#silverstripe IRC Log

IRC log for 19 October 2014

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1: [00:03:45] <irogue> UncleCheese: yep, BP have good pies
2: [00:03:55] <UncleCheese> i'll have to try one
3: [00:04:07] <UncleCheese> every one i've had so far as been abysmal
4: [00:04:18] <UncleCheese> though my son devours them
5: [00:04:23] <UncleCheese> the New World pies are his fave
6: [00:04:34] <irogue> same with every pie i've tried in the auckland CBD - absolutely horrid
7: [00:04:39] <UncleCheese> Countdown pies are hideous
8: [00:04:59] <irogue> from memory countdown import frozen pies from australia
9: [00:05:12] <irogue> cos countdown import everything from australia (being an australian supermarket)
10: [00:06:39] <irogue> best pies i've ever had were from here http://www.seaviewmeats.co.nz/
11: [00:07:03] <UncleCheese> countdown is aussie?!
12: [00:07:30] <irogue> UncleCheese: yes, very much so. it's just the NZ brand name for Woolworths
13: [00:07:43] <irogue> http://www.woolworths.com.au/wps/wcm/connect/webSite/Woolworths/
14: [00:07:45] <irogue> look familiar? :P
15: [00:07:59] <UncleCheese> whoa!
16: [00:08:03] <UncleCheese> but we love countdown
17: [00:08:14] <UncleCheese> tried doing to new world this week and we ran out of money by Tuesday
18: [00:09:06] * Kingy[a] is now known as Kingy
19: [00:09:27] <irogue> there's two supermarket companies, Countdown and Foodstuffs. Countdown is 100% owned and run by Woolworths Australia. Foodstuffs is a co-operative - each store is independently owned, and all of the store owners jointly own the overall company
20: [00:09:49] <irogue> Foodstuffs run Pak N Save, New World and Four Square
21: [00:09:56] <UncleCheese> what?!!
22: [00:10:11] <UncleCheese> New World and Pak N Save is the same owner?
23: [00:10:20] <irogue> well, same parent company, but every store has a different owner
24: [00:10:33] <UncleCheese> crazy
25: [00:10:37] <irogue> the brands obviously target different ends of the market
26: [00:10:45] <UncleCheese> yeah, definitely
27: [00:11:29] <irogue> woolworths used to have 3 brands here too (Woolworths, Countdown and Foodtown) but they merged them all into Countdown. the three used to target different markets, but countdown just went for the middle
28: [00:13:24] <irogue> but yeah. due to being a co-op, every NW and PNS store is priced differently (except for mailer or tv specials which are applied across the region)
29: [00:13:55] <simon_w> It also means that NW stores tend to have different speciality stock
30: [00:13:59] <irogue> yep
31: [00:14:55] <irogue> my local New World is in the mall, so it's the nicest New World in the area. it's similarly priced to Countdown
32: [00:16:06] <irogue> if I go further down the wrong side of the tracks to Clendon New World, it's ugly as sin inside but *far* cheaper than countdown - almost PNS prices
33: [00:16:58] <ss23> PNS?
34: [00:17:29] <irogue> pak n save
35: [00:17:38] <ss23> oic
36: [00:18:01] <ss23> FUCK
37: [00:18:10] <ss23> server 148mb of free space
38: [00:18:13] <ss23> I need double that for a deployment
39: [00:18:14] <ss23> :/
40: [00:18:22] <irogue> ruh-roh
41: [00:18:52] <ss23> the mysql binlogs are taking up lots of space
42: [00:18:56] <ss23> idk what is best to do
43: [00:18:58] <irogue> did a deploy the other day. aborted partway through. checked disk space, 10KB left
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45: [00:19:01] <ss23> I can rm -rf the old releases dir and hope it works :/
46: [00:21:00] <irogue> http://cdn2.newworld.co.nz/media/1358766/clendon_2.jpg
47: [00:21:01] <simon_w> ss23, are you using replication?
48: [00:21:06] <irogue> the nasty Clendon New World
49: [00:21:17] <ss23> yeah, simon_w
50: [00:21:30] <simon_w> ss23, so why is MySQL on the same server as the deploy one?
51: [00:21:46] <ss23> "as the deploy one"?
52: [00:21:52] <irogue> it doesn't have aisles either - the store is just one big long snake, you have to walk the whole way through even if you just want one thing
53: [00:21:52] <simon_w> The one you're deploying to
54: [00:23:46] <ss23> simon_w: Is there a reason it wouldn't be?
55: [00:23:56] <ss23> simon_w: oh uh, we replicate more than just the DB server
56: [00:24:05] <ss23> it's replicated to more than one DC, it's not just DB replication
57: [00:24:27] <simon_w> ss23, yeah, but it's easier to scale things if your web server is separate from your db server
58: [00:24:40] <simon_w> Also means your DB goes faster
59: [00:25:18] <ss23> I didn't design the arch for this, and people probably shouldn't be scaling much on this given the idea is "simple informational websites"
60: [00:25:59] * simon_w stops complaining about stupid architecture and goes back to playing LEGO The LEGO Movie
61: [00:26:19] <irogue> simon_w: question for you - what's your opinion on best way to share sessions across load-balanced instances?
62: [00:26:28] <ss23> irogue: obv its dynamodb
63: [00:26:29] <ss23> o/
64: [00:26:43] <simon_w> irogue, redis/memcache based sessions
65: [00:26:48] <irogue> good good
66: [00:26:52] <ss23> (for plebs)
67: [00:26:55] <irogue> just making sure you agree with Stig+Ingo rather than Hamish :P
68: [00:27:17] <simon_w> What's his idea?
69: [00:27:30] <irogue> guess
70: [00:27:39] * simon_w guesses something like rsync the session files
71: [00:28:04] <irogue> nope, store the whole session in cookie
72: [00:28:15] <simon_w> WTF?
73: [00:28:24] <irogue> ikr
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75: [00:28:44] * simon_w goes and changes his cookie to have MemberID: 1 in it
76: [00:28:48] <ss23> lol irogue
77: [00:29:03] <ss23> simon_w: Well, that criticism is invalid, given lots of things *do* that and they do it fine
78: [00:29:14] <ss23> It doesn't have to be insecure
79: [00:29:18] <ss23> But I think it's fucking retarded
80: [00:29:26] <irogue> yeah, it can be done securely, but it's also a fuckload of data to send with every request
81: [00:29:31] <ss23> mm
82: [00:29:36] <ss23> and if someone gets your key you're fucked
83: [00:29:45] <irogue> esp since we're not CDNing assets or anything
84: [00:30:19] <irogue> "plz give me this css file HERE IS THE ENTIRE SESSION. ok, next css file please HERE IS THE ENTIRE SESSION"
85: [00:31:09] <ss23> lol
86: [00:31:11] <ss23> yeah
87: [00:31:13] <simon_w> Oh man, it'll have to be base64 too
88: [00:31:17] <simon_w> ALL THE DATAS
89: [00:31:20] <irogue> yep
90: [00:31:34] <ss23> still, at least if you're on a project team you get the choice to say no to hamish
91: [00:31:44] <ss23> if you're doing opensource, you have to submi, and if you do infra, you have to submit :(
92: [00:32:08] <irogue> ss23: or complain to sam :P
93: [00:32:50] <ss23> depends on what it is, but that can sometimes be not super effective
94: [00:33:05] <irogue> also depends on who you are and how often you do it I guess
95: [00:33:17] <simon_w> Doesn't help with opensource stuff
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100: [00:44:13] <irogue> [13:37] ss23 is away: rl
101: [00:44:29] <irogue> who the fuck RLs? :P
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113: [01:17:06] <irogue> good afternoon Cheddam
114: [01:17:35] <Cheddam> irogue Greetings! Haven't shown my face around these parts for a little while :P
115: [01:19:17] <Cheddam> What's new?
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118: [01:27:36] <irogue> Cheddam: eh, not much. just been workin' far too much. wbu?
119: [01:29:44] <Cheddam> irogue: About the same, really :P Visiting the tron much these days?
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128: [02:11:16] <simon_w> EVERYTHING IS AWESOME
129: [02:13:23] <Kingy> simon_w I just watched that movie earlier lol
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131: [02:13:36] <simon_w> Kingy, I'm playing the game :)
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143: [04:03:44] <ss23> irogue: SOME UF US NEED TO RL OCCASIONALLY MAN
144: [04:13:39] <simon_w> THE INTERNET IS RL
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146: [04:48:35] <Zauberfisch> hey guys
147: [04:48:42] <Zauberfisch> how do you manage frontend dependencies?
148: [04:50:24] <Zauberfisch> especially interested in how ss ltd does it (ping ss23 irogue)
149: [05:25:57] <ss23> Zauberfisch: like... grunt n stuff?
150: [05:32:02] <Zauberfisch> like bower / npm / component / ...
151: [05:32:19] <Zauberfisch> the tool which you use to install javascript / css dependencies
152: [05:32:30] <Zauberfisch> I am currently trying bower
153: [05:32:36] <Zauberfisch> but I am not sure I am to happy with it
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155: [05:51:52] <Colin[pi]> ugh I always find front end form validation to be so hackish
156: [05:52:01] <Colin[pi]> as ss23 would say "LOL FRONT END"
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158: [05:54:16] <mirros> Hey all...just curious about the Form.php function saveInto...I used it a lot as it quickly save the post fields into my dataobject. however does is convert the data so it is sql safe?
159: [05:54:30] <Colin[pi]> mirros: pretty sure yes
160: [05:54:50] <Colin[pi]> mirros: the ORM should take care of that (please anyone else chime in if I'm wrong)
161: [05:54:51] <mirros> or do I need to santise the posted data before calling this function?
162: [05:55:13] <mirros> oh ok that would be great if it does so
163: [05:55:32] <simon_w> mirros, it doesn't, but the ->write() method does
164: [05:57:53] <mirros> simon_w: Do you remember off hand where in that function. I am looking at DataObject -> write() but am seeing $fieldObj->setValue($this->record[$fieldName], $this->record); for example
165: [05:58:18] <simon_w> mirros, does it matter?
166: [05:58:21] <Colin[pi]> prolly more lower level right simon_w?
167: [05:58:26] <simon_w> yup
168: [05:59:25] <mirros> simon_w: I guess not
169: [06:15:15] <Colin[pi]> ugh recaptcha is so shit now
170: [06:15:19] <Colin[pi]> well, more shit anyway
171: [06:26:06] <ss23> Isn't it ironic that we picked transcribing text for computers to do. Something they're reasonably good at all things considered, and we're reasonably bad at
172: [06:26:25] <Colin[pi]> mm lol
173: [06:26:53] <ss23> It's like a million forks when all you need is a pull request!
174: [06:26:56] <ss23> wait that's not quite right
175: [06:32:34] <Colin[pi]> oh dear: http://asset-3.soup.io/asset/7603/0907_371a.jpeg
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177: [06:36:44] * Colin[pi] waves at UncleCheese
178: [06:37:16] * UncleCheese wonders what the hell kiwis are thinking with these "spare rib" chips
179: [06:37:23] <Colin[pi]> spare rib chips?
180: [06:37:27] <UncleCheese> seriously
181: [06:37:30] <UncleCheese> what kind of flavour is that
182: [06:37:30] <Colin[pi]> as in chips flavoured as ribs?
183: [06:37:36] <Colin[pi]> dafuq
184: [06:40:10] <Colin[pi]> UncleCheese: we've had these in AU: http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-WzpBKeS2Wac/TmilEQE7NUI/AAAAAAAAD28/Oy-mC6ar8nE/s1600/sep11-01+029mod.jpg
185: [06:40:27] <UncleCheese> UGH!
186: [06:40:42] <Colin[pi]> also, yes really: http://resources2.news.com.au/images/2011/09/10/1226133/894562-vegemite-chips.jpg
187: [06:41:28] <Colin[pi]> smiths pls stahp: http://absoluteleigh.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/smithschips.jpg
188: [06:41:31] <Colin[pi]> srsly, stahp
189: [06:41:49] <spronk> o_O
190: [06:42:06] <spronk> wow
191: [06:42:07] <spronk> yosemite
192: [06:42:09] <spronk> is UUUGGGGGLLLLYYYYY
193: [06:42:25] <Colin[pi]> spronk: haven't pulled the trigger yet :\
194: [06:42:38] <spronk> it might look better on a retina mac
195: [06:42:39] <spronk> but
196: [06:42:40] <spronk> mine are not..
197: [06:42:40] <spronk> and
198: [06:42:43] <spronk> it looks HIDEOUS
199: [06:43:11] <spronk> everything got lighter too, which hurts usability
200: [06:43:12] <Colin[pi]> spronk: yeah but everyone is retina now, right? right?
201: [06:43:18] <UncleCheese> good lord, people
202: [06:43:43] <spronk> like.. ther's very little contrast between grey icons and white background etc
203: [06:43:54] <spronk> so is quite hard to see
204: [06:44:12] <spronk> and spotlight is just messed up
205: [06:44:15] <spronk> being in centre screen
206: [06:44:28] <Colin[pi]> centre screen? wtf?
207: [06:44:29] <spronk> yet still having a place in the menu bar
208: [06:44:37] <spronk> but that just opens this pseudowindow in the centre of the screen
209: [06:45:00] <Colin[pi]> can you move the window?
210: [06:45:03] <spronk> http://arstechnica.com/apple/2014/10/os-x-10-10/9/
211: [06:45:14] <spronk> if you can, i haven't figured out how
212: [06:45:19] <Colin[pi]> oh :\
213: [06:45:23] <spronk> its actually really annoying too
214: [06:45:40] <spronk> because it covers up what you're looking ast
215: [06:45:41] <spronk> -s
216: [06:45:47] <Colin[pi]> do you get the feeling that with some of the recent decisions by apple that Stevie is at 2,000 rpm in his tomb?
217: [06:46:09] <spronk> omfg yes.
218: [06:46:18] <spronk> i doubt this shit would have flown with steve.
219: [06:46:24] <spronk> i think the word is..
220: [06:46:25] <spronk> tasteless
221: [06:46:26] <spronk> :p
222: [06:46:44] <Colin[pi]> yeah the guy was a giant douche but he really knew what worked and what didnt
223: [06:47:45] <spronk> mm
224: [06:47:53] <spronk> helvetica as system font is nasty
225: [06:48:14] <spronk> looks like those linux trying-to-be-mac ui clones
226: [06:48:15] <Colin[pi]> the weight on this font looks a bit strong: http://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/spotlight-search@2x.png
227: [06:48:29] <Colin[pi]> but is at 2x I guess
228: [06:48:33] <spronk> also
229: [06:48:35] <spronk> real world problem
230: [06:48:41] <spronk> volume buttons no longer make noise!
231: [06:48:47] <Colin[pi]> wtf?
232: [06:48:51] <Colin[pi]> bug
233: [06:48:51] <Colin[pi]> ?
234: [06:48:52] <spronk> how am i meant to figure out how loud that is then!?
235: [06:48:54] <spronk> doesn't seem like it
236: [06:48:57] <spronk> is the same on two machines
237: [06:48:57] <Colin[pi]> :\
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239: [06:49:26] <Colin[pi]> apple what r u doin, apple, pls stahp
240: [06:51:00] <spronk> yeah pretty much
241: [06:51:05] <spronk> the lack of contrast is probably the biggest thing though
242: [06:51:15] <spronk> everything is really fucking white
243: [06:52:29] <Colin[pi]> can you tweak it at all?
244: [06:55:07] <spronk> hmm
245: [06:55:08] <spronk> i dno
246: [06:55:12] <spronk> looking into that now
247: [06:57:39] <Colin[pi]> spronk: apparently has "Increase Contrast" in Accessibility
248: [06:57:49] <Colin[pi]> (but that might be dramatically increase...)
249: [06:57:58] <spronk> yeah
250: [06:58:01] <spronk> it a bit hmm
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286: [15:36:59] <NobrainerWeb> Hi guys
287: [15:38:27] <NobrainerWeb> using _ss_environment and it’s working great locally, but on my staging server, silverstripe connects to the database, writing all the right stuff (tables created) but after build, the database is empty - no tables. Any ideas what’s wrong?
288: [15:39:31] <NobrainerWeb> Silverstripe actually creates the database if it’s not there, it’s just empty. If i manually import data, everything works fine
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306: [19:52:31] <sniperomicron> Hi, I am getting an internal server error when rebuilding the database or flushing the website on a fresh installation of version 3.1.6
307: [19:52:35] <sniperomicron> Any ideas why?
308: [19:53:43] <sniperomicron> Note: Hosted on Godaddy -> Plesk
309: [20:04:43] <simon_w> sniperomicron, enable dev mode
310: [20:04:59] <sniperomicron> I did, @simon_W
311: [20:05:16] <simon_w> So it's an Apache error page, not a SilverStripe one?
312: [20:05:58] <sniperomicron> Only appears when rebuilding the database tho.
313: [20:06:31] <sniperomicron> And clearing the cache in Chrome. Works in Firefox
314: [20:06:54] <sniperomicron> Well randomly in Firefox.
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316: [20:08:15] <Kingy> morning
317: [20:09:14] <sniperomicron> Evening
318: [20:09:23] <sniperomicron> (Timezones eh?)
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322: [20:17:14] <simon_w> sniperomicron, if it's an Apache 500, then check the error log in Plesk
323: [20:18:22] <sniperomicron> Forget all about that log. Thanks for the tip.
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330: [20:34:06] <sniperomicron> 2014-10-19 20:31:29 W3SVC1363 P3NWVPWEB027 184.xxx.xxx.xx GET /dev/build - 80 - xxx.xxx.xxx.25 HTTP/1.1 Mozilla/5.0+(Windows+NT+6.3;+WOW64;+rv:33.0)+Gecko/20100101+Firefox/33.0 PHPSESSID=faksijoae6ak7knelejdb2g4e2;+PastMember=1 - www.website.com 500 0 0 1675 403 9921
331: [20:34:33] <sniperomicron> Not much of a help ;(
332: [20:34:43] <simon_w> That's an access log, not an error log
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334: [20:35:30] <novaweb> Fellas, when using Requirements::script from the init function, can the script be included in the page in the HEAD tag as opposed to after body?
335: [20:36:11] <sniperomicron> Hmm.... No error logs to be found.
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337: [20:40:07] <Ryan-Toast> $15 p/h apparently http://silverstripers.com/
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340: [20:59:18] <UncleCheese> novaweb Requirements::set_write_js_to_body(false);
341: [21:02:52] <UncleCheese> Ryan-Toast they pay up to NZD $965 per month!
342: [21:03:14] <UncleCheese> fancy a career change?
343: [21:03:17] <Colin[pi]> moin moin
344: [21:03:20] <Ryan-Toast> UncleCheese: Their website seems fine, so I wonder what the massive catch is?
345: [21:03:32] <UncleCheese> they're in sri lanka
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347: [21:03:50] <UncleCheese> the best developer there makes the equivalent of 500 euro per MONTH
348: [21:03:59] <Ryan-Toast> UncleCheese: I don’t know anything about Sri Lanka
349: [21:04:22] <Ryan-Toast> Don’t they have a minimum wage or something?
350: [21:04:39] <Colin[pi]> lol minimum wage in Sri Lanka
351: [21:04:46] <UncleCheese> when you're only paying your staff $10,000 a year, you can charge $15/hour
352: [21:04:56] <UncleCheese> hahaha
353: [21:05:18] <UncleCheese> yeah, they have very strict policies on animal rights, too
354: [21:05:20] <Ryan-Toast> UncleCheese: sadforthem
355: [21:05:25] <UncleCheese> i guess
356: [21:05:31] <UncleCheese> i dunno where i stand on offshoring
357: [21:05:53] <Colin[pi]> UncleCheese: I lost a client recently who said dev in AU was too expensive
358: [21:05:57] <Colin[pi]> I'm like, k...
359: [21:06:00] <Colin[pi]> good luck with that
360: [21:06:00] <UncleCheese> it is
361: [21:06:11] <UncleCheese> compared with third world countries
362: [21:06:12] <Colin[pi]> well it is, but man I've heard some bad stories about mumbai specials
363: [21:06:23] <UncleCheese> but i have yet to meet someone who really came out ahead when all was said and done
364: [21:06:36] <Colin[pi]> get what you pay for, mostly
365: [21:06:41] <UncleCheese> the one company i knew of, back in the USA, had done an extensive amount of research before offshoring to romania
366: [21:06:53] <UncleCheese> he spent a month over there, visiting different firms
367: [21:06:57] <Colin[pi]> I have seen some super shit code from the sweatshop countries
368: [21:06:58] <UncleCheese> asking tough questions, etc
369: [21:07:04] * Kingy[a] is now known as Kingy
370: [21:07:13] <UncleCheese> and he finally found a place that can turn out great work for $20/hour or whatever and it worked out
371: [21:07:26] <Colin[pi]> mm
372: [21:07:29] <UncleCheese> but.. i dunno.. my experience is that everything gets taken super literally
373: [21:07:36] <Ryan-Toast> UncleCheese: I suppose it’s a moral thing for me.
374: [21:07:40] <UncleCheese> like things you didn't even know needed explaining have to be explained
375: [21:07:43] <Ryan-Toast> the old ethical dilemma.
376: [21:07:44] <UncleCheese> moral?
377: [21:07:45] <Colin[pi]> yeah
378: [21:08:01] <UncleCheese> what's more moral than keeping thousands of people above the poverty line?
379: [21:08:04] <Ryan-Toast> I want to save money buy supporting pretty uch slavery.
380: [21:08:09] <UncleCheese> it's not
381: [21:08:22] <novaweb> UncleCheese, thank you
382: [21:08:23] <UncleCheese> $15/hour in Sri Lanka? They're upper middle class, dude
383: [21:08:28] <Kingy> my mate just jumps on freelancer and gets cheap labour for database entry
384: [21:08:31] <Kingy> works out great for him
385: [21:09:05] <UncleCheese> the thing is, you can call it slave labour, but if it's not that, then it's nothing
386: [21:09:40] <UncleCheese> i get annoyed how americans will do anything to protect an american job, which demands and american salary to support the american "need" to have a 5 bedroom house and two SUVs
387: [21:09:54] <UncleCheese> in exchange for 10 overseas jobs that would keep people from starving
388: [21:10:44] <Colin[pi]> UncleCheese: oh it's no doubt that the american way of life is unsustainable
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390: [21:10:57] <Colin[pi]> but they will fight to the death to keep it that way :o
391: [21:11:29] <UncleCheese> Ryan-Toast median income in Sri Lanka is NZD $289.. these guys are making $935.. that's like making $250K in NZ
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393: [21:11:43] <Ryan-Toast> UncleCheese: can they live on that kind of $$?
394: [21:11:47] <Colin[pi]> fuck yes
395: [21:11:59] <UncleCheese> yeah, the median income is $300/month
396: [21:12:01] <Colin[pi]> that's a fortune for over there
397: [21:12:05] <Ryan-Toast> UncleCheese: Oh, right.
398: [21:12:09] <UncleCheese> that drives the cost of living WAY down
399: [21:12:25] <UncleCheese> let's look up some rentals in Sri Lanka :)
400: [21:12:26] <Ryan-Toast> UncleCheese: So that’s actually a decent pay package for them?
401: [21:12:35] <UncleCheese> it's beyond their wildest dreams
402: [21:12:43] <UncleCheese> like i said, it's the equivalent of $250K in NZ
403: [21:12:52] <UncleCheese> virtually 3 times the median income
404: [21:12:54] <Ryan-Toast> UncleCheese: Hmm, so if I went over there with like $20,000 I could live like a king?
405: [21:12:59] <UncleCheese> yes
406: [21:13:05] <UncleCheese> have you ever read the four hour work week?
407: [21:13:11] <UncleCheese> i haven't :)
408: [21:13:12] <Ryan-Toast> UncleCheese: Innnterrreesstttiiinng
409: [21:13:17] <UncleCheese> but, the idea is based on that
410: [21:13:17] <Ryan-Toast> UncleCheese: I haven’t, no.
411: [21:13:52] <UncleCheese> if you can work up a telecommuting gig, live in a South American or Southeast Asian country
412: [21:14:01] <UncleCheese> and earn income from a rich country
413: [21:14:07] <UncleCheese> you can retire in like 5 years
414: [21:14:13] <UncleCheese> there's an SS guy who did it
415: [21:14:24] <Ryan-Toast> UncleCheese: I’m sure there are a few pitfalls.
416: [21:14:25] <UncleCheese> Colin Burns
417: [21:14:32] <UncleCheese> of course
418: [21:14:53] <Colin[pi]> UncleCheese: my plan is to eventually do this from my gf's country Brazil
419: [21:14:57] <UncleCheese> like.. getting killed by a bunch of warlords who want to use your head to go bowling
420: [21:15:13] <Colin[pi]> here, you're looking at... what, $400K for even a basic house
421: [21:15:17] <UncleCheese> brazil is decent, but argentina is where you want to be for cost of living
422: [21:15:26] <Colin[pi]> over in Brazil, $400K would get me a fucking mansion
423: [21:15:27] <UncleCheese> their currency is in shambles
424: [21:15:33] <UncleCheese> USD is worth more than gold there
425: [21:15:53] <Colin[pi]> UncleCheese: haha dude, no way my brazilian gf would ever live in argentina :P
426: [21:15:58] <Colin[pi]> they hate each other with a passion
427: [21:16:48] <UncleCheese> they do?
428: [21:16:51] <Colin[pi]> yeah
429: [21:16:54] <Colin[pi]> long time rivalry
430: [21:17:23] <Colin[pi]> which is why it was particularly nasty that the world cup final was argentina on brazilian soil
431: [21:17:47] <Colin[pi]> but seriously, cost of living here now be cray cray.... and keeps getting worse :(
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433: [21:18:33] <UncleCheese> hmm
434: [21:18:42] <UncleCheese> oh, right, you're in... Sydney?
435: [21:18:45] <Colin[pi]> Canberra
436: [21:18:49] <UncleCheese> oh, ok
437: [21:18:52] <Kingy> if Argentina won the world cup that would've been a shit storm
438: [21:18:53] <UncleCheese> not as bad as Melboune
439: [21:19:10] <Colin[pi]> Kingy: lol yeah
440: [21:19:45] <UncleCheese> so, this may have blown my theory out of the water
441: [21:19:48] <UncleCheese> http://www.lankapropertyweb.com/rentals/lease-all-Apartment.html
442: [21:20:07] <UncleCheese> a decent flat is 100,000 LKR / month
443: [21:20:15] <UncleCheese> which is what silverstripers pay their top dog
444: [21:20:22] <Colin[pi]> which equates to...
445: [21:20:25] <UncleCheese> so, yeah, i guess
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447: [21:20:35] <Colin[pi]> oh 875 AUD / month
448: [21:20:42] <UncleCheese> 100,000 LKR = $930 NZD
449: [21:20:53] <UncleCheese> so...........
450: [21:20:56] <antmas> morning all
451: [21:21:02] <UncleCheese> yeah, i guess if you're in sri lanka, you're just.. fucking poor
452: [21:21:07] <Colin[pi]> HAI ANTMAS!!!111!one
453: [21:21:21] <Kingy> I could be moving to Bahrain in the new year
454: [21:21:24] <UncleCheese> probably a lot of economic segreation, though
455: [21:21:25] <Kingy> that'll be interesting
456: [21:21:31] <Colin[pi]> Kingy: bahrain?? wtf?
457: [21:21:33] <UncleCheese> Bahrain.. now that's a cost-of-living win
458: [21:21:37] <Colin[pi]> bit of a change
459: [21:21:56] <Kingy> Colin[pi]: Yep, we randomly met the head recruiter of an international school in a winery :P
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461: [21:22:14] <Colin[pi]> Kingy: go on...
462: [21:22:14] <UncleCheese> they grow grapes in the desert?
463: [21:22:21] <Kingy> so gf had an interview last night
464: [21:22:29] <Kingy> seems promising
465: [21:22:38] <Colin[pi]> wow
466: [21:22:48] <Kingy> they pay for her to go over (I just need to pay for plane ticket)
467: [21:22:54] <Kingy> and they put us up in an apartment
468: [21:22:59] <Kingy> 100% tax free living
469: [21:23:08] <Colin[pi]> where is that close to, UAE?
470: [21:23:17] <Kingy> yeah next door is Saudi Arabia
471: [21:23:21] <Colin[pi]> ah yep
472: [21:23:30] <Colin[pi]> what's the... stability like there?
473: [21:23:37] <Kingy> but Bahrain is full of expats are is the most western
474: [21:23:42] <Kingy> and is*
475: [21:23:49] <Colin[pi]> hmm ok
476: [21:23:52] <Kingy> ie, woman can drive and own property
477: [21:23:57] <Kingy> there are liqour stores
478: [21:23:59] <Colin[pi]> whew..
479: [21:24:13] <Kingy> petrol is like 18c/l
480: [21:24:14] <Kingy> :P
481: [21:24:21] <Colin[pi]> rofl of course
482: [21:24:25] <UncleCheese> ha
483: [21:24:45] <UncleCheese> supposedly in venuzuela it's $0.01
484: [21:24:53] <Kingy> The husband of the lady we met said the first thing he did was buy the biggest V8 he could find
485: [21:24:57] <Kingy> I lol'd
486: [21:25:00] <UncleCheese> ha
487: [21:25:16] <Colin[pi]> UncleCheese: yes and when they tried to raise it there was almost a revolution
488: [21:25:22] <Kingy> but yeah, the business side of the school said they were potentially looking for a web developer as well so that could be my in
489: [21:25:54] <UncleCheese> Kingy since she's not your spouse, does that complicate the visa stuff?
490: [21:26:03] <UncleCheese> you'd need separate visas
491: [21:26:04] <Colin[pi]> kingy next year: https://s-media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/originals/17/57/12/175712f6b980bf1fbecbe795cd9fec64.jpg
492: [21:26:07] <Kingy> yeah that's the main problem
493: [21:26:14] <Kingy> you need to have a working visa to live there
494: [21:26:25] <Kingy> and we'd need to be married to get a family visa
495: [21:26:31] <UncleCheese> right
496: [21:26:38] <Kingy> living together not being married isn't an issue in Bahrain
497: [21:26:51] <Kingy> and the principal said some people just get a vistors visa and leave once a month
498: [21:26:51] <UncleCheese> where are you now, Kingy ?
499: [21:26:59] <Kingy> NZ (Wellington)
500: [21:27:03] <UncleCheese> oh right
501: [21:27:07] <UncleCheese> didn't realise
502: [21:27:09] <novaweb> UncleCheese can you think of anything that may prevent Requirements::set_write_js_to_body(false); from working? I've run dev/build?flush=all
503: [21:27:16] <UncleCheese> littlw warmer up there :)
504: [21:27:18] <Kingy> but worst case we just hit up the court house :P
505: [21:27:36] <Kingy> been together 8 years, so a random court house marriage can't be bad for us lol
506: [21:28:05] <UncleCheese> yeah, there you go
507: [21:28:12] <Colin[pi]> Kingy: pretty major change though Kingy, you prepped for it?
508: [21:28:13] <UncleCheese> do you work as a freelancer in wgt?
509: [21:28:23] <Kingy> Colin[pi]: nope haha
510: [21:28:28] <Kingy> UncleCheese: Nah I work for NZX Agri
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512: [21:28:40] <UncleCheese> i think if you've lived in NZ all your life, you just gotta get the hell off this island at some point
513: [21:29:49] <Colin[pi]> come to AU Kingy: http://i.imgur.com/nSBBMSs.jpg
514: [21:30:19] <Colin[pi]> the reptilian commands it
515: [21:31:05] <irogue_> going to AU is basically just going to a far-too-hot, racist, overly conservative version of NZ
516: [21:31:10] <antmas> the mrs keeps saying we should go to aus to 'get ahead'
517: [21:31:19] <Colin[pi]> irogue_: wish I could disagree
518: [21:31:37] <Ryan-Toast> irogue_: Depends where you go I guess.
519: [21:31:38] <Colin[pi]> antmas: LOL, more like take a backwards step
520: [21:31:55] <Colin[pi]> irogue_ Ryan-Toast: yeah at least Canberra is cold 8 months of the year
521: [21:32:03] <antmas> Colin[pi]: I know :P, the only thing would be for money but even then
522: [21:32:09] <Ryan-Toast> Colin[pi]: My sister lives in Brisbane, and I like it there.
523: [21:32:11] <irogue_> Colin[pi]: sounds like i'd like canberra
524: [21:32:14] <irogue_> brisbane was horrid
525: [21:32:24] <Colin[pi]> Ryan-Toast: my sister does too! ARE YOU MY BROTHER?
526: [21:32:28] <Ryan-Toast> Colin[pi]: YES
527: [21:32:30] <Colin[pi]> OMG
528: [21:32:35] <Kingy> lolol
529: [21:32:36] <irogue_> it was only spring, and it was too hot for me to go outside
530: [21:32:58] <Colin[pi]> irogue_: try tropical north queensland in summer, jesus wept
531: [21:33:02] <Colin[pi]> IM MELTING
532: [21:33:08] <antmas> ool
533: [21:33:08] <irogue_> walk to end of driveway > get heatstroke > go back inside and have a shower
534: [21:33:10] <antmas> lol*
535: [21:33:30] <Colin[pi]> and then when I visit brazil, I almost die every time
536: [21:33:31] <antmas> where is most of the *IT* in aus?
537: [21:33:39] <irogue_> presumably sydney
538: [21:33:40] <Colin[pi]> antmas: sydney / bris / melb
539: [21:33:46] <antmas> boooo syndey
540: [21:33:50] <antmas> sydney*
541: [21:34:09] <Colin[pi]> a lot here in canberra too, but mainly govt
542: [21:34:11] <Ryan-Toast> antmas: just get a job in NZ that you can work from home… then move to aus
543: [21:35:41] <Colin[pi]> irogue_: canberra would probably be compatible weather wise for most of the year, summer gets into the 30's though... but also it's pretty fucking boring here at times
544: [21:35:42] <Ryan-Toast> Anyone had an issue with SS stripping fullstops from email addresses?
545: [21:35:44] <irogue_> generally with any country (other than the US cos they tend to have entire small cities of IT) if you want to know where the IT is just name the 3 most populated cities
546: [21:36:11] <Colin[pi]> ^
547: [21:36:13] <irogue_> Ryan-Toast: in what context?
548: [21:36:33] <Ryan-Toast> irogue_: new dataobject, populate with form data. Boom, no fullstop in email address.
549: [21:36:43] <Colin[pi]> never seen that happen
550: [21:36:48] <irogue_> Ryan-Toast: sounds... strange. definitely never seen that
551: [21:36:49] <antmas> Ryan-Toast: that would be awesome, but then again I'm too early in my career
552: [21:36:49] <Ryan-Toast> john.smith@email.com becomes johnsmith@email.com
553: [21:36:55] <antmas> that would be 5+ years away yet
554: [21:37:07] <Ryan-Toast> antmas: 5 years isn’t a long time, man.
555: [21:37:13] <Ryan-Toast> antmas: set them plans
556: [21:37:18] <irogue_> in 5 years I'll be *old* :(
557: [21:37:26] <Colin[pi]> irogue_: how old?
558: [21:37:31] <Ryan-Toast> irogue_: 30?
559: [21:37:35] <irogue_> 32!
560: [21:37:37] <Colin[pi]> irogue_: fuck you
561: [21:37:39] <Colin[pi]> ;P
562: [21:37:45] <antmas> I'll be 21 :P
563: [21:37:47] <Ryan-Toast> I’ll be 30 in 5 years .
564: [21:37:48] <antmas> 31*
565: [21:37:49] <antmas> lol
566: [21:37:49] <irogue_> Colin[pi]: no ty, you're not my type ;)
567: [21:37:57] <Colin[pi]> :P
568: [21:38:09] <antmas> Ryan-Toast: Yeah I'm planning now :D
569: [21:39:10] <irogue_> someone did this: http://transportblog.co.nz/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/US-economic-activity-split-in-half.gif
570: [21:39:11] <Colin[pi]> time goes so quickly though these days :(
571: [21:39:26] <irogue_> so transportblog did an NZ version: http://transportblog.co.nz/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/City-share-of-NZ-GDP-map-v2.jpg
572: [21:40:17] <Kingy> Bahrain - Monday 12:00 am - Clear - 27°C
573: [21:40:27] <Colin[pi]> Kingy: U GON DIE
574: [21:40:28] <Ryan-Toast> This just in: more money where more pople live.
575: [21:40:35] <Kingy> The LOW is 27°C
576: [21:40:37] <Kingy> THE LOW
577: [21:40:39] <Colin[pi]> ahaha
578: [21:40:55] <Kingy> I don't do hot :(
579: [21:40:55] <antmas> 27 aint bad, but when it's the low...
580: [21:41:06] <Kingy> looking at 38°C for the high today
581: [21:41:09] <irogue_> Ryan-Toast: yep. the figures all almost entirely line up with population
582: [21:41:29] <Colin[pi]> Kingy: holy shit: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geography_of_Bahrain#Climate
583: [21:41:31] <Kingy> During the summer months, from April to October, afternoon temperatures average 40 °C (104 °F) and can reach 48 °C (118.4 °F) during June and July.
584: [21:41:36] <Kingy> !!!
585: [21:42:02] <irogue_> Ryan-Toast: akl and wlg have a higher % GDP than population, everyone else is either the same or slightly lower
586: [21:42:02] <Colin[pi]> doesn't really get any lower than the normal highs where you are :P
587: [21:42:05] <Kingy> yay look at winter
588: [21:42:05] <Kingy> :P
589: [21:42:22] <antmas> 48
590: [21:42:25] <antmas> 48 is murder
591: [21:42:34] <irogue_> 38 would kill me
592: [21:42:43] <Kingy> 30 kills me
593: [21:42:44] <antmas> yeah me too
594: [21:42:54] <Kingy> dat summer we had a couple of years ago
595: [21:42:58] <Colin[pi]> Kingy: hope you got A/C over there son
596: [21:43:00] <Kingy> xmas day was murder
597: [21:43:08] <antmas> it would cause like the opposite of UncleCheese 's issues with heating
598: [21:43:12] <Kingy> Colin[pi]: I'd imagine it'd be aussie on an extreme level :P
599: [21:43:39] <irogue_> almost every parachute festival weekend it was ~32, and I was spending a large amount of time in the water mist tent
600: [21:43:42] <Colin[pi]> Kingy: well I grew up in Wagga, minimums in winter were like maybe 0 at a push, but max of 45 in summer :(
601: [21:46:00] <Kingy> ouch
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603: [21:47:23] <Colin[pi]> meanwhile my gf is accustomed to 18-25C all year round
604: [21:47:41] <Colin[pi]> so she really digs the -5C mornings in Canberra :P
605: [21:47:54] <simon_w|work> Those mornings are great
606: [21:48:05] <Colin[pi]> simon_w|work: haha you'd love it
607: [21:48:14] <Colin[pi]> simon_w|work: too bright for you today?
608: [21:48:31] <simon_w|work> Well, the office was already open so it had cooled down a bit
609: [21:48:40] <simon_w|work> But now I don't go outside until it's not hot :p
610: [21:52:57] <UncleCheese> -5C in Canberra?!
611: [21:53:27] <Colin[pi]> UncleCheese: yessir... in winter, it's common
612: [21:53:32] <UncleCheese> antmas except power is cheap as chips in Barhain
613: [21:53:34] <simon_w|work> Shorts and t-shirt weather!
614: [21:53:43] <irogue_> australia is all about the extremes, UncleCheese
615: [21:53:48] <UncleCheese> huh
616: [21:54:00] <Colin[pi]> UncleCheese: yeah 35-40C in summer
617: [21:54:02] <UncleCheese> crazy that Wellngton gets nowhere near -5
618: [21:54:10] <UncleCheese> jesus
619: [21:54:13] <Colin[pi]> (but anything above 35C is rare here)
620: [21:54:24] <Kingy> UncleCheese: We'd get free accomdation which includes power/water/net
621: [21:54:35] <UncleCheese> BOOM
622: [21:54:50] <UncleCheese> all the falafel you can eat?
623: [21:55:07] <Kingy> Well food would really be our only expense
624: [21:55:08] <Kingy> so yes
625: [21:55:53] <UncleCheese> but what about ISIS?
626: [21:56:01] <UncleCheese> would you have to join?
627: [21:56:16] <Kingy> ISIS is in Bahrain?
628: [21:56:41] <Kingy> man teachers make good money
629: [21:56:42] <simon_w|work> Colin[pi], you know those knew apartments across from the Phillip pool?
630: [21:56:45] <simon_w|work> *new
631: [21:56:48] <Kingy> 1500BHD a month
632: [21:56:54] <simon_w|work> They get NBN
633: [21:56:57] <Kingy> 5021.05 New Zealand Dollar
634: [21:57:03] <Colin[pi]> simon_w|work: I know! I saw on the rollout map!
635: [21:57:22] <simon_w|work> Jerks!
636: [21:57:26] <irogue_> real NBN or AbbottNBN?
637: [21:57:53] <simon_w|work> Turns out NBNco's still doing real NBN
638: [21:58:23] <Colin[pi]> irogue_: AbbottNBN was supposed to be "in trial" and I think I read that after 10 months, not a single property had been connected yet
639: [21:58:33] <irogue_> lol
640: [21:58:52] <Colin[pi]> I think only recently they've just started the connections finally
641: [21:59:32] <simon_w|work> And, surprising no one, since no one else is on it, they get reasonable speeds
642: [22:00:11] <simon_w|work> (Mostly because FTTP is being capped at 100/100 for now)
643: [22:00:13] <irogue_> reading comments from abbott fanbois on forums etc. is entertaining
644: [22:00:46] <Kingy> whens the next aussie election?
645: [22:00:56] <Colin[pi]> Kingy: 2 years from now
646: [22:00:58] <Colin[pi]> sadly
647: [22:01:02] <irogue_> "VDSL IS BETTER THAN FIBRE ANYWAY IT HAS LESS PINGS"
648: [22:01:03] <irogue_> wat
649: [22:01:10] <Kingy> ^
650: [22:01:17] <Kingy> speaks the truth /s
651: [22:01:42] <Colin[pi]> irogue_: I have a good friend who is a diehard liberal and works in the IT/telecoms industry... he gave me a huge speal one day about how abbott nbn is awesom
652: [22:01:45] <Colin[pi]> +e
653: [22:01:52] <Colin[pi]> I'm like .. uh huh
654: [22:01:55] <irogue_> meanwhile in NZ: https://twitter.com/SnapInternet/status/522193623383687168
655: [22:03:06] <simon_w|work> irogue_, IIRC, that's what the original NBN is supposed to be at once the rollout finishes
656: [22:03:43] <Colin[pi]> look abbott nbn in theory should be "ok"... but the problem is it's a stopgap solution, temporary... not one for the future
657: [22:03:55] <Colin[pi]> and will need to be replaced again
658: [22:04:10] <simon_w|work> Colin[pi], it's already outdated and the rollout hasn't started
659: [22:04:18] <Colin[pi]> whereas with FTTP, just change the tech at either end, and the fiber could stay in place for 50+ years
660: [22:04:18] <irogue_> yeah
661: [22:04:33] <Kingy> irogue_: I have to lol that people are getting gigabit already
662: [22:04:37] <Kingy> this whole gigatown thing is so stupid
663: [22:05:01] <irogue_> NZ had Abbott NBN 5 years ago, as a stopgap measure. it's now being replaced, while AU just starts to implement it.
664: [22:05:14] <Colin[pi]> yep!
665: [22:05:31] <Colin[pi]> but by the time it rolls around here, these clowns will all be retiring on their MP pay packets
666: [22:05:47] <Colin[pi]> plus kickbacks from Rupert + co
667: [22:05:55] <Colin[pi]> to keep the competition away from Foxtel
668: [22:06:07] <Kingy> ohhhh cricket tomorrow !!!
669: [22:07:30] <irogue_> 200/200 FTTP is now in general availability (i.e. anyone can sign up for it) and 1Gps is in closed beta
670: [22:08:13] <Colin[pi]> irogue_: prob here is old Rupie is haemorrghing (sic) money
671: [22:08:25] <Colin[pi]> irogue_: a decent NBN would fuck over his pay tv for good
672: [22:08:47] <Colin[pi]> so he has a private meeting with Abbott the DAY BEFORE the libs released their broadband policy
673: [22:08:53] <irogue_> lol
674: [22:09:02] <Colin[pi]> abbott said "did I discuss the nbn with rupert? no I didn't"
675: [22:09:06] <Colin[pi]> HAHA SURRRE
676: [22:09:35] <Colin[pi]> not like he's lied about anything else......
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678: [22:12:11] <peter_w> hey there.....I need to choose a new server. What version of PHP should I use. The SilveStripe server requirements say to use at least 5.3....
679: [22:13:13] <irogue_> peter_w: use the newest version you can. SS should be fine with 5.5, not sure about 5.6 (simon_w|work may know)
680: [22:13:24] <simon_w|work> 5.6 works
681: [22:13:44] <simon_w|work> Or passes the tests anyway
682: [22:13:48] <Colin[pi]> wow php has 4 branches currently for download as latest versions?
683: [22:14:20] * stojg quit (Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…)
684: [22:19:14] <peter_w> thanks
685: [22:20:21] <simon_w|work> Colin[pi], 5.3 will probably be dropped when 5.4 hits EOL
686: [22:20:32] <Colin[pi]> mm about time
687: [22:20:48] <simon_w|work> 5.3 is past EOL
688: [22:20:59] * Kingy stills uses it sigh
689: [22:21:18] * simon_w|work slaps Kingy with a trout
690: [22:21:30] <Kingy> yeah should talk to SS about that
691: [22:21:40] <Kingy> ss23 upgrade php for me would you :P
692: [22:21:50] <Kingy> full regression test kthx
693: [22:21:51] <Olliepop> Don't run on a shared hosting account
694: [22:22:06] <Kingy> Olliepop: I'm not
695: [22:22:10] * simon_w|work needs to get around to replying to mooman
696: [22:22:23] <ss23> Kingy: Sure let me--on no lol
697: [22:22:29] <Kingy> haha
698: [22:22:45] <Kingy> but seriously we should discuss that at some point
699: [22:22:52] <ss23> We can, you guys going to keep hosting with us?
700: [22:23:00] <Kingy> probably not
701: [22:23:07] <simon_w|work> It's a lot cheaper if you don't :p
702: [22:23:12] <Kingy> haha yeah
703: [22:23:16] <Kingy> looking at aws
704: [22:24:26] <ss23> Kingy: Well if you're not keeping hosting with us, I wouldn't bother asking, since it'll take ages to do. But we do run 5.4 on our AWS shit, if you wanted to use AWS and stay with us for that (though I'm not sure what the business relationship for that kind of thing is like)
705: [22:24:47] <Kingy> Yeah a lot of talk needs to be done with that
706: [22:24:58] <Kingy> I know the StripeTheWeb guys who are making another site for us are doing AWS hosting for that
707: [22:28:05] <simon_w|work> ss23, 5.4? Seriously?
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709: [22:34:25] <irogue_> I'm guessing we're stuck there until SS 2.4 EOL
710: [22:38:54] <ss23> simon_w|work: I know, we're pretty radical, running the latest version of PHP on the latest version of DEbian
711: [22:40:52] * pippy has joined #silverstripe
712: [22:42:07] <irogue_> oh yeah, thats right, debian <3 using the oldest non-EOL stable of everything
713: [22:42:13] <hailwood> Hi guys, if I have a config file in a package /httpdocs/somepackage/_config/somepackage.yml
714: [22:42:13] <hailwood> Can I override the settings in the file by just appending the same block (with edited info) to my core config.yml?
715: [22:43:38] <simon_w|work> hailwood, it depends on the type of the value. If it's an array, you can only append to it.
716: [22:43:55] <simon_w|work> Also, you'll need to use the appropriate After: rule
717: [22:49:26] <hailwood> simon_w|work: here is the config file I am wanting to override https://gist.github.com/hailwood/be9ab6aaa709ab69a7c5
718: [22:50:15] <simon_w|work> hailwood, so you'd want After: '*#paymentform'
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720: [22:52:15] <irogue_> I love that Freshdesk was originally a clone of Zendesk, which the Zendesk creator got very pissy and about
721: [22:52:25] <irogue_> and now they've both diverged and I actually prefer Freshdesk...
722: [22:52:58] <ss23> Zendesk is pretty bad
723: [22:52:59] <hailwood> simon_w|work: so my core config.yml should look like this? https://gist.github.com/hailwood/23b2bf30ed3ce55d4744
724: [22:53:15] <ss23> irogue_: IS it any good? Because zendesk is like... a fucking piece of shit that has no alternative that I know of :(
725: [22:53:18] <simon_w|work> hailwood, now
726: [22:53:19] <simon_w|work> no
727: [22:53:22] <ss23> The worst best product
728: [22:53:59] <simon_w|work> hailwood, http://doc.silverstripe.org/framework/en/topics/configuration#priorities
729: [22:54:21] <irogue_> ss23: yeah, I actually find it pretty good
730: [22:54:46] <irogue_> has a very well documented API too which is nice, and you can use the API on any plan (including the free one)
731: [22:56:18] <irogue_> zendesk is fucking expensive, and you have to pay for the really big plans to even get half the features
732: [22:56:27] <irogue_> and their new UI is so shite
733: [22:58:15] <hailwood> simon_w|work: Ah right - so this? (this configuration system confuses the crap out of me!) https://gist.github.com/hailwood/23b2bf30ed3ce55d4744
734: [22:58:32] <spronk> irogue_, you got any idea whether voip services via e.g. snap plus would fuck up a samsung voip standalone phone?
735: [22:58:57] <spronk> (i.e. both running side by side)
736: [22:59:05] <spronk> also, check out freshdesk
737: [22:59:14] * spronk seconds
738: [22:59:38] <irogue_> spronk: I haven't tried snap plus on two devices. different SIP services handle that in different ways
739: [22:59:59] <spronk> i want snap+ for home line, but i need to keep this shitbox samsung fuckedUpOverIP working
740: [23:00:09] <ss23> 11:56:28 < irogue_> and their new UI is so shite
741: [23:00:10] <irogue_> oh
742: [23:00:13] <ss23> that's my biggest problem with it
743: [23:00:22] <irogue_> spronk: you mean connected to two different voip services?
744: [23:00:25] <spronk> ss23, freshdesk is kiiinda like zendesk used to be
745: [23:00:25] <ss23> When every interaction with the product is painful, it makes me hate it >.<
746: [23:00:28] <spronk> irogue_, ja
747: [23:00:50] <spronk> one probably via fritzbox 7490 if i go with snap, one via the standalone SAM SUNG
748: [23:01:01] <ss23> Hey by the way, do any ISPs support 2x IPs on a single connection?
749: [23:01:02] <spronk> what did he sing? who knows
750: [23:01:03] <ss23> Non-business ones
751: [23:01:08] <simon_w|work> hailwood, pretty much
752: [23:01:13] <spronk> ss23, no :(
753: [23:01:18] <ss23> lameeee
754: [23:01:22] <irogue_> spronk: I know it's fine on DrayTeks, not sure about the Fritz
755: [23:01:27] <spronk> mm
756: [23:01:43] <spronk> my draytek isn't the voip model :<
757: [23:01:56] <irogue_> often routers with built-in voip divert all inbound voip to their own ATA, fucking up other standalone devices
758: [23:01:59] <ss23> voip is for losers who don't have IRC!
759: [23:02:30] <spronk> mm
760: [23:02:35] <spronk> i guess i could get standard copper line
761: [23:02:57] <spronk> but then i can't get a cheap wireless AC router :P
762: [23:03:45] <irogue_> ss23: I don't think Chorus allow it on residential DSL. can definitely do it on business DSL and fibre
763: [23:03:55] <irogue_> regularly had to help people set up their drayteks to handle it
764: [23:03:59] <ss23> Fuck Chorus
765: [23:04:00] <ss23> :/
766: [23:04:01] <spronk> ss23, noone that i talked to would do it unless i went to a business connection
767: [23:04:16] <spronk> i.e voda, telecom, snap
768: [23:04:23] <ss23> I guess they want you to pay for the additional service, but it'd be nice if everything was addon based instead of plan based
769: [23:04:23] <irogue_> yeah
770: [23:04:35] <ss23> You want business level SLAs? Buy the $500 upgrade for it!
771: [23:04:40] <ss23> You want more IPs? Buy this upgrade pack!
772: [23:04:47] <irogue_> i'm fairly certain snap etc would do it (for a small extra monthly fee) if they were allowed
773: [23:05:32] <spronk> snap have no ULL hardware right?
774: [23:05:34] <simon_w|work> I should check to see if iiNet gives out static IPs
775: [23:05:59] <irogue_> spronk: they do IIRC, but just a few ones they put around chch for a trial
776: [23:06:23] <spronk> oic
777: [23:06:39] <irogue_> but they often use other company's LLU gear if they'll wholesale it cheaper than chorus do
778: [23:06:50] <irogue_> not unusual to encounter snap users on voda or orcon LLU gear
779: [23:06:57] <spronk> iinteresting
780: [23:08:06] <irogue_> had a user in chch who was having issues, discovered that Chorus had dumped in some of their original pre-ratification ADSL1 gear into some of the quake-affected areas
781: [23:08:34] <irogue_> nokia stuff, draft spec, barely worked with non-Nokia routers
782: [23:08:51] <spronk> lool
783: [23:08:59] <spronk> what dicks
784: [23:09:09] <irogue_> had a chat with a technical contact at Snap who discovered that vodafone had LLU gear there, so we got them moved over
785: [23:09:25] * spronk remembers the ni500 with great detest
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787: [23:10:57] <hailwood> simon_w|work: Pretty much means "yeah that's correct", or "Almost"? I read over the configuration documentation but I'm still quite confused.
788: [23:11:14] <simon_w|work> hailwood, well, you don't need the name, but that doesn't matter
789: [23:13:59] <hailwood> Ah ok, Cheers
790: [23:15:53] <peter_w> has anyone had any luck using compass on your local machine...I am running WAMP
791: [23:16:12] <ss23> I got one of the designers to install it for me, but I run Linux/OSX
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793: [23:23:28] <SphereSilver> \o
794: [23:23:44] <SphereSilver> Anyone here by any chance experienced with Firebird SQL?
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799: [23:35:26] <jordanmk> is there any way to add a heading, or some text, above the gridfield in a ModelAdmin?
800: [23:35:43] <jordanmk> to explain what the objects in that ModelAdmin are
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802: [23:49:07] <Colin[pi]> if I have a controller returning some json for a form field, should I do some sort of check to avoid it being hit by third parties?
803: [23:49:41] <Colin[pi]> it's nothing sensitive, just pass a country code and it returns the states
804: [23:52:54] <simon_w|work> Colin[pi], wouldn't bother
805: [23:53:00] <Colin[pi]> simon_w|work: k
806: [23:53:04] <simon_w|work> jordanmk, override getEditForm(), add fields

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