> Ex employee.
1224: [09:55:08] <willr> Well well.
1225: [09:55:16] <irogue> Py^_^k: yeah. unfortunately he's also basically the most senior dev guy at SS and is yoinked from team to team
1226: [09:55:18] * ocm has joined #silverstripe
1227: [09:55:25] <willr> kinglozzer 1 at now without simon_w
1228: [09:55:28] <Py^_^k> irogue: Yeh I know :/
1229: [09:55:49] <Py^_^k> simon_w: was the only core dev never employed by SS ltd.
1230: [09:55:51] <willr> but we’re got 3 more non ss ltd staff on the cards to join.
1231: [09:55:56] <kinglozzer> willr: I find that... worrying for a truly "open source" project
1232: [09:55:59] <kinglozzer> Ah, good
1233: [09:56:02] <Py^_^k> willr: like... who?
1234: [09:56:09] <simon_w> willr, that was quick :p
1235: [09:56:13] <zippy> me!!!
1236: [09:56:16] <Py^_^k> o.0
1237: [09:56:27] <zippy> merge in simon_w's speed changes
1238: [09:56:29] <willr> Ah, you shall see. Not sure I’m allowed to talk.
1239: [09:56:31] <Py^_^k> NO U JUST WANT LARAVEILv2
1240: [09:56:31] <Py^_^k> !!
1241: [09:56:34] <irogue> in the meantime maybe we can count recent ss ltd staff who aren't platformers :P
1242: [09:56:47] <kinglozzer> lol Py^_^k, zippy make it codeigniter v3
1243: [09:56:48] <ss23> 22:56:28 < zippy> merge in simon_w's speed changes
1244: [09:56:50] <ss23> SECONDED
1245: [09:56:53] <willr> SS Ltd suck at open source anyway, we wouldn’t want any more on the core team
1246: [09:57:02] <Py^_^k> kinglozzer: well laraveil is civ2
1247: [09:57:04] <irogue> by which i just mean micmania1, cos he doesn't take hamish's shit
1248: [09:57:04] <ss23> willr: Micmania would be good
1249: [09:57:08] <Py^_^k> so yeh, whatever.
1250: [09:57:08] <irogue> lawl
1251: [09:57:12] <zippy> Py^_^k: https://github.com/TheMonkeys/laravel-silverstripe :D
1252: [09:57:17] <irogue> great minds etc ss23
1253: [09:57:20] <ss23> :P
1254: [09:57:20] <simon_w> willr, also, was rather nice of whoever suggest Damian to not mention he was about to start working for them
1255: [09:57:28] * BetterBert quit (Quit: (null))
1256: [09:57:32] <Py^_^k> yeh, micmania1's code is good too.
1257: [09:57:37] <Py^_^k> Would be logical.
1258: [09:57:41] <Py^_^k> and kinglozzer
1259: [09:57:50] <willr> simon_w, if I had my way he would have been at DNA before SS :P
1260: [09:57:56] <willr> damnit
1261: [09:58:04] * caamic30 quit (Quit: caamic30)
1262: [09:58:15] <irogue> the other potential candidates I can think of would be dhensby and Zauberfisch
1263: [09:58:18] <willr> Well kinglozzer has got my vote
1264: [09:58:28] <kinglozzer> <3
1265: [09:58:41] <willr> but we shall see how things pan out. People will be tapped and asked.
1266: [09:58:53] <Py^_^k> zippy: I know, I've seen it.
1267: [09:59:03] <zippy> Py^_^k: you use it, don't you
1268: [09:59:21] <irogue> and never ever me. quote me on that. i'm shit at opensource.
1269: [09:59:27] <irogue> (I know that line will come back to haunt me)
1270: [09:59:29] * ocmnt quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)
1271: [09:59:37] <ss23> one day, irogue is in charge of something amazing
1272: [09:59:39] <Py^_^k> irogue: dhensby is still around? I thought he was like zippy now, way down the laraveil rabbithole
1273: [09:59:43] <ss23> becomes discrededited because of that comment
1274: [10:00:05] * Colin[pi] goes to make t-shirt with that quote
1275: [10:00:09] <irogue> Py^_^k: idk, I think sam hung out with them while he was in UK?
1276: [10:00:16] <Py^_^k> zippy: nope, fuck that noise. I've enough trouble wrangling crud igniter
1277: [10:00:26] <willr> I hung out with them when I was in the UK too. Good guys
1278: [10:00:37] <Py^_^k> irogue: yeah I mean he's still around, the better brief chaps pop in from time to time... but mostly I think they use lvel now
1279: [10:00:42] <Py^_^k> l-vel
1280: [10:00:50] <irogue> oh, and they're running the London SS Meetups
1281: [10:00:53] <Py^_^k> yeh
1282: [10:00:57] <Py^_^k> they still use SS though.
1283: [10:01:02] * simon_w posted his reply
1284: [10:01:04] <irogue> can't be too laravelly yet :P
1285: [10:01:38] <irogue> willr: coming on friday?
1286: [10:01:47] <willr> Hells yeah.
1287: [10:01:48] <zippy> Py^_^k: You have so much time to post on irc because your waiting for your dev/build and flush to run all the time
1288: [10:02:01] <irogue> willr: sweeet. be good to catch up again
1289: [10:02:25] <Py^_^k> irogue: mmm. But again, well, so far as I see, not all that involved in 'community'.
1290: [10:02:52] <Py^_^k> so much as I see it. I mean, London sure, but there's more to the wolrd than just the capital city of *countryxyz* ( you fuck'n jafas)
1291: [10:02:58] <Py^_^k> :P
1292: [10:03:17] <Py^_^k> http://logs.simon.geek.nz/index.php?date=2014-05-13#log_1282074
1293: [10:03:37] <irogue> Py^_^k: eh, I think when you have 1/3rd of the population it's easy to forget about the rest of the country :P
1294: [10:03:40] <ocm> much activity here :o
1295: [10:03:44] <ocm> what is happening?
1296: [10:03:52] * irogue wonders what percentage of england London is
1297: [10:03:56] <simon_w> Air conditioning, Hamish-related rants
1298: [10:04:01] <kinglozzer> ocm: You missed an exciting discussion about air conditioning
1299: [10:04:04] * ocm is now known as ocmnt
1300: [10:04:15] <ss23> mitsubishi electric~
1301: [10:04:17] <ocmnt> air conditioning?
1302: [10:04:26] <ocmnt> an airconditioned nightmare!
1303: [10:04:42] <ocmnt> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uK8O5UgX8Z8
1304: [10:04:42] <ocmnt> :D
1305: [10:04:49] <kinglozzer> irogue: England ~53 mil, London ~13 mil
1306: [10:04:57] <Py^_^k> irogue: nah, it's a capital city thing, in almost every country it seems.
1307: [10:05:00] <irogue> yeah, just found that myself
1308: [10:05:00] <spronk2> do you and irogue work for mitsubishi or something, ss23 o_O
1309: [10:05:04] <irogue> so about 28%
1310: [10:05:09] <kinglozzer> I was down there at the weekend, it's always much bigger than I remember
1311: [10:05:14] <ss23> holy shit the American accent of "mitsubishi" is fucked up
1312: [10:05:15] <irogue> Py^_^k: auckland isnt capital :P
1313: [10:05:23] <Py^_^k> simon_w: hahaha air con
1314: [10:05:29] <spronk2> meat zu bea shi?
1315: [10:05:32] <Py^_^k> starring cage nicholas
1316: [10:05:49] <irogue> Py^_^k: also Washington DC, Canberra, etc. many countries have small capitals :P
1317: [10:06:03] <ss23> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5a0v_l_chA
1318: [10:06:04] <ss23> check it
1319: [10:06:06] <ss23> irogue: check it
1320: [10:06:23] <Py^_^k> irogue: yes, small capitals with HUUUUUUGE egos
1321: [10:06:27] <Py^_^k> generally
1322: [10:06:37] <Py^_^k> it's a society thing.
1323: [10:06:40] <spronk2> man that is an uuugly heat pumo
1324: [10:06:41] <Py^_^k> class bases, and all that shit.
1325: [10:06:41] <spronk2> p
1326: [10:06:46] <ss23> spronk2: suits you then
1327: [10:06:48] <ss23> you should get one
1328: [10:06:48] <Py^_^k> top of the heirarchy
1329: [10:06:50] <ss23> OHHHHHHHHHHH
1330: [10:06:52] <ss23> #rekt
1331: [10:06:56] <spronk2> hmm
1332: [10:06:59] <Py^_^k> lulz rekt
1333: [10:07:00] <spronk2> i need that root password
1334: [10:07:05] <spronk2> what was it, ss23?
1335: [10:07:08] <Py^_^k> ss23isrekt
1336: [10:07:17] <spronk2> ohh thats right
1337: [10:07:18] <spronk2> ss23sucks
1338: [10:07:23] <spronk2> good good
1339: [10:07:28] <Colin[pi]> REKT YOLO SWAG
1340: [10:07:37] <spronk2> HASHTAG
1341: [10:08:15] <irogue> I need to buy a house asap, before the new woodfire rules come into effect in auckland
1342: [10:08:20] <irogue> <3 woodburners
1343: [10:08:22] <spronk2> o_O
1344: [10:08:37] <spronk2> but you’re a shill for mitsubishi heat pumps
1345: [10:08:41] <irogue> lol
1346: [10:08:45] <spronk2> alternatively
1347: [10:08:48] <spronk2> just set fire to your lounge furniture
1348: [10:08:52] <irogue> heatpumps are awesome, but nowhere near as *fun* as wood fires
1349: [10:08:56] <Py^_^k> fffuuuu bootstrap why no spaces between rows?
1350: [10:09:09] <Py^_^k> gutter between cells, but not rows.
1351: [10:09:11] <Py^_^k> idgi
1352: [10:09:14] <irogue> honestly my fav part of the day at my previous flat in milford was getting home from work and making the fire
1353: [10:09:29] <spronk2> haha
1354: [10:09:30] <irogue> (flatmate usually got home before me and made a fire, but he sucked at fire so it was usually out an hour later when I got home)
1355: [10:09:40] <spronk2> simon_w actually posted it, good job
1356: [10:09:57] <spronk2> you are a strange individual, irogue
1357: [10:10:03] <Py^_^k> links spronk2
1358: [10:10:13] <spronk2> https://github.com/silverstripe/silverstripe-framework/issues/3548
1359: [10:10:14] <irogue> spronk2: making a successful fire is such a fulfilling feeling!
1360: [10:10:16] * Py^_^k needs to catch up on his politics
1361: [10:10:19] <spronk2> hmm
1362: [10:10:24] <spronk2> i dno
1363: [10:10:37] <spronk2> doesn’t really do it for me
1364: [10:10:42] <Py^_^k> contratuations irogue, you have graduated surviavlist. You are now classified human.
1365: [10:10:57] <Py^_^k> spronk2: what, politics, or fires?
1366: [10:11:12] <spronk2> bot
1367: [10:11:13] <spronk2> h
1368: [10:11:13] <spronk2> :D
1369: [10:11:19] <irogue> what about combined?
1370: [10:11:22] <irogue> setting politicans on fire
1371: [10:11:26] <spronk2> oohh
1372: [10:11:26] <irogue> or burning down the Beehive
1373: [10:11:28] <spronk2> NOW we’re talking
1374: [10:11:35] <spronk2> this is something i could get behind
1375: [10:13:30] <irogue> I replied, cos YOLO
1376: [10:13:48] <Py^_^k> well you know spronk2, 5th November is just a few weeks away!
1377: [10:13:56] * simon_w high-fives irogue
1378: [10:13:57] <kinglozzer> irogue: I was about to post the exact same thing
1379: [10:14:03] <spronk2> yeah
1380: [10:14:03] <spronk2> good call
1381: [10:14:05] <kinglozzer> "meetings with stakeholders" boom
1382: [10:14:07] <simon_w> kinglozzer, do it!
1383: [10:15:23] * irogue anticipates damo being a lot less friendly toward me than usual at work tomorrow
1384: [10:15:27] <simon_w> Also, you should wait until ss-log_ is somehow not in here before planning to burn down the beehive :p
1385: [10:15:31] * spronk2 luls
1386: [10:15:34] * Shrike_Finland quit (Quit: Leaving.)
1387: [10:15:43] <Py^_^k> ha, sounds like a call for a meeting irogue
1388: [10:15:44] <Py^_^k> :P
1389: [10:15:53] <Py^_^k> communication is the key!
1390: [10:16:03] <Py^_^k> HR; 'he called me a liar on the internet'
1391: [10:16:06] <Py^_^k> xD
1392: [10:16:09] <spronk2> http://spotfire.tibco.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/dilbert-and-data-visualization.jpg
1393: [10:16:09] <irogue> lol
1394: [10:16:27] <ss23> spronk2: ++
1395: [10:16:36] <ss23> Was discussing something IRL today and someone was like "go to a meeting room"
1396: [10:16:40] <ss23> like, fuck that, my time is actually worth something :/
1397: [10:16:41] <Py^_^k> spronk2: every meeting in the uk ever
1398: [10:16:47] <spronk2> heeh
1399: [10:16:51] <Py^_^k> I'm supposed to be in one now!
1400: [10:16:55] <Py^_^k> wiht my new manager
1401: [10:17:03] <irogue> ss23: wat
1402: [10:17:07] <spronk2> meeting = basically wipes out half my day
1403: [10:17:18] <irogue> ss23: we have the opposite in akl
1404: [10:17:28] <irogue> "could you not just discuss this at your desk?"
1405: [10:17:40] <irogue> prob cos we only have one meeting room and everyone's always fighting over it
1406: [10:18:05] <Py^_^k> irogue: is there not a google calendar about it or something?
1407: [10:18:11] <Py^_^k> 'bookings'
1408: [10:18:32] <irogue> there is, but people suck at it
1409: [10:18:38] <Py^_^k> yep!
1410: [10:18:38] <ss23> lol
1411: [10:18:50] <Py^_^k> accuntmanagers gunna accountmanager
1412: [10:18:56] <Colin[pi]> lol
1413: [10:19:03] <irogue> mostly davidj, my project manager, who keeps inviting us to meetings and not booking the meeting room
1414: [10:19:13] <irogue> and then getting an angry hamish going WE HAVE THIS ROOM BOOKED
1415: [10:19:17] <Py^_^k> we had this at my old work.
1416: [10:19:37] <Py^_^k> 2 meeting rooms and 2 offices that could have meeings in them
1417: [10:19:45] <Py^_^k> and still people would have to go for coffee over the road
1418: [10:19:50] <Py^_^k> on occasion
1419: [10:20:13] * zippy quit (Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…)
1420: [10:20:18] <irogue> we have a tiny second meeting room, but it's not really any good for more than 3 people
1421: [10:20:53] <Py^_^k> yeah we had the same. 4 at max
1422: [10:20:55] <irogue> mostly just used when someone's having a long phone call, so they're not disturbing the whole room
1423: [10:20:57] <simon_w> So Hamish, Hamish's ego and Hamish's alterego!
1424: [10:21:02] <Py^_^k> no window either, haha
1425: [10:21:53] <Py^_^k> irogue: how do I make buttstrupp grid rows gutter on base?
1426: [10:22:09] <irogue> Py^_^k: I too can say words
1427: [10:22:12] <Py^_^k> docs is shit and dun tell me?
1428: [10:22:15] <Colin[pi]> lol, buttstrap
1429: [10:22:24] <irogue> "grid rows gutter on base" means fuckall to me
1430: [10:22:37] <irogue> am assuming this is frontend lingo
1431: [10:22:48] <spronk2> nah
1432: [10:22:50] <spronk2> pyro’s talking shit again
1433: [10:22:52] <spronk2> :P
1434: [10:23:32] <Py^_^k> irogue: you're a buttstrupp fan
1435: [10:23:34] <Py^_^k> I thought
1436: [10:23:48] <Py^_^k> spronk2: mm, they're all 30px gutter by default
1437: [10:23:53] <Py^_^k> PS NO GUTTER ON ROWS
1438: [10:23:57] <Py^_^k> -.-
1439: [10:24:21] <Py^_^k> http://getbootstrap.com/css/#grid-example-basic
1440: [10:24:24] <irogue> Py^_^k: i use bootstrap cos I can't frontend
1441: [10:24:27] <irogue> what is gutter
1442: [10:24:27] * willr quit (Quit: willr)
1443: [10:24:44] <Py^_^k> spaces between grid cells is applied NOT by the markup below the example.
1444: [10:24:52] <Py^_^k> ie, use the exmaple, do not get the result shown above.
1445: [10:25:33] <spronk2> what are you on about pyro
1446: [10:25:44] <irogue> Py^_^k: are you just wanting to change the gutter width (whatever gutter is)
1447: [10:25:51] <irogue> I ate icecream from a gutter once...
1448: [10:26:11] <spronk2> :|
1449: [10:26:48] <irogue> like this http://media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/53/00/72/530072c21f20ce37c36ddcca6443b8bc.jpg
1450: [10:27:19] <irogue> pretty unhygenic when I think about it as an adult, but as a kid you don't give a fuc
1451: [10:27:47] <simon_w> Oh man, we had one of those at youth group
1452: [10:27:52] <simon_w> Then we made the kids clean up :D
1453: [10:27:58] <irogue> simon_w: yeah, is also where I had it
1454: [10:28:14] <irogue> except I was one of the kids :P
1455: [10:28:41] <simon_w> When I was one of the kids, the only thing like that we got up to was fire soccer :p
1456: [10:29:25] <irogue> ah yes, fire soccer
1457: [10:29:29] <irogue> that was fun
1458: [10:29:39] <simon_w> Good way to trim the leg hairs
1459: [10:29:47] <irogue> except when someone fucked up and used petrol instead of diesel
1460: [10:29:56] <irogue> that was a bit less fun
1461: [10:29:56] <simon_w> We used keresone
1462: [10:30:09] <irogue> yeah, kerosene and diesel both fine as slow-burning
1463: [10:30:26] <kerosene> :|
1464: [10:30:26] <irogue> petrol... very fast burning ::
1465: [10:30:34] <irogue> bahaha
1466: [10:30:34] <spronk2> boom
1467: [10:30:42] <spronk2> :D
1468: [10:30:59] <irogue> kerosene: bet you thought you were safe from accidental highlights with a name like that in a silverstripe IRC channel...
1469: [10:31:06] <simon_w> SHUCKA LUCKA
1470: [10:31:07] <irogue> but NOPE
1471: [10:31:11] <kerosene> ;)
1472: [10:31:40] <kerosene> at least simon_w cares about me
1473: [10:32:13] * simon_w puts the matches away
1474: [10:32:18] <simon_w> Yes, let's go with that ;)
1475: [10:32:59] <Py^_^k> irogue: simon_w fire soccer?
1476: [10:33:01] <Py^_^k> o.0
1477: [10:33:19] <simon_w> Py^_^k, mesh ball, stuffed with hay, soaked in accelerant, lit
1478: [10:33:20] <irogue> Py^_^k: cover soccer ball in rags, douse in diesel/kerosene, light on fire, play soccer in the dark
1479: [10:33:39] <Py^_^k> Also, realised I should have been in a meeting when it was 3 mins before it was due to finish... get an email from the manager telling me off for not coming.
1480: [10:33:44] <Py^_^k> I'm all YOU CAN SEE ME FROM YOUR DESK
1481: [10:33:47] <Py^_^k> fuck
1482: [10:33:54] <irogue> Py^_^k: Y U NO COME REMIND ME
1483: [10:34:06] <Py^_^k> irogue: exactly.
1484: [10:34:15] <irogue> that would never fly at ss akl
1485: [10:34:16] <Py^_^k> said he tried to find my extension number, but it was disconnected.
1486: [10:34:20] <irogue> we're all headphones on, in the zone
1487: [10:34:22] <Py^_^k> but... like I'm RIGHT HERE
1488: [10:34:35] <irogue> PM always has to tap us on the shoulder and point at meeting room
1489: [10:34:39] <irogue> or tag us on flowdock
1490: [10:35:06] <Py^_^k> we shook hands on Friday after he rescheduled it to today (was supposed to be Friday). He knows who I am. He's been here 2 and a half weeks now, and that's the entirety of my interactions with him.
1491: [10:35:17] <Py^_^k> A hand shake before he went home on Friday
1492: [10:35:42] <Py^_^k> irogue: I don't actually have a phone on my desk.
1493: [10:35:56] <Py^_^k> for some reason I just don't have one. Not enough ports in the floor or something.
1494: [10:36:05] <Py^_^k> I work on wireless, everyone else on cables
1495: [10:36:28] <irogue> lol
1496: [10:36:32] <Py^_^k> doesn't bother me, and stakeholders can't ring me and whinge about their issues instead of logging tickets like they know they're supposed to
1497: [10:36:36] <irogue> we just don't have phones
1498: [10:36:55] <Py^_^k> Some of the lads get mad, but I know it's secretly just because they're jealous
1499: [10:36:56] <irogue> phones are for management people and support peons like ss23
1500: [10:37:03] <Py^_^k> like the fact that I wear jeans every day.
1501: [10:37:21] <ss23> irogue: qq
1502: [10:37:25] <Py^_^k> lulz
1503: [10:37:31] <Py^_^k> ss23: you still on call?
1504: [10:37:35] <ss23> naw
1505: [10:37:37] <ss23> only week at a time
1506: [10:37:38] <irogue> hell, ss akl doesn't even have a phone number
1507: [10:37:41] <Py^_^k> shit, missed my chance
1508: [10:38:04] <ss23> irogue: uh, yeah it does
1509: [10:38:05] <ss23> :P
1510: [10:38:15] <Py^_^k> not publicly I'm guessing.
1511: [10:38:25] <irogue> ss23: not really. it has a number listed on the site, but it's a wellington number, and rings in wellington :P
1512: [10:39:46] <irogue> can't remember if it was cj or nicole, but one of them told me that on their first day they tried to ring SS Akl, and the phone on the desk next to them started ringing
1513: [10:40:51] <Py^_^k> ah fuck, I didn't .container
1514: [10:40:57] <Py^_^k> THAT TOOK WAY TO LONG TO FIGURE OUT
1515: [10:41:13] <Py^_^k> and a couple of trips to stackoverflow
1516: [10:41:44] * simon_w beds
1517: [10:42:46] <ss23> nn
1518: [10:44:29] <spronk2> herp derp
1519: [10:46:20] <irogue> derp herp
1520: [10:46:42] <Py^_^k> nup, still doesn't work, fuckers.
1521: [10:46:48] <Py^_^k> buttstrupp, wtf
1522: [10:47:10] <Py^_^k> http://grooveshark.com/#!/album/Cross+The+Line/6940864
1523: [10:47:20] <Py^_^k> soothe me :<
1524: [10:47:58] <irogue> ughghghghghgh
1525: [10:48:12] <irogue> that was an easy decision to unfriend someone on fb
1526: [10:48:34] <ss23> what did they do?
1527: [10:49:42] <irogue> two posts in a row, one "fluoride is a form of mind control", the next "ebola is caused by vaccinations"
1528: [10:49:58] <spronk2> lol
1529: [10:51:00] <ss23> lol irogue
1530: [10:51:03] <ss23> That sounds more like a troll
1531: [10:51:12] <ss23> flatmate here... oh god
1532: [10:51:14] <irogue> nah, this guy is a bit of a weirdo
1533: [10:51:18] <ss23> he's tettering on the edge of shit like that
1534: [10:51:25] <ss23> brought a salt rock cause friends told him it was good
1535: [10:51:31] <ss23> has weird ideas about food and shit
1536: [10:51:34] <ss23> BUT THE OTHER DAY
1537: [10:51:40] <irogue> ss23: remember peter? imagine him but on even more drugs
1538: [10:51:43] <ss23> haha
1539: [10:51:45] <ss23> "man the universe is just a circle and it keeps repeating forever"
1540: [10:51:49] <ss23> "why the fuck would you think that?"
1541: [10:51:55] <ss23> "I mean think about it, there's so many circles in nature"
1542: [10:51:57] <ss23> "how the fuck..."
1543: [10:52:03] <ss23> "and pi, I mean, it's perfect... AND IT'S INFINITE"
1544: [10:52:08] <ss23> like, jesus man, stop smoing so much pot
1545: [10:52:13] <irogue> yeeep
1546: [10:52:50] <madmatt> yeah sounds more like drugs to me
1547: [10:53:31] <ss23> I don't think he was high at the time...
1548: [10:53:45] <ss23> His parents are conspiracy nuts though, so hard for him to have a strong groudning in critical thinkin I guess
1549: [10:53:55] <ss23> Kind of shit, how much your parents dictate whether you're capable of rational thought or not
1550: [10:54:16] <irogue> yeah
1551: [10:54:28] <ss23> (IRemember dain?)
1552: [10:54:33] <irogue> yep
1553: [10:54:34] <ss23> lol
1554: [10:54:35] <Py^_^k> ss23: you must remember Tracey, Critical Reasoning 10..1?
1555: [10:54:36] <ss23> idk
1556: [10:54:41] <ss23> Py^_^k: I fucking remember
1557: [10:54:42] <ss23> :(
1558: [10:54:45] <Py^_^k> xD
1559: [10:54:56] <Py^_^k> I did that, mate not doing comp sci did it too.
1560: [10:55:03] <irogue> at my highschool, those of us in the "1 band" had an extra class called Critical Thinking
1561: [10:55:15] <ss23> irogue: It weirds me out how people can be logical and sane and shit, then they get to a certain thing, homeopathy, whatever, and just go full retard
1562: [10:55:17] <irogue> basically attempting to teach you how to think for yourself
1563: [10:55:32] <ss23> "I AM SUDDENLY INCAPABLE OF UNDERSTAND BASIC LOGIC, DATA, AND WHAT THE PLACEBO EFFECT IS WHILE THIS IS THE TOPIC"
1564: [10:55:39] <irogue> the religious folk in the class always struggled with it and ended up ragequitting
1565: [10:55:42] <Py^_^k> so the other day on facebook (which he doesn't have, but his flatmate does) comes this: QOTD: "Just because they're lesbians, doesn't mean they don't like robots."
1566: [10:55:45] <ss23> lol irogue
1567: [10:55:49] <Py^_^k> and I'm all OH FUCK, O KNOW WHO SAID THAT
1568: [10:55:52] <irogue> even tho there was nothing remotely anti-religious about it
1569: [10:55:52] <madmatt> irogue: Is the "1 band" like the 1%
1570: [10:55:57] <madmatt> ARE YOU A 1%ER?
1571: [10:55:59] <Py^_^k> critical reasoning
1572: [10:55:59] <ss23> Py^_^k: Well... technically true? But I don't get it
1573: [10:56:05] <Py^_^k> ss23: yep, it is.
1574: [10:56:20] <Py^_^k> first thing that came to my head: that critical reasoning paper.
1575: [10:56:23] <irogue> madmatt: was a streamed school. what class you were in basically announced to everyone how smart you were
1576: [10:56:31] <ss23> Py^_^k: lol... why the fuck did you relate the two?
1577: [10:56:36] <Py^_^k> with the lecturer that prescribes her own book as required course reading.
1578: [10:56:37] <Py^_^k> xD
1579: [10:56:50] <irogue> 1 band was "accelerated", 2 band was regular, 3 band was "vege"
1580: [10:57:04] <ss23> lol
1581: [10:57:06] <ss23> #rekt
1582: [10:57:14] * irogue has joined #silverstripe
1583: [10:57:26] <madmatt> too cool for us huh
1584: [10:57:29] <madmatt> :D
1585: [10:57:33] <irogue> lol
1586: [10:57:34] <spronk2> lolol
1587: [10:57:53] <Py^_^k> ss23: because it's just like the examples that would get used in class.
1588: [10:58:01] <irogue> nah man, I was in 12 not 11 :P
1589: [10:58:21] <Sj0hn> Is an SQL Query case sensitive?
1590: [10:58:21] <ss23> Py^_^k: Dude, maybe things changed, but there is no way that'd be used as an exaomple for me o.o
1591: [10:58:24] <irogue> 1-band, but not the top of the 1-band :P
1592: [10:58:29] <ss23> Sj0hn: Sometimes
1593: [10:58:37] <Py^_^k> ss23: no I mean it wasn't, but it was _similar_ enough to _remind me_
1594: [10:58:39] <ss23> Sj0hn: The row is if it's defined as such, the keywords aren't
1595: [10:58:44] <ss23> e.g. SeLeCt is fine to use
1596: [10:59:01] <irogue> but please don't
1597: [10:59:04] <irogue> it hurts my head to look at
1598: [10:59:07] <ss23> do it
1599: [10:59:09] <ss23> DO IT :O
1600: [10:59:16] <ss23> I'll put in varibales numbers of spaces too
1601: [10:59:27] <ss23> seLECt * from table WHERE
1602: [10:59:39] <irogue> ss23: mix the quotation marks you use, too
1603: [10:59:42] <Sj0hn> ss23: so if i have this: Unknown column 'Product_Prijsklassen.PrijsklasseID' in 'on clause' the row "Product_Prijsklassen" is case sensitive?
1604: [11:00:07] <irogue> Sj0hn: yes, *if* mysql (or whatever db you're using) is configured to be case sensitive
1605: [11:00:10] <ss23> Sj0hn: Maybe, that depends on your operating system. You should always treat it as case sensitive, then it'll work regardless of whehre you are
1606: [11:00:25] <irogue> Sj0hn: generally on windows it's not case sensitive, on mac/linux it's case sensitive
1607: [11:00:45] <Sj0hn> Hmm, alright. Ill have to test
1608: [11:00:49] <Sj0hn> Thanks :)
1609: [11:01:06] <irogue> ah
1610: [11:01:16] <Py^_^k> everything ever is always case sensitive
1611: [11:01:16] <irogue> dat feeling when you accidentally push master to production instead of the release branch
1612: [11:01:26] <Py^_^k> lulz irogue xD
1613: [11:01:29] <Py^_^k> freelancing?
1614: [11:01:31] <Py^_^k> or working late?
1615: [11:01:36] <irogue> Py^_^k: snappernet
1616: [11:01:54] <irogue> i've told them to find someone else but they're dragging their feet...
1617: [11:02:34] <spronk2> this will go on and on
1618: [11:02:39] <irogue> so i'm intentionally delaying my response to them
1619: [11:02:46] <spronk2> set a firm date if you actually care :P
1620: [11:02:48] <Py^_^k> irogue: ha
1621: [11:02:50] <irogue> never answer a ticket in less than 7 days now
1622: [11:02:58] <Py^_^k> irogue: rough.
1623: [11:03:10] <irogue> Py^_^k: hey, I gave them 3 months warning to find a replacement
1624: [11:03:24] <irogue> and told them I'd be busy as fuck and would only be able to do shit in what little spare time I could find
1625: [11:03:29] <Py^_^k> did you like... just suggest they get ssakl to do it?
1626: [11:03:33] <irogue> yup
1627: [11:03:37] <madmatt> "Oh dear, it looks like I deployed a white page. I'll try and look at that next week for you"
1628: [11:03:43] <irogue> but SS Ltd prices :P
1629: [11:03:46] <madmatt> (not that I would advocate doing that of course)
1630: [11:03:47] <irogue> madmatt: haha
1631: [11:03:47] <Py^_^k> hmm
1632: [11:03:57] <Py^_^k> lol madmatt
1633: [11:04:25] <irogue> madmatt: to be fair, I was nice enough to immediately fix when they forgot to renew SSL cert (since it's something I'd always done when I worked there)
1634: [11:05:13] <madmatt> You're nice for a 1%er
1635: [11:05:21] <madmatt> You won't last long, they're too ruthless for you
1636: [11:05:23] <madmatt> :D
1637: [11:05:25] <irogue> lol
1638: [11:05:38] <irogue> if only I was a 1%er in money
1639: [11:07:09] * Otterpocket has joined #silverstripe
1640: [11:08:08] <spronk2> Heisenberg can fix that
1641: [11:08:20] <spronk2> >:D
1642: [11:08:28] <irogue> Py^_^k: I had real trouble finding people to suggest, too. SS Ltd keep hiring anyone decent at silverstripe.
1643: [11:08:46] <spronk2> how much work is it, irogue
1644: [11:09:23] <Py^_^k> yeh irogue, I'm already a core memeber :P
1645: [11:09:28] <Otterpocket> You can add a custom attribute to a FormAction (button) using setAttribute() right?
1646: [11:09:43] <spronk2> think so
1647: [11:10:10] <spronk2> its a FormField, so..
1648: [11:11:16] <Otterpocket> new FormAction('ajax_reset_encryption_key', 'Reset Key')->setAttribute('data-confirm', 'Reset TEST')
1649: [11:11:20] <Py^_^k> Otterpocket: yes
1650: [11:11:24] <Otterpocket> That doesnt seem to work
1651: [11:11:33] <spronk2> php version?
1652: [11:11:35] <Py^_^k> may not work on actions. Idk.
1653: [11:11:43] <Py^_^k> should though
1654: [11:11:59] <Otterpocket> spronk2: 5.4.20
1655: [11:12:04] <spronk2> hm
1656: [11:12:17] <spronk2> it should work
1657: [11:12:19] <spronk2> tried flushng?
1658: [11:12:52] <Otterpocket> yea, just get the old white screen. Ill check my logs and stuff
1659: [11:13:42] <irogue> spronk2, Py^_^k: they're pretty big on in-person meetings, so are adamant on it being an aucklander.
1660: [11:13:48] <spronk2> ah
1661: [11:14:04] <irogue> lots of work though, first step of work is converting it to ss3.1 (currently 2.4 with core hacks)
1662: [11:14:11] * spronk2 cannot suggest anybody, or himself, then
1663: [11:16:07] <irogue> full ecommerce system with stock management, returns management, tiered pricing, credit card processing... all from scratch (except CC which is using the *old* ss-payments module)
1664: [11:16:15] <Otterpocket> PHP Parse error: syntax error, unexpected '->' (T_OBJECT_OPERATOR)
1665: [11:16:38] <irogue> bajillions of CTFs to replace with gridfields and ORM calls to be rewritten :P
1666: [11:16:39] <spronk2> Otterpocket: hmm, maybe that was only introduced in 5.5
1667: [11:16:53] <spronk2> (new … ->)
1668: [11:17:08] <spronk2> split it out into $action = new FormAction(..); $action->setAttribute
1669: [11:17:10] <irogue> FormAction::create(blah)->setAttribute(blah)
1670: [11:17:20] <spronk2> or that
1671: [11:17:22] <irogue> you can chain with X::create but not new X
1672: [11:17:41] <Otterpocket> irogue: ahh yea, thanks ill try that
1673: [11:18:10] <irogue> why are people fireworksing =/
1674: [11:18:52] <ss23> that hindi holiday bro!
1675: [11:19:05] * Shrike_Finland has joined #silverstripe
1676: [11:19:06] <ss23> diwali!
1677: [11:19:09] <spronk2> oh
1678: [11:19:15] <spronk2> you need () to chain off new in php5.3
1679: [11:19:17] <spronk2> 5.4*
1680: [11:19:43] <ss23> irogue: like 4 more days of it yet :P
1681: [11:20:28] <irogue> ss23: ah yeah, could be
1682: [11:20:40] <irogue> lots of indians around here, though they're almost all Sikh not Hindi
1683: [11:20:56] <irogue> (there's a sikh temple here)
1684: [11:22:04] <ss23> Why, have they got ebola?
1685: [11:22:09] <ss23> If they're sikh tell them to go to a doctors to get better
1686: [11:22:11] <ss23> OHHHHHHHHHHH
1687: [11:22:12] <ss23> HEYOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
1688: [11:22:47] * irogue shakes head
1689: [11:22:51] <ss23> okay I'm going to bed
1690: [11:22:54] <irogue> oo, i'm working in platformers for a day this week
1691: [11:23:00] <irogue> what should I fuck up while I'm there?
1692: [11:23:02] <spronk2> well said kinglozzer
1693: [11:23:02] <ss23> irogue: what can you get done in a day? o.o
1694: [11:23:05] <Py^_^k> irogue: ah well, that's cool.
1695: [11:23:06] <ss23> Like, why, irogue?
1696: [11:23:17] <irogue> ss23: while in welly on friday
1697: [11:23:18] <ss23> Do the privacy stuff that's still waiting
1698: [11:23:19] <ss23> :P
1699: [11:23:20] <ss23> oic, irogue
1700: [11:23:28] <kinglozzer> Ty spronk2, it took me far too long to write that :P
1701: [11:23:37] <ss23> kinglozzer: I commend it too
1702: [11:23:44] <ss23> I just fear that the effort is misspent
1703: [11:23:44] <irogue> ss23: doing a "tail a wellington team" thing
1704: [11:23:45] <spronk2> writing. takes 3x longer than you think it should :(
1705: [11:24:09] <ss23> irogue: Aww, you don't wanna tail ops?
1706: [11:24:09] <ss23> :d
1707: [11:24:19] <ss23> inb4 it takes us a week to give you access to be able to do a single ticekt
1708: [11:24:21] <irogue> one of our team is joining Big O for the day, another is joining Science Ninjas, and another is hanging out with Paul
1709: [11:24:22] <ss23> :P
1710: [11:24:34] <ss23> ;_;
1711: [11:24:35] <ss23> no one to help ss23
1712: [11:24:36] <ss23> :(
1713: [11:24:49] <irogue> I got to assigned to Platformers, and I don't think Cj even knows I've been in platformers before (for a couple of weeks)
1714: [11:24:51] <Py^_^k> [12:23] <irogue> what should I fuck up while I'm there?
1715: [11:24:55] <Py^_^k> you mean like... wiht a bat?
1716: [11:25:01] <ss23> hahahahahah
1717: [11:25:06] <ss23> oh man
1718: [11:25:09] <ss23> you joker, Py^_^k
1719: [11:25:22] <ss23> well I'm rubbing my face
1720: [11:25:24] <ss23> must be time dfor bed
1721: [11:25:25] <ss23> nn guis
1722: [11:25:26] <irogue> I do already have the deploynaut dev environment set up on my laptop
1723: [11:25:27] <kinglozzer> ss23: I don't think it will be misspent, this discussion needed to happen and I do actually think they are listening
1724: [11:25:54] * spronk2 shrugs
1725: [11:25:59] <kinglozzer> Like, kicking off a semver discussion on google groups is what they should've done for namespacing :P
1726: [11:26:03] <kinglozzer> nn ss23
1727: [11:26:04] <madmatt> kinglozzer: +1 on your message, well reasoned!
1728: [11:26:08] <ss23> kinglozzer: I guess I'm just pessimistic about it because the concenrs have been brought up repeatedly internally too, and one gives the slightest fuck...
1729: [11:26:16] <irogue> nn ss23
1730: [11:26:16] <Py^_^k> oh, kinglozzer link
1731: [11:26:20] * ss23 sleeps
1732: [11:26:24] <madmatt> In terms of namespacing, I can't see it being driven by a client decision
1733: [11:26:27] <kinglozzer> Py^_^k: To issue?
1734: [11:26:30] <kinglozzer> Agreed madmatt
1735: [11:26:32] <spronk2> yeah
1736: [11:26:34] <irogue> madmatt: I know, that really confuses me
1737: [11:26:37] <spronk2> what the fuck client cares about that
1738: [11:26:40] <madmatt> What client would be like "I like Java and I want namespaces or I won't give me fatcash"
1739: [11:26:50] <madmatt> s/me/you/
1740: [11:26:51] <kinglozzer> Py^_^k: https://github.com/silverstripe/silverstripe-framework/issues/3548
1741: [11:27:34] <madmatt> Maybe he was speaking in the general sense, that's all I took from that - y'know 'we deal with clients, that often influences bugs we fix within core etc.' but not specifically about namespacing
1742: [11:28:15] <kinglozzer> Yeah I think that's it
1743: [11:28:53] <Py^_^k> mmm, wd kinglozzer
1744: [11:28:56] <madmatt> Honestly, I dunno, I don't want to second-guess anything, but I think tractorcow didn't mean to say 'clients want namespaces', that's just how it was interpreted
1745: [11:29:02] <madmatt> My 2c anyway
1746: [11:29:13] <madmatt> I am 100% for semver, it'd make my life a *whole* lot easier
1747: [11:29:25] <madmatt> and with that, I sleep too :)
1748: [11:29:32] <kinglozzer> madmatt: tbh I didn't even consider that he meant namespacing specifically until you guys mentioned it just now :P
1749: [11:29:37] <irogue> yeah, but even outside of the scope of namespaces, I can't see anything implemented at request of a client that we can't *say* was done at the request of a client
1750: [11:29:57] <irogue> not mention client, obviously, but say a client requested it and give rough details of why
1751: [11:30:08] <kinglozzer> irogue: Yeah, I think that's all that needs to happen
1752: [11:30:10] <madmatt> kinglozzer: Haha, I was more reacting to what simon_w mentioned, although I may have mis-interpreted what he said instead ;)
1753: [11:30:13] <Py^_^k> and the benefits to the project as a whole
1754: [11:30:16] <kinglozzer> Perhaps delay a bit longer too for feedback
1755: [11:30:17] <Py^_^k> because that's how logic works.
1756: [11:30:27] <irogue> rather than just "we made a decision, deal with it"
1757: [11:30:33] <irogue> which unfortunately seems to be the current trend
1758: [11:31:40] <madmatt> irogue: I agree with that, I think any significant changes need community involvement prior to building (e.g. namespaces, ORM rewrites etc.)
1759: [11:31:49] <irogue> yeah
1760: [11:31:55] <madmatt> The vast majority of things though are bug fixes, and they're what clients would care about
1761: [11:32:10] <irogue> yup. and tbh noone really cares if they're not discussed thoroughly
1762: [11:32:21] <madmatt> Clients don't care that you can do cool ORM tricks, or you call your thing \SilverStripe\irogue\app\FunkyNamesYo, they just care that their site works
1763: [11:32:38] <madmatt> So I don't think it'd take a lot to discuss the bigger-picture items
1764: [11:32:40] <irogue> saying "bug raised by client" is enough explanation of why there's a PR that doesn't line up with an Issue, and that's all there is to it
1765: [11:32:51] <spronk2> i think mooyman’s comments highlight a prevailing attitude more than anything
1766: [11:33:27] <spronk2> open source is an afterthought
1767: [11:33:34] <madmatt> At a high level, these things are always thought of and discussed with others first - but next involvement should be with the community, not just others in the corp - otherwise we lack outside opinions
1768: [11:33:38] <irogue> spronk2: honestly, now that I'm "on the inside" somewhat (not that being on a bespoke team really means you have anything to do with core), it's easy to see how that happens
1769: [11:33:51] <spronk2> oh absolutely
1770: [11:34:00] <madmatt> TBH, it can be pretty insular
1771: [11:34:02] <irogue> especially in a situation such as now where every core contrib bar one all work together
1772: [11:34:05] <madmatt> Really easily
1773: [11:34:21] <madmatt> (and moreso when the product was always built 'from the inside out' in the past)
1774: [11:34:27] <irogue> *core committer
1775: [11:34:29] <spronk2> but
1776: [11:34:34] <spronk2> if it was considered a big deal, it’d get fixed
1777: [11:35:08] <madmatt> I think with the fuss being kicked up about it recently, t will be addressed
1778: [11:35:18] <spronk2> we shall see
1779: [11:35:34] <madmatt> It's not going unnoticed, I'm sure about that. What changes come out of it, I don't know, but they'll be interesting to see
1780: [11:35:46] <madmatt> However, that's for another day, and given it's already another day, I'm off to bed ;)
1781: [11:35:48] <irogue> my only fear is that the wrong people end up leading the review
1782: [11:35:55] <irogue> i.e. the same people causing the issue
1783: [11:36:55] <irogue> can the community vote for which SS employee leads the review? :P
1784: [11:37:16] <spronk2> lol
1785: [11:37:23] <spronk2> willr :P
1786: [11:37:29] <spronk2> (because he isn’t an ss employee)
1787: [11:37:37] <irogue> lol
1788: [11:41:33] <irogue> oh god
1789: [11:42:04] <irogue> do <%-- comments not work in 2.4?!?
1790: [11:42:06] <Eliseth> Hi
1791: [11:43:00] <irogue> https://www.dropbox.com/s/tqxvrry7eabqwyv/ss_comments.png?dl=0
1792: [11:43:02] <irogue> this is non-optimal
1793: [11:43:48] <spronk2> o_o
1794: [11:43:50] <Eliseth> Question: I'm trying to link mambers to a pagetype. I created a has_many: 'TeamMember' => 'Member'. When adding the field to admin like this: DropdownField::create('TeamMemberID', 'Member', Member::get()->map()->toArray())->setEmptyString("-- choose --") it gives me a nice dropdown and all is fine.
1795: [11:44:06] <Eliseth> However... I'd like to link more than one member....
1796: [11:44:09] <Py^_^k> Sam is level headded for the most part.
1797: [11:44:22] <Py^_^k> irogue ^ but busy not with code these days.
1798: [11:44:25] <Eliseth> *mambers = members
1799: [11:44:42] <Py^_^k> also irogue yes <%-- works in 2.4
1800: [11:44:49] <Py^_^k> single line though
1801: [11:44:54] <irogue> ah
1802: [11:45:05] <irogue> that'd be the problem
1803: [11:45:15] <Py^_^k> <%-- is multi line in 3.1?
1804: [11:45:20] <Py^_^k> last I checked it still wasn't.
1805: [11:45:38] <irogue> Py^_^k: dunno, I don't frontend, just seen Oly use it
1806: [11:45:41] <irogue> hm
1807: [11:45:41] <Py^_^k> <% require customScript( ... ) %> works in multiline, but causes sneaky little issues further down track.
1808: [11:45:47] <irogue> a policeman is just sitting at the roundabout not going anywhere
1809: [11:45:59] <Py^_^k> yeah, for the most part <% anything %> is single line only irogue
1810: [11:46:25] <Eliseth> What should I change so that I can link more than one?
1811: [11:46:28] <Py^_^k> you may get away with it sometimes (as per above) but you never really get away _clean_
1812: [11:46:44] <irogue> that was *weird*
1813: [11:47:18] <Py^_^k> Eliseth: you need either gridfield, or some custom magic to make dropdown do multiples (hint: don't.)
1814: [11:47:51] <Py^_^k> or rather... do, but I don' tknow how and it's fiddly iirc so you'll have to figure it out yourself :<
1815: [11:48:01] <Py^_^k> also, ensure you decorated member to add the has_one back, or it just won't work.
1816: [11:48:12] <Eliseth> Sa what should I use instead of dropdowns?
1817: [11:48:19] <Py^_^k> gridfield
1818: [11:48:27] <irogue> or ListboxField
1819: [11:48:44] <madmatt> Yeah, ListboxField, or take a look for something like 'TagField'
1820: [11:49:00] <madmatt> (separate modules) - similar concepts that you can re-apply the fields to
1821: [11:49:06] <madmatt> Also, now I'm actually going to bed :)
1822: [11:49:14] <Eliseth> Alright, I'll look into that, thanks
1823: [11:49:36] <Py^_^k> irogue: is listboxfield the multiselect dropdown that uses chosen still?
1824: [11:50:06] <irogue> Py^_^k: I was thinking a combo of Sam and Ingo. Both level-headed, both have been involved in core, both senior enough in company to make big decisions
1825: [11:50:34] <Py^_^k> yup.
1826: [11:50:36] <irogue> Py^_^k: is multiselect yeah, not sure if it uses chosen
1827: [11:50:38] <Py^_^k> sounds good to me.
1828: [11:50:59] <irogue> one management, one non-management
1829: [11:51:04] <Py^_^k> irogue: yeah, wondered how that worked (eg 'groups' in ss backend)
1830: [11:51:14] <Py^_^k> irogue: yush
1831: [11:51:39] <Py^_^k> both passionate enough to reach a compromise, rather than stamp feet and throw fits.
1832: [11:51:52] <Py^_^k> as is the danger with a passionate open source contributor
1833: [11:52:05] <Py^_^k> like asking 'which distro should I use?'
1834: [11:52:28] <Py^_^k> best cat to throw into linux pigeons
1835: [11:54:07] <irogue> yeeeep
1836: [11:54:48] <irogue> where it'll basically become a battle between debian-based and redhat-based, plus one guy like ss23 who'll violently argue for gentoo or slackware or arch
1837: [11:55:08] <spronk2> you mean pyro
1838: [11:55:14] <spronk2> arguing for arch?
1839: [11:55:15] <spronk2> :P
1840: [11:55:34] <spronk2> pretty much it sounds like hamish is the problem?
1841: [12:02:57] <irogue> spronk2: yeah. not hamish personally necessarily, just the position
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1843: [12:04:10] <irogue> I think having someone in a management position like being a core developer makes it too easy for unintentional abuse of power
1844: [12:04:21] <irogue> i.e. where people don't speak up in disagreement because you're their boss
1845: [12:05:30] <spronk2> mm
1846: [12:06:18] <irogue> obviously personality is a part of that too, i.e. sam never gives off a "i'm your boss so don't question me" vibe
1847: [12:07:07] * spronk2 has become too oblivious to authority to notice those sorts of vibes anymore
1848: [12:07:17] <irogue> lol
1849: [12:09:14] <spronk2> and on that note
1850: [12:09:27] * spronk2 will sleep
1851: [12:09:32] <spronk2> because i decided to.
1852: [12:09:37] <spronk2> POWEERRRR
1853: [12:11:11] <irogue> yeah
1854: [12:11:13] <irogue> I need to do that
1855: [12:12:13] <spronk2> i’m at the point where if i don’t now
1856: [12:12:16] <spronk2> i’ll be too lazy to later
1857: [12:12:43] <Py^_^k> I'm an arch guy, but I know it's not good for servers for the same reason debian is not good for desktops
1858: [12:12:57] <Py^_^k> also, great releif.
1859: [12:13:10] <spronk2> maybe i’ll be trying arch soon
1860: [12:13:22] <spronk2> seeing as it doesn’t look like i’m going to get my mac desktop anytime soon >:(
1861: [12:14:24] <Py^_^k> went to the toilet, after peeing get another sharp stab into my sack as I'm pulling my underware back up. Had same problem walking the few Ks to work. Looked closer, finally saw, section of beard hair I trimmed off about 2mm long must have washed off my face while in shower
1862: [12:14:26] <Py^_^k> GREAT RELIEF
1863: [12:14:45] <spronk2> ha
1864: [12:14:47] <Py^_^k> spronk2: are you on a horse?
1865: [12:15:00] <spronk2> look at my horse
1866: [12:15:00] <Py^_^k> oh wait, wrong set of old spice ads.
1867: [12:15:02] <spronk2> my horse is amazing
1868: [12:15:16] <spronk2> give it a lick!
1869: [12:15:34] <Py^_^k> nah spronk2, this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VX5au0LOJp8
1870: [12:15:43] <spronk2> i know
1871: [12:15:50] <Py^_^k> because this one
1872: [12:15:50] <Py^_^k> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTvtFp_iPKc
1873: [12:15:57] <Py^_^k> because [13:09] <spronk2> POWEERRRR
1874: [12:16:59] <irogue> Py^_^k: at least it wasn't a pubic hair stuck to your face
1875: [12:17:29] <spronk2> terry fucking crews
1876: [12:17:45] <Py^_^k> haha irogue
1877: [12:17:49] <Py^_^k> SO TRUE
1878: [12:18:12] <Py^_^k> spronk2: ? guy is funny as hell
1879: [12:18:17] <spronk2> i knw
1880: [12:18:22] <spronk2> it was a more
1881: [12:18:27] <spronk2> admirational
1882: [12:18:28] <spronk2> thing
1883: [12:18:32] <Py^_^k> lul
1884: [12:20:01] <Py^_^k> Go to sleep you two, it's 20 past 1
1885: [12:20:11] * spronk2 is waiting for 123
1886: [12:20:24] <spronk2> OCD
1887: [12:20:27] <spronk2> its a bitch
1888: [12:21:19] <irogue> lol
1889: [12:21:26] * irogue was making sure everything was working post-deploy
1890: [12:22:10] * irogue decides it's good enough and heads to bed
1891: [12:22:45] <spronk2> k bai
1892: [12:23:06] * spronk2 departs
1893: [12:23:57] * spronk2 quit (Quit: spronk2)
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1895: [12:31:14] <Eliseth> ....fuck me... had to use many_many... another hour wasted....
1896: [12:31:26] <irogue> hey, its UndefinedOffset
1897: [12:32:01] <irogue> the guy who writes the only non-core module that's in practically every silverstripe site :P
1898: [12:32:13] <Eliseth> Which is?
1899: [12:32:33] <irogue> sortablegridfield
1900: [12:32:40] <irogue> https://github.com/UndefinedOffset/SortableGridField
1901: [12:32:40] <Eliseth> Ah
1902: [12:33:29] <Eliseth> I don't think it's in my site... Sorry UndefinedOffset !
1903: [12:34:06] * Colin[pi] quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
1904: [12:34:58] <Eliseth> p.s. If anyone know a really good PHP course to follow for someone with little experience, I'm interested. I have a feeling I'm making this whole SilverStripe thing way harder on myself by not knowing PHP very well... (or programming, for that matter)
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1906: [12:35:54] <UndefinedOffset> lol shrug joys of the current module base theres other options :)
1907: [12:36:20] <UndefinedOffset> though still rocking the top spot on addons.silverstripe.org ;)
1908: [12:36:57] <irogue> hehe, yep
1909: [12:37:15] <irogue> it looks pretty impressive in https://gitlab.cwp.govt.nz/cwp/cwp-recipe-basic/blob/master/composer.json
1910: [12:37:29] <irogue> breaking the sea of silverstripe/xyz
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1916: [12:45:42] <UndefinedOffset> mm
1917: [12:51:13] <Py^_^k> I would use the ajshort module, simply because I liked the UI better.
1918: [12:51:38] <Py^_^k> where as your module is based around the old DOM way of doing it - which I hated, heh.
1919: [12:53:09] <Py^_^k> But it is more convenient to click an extra control to enable it in some situations.
1920: [13:04:47] <Py^_^k> faarrrrk, reck'n you could power half of newcastle with a thermal generator in this office.
1921: [13:04:57] <Py^_^k> how are the z's treeting you kinglozzer ?
1922: [13:05:22] <kinglozzer> Py^_^k: They're not bad today actually
1923: [13:05:26] <kinglozzer> For once :P
1924: [13:07:57] <Py^_^k> yeh, mine aren't bad... yet.
1925: [13:08:09] <Py^_^k> I had to go for a walk because it's a stenchy sauna in here
1926: [13:08:21] <Py^_^k> the air doesn't move in this office at all, it gets really stuffy
1927: [13:08:24] <Py^_^k> and hot :<
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1931: [13:38:09] <Py^_^k> "Visual C++"
1932: [13:38:11] <Py^_^k> lolwut
1933: [13:38:34] <Py^_^k> is that the name of the MS flavoured dev suite/lib ?
1934: [13:38:53] <Py^_^k> I forget, because it sounds like a newspaper just smashed those two terms together in order to sound technical.
1935: [13:42:36] <Eliseth> Isn't all that "Visual" blahblah Microsoft?
1936: [13:43:32] <Eliseth> How do I hide my $Menu(2) on a specific page type?
1937: [13:43:37] <Py^_^k> FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF
1938: [13:43:38] <Py^_^k> https://twitter.com/hyprwired/status/524059260527706112
1939: [13:43:52] <Py^_^k> I think he means "@thatotherguy and I"
1940: [13:44:18] <Py^_^k> myself isn't used like that, the fuck is wrong with modern england speechers?
1941: [13:44:59] <Py^_^k> Eliseth: <% if $ClassName = 'PageType' %>
1942: [13:45:05] <Py^_^k> Eliseth: <% if $ClassName != 'PageType' %>
1943: [13:47:36] <Eliseth> Yay \o/
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1945: [14:01:23] <tscole> Hi guys. I'm trying to do some stuff with i18n and having issues with PHPUnit on SS3.0
1946: [14:01:43] <tscole> dev/tests says "Please install PHPUnit using pear"
1947: [14:01:56] <tscole> I've done that and can call phpunit from the command line
1948: [14:02:13] <tscole> but /dev/tests just keeps giving me that message
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1950: [14:03:43] <Py^_^k> tscole: define 'with pear' ?
1951: [14:03:56] <Py^_^k> apt-get install phpuint?
1952: [14:03:56] <tscole> pear install phpunit
1953: [14:04:00] <Py^_^k> hmm
1954: [14:04:03] <Py^_^k> interesting.
1955: [14:04:18] <Py^_^k> is pear/php configured properly?
1956: [14:04:30] <Py^_^k> is this an old project?
1957: [14:04:34] <Py^_^k> is it on an old server?
1958: [14:04:46] <tscole> Centos 6.5
1959: [14:04:50] <Py^_^k> urgh
1960: [14:04:54] <Py^_^k> so yes.
1961: [14:05:13] <Py^_^k> but silverstripe, 3.0 or 3.1?
1962: [14:05:16] <tscole> 3.0
1963: [14:05:28] <Py^_^k> so both old project and old server.
1964: [14:05:30] <Py^_^k> mmkay.
1965: [14:05:40] <Py^_^k> no composer?
1966: [14:06:06] <Py^_^k> you can run phpunit directly with ss
1967: [14:06:13] <Py^_^k> but it should work through sake too
1968: [14:06:56] <Py^_^k> https://github.com/sebastianbergmann/phpunit/wiki/End-of-Life-for-PEAR-Installation-Method
1969: [14:07:29] <Py^_^k> I know SS doesn't pick up phpunit if it's used via commandline (eg yum install phpunit or whatever)
1970: [14:07:52] <Py^_^k> but should work with pear or composer installs
1971: [14:08:00] <tscole> right
1972: [14:08:06] <tscole> I tried composer too
1973: [14:08:15] <tscole> that didn't seem to install anyuthing
1974: [14:08:21] <Py^_^k> but regardless of how you install it (ie, even if though yum) you can run phpunit framework/tests
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1976: [14:09:01] <tscole> I get: Cannot open file "/var/www/weareworship.com/sapphire/tests/bootstrap.php".
1977: [14:09:17] <tscole> which will be cos there's no sapphire
1978: [14:09:24] <tscole> it's framework now :-)
1979: [14:09:57] <Py^_^k> yeah you gotta pass in the config, but I forgot exactly how
1980: [14:10:56] <Py^_^k> https://github.com/silverstripe/silverstripe-installer/blob/3.1/phpunit.xml.dist
1981: [14:11:00] <Py^_^k> you need one of these in your root
1982: [14:11:22] <Py^_^k> I think
1983: [14:11:39] <Py^_^k> I did lots of testing a while back, but my env fell apart so I can't check, sorry
1984: [14:13:19] <tscole> hmm
1985: [14:13:31] <tscole> there is no "tests" dir in framework
1986: [14:13:58] <tscole> so it's still complaining it can't find framework/tests/bootstrap.php
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1988: [14:18:14] <tscole> This is a fairly old project that was originally on 24
1989: [14:18:32] <tscole> I guess I might need to upgrade to 3.1
1990: [14:18:40] <Py^_^k> tscole: then you have a corrupt install.
1991: [14:18:51] <tscole> yeah, looking that way isn' it
1992: [14:18:54] <Py^_^k> or some busybody has gone in there and deleted it or something
1993: [14:19:20] <Py^_^k> https://github.com/silverstripe/silverstripe-framework/tree/3.0/tests
1994: [14:20:03] <Py^_^k> tscole: you don't need to upgrade as such, you could 'refresh' the install (ie, do the upgrade, but 'upgrade' to the same version)
1995: [14:20:22] <tscole> yep - I've grabbed that already - thanks! It's now shouting about some other stuff _ss_environment.php
1996: [14:20:45] <Py^_^k> in any case, if you're prepared to spend a bit of time and have the environment set up, then 3.1 isn't a bad idea, bu tyou should keep 3.0 up to date (security fixes and things) in any case.
1997: [14:20:58] <tscole> sure
1998: [14:21:20] <tscole> There is a lot of custom code in this project so going to 3.1 may take some work
1999: [14:21:51] <Py^_^k> and of course, backup before doing anything!
2000: [14:23:26] <Py^_^k> tscole: yep, not too much, but it will take some.
2001: [14:23:38] <Py^_^k> public static -> private static being the biggest.
2002: [14:24:04] <Py^_^k> you have to update them all, and then update anything that might reference them (because no longer public) to use the config system.
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2004: [14:25:00] <tscole> right
2005: [14:26:11] <tscole> We are getting warmer
2006: [14:26:13] <tscole> PHP Fatal error: Class 'ErrorControlChain' not found
2007: [14:28:15] <Py^_^k> need to update
2008: [14:31:04] <tscole> yeah - there is a bunch of stuff missing
2009: [14:31:10] <tscole> right - I'm going to do that
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2011: [14:32:21] <hschillig> Hey when I create an instance of an already compiled silverstripe installation.. I edit the _config.php file under mysite directory. I have everything working fine and it's connecting to the right database, but I'm getting this error:
2012: [14:32:22] <hschillig> Warning: require_once(core/startup/ParameterConfirmationToken.php): failed to open stream: No such file or directory in E:\WD SmartWare.swstor\HALEY-HP\Source\SCDL\scdl\framework\main.php on line 111
2013: [14:32:22] <hschillig> The file doesn't exist so I'm wondering if I have to run a certain command for this file to be generated?
2014: [14:34:49] <Py^_^k> no, you also need to update your install. It should be there.
2015: [14:35:08] <hschillig> How do I go about updating it if none of the pages load?
2016: [14:35:29] <Py^_^k> nothing gets 'generated' on install, or via any command (nothing in the project code or core, at least) excepting the project's _config.php (not the core's)
2017: [14:35:40] <Py^_^k> well you don't need pages to load to update it.
2018: [14:35:58] <Py^_^k> what version are you running?
2019: [14:36:18] <hschillig> It says 3.1.3 in the silverstripe_version file
2020: [14:36:28] <Py^_^k> upgrade
2021: [14:38:06] <Py^_^k> http://doc.silverstripe.org/framework/en/installation/upgrading
2022: [14:47:47] <Py^_^k> there's something wrong with your install :<
2023: [14:48:17] <tscole> Seems to be the pattern today :-)
2024: [14:48:30] <Py^_^k> yes, very coincidence, 2 at once!
2025: [14:48:31] <tscole> mine is now running tests via the command line
2026: [14:48:40] <Py^_^k> cool :)
2027: [14:49:01] <tscole> I've not tried via http://site/dev/tests yet tho
2028: [14:49:03] <Py^_^k> tscole: in future it's better to install your projects with composer, then you can just require the dev version and it'll pull in phpunit for you
2029: [14:49:40] <Py^_^k> site/dev/tests works when you let composer pull in phpunit as part of SS dev level install
2030: [14:49:48] <tscole> argh. I'm still getting "Please install PHPUnit using pear"
2031: [14:50:01] <Py^_^k> but otherwise (eg if you use yum to install phpunit yourself) then you need to use phpunit blah blah
2032: [14:50:17] <Py^_^k> tscole: yes, I think you need to check your configuration (of php & pear)
2033: [14:50:37] <tscole> This is php-fpm with nginx
2034: [14:50:46] <tscole> do you think that might be making a difference?
2035: [14:52:28] <hschillig> After I upgrade and do the build and flush, it says this:
2036: [14:52:28] <hschillig> Fatal error: Class 'DMSSiteTreeExtension' not found in E:\WD SmartWare.swstor\HALEY-HP\Source\SCDL\scdl\dms\_config.php on line 6
2037: [14:52:28] <hschillig> This is called from the ErrorControlChain.php file when it goes into step() and then execute()...
2038: [14:52:45] <hschillig> I'm not sure why everything seems to be broken
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2040: [14:54:07] <hschillig> That might be one of the modules though. Lemme see.
2041: [14:55:10] <tscole> righ
2042: [14:55:21] <tscole> I ran composer in framework
2043: [14:55:28] <tscole> said it installed phpunit
2044: [14:55:37] <tscole> BUT /dev/tests still says "Please install PHPUnit using pear"
2045: [14:58:22] <Py^_^k> tscole: yeah but running from CLI is different from running through web interface
2046: [14:58:44] <tscole> cli is busted too now - as I removed it
2047: [14:59:02] <Py^_^k> yes but they use two different configs and all sorts
2048: [14:59:09] <tscole> ah
2049: [14:59:10] <tscole> ok
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2052: [15:05:20] <tscole> I'm sorry, I'm confused by this
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2054: [15:05:44] <tscole> I followed the instructions, I can see the vendor/bin/phpunit is on the server
2055: [15:05:53] <tscole> (following the composer install)
2056: [15:06:10] <tscole> but the /dev/tests is still saying install PHPUnit?
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2059: [15:14:16] <Py^_^k> tscole: is the rest of the site installed by composer?
2060: [15:15:24] <Py^_^k> https://github.com/silverstripe/silverstripe-framework/blob/c55e4fe7e2727ab4ebc5437d2d0f560eb1d02746/docs/en/topics/testing/index.md
2061: [15:15:52] <Py^_^k> sorry ** https://github.com/silverstripe/silverstripe-framework/blob/3.0/docs/en/topics/testing/index.md
2062: [15:16:07] <Zauberfisch> Oo
2063: [15:16:21] <Zauberfisch> $this->customise(array('Title' => 'Foo'))
2064: [15:16:32] <Zauberfisch> results in the follwoing 2 template variables to become foo:
2065: [15:16:36] <Zauberfisch> $Title // expected
2066: [15:16:42] <Zauberfisch> $SiteConfig.Title // dafuq?
2067: [15:16:54] <Zauberfisch> anyone else experienced similar issues?
2068: [15:17:36] <tscole> composer update --dev
2069: [15:17:51] <tscole> thats what I did, yep. Followed by ln -s vendor/bin/phpunit phpunit in the web root
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2071: [15:18:10] <Py^_^k> tscole: https://github.com/silverstripe/silverstripe-framework/blob/3.0/dev/phpunit/PhpUnitWrapper.php#L140
2072: [15:18:32] <Zauberfisch> this is anoying
2073: [15:19:02] <Py^_^k> Zauberfisch: nope :<
2074: [15:19:03] <Zauberfisch> also happenes with <% with $SiteConfig %>$Title<% end_with %>
2075: [15:19:06] <Py^_^k> that's... odd.
2076: [15:19:10] <Zauberfisch> Py^_^k: what versions are you rolling on?
2077: [15:19:18] <Py^_^k> Zauberfisch: haha, umm... none?
2078: [15:19:24] <Zauberfisch> D:
2079: [15:19:30] <Py^_^k> yeh, ikr.
2080: [15:19:43] <Zauberfisch> your employer is a horrible person
2081: [15:19:45] <Py^_^k> crud ignitter
2082: [15:19:57] <Zauberfisch> ^^
2083: [15:20:26] <Py^_^k> I was slowly edging SS into the picture, but shit here is so all over the damn place that I haven't touched it in a couple of months
2084: [15:22:29] * Adesso is trying to protect the Love for SS... what you guys doing :O
2085: [15:22:57] <Adesso> CLI installs giving you trouble or what ?
2086: [15:23:06] <Zauberfisch> I am hating SS right now
2087: [15:23:28] <Py^_^k> :<
2088: [15:23:47] <Py^_^k> Zauberfisch: $SiteConfig.Debug?
2089: [15:23:59] <Zauberfisch> too late
2090: [15:24:02] * Adesso looks at the Version number.... 3.0 ??
2091: [15:24:05] <Zauberfisch> running a update fo dev-master now
2092: [15:24:21] * Py^_^k is wondering why he started using entwine atm.
2093: [15:24:43] * Adesso has still not touched that etwine beast
2094: [15:24:46] <Py^_^k> so far I just have single event handlers
2095: [15:24:57] <Py^_^k> would have made more sense to just use them.
2096: [15:25:11] <Py^_^k> and entwine the big beasty in the middle.
2097: [15:25:18] <Py^_^k> instead of entwine all of the things
2098: [15:25:32] * Py^_^k shrugs
2099: [15:25:34] <Py^_^k> oh well
2100: [15:25:58] * Adesso stepps back... I#ll keep my trap shut and let you guys finish this then... :D
2101: [15:26:13] * Py^_^k wonders what Adesso is on about
2102: [15:26:58] <Adesso> just checking in... wanting to go ahead an carry on with my new SS super site..... and then I stumble on this load of dirty underwear :P
2103: [15:27:04] <Py^_^k> :P
2104: [15:27:07] <Py^_^k> none here
2105: [15:27:16] <Py^_^k> just confusion about dev environments and unit testing
2106: [15:27:31] <Py^_^k> plus 1 issue with customise and templates calling wrong scope.
2107: [15:27:40] <Py^_^k> or customise having too strong a scope
2108: [15:27:41] <Py^_^k> or something
2109: [15:27:49] <Py^_^k> Zauberfisch to the rescue though :>
2110: [15:28:00] <Py^_^k> I'm building a database merger :<
2111: [15:28:03] <Adesso> oh... Knight in shining armour eh
2112: [15:28:13] <Zauberfisch> uh what?
2113: [15:28:19] <Adesso> nevermind
2114: [15:28:21] <Py^_^k> literally a tool for manually merging 2 records in the same table and updating all their relations
2115: [15:28:29] <Adesso> Don't let me ditract you guys
2116: [15:28:40] <Adesso> distryct
2117: [15:28:45] <Py^_^k> because at a glance, I have one postcode with 172 records (all probably the same address)
2118: [15:28:49] <Adesso> godd damn son of a bitch
2119: [15:28:53] <Adesso> distract
2120: [15:28:58] <Py^_^k> yup
2121: [15:29:27] <Zauberfisch> tscole: I can't tell you how to install phpunit
2122: [15:29:32] <Adesso> that's not half as bad as it sounded
2123: [15:29:42] <Zauberfisch> but if you use vagrant, I have a box that has phpunit installed
2124: [15:29:42] <Adesso> phew
2125: [15:29:43] <Py^_^k> yeah but it's tiring
2126: [15:30:00] <Adesso> that's Development for ya ..
2127: [15:30:28] <Adesso> ps > Zauberfisch a link to your Vagrant Boxes would be nice...
2128: [15:30:33] * Adesso want to play a bit
2129: [15:31:48] <Adesso> maybe improve the CentOS box :D
2130: [15:32:26] <Py^_^k> [16:29] <Py^_^k> yeah but it's tiring [16:30] <Adesso> that's Development for ya .. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmR3wIBJZbk
2131: [15:33:09] <Py^_^k> that's development for ya. As spronk posted up earlier ;)
2132: [15:35:15] * Adesso wants a IDE with 3D graphics too
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2135: [15:50:06] <Zauberfisch> hmm
2136: [15:50:08] <Zauberfisch> odd bug:
2137: [15:50:31] <Zauberfisch> $this->customise(array('Title' => 'foo'))->renderWith(...) actually works
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2139: [15:50:56] <Zauberfisch> $this->renderWith(..., array('Title' => 'foo') does not work
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2142: [15:59:14] <tscole> I've installed PHPUnit
2143: [15:59:19] <tscole> in multiple ways
2144: [15:59:28] <tscole> but SilverStripe just reckons its not there
2145: [15:59:32] <tscole> very annoying
2146: [16:01:34] <Py^_^k> ohhh, I'm writing my entwine wrong. Duh!
2147: [16:02:02] <Py^_^k> tscole: well, depends on how it can (or cannot) find it.
2148: [16:02:40] <Py^_^k> tscole: I suggest perhaps you update your include path
2149: [16:02:40] <Py^_^k> https://github.com/silverstripe/silverstripe-framework/blob/3.0/dev/phpunit/PhpUnitWrapper.php#L140
2150: [16:02:54] <Py^_^k> (same link as before, 3.0 test for php unit's existence)
2151: [16:03:21] <Py^_^k> class_exists('PHPUnit_Runner_Version') || fileExistsInIncludePath("/PHPUnit/Autoload.php") || fileExistsInIncludePath("/PHPUnit/Framework.php")
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2153: [16:04:31] <Py^_^k> php -r "var_dump(class_exists('PHPUnit_Runner_Version') || fileExistsInIncludePath("/PHPUnit/Autoload.php") || fileExistsInIncludePath("/PHPUnit/Framework.php"));die(PHP_EOL);"
2154: [16:04:37] <Py^_^k> run that in CLI.
2155: [16:04:40] <Py^_^k> you'll soon find out.
2156: [16:04:53] <Py^_^k> dump it in a file, run it as web page.
2157: [16:04:56] <tscole> PHP Parse error: syntax error, unexpected '/' in Command line code on line 1
2158: [16:04:56] <Py^_^k> you'll find out better.
2159: [16:05:07] <Py^_^k> change the double quotes to single quotes.
2160: [16:05:33] <Py^_^k> (inside the double quotes ie "var_dump(SINGLE QUOTES ONLY);..."
2161: [16:06:03] <Py^_^k> as I said earlier, even if you install it with pear, you have to make sure php is set up to read it!
2162: [16:06:18] <tscole> PHP Fatal error: Call to undefined function fileExistsInIncludePath() in Command line code on line 1
2163: [16:06:29] <Py^_^k> hmm, that must be SS specific
2164: [16:06:44] <Py^_^k> yeh https://github.com/silverstripe/silverstripe-framework/blob/3.0/dev/phpunit/PhpUnitWrapper.php#L13
2165: [16:08:07] <Py^_^k> put it all in a file, run that with php via both CLI and web request
2166: [16:08:24] <Py^_^k> you'll soon find out if you need to sysadmin a bit better or not :>
2167: [16:08:32] <tscole> :-)
2168: [16:12:47] <tscole> returns bool(false)
2169: [16:13:19] <kinglozzer> PATH="/path/to/composer/vendor/bin/:$PATH"
2170: [16:16:15] <tscole> same
2171: [16:16:19] <tscole> bool(false)
2172: [16:16:33] <kinglozzer> tscole: Restarted apache?
2173: [16:16:44] <tscole> nginx
2174: [16:17:40] <kinglozzer> Gotta run, good luck!
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2179: [16:44:43] <Py^_^k> var_dump(ini_get('include_path'));
2180: [16:44:48] <Py^_^k> make sure your things are in it.
2181: [16:45:26] <Py^_^k> tscole: oh, you're running fpm? that'll have it's own ini too.
2182: [16:45:31] <Py^_^k> gl!
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2184: [16:45:37] <tscole> I am
2185: [16:45:40] <tscole> thanks!
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2222: [19:47:20] <catcher> Anyone have info on the plans for TinyMCE4?
2223: [19:49:38] <Ryan-Toast> it looks a lot like CKEditor
2224: [19:49:59] <Ryan-Toast> oh god the formats dropdown. I want it.
2225: [19:50:13] <Olliepop> It's definitely pretty
2226: [19:50:46] <Ryan-Toast> looks a lot more usable.
2227: [19:51:17] <Ryan-Toast> wonder if adding plugins is sstill a massive bitch.
2228: [19:51:57] <Ryan-Toast> “This is a much richer API since you can create more complex user interfaces such as dialogs using its built in layout engines.”
2229: [19:52:04] <Ryan-Toast> Good.
2230: [19:53:20] <Ryan-Toast> reading the presentation it actually sounds like I may not hate TinyMCE any more.
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2233: [20:01:20] <Ryan-Toast> adrexia: pls. I need dis.
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2246: [20:14:24] <zippy> I don't like the app window buttons top right in Yosemite
2247: [20:14:32] <zippy> top left rather... duh
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2249: [20:17:48] <Ryan-Toast> zippy: How long ddid the update take?
2250: [20:17:59] <catcher> So anyone know when SS gets TinyMCE 4?
2251: [20:18:04] <kinglozzer> zippy: They're a bit... I dunno, childish?
2252: [20:18:06] <zippy> Ryan-Toast: I haven't done it yet, I was watching a video
2253: [20:18:13] <zippy> kinglozzer: yea
2254: [20:18:20] <Ryan-Toast> zippy: my boss did it, but he didn’t time it.
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2256: [20:18:30] <kinglozzer> Ryan-Toast: For some it takes like 8 hours
2257: [20:18:35] <Ryan-Toast> kinglozzer: jesus
2258: [20:18:40] <kinglozzer> Something to do with how much non-standard stuff is in /usr/bin
2259: [20:18:47] <antmas> morning all
2260: [20:18:54] <Ryan-Toast> kinglozzer: Mine is like 3 months old, so shouldn’t take too long.
2261: [20:19:08] <kinglozzer> /usr/local*
2262: [20:19:08] <kinglozzer> https://jimlindley.com/blog/yosemite-upgrade-homebrew-tips/
2263: [20:19:26] <Ryan-Toast> kinglozzer: Begged my boss to let me build a hackintosh, but nope.
2264: [20:20:08] <antmas> is building a hackintosh still limited by specific hardware?
2265: [20:20:25] <antmas> or you can you kinda do it using any chipsets now? (intel)
2266: [20:20:26] <Ryan-Toast> antmas: not really.
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2268: [20:21:13] <Ryan-Toast> antmas: Mavrick opened up a lot of support.
2269: [20:21:21] <antmas> Ryan-Toast: nice
2270: [20:21:37] <antmas> tempted to build one out of my old rig when I upgrade
2271: [20:21:55] <Olliepop> Yosemite is sooo nice
2272: [20:22:16] <Ryan-Toast> I hate coming top work and using this after using my home comp.
2273: [20:22:19] <Ryan-Toast> to*
2274: [20:22:30] <zippy> Olliepop: why?
2275: [20:22:30] <Ryan-Toast> Olliepop: reminds me of ubuntu
2276: [20:22:34] <kinglozzer> On the whole it's good, been using the betas
2277: [20:22:55] <zippy> what makes it better. I didn't even upgrade to maveric
2278: [20:23:22] <Ryan-Toast> zippy: UI overhaul looks like
2279: [20:23:27] <kinglozzer> Spotlight is better, the dark UI mode is sexy, that's about all I really care about :P
2280: [20:24:24] <kinglozzer> The "wake up" process seems to be different too - it's super-quick to reach the login screen, then takes longer after you've entered your password
2281: [20:24:38] <antmas> is it faster?
2282: [20:24:39] <antmas> overall?
2283: [20:24:51] <kinglozzer> antmas: Hard to say if it actually is, but it does feel it
2284: [20:25:04] <antmas> you think it would, it's a pretty big update
2285: [20:25:40] <antmas> I can't stop reading it as Yose Might
2286: [20:26:03] <kinglozzer> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70JqF8KoCwY
2287: [20:26:19] <Olliepop> zippy Ryan-Toast I find the palette makes it a lot easier on the eyes to work for a long duration, and the integration with iOS is long overdue
2288: [20:26:31] <Ryan-Toast> Olliepop: Coolio.
2289: [20:26:41] <Ryan-Toast> Will set it to update overnight.
2290: [20:27:40] * Sj0hn has joined #silverstripe
2291: [20:28:53] <antmas> any difference with RAM usage?
2292: [20:30:23] * micmania1 has joined #silverstripe
2293: [20:32:40] <kinglozzer> Hey micmania1
2294: [20:32:54] <micmania1> kinglozzer: areet
2295: [20:33:00] <kinglozzer> antmas: I've not monitored it at all before/after so can't really comment!
2296: [20:33:34] <kinglozzer> micmania1: http://github-dashing.herokuapp.com/default ;)
2297: [20:34:08] * Colin[pi] has joined #silverstripe
2298: [20:34:25] <micmania1> kinglozzer: we have it on a TV in the office :p
2299: [20:34:42] <Colin[pi]> morning all
2300: [20:34:45] <kinglozzer> Ah haha
2301: [20:34:55] <kinglozzer> Hey Colin[pi]
2302: [20:36:41] <Colin[pi]> has anyone had problems with their lightning cables yellowing/overheating near the connector?
2303: [20:36:50] <Colin[pi]> I'm on like my third cable now
2304: [20:36:56] <Colin[pi]> (genuine too)
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2306: [20:42:37] <antmas> Colin[pi]: HAI o/
2307: [20:42:49] <Colin[pi]> HAI2U ANTMAS
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2311: [20:48:51] <Olliepop> Out of curiosity has anyone tried anything better than PhoneGap lately?
2312: [20:49:04] <Pyromanik> yep, NO MOBILE AT ALL
2313: [20:49:15] <Ryan-Toast> Olliepop: Native codeing :P
2314: [20:49:16] <Pyromanik> It's great. Motherfuckers can't ring you at all.
2315: [20:49:35] <Olliepop> Ryan-Toast thing is I just hate Objective C so much
2316: [20:49:41] <Pyromanik> so use Java
2317: [20:50:00] <Ryan-Toast> Olliepop: Depending on the usecas just make a responsive web app?
2318: [20:50:14] <Kingy> yay a report on the site is totally wrong \o
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2320: [20:54:51] <Pyromanik> Kingy, yey reports
2321: [20:55:43] <Pyromanik> hahaha
2322: [20:55:44] <Pyromanik> [09:55] -NickServ- You are now identified for Pyromanik.
2323: [20:55:44] <Pyromanik> [09:55] -NickServ- 5 failed logins since last login.
2324: [20:55:44] <Pyromanik> [09:55] -NickServ- Last failed attempt from: Pyromanik!~spronk2@118-92-231-40.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz on Oct 14 11:59:52 2014.
2325: [20:55:54] <Pyromanik> oh you, spronk
2326: [20:56:53] <Pyromanik> hey hands up who uses 3.0?
2327: [20:57:02] <Pyromanik> do people still ever actively develop for it?
2328: [20:57:27] <Pyromanik> dammit, wake up NZ!
2329: [20:57:33] <micmania1> WERE AWAKE
2330: [20:57:37] <Ryan-Toast> WE ARE HERE
2331: [20:57:42] <Ryan-Toast> AND DRINKING OUR TEA
2332: [20:57:54] <Kingy> Pyromanik, still using 3.0
2333: [20:58:00] <Ryan-Toast> Do you mean 3.1.6, or literally 3.0?
2334: [20:58:08] <Pyromanik> Kingy, why?
2335: [20:58:10] <Kingy> 3.0
2336: [20:58:18] <irogue_> Pyromanik: we develop for 3.0
2337: [20:58:20] <Kingy> because that's how I inherited it
2338: [20:58:21] <Pyromanik> Ryan-Toast, well obviously 3.0, since there's nothing more than 3.1
2339: [20:58:37] <Kingy> If I'm doing something personally i'll use 3.1
2340: [20:58:41] <Kingy> but the work site is 3.0
2341: [20:58:46] <Pyromanik> irogue_, I see. So I should release v3.0 modules then?
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2343: [20:58:53] <kinglozzer> Pyromanik: We maintain lots of 3.0, no new development though
2344: [20:59:01] <Ryan-Toast> I use 3.1.6 for personal and work.
2345: [20:59:02] <kinglozzer> (maybe a few template tweaks and shit)
2346: [20:59:13] <irogue_> Pyromanik: I wouldn't bother, personally. Up to you though.
2347: [20:59:28] <micmania1> Pyromanik: what will work on 3.0 won’t work on 3.2, but should only really be the private static stuff
2348: [20:59:30] <zippy> 3.1...
2349: [20:59:48] <zippy> look forward not back!
2350: [21:00:07] <irogue_> hell, there's still development done on 2.4 sites here
2351: [21:00:25] <micmania1> I’ve done work in pre-2.4 stuff :|
2352: [21:00:33] <Pyromanik> micmania1, lots of things that work for 3.1 won't work for 3.2, but 3.0 -> 3.1 there is mainly just the private statics yeh
2353: [21:00:46] <zippy> irogue_: ditto, but I tell them anything major and we must upgrade them to 3.1 as well..
2354: [21:00:49] <Pyromanik> micmania1, so have I!
2355: [21:00:53] <Pyromanik> not recently though :<
2356: [21:00:59] <antmas> sup Pyromanik o/
2357: [21:01:05] <irogue_> zippy: can be difficult depending on the size of the site :P
2358: [21:01:05] <zippy> oh yus!!
2359: [21:01:07] <micmania1> Pyromanik: yeah, but in the past week?
2360: [21:01:07] <Pyromanik> hurro antmas
2361: [21:01:16] <kinglozzer> micmania1: I did a 2.3 > 2.4 upgrade last week!
2362: [21:01:17] * zippy has sky go with the cricket on the ipad...
2363: [21:01:20] <Pyromanik> micmania1, ouch.
2364: [21:01:23] <zippy> irogue_: this one is large....
2365: [21:01:26] <micmania1> kinglozzer: wow
2366: [21:01:33] <Pyromanik> 2.2? the one with the flash based image editor?
2367: [21:01:52] <micmania1> no version lol - just pre-2.4
2368: [21:01:54] <Pyromanik> kinglozzer, haha, admittedly I did one of those in 2013 before I left for the uk
2369: [21:02:07] <Pyromanik> micmania1, lol lies, they all had versions!
2370: [21:02:14] <Pyromanik> unlike 2.4.6+
2371: [21:02:27] <Colin[pi]> kinglozzer: are they going to go 3.x what with the 2.4 EOL approaching?
2372: [21:02:32] <micmania1> Pyromanik: nope - these are bastardised versions
2373: [21:02:32] <kinglozzer> You just had to guess what the version was :P
2374: [21:02:35] <irogue_> would probably be $200k+ estimate to upgrade a couple of the 3.0 sites to 3.1
2375: [21:02:48] <Pyromanik> micmania1, ah, that makes more sense now then!
2376: [21:02:51] <antmas> zippy: sky go, do you have to sky to get that?
2377: [21:02:55] <Pyromanik> modded cores make shit so difficult :<
2378: [21:02:59] <kinglozzer> Colin[pi]: Dunno, probably not
2379: [21:03:03] <Pyromanik> eh irogue_ :P
2380: [21:03:05] <zippy> antmas: yeap
2381: [21:03:06] <kinglozzer> antmas: Yeah you do
2382: [21:03:23] <zippy> kinglozzer: but you can have up to 3 devices, so if you know someone with sky... ask them for the hook up :)
2383: [21:03:35] <irogue_> don't expect sky to not be dicks :P
2384: [21:03:38] <kinglozzer> Yeah, or if you pay extra up to 5 I think
2385: [21:03:54] <kinglozzer> Sky Go + or whatever
2386: [21:04:05] <Pyromanik> different company in nz kinglozzer
2387: [21:04:17] <Pyromanik> though possibly still murdoch owned
2388: [21:04:20] <Pyromanik> dunno
2389: [21:04:21] <micmania1> Pyromanik: isn’t it all owned by FOX?
2390: [21:04:26] * kinglozzer didn't even know Sky operated on NZ at all
2391: [21:04:38] <kinglozzer> Assumed it'd be different if so, though "BSKYB"
2392: [21:04:39] <Pyromanik> micmania1, whoever that murdoch fellow is with the whole phone hack scandle.
2393: [21:04:47] <micmania1> yeah, him
2394: [21:04:50] <micmania1> he owns everything
2395: [21:04:53] <Stomach> if you want to watch the cricket there is a couple of streams online
2396: [21:04:59] <antmas> pretty sure you can still do the sky multiroom thing across towns
2397: [21:05:06] <Pyromanik> kinglozzer, yeah bskyb is UK, specifically. However most places in EU with sky are the same company, same design and all. NZ is different on all fronts.
2398: [21:05:15] <zippy> Wow!
2399: [21:05:19] <irogue_> sky tv in nz used to be murdoch's
2400: [21:05:21] <irogue_> but not any more
2401: [21:05:27] <zippy> Dan Vettori is playing today
2402: [21:05:28] <JeremyRoundill> Really?
2403: [21:05:32] <irogue_> newscorp sold it in 2013
2404: [21:05:36] <JeremyRoundill> True.
2405: [21:05:45] <JeremyRoundill> I'm behind the times then.
2406: [21:05:51] <irogue_> they're still knobs though :P
2407: [21:05:53] <Pyromanik> yeah some of the names of things are the same. MySky for eg.
2408: [21:05:59] <JeremyRoundill> Agreed.
2409: [21:06:03] <Pyromanik> irogue_, JeremyRoundill yups.
2410: [21:06:03] <kinglozzer> Whoa, had no idea Pyromanik, branding is pretty different
2411: [21:06:18] <Pyromanik> mind you, I'm with sky over here, and they're actually really good.
2412: [21:06:23] <micmania1> the remotes are almost the same!
2413: [21:06:26] <irogue_> "Despite the similarity of name and services, such as SKY GO, SKY Movies and MY SKY+ shared with its British equivalent, BSkyB, there is no connection between the companies."
2414: [21:06:29] <Pyromanik> although... Murdoch is probably reading all this as I send it through
2415: [21:06:34] <Pyromanik> but whatever
2416: [21:06:44] <UncleCheese> burglars came back last night
2417: [21:06:50] <irogue_> UncleCheese: did you kill them?
2418: [21:06:58] <Pyromanik> UncleCheese, oh rude.
2419: [21:07:09] <UncleCheese> no.. but I asked them what they thought of SemVer
2420: [21:07:10] <zippy> UncleCheese: wow..
2421: [21:07:15] <zippy> hahahah
2422: [21:07:22] <Pyromanik> SemVer?
2423: [21:07:25] <irogue_> UncleCheese: have you been calling the policemans each time?
2424: [21:07:27] <UncleCheese> yeah
2425: [21:07:35] <kinglozzer> Pyromanik: semantic versioning
2426: [21:07:38] <Pyromanik> oic
2427: [21:07:38] <UncleCheese> they're pretty much just hanging out in the area waiting on our calls at thsi point
2428: [21:07:39] <zippy> UncleCheese: jump on the roof?
2429: [21:07:48] <UncleCheese> no, this time they went to the laundry room out back
2430: [21:07:59] <JeremyRoundill> Burglars V2.0.0?
2431: [21:08:05] <Pyromanik> do you hear them UncleCheese? They do this while you're at home?
2432: [21:08:09] <UncleCheese> and what's weird is each time we hear them, it's combined with a smell of burning metal
2433: [21:08:17] <Pyromanik> heh, junkies.
2434: [21:08:21] <UncleCheese> so i think there's some sort of welding torch thing going on
2435: [21:08:24] <UncleCheese> junkies?
2436: [21:08:33] <Pyromanik> could be, pipes or something
2437: [21:08:37] <UncleCheese> ugh
2438: [21:08:57] * antmas loves welding smells
2439: [21:09:02] <Pyromanik> idk, but potheads heat teaspoons with butane torches
2440: [21:09:17] <UncleCheese> interesting..
2441: [21:09:18] <UncleCheese> pot?
2442: [21:09:20] <Pyromanik> from what I"ve seen in american movies, crackheads do the same.
2443: [21:09:22] <Pyromanik> UncleCheese,yeh
2444: [21:09:23] <UncleCheese> i know what pot smells like
2445: [21:09:24] <Pyromanik> spots
2446: [21:09:33] <Pyromanik> hash, specifically, idk, ask irogue_ :P
2447: [21:09:50] <Pyromanik> irogue_, spots go on spoons, right?
2448: [21:10:01] <JeremyRoundill> Anything metal, man.
2449: [21:10:08] <zippy> I thought it was stove top with knifes under the elements
2450: [21:10:09] <JeremyRoundill> Spoons, knives, forks.
2451: [21:10:10] <Pyromanik> UncleCheese, yeh but hash doesn't give off the mary jane smell.
2452: [21:10:16] <Pyromanik> zippy, same deal.
2453: [21:10:16] <Stomach> spots you heat knives up
2454: [21:10:22] <UncleCheese> hash?
2455: [21:10:23] <antmas> spots are on knives
2456: [21:10:28] <antmas> and you use the element :P
2457: [21:10:30] <Pyromanik> UncleCheese, yes, not smoking bud.
2458: [21:10:37] <UncleCheese> hmm
2459: [21:10:47] <Pyromanik> are they actually stealing stuff?
2460: [21:10:58] <Pyromanik> or just... poking around to see if they can?
2461: [21:11:07] <Pyromanik> but nothing of value in the areas tehy get to?
2462: [21:11:09] <UncleCheese> no, they've been scoping it out
2463: [21:11:27] <Pyromanik> right yeh. decorate your lounge with beer crates as furniture :<
2464: [21:11:31] <zippy> UncleCheese: must be pretty freaky...
2465: [21:11:36] <Pyromanik> I'll say!
2466: [21:11:39] <UncleCheese> one week ago, strung out chick in her early 20s, about 50kg, is standing in our door, about 50cm from the glass
2467: [21:11:45] <UncleCheese> doesn't knock
2468: [21:11:52] <Pyromanik> ha, and you see her?
2469: [21:11:58] <Pyromanik> and she's not phased?
2470: [21:12:01] <UncleCheese> approach her, she asks for a phonebook, I say, what is a phonebook
2471: [21:12:06] <Pyromanik> hahahaha
2472: [21:12:15] <UncleCheese> offer to look up the number for her online.. despite the fact that she's carrying a mobile
2473: [21:12:21] <UncleCheese> and she mumbles something incoherent and walks away
2474: [21:12:32] <UncleCheese> then we see her trying to climb the neighbours' fence
2475: [21:12:34] <UncleCheese> fails
2476: [21:12:39] <Pyromanik> hahahahah
2477: [21:12:42] <UncleCheese> eventually gets over the fence of our other neighbour
2478: [21:12:43] <UncleCheese> call the police
2479: [21:12:56] <UncleCheese> several people did... brought out dogs, no luck
2480: [21:12:59] <Pyromanik> call 111 and tell'm!
2481: [21:13:12] <UncleCheese> so clearly she had scoped out the place, saw that we had multiple laptops and iWhatevers
2482: [21:13:17] <zippy> com'on, keep it green
2483: [21:13:19] <Pyromanik> yeh, doggies gotta be there pretty quick :>
2484: [21:13:22] <Pyromanik> :< *
2485: [21:13:23] <UncleCheese> and they've marked this one as a high value target
2486: [21:13:39] <UncleCheese> two nights ago, man is on roof trying to get into our windows at 3AM
2487: [21:13:49] <UncleCheese> as evidenced by several tiles on the roof now dented
2488: [21:13:50] <Pyromanik> from the roof?
2489: [21:13:57] <Pyromanik> wow, scary shit man
2490: [21:14:02] <UncleCheese> fails.. car drives off very close to our driveway 15 minutes later
2491: [21:14:15] <UncleCheese> last night, they tried the laundry room
2492: [21:14:24] <Colin[pi]> dude that sucks
2493: [21:14:24] <UncleCheese> called the cops straight away.. they were there in about 45 seconds
2494: [21:14:25] <Pyromanik> must be fingerprints or something, surely
2495: [21:14:35] <UncleCheese> yeah, i mean
2496: [21:14:35] <Colin[pi]> I hate that shit, when it's like constant
2497: [21:14:48] * zippy would of probably snapped under the stress by now and gone rambo with kitchen knife
2498: [21:14:48] <UncleCheese> i just don't get why they keep trying.. you'd think at some point they'd say, fuck it.. let's try the neighbour
2499: [21:14:55] <UncleCheese> i mean, everyone has laptops and TVs.. we're not special
2500: [21:15:01] <Pyromanik> mmm.
2501: [21:15:12] <UncleCheese> so we're sleeping all of, like.. 2 hours a night these days
2502: [21:15:13] <Pyromanik> but crims are some of the dumbest fucks you'll ever meet.
2503: [21:15:18] <Colin[pi]> neighbours reported to me yesty they saw someone scoping out the cars the day before
2504: [21:15:28] <Colin[pi]> better not touch my new honda! :(
2505: [21:15:38] <antmas> man, all this makes me glad Nelson doesn't have this crap :O
2506: [21:15:38] <Pyromanik> Colin[pi], are you a cop? why the neighbours telling you?
2507: [21:15:47] <Pyromanik> antmas, don't be a fool, of course it does.
2508: [21:15:48] <Colin[pi]> Pyromanik: just being neighbourly
2509: [21:15:50] <UncleCheese> cops have distributed circulars all over our neighbourhood
2510: [21:15:56] <Pyromanik> Colin[pi], ah, as in 'lock yo car up bro'
2511: [21:16:00] <Pyromanik> gotcha.
2512: [21:16:09] <Colin[pi]> Pyromanik: yeah basically, just a heads up
2513: [21:16:09] <zippy> antmas: just people throwing acid on clothes and running around with toy guns and getting chased by cops
2514: [21:16:21] <antmas> zippy: Pyromanik exactly!
2515: [21:16:24] <antmas> :P
2516: [21:16:45] <Pyromanik> zippy, I thought you lived in Nelson, not Blenheim?
2517: [21:16:49] <Pyromanik> ;P
2518: [21:16:54] <zippy> :)
2519: [21:17:04] <Pyromanik> UncleCheese, I hope there's a swift resolution!
2520: [21:17:19] <Pyromanik> UncleCheese, did you have to describe suspect?
2521: [21:17:25] <Colin[pi]> Pyromanik UncleCheese: there is, flamethrower
2522: [21:17:26] <Pyromanik> do all that fun shit with statements and crap?
2523: [21:17:28] <Colin[pi]> the only solution
2524: [21:17:38] <Pyromanik> Colin[pi], nah, castration.
2525: [21:17:53] <Pyromanik> well, for violent crimes I think, for sure.
2526: [21:18:07] <Pyromanik> 3 strikes, 2 balls WALK
2527: [21:18:16] <antmas> just dress up as another burgler and sit up there waiting
2528: [21:18:22] <Pyromanik> oh you, baseball, I don't even know how you work, but you're fun to pun with!
2529: [21:18:25] <antmas> and be all like 'fuck you guys are late!'
2530: [21:18:59] <Pyromanik> antmas, and then suggest that sweet holden with the steelies with the computer gear in it around the corner as the next target?
2531: [21:19:09] <UncleCheese> zippy do those cameras burn through your internet usage?
2532: [21:19:22] <antmas> Pyromanik: exactly
2533: [21:19:45] <zippy> UncleCheese: no - it will only stream when your watching. You can also configure it to take snap shots and email based on motion as well
2534: [21:19:58] <UncleCheese> oh that's sweet
2535: [21:19:58] <zippy> and I think you can set it to record all the time and dump (which would use usage)
2536: [21:20:10] <antmas> that email thing is pretty neat
2537: [21:20:21] <UncleCheese> ok, because to use it as a surveillance device, we'd need to have it constantly streaming
2538: [21:20:31] <UncleCheese> er
2539: [21:20:31] <UncleCheese> no
2540: [21:20:32] <antmas> my Dad has one set up with GPRS to send him photos when are deer walks past :P
2541: [21:20:44] <zippy> UncleCheese: set it up in the office
2542: [21:20:48] <zippy> have a play
2543: [21:20:51] <UncleCheese> i will
2544: [21:20:58] <UncleCheese> going to get one at lunch
2545: [21:21:22] <irogue_> [10:10:01] <JeremyRoundill> Anything metal, man.
2546: [21:21:26] <irogue_> ah, my fellow hamiltonian :P
2547: [21:21:37] <zippy> need to download the configure app from their website for osx, but after that you can tweak with the browser
2548: [21:21:39] <Colin[pi]> zippy UncleCheese: is this to watch from the office?
2549: [21:21:42] <irogue_> [10:08:09] <UncleCheese> and what's weird is each time we hear them, it's combined with a smell of burning metal
2550: [21:22:06] <irogue_> might pay to make sure you still have your guttering and pipes
2551: [21:22:10] <JeremyRoundill> Haha, irogue_, you know it!
2552: [21:22:20] <Pyromanik> irogue_, UncleCheese Ah, very good point!!!
2553: [21:22:33] <Pyromanik> they might be copper thieves, that'd explain them up on your roof.
2554: [21:22:40] <irogue_> yep
2555: [21:22:42] <UncleCheese> irogue_ ??
2556: [21:22:45] <Colin[pi]> Pyromanik: actually yeah
2557: [21:22:51] <Colin[pi]> copper is a big stolen item right now
2558: [21:22:54] <Pyromanik> UncleCheese, old houses have copper piping and guttering
2559: [21:22:57] <UncleCheese> ok?
2560: [21:23:10] <irogue_> methheads steal it and sell it as scrap metal for $$
2561: [21:23:12] <Colin[pi]> and they had a blow torch, right?
2562: [21:23:20] <Pyromanik> copper is very valuable atm (has been for a number of years now), so all old houses in NZ are slowly getting stripped of all their external plumbing
2563: [21:23:28] <UncleCheese> i believe so
2564: [21:23:35] <UncleCheese> it stinks of burning metal when they arrive
2565: [21:23:38] <Pyromanik> UncleCheese, might pay to check in with the cops
2566: [21:23:57] <Pyromanik> suggest that might be what they're after, not your laptops (which they'd probably still take if you weren't home as a bonus)
2567: [21:24:14] <Pyromanik> but copper goes to the dodgy scrappy who pays dosh for it
2568: [21:24:25] <Pyromanik> iThings get TrackMyMac'd and they get snapped
2569: [21:24:34] <irogue_> I was keeping track of some copper thieves on my police scanner in the tron
2570: [21:24:49] <Pyromanik> thieves are dumb as fuck, but they're crafty enough to know a few things (unlike here in the uk)
2571: [21:24:50] <irogue_> houses in the same area kept getting done
2572: [21:24:51] <antmas> yeah this copper theory sounds right
2573: [21:24:58] * r_hector quit (Quit: Leaving.)
2574: [21:24:59] <Pyromanik> (that's how my assailant got nicked)
2575: [21:25:32] <UncleCheese> crazy
2576: [21:25:35] <Colin[pi]> http://www.powerco.co.nz/News-and-Media/News-Archive/Thieves-put-lives-at-risk-for-scrap-copper/
2577: [21:25:36] <Pyromanik> my old man's work got done in about 3 years ago, they pinched all the _internal_ guttering
2578: [21:25:41] <Colin[pi]> ^ like this sort of shit
2579: [21:25:48] <Pyromanik> yup Colin[pi]
2580: [21:25:55] <Colin[pi]> shit be crazy
2581: [21:26:09] <irogue_> eventually the cops snapped them in the act, someone called in and reported and unknown suspicious people parked in their driveway
2582: [21:26:25] <Colin[pi]> argh fuck these types of people make me rage so hard
2583: [21:26:27] <irogue_> police turned up, dog tracked them over the fence and to underneath the neighbour's
2584: [21:26:32] <irogue_> house
2585: [21:26:34] <Pyromanik> UncleCheese, it sounds like some real Trailer Park Boys kinda scheme I know (coming from a place where muggings and tech theft is more a thing) but it's actually reality.
2586: [21:26:48] <Colin[pi]> Pyromanik: well it's easy cash for drugs
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2588: [21:26:56] <Colin[pi]> relatively easy anyway
2589: [21:26:57] <Pyromanik> Colin[pi], mmm.
2590: [21:26:57] <irogue_> were under the house with hacksaws and blowtorches, taking all the underfloor copper pipes
2591: [21:27:11] <Colin[pi]> irogue_: diabolical
2592: [21:27:11] <antmas> doesn't it suck that we're almost forced to know about these kinda things in detail?
2593: [21:27:15] <Pyromanik> yeah, so if you wake up with no hot (or cold) water UncleCheese, you know why.
2594: [21:27:18] <kinglozzer> Metal thieves hit a bank here a few years ago
2595: [21:27:23] <Colin[pi]> antmas: sure does!
2596: [21:27:38] <irogue_> a day later the cops were raiding a scrap metal yard, safe assumption that it was related (got the thieves to roll on who they were selling to)
2597: [21:27:51] <Pyromanik> irogue_, cool.
2598: [21:27:59] <kinglozzer> A company was contracted to refit all the air conditioning, someone left a door open and they stole everything in the roof
2599: [21:27:59] <Colin[pi]> UncleCheese: I take it this phenomenon is new to you?
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2601: [21:28:29] <Pyromanik> sometimes I wonder if it's the scrapy that's dodgy (likely) or if they have a dodgy 'legit' tradie mate who ownes a demo'n business they funnel stuff through like money laundering.
2602: [21:28:47] <irogue_> yeah, could be either
2603: [21:29:04] <irogue_> easy way to tell though is to check the scrappy's register, as all copper sales have to be logged
2604: [21:29:13] <UncleCheese> Colin[pi] no.. heard of it
2605: [21:29:19] <UncleCheese> just surprised to hear of it happening at the residential level
2606: [21:29:22] <Pyromanik> you know the old stereotypical factory roofs? the |\|\|\ type ones?
2607: [21:29:28] <UncleCheese> it's a great theory
2608: [21:29:29] <Colin[pi]> UncleCheese: ah k, yeah man it's happening all over :\
2609: [21:29:33] <UncleCheese> i'm just not sure there's any copper in our house
2610: [21:29:42] <Colin[pi]> UncleCheese: not anymore
2611: [21:29:44] <Colin[pi]> ;)
2612: [21:29:46] <irogue_> haha
2613: [21:29:55] <zippy> lol
2614: [21:30:02] <UncleCheese> i mean, a copper gutter would be... like.. copper coloured, right?
2615: [21:30:02] <zippy> free copper removal
2616: [21:30:03] <Pyromanik> at the bottom point of the V shape ( \| ) there's internal guttering. Thieves pulled up the iron enough to strip it all out of my old man's workplace.
2617: [21:30:07] <Colin[pi]> sorry I shouldn't joke.. because I feel rage on UC's behalf
2618: [21:30:18] <Pyromanik> UncleCheese, well, not if it's painted, no.
2619: [21:30:23] <UncleCheese> hmm
2620: [21:30:25] <antmas> UncleCheese: well, the copper could be painted
2621: [21:30:26] <Pyromanik> or has some other kind of treatment.
2622: [21:30:31] <antmas> or, just really old and worn
2623: [21:30:33] <Pyromanik> or is some other kind of valuable metel
2624: [21:30:35] <Pyromanik> metal*
2625: [21:30:47] <Pyromanik> yeh, could be more black, or something like that
2626: [21:30:52] <Pyromanik> tarnished
2627: [21:30:55] <UncleCheese> hmm
2628: [21:31:06] <Pyromanik> copper tarnishes naturally quite quickly
2629: [21:31:12] <UncleCheese> gosh, i'm pretty damn sure those gutters would be more in the aluminium category
2630: [21:31:20] <UncleCheese> but who knows.. never touched them
2631: [21:31:26] <Stomach> lick them
2632: [21:31:29] <UncleCheese> lolz
2633: [21:31:38] <Colin[pi]> gutters wouldn't be copper
2634: [21:31:42] <UncleCheese> oh
2635: [21:31:50] <Colin[pi]> but tubing and wiring, more than likely
2636: [21:32:00] <Pyromanik> I mean, this is tungsten, but you get the idea: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Wolfram_evaporated_crystals_and_1cm3_cube.jpg
2637: [21:32:23] * muskie9 is now known as _muskie9_
2638: [21:32:32] <Colin[pi]> pipes might look like this UC: http://i757.photobucket.com/albums/xx218/itsnotworkitsgardening/July%202011/IMGP2771.jpg
2639: [21:32:33] <zippy> tungsten reminds me of eve..
2640: [21:32:37] <UncleCheese> eh
2641: [21:32:38] <Colin[pi]> after many years of tarnishing
2642: [21:32:45] <UncleCheese> don't think i've seen any of that, but
2643: [21:32:51] <irogue_> Colin[pi]: there was actually a bunch of copper guttering used in NZ for a while, when copper was stupidly cheap
2644: [21:32:59] <Colin[pi]> irogue_: was there? hmm TIL
2645: [21:33:00] <UncleCheese> i wonder if they're robbing the house next door or something
2646: [21:33:02] <UncleCheese> and we're smelling that
2647: [21:33:04] <Colin[pi]> haven't seen any here
2648: [21:33:09] <Pyromanik> fuck your photobucket Colin[pi], get a real image hoster
2649: [21:33:17] <Colin[pi]> Pyromanik: not mine, blame google
2650: [21:33:18] <Colin[pi]> ;P
2651: [21:33:21] <UncleCheese> back in a bit
2652: [21:33:22] <Pyromanik> k
2653: [21:33:37] <irogue_> UncleCheese has gone to climb on his roof :P
2654: [21:33:40] <Colin[pi]> lol
2655: [21:33:42] <UncleCheese> thansk for the help.. gotta love crowdsourcing
2656: [21:33:46] <Pyromanik> mmhmm
2657: [21:34:02] <Pyromanik> might pay to get someone to look at those broken tiles anyway... and while they're at it...
2658: [21:34:12] <Pyromanik> (or get the landlord to get someone to... or whatever)
2659: [21:34:32] <Pyromanik> meanwhile, I guess I should release 3.0 versions of modules I got right?
2660: [21:34:33] <Pyromanik> ok
2661: [21:34:37] <irogue_> yep, thats what property managers are for :P
2662: [21:34:46] <Pyromanik> *sigh* quick job just became much longer
2663: [21:35:03] <UncleCheese> man, i would loooooove for this to be the homeowner's problem :D
2664: [21:35:16] <Pyromanik> UncleCheese, are you the homeowner?
2665: [21:35:21] <UncleCheese> no, no
2666: [21:35:30] <Pyromanik> if no, then yes, it is the homeowner's problem.
2667: [21:35:42] <Pyromanik> if yes, then sorry, but it's still the homeowner's problem :P
2668: [21:35:54] <UncleCheese> yeah
2669: [21:36:17] <irogue_> apparently my replacement Pebble cable is here o_O
2670: [21:36:18] * irogue_ goes hunting
2671: [21:36:38] * Pyromanik remembers he was busy ordering raspberry pi parts
2672: [21:36:43] <Colin[pi]> irogue_: cable? wasn't it the pebble itself that needed replacing?
2673: [21:37:08] <Pyromanik> pebble? WHY DOES A ROCK NEED A CABLE?
2674: [21:37:38] <kinglozzer> Motorola Pebl? http://static.trustedreviews.com/94/4182f8/7d89/2452-3.jpg
2675: [21:37:45] * UncleCheese quit (Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…)
2676: [21:38:05] <Colin[pi]> since we're on cables, I asked earlier but no one saw... has anyone had their lightning cable start to "yellow" near the connector?
2677: [21:38:12] <Colin[pi]> I think it's overheating
2678: [21:38:18] <Colin[pi]> possibly shorting :\
2679: [21:38:26] <Colin[pi]> in short, I'm going to die
2680: [21:39:44] * scpi quit (Quit: scpi)
2681: [21:40:33] * _muskie9_ quit (Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…)
2682: [21:41:15] <Pyromanik> so if I git tag then push, will it push tags too?
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2684: [21:41:26] <irogue_> Colin[pi]: apparently not
2685: [21:41:27] <Pyromanik> or is it like branching, where only the active branch gets pushed?
2686: [21:42:02] <irogue_> Pyromanik: git push --tags
2687: [21:42:19] <Stomach> kinglozzer - the bigfork website reminds me of http://cooltext.com/ :D
2688: [21:42:30] <simon_w|work> Colin[pi], my work one is fine
2689: [21:42:36] <Pyromanik> Colin[pi], I had a scaletrix transformer that started doing that once... on the bit between the wall and the transformer :< ie, GLOWING WHILE THE SWITCH WAS ON
2690: [21:42:41] <Colin[pi]> oooh
2691: [21:42:43] <Colin[pi]> that can
2692: [21:42:48] <Colin[pi]> that can't be good
2693: [21:42:56] <Pyromanik> nah, cut the cord on that one :P
2694: [21:42:59] <Pyromanik> literally.
2695: [21:43:19] <Pyromanik> Which is sad, because scaletrix is the bombdiggity
2696: [21:43:24] <Pyromanik> eh kinglozzer
2697: [21:43:30] <irogue_> Colin[pi]: legit cable?
2698: [21:43:34] * Pyromanik wonders if you can still buy it
2699: [21:43:46] <Pyromanik> I think I've seen shops advertising it around England somewhere
2700: [21:43:47] <Colin[pi]> irogue_: on my third legit cable
2701: [21:44:16] <Pyromanik> urgh, scalextric
2702: [21:44:21] <Pyromanik> actually, apparently
2703: [21:44:22] <irogue_> Colin[pi]: same device and/or power brick? if the cables keep fucking up, I'd suggest one of them might be the issue
2704: [21:44:28] <simon_w|work> irogue_, so, how's mooman this morning? :p
2705: [21:44:36] <Pyromanik> haha, yeah!
2706: [21:44:46] <irogue_> simon_w|work: idk, hasn't talked to me :P
2707: [21:44:49] <Pyromanik> lol
2708: [21:45:03] <Colin[pi]> irogue_: mm that's a good point, same brick I think.. genuine apple though
2709: [21:45:14] <Pyromanik> irogue_, and if I branch instead of tag?
2710: [21:45:24] <irogue_> Colin[pi]: even genuine apple bricks have issues occasionally
2711: [21:45:32] <Pyromanik> or just don't bother and you motherfuckers can backport :P
2712: [21:45:34] <Colin[pi]> mm I might stop by the apple store today for a chat
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2714: [21:45:44] <irogue_> I'm still on my first lightning cable for my iPad mini (bought when they came out)
2715: [21:45:48] <kinglozzer> Haha, Stomach, wish I'd seen that before building it! ;)
2716: [21:45:54] <Colin[pi]> irogue_: hmmmm
2717: [21:46:22] <kinglozzer> Pyromanik: AWWW YEAH
2718: [21:46:24] <Stomach> kinglozzer - _every_ website I made before I was 15 had flaming text headers
2719: [21:46:34] <irogue_> second apple brick though, the first started squealing a month or so ago when I had used a dodgy ripoff microusb cable in it
2720: [21:47:11] <kinglozzer> [22:45] Colin[pi]: mm I might stop by the apple store today for a chat
2721: [21:47:12] <irogue_> Stomach: a couple of days I was Internet Archiving some of the old sites I did when I was that age
2722: [21:47:21] <kinglozzer> Don't! You'll walk out $500 worse off
2723: [21:47:35] <Colin[pi]> kinglozzer: already bought an ipad this week :P
2724: [21:47:37] <irogue_> *couple of days ago
2725: [21:47:43] <Colin[pi]> irogue_: check this out: http://i.imgur.com/LH2XrwJ.jpg
2726: [21:47:55] <Colin[pi]> (one on the left is dead)
2727: [21:47:58] <antmas> wholey fuck
2728: [21:48:02] <Colin[pi]> other one is dying
2729: [21:48:09] <irogue_> Colin[pi]: maybe you just have grubby fingers :P
2730: [21:48:10] <kinglozzer> Colin[pi]: My iPhone cable has _none_ of that outer coating left on it
2731: [21:48:24] <Colin[pi]> irogue_: nope it's getting hot at that spot :P ;)
2732: [21:48:29] <irogue_> lol
2733: [21:48:33] <antmas> how they hell is it generating so much heat?
2734: [21:48:44] <antmas> or are those coatings just shit house in general?
2735: [21:48:50] <irogue_> those coatings are shithouse
2736: [21:49:18] <Colin[pi]> antmas: dunno something fucky is going on
2737: [21:50:08] <JeremyRoundill> They do have a fair bit of juice running through them.
2738: [21:50:11] <JeremyRoundill> Thin wires too.
2739: [21:50:20] <JeremyRoundill> 5V @ 1.5-2A
2740: [21:50:36] <JeremyRoundill> That's up to 10W.
2741: [21:50:39] <Colin[pi]> yeah when I replaced that first one, I touched it near the connector and it was HOT
2742: [21:50:45] <irogue_> yeah, ipads take a lot of juice
2743: [21:50:49] <Colin[pi]> that's when I saw the coating was broken
2744: [21:51:03] <Colin[pi]> so it might have been shorting
2745: [21:51:36] <JeremyRoundill> Could be a short if there's some crap in the plug.
2746: [21:51:47] <Pyromanik> aww shit son, they changed the connectors! http://www.scalextric.com/converter-straight-x-2.html
2747: [21:51:52] <JeremyRoundill> Shouldn't happen so much with the new plugs though.
2748: [21:52:31] <zippy> Maybe UncleCheese should host the next hackaton and everyone brings a bat
2749: [21:52:40] <Pyromanik> hahaha
2750: [21:52:43] <Colin[pi]> zippy: lol
2751: [21:52:50] <Colin[pi]> whackathon
2752: [21:55:22] * Kingy is now known as Kingy[a]
2753: [21:56:15] * kinglozzer sleeps
2754: [21:56:20] * kinglozzer quit ()
2755: [21:58:10] <Pyromanik> :O it works irogue_ https://github.com/NightJar/ssrigging-colourpickerfield/tree/3.0
2756: [21:58:30] <Pyromanik> 2ez, hit the include tags tickbox, job done :>
2757: [21:59:12] * Zopiclone has joined #silverstripe
2758: [21:59:21] <Zopiclone> hello
2759: [22:00:00] <micmania1> Pyromanik: screenshots or lies
2760: [22:00:03] <zippy> Zopiclone: hi
2761: [22:00:11] <Pyromanik> micmania1, eh?
2762: [22:00:24] <Ryan-Toast> I need to seperate my colorfield module from other biz
2763: [22:00:26] <micmania1> screenshots in your readme!
2764: [22:00:30] <Pyromanik> too hard man
2765: [22:00:37] <Pyromanik> just wanna get this shit off my back
2766: [22:00:47] <Pyromanik> A few of them could use a lot of love too
2767: [22:00:55] * guci0 quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2768: [22:01:05] <Pyromanik> well, maybe not a lot, but the more I think about things them more I'm all 'hmm...'
2769: [22:01:06] <Zopiclone> i am having problems with template files even after flushing :( are they different when used in the admin area?
2770: [22:01:11] <zippy> https://github.com/heyday/silverstripe-colorpalette I used was nice
2771: [22:01:19] <Pyromanik> Zopiclone,yes.
2772: [22:01:26] <Pyromanik> flush=all, not flush=1
2773: [22:01:36] <micmania1> flush=all == flush=1
2774: [22:01:44] <Pyromanik> micmania1, then it's a bug.
2775: [22:01:49] <Pyromanik> admin?flush
2776: [22:01:51] <Pyromanik> will fix
2777: [22:01:52] <Pyromanik> though
2778: [22:01:54] <Pyromanik> Zopiclone,
2779: [22:01:56] <Pyromanik> ^^
2780: [22:02:22] <Zopiclone> still no go
2781: [22:02:29] <Pyromanik> then you broke it :<
2782: [22:02:36] <Zopiclone> can i give you a login?
2783: [22:02:47] <Pyromanik> no
2784: [22:02:50] <Pyromanik> i'm gonig to bed!
2785: [22:02:54] <Zopiclone> lol ok
2786: [22:02:58] <micmania1> Zopiclone: what are you trying to do?
2787: [22:03:13] <Zopiclone> im trying to send an email after clicking a button in the admin
2788: [22:03:16] <micmania1> Templates in your theme won’t be picked up in admin - they have to be part of a module.
2789: [22:03:27] <Zopiclone> buth when i click it for some reason it cant find the template
2790: [22:03:28] <micmania1> Themes are disabled in the cms.
2791: [22:04:21] * Kingy[a] is now known as Kingy
2792: [22:04:57] <Colin[pi]> nice of you to join us Kingy
2793: [22:05:05] <Kingy> :)
2794: [22:05:08] <Kingy> just had to move the PC
2795: [22:05:18] <Kingy> put the cricket on the big TV for the peeps :)
2796: [22:05:28] <zippy> Kingy: good man! have a beer
2797: [22:05:43] <Kingy> someone did mention that
2798: [22:05:59] <Zopiclone> Thankyou that worked
2799: [22:06:05] <zippy> I have FooController.php and it will use Foo.ss layout, and Foo.ss template if there is one, otherwise fall back to Page.ss. Is it possible to tell override this, so it will use a different layout?
2800: [22:06:19] <zippy> different template I mean
2801: [22:06:27] <Zopiclone> as long as its in a module you can overide it
2802: [22:06:29] <zippy> I want to use Foo.ss layout, and Bar.ss tempalte
2803: [22:06:31] <Zopiclone> ?
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2805: [22:08:13] <micmania1> zippy: $controller->renderWith()
2806: [22:08:24] <zippy> micmania1: I don't want to put that in my index
2807: [22:08:32] <zippy> micmania1: looks like I can set $this->templates = 'Bar'
2808: [22:08:47] <micmania1> yeah, you can hardcode the template
2809: [22:08:49] <zippy> $this->template rather
2810: [22:08:58] <micmania1> or overload getViewer()
2811: [22:10:24] <zippy> I think $this->template is more ideal
2812: [22:10:30] <zippy> since getView checks for it anyway
2813: [22:10:44] <ss23> irogue_: Just because I use Gentoo doesn't mean I argue for it
2814: [22:11:01] <ss23> It's annoying how people assume that if you use something you're a fanboy of it :(
2815: [22:11:14] <ss23> I just use it cause it's good for my very particular use case
2816: [22:16:20] <jordank> hi guys
2817: [22:16:41] <jordank> what's the best way to override the text for something defined in framework/lang/en.yml
2818: [22:16:47] <Pyromanik> joy, fun with git tag
2819: [22:16:52] <jordank> specifically, i want to change the text of the "lost my password" link on the login form
2820: [22:17:04] <Pyromanik> idk. Seems like too much work, but git branch is too heavy for what I want.
2821: [22:17:05] <Pyromanik> idk.
2822: [22:17:54] <Pyromanik> I like the idea that bugfixes can go to a 3.0 branch, but there's always a danger of deviation from the main head (master/3.1)
2823: [22:18:06] <Pyromanik> idk idk
2824: [22:18:09] <Pyromanik> bedtime instead.
2825: [22:18:47] <Ryan-Toast> antmas: you do lots of city council sites, right?
2826: [22:19:14] <Pyromanik> ss23, because usually that's the case. ESPECIALLY with Gentoo.
2827: [22:19:31] <ss23> lol
2828: [22:19:42] <ss23> you're right, but I still resent it, given I'm a fanboy of nothing
2829: [22:19:54] <ss23> Except Google I guess, but I prefer to think of that as supporting the best product
2830: [22:19:58] <Pyromanik> yep, I can understand that. I'm a fanboy of hating on fanboys.
2831: [22:20:12] <Pyromanik> ss23, you just described a fanboy.
2832: [22:20:15] <Pyromanik> bl2u
2833: [22:20:19] <Pyromanik> ciao!
2834: [22:26:58] <TF35Strike> Hi guys how's it going? I've just awoken this morning to find that 3 old silverstripe sites I look after are having issues I think they are on the 2.4 framework still, I haven't worked in silverstripe in a few years just wondering if anyone can help, should I be looking at some error logs or? The pages slowly load but all of the links/images are broken on each of the sites and help would be great
2835: [22:27:32] <zippy> Kingy: nice catch eh
2836: [22:27:49] <antmas> Ryan-Toast: not lots, but what's up?
2837: [22:28:02] <zippy> TF35Strike: error log? you tried flushing? they been hit with spam or something?
2838: [22:28:09] <Ryan-Toast> antmas: just wondering do they all use the same software?
2839: [22:28:10] <Kingy> haha zippy was just thinking that they need to bring back the tui catch comp
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2841: [22:28:21] <antmas> TF35Strike: I would check to see if any permissions have changed as well
2842: [22:28:51] <antmas> Ryan-Toast: depends, but typically most councils use different software vendors for the same functionality etc
2843: [22:29:11] <Ryan-Toast> antmas: Ah, right. All of them are so out dated. Seems like a cash cow waiting to be pushed over.
2844: [22:29:32] <TF35Strike> hi zippy I can't login to the admin I get This server could not prove that it is mysite.com.au; its security certificate is from *.myserver.com. This may be caused by a misconfiguration or an attacker intercepting your connection.
2845: [22:29:33] <TF35Strike> Proceed to mysite.com.au (unsafe)
2846: [22:29:33] <TF35Strike> NET::ERR_CERT_COMMON_NAME_INVALID
2847: [22:29:51] <antmas> Ryan-Toast: which bits of software are you referring to though?
2848: [22:29:52] <zippy> TF35Strike: you can still login
2849: [22:30:06] <Kingy> TF35Strike: sounds like the ssl cert has expired?
2850: [22:30:12] <Ryan-Toast> antmas: just their websites.
2851: [22:30:21] <zippy> TF35Strike: that would also prevent your assets loading if your ssl has expired
2852: [22:30:36] <antmas> Ryan-Toast: which ones in particular?
2853: [22:30:42] <Ryan-Toast> antmas: all of them.
2854: [22:30:47] <zippy> TF35Strike: If you look at your network tab when you load that front end, you'll see things like - chrome has prevented xxxxx.com from loading insecure content
2855: [22:31:01] <antmas> Ryan-Toast: I've seen some that are pretty spiffy, like the Wellington City one
2856: [22:31:16] <Kingy> antmas: didn't that cost like 3mil or something
2857: [22:31:24] <antmas> Kingy: I heard 10mil
2858: [22:31:31] <Ryan-Toast> antmas: http://www.aucklandcouncil.govt.nz/EN/Pages/default.aspx
2859: [22:31:44] <Kingy> 1.7mil according to google
2860: [22:32:20] <Ryan-Toast> Kingy: I’m sorry, what?
2861: [22:32:21] <antmas> Ryan-Toast: thats an old sharepoint site
2862: [22:32:25] <Ryan-Toast> I’ll do it for 1 mil :D
2863: [22:32:38] <Kingy> +1
2864: [22:32:43] <Kingy> would do it for 250k
2865: [22:33:07] <zippy> 240k
2866: [22:33:09] <Ryan-Toast> Kingy: stop lowballing me :P
2867: [22:33:38] <Kingy> you've gotta wonder if they put it up for tender
2868: [22:33:45] <Kingy> because surely someone would've come in under that
2869: [22:33:47] <antmas> they do
2870: [22:34:08] <Kingy> http://wellington.govt.nz/
2871: [22:34:11] <TF35Strike> Hi zippy it just says establishing connection, ssl definatley hasn't expired all other sites on the server apart from silverstripe ones are working no worries
2872: [22:34:12] <Kingy> I mean, it's a nice website
2873: [22:34:17] <Kingy> but it's not anything overly fancy is it
2874: [22:34:22] <antmas> most of the charge would probably be all the integration with their internal software
2875: [22:34:30] <Ryan-Toast> antmas: no doubt.
2876: [22:34:37] <Ryan-Toast> and localisation and whatnot
2877: [22:34:38] <zippy> TF35Strike: then, the wrong ssl is being used for the website... ERR_CERT_COMMON_NAME_INVALID
2878: [22:34:43] <antmas> Ryan-Toast: yeh
2879: [22:34:51] <Ryan-Toast> antmas: and meetings.
2880: [22:34:58] <antmas> Ryan-Toast: always with the meetings
2881: [22:34:59] <Ryan-Toast> 100000 meetings with all the people.
2882: [22:35:00] <zippy> TF35Strike: talk to your hosting providor to sort out hte ssl issue
2883: [22:35:03] <Colin[pi]> http://wellington.govt.nz/ was 10 mil?
2884: [22:35:07] <Kingy> Colin[pi]: 1.7
2885: [22:35:11] <antmas> Colin[pi]: apparenltly
2886: [22:35:12] <Colin[pi]> oh, but still damn
2887: [22:35:36] <Kingy> yes
2888: [22:35:39] <Kingy> it;s nothing but content
2889: [22:35:56] <Ryan-Toast> Kingy: there are quite a few features http://wellington.govt.nz/do-it-online
2890: [22:36:03] <Colin[pi]> oh it's sitecore?
2891: [22:36:04] <antmas> I know that the marlborough district council paid 250k for a local intranet and I've built the same thing with more custom stuff
2892: [22:37:17] <Ryan-Toast> antmas: we’ll start our own council website company. With blackjack, and hookers!
2893: [22:37:34] <Colin[pi]> in fact, forget the blackjack!
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2895: [22:38:21] <antmas> Ryan-Toast: win
2896: [22:38:40] <TF35Strike> hi zippy I'm talking to my hosts at the moment they say that the server is all good ssl fine
2897: [22:39:00] <antmas> winning a tender would be awesome, but I would hate to win one where the integration means using software that is fucking ancient and aweful - like most councils have
2898: [22:39:00] <zippy> TF35Strike: if it's fine... why are you getting ERR_CERT_COMMON_NAME_INVALID ? that is not a silverstripe issue...
2899: [22:39:21] <jordank> what's the best way to override the text for something defined in framework/lang/en.yml
2900: [22:39:26] <jordank> specifically, i want to change the text of the "lost my password" link on the login form
2901: [22:39:29] <TF35Strike> that comes up when I log into the backend /admin login screen
2902: [22:39:53] <zippy> TF35Strike: whats the url of the site, you can pm me if you like
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2904: [22:41:25] <zippy> antmas: and supporting IE6 since the council is still using it
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2907: [22:41:28] <travis-ci> Change view : https://github.com/silverstripe/silverstripe-framework/compare/dc919dc3d916...93b84358c887
2908: [22:41:28] <travis-ci> Build details : http://travis-ci.org/silverstripe/silverstripe-framework/builds/38547920
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2911: [22:43:14] <antmas> zippy: yeah that too
2912: [22:43:26] <antmas> M$ all the things
2913: [22:48:15] <zippy> Kingy: god damn!
2914: [22:48:26] <Kingy> ah gee
2915: [22:48:27] <Kingy> z
2916: [22:48:38] <Kingy> Anderson for the fastest century
2917: [22:48:40] <Kingy> calling it now
2918: [22:50:40] <Kingy> orrr
2919: [22:50:42] <Kingy> 1st ball duck
2920: [22:50:58] <antmas> is there a stream somewhere Kingy zippy ?
2921: [22:51:11] <Kingy> im just watching it on skygo
2922: [22:51:13] <Kingy> but im sure there is
2923: [22:51:43] <Kingy> http://www.reddit.com/r/Cricket/comments/2jtid6/match_thread_new_zealand_v_south_africa_at_mount/
2924: [22:51:46] <antmas> you sky owners
2925: [22:51:46] <Kingy> few streams there
2926: [22:51:56] <antmas> up on your golden chairs
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2928: [22:51:59] <antmas> ;)
2929: [22:52:59] <Kingy> :)
2930: [22:53:50] <zippy> need taylor and williamson eh
2931: [22:53:58] <zippy> going down like the titanic
2932: [22:54:45] <Kingy> yeah well ideally they'd be there if not injured
2933: [22:54:52] <Kingy> also they should just deal with ryder and play him
2934: [22:54:59] * muskie9 is now known as _muskie9_
2935: [22:55:18] <simon_w|work> irogue_, still no "official" response. I'm disappoint :p
2936: [22:55:33] <simon_w|work> Maybe they're starting to realise just how annoyed parts of the community are
2937: [22:55:47] <simon_w|work> Where that part is more than just me
2938: [22:56:54] <zippy> simon_w|work: yea.. na.. client meetings :)
2939: [23:00:40] <zippy> If you go to http://example.com/ and the base tag of the page is https://example.com/ yet you are using <% base_tag %> - what would cause that (ss 2.4 site)
2940: [23:02:52] <ss23> probably some kind of enforcessl or something configuration
2941: [23:02:56] <ss23> someone setting the base URL somewhere
2942: [23:03:19] <zippy> TF35Strike: ^
2943: [23:07:10] <antmas> watch out UncleCheese , you burgler might be a stalker ;) http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/62568427/us-woman-rescued-from-chimney.html
2944: [23:08:56] <Colin[pi]> antmas: jesus antmas poor UC will be a nervous wreck :P
2945: [23:09:47] <antmas> haha
2946: [23:10:29] <antmas> advertising my car to sell to students
2947: [23:10:39] <antmas> within minutes I get like 1234144 emails with offers
2948: [23:10:50] <ss23> You have some uselessly expensive car, right?
2949: [23:11:00] <antmas> nope
2950: [23:11:08] <antmas> just selling it for waaaaaay cheap
2951: [23:11:52] <UncleCheese> oh good lord
2952: [23:12:06] <UncleCheese> i really hope this copper theory pans out
2953: [23:13:36] <antmas> zippy: did you see any checkpoints this weekend? with all the hells angels stuff?
2954: [23:13:42] <antmas> I saw nothing :O
2955: [23:13:53] <zippy> UncleCheese: ring the land lord and tell em, might motivate them to get lights in today
2956: [23:13:59] <zippy> antmas: no, had bday party
2957: [23:17:59] <Kingy> zippy: this latham kid is good
2958: [23:18:06] <zippy> so far
2959: [23:18:23] <zippy> wonder if they going to do the tui catch a 6. was a good comp
2960: [23:18:46] <zippy> Kingy: those kids in red look like labour supporters
2961: [23:18:59] <Kingy> rofl
2962: [23:19:09] <Kingy> lol @ Ian Smith saying there should be a bunch of kids there
2963: [23:19:12] <Kingy> fuck school
2964: [23:19:16] <zippy> work experience :)
2965: [23:19:30] <Kingy> haha if only thats how it worked
2966: [23:23:42] <UncleCheese> need some more crowdsourcing
2967: [23:25:08] <UncleCheese> TV station idea isn't likely to work for the SS learn section
2968: [23:25:10] <antmas> how I feel when I get put in charge of leading a meeting http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--NEM9KEUh--/kbdsdkkpnpmavpcc9083.gif
2969: [23:25:21] <Kingy> UncleCheese: why not
2970: [23:26:39] <UncleCheese> thinking more like an online university
2971: [23:26:51] <UncleCheese> lots of fun db relationships between courses
2972: [23:27:02] <ss23> what the fuck is that antmas
2973: [23:27:02] <UncleCheese> you have a defined need for roles.. teacher/student/admin
2974: [23:27:09] <UncleCheese> buy your books online
2975: [23:27:13] <UncleCheese> anyway
2976: [23:27:14] <antmas> ss23: :P
2977: [23:27:20] <zippy> UncleCheese: TV show has many actors, has director....
2978: [23:27:23] <UncleCheese> we want the fake university to teach something fun
2979: [23:27:33] <UncleCheese> zippy i know.. but the reaction to it was that it felt a little dated
2980: [23:27:49] <UncleCheese> so what could the university teach?
2981: [23:27:59] <zippy> UncleCheese: TV show production!
2982: [23:28:00] <zippy> :D
2983: [23:28:05] <UncleCheese> ha
2984: [23:28:10] <antmas> where to find burgerfuel
2985: [23:28:12] <UncleCheese> not code.. that's my only requirement
2986: [23:28:20] <UncleCheese> that would be the meta-est meta ever
2987: [23:28:20] <Kingy> bartending
2988: [23:28:23] <UncleCheese> oooh!
2989: [23:28:30] <UncleCheese> online bartending course
2990: [23:28:38] <antmas> MIXOLOGY
2991: [23:28:47] <Kingy> be good to know how to make some decent cocktails
2992: [23:29:58] <zippy> was there a CMS option to force ssl in 2.4?
2993: [23:32:12] <Stomach> zippy - yep
2994: [23:32:15] <Stomach> Director::forceSSL()
2995: [23:32:18] <Stomach> I think
2996: [23:32:20] <zippy> CMS option
2997: [23:32:22] <zippy> tick box
2998: [23:32:25] <Stomach> oh
2999: [23:32:46] * Stomach doesn't read
3000: [23:34:29] <UncleCheese> only works in live mode, i think
3001: [23:34:43] <UncleCheese> and it optionally takes a regular expression as an argument
3002: [23:36:23] <camfindlay> Can it teach how to BBQ? People can submit their open sauce recipes…
3003: [23:36:36] <UncleCheese> hahaha
3004: [23:36:39] <UncleCheese> open sauce
3005: [23:36:45] <UncleCheese> good title for the site
3006: [23:37:03] <UncleCheese> i actually like the idea of an online culinary school
3007: [23:38:09] <camfindlay> Open Sauce University
3008: [23:38:14] <camfindlay> i like it haha
3009: [23:38:57] <UncleCheese> yeah, that's good
3010: [23:39:03] <camfindlay> Maybe sminnee can post his bacon jam recipe
3011: [23:39:06] <UncleCheese> mmm
3012: [23:39:39] <zippy> Kingy: dang
3013: [23:40:06] <zippy> man he's well out
3014: [23:41:06] <simon_w|work> Bacon jam? Cause jam's not bad enough for you already :p
3015: [23:41:12] <spronk> k
3016: [23:41:21] <spronk> who sent me a dildo
3017: [23:41:21] <UncleCheese> who said bacon is bad for you?
3018: [23:42:11] <antmas> WHAT IS THIS ABOUT BACON JAM
3019: [23:42:20] <camfindlay> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2T_obaO46Bo
3020: [23:43:04] <antmas> lol
3021: [23:43:14] <antmas> spronk: lolwut
3022: [23:44:19] <spronk> ikr
3023: [23:44:28] <spronk> courier dropped off a dildo. in a courier bag.
3024: [23:45:00] <antmas> spronk: wtf
3025: [23:45:05] <antmas> pics or lies
3026: [23:46:38] * _muskie9_ is now known as muskie9
3027: [23:46:56] <spronk> finding camera
3028: [23:47:40] <spronk> phone!
3029: [23:47:46] <antmas> haha
3030: [23:47:54] <spronk> why do i never think of this
3031: [23:49:29] <antmas> I actually walked into my gfs work to use the phone recently while I was in town
3032: [23:49:33] <Colin[pi]> spronk: http://i.imgur.com/TefD1FP.jpg
3033: [23:49:36] <antmas> who uses a phone as a phone?
3034: [23:50:27] <antmas> lunch time :D
3035: [23:52:43] <Ryan-Toast> camfindlay: How do people have kids like that?
3036: [23:53:00] <timezone> haha
3037: [23:53:31] <camfindlay> entitlement complexes
3038: [23:53:42] <camfindlay> still… BACON!!!
3039: [23:54:11] <Ryan-Toast> camfindlay: If I talked back like that as a kid I would have gotten the shit kicked out of me.
3040: [23:54:31] <Colin[pi]> little bastard
3041: [23:55:01] <ss23> lol
3042: [23:55:04] <Ryan-Toast> Colin[pi]: http://www.reddit.com/r/punchablefaces
3043: [23:55:10] <ss23> The American accent is so... like
3044: [23:55:23] <Ryan-Toast> ss23: awful?
3045: [23:55:41] <ss23> I realise it doesn't matter, but it makes people sound stupid
3046: [23:55:44] <ss23> The Southern accent, I mean
3047: [23:55:51] <Ryan-Toast> I know what you mean.
3048: [23:56:16] <camfindlay> I think I need to get something with bacon for lunch after all this
3049: [23:56:22] <ss23> I mean, logically, I know it doesn't have a correlation (beyond the standard infleunce that socioeconomic factors have on thingsl ike that), but still....
3050: [23:56:43] <camfindlay> back on the original topic… shall we go with Open Sauce Uni UncleCheese?
3051: [23:56:56] <UncleCheese> i'm down
3052: [23:57:21] <ss23> Uni has strong negative connetations among developers
3053: [23:57:23] <camfindlay> can IRC peeps submit there favourite BBQ sauce recipes too? :P
3054: [23:58:01] <UncleCheese> i need to rewrite the specs
3055: [23:58:11] <UncleCheese> already a story card for it, so we're a bit behind :)
3056: [23:58:39] <camfindlay> A story card for bacon?

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