#silverstripe IRC Log

IRC log for 15 October 2014

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1: [00:00:34] <simon_w|work> spronk, Hamish is CTO, so basically can do whatever he wants with core
2: [00:00:47] <spronk> well
3: [00:00:59] <spronk> we could always fork ss
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5: [00:01:01] <Colin[pi]> simon_w|work: that's a pretty small merge really, for a big improvement
6: [00:01:02] <simon_w|work> He doesn't seem happy that people are complaining about the namespaces that he's had Damian start
7: [00:01:15] <simon_w|work> Colin[pi], yup
8: [00:01:20] <Colin[pi]> hmm
9: [00:01:20] <spronk> Superstripe
10: [00:01:22] <spronk> :P
11: [00:01:33] <spronk> actually
12: [00:01:39] <spronk> thats infringeworthy
13: [00:01:40] <spronk> Superslash
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15: [00:02:38] <simon_w|work> spronk, we can even use the new logo fine!
16: [00:02:40] <antmas> Goldstripe?
17: [00:02:56] <Colin[pi]> lol Anselm_
18: [00:03:00] <Colin[pi]> *antmas
19: [00:03:02] <spronk> :D
20: [00:03:04] <Colin[pi]> (damn tab)
21: [00:03:06] <UncleCheese> simon_w|work thanks.. i've noticed that too.. i'll put in a ticket with the dev team
22: [00:10:12] <spronk> hmm
23: [00:10:19] <spronk> current chrome definitely has issues with memory leakage and discuss
24: [00:10:20] <spronk> well
25: [00:10:25] <spronk> memory runaway
26: [00:10:41] <Colin[pi]> spronk: trying to compete with FF?
27: [00:10:49] <spronk> LOLOL
28: [00:11:23] <Colin[pi]> wow my FF is only at 550MB
29: [00:11:26] <Colin[pi]> that's quite low
30: [00:11:43] <spronk> hmm
31: [00:12:03] <spronk> Total: 7,694,998k
32: [00:12:17] <spronk> (chrome)
33: [00:13:18] <Colin[pi]> spronk: wtf!
34: [00:13:24] <spronk> 133 tabs
35: [00:13:28] <ss23> 13:10:20 < spronk> current chrome definitely has issues with memory leakage and discuss
36: [00:13:28] <Colin[pi]> damn
37: [00:13:36] <ss23> Flowdock used ~2gb of ram in Chrome once
38: [00:13:37] <ss23> :(
39: [00:13:43] <Colin[pi]> ouch
40: [00:13:48] <spronk> yeah
41: [00:13:52] <spronk> ss api docs were using 1.5GB just before
42: [00:14:15] <ss23> ouch ;_;
43: [00:14:26] <spronk> ja
44: [00:14:28] <spronk> from discuss
45: [00:14:29] <spronk> discus
46: [00:14:32] <spronk> whatever the fuck its called
47: [00:14:56] <ss23> what burgerfuel should I get?
48: [00:15:08] <Kingy> ring stinger
49: [00:15:14] <ss23> I'll get a BBQ Roadster, but not sure if I want a side
50: [00:15:16] <simon_w|work> ss23, the $50 one
51: [00:15:17] <ss23> Kingy: burner
52: [00:15:25] <ss23> simon_w|work: sounds not wurf
53: [00:15:25] <spronk> get
54: [00:15:31] <spronk> a peanut piston
55: [00:15:34] <simon_w|work> ss23, it has everything on it
56: [00:15:34] <spronk> minus peanut
57: [00:15:37] <spronk> + stilton sauce
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59: [00:15:44] <ss23> BURGER IS NOT FOR DISCUSSION
60: [00:15:54] <spronk> or
61: [00:16:11] <spronk> get a ring burner -beef +chicken -jalepenosauce +pineapple
62: [00:16:12] <Kingy> ss23 can you go back through your bank statement and tell us how much u spend on burgerfuel
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64: [00:16:34] <ss23> Kingy: I could, but we cna extrapolate
65: [00:16:39] <antmas> $LinkingMode Y U NO WORK?
66: [00:16:42] <ss23> ~15 per meal, 4 times a week
67: [00:16:46] <ss23> Maybe ~3 times
68: [00:16:50] <spronk> scheiet
69: [00:17:05] <Kingy> so $45-60 a week?
70: [00:17:09] <spronk> thats insane
71: [00:17:14] <spronk> ss23 learn2cook
72: [00:17:25] <Kingy> $3120 per year
73: [00:17:48] <Kingy> can get return flights to europe for half that
74: [00:18:25] <micmania1> yeah, but europe doesn’t have burgerfuel.
75: [00:18:26] <ss23> spronk: I don't *want* to cook
76: [00:18:46] <ss23> Kingy: I'l probably be going to Europe soonish (like within the next 3 years) anyway
77: [00:18:48] <spronk> haha
78: [00:18:49] <Kingy> jesus you could find someone to cook you food for thatl ol
79: [00:18:50] <ss23> It's not like it's mutually exclusive
80: [00:18:58] <ss23> Kingy: Oh that's a good idea
81: [00:19:02] <ss23> I should get like a chef, but on timeshare
82: [00:19:05] <Kingy> $15 an hour
83: [00:19:07] <ss23> So you can share it with other people
84: [00:19:14] <ss23> OH WAIT I JUST INVENTED THE RESTRAUNT
85: [00:19:14] <Kingy> only takes an hour to cook a decent lunch
86: [00:19:23] <spronk> nono
87: [00:19:32] <spronk> you invented DELIVERY COOKS LTD
88: [00:19:52] <spronk> tbh
89: [00:19:54] <spronk> restaurant cheaper.
90: [00:19:58] <spronk> now i want burgerfuel
91: [00:20:00] <spronk> fuck you ss23
92: [00:20:33] <Kingy> can't imagine that BF 4 days a week is any good for you either lol
93: [00:20:37] <antmas> Ryan-Toast: any ideas why $LinkingMode doesn't work in highlighting the .current page?
94: [00:20:37] <ss23> lol
95: [00:20:38] <ss23> :3
96: [00:20:38] <Kingy> unhealthy mofo
97: [00:20:41] <ss23> I'm getting it, spronk
98: [00:20:41] <antmas> http://www.sspaste.com/paste/show/543db895ec9bb Ryan-Toast ^^
99: [00:20:42] <spronk> hmm
100: [00:20:54] <spronk> bf could be reasonably healthy if you mostly stuck to chicken
101: [00:20:56] <spronk> and avoided e.g. bacon
102: [00:20:59] <spronk> and fries
103: [00:21:00] <ss23> Kingy: Honestly, the only part of it's that "unhelathy" is the calories, and this is the only proper meal I eat a day, so it works out okay
104: [00:21:01] <Ryan-Toast> jesus, the fuck is that code?
105: [00:21:22] <Ryan-Toast> antmas: recursion, son. Have you heard of it?
106: [00:21:24] <Kingy> antmas: holy shit lol
107: [00:21:27] <antmas> Ryan-Toast: a mess, is what it is
108: [00:21:29] <spronk> :|
109: [00:21:35] <Ryan-Toast> WHAT ARE YOU DOING ANTMAS?
110: [00:21:47] <antmas> Ryan-Toast: dude, it's not mine
111: [00:21:49] <Ryan-Toast> :P
112: [00:21:56] <Kingy> uh-huh
113: [00:22:12] <Ryan-Toast> even so, delete 80% of it and put it in a recursive template
114: [00:22:14] <antmas> ss23: who did the tasman template?
115: [00:22:16] <spronk> <% include ChildrenTemplate %>
116: [00:22:20] <spronk> DONE DONE DONE
117: [00:22:20] <Kingy> ss23: fair enough I guess, but still jesus lol
118: [00:22:27] * spronk waits for ss23 to put his own hand up
119: [00:22:28] <ss23> antmas: No idea man, `git blame`?
120: [00:22:30] <antmas> theme*
121: [00:22:35] <antmas> ss23: :P
122: [00:22:42] <spronk> i wonder whether subway is healthier than burgerfuel in reality
123: [00:22:48] <antmas> I think it was hothouse maybe, either way I fucking hate this theme
124: [00:22:53] <adrexia> Ryan-Toast recursive templates are my favourite thing about silverstripe 3 :D
125: [00:22:53] <Kingy> spronk: totally depends on what you get
126: [00:23:17] <spronk> hm
127: [00:23:23] <spronk> do i have any subway app vouchers
128: [00:23:33] <zippy> antmas: people make ss specific templates?
129: [00:23:34] <Colin[pi]> spronk: I'm gonna go with.. maybe?>
130: [00:23:34] <Ryan-Toast> adrexia: I love them, but some times I get very confused.
131: [00:23:38] <Kingy> spronk: pork riblet is real bad
132: [00:23:40] <zippy> antmas: to purchase I mean
133: [00:23:42] <spronk> mm
134: [00:23:52] <Ryan-Toast> adrexia: the old “I had a problem that I solved with recursion, now I have two problems"
135: [00:23:54] <ss23> antmas: wait, which site are you talking about?
136: [00:23:56] <adrexia> antmas - at one stage there was no recursion
137: [00:23:57] * spronk usually does chicken, ham, or BMT
138: [00:24:01] <Kingy> normal thigs like, roast beef, ham, turkey etc are probs not bad
139: [00:24:04] <adrexia> it probably just got upgraded
140: [00:24:04] <ss23> spronk: tasman.govt.nz?
141: [00:24:10] <spronk> what
142: [00:24:12] <spronk> my voucher is
143: [00:24:15] <spronk> receive double reward points
144: [00:24:17] <spronk> on catering orders.
145: [00:24:43] <adrexia> Ryan-Toast, I generally only solve recursive problems with recursion ;)
146: [00:24:49] <antmas> zippy: I dunno, I think ss did the theme now actually
147: [00:25:08] <adrexia> tasman used to be a 2.4 site
148: [00:25:12] <antmas> and yeah it was done before recursion
149: [00:25:18] <antmas> adrexia: but we did get upgraded
150: [00:25:25] <adrexia> if its 3.* now, then chances are noone touched the tempaltes other than to make them compatible
151: [00:25:27] <antmas> they just didn't do le templates :P
152: [00:25:33] <adrexia> 2.4 doesn't have recursive templates
153: [00:25:35] <antmas> admmhmm
154: [00:25:38] <antmas> adrexia: ^^
155: [00:25:43] <adrexia> yep :)
156: [00:26:12] <adrexia> but its yours now - fix it :D
157: [00:26:21] <antmas> lol
158: [00:26:23] <antmas> yeah
159: [00:26:26] <antmas> because I have the time
160: [00:26:28] <antmas> ;)
161: [00:26:44] <adrexia> I see you're talking on irc, that tem,plate could be recursive by now ;)
162: [00:26:53] <ss23> antmas: looks like mateusz!
163: [00:27:00] <ss23> If 2.4, then yeah
164: [00:27:02] * antmas rolls eyes
165: [00:27:06] <ss23> n00b
166: [00:27:08] <antmas> ss23: yeah it was I think
167: [00:27:13] <ss23> BBL GETTING BURGERFUEL
168: [00:27:16] <ss23> Already ordered online
169: [00:27:18] <ss23> ss23 is master
170: [00:27:22] <simon_w|work> adrexia, I mentally stuck "would you like some help with that?" after that comma
171: [00:27:46] <adrexia> lol
172: [00:29:13] <simon_w|work> Does someone want to actually implement https://gist.github.com/simonwelsh/ce75f7a627a15c3aec44#file-gistfile1-php-L92-L101 for me?
173: [00:31:59] <spronk> ..wat does it od
174: [00:32:44] <simon_w|work> Will stream database backups, apply the incremental ones to the base, then restore
175: [00:33:16] <spronk> o_O
176: [00:33:16] <spronk> wat
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178: [00:33:38] <spronk> ... percona?
179: [00:33:54] <simon_w|work> yeah
180: [00:34:09] <spronk> ah
181: [00:34:55] <simon_w|work> Changes restores from taking 90 minutes just to run the sqldump to 20 minutes, including uncompressing everything
182: [00:34:56] * Kolin_ is now known as Kolin
183: [00:35:10] <spronk> hmm
184: [00:35:13] <spronk> i need to check it out
185: [00:36:15] <simon_w|work> The backups don't compress as well as the sql dump, but incremental backups should help with that
186: [00:36:22] <spronk> mm..
187: [00:36:52] <simon_w|work> Or, they compress better but the uncompressed version is bigger
188: [00:38:13] <spronk> mm
189: [00:38:13] <spronk> hmm
190: [00:38:20] <spronk> we've got a pretty awful backup setup
191: [00:38:29] <spronk> raw mysql is hard to get good backups for 100GB tables
192: [00:40:54] <simon_w|work> Our tables are only 54 GB. SQL dump's 20 GB and compresses to 1.7. percona is about the same size uncompressed (which we only ever have during a restore) and compresses to about 5 GB
193: [00:41:07] <simon_w|work> Does need you to be using innodb though
194: [00:41:19] <spronk> mm, we're innodb
195: [00:41:37] <Kingy> does anyone use DFP here?
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197: [00:42:46] <simon_w|work> Heh, for a small-change incremental, the thing that takes up the most space is the mysql database
198: [00:42:49] <simon_w|work> Stupid MyISAM tables
199: [00:46:21] <irogue_> [12:59:44] <@ss23> irogue_: confrim I was not enabling
200: [00:46:23] <irogue_> can confirm
201: [00:47:16] <ss23> ^
202: [00:47:42] <simon_w|work> Come on, details :p
203: [00:50:03] <zippy> spronk: replication, pause slave, dump, resume slave
204: [00:50:32] <irogue_> was an intense argument :P
205: [00:50:36] <zippy> replication is a dog
206: [00:54:13] <simon_w|work> irogue_, tease :p
207: [01:01:45] <Ryan-Toast> So the t-shirts I got printed for our hockey team came today… and man are they see through, haha
208: [01:02:02] <Ryan-Toast> Will have to tell the girls not to wear colorful bras
209: [01:02:41] <zippy> could work as a good distraction technique
210: [01:03:03] <Ryan-Toast> for our own team perhaps
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212: [01:13:14] <travis-ci> silverstripe/silverstripe-framework#3472 (master - 4d603b8 : Sean Harvey): The build passed.
213: [01:13:14] <travis-ci> Change view : https://github.com/silverstripe/silverstripe-framework/compare/7a8b4a7f63f5...4d603b85f0ea
214: [01:13:14] <travis-ci> Build details : http://travis-ci.org/silverstripe/silverstripe-framework/builds/38000243
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216: [01:13:21] <simon_w|work> Ryan-Toast, or, get them wearing bras in the team's colours?
217: [01:13:34] <Ryan-Toast> simon_w|work: good plan
218: [01:13:37] <irogue_> or no bras at all
219: [01:13:38] <Ryan-Toast> I made a nice logo.
220: [01:13:59] <irogue_> Ryan-Toast: show us the logo, we'll be the judge of that
221: [01:14:10] <Ryan-Toast> irogue_: one sec
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224: [01:16:04] <Ryan-Toast> irogue_: http://i.imgur.com/wrKQFrQ.jpg
225: [01:19:51] <antmas> not bad :)
226: [01:20:52] <Ryan-Toast> chur
227: [01:21:47] <antmas> I don't like the colours all that much
228: [01:21:52] <antmas> but that's personal pref :P
229: [01:22:05] <Ryan-Toast> antmas: well I don’t like your face
230: [01:22:17] <antmas> Ryan-Toast: you love my face
231: [01:22:22] <Ryan-Toast> antmas: :3
232: [01:23:02] <antmas> ooooooh new At the Gates is so good
233: [01:23:06] <antmas> \m/
234: [01:23:22] * Liquide quit ()
235: [01:23:32] <Ryan-Toast> at the gates?
236: [01:23:55] <antmas> Ryan-Toast: metal
237: [01:24:00] <Ryan-Toast> antmas: ah, right.
238: [01:27:37] <Tanger> Oooh, at the gates
239: [01:27:55] <Tanger> Haven't heard their latest album yet
240: [01:28:43] <antmas> Tanger: almost out, the first track is on Spotify and it is good times
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251: [02:02:10] <antmas> fuck you git
252: [02:02:23] <antmas> error "http request failed on push"
253: [02:02:27] <antmas> :|
254: [02:05:09] <antmas> tim out error
255: [02:05:12] <antmas> time*
256: [02:05:13] <antmas> hmmm
257: [02:06:53] <adrexia> put the tim back in and see if it works?
258: [02:07:04] <antmas> adrexia: :P
259: [02:07:08] * adrexia grins
260: [02:07:16] <adrexia> (so so bored )
261: [02:07:26] <antmas> "you're ahead by 1 commit - use git push to publish"
262: [02:07:28] <antmas> FUCK YOU
263: [02:07:33] <antmas> don't tell me how to live my life
264: [02:07:38] <adrexia> drupal is... erg . Jealous of silverstripe devs right now
265: [02:07:48] <antmas> adrexia: hmm?
266: [02:08:13] <irogue_> drupal's the best of the bad options too
267: [02:08:23] <adrexia> antmas - I'm currently doing a drupal stint. Lets just say I am less than impressed
268: [02:08:30] <irogue_> still rather drupal than joomla or wordpress
269: [02:08:41] <adrexia> I think I'd prefer wordpress
270: [02:08:46] <adrexia> it does one thing right
271: [02:08:50] <adrexia> and it does it well
272: [02:08:50] <irogue_> wow, three naughty words in one sentence
273: [02:08:51] <antmas> I'd go for derpal over both
274: [02:09:06] <irogue_> adrexia: probably a frontend vs backend view
275: [02:09:06] <micmania1> :o the language in hear is atrocious!
276: [02:09:09] <adrexia> the one thing drupal does is have all the modules
277: [02:09:13] <simon_w|work> adrexia, I use WP, and it doesn't do blogging very well any more
278: [02:09:30] <micmania1> here* :(
279: [02:09:30] <irogue_> WP is so damn difficult to write custom code for
280: [02:09:39] <adrexia> irogue_, the backend of drupal is nasty
281: [02:09:47] <adrexia> so no saving graces there either
282: [02:09:57] <adrexia> the frontend is pretty damn bad too
283: [02:10:06] <simon_w|work> "I'd be interested in where the current performance bottlenecks are in core." Good thing the person that wrote the bottlenecks is answering the questions then.
284: [02:10:11] <irogue_> adrexia: I hear its gotten worse - I haven't used it since Drupal 6
285: [02:10:16] <adrexia> and the UX of the whole thing is a tangled web of poo
286: [02:10:37] <irogue_> UX of drupal's admin was always my biggest gripe
287: [02:11:08] <antmas> derpal was the first one I learned
288: [02:11:09] <antmas> and then Magento
289: [02:11:09] * antmas shudders
290: [02:11:09] <adrexia> irogue_, I think the problem is that is doesn't scale well
291: [02:11:09] <adrexia> the more functionality you chuck at it, the worse it gets
292: [02:11:28] <adrexia> the architecture is just... weird
293: [02:11:30] <irogue_> my first cms/framework was phpNuke ^_^
294: [02:11:32] <micmania1> like content blocks? :p
295: [02:11:39] <adrexia> But I'm trying to give it a chance
296: [02:11:46] <zippy> wooohooo! 4 hours in, and I have my sass compiling and I have made a login page. fuck today is awesome!
297: [02:12:01] <irogue_> zippy: sounds like you need a frontender
298: [02:12:24] <zippy> irogue_: or stop trying new stuff all the time
299: [02:12:26] <adrexia> I think its not clear enough where to do things or how thingsa are related
300: [02:12:46] <adrexia> I do this stuff for a living, and I can't find stuff. that's a pretty special level of dumb
301: [02:12:47] * antmas forgot to set --global http proxy
302: [02:13:07] <adrexia> zippy if we stopped we'd be useless
303: [02:13:18] <simon_w|work> adrexia, Cam will say you just need to be trained
304: [02:13:28] <adrexia> tech moves on. those who don't, well... I wouldn't want to be them
305: [02:13:56] <adrexia> simon_w|work, in Drupal?
306: [02:14:11] <zippy> adrexia: even fortran devs still get jobs... so...
307: [02:14:28] <simon_w|work> adrexia, well, that's his solution to everything that isn't simple to use in SS
308: [02:15:06] <adrexia> training is useful - but I'm a really fast learner. If I can't learn why you did somethign or where I would find stuff within a few hours/days etc then its a fail
309: [02:15:32] <adrexia> zippy - fortran never moved on - frontend is a fast flowing river
310: [02:15:48] <adrexia> simon_w|work, its poor UX
311: [02:16:04] <adrexia> but UX isn't Cam's job
312: [02:16:27] <adrexia> he's just doing the ambulance at the bottom of the cliff thing
313: [02:16:49] <antmas> adrexia: a few days is a lot
314: [02:16:57] <adrexia> antmas - I *know*
315: [02:17:15] <antmas> I find if I can't work it out in an hour tops, I'm doing something very wrong
316: [02:17:16] <adrexia> ...and yet I still don't get hwewre things come from in drupal
317: [02:17:28] <antmas> adrexia: lol yes
318: [02:17:29] <adrexia> antmas - well *someone* is
319: [02:17:43] <antmas> adrexia: indeed :)
320: [02:17:51] <micmania1> PyroCMS is the same - its just blurgh!
321: [02:17:54] <adrexia> I'd say minutes usually - but I'm willing to say complex systems do require sopme degree of learning
322: [02:20:10] <adrexia> the best systems just make that process less painful
323: [02:20:50] <antmas> Magento made me rage more than Jword
324: [02:20:53] <antmas> tbh
325: [02:21:14] <simon_w|work> Interestingly, I've come across cases where SilverStripe's CMS's UX is poor
326: [02:21:20] <simon_w|work> The publish button.
327: [02:21:21] <micmania1> The magento db structure amazes me.
328: [02:21:23] <UncleCheese> no way!
329: [02:21:39] <adrexia> simon_w|work, Silverstripe is far from perfect
330: [02:21:47] <UncleCheese> if your only criteron is ux, silverstripe is not for you
331: [02:21:50] <simon_w|work> Why does Save on somethings make it show up, but on others nothing changes?
332: [02:21:57] <adrexia> and many devs don't really think about ux when they add yet anotehr tab
333: [02:22:01] <simon_w|work> UncleCheese, "The CMS you already know how to use"
334: [02:22:09] * UncleCheese didn't write that
335: [02:22:17] <adrexia> but, yeah, this is a whole nother level
336: [02:22:23] <Colin[pi]> <antmas> Magento made me rage more than Jword
337: [02:22:27] <UncleCheese> nother is a whole nother word
338: [02:22:31] <Colin[pi]> ^ wow that must be a special kind of rage
339: [02:22:45] <antmas> Colin[pi]: tbf it was a really old version
340: [02:22:47] <adrexia> UncleCheese, unless your choice is drupal or silverstripe - then it most certainly *is*
341: [02:22:52] <antmas> it was mostly the modules
342: [02:23:02] <antmas> and how hard they tried to make it wysiwyg
343: [02:23:13] <UncleCheese> adrexia i agree.. i think a big problem with a developer driven cms is that devs get to basically do UX
344: [02:23:20] <adrexia> agree
345: [02:23:25] <UncleCheese> and you end up with ex-tabaganza
346: [02:23:43] * simon_w|work does spew up in his mouth a little when reading the copy on the new SS site
347: [02:23:45] <adrexia> all I have is gridfield so I'll gridfield all the things!
348: [02:24:01] <UncleCheese> to the shock of ... no one, simon_w|work
349: [02:24:27] * Ryan-Toast quit (Quit: Ryan-Toast)
350: [02:24:43] <simon_w|work> "Driven by the community, backed by SilverStripe Ltd." is also rather amusing
351: [02:24:53] <adrexia> but I think Silverstripe makes it easy enough to do semi good UX so lkong as you make an effort
352: [02:24:59] <UncleCheese> backed by the community, driven by SS ltd?
353: [02:25:02] <Colin[pi]> adrexia: +1
354: [02:25:07] <antmas> adrexia: +1
355: [02:25:17] <simon_w|work> UncleCheese, "Driven by out clients, back by us."
356: [02:25:18] <ss23> UncleCheese: Shorten it futher, "Driven by SS ltd"
357: [02:25:21] <Colin[pi]> it's pretty easy with some forethought really
358: [02:25:21] <UncleCheese> the best workflows i've been a part of is where you have a ux guy draw up the idea admin
359: [02:25:28] <UncleCheese> ideal *
360: [02:25:32] <UncleCheese> and the dev can create it
361: [02:25:45] <adrexia> Colin[pi], some thigns are - some things not so much
362: [02:25:51] <adrexia> cf advanced workflow
363: [02:25:53] <Colin[pi]> mm
364: [02:25:55] <UncleCheese> within the limitations of the SS paradigm of course... lots of " grid field just doesn't do that" conversations
365: [02:26:04] <antmas> oh god advancedworkflow
366: [02:26:11] * antmas pops
367: [02:26:11] <adrexia> doing complex things in the cms requires a lot of custom dev
368: [02:26:21] <Colin[pi]> yeah it's like anything really, stick to the paradigm, all is happy... try to do something different... KABOOM
369: [02:26:54] <Colin[pi]> adrexia: I tried to create my own LeftAndMain once..... I... I don't like to talk about that anymore
370: [02:27:03] <Colin[pi]> it's..... too painful
371: [02:27:04] <UncleCheese> adrexia the dupal UX is horrific, but my understanding is that D7 changed all that
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373: [02:27:16] <adrexia> so if you need a has_many and gridfield doesn't really fit, what do you do? most go ahead and use it anyway
374: [02:27:17] <antmas> when did D7 come out?
375: [02:27:19] <micmania1> Colin[pi]: I remember the first time I done that. And the second :|
376: [02:27:35] <simon_w|work> adrexia, ComplexTableField!
377: [02:27:40] <adrexia> Colin[pi] I have. its a bit painful, yeah
378: [02:27:57] <UncleCheese> when i was shopping for a CMS and eventually landed on SS, i remember someone showed me Drupal and promised i'd fall in love with it.. and the first thing i heard out of his mouth was something like, "What's the ID of the node you want to create for this story"
379: [02:27:57] <adrexia> UncleCheese, it didn't
380: [02:28:02] <adrexia> it really really didn't
381: [02:28:06] <UncleCheese> and i was just like, fuck you and your fucked up nomenclature
382: [02:28:16] <adrexia> but they say D8 will
383: [02:28:18] <Colin[pi]> UncleCheese: lol wow
384: [02:28:23] <adrexia> I live in hope
385: [02:28:37] <UncleCheese> what happened to that d7ux site?
386: [02:28:39] <UncleCheese> it was so good
387: [02:28:42] <simon_w|work> adrexia, I still live in hope SS3 will get a decent CMS :p
388: [02:28:48] <Colin[pi]> UncleCheese: I've just inherited a drupal site/db that I'm porting to SS... it's...... interesting in there
389: [02:28:50] <UncleCheese> here it is
390: [02:28:50] <UncleCheese> http://www.d7ux.org/
391: [02:29:07] <antmas> lol
392: [02:29:16] <UncleCheese> D7 never came out!?
393: [02:29:20] <adrexia> hahaha
394: [02:29:23] <adrexia> it did
395: [02:29:25] <UncleCheese> dude.. seriously
396: [02:29:27] <UncleCheese> oh
397: [02:29:34] <UncleCheese> but the redux didn't happen
398: [02:29:36] <adrexia> its not very different ux wise form D6
399: [02:29:41] <antmas> doesn't derpal have a big presence in AU?
400: [02:29:50] <adrexia> antmas yes
401: [02:29:51] <Colin[pi]> antmas: huge
402: [02:29:58] <antmas> hmmm
403: [02:30:00] <antmas> why?
404: [02:30:10] <antmas> govt?
405: [02:30:21] <Colin[pi]> antmas: a lot of govt uses it yeah
406: [02:30:56] <Colin[pi]> then I lost a client last year because they "heard derpress was awesome and didn't know much about this silverlight thingy"
407: [02:31:08] <antmas> silverlight
408: [02:31:12] <antmas> :|
409: [02:31:13] <Colin[pi]> yeah lol
410: [02:31:30] <antmas> I did hear stripesoft a little while ago
411: [02:31:32] <Colin[pi]> I mean light, stripe... they're virtually the same word
412: [02:32:52] <irogue_> drupal had quite a lot of the govt sites in NZ, pre-CWP
413: [02:33:03] <UncleCheese> adrexia how does drupal's acclaimed package management system compare to SS's addons?
414: [02:33:13] <Colin[pi]> sometimes I think maybe I'm biased from using SS for a while... and then I look at backend code for derpress, derpal etc. and I'm like "Oh. Ohhhhh."
415: [02:33:26] <UncleCheese> +1
416: [02:33:43] <UncleCheese> the_post()
417: [02:33:45] <irogue_> wp_do_some_shit_good_luck_remembering_this_function_name()
418: [02:33:49] <UncleCheese> hahahahaha
419: [02:33:51] <UncleCheese> totally!
420: [02:33:54] <Colin[pi]> irogue_: ugh
421: [02:33:58] <ss23> Guys
422: [02:34:01] <Blacklite> i've spent about 3 hours fixing wp's pagination function
423: [02:34:03] <Blacklite> today
424: [02:34:03] <ss23> What if we reverse engineer THE LOOP?
425: [02:34:11] <ss23> woop woop
426: [02:34:19] <Blacklite> they use loops like this:
427: [02:34:19] <Blacklite> for ( $n = 1; $n <= $total; $n++ ) :
428: [02:34:25] <Blacklite> and endif; endfor; etc
429: [02:34:27] <micmania1> You can’t reverse engineer the loop. The loop reverse engineers you.
430: [02:34:33] <ss23> I AM THE LOOP
431: [02:34:47] <Colin[pi]> antmas: http://www.computerworld.com.au/article/544726/australian_government_likely_standardise_drupal/
432: [02:34:54] <adrexia> UncleCheese, not sure, but the idea of it is counter to my sense o0f order and control
433: [02:35:03] <UncleCheese> gotcha
434: [02:35:07] <UncleCheese> but there's a UI for it?
435: [02:35:11] <antmas> AGIMO
436: [02:35:23] <Blacklite> $page_links[] = "<a class='page-numbers' href='" . esc_url( apply_filters( 'paginate_links', $link ) ) . "'>" . $args['before_page_number'] . number_format_i18n( $n ) . $args['after_page_number'] . "</a>";
437: [02:35:25] <antmas> did it go live?
438: [02:35:27] <Blacklite> "code is poetry" my ass
439: [02:35:29] <adrexia> irogue_, looks like a drupal function name
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441: [02:35:56] <Colin[pi]> antmas: http://www.zdnet.com/australian-govt-signs-four-year-deal-with-acquia-for-govcms-7000033655/
442: [02:36:08] <stojg> oh, the loop and the_post(), after 6 years of mainly working with SS, I repressed WP idiosyncrasies
443: [02:36:11] <Colin[pi]> so there you go, that's our "CWP"
444: [02:36:13] <adrexia> most sites I work on have turned it off
445: [02:36:32] <micmania1> I like how the wordpress docs call php functions ‘template tags’
446: [02:36:32] <Blacklite> wow sorry i may have just lagged.. a lot
447: [02:36:40] <antmas> Colin[pi]: big contract
448: [02:36:44] <Colin[pi]> antmas: god yes
449: [02:36:46] <antmas> lots of monies
450: [02:36:56] <Colin[pi]> yep
451: [02:37:11] <stojg> micmania1: well, there are not wrong per se since .. you know.. hypertext preproceessor
452: [02:37:26] <micmania1> well, I suppose.
453: [02:37:35] <antmas> 'tags'
454: [02:37:43] <antmas> ugggh
455: [02:38:00] * antmas looks at a sharepoint template
456: [02:38:29] * antmas sheds a single tear
457: [02:38:50] <Colin[pi]> antmas: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xo1_R9S9Ya4
458: [02:39:47] <antmas> lol
459: [02:40:12] <antmas> someone is giving away a tramampoline at work
460: [02:40:18] <antmas> TRAMAMPOLINE
461: [02:40:44] <antmas> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=il8Q5ZoJELQ
462: [02:41:10] <stojg> TRAMPOLINE!
463: [02:41:32] <antmas> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFpwgXCwMNQ
464: [02:41:55] <Ryan-Toast> I love trampolines.
465: [02:42:02] <Ryan-Toast> I’m good at trampoline
466: [02:42:16] <Ryan-Toast> They’re opening a Jump next year in takapuna :D
467: [02:42:46] <antmas> who doesn't love trampolines?
468: [02:42:49] <irogue_> Hamilton has the largest in the country, apparently
469: [02:42:50] <irogue_> http://www.stuff.co.nz/waikato-times/news/10555281/Trampoline-park-bounces-into-action
470: [02:43:00] <antmas> dat pun
471: [02:43:11] <Ryan-Toast> irogue_: same company
472: [02:43:15] <Ryan-Toast> Jump!
473: [02:43:16] <irogue_> yup
474: [02:43:21] <irogue_> is twice the size of hte Auckland one tho
475: [02:43:31] <antmas> they must be doing something right
476: [02:44:03] <Ryan-Toast> irogue_: I go to the one in Auckland all the time: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfnRdq_YuVE&hd=1
477: [02:44:08] <stojg> Ryan-Toast: I hope you have that on your linkedin profile: "I’m good at trampoline"
478: [02:44:20] <Ryan-Toast> stojg: it’s the only thing on my CV
479: [02:44:24] <antmas> hahaha
480: [02:44:47] <Ryan-Toast> Probs why my job… has it’s ups and downs.
481: [02:44:48] <antmas> Ryan-Toast: 10/10 for wearing a necklace outside your top
482: [02:45:02] * irogue_ looks up the address for jump hamilton
483: [02:45:48] <irogue_> heh
484: [02:45:51] <irogue_> my guess was right
485: [02:45:54] <irogue_> is the old Placemakers
486: [02:46:27] <zippy> <Ryan-Toast> Probs why my job… has it’s ups and downs. - hahaha
487: [02:46:38] <Ryan-Toast> *puts on sunglasses
488: [02:47:23] <zippy> (☞゚ヮ゚)☞
489: [02:47:52] <antmas> I should go to the melbourne grand prix
490: [02:47:55] <antmas> so tempted
491: [02:48:03] <Ryan-Toast> ԅ(≖‿≖ԅ)
492: [02:48:38] <zippy> antmas: don't you have a kid?
493: [02:48:44] <zippy> where do you get this free time???
494: [02:48:46] <antmas> zippy: mm
495: [02:48:53] <antmas> zippy: annual leave :D
496: [02:49:23] <antmas> it's only a weekend too
497: [02:50:23] <camfindlay> question - if I were to put together some better information about the intended uses for uservoice, github and the dev list with regards to better discussion of features where would be a good place on SilverStripe.org for this to live so that people could find it easy?
498: [02:53:55] <Ryan-Toast> camfindlay: you should as ss23, he loves docs.
499: [02:54:39] <glenn-bautista> http://www.silverstripe.org/community/ , but it looks like that info is mostly there already.
500: [02:54:53] <antmas> camfindlay: depending on what the info *is* then I'd say the /community page
501: [02:55:04] <antmas> but yeah, it kinda is already there?
502: [02:57:20] <camfindlay> it would be more specific info about the differences in the type of conversations - ie when to raise stuff on dev list vs a github issue, what type conversations are best had at uservoice etc
503: [02:57:25] <antmas> zippy: lol you see this? http://www.stuff.co.nz/nelson-mail/news/10619401/Man-arrested-for-Richmond-gun-scare
504: [02:58:05] <antmas> camfindlay: maybe on the get social page?
505: [02:58:34] <camfindlay> true, the contribute page
506: [02:59:16] <antmas> camfindlay: sorry yeah, meant that page :P not the section
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508: [03:03:20] <zippy> antmas: nop
509: [03:04:09] <zippy> lol
510: [03:04:35] <zippy> summer is coming so the weirdos show up
511: [03:04:38] <zippy> fuck i feel like a beer
512: [03:04:55] <Ryan-Toast> zippy: that must be an odd sensation.
513: [03:05:33] <antmas> zippy: it's odd eh, the heat does bring the dearos out from hiding
514: [03:05:55] <zippy> Ryan-Toast: ?
515: [03:05:59] <Ryan-Toast> antmas: I think heat just does weird things to people.
516: [03:06:18] <zippy> antmas: been pretty warm last few days
517: [03:06:24] <Ryan-Toast> antmas: I know every year I get a little crazy if it’s too hot to sleep.
518: [03:07:17] <antmas> zippy: yeah dude, this time last week ish I would have had the fire going
519: [03:07:26] <antmas> Ryan-Toast: and yeah I can't stand heat when sleeping
520: [03:08:36] <antmas> so good https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXPQR22UwO0
521: [03:08:59] <UncleCheese> here's an idea
522: [03:09:05] <UncleCheese> a crowd funding site for trolls
523: [03:09:07] <UncleCheese> TrollFund
524: [03:09:18] <UncleCheese> and basically everyone tells each other how shit their ideas are
525: [03:09:23] <antmas> UncleCheese: so, kickstarter?
526: [03:09:35] <UncleCheese> no, not that nasty
527: [03:09:38] <UncleCheese> more mild
528: [03:10:13] <Ryan-Toast> Digging my ed sheeran remixes lately. Weird.
529: [03:10:54] <antmas> haven't found any good elec stuff for a while
530: [03:11:21] <UncleCheese> jury is still out on ed sheeran, but holy christ can that guy write a hook
531: [03:11:40] <Ryan-Toast> antmas: besides the hands up in the air biz, I enjoy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kr8lVLpqQsc
532: [03:11:44] <antmas> yeah I like his writing, just not the music
533: [03:12:02] <Ryan-Toast> Unclecheese: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UqJfS2mihm4&list=PL016DF490B141ECBD&index=5
534: [03:12:13] <antmas> Ryan-Toast: yeah not bad
535: [03:12:38] <Ryan-Toast> EDM is in a transition period atm.
536: [03:12:52] <Ryan-Toast> It’s going to take one DJ to steer mainstream to it’s next location.
537: [03:13:16] <Ryan-Toast> Wouldn’t be surprised if we see some more hardhouse come back this summer.
538: [03:13:29] <zippy> Paul Van Dyk!
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541: [03:15:51] <antmas> oh god hardhouse
542: [03:16:29] <antmas> dubstep is over
543: [03:16:30] <antmas> for now
544: [03:16:49] <antmas> that happened a while ago though, I suppose
545: [03:17:59] <Ryan-Toast> dubstep can go back to it’s roots. Not 200 bpm stuff that people called dubstep.
546: [03:18:43] <antmas> aka brostep
547: [03:21:35] <antmas> mmm oreos
548: [03:22:06] <pippy> ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
549: [03:23:21] <antmas> later all!
550: [03:23:22] <antmas> o/
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556: [03:34:44] <irogue_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzX1nxpnKZ4
557: [03:57:20] <zippy> a shame you can't use only a few font aweomse icons....
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559: [04:04:53] <PapaBearNZ> ciao for now all... catch you all tomorrow.
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580: [05:12:43] <travis-ci> Change view : https://github.com/silverstripe/silverstripe-framework/compare/bd7f13b3cf1a...3d9fa205fe11
581: [05:12:43] <travis-ci> Build details : http://travis-ci.org/silverstripe/silverstripe-framework/builds/38011276
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583: [05:13:17] <spronk> anyone kno wif you can remove the black border around an ie10 metro <select> drop down?
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585: [05:19:06] <simon_w|work> Stupid Linux
586: [05:19:29] <timezone> inodes getting you down again m8888
587: [05:20:44] <simon_w|work> graphics drivers
588: [05:21:21] <simon_w|work> Is crashing more than my laptop did when it had a melted GPU
589: [05:21:44] <timezone> lol
590: [05:22:19] <Colin[pi]> simon_w|work: then install a different OS :P
591: [05:22:33] <simon_w|work> Colin[pi], Hackintosh would be worse and screw Windows :p
592: [05:23:00] <Colin[pi]> simon_w|work: GO ON, you know you want Windows 8
593: [05:23:13] <simon_w|work> That's what this came with
594: [05:23:20] <Colin[pi]> lol
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596: [05:23:24] <simon_w|work> It lasted until we managed to get the Linux live CD to boot
597: [05:23:32] <simon_w|work> Took a while, cause of graphics drivers
598: [05:23:42] <Colin[pi]> simon_w|work: it gets terrible press but it's really not that bad
599: [05:23:42] <spronk> eugh
600: [05:23:44] <spronk> linux
601: [05:23:44] <spronk> lawl
602: [05:23:49] <spronk> just get a mac
603: [05:23:55] <simon_w|work> Colin[pi], I'm aware of that :p
604: [05:24:01] <simon_w|work> spronk, then I'd have to pay :(
605: [05:24:03] <Colin[pi]> spronk: I caved and installed Win7 on my MBP :(
606: [05:24:12] * Colin[pi] = total n00b at OS X
607: [05:24:25] <spronk> heh
608: [05:24:32] <spronk> you learn it quickly enough bro
609: [05:24:38] <spronk> hmm
610: [05:25:08] <Colin[pi]> spronk: not at my age :(
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612: [05:25:34] <Colin[pi]> spronk: I started all gung ho like AW YISS, OS X IS SWEETR
613: [05:25:37] <Colin[pi]> -R
614: [05:25:48] <Colin[pi]> then like two weeks later, I'm missing my familiar Winblows
615: [05:26:12] <spronk> hmm
616: [05:26:13] <AdriAn_s> hey guys I am using this plugin to restrict access to certain objects https://github.com/nyeholt/silverstripe-restrictedobjects I was just wonding if it can be used on custom dataobjects I create myself?
617: [05:26:14] <spronk> what did you miss/
618: [05:26:37] <Colin[pi]> spronk: some dev progs that I have on windows only for one
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621: [05:27:10] <travis-ci> Change view : https://github.com/silverstripe/silverstripe-framework/compare/3d9fa205fe11...73c52a6eeb1f
622: [05:27:10] <travis-ci> Build details : http://travis-ci.org/silverstripe/silverstripe-framework/builds/38011839
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624: [05:27:15] <Colin[pi]> spronk: and just overall "efficiency" at things
625: [05:27:34] <Colin[pi]> spronk: no doubt with time it would improve, but I DONT HAVE TIME IS THE PROBLEM
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627: [05:28:08] <simon_w|work> AdriAn_s, looks like it
628: [05:28:11] <spronk> heh
629: [05:28:14] <spronk> hmm
630: [05:28:21] <spronk> Colin[pi], are you a heavy winkey+r man?
631: [05:28:44] <Colin[pi]> spronk: a bit, I type into the new start screen for that too
632: [05:28:46] <spronk> yeah
633: [05:29:06] <spronk> i find spotlight is decent except for filesystem
634: [05:29:12] <spronk> alfred.app is better in that regard
635: [05:29:24] <spronk> multi monitor on desktop mac definitely loses out though
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637: [05:30:05] <AdriAn_s> @simon_w|work how does it work, I cant find in the description how to do it? :s
638: [05:30:08] <Colin[pi]> spronk: I really like Win8, I do, I just wish MS would polish a little more
639: [05:30:18] <simon_w|work> AdriAn_s, just add the extension to your DataObject
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641: [05:30:29] <spronk> wtf
642: [05:30:33] <spronk> disconnected :/
643: [05:30:33] <Colin[pi]> that was weird
644: [05:30:37] <Colin[pi]> spronk: I really like Win8, I do, I just wish MS would polish a little more
645: [05:30:43] <spronk> hmm
646: [05:30:45] <spronk> i detest windows 8
647: [05:30:49] <spronk> that start screen thing
648: [05:30:53] <spronk> what a clusterfuck
649: [05:30:56] <timezone> watch out
650: [05:31:00] <timezone> spronk is going to talk tech again
651: [05:31:11] <spronk> lol
652: [05:31:19] <Colin[pi]> spronk: ehh I was used to it after a while
653: [05:31:29] <spronk> it messes with my chi
654: [05:31:31] <timezone> metro is a lot like comic sans, it had a specific use case context when it was designed and was misapplied by market droids
655: [05:31:32] <Colin[pi]> spronk: I actually like it now as a launcher and way to group apps
656: [05:31:33] <timezone> to other domains
657: [05:31:45] <spronk> i think windows 10 will have that sorted though
658: [05:31:53] <Colin[pi]> MS had such an opportunity with Metro, and then blew it in typical fashion
659: [05:32:57] <Colin[pi]> right I'm off for a bit, laters
660: [05:33:02] * Colin[pi] is now known as Colin[pi][a]
661: [05:33:05] <AdriAn_s> I am doing this, but it is not wokring. Object::add_extension('Notice', 'Restrictable'); this is in a config file not the dataobject it self
662: [05:33:17] <timezone> lol
663: [05:33:22] <timezone> fuck i am optimistic
664: [05:33:38] <timezone> using debian and thinking that a 2 year old release of apache might be old enough to be in my distro
665: [05:33:43] <timezone> nope
666: [05:33:46] <timezone> still too new
667: [05:34:40] <timezone> http://www.apachehaus.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=119&Itemid=104 Sept 2012
668: [05:36:35] <simon_w|work> timezone, Nginx and http://www.dotdeb.org/ :p
669: [05:37:00] <timezone> i like nginx a lot but that's not an appropriate solution to this situation
670: [05:37:27] <timezone> i was looking at doing a specific config mod based on a serveralias so the rest of the vhost stanza is the same
671: [05:37:34] <timezone> rather than c&ping the whole thing
672: [05:38:58] <spronk> damnit
673: [05:39:05] <spronk> client complaining about metro IE's black border around drop down menus when open
674: [05:39:07] <spronk> >:(
675: [05:39:24] <spronk> why the fuck are drop downs so hard
676: [05:39:54] <spronk> if you go the js replacement route, you generally fuck up usability on tablets
677: [05:40:30] <spronk> and unless you go with a full lib like bootstrap, you typically only get <select> and not other inputs styled in the same way
678: [05:40:44] <spronk> retrofitting bootstrap doesn't usually work too well on an existing site with existing form styles..
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683: [05:49:12] <AdriAn_s> Can anyone see how to add this restrictions to my own dataobjects?? https://github.com/nyeholt/silverstripe-restrictedobjects
684: [05:49:25] <AdriAn_s> Im sure it simple I just see see it :(
685: [05:50:24] <ss23> AdriAn_s: https://github.com/nyeholt/silverstripe-restrictedobjects#installation
686: [05:50:58] <AdriAn_s> that adds it to Pages and settings but i want it on my own object
687: [05:51:14] <AdriAn_s> I have tried this Object::add_extension('CustomObjectName, 'Restrictable'); but it didnt work
688: [05:51:38] <ss23> Did you do the rebuild after that and things?
689: [05:51:43] <AdriAn_s> yeah
690: [05:51:44] <ss23> I dunno apart from that sorry
691: [05:52:44] <AdriAn_s> grrr. is it becasue I am using ModelAdminExtension to add a tab to edit my objects?
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697: [06:16:16] <wmk> arrrgghh.... this regex..... http://bit.ly/1sQ0CYN
698: [06:16:53] <ss23> rofl wmk
699: [06:33:31] * Kingy is now known as Kingy[a]
700: [06:46:30] * simon_w|work finally figured out why some windows keep moving when he changes workspace
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702: [06:57:48] <simon_w|work> Oops, I shouldn't stil be here
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704: [07:06:51] <Tanger> wmk: haha
705: [07:07:22] <spronk> omg.
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707: [07:07:33] <spronk> people that like regex
708: [07:07:36] <spronk> shoot in face.
709: [07:10:34] <ss23> spronk just hates SCIENCe
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711: [07:14:29] <wmk> spronk, regex is just another tool
712: [07:14:51] <wmk> i like it most when i can avoid it...
713: [07:15:24] <wmk> but when wearing the "my code is elegant" badge... you know....
714: [07:18:20] <Tanger> I gotta admit, I do like my regex
715: [07:18:36] <Tanger> I always do search and replace, or even just searching in my text editor using regex
716: [07:19:03] <Tanger> Relevant: http://xkcd.com/208/
717: [07:20:03] <timezone> i see spronk is talking about technology again
718: [07:20:10] <spronk> :(
719: [07:20:12] <timezone> regeex is good if you remember to use it enough to keep it fresh
720: [07:20:16] <timezone> i couldn't live without it
721: [07:20:16] <spronk> hter
722: [07:20:20] <spronk> :P
723: [07:20:24] * timezone gives spronk a rub
724: [07:20:30] <spronk> regex is horrible
725: [07:20:32] <spronk> its so hard to read
726: [07:20:43] <timezone> practice m888y pot888y
727: [07:20:49] * spronk uses it pretty much daily
728: [07:21:01] <spronk> still hate it
729: [07:21:15] <spronk> maybe when we get nice editors that will give coloured blocks and autocompletions for regex it'll be nice
730: [07:21:20] <spronk> or yknow
731: [07:21:21] <spronk> visual regex
732: [07:21:46] * spronk disappears
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735: [07:24:37] <guci0> Hello World!
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737: [07:27:03] <Robke> hello, is it possible to add grdfield to CustomSiteConfig? :)
738: [07:29:34] * cloph_away is now known as cloph
739: [07:29:41] <wmk> timezone, yup. use it often and it becomes clear.
740: [07:29:52] <wmk> not only regex... most things in life
741: [07:30:04] <timezone> yep
742: [07:30:15] <timezone> the 4 stages of competence are real and they do decay
743: [07:33:50] <Robke> does anyone tried to add Gridfield to CustomSiteConfig? :)
744: [07:34:17] <wmk> aaaaarrrrgggghhhhhh
745: [07:34:35] * Adesso turns on the Bitch switch
746: [07:35:20] <wmk> ?
747: [07:35:42] <Adesso> uhmm.. I ment off
748: [07:36:13] <wmk> is "bitch" just another drum sound? like crash cymbal?
749: [07:36:21] <wmk> bitchchchchchchhchhchchchch
750: [07:37:00] <Adesso> he he .. I think so ;)
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753: [07:47:15] <Fuxo> Robke, yes, no problem to have it in the site config extension
754: [07:48:13] <Robke> can you look at my code?
755: [07:48:33] <Robke> http://pastie.org/9649065
756: [07:48:55] <Robke> as i understand something is wrong with $this->MainSliderImages()p
757: [07:48:58] <Robke> as i understand something is wrong with $this->MainSliderImages()
758: [07:49:06] <Robke> but why?
759: [07:50:08] <Robke> Fuxo: any ideas?
760: [07:50:23] <wmk> The gridfield should have the title of the relation
761: [07:50:34] <wmk> MainSliderImage !== MainSliderImages
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763: [07:51:14] <wmk> Robke, or what is the error / what's not working...
764: [07:51:15] <Fuxo> robke first param shout be 'MainSliderImages'
765: [07:51:38] <Fuxo> *should
766: [07:51:53] <wmk> well if a param shouts to you sth is wrong
767: [07:52:40] <Fuxo> Robke, $recordsField = new GridField('MainSliderImages', ...
768: [07:52:44] <Robke> i dont have error log :/
769: [07:52:50] <Robke> doenst help
770: [07:54:11] <Robke> ok one more question: what kind of relation should i write in MainSliderImage which extends DataObject?
771: [07:54:25] <Fuxo> try to use GridFieldConfig_RelationEditor instead
772: [07:54:31] <Robke> i mean $has_one = CustomSiteConfig => CustomSiteConfig?
773: [07:55:28] <Fuxo> yes
774: [07:55:43] <Robke> ok i have this line :)
775: [07:55:49] <Robke> changed GridFieldConfig_RelationEditor
776: [07:56:00] <Fuxo> although you slider image could be an extension for Image
777: [07:56:05] <Robke> added to new GridField('MainSliderImages'
778: [07:56:09] <Robke> but still nothing :(
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780: [07:57:43] <Robke> hi ocmnt
781: [07:57:52] <ocmnt> howdy!
782: [07:58:18] <Robke> http://pastie.org/9649065 whats wrong in this codde? :d
783: [07:58:23] <Robke> GridDoenst appear :d
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785: [07:58:51] <Fuxo> ah, it does not appear at all?
786: [07:58:59] <Robke> yes
787: [07:59:03] <Robke> i get internal server error
788: [07:59:04] <Robke> :)
789: [07:59:19] <Robke> and i dont have error log :(
790: [07:59:23] <Fuxo> addFieldsToTab requires an array, doesn't it?
791: [07:59:37] <Fuxo> addFieldToTab is for 1 field
792: [07:59:41] <Robke> $this->MainSliderImages()
793: [07:59:43] <Robke> this is array? :)
794: [08:00:08] <wmk> damn.... docs say $largeUp, code says $large-up
795: [08:00:09] <Fuxo> $fields->addFieldsToTab("Root.Main", $recordsField); -> addFieldToTab
796: [08:00:19] <wmk> WTF?!11!
797: [08:01:03] <Fuxo> and also make sure your sliderimage dataobject has forTemplate()
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799: [08:01:58] <Fuxo> I usually use 'Image.CMSThumbnail'=> 'Image' in setDisplayFields
800: [08:02:27] <Robke> :)
801: [08:02:37] <ocmnt> wmk, don trust the docs :D
802: [08:02:59] <wmk> ocmnt, you're absolutely right.
803: [08:03:14] <wmk> seems like that foundation is changing those variable names all the time...?
804: [08:03:26] <ss31noob> hi guys.. adding a flush in the url doesnt work anymore in silverstripe 3.1.6?
805: [08:04:16] <irogue_> ss31noob: it does, but you need to be logged it (it should redirect you to login screen if you're not)
806: [08:04:21] <irogue_> *logged in
807: [08:04:54] <wmk> ss31noob, try ?flush=1
808: [08:05:17] <Fuxo> I use ?flush=all all the time and it does its job
809: [08:05:56] <ss31noob> when i used flush=1 or flush=all.. its having an indefinite loop
810: [08:08:06] <irogue_> ss31noob: is the site in dev mode? do you have display errors on? there may be a hint as to why
811: [08:10:12] <wmk> hmm... seems more i need some coffee or some glasses
812: [08:10:58] <irogue_> why not both?
813: [08:12:03] <wmk> hmmm.... last time i was at the optican he said my eyes are ok.
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815: [08:13:13] <wmk> hey Pymsthk
816: [08:13:22] <Pymsthk> Guten Morgen
817: [08:13:26] <Pymsthk> wmk :)
818: [08:13:48] <ss31noob> irogue_ nothing is being logged in the error log
819: [08:14:18] <wmk> apache error log or ss error log?
820: [08:14:41] <irogue_> kia ora Pymsthk, kei te pehea koe?
821: [08:16:02] <Colin[pi][a]> wat
822: [08:16:05] * Colin[pi][a] is now known as Colin[pi]
823: [08:16:33] <kinglozzer> Colin[pi]: +1
824: [08:17:23] <ss23> irogue_: phakarongomai
825: [08:17:30] <ss23> (I know thats spelled way wrong)
826: [08:17:56] <ss23> ten are koto. Ten are koto. Ten are koto, tamariki, ma.
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828: [08:19:03] <irogue_> ss23: ah, your spelling is so excellent
829: [08:20:02] <Robke> kinglozzer: is possible to add has_many to CustomSiteConfig? :)
830: [08:20:42] <simon_w> Hello, shepple
831: [08:20:55] <ss23> shepple?
832: [08:20:57] <Colin[pi]> WAKE UP SHEPPLE
833: [08:20:58] <ss23> Is that like... Stomach is a sheep?
834: [08:21:08] <irogue_> Robke: I'd expect you can. SiteConfig is a DataObject
835: [08:21:15] <Stomach> I am not a sheep
836: [08:21:16] <ss31noob> ok.. i get the issue with flush.. have something to do with the caching in the server since it also cache the flush token
837: [08:21:18] <Stomach> you're a sheep
838: [08:21:21] <ss23> Stomach: I dunno, you look pretty
839: [08:21:22] * ss23 puts on glasses
840: [08:21:23] <ss23> SHEEPISH
841: [08:21:28] <Pymsthk> are?
842: [08:21:28] <Stomach> LD
843: [08:21:30] <Pymsthk> nga?
844: [08:21:36] <irogue_> ss31noob: what server?
845: [08:21:57] <Pymsthk> [09:17] <@ss23> ten are koto. Ten are koto. Ten are koto, tamariki, ma.
846: [08:22:01] <Pymsthk> which children are you welcoming?
847: [08:22:03] <Robke> irogue_: yeah but logical it shoulb be but i get error :D
848: [08:22:09] <Pymsthk> fuck'n creep :<
849: [08:22:15] <irogue_> Pymsthk: I wondered that too
850: [08:22:20] <ss23> Pymsthk: Hey whichever man, beggars can't be choosers.
851: [08:22:23] <irogue_> but was distracted by the spelling
852: [08:22:25] <ss23> Stomach: I was afraid I'd go AFK for something in the middle of that and it would just be like I'm calling you pretty
853: [08:22:26] <kinglozzer> Robke: Yeah it should be possible. Did you do a has_one in the other direction?
854: [08:22:42] <Stomach> but I am pretty :(
855: [08:22:46] <Stomach> didn't you see my photo
856: [08:22:48] <ss23> Stomach: I'm not saying you're not pretty!
857: [08:22:48] * ss23 blushes
858: [08:22:53] <ss23> I'm just saying I didn't say you were!
859: [08:22:54] * ss23 turns away
860: [08:22:58] <ss23> I mean...
861: [08:22:59] <irogue_> Stomach: your beard is oh so glorious
862: [08:23:00] <ss23> If you want me to say it...
863: [08:23:05] <ss23> Not that I wanna say it!
864: [08:23:15] <Stomach> irogue_ its almost a year :D
865: [08:23:28] <Stomach> in 6 days I will have the oldest beard I have ever had
866: [08:23:37] <ss23> Stomach: Cut it to celebrate
867: [08:23:48] <Colin[pi]> lol
868: [08:23:53] <Stomach> nah cut it off last time
869: [08:23:57] <Stomach> I want it until I have kids
870: [08:24:06] <Stomach> then I'll cut it off once they are like 3
871: [08:24:06] <ss23> Uh
872: [08:24:10] <irogue_> ss31noob: if you don't already have one, create a silverstripe-cache folder and do a /dev/build, see if that helps
873: [08:24:13] <ss23> Are you planning on... doing that some time soon?
874: [08:24:15] <Stomach> and scare the shit out of them
875: [08:24:20] <ss23> Like that could be an open ended plan
876: [08:24:20] <Pymsthk> ss23: te koretare hoki
877: [08:24:22] <Stomach> nope.
878: [08:24:39] <Stomach> yeah well, the beards gonna be around for a while
879: [08:24:48] <ss23> lol
880: [08:24:57] <irogue_> my grandad did that once. has always had beard, shaved it off one day and turned up at my cousin's place (they were little kids)
881: [08:24:57] <Colin[pi]> my gf doesn't like when I have a beard... for... reasons
882: [08:25:13] <irogue_> just walked in the door and into the living room
883: [08:25:24] <ss23> Pymsthk: 分からない
884: [08:25:25] <irogue_> and one of them insta peed herself
885: [08:25:31] <Robke> kinglozzer: i did private static $has_one = array('CustomSiteConfig' => 'CustomSiteConfig');
886: [08:25:49] <Stomach> Robke: you should use a DataExtension
887: [08:26:04] <Stomach> Colin[pi]: met my gf when I had a beard, wooooo
888: [08:26:05] <irogue_> Robke: assuming CustomSiteConfig is a DataExtension, you should be pointing at SiteConfig not CustomSiteConfig
889: [08:26:24] <Colin[pi]> Stomach: luckily no one seemed to twig to what I was saying :D
890: [08:26:29] <irogue_> I did!
891: [08:26:32] <Colin[pi]> ;)
892: [08:26:34] <Robke> http://pastie.org/9649118
893: [08:26:39] <Stomach> Colin[pi]: I just dont go down on her anymore
894: [08:26:39] <simon_w> Colin[pi], mine made me grow one for the wedding
895: [08:26:42] <Stomach> bonus.
896: [08:26:53] <Pymsthk> irogue_: kia ora e hoa
897: [08:27:02] <Colin[pi]> Stomach: oh no no, I meant... kissing... on the mouth.. totally.....
898: [08:27:04] <Colin[pi]> ;)
899: [08:27:28] <Stomach> yeah Robke it should be 'SomeName' => 'SiteConfig',
900: [08:27:43] <irogue_> [21:26] <Stomach> Colin[pi]: I just dont go down on her anymore
901: [08:27:44] <Tanger> Hey guys, can you force a cache flush on DataObject::get() in 3.1?
902: [08:27:49] <irogue_> almost spat my pepsi all over my keyboard
903: [08:28:00] <Stomach> perfect.
904: [08:28:08] <Colin[pi]> that's a success for stomach then lol
905: [08:28:18] <Stomach> Tanger, how are you defining the cache?
906: [08:28:22] <ss23> Stomach: It's fine, she doesn't mind using me as a replacement
907: [08:28:30] <Pymsthk> ss23: you mean wakarimasen.
908: [08:28:45] <ss23> Pymsthk: I SAID WHAT I MEANT
909: [08:28:53] <Pymsthk> Righto.
910: [08:28:54] <ss23> わかたにゃあ~~
911: [08:29:01] <Colin[pi]> uguu~
912: [08:29:08] <ss23> uguu~
913: [08:29:11] <ss23> UGUU!
914: [08:29:14] <Colin[pi]> ss23 senpai is so kawaii
915: [08:29:17] <ss23> ;____;
916: [08:29:22] <ss23> dame~
917: [08:29:24] <Tanger> Stomach: I used DataObject::get_one, which automatically caches apparently. Now any subsequent queries with just ::get() don't seem to match the current DB values
918: [08:29:26] <Pymsthk> wakatanyua
919: [08:29:35] <Pymsthk> RIGHTO ss23 whatevers
920: [08:29:37] <simon_w> Tanger, ::get() isn't cached
921: [08:29:43] <Stomach> Tanger its not cached
922: [08:30:08] <Pymsthk> simon_w: Stomach yeah but he used get_one, which is iirc
923: [08:30:18] <Pymsthk> Tanger: ::get()->byID($id)
924: [08:30:26] <simon_w> get_one() is, but that has no effect on ::get()
925: [08:30:32] <Pymsthk> yep :>
926: [08:30:52] <Pymsthk> so you're wrong Stomach! :P
927: [08:30:57] <Tanger> Fuck, I'm an idiot. Was changing data in DB but I didn't unfocus the row I was editing
928: [08:30:58] <Tanger> My bad
929: [08:31:00] <Tanger> Thanks lol
930: [08:31:08] <Pymsthk> quick, hack the core and make yourself right :P
931: [08:31:26] <Stomach> simon_w you have competition!
932: [08:31:27] <Stomach> http://www.siteground.com/silverstripe-hosting.htm
933: [08:31:29] <Tanger> get ready for a pull request ;)
934: [08:31:53] <Colin[pi]> Tanger: that's what I say to my gf at bed time
935: [08:32:08] <Pymsthk> irogue_: kei te pai ahau. Me koe?
936: [08:32:09] <Tanger> Colin[pi]: Snap!
937: [08:32:10] <irogue_> so... someone in my 'hood seems to be doing laps of the streets at night playing eminem through a megaphone or something
938: [08:32:25] <Colin[pi]> irogue_: sounds like my home town's main street
939: [08:33:20] <simon_w> Stomach, heh, the "see all hosting features and plans »" is a link about shared hosting. Guess what SilverStripe sucks massively on?
940: [08:33:44] <irogue_> Pymsthk: kei te hiamoe
941: [08:33:47] <Stomach> most servers? :P
942: [08:33:58] <irogue_> gotta be honest here
943: [08:34:10] <irogue_> have been impressed with SS on mt's shared hosting
944: [08:35:11] <kinglozzer> simon_w: But... OPTIMISED MYSQL
945: [08:35:14] <kinglozzer> :P
946: [08:35:19] <Stomach> yeah I have got a slow as shit client who bought their own hosting with crazy domains
947: [08:35:22] <Stomach> makes me cry inside
948: [08:35:23] <irogue_> thanks to (a) their load balancing, and (b) having decent CLI access & file ownership so you can do staticpublishing properly
949: [08:35:36] <Pymsthk> irogue_: I really should learn good Maori.
950: [08:35:38] <Pymsthk> :<
951: [08:35:50] <irogue_> Pymsthk: I just have what I remember from school
952: [08:35:57] <Pymsthk> you have more than I do!
953: [08:36:12] <irogue_> Pymsthk: I was one of the only white kids at my primary school :P
954: [08:36:23] <Pymsthk> I remember being quite exposed to Maori, although not directly taught it, at primary school.
955: [08:36:24] <Stomach> e tu! e noho!
956: [08:36:31] <Pymsthk> Stomach: exactly.
957: [08:36:47] <Stomach> you want some kai bro? chur!
958: [08:36:52] <Pymsthk> but as I got older, that disappeared, and I opted for Japanese at college (high school, for you americanised foreigners)
959: [08:36:56] <Stomach> thats maori, right?
960: [08:37:19] <ss23> Similar root languages, Stomach
961: [08:37:41] <Pymsthk> Stomach: 'cōt hunga' - Maori for aerial right?
962: [08:38:46] <Stomach> bahahaha
963: [08:39:16] <irogue_> yeah my intermediate and high school were much... whiter. so I did french (which I remember zero of) at intermediate and german at high school
964: [08:40:49] <ss23> I understand the idea of not losing your heritage, not letting languages die, that kind of thing... but I just have 0 motivation to learn a language like Maori
965: [08:40:55] <ss23> If I want to learn a useless language I'd rather it be Lojban
966: [08:43:25] <simon_w> If I wanted to learn a useless language, I'd learn Java
967: [08:43:45] <irogue_> BOOM
968: [08:43:46] <irogue_> headshot
969: [08:44:23] <ss23> simon_w: Psh, I can think of better useless languages to learn
970: [08:46:28] <irogue_> haskell!
971: [08:47:28] <ss23> 4 days without timesheetin
972: [08:47:30] <ss23> fuck me
973: [08:48:06] * irogue_ fucks ss23
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975: [08:49:09] <irogue_> ss23: we discovered today that Oly basically doesn't know any internets videos
976: [08:49:22] <ss23> Its cause...
977: [08:49:31] <ss23> It's cuaes a lot of people don't. Internet videos were often shared with RL friends, remember
978: [08:49:38] <ss23> People just mean "videos that people my age saw"
979: [08:49:40] <ss23> PRETTY MUCH
980: [08:49:41] <irogue_> https://www.dropbox.com/s/5wwslqbp5mjnwpx/memeattack.png?dl=0 <-- as a result, this happened
981: [08:49:42] <Pymsthk> ss23: I can understand a lack of motivation.
982: [08:49:53] <Pymsthk> but when people say "it's useless, it's a dead language"
983: [08:49:55] <ss23> lol irogue_
984: [08:49:56] <Pymsthk> that fucks me off
985: [08:50:45] <ss23> Pymsthk: Hit them with a spoon and ask them to define "dead" properly
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988: [08:50:57] <ss23> It's useless though
989: [08:51:01] <ss23> I mean, for me
990: [08:51:10] <ss23> Obviously if you wanted to study languages or some shit it could be useful
991: [08:51:17] <Pymsthk> ss23: naw, it's not about the language specifically, it's about the process of learning a language (my arguement for Maori being compulsory in schools)
992: [08:51:26] <Pymsthk> it is heritage, etc. Yes.
993: [08:51:31] <ss23> Fuck heritage
994: [08:51:35] <Pymsthk> It's cultural and part of our identity.
995: [08:51:36] <ss23> As bad as patriotism
996: [08:51:38] <ss23> FUCK THAT
997: [08:51:39] <Pymsthk> but it's not useless.
998: [08:51:44] <ss23> Don't act like it's part of *my* identity
999: [08:51:49] <ss23> If I could, I would strip all that shit out
1000: [08:51:52] <irogue_> we should all just speak I.F. Common tbh
1001: [08:52:14] <Pymsthk> it teaches aspects of linguistics, gives an exposure to culture (promoting tolerance), makes it easier for people to learn other languages, etc.
1002: [08:52:27] <ss23> "Children should learn a language" argument is fine
1003: [08:52:29] <ss23> I agree
1004: [08:52:31] <ss23> I wish I had've
1005: [08:52:45] <ss23> irogue_: no love of lojban?
1006: [08:52:45] <Pymsthk> plus since no one outside NZ really speaks it, you can have secret conversations just about anywhere overseas.
1007: [08:52:51] <irogue_> learning maori would proabably help with learning (spoken) japanese
1008: [08:52:59] <ss23> Pymsthk: You can do the same thing with lojban!
1009: [08:53:06] <Pymsthk> and yes, Maori and Japanese are similar in many ways.
1010: [08:53:08] <ss23> It's just as useless, doesn't have the political baggage etc
1011: [08:53:15] <Pymsthk> fuck your politics.
1012: [08:53:19] <ss23> Fuck your culture.
1013: [08:53:19] <Pymsthk> just care less.
1014: [08:53:21] <Pymsthk> I do.
1015: [08:53:33] * Stomach quit (Quit: Leaving.)
1016: [08:53:36] <ss23> Says the guy promoting learning Maori as part of culture/identiy!
1017: [08:53:40] <ss23> Fuck *that* man
1018: [08:53:40] <Pymsthk> works well, except at election times.
1019: [08:53:42] <ss23> That's some shit I care nothing about
1020: [08:53:56] <ss23> I just pretend to care about politics so I can watch discoursevotes
1021: [08:53:57] <Pymsthk> ss23: no, I'm not promoting it for that reason, although it is for that reason in part.
1022: [08:54:00] <ss23> Then tweet about penises
1023: [08:54:06] <irogue_> [21:54] <@ss23> I just pretend to care about politics so I can watch discoursevotes
1024: [08:54:08] <irogue_> bahaha
1025: [08:54:09] <Pymsthk> it's not specifically about culture and identity and all that.
1026: [08:54:24] <ss23> Pymsthk: It aint about shit nigga, there aint no good reasons for it
1027: [08:54:29] <ss23> Learning a language == good
1028: [08:54:33] <ss23> "YOU MUST LEARN MAORI" == bad
1029: [08:54:47] <Pymsthk> it's a language, learning it is useful, why not since it's endemic to NZ.
1030: [08:54:49] <irogue_> ss23: there's no actual requirement for that, though
1031: [08:54:57] <Pymsthk> ss23: well you ahve to choose one motherfucker.
1032: [08:54:59] <irogue_> like... it's not compulsory to teach maori at school
1033: [08:55:06] <ss23> Pymsthk: LOJBAN, I JUST DID, BITCH
1034: [08:55:13] <Pymsthk> ss23: yeah, and that's fine.
1035: [08:55:14] <irogue_> I just wish *a* second language was compulsory at school, I don't care what it is
1036: [08:55:15] <ss23> irogue_: Yeah, and I'm saying it should never be
1037: [08:55:22] <ss23> mmm
1038: [08:55:28] <Pymsthk> irogue_: I wish it to be Maori because why not.
1039: [08:55:30] <ss23> From intermediate, you have to be doing some kind of language IMO
1040: [08:55:35] <ss23> Pymsthk: BECAUS EIT'S USELESs
1041: [08:55:43] <ss23> If I have to spend time doing shit at school, I'd rather it be useful
1042: [08:56:02] <Pymsthk> ss23: I just gave my exact arguement against that narrow minded point of view.
1043: [08:56:09] <ss23> Pymsthk: No
1044: [08:56:13] <ss23> You gave some bullshit that wasn't relevant
1045: [08:56:13] <Pymsthk> GO TO BED YOU FUCKING RACIST
1046: [08:56:19] <irogue_> going to EU countries (particularly germanic ones) is mind-blowing cos practically everyone speaks 3 languages
1047: [08:56:20] <Pymsthk> ;P
1048: [08:56:24] <ss23> "Oh but Maori is part of our identity" -- doesn't make it not useless
1049: [08:56:30] <Pymsthk> irogue_: indeed.
1050: [08:56:34] <Pymsthk> or _any_ country.
1051: [08:56:37] <ss23> "Oh but learning a language is good!" -- we all agree, DOESN'T MEAN MAORI ISN'T USELESS
1052: [08:56:45] <Pymsthk> because they border on average at least 2 other languages.
1053: [08:56:49] <ss23> Pymsthk: You been talking, but bitch, you ain't been saying shit
1054: [08:59:37] <irogue_> personally I think teaching some basic Maori at primary school (where it's not viable to offer choice of language) makes sense. sets up the basis for learning a language of one's choice later on, and it's probably one of the less politically dangerous one to force kids to learn, because we can at least give some justification for it (it being an official language)
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1059: [09:00:02] <Pymsthk> indeed.
1060: [09:00:02] <irogue_> e.g. imagine the outrage if we were to make teaching mandarin compulsory
1061: [09:00:07] <ss23> irogue_: yo u hatin on lojban?
1062: [09:00:07] <Pymsthk> I learnt sign at school too.
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1064: [09:00:18] <Pymsthk> ss23: link or it's not a real language.
1065: [09:00:29] <ss23> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lojban
1066: [09:00:33] <ss23> srsly you haven't heard of it?
1067: [09:00:36] <Pymsthk> NZSL bitch, come at me.
1068: [09:00:40] <irogue_> ss23: I'm not. Just good luck convincing politicians to do that, and teachers would have to learn it first
1069: [09:00:57] <Pymsthk> ss23: sounds a lot like Esperento.
1070: [09:01:04] <Pymsthk> just learn that instead, fuck'n hipster.
1071: [09:01:07] <ss23> Pymsthk: Not quite
1072: [09:01:12] <irogue_> Pymsthk: similar concept, better implemented
1073: [09:01:29] <ss23> Esperanto was created from the existing langauges, this one was created to be good from the start, and just borrow phonetics etc from existing stuff
1074: [09:01:37] <ss23> It's kind of like the difference between C++ and Go I guess
1075: [09:01:40] <Pymsthk> ss23: no it wasn't really.
1076: [09:01:41] <ss23> Go is nice from the beginning
1077: [09:01:45] <ss23> C++ is "LETS TAKE C AND FUCK SHIT UP"
1078: [09:01:58] <irogue_> yeah
1079: [09:02:02] * irogue_ growls toward C++
1080: [09:02:08] <Pymsthk> It uses <aspects> from existing languages.
1081: [09:02:19] <Pymsthk> but so will lojban
1082: [09:02:22] <ss23> Pymsthk: Point is, Esperanto is for bitches, Lojban is good
1083: [09:02:29] <Pymsthk> being that they're fundamental to linguistics.
1084: [09:02:58] <ss23> 22:00:37 < Pymsthk> NZSL bitch, come at me.
1085: [09:03:02] <ss23> nzsl still probably more useful than maori
1086: [09:03:05] <Pymsthk> oooh
1087: [09:03:24] <irogue_> would agree actually
1088: [09:03:29] <Pymsthk> Lojban is the Ruby to Esperento as Python. I get it now.
1089: [09:03:37] <ss23> Pymsthk: o.o
1090: [09:03:40] <ss23> How...? what?
1091: [09:03:41] <Pymsthk> thanks for straightening that out for me wiki!
1092: [09:03:42] <Pymsthk> #
1093: [09:03:49] <irogue_> cos there are people who can only 'speak' NZSL. there's probably about 10 people left who can only speak Maori and not English
1094: [09:04:25] * Robke quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
1095: [09:05:11] <Pymsthk> irogue_: I learnt nzsl in school. Did you not?
1096: [09:05:19] <Pymsthk> I mean, I remember fuck all of it these days, sadly.
1097: [09:05:31] <Pymsthk> the worst part I find is that there is actually FUCK ALL info about it on the interwebs.
1098: [09:05:44] <Pymsthk> a couple of 'come here to learn courses on it', which is fucking useless.
1099: [09:05:45] <irogue_> http://nzsl.vuw.ac.nz/signs/4273
1100: [09:05:59] <irogue_> Pymsthk: nope, did not
1101: [09:06:08] <Pymsthk> there's no online resource for learning (there are a few semi-decent ones that have appeared in the last few years, but still... not ideal)
1102: [09:06:24] <simon_w> Pymsthk, VUW has put a lot of effort into online NZSL stuff recently
1103: [09:06:29] <irogue_> I do know that NZSL is way cooler than ASL
1104: [09:06:38] <Pymsthk> simon_w: yeah, I've noticed that since about 2 years back.
1105: [09:06:45] <irogue_> cos all its signs are super crude
1106: [09:06:53] <Pymsthk> irogue_: yeah, super agreed.
1107: [09:07:01] <irogue_> http://nzsl.vuw.ac.nz/signs/4181
1108: [09:07:07] <Pymsthk> it's based on BSL, but different again.
1109: [09:07:08] * Fuxo is writing c++ right now :-)
1110: [09:07:12] <Pymsthk> same with aussie.
1111: [09:07:14] <irogue_> but so good, cos we can all totally understand them!
1112: [09:07:45] <irogue_> watching that guy do them with a straight face too...
1113: [09:07:49] <Pymsthk> American, just like everything american, is based on English, but modified heavily JUST SO THEY CAN BE DIFFERENT BECAUSE FUCK YOU ENGLAND or something
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1115: [09:08:32] <irogue_> OH GOD
1116: [09:08:37] <irogue_> this reminds me of that church sign language video
1117: [09:09:10] <irogue_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QReUbe4kp-o
1118: [09:09:28] <Pymsthk> oh gawd, I need headphones
1119: [09:09:46] * Pymsthk reaches into draw
1120: [09:09:49] <Pymsthk> comedy get at me!
1121: [09:10:32] <Pymsthk> hahahahaha
1122: [09:12:03] <Tanger> GRAY! COLOR! 'meriCAN
1123: [09:13:01] <irogue_> hmmm
1124: [09:13:13] <irogue_> has anyone made a css preprocessor that lets you write stuff with correct spelling?
1125: [09:13:25] <ss23> Why?
1126: [09:13:27] <ss23> That's useless
1127: [09:13:57] <kinglozzer> irogue_: I'm sure I've seen one somewhere
1128: [09:14:47] <Pymsthk> ss23: like lojban
1129: [09:14:51] * irogue_ schedules a call to SS at 8am
1130: [09:14:58] <ss23> Pymsthk: Trudat, there's a reason I haven't done it
1131: [09:15:00] <ss23> irogue_: ;_;
1132: [09:15:00] * Pymsthk is totally ringing after work.
1133: [09:15:02] <ss23> irogue_: fuck youuuuuuuuuuu
1134: [09:15:11] <Pymsthk> what is number?
1135: [09:15:13] <kinglozzer> irogue_, ss23, Pymsthk http://www.method.org.uk/165/the-queen's-css.html
1136: [09:15:19] * zippy has joined #silverstripe
1137: [09:15:23] <ss23> I blmae zippy
1138: [09:15:24] <ss23> ohshit
1139: [09:15:25] <ss23> um
1140: [09:15:26] <ss23> ignore
1141: [09:15:26] <kinglozzer> The website is gone :(
1142: [09:15:41] <zippy> was me!
1143: [09:15:45] <ss23> :D
1144: [09:15:49] <ss23> FUCK TIMESHEETING
1145: [09:15:51] <ss23> SO HARD
1146: [09:15:54] <ss23> WHAT DID I DO YESTERDAY
1147: [09:15:58] <ss23> I have a single item in it
1148: [09:16:00] <Pymsthk> fuck all
1149: [09:16:08] <Pymsthk> time for eggs
1150: [09:16:10] <Pymsthk> bitches
1151: [09:16:11] <irogue_> http://youtu.be/vKkh5eK0Vpo?t=1m57s
1152: [09:16:31] <Pymsthk> "Celebrate your well-spelt stylesheets with some tea and scones."
1153: [09:16:36] <Pymsthk> +points for 'spelt'
1154: [09:16:41] <Pymsthk> :D
1155: [09:16:49] <zippy> ss23: you still on call?
1156: [09:16:55] <irogue_> "spiffing css"
1157: [09:16:56] <irogue_> awesome name
1158: [09:16:56] <ss23> zippy: ... ... ... yes.
1159: [09:17:09] <zippy> that the normal land line number? :D
1160: [09:17:14] <ss23> NO
1161: [09:17:15] <ss23> GO AWYA
1162: [09:17:17] <ss23> GO AWAY
1163: [09:17:44] <spronk2> tractorcow removed this from the 3.2 alpha 1 milestone 2 hours ago
1164: [09:17:45] <spronk2> woohoo
1165: [09:17:56] <zippy> removed wot?
1166: [09:18:06] <zippy> isn't there a service you can use to schedule calls
1167: [09:18:13] <zippy> must be an api somewhere like for sms messages
1168: [09:18:18] <Pymsthk> kinglozzer: spiffingcss.com - do you want to buy this domain? LOLBL
1169: [09:18:19] <ss23> lol spronk2
1170: [09:18:21] * irogue_ wonders what the Auckland number does after hours
1171: [09:18:30] <irogue_> since during hours it rings in wellington :P
1172: [09:19:00] <irogue_> and, y'know, is an 04 number
1173: [09:19:05] <ss23> no testing.
1174: [09:19:10] <ss23> you'll be fired.
1175: [09:19:12] <ss23> confirmed 100%
1176: [09:19:22] <kinglozzer> Pymsthk: https://github.com/visualidiot/Spiffing/blob/master/spiffing.php
1177: [09:19:29] <kinglozzer> PHP PREPROCESSED CSS FTW
1178: [09:19:52] <irogue_> I love that the Auckland office doesn't actually have a phone number
1179: [09:19:55] <kinglozzer> Hahaha "plump" => "bold"
1180: [09:20:04] <kinglozzer> font-weight: plump
1181: [09:21:11] <spronk2> zippy: the namespaces thing
1182: [09:21:17] <spronk2> no explanation or anything
1183: [09:21:18] <spronk2> just
1184: [09:21:19] <irogue_> err
1185: [09:21:19] <spronk2> removed.
1186: [09:21:29] <irogue_> I don't like transparency => opacity
1187: [09:21:37] <irogue_> they're opposites
1188: [09:21:45] <kinglozzer> Yeah :/
1189: [09:21:59] <Pymsthk> kinglozzer: but grey/gray is already a thing!
1190: [09:22:00] <irogue_> transparency 0.2 should be the same as opacity 0.8
1191: [09:22:06] <spronk2> jaja
1192: [09:22:16] <Pymsthk> irogue_: yeah, a lot of these are just being a twat
1193: [09:22:24] <ss23> no matter waht you define care: as it's always 0
1194: [09:22:26] <Pymsthk> the main 2 that get me are centre and colour
1195: [09:22:47] <irogue_> some people came over to visit my neighbours
1196: [09:22:51] <Pymsthk> spronk2: 'removed' or closed without reason?
1197: [09:22:56] <irogue_> at 10pm
1198: [09:22:58] <spronk2> its still open
1199: [09:22:59] <spronk2> just
1200: [09:23:00] <spronk2> removed from 3.2 milestone
1201: [09:23:03] <Pymsthk> ah
1202: [09:23:04] <spronk2> with no explanation
1203: [09:23:04] <spronk2> :p
1204: [09:23:05] <irogue_> and they're having a big ol' chat in the driveway
1205: [09:23:10] <spronk2> ss23: INSIER INFO PLZ
1206: [09:23:42] <ss23> fucking as irogue_ not me!
1207: [09:23:43] <ss23> shit
1208: [09:23:48] <irogue_> lol
1209: [09:23:51] <ss23> irogue_ works in the same office as mooman and hamish ;_;
1210: [09:23:52] <ss23> I don't hear shit
1211: [09:24:01] <spronk2> are they in akl?
1212: [09:24:04] * spronk2 has no idea
1213: [09:24:05] <irogue_> yeh
1214: [09:24:14] <spronk2> i just assume you’re all one big blob of silverstripeness
1215: [09:24:21] <irogue_> lol
1216: [09:24:29] <irogue_> really, really not
1217: [09:24:50] <spronk2> .. you aren’t part of the blob? :(
1218: [09:24:52] <irogue_> not even counting AU, silverstripe people work in 4 different offices?
1219: [09:25:17] <spronk2> offices / blob / same thing
1220: [09:25:34] <irogue_> ss wgtn is like a ghost town sometimes
1221: [09:26:26] <spronk2> oh?
1222: [09:26:29] <spronk2> probably ss23’s smell
1223: [09:26:46] <ss23> spronk2: Hey, my smells attract, not drive away!
1224: [09:26:51] <ss23> I mean, look at all the flies by me
1225: [09:26:53] <ss23> Obviously I smell good
1226: [09:26:54] <spronk2> haha
1227: [09:27:07] <irogue_> trying to find shit on google maps satellite view is so difficult these days
1228: [09:27:14] <ss23> o.o
1229: [09:27:14] <irogue_> they mustve just given up on updating them
1230: [09:27:15] <ss23> Why?
1231: [09:27:16] <spronk2> mm..
1232: [09:27:44] <zippy> namespaces + remove yaml + folder restructure = 4.0, drop support for 3.0 = boom done!!
1233: [09:27:44] <spronk2> ugh wtf
1234: [09:27:47] <spronk2> xbmc UI keeps flickering
1235: [09:28:25] <irogue_> https://goo.gl/maps/3JA5f
1236: [09:28:30] <irogue_> this is a motorway that was finished in 2010
1237: [09:28:44] <ss23> oh yeah, I see
1238: [09:28:48] <ss23> Wellington is out of date too
1239: [09:29:00] <wmk> is there a way to pass $ThemeDir to <% require javascript ??
1240: [09:29:04] <spronk2> chch isn’t too bad
1241: [09:29:09] <ss23> lol
1242: [09:30:44] <irogue_> [22:29] <spronk2> chch isn’t too bad
1243: [09:30:50] <irogue_> I assume we're just talking about google maps coverage here :P
1244: [09:31:07] <spronk2> haha
1245: [09:31:08] <spronk2> yes
1246: [09:31:43] <simon_w> irogue_, apple maps wins :p
1247: [09:32:03] <irogue_> wmk: not sure sorry - I generally do requirements in php so I can combine_files
1248: [09:32:29] <wmk> seems it's just a string passed to the array, so $ThemeDir doesn't get parsed
1249: [09:33:23] <irogue_> simon_w: know who they're using for their aerial imagery source?
1250: [09:33:33] <zippy> wmk: just hard code that sucker in there. If someone changes theme it's not going to use the template anyway.... it's only going to be a problem if you rename the folder...
1251: [09:34:03] <wmk> zippy, of course, but i always have to rename when i reuse my theme on another project...
1252: [09:34:07] <spronk2> wmk is this 2.4?
1253: [09:34:16] <wmk> using $ThemeDir could avoid this.
1254: [09:34:19] <wmk> spronk, 3.1
1255: [09:34:29] <spronk2> thought you could pass vars..
1256: [09:34:37] <zippy> wmk: do it in php, or call your own function to call requires
1257: [09:34:46] <spronk2> tbh i always do requires in php
1258: [09:34:46] <irogue_> I always found it odd that there's themedCSS but not themedJS, but it never affected me so I didn't do anything bout it :P
1259: [09:34:48] <spronk2> because you can control ordering
1260: [09:34:57] * spronk2 also finds that odd, irogue_
1261: [09:34:58] <simon_w> irogue_, can't seem to find a copyright string
1262: [09:35:45] <wmk> i think those requirements should be done in templates. ok, no combined files there, but you can overwrite js in your templates easily.
1263: [09:35:55] <wmk> don't like when it's required in modules php...
1264: [09:36:10] <spronk2> hmm
1265: [09:36:11] <spronk2> i no
1266: [09:36:12] <spronk2> dno
1267: [09:36:22] <spronk2> its a tough one
1268: [09:36:35] <spronk2> css i’m more inclined to go with template, but
1269: [09:36:36] <spronk2> js...
1270: [09:36:38] * Tanger quit (Quit: Tanger)
1271: [09:36:40] <irogue_> for a theme that's designed to reusable, it really is a tricky one
1272: [09:36:49] <spronk2> yeah
1273: [09:36:56] <irogue_> i've never developed a theme that wasn't very specific to the site :P
1274: [09:37:09] <spronk2> do you use php includes or template ones?
1275: [09:37:51] <zippy> irogue_: +1
1276: [09:38:14] * spronk2 has developed a theme for use across 3 sites… but it wasn’t all that successful
1277: [09:38:35] <spronk2> js was tricky
1278: [09:38:37] <irogue_> on the main site I work on, we have our own manifest for JS and CSS, we don't actually use requirements
1279: [09:38:46] <spronk2> hmm
1280: [09:38:48] <spronk2> requirements is kinda shit
1281: [09:41:00] <Pymsthk> yup
1282: [09:41:07] <Pymsthk> always has been
1283: [09:41:29] <irogue_> that site has a bajillion javascripts, many of which need to be loaded async or in specific order, so requirements really doesn't cut the mustard
1284: [09:42:25] <Fuxo> requirements are pretty good at blocking stuff set in the framework
1285: [09:42:32] <Pymsthk> wmk: you can still use <% block(module thing) %>
1286: [09:42:36] <Pymsthk> but it gets a bit long winded, yes.
1287: [09:42:51] <wmk> Pymsthk, of course, if i cant avoid it
1288: [09:42:51] <Pymsthk> err <% require block(...) %?
1289: [09:42:53] <Pymsthk> %> **
1290: [09:42:54] <Adesso> is there a easy way to get the last modified Date of the DB (regardless of what has been changed)
1291: [09:42:54] <Pymsthk> ffff
1292: [09:42:55] <Pymsthk> :<
1293: [09:43:02] <wmk> yup. require block works in template
1294: [09:43:11] <Pymsthk> Adesso: LastEdited?
1295: [09:43:11] <irogue_> Adesso: you mean just.. of any object anywhere?
1296: [09:43:35] <Adesso> I just want to stamp a Last Updated on my Page
1297: [09:43:53] <Adesso> doesn't matter what it was ..
1298: [09:44:00] <Pymsthk> Adesso: you'd have to SELECT ID, ClassName, LasteEdited FROM * UNION (sameshitagain) UNION (...)
1299: [09:44:01] <Pymsthk> or something
1300: [09:44:17] <spronk2> eesh
1301: [09:44:18] <zippy> Adesso: $page = Page::get()->sort('LastEdited DESC')->first(); or something
1302: [09:44:18] <Pymsthk> techically you'd only ever need to do direct descendants of DataObject.
1303: [09:44:19] <irogue_> Adesso: if you don't care that it won't respect DataObjects being updated, you could just check against SiteTree
1304: [09:44:20] <Adesso> :-O
1305: [09:44:21] <spronk2> yeah..
1306: [09:44:34] <spronk2> SiteTree:;get() maybe
1307: [09:44:37] <zippy> it's either sort or order by
1308: [09:44:40] * Adesso likes the SiteTree thing
1309: [09:44:52] <spronk2> but that wouldn’t get any data objects associated as irogue_ says
1310: [09:45:00] <Pymsthk> but if specifically pages, SiteTree.LastEditted
1311: [09:45:02] <Pymsthk> iirc
1312: [09:45:37] <Adesso> So for the DataObject I have to do a SQL Query
1313: [09:45:45] <Pymsthk> well... yes and no.
1314: [09:46:03] <irogue_> that or query every DataObject you have and compare :P
1315: [09:46:13] <Pymsthk> $This.LastEditted will only cover $Content, $Title, etc updates.
1316: [09:46:16] <Pymsthk> things in $DB
1317: [09:46:29] <Pymsthk> if you want to include ie, attached images also
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1319: [09:46:35] <simon_w> irogue_, http://gspa21.ls.apple.com/html/attribution.html says "Mapping data for Australia and New Zealand. © 2012 MapData Services Pty Ltd., PSMA http://www.nowwhere.com.au/lic/NowWhereLic.htm"
1320: [09:46:38] * irogue_ sneezes violently
1321: [09:46:55] <Pymsthk> you'll need to $this->Images()->sort(LastEditted DESC)->first()
1322: [09:47:03] * Adesso looks at this DB
1323: [09:47:13] <simon_w> irogue_, also, https://data.linz.govt.nz
1324: [09:47:15] <Adesso> my DataObjects also have a LastEdited Field ...
1325: [09:47:26] <g4b0_> hi all
1326: [09:47:29] <irogue_> simon_w: yeah, was just thinking, surely LINZ would have more up to date images
1327: [09:47:32] <Pymsthk> linz.nz?
1328: [09:47:34] <Pymsthk> o.0
1329: [09:47:34] <irogue_> mindblowing that google aren't using them
1330: [09:47:44] <Pymsthk> Linz is in .at!
1331: [09:47:46] <Pymsthk> :P
1332: [09:47:47] <ss23> irogue_: write them a letter!
1333: [09:47:57] <Adesso> maybe then the SQL would be simpler..
1334: [09:47:59] <spronk2> polly cost money
1335: [09:48:04] <irogue_> yeah, what spronk2 said
1336: [09:48:05] <simon_w> irogue_, maybe they're put off by the CC :p
1337: [09:48:26] <Pymsthk> Adesso: yes, I think you'll need to UNION with LastEditted
1338: [09:48:28] * Adesso takes out a hammer, some plieres and a Chainsaw... Let's build some MySQL Queries >:)
1339: [09:48:36] <Pymsthk> err, with DB::query *
1340: [09:48:42] <irogue_> i read an interview with a Google Maps manager a couple of years back
1341: [09:48:54] <spronk2> ew
1342: [09:48:57] <spronk2> stupid xbmc
1343: [09:48:58] <Pymsthk> google maps was good, now it's such a heavy piece of shit
1344: [09:48:59] <spronk2> y u keep flickering
1345: [09:49:02] <irogue_> where he basically said that Google know better than councils and governments so they ignore their data
1346: [09:49:04] <Pymsthk> I hate it.
1347: [09:49:11] <Pymsthk> it's all *SIGH* gotta open maps...
1348: [09:49:12] <spronk2> the new google maps ui is so shit
1349: [09:49:18] <Pymsthk> spronk2: hahaha, check this
1350: [09:49:25] <Colin[pi]> spronk2: +1
1351: [09:49:28] <irogue_> which is why so many of Google's house numbering is completely wrong, even though there's awesome public data on it
1352: [09:49:29] <spronk2> it took me SOOOO long to figure out how to share a maps URL
1353: [09:49:32] <Colin[pi]> spronk2: and it's slow as shit on my browser
1354: [09:49:34] <spronk2> finally realised that
1355: [09:49:36] <spronk2> you just copy the URL
1356: [09:49:43] <spronk2> which never used to work
1357: [09:50:02] <irogue_> new UI is such a pita to switch between map, satellite and street view ,too
1358: [09:50:07] <Colin[pi]> spronk2: there is also a sharing thing tucked away in the cog icon down the bottom
1359: [09:50:08] <simon_w> irogue_, I guess that explains the new recaptcha then
1360: [09:50:08] <spronk2> ja
1361: [09:50:10] <spronk2> oh is there
1362: [09:50:11] <spronk2> ?
1363: [09:50:19] <Colin[pi]> irogue_: god yes
1364: [09:50:27] <spronk2> SO THERE IS
1365: [09:50:28] <spronk2> wow
1366: [09:50:34] * simon_w just uses Apple Maps
1367: [09:50:38] <Colin[pi]> spronk2: ikr? took me ages to find
1368: [09:50:41] <spronk2> apple maps are kinda .. average
1369: [09:50:46] <Pymsthk> spronk2: http://iforce.co.nz/i/5qlkq4hd.n4o.png
1370: [09:50:50] <Pymsthk> spronk2: also, OSM
1371: [09:50:52] <spronk2> hahahaha
1372: [09:51:22] <Pymsthk> spronk2: so you can see in that picture, I'm at the END of the wee intro slides modal shit.
1373: [09:51:24] <Pymsthk> but cannot close it.
1374: [09:51:27] <Pymsthk> at all.
1375: [09:51:28] <simon_w> spronk2, apparently, they're better in NZ than Google's :p
1376: [09:51:44] <Pymsthk> simon_w: apple, or linz?
1377: [09:51:45] <spronk2> really?
1378: [09:51:51] <spronk2> … can i get them on my pc
1379: [09:51:51] <spronk2> ?
1380: [09:51:53] <irogue_> I do keep finding myself accidentally using Apple Maps on my iPad and not noticing til I try to street view
1381: [09:52:03] <Pymsthk> OSM so goodness
1382: [09:52:11] <Colin[pi]> soo.. tell me, how the fuck do I change to satellite on the new maps gui?
1383: [09:52:14] <simon_w> spronk2, https://data.linz.govt.nz/
1384: [09:52:21] <irogue_> OSM has such detailed data
1385: [09:52:29] <simon_w> Just no Yelp integration
1386: [09:52:29] <irogue_> it's freaky sometimes
1387: [09:53:27] <Pymsthk> spronk2: irogue_ : compare - https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/Linz+Hbf/@48.290181,14.292131,15z/data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x0:0xd4b3a338d854338d & http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/215682892#map=16/48.2902/14.2919
1388: [09:53:42] <simon_w> Huh, Apple Maps also attribtues Open Street Maps
1389: [09:53:49] <spronk2> mm
1390: [09:54:03] <spronk2> OSM is a bit hard to follow
1391: [09:54:04] <irogue_> simon_w: ya, they use them as their primary map data source
1392: [09:54:04] <spronk2> and
1393: [09:54:05] <spronk2> way uglier
1394: [09:54:23] <irogue_> simon_w: with additional info from TomTom
1395: [09:54:27] <Pymsthk> spronk2: more detail, easier to follow... but I agree it's a bit like overload when you first look at it.
1396: [09:54:47] <simon_w> irogue_, yeah, which is why it tends to do better than GMaps outside the US
1397: [09:54:50] <irogue_> spronk2: default tiles are ugly as sin, but there's plenty of alternative tilesets
1398: [09:54:53] <g4b0_> Does onAfterPublish exist yet?
1399: [09:55:06] <irogue_> MapQuest Open is a good tileset for OSM
1400: [09:55:11] <irogue_> https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/1712529653#map=14/-37.8440/175.2540
1401: [09:55:13] <irogue_> this shit freaks me out
1402: [09:55:29] <Pymsthk> spronk2: but then if you open the menu on the side, you can get different layers
1403: [09:55:44] <Pymsthk> eg the transport map, lists all the bus numbers and routes
1404: [09:55:47] <irogue_> those dotted brown lines? farm roads
1405: [09:55:47] <Pymsthk> great!
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1407: [09:56:00] <irogue_> how the fuck have they mapped all the farm roads
1408: [09:56:13] <Colin[pi]> irogue_: cows
1409: [09:56:14] <Pymsthk> sattelite images, people contribution, idk.
1410: [09:56:21] <Pymsthk> it's <open> maps.
1411: [09:56:31] <Pymsthk> kinda like <open>paedia
1412: [09:56:34] <irogue_> i know, it's just crazy detailed
1413: [09:56:43] <irogue_> shows what google maps could be if they'd actually *let* people contribute
1414: [09:57:07] * Adesso puts away the Hardware.... that was just to easy :(
1415: [09:57:08] <Pymsthk> mmm, like I said. Sometimes it's way helpful. Other times it's a bit like visual bomb, like spronk2 said.
1416: [09:57:26] <Pymsthk> Adesso: all dem unions?
1417: [09:57:34] <Adesso> was just 3
1418: [09:57:46] <Adesso> SitTree, Documents and Article
1419: [09:57:53] <Adesso> SiteTree
1420: [09:57:56] <Pymsthk> Adesso: yeh, but you'll need that on each page (type) you want a stamp on
1421: [09:57:58] <Pymsthk> since it'll vary
1422: [09:58:05] <irogue_> spronk2: http://mapq.st/1qrJXG2
1423: [09:58:11] <irogue_> OSM with mapquest's tileset
1424: [09:58:29] <spronk2> hmm
1425: [09:58:35] * wmk quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
1426: [09:58:39] <spronk2> s'alright
1427: [09:58:39] <Adesso> Pymsthk - you thinking way too complicated..
1428: [09:58:41] <spronk2> but yeah
1429: [09:58:53] <Pymsthk> Adesso: I'm thinking about future extensiblity!
1430: [09:59:00] * Adesso is not ..
1431: [09:59:05] <Pymsthk> hehe
1432: [09:59:26] <Adesso> right now I am making a cardboard box version of a Site..
1433: [09:59:46] <Adesso> when I pack out the BIG guns.. I#ll take your input into consideration
1434: [09:59:47] <irogue_> spronk2: not perfect, but a lot better than default OSM :P
1435: [09:59:49] <Adesso> ;)
1436: [10:00:09] <irogue_> personally I do much prefer Apple Maps to Google Maps for look+feel
1437: [10:00:20] <Pymsthk> irogue_: yeah, that's the thing about OSM. there are many many clients.
1438: [10:00:20] <spronk2> mm
1439: [10:00:32] <Pymsthk> oh, that little imbiss is on OSM
1440: [10:00:38] <Pymsthk> good beer :>
1441: [10:00:43] <Pymsthk> thanks Adesso!
1442: [10:00:58] <irogue_> now there is a taxi
1443: [10:00:58] <Pymsthk> Zipfer :D
1444: [10:01:15] <irogue_> I have nfi what's going on next door
1445: [10:01:15] <Pymsthk> irogue_: neighbourhood spy
1446: [10:01:22] <irogue_> ikr
1447: [10:01:30] <irogue_> I'm that old lady who watches out the window all day
1448: [10:01:47] <Colin[pi]> lol
1449: [10:01:52] * caamic30 quit (Quit: caamic30)
1450: [10:01:58] <Pymsthk> irogue_: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50PbTompgB8
1451: [10:02:13] <Colin[pi]> irogue_: http://the-zfactor.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/magda-something-about-mary.jpg
1452: [10:02:27] <Colin[pi]> ^ more this one I think
1453: [10:02:29] <Colin[pi]> ;)
1454: [10:02:33] <irogue_> https://gfycat.com/BlankRectangularBustard
1455: [10:02:35] <irogue_> BAHAHAHAHA
1456: [10:02:39] <irogue_> steven adams is great
1457: [10:03:43] <Pymsthk> lol
1458: [10:03:43] <irogue_> the other guy is just like "what the fuck just happened?"
1459: [10:03:50] <Pymsthk> irogue_: is this the tall... whites?
1460: [10:04:00] <irogue_> Pymsthk: no, he's in an NBA team
1461: [10:04:08] <Pymsthk> yeah I thoguht so
1462: [10:04:16] <Pymsthk> but who is he, and why is he great?
1463: [10:04:50] <irogue_> Pymsthk: he's valerie adams (the shotputter)'s brother
1464: [10:05:22] <Pymsthk> oh, I see.
1465: [10:05:25] <irogue_> is kicking ass in the NBA, and based on that gif makes an excellent brick wall
1466: [10:05:31] <Pymsthk> quite!
1467: [10:05:35] <irogue_> and he's such a kiwi
1468: [10:05:41] <Pymsthk> his feet didn't move at all
1469: [10:05:45] <Pymsthk> can't say he was in the wrong
1470: [10:05:45] <irogue_> his first interview in the NBA, with the US sports media, was hilariously awkward
1471: [10:06:13] <Pymsthk> because yanks were all 'how is it in the south indian ocean?'
1472: [10:06:15] <irogue_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jubbI95bU2Y
1473: [10:06:34] <spronk2> ha
1474: [10:10:32] <irogue_> "I've got restaurants I like to eat at, like smash out some food."
1475: [10:10:40] <spronk2> ooo
1476: [10:10:43] <spronk2> conq skin for xbmc is noice
1477: [10:11:05] <Pymsthk> irogue_: yeah, just got to that bit, haha
1478: [10:12:26] * zippy quit (Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com)
1479: [10:12:50] <irogue_> Adams' father, Sid, was an Englishman who settled in New Zealand after serving in the Royal Navy. He is the youngest of Sid's 18 children with five different women; his mother is Tongan. His siblings and half-siblings are notable for their exceptional size and athletic prowess; his brothers average 6'9" (2.06 m) and his sisters average 6'0" (1.83 m).
1480: [10:13:06] <irogue_> "18 children with five different women"
1481: [10:13:16] <irogue_> DAYUM
1482: [10:13:53] <UncleCheese> spronk2 conq?
1483: [10:14:56] <spronk2> skin for xbmc
1484: [10:15:13] <spronk2> http://babylon.xbmc.org/showthread.php?tid=193222
1485: [10:15:13] <Colin[pi]> I tried xbmc but I like mediaportal more
1486: [10:16:10] <irogue_> I use Plex & a Roku
1487: [10:16:26] <ss23> I use a fucking computer
1488: [10:16:31] <ss23> Windows 8 at the moment, Windows 7 is fine too
1489: [10:16:31] <simon_w> I use an TV
1490: [10:16:33] <ss23> And I play my shit
1491: [10:16:35] <ss23> Shit is *gangsta*
1492: [10:16:46] <ss23> "Oh does it support this?" YES, BECAUSE IT'S NOT SHIT
1493: [10:16:56] <ss23> Flicker? NO, NOT A THING
1494: [10:17:35] <irogue_> heh
1495: [10:17:56] <ss23> hmm, the bass on these speakers is pretty loud, even turned down to the lowest setting
1496: [10:18:11] <irogue_> I just avoid shit rips and never have issues playing files :P
1497: [10:18:18] <ss23> irogue_: >shit rips
1498: [10:18:27] <ss23> like, I don't know, how h264 support used to be?
1499: [10:18:30] <ss23> aka how 10bit support is now?
1500: [10:18:39] <ss23> I mean, we could still be rolling xvid if we all went for high compat rips
1501: [10:18:49] <spronk2> o_O
1502: [10:18:51] <ss23> Some of us gotta push the industry FORWARD, irogue_
1503: [10:18:54] <Colin[pi]> lol xvid
1504: [10:19:04] <spronk2> xbmc is the shiz
1505: [10:19:09] <irogue_> ss23: and it sure ain't the scene
1506: [10:19:14] <ss23> trudat
1507: [10:19:20] * zfmf quit (Remote host closed the connection)
1508: [10:19:28] <irogue_> who still think MP3 320k is good
1509: [10:19:33] <ss23> v0 4 lyfe
1510: [10:19:36] <irogue_> and SD video should be in Xvid
1511: [10:21:27] <irogue_> oh thats right, it's spring
1512: [10:21:52] * irogue_ listens to the sound of a ladycat outside begging to be boinked
1513: [10:21:59] <ss23> nice
1514: [10:22:00] <ss23> ;)
1515: [10:22:10] <Colin[pi]> dat pussy
1516: [10:22:19] <ss23> come on irogue_
1517: [10:22:20] <ss23> go out there
1518: [10:22:26] <ss23> she's *begging* for it
1519: [10:22:39] <irogue_> ewwww ew ew ew
1520: [10:22:48] <ss23> lol
1521: [10:22:48] <Colin[pi]> didn't think irogue_ liked pussies?
1522: [10:22:53] <ss23> touche
1523: [10:22:56] <irogue_> exactly
1524: [10:23:39] <irogue_> welp
1525: [10:23:53] <irogue_> sounds like she just got lucky
1526: [10:23:58] <irogue_> that didnt take long
1527: [10:25:30] <Colin[pi]> guys how can I updateCMSFields on something if it's *just* within my modeladmin? check controller?
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1530: [10:29:39] <Pymsthk> irogue_: is this on camera? xD
1531: [10:29:48] * ezero quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)
1532: [10:30:37] <ss23> haha
1533: [10:30:44] <ss23> I knew irogue_ was dirty, using the camera for this
1534: [10:31:21] <Pymsthk> pussy porn?
1535: [10:31:27] * Adesso tries to overwrite the Breadcrumbs ...
1536: [10:32:00] <Colin[pi]> Pymsthk: http://i.imgur.com/BBP892y.gif
1537: [10:33:21] * Pymsthk nopes the fuck outta here
1538: [10:33:29] <Pymsthk> @work Colin[pi] !
1539: [10:33:37] <Colin[pi]> Pymsthk: it's safe
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1541: [10:35:21] <UncleCheese> Colin[pi] check Controller::curr()->is_a('ModelAdmin');
1542: [10:35:22] <irogue_> Pymsthk: nah, on other side of the house :P
1543: [10:35:48] <Colin[pi]> UncleCheese: ta
1544: [10:36:26] <Pymsthk> gawd creepy Colin[pi], hahaah
1545: [10:36:32] <UncleCheese> a bit shit, but if i say anything more, we'll ignite the old getCMSFields separation of concerns discussion, and i won't be going to bed
1546: [10:36:53] * g4b0_ quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
1547: [10:37:23] <Colin[pi]> UncleCheese: basically i have a decorator on member, and a model admin for a group of members... and want to update the cms fields differently if in model admin
1548: [10:37:30] <Colin[pi]> if that makes sense
1549: [10:38:01] <UncleCheese> hmm
1550: [10:38:05] <UncleCheese> yeah, of course it does
1551: [10:38:10] <UncleCheese> happens all the time
1552: [10:38:27] <Colin[pi]> mm because there'll be cms fields for the regular admin and also for my custom part
1553: [10:38:28] <UncleCheese> makes me wonder if maybe there could be a setting on the controller for cms_fields_method
1554: [10:38:55] <Colin[pi]> UncleCheese: what about hooks for extensions though?
1555: [10:39:20] <UncleCheese> ah, right
1556: [10:40:09] <Colin[pi]> I mean i guess decorating member is a bit special since modeladmin is typically for home grown DO's without other cms fields to worry about
1557: [10:42:12] <irogue_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7nQovJaGPA
1558: [10:42:13] <irogue_> bahaha
1559: [10:42:15] <irogue_> how dumb can you get
1560: [10:42:24] <irogue_> cop holding baton > think I'll just slap him
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1564: [10:51:13] <spronk2> the fuck
1565: [10:51:23] <Pymsthk> oh gawd irogue_ wtf
1566: [10:51:26] <Pymsthk> yanks right
1567: [10:51:27] <Pymsthk> wtf
1568: [10:52:38] <Pymsthk> Colin[pi]: the gridfield component looks for getcmsfields iirc
1569: [10:52:41] <Pymsthk> just... change it
1570: [10:52:51] <Pymsthk> subclass component, replace it in config, or something
1571: [10:52:52] <Pymsthk> idk
1572: [10:52:56] <Colin[pi]> Pymsthk: decorating member class
1573: [10:53:03] <Pymsthk> many ways to skin cats, or something
1574: [10:53:14] <Pymsthk> Colin[pi]: model has nothing to do at all with gridfieldcomponent
1575: [10:54:17] <ss23> oh shit I just realised
1576: [10:54:21] <ss23> I'm doing CWP tickets at midnight...
1577: [10:54:29] <Colin[pi]> ss23: yay
1578: [10:54:31] <ss23> A bunch of these tickoets are requesting SMS approval...
1579: [10:54:33] <ss23> >.>
1580: [10:54:37] <ss23> I hope these people turn their phone off at night.
1581: [10:55:26] <irogue_> bahaha
1582: [10:55:52] <irogue_> ss23: you'll know the answer to that if you start getting approval
1583: [10:55:59] <ss23> haha
1584: [10:56:08] <ss23> "reply x to confirm or y to deny"
1585: [10:56:15] <ss23> "FUCK OFF DENIED WHAT THE HELL IT'S MIDNIGHT FUCK YOU CWP"
1586: [10:56:21] <ss23> "... I guess that's a no to that deployment then? :("
1587: [10:57:08] <irogue_> I forgot to reply to an email from client during the day on friday, ended up replying at 11pm
1588: [10:57:13] <irogue_> got a reply 5min later
1589: [10:57:13] <spronk2> hm
1590: [10:57:18] <irogue_> felt a bit guilty
1591: [10:57:20] <spronk2> crazy
1592: [10:57:24] <Pymsthk> irogue_: lol smb owners
1593: [10:57:27] <Pymsthk> crazy fucks
1594: [10:57:46] <ss23> lol irogue_
1595: [10:57:49] <irogue_> Pymsthk: neg, public service worker in this case
1596: [10:57:55] <Pymsthk> ss23: x to confirm, y to deny?
1597: [10:57:57] <Pymsthk> lulz
1598: [10:58:02] <ss23> Well not literal X and Y
1599: [10:58:04] <Pymsthk> irogue_: :<
1600: [10:58:07] <ss23> They're randomly generated authentication tokens
1601: [10:58:11] <Pymsthk> oic
1602: [10:58:20] <ss23> :3
1603: [10:58:23] <ss23> we've got "bum" before
1604: [10:58:25] <Pymsthk> so not actually saying 'respond No to confirm, Yes to deny'
1605: [10:58:53] <irogue_> lol
1606: [10:59:15] <ss23> Pymsthk: Problem with that is if you send two txts...
1607: [10:59:22] <ss23> You get the responses, "Yes" and "No"
1608: [10:59:23] <ss23> What do
1609: [10:59:40] <ss23> This way, no clashes
1610: [11:00:06] <ss23> here, this auth code is exactly at midnight
1611: [11:00:14] <ss23> If he see's it, he might be like "Must be an automated system"
1612: [11:00:19] <ss23> He's wrong, but at least it'll help him sleep at night
1613: [11:00:20] <ss23> o/
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1615: [11:00:47] <Pymsthk> ss23: or in this case... not sleep xD
1616: [11:00:55] <ss23> He can ignore it and go back to sleep!
1617: [11:01:07] <ss23> someone did an 11pm approval or something
1618: [11:01:10] <ss23> I can't remmeber what time it was
1619: [11:01:13] <ss23> 21:06
1620: [11:01:16] <ss23> So... 9pm
1621: [11:01:17] <Pymsthk> use that picture of you in a dress as an auth token.
1622: [11:01:19] <ss23> Not quite the same as 11pm :O
1623: [11:01:25] <ss23> Pymsthk: you wish, pervert.
1624: [11:01:35] <Pymsthk> imagine getting that text at midnight...
1625: [11:01:36] <Pymsthk> xD
1626: [11:01:55] <Pymsthk> get the response "sorry, you've got the wrong number"
1627: [11:01:57] <Pymsthk> lol
1628: [11:02:32] <Pymsthk> or "you're not deploying anything anywhere near me buddy"
1629: [11:04:57] <irogue_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnOmxR_qQ_Q
1630: [11:06:54] <Pymsthk> irogue_: you're a buttstrupp kinda guy, how to make red the nav option?
1631: [11:07:19] <spronk2> haha
1632: [11:07:20] <spronk2> nice
1633: [11:07:40] <irogue_> Pymsthk: edit the variables sass/less file
1634: [11:07:48] <spronk2> wtf @ people
1635: [11:07:52] <Pymsthk> irogue_: fuck that.
1636: [11:07:54] <spronk2> who doesnt use a toilet?
1637: [11:07:55] <Pymsthk> should be baked in
1638: [11:08:07] <Pymsthk> spronk2: an alarming amount of people in Europe
1639: [11:08:13] <spronk2> ..really?
1640: [11:08:16] <Pymsthk> I think it's a big city thing
1641: [11:08:28] <Pymsthk> yeh, poms piss everywhere
1642: [11:08:54] <spronk2> :/
1643: [11:08:56] <Pymsthk> like, the cities are old and have lots of alleyways, all of them are putrid with the stench of dried urine
1644: [11:09:17] <irogue_> sounds like murica in this case. probably just near a bar or something.
1645: [11:09:32] <Pymsthk> irogue_: that's not the original vid, afaik.
1646: [11:09:49] <Pymsthk> or maybe there are lots of others like it or something. but yeh, looks like america.
1647: [11:09:58] <Pymsthk> thus the 'I think its a big city thing' comment
1648: [11:10:00] <irogue_> Pymsthk: that's a compilation of some of the best of
1649: [11:10:11] <Pymsthk> irogue_: ah, ic
1650: [11:10:49] <irogue_> i've encountered drunk middle-aged women pissing in carparks in the tron. they looked like the kindof people who'd be lawyers or accountants or something in the daytime too, all dressed up fancy, squatting next to their bmw
1651: [11:10:59] <ss23> oh god
1652: [11:11:01] <ss23> I got an approval
1653: [11:11:05] <ss23> lool
1654: [11:11:09] <ss23> this guy is a cahmp
1655: [11:11:38] <Pymsthk> lulz
1656: [11:11:45] <irogue_> not once, not twice, but three seperate times i've encountered the same type of woman doing the same thing in the same carpark (nearest car park to the bars)
1657: [11:11:47] * Adesso can't believe that SS is so trict on a Breadcrumb function
1658: [11:11:55] <Pymsthk> irogue_: woudln't be after a day at the races by chance would it?
1659: [11:12:00] <Pymsthk> that seems common
1660: [11:12:05] <Adesso> if you don't public function Breadcrumbs($maxDepth = 20, $unlinked = false, $stopAtPageType = false, $showHidden = false)
1661: [11:12:08] <irogue_> Pymsthk: nah, just on a fri/sat night in town
1662: [11:12:09] <Adesso> then it Bitches
1663: [11:12:13] <Pymsthk> always the middle aged mid-upper class types too
1664: [11:12:27] <Pymsthk> Adesso: yes, must match.
1665: [11:12:39] <Adesso> at least it works
1666: [11:12:40] <Pymsthk> normal PHP level thing, not ss.
1667: [11:12:55] * Adesso looks around... did I say SS ..
1668: [11:13:03] <Adesso> :P
1669: [11:13:03] <Pymsthk> you're overriding. It's not like C/Java where you can have different signatures
1670: [11:13:15] <Pymsthk> yeh, true.
1671: [11:13:17] <Pymsthk> :>
1672: [11:13:34] <Pymsthk> also, yes you did, lol
1673: [11:13:47] <irogue_> unless you're using PHP 5.6, Pymsthk!
1674: [11:13:49] <Adesso> I guess I did'nt get the ovverriding thing 100% then
1675: [11:14:04] <Pymsthk> irogue_: is taht where it's suddenly more like zephyr and hack?
1676: [11:14:13] <Adesso> wasn't the whole point of overriding to make it diffrent ?
1677: [11:14:22] <Pymsthk> with type hints actually doing something?
1678: [11:14:35] <Pymsthk> Adesso: yeh, often I think I do but i'm wrong :<
1679: [11:14:43] <Pymsthk> Adesso: yeh, but not the signature.
1680: [11:15:03] <Pymsthk> signature must be same, definition different.
1681: [11:15:09] * Adesso keeps his trap shut... (it's working ;P)
1682: [11:15:28] <Pymsthk> like I said, it's not like C/Java/sensibly typed langauages
1683: [11:15:38] <Pymsthk> :P
1684: [11:15:50] <Adesso> let's avoid the PHP Language talk..
1685: [11:15:58] <Colin[pi]> NO YOU CANT MAKE ME
1686: [11:15:59] <irogue_> Adesso: in less technical terms, you can make what the method *does* different, but can't change the number of arguments it takes, nor its visibility (public/protected/private)
1687: [11:16:01] <Pymsthk> also, if you lower the php error level, it goes away. It's just a warning iirc.
1688: [11:16:08] <Pymsthk> but SS sets the error level high at runtime.
1689: [11:16:23] <Pymsthk> irogue_: not ture!
1690: [11:16:32] <Pymsthk> you can increase visiblity, but not decrease.
1691: [11:16:42] <irogue_> yeah, that's true
1692: [11:16:46] <Pymsthk> private -> public ok, public ->protected NOPE
1693: [11:16:55] <Adesso> can you increase the arguments then ?
1694: [11:17:06] <Pymsthk> Adesso: should be able to I think
1695: [11:17:23] <irogue_> Pymsthk: http://talks.php.net/nz14#/php56variadic
1696: [11:17:24] * Adesso did not think about the base class... Oops
1697: [11:17:45] <irogue_> ...$blah just means "i don't care how many other arguments there are, just throw them all into an array called $blah"
1698: [11:18:49] <Pymsthk> irogue_: yeh, basically syntactic sugar around existing stuff... but still nice.
1699: [11:20:20] <irogue_> yep
1700: [11:20:26] <irogue_> i like syntactic sugar
1701: [11:20:30] <irogue_> can't wait til I can use []
1702: [11:20:55] * Adesso feels old now ...
1703: [11:21:56] * Adesso started with PHP 3
1704: [11:22:11] <Pymsthk> I started with 4 I think...
1705: [11:22:16] <Pymsthk> well, maybe just looked at it.
1706: [11:22:25] <Pymsthk> Probably actually started with 5.
1707: [11:22:30] <irogue_> I started in 4, but had some remaining php3 in the codebase I took over
1708: [11:22:33] <Pymsthk> Certainly with any sincerity.
1709: [11:22:49] <Pymsthk> SilverStripe v2.2
1710: [11:22:55] * Adesso decides to take Lunch
1711: [11:22:58] <Pymsthk> 2008 I think
1712: [11:23:08] <Pymsthk> ciao
1713: [11:23:15] <irogue_> holy shitballs
1714: [11:23:17] * irogue_ notices time
1715: [11:23:20] <Pymsthk> hehe
1716: [11:23:22] <Pymsthk> like me last night
1717: [11:23:25] <Pymsthk> doing modules
1718: [11:23:31] <irogue_> GOODBYE
1719: [11:23:38] * Pymsthk slowly FINALLY fillingout his hitgubs
1720: [11:23:42] <Pymsthk> ciao irogue_
1721: [11:23:45] <spronk2> BAI
1722: [11:23:46] * irogue_ schedules that phone call to ss23 and heads to bed
1723: [11:23:50] <Pymsthk> kekeke
1724: [11:23:52] * irogue_ quit ()
1725: [11:23:54] <Pymsthk> what is ph?
1726: [11:23:59] <Pymsthk> oh :<
1727: [11:24:10] <ss23> :(
1728: [11:24:12] <ss23> btw guis
1729: [11:24:15] <ss23> here is the drone I'm building
1730: [11:24:20] <ss23> http://i.imgur.com/Q8RBLjX.jpg http://i.imgur.com/ZrtvWgI.jpg
1731: [11:24:22] <ss23> it's kit parts
1732: [11:24:24] <ss23> but still cool
1733: [11:25:11] <kinglozzer> ss23: Are you gonna attach a flag to it and fly over football games hoping to cause a riot?
1734: [11:25:23] <ss23> hahahahaha kinglozzer, micmania told me about that
1735: [11:25:23] <ss23> XD
1736: [11:25:28] <Colin[pi]> kinglozzer: he is now!
1737: [11:25:31] <ocmnt> ss23, add a giant death ray laser to that thing!
1738: [11:25:51] <ss23> ocmnt: I wnana put guns on it but getting it off the ground is first
1739: [11:26:08] <ocmnt> with enough firepower, who needs to fly? :D
1740: [11:26:37] <ss23> XD
1741: [11:31:01] <Colin[pi]> scumbag mysql... has a set of reserved words... still allows you to create fields with the same words
1742: [11:31:13] <ss23> ぉll
1743: [11:31:14] <ss23> eh
1744: [11:31:15] <ss23> lol
1745: [11:31:18] <ss23> Colin[pi]: Escape man!
1746: [11:31:19] <ss23> `lol`
1747: [11:31:57] <Colin[pi]> ss23: added a boolean called "Primary", mysql is all like "sure bro!" (should have known better :P)
1748: [11:33:03] <ss23> lol
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1751: [12:03:47] <Pymsthk> Colin[pi]: this is why "Primary" not Primary
1752: [12:04:00] <Pymsthk> or, in derpderpsql land `Primary`
1753: [12:04:41] <Colin[pi]> eh
1754: [12:04:43] <Colin[pi]> doesnt matter
1755: [12:04:48] <Colin[pi]> I renamed it to save confusion :P
1756: [12:04:54] <Colin[pi]> and sleeps time!
1757: [12:04:54] <Pymsthk> had the same issue with a column named something-something
1758: [12:04:58] <Pymsthk> ciao
1759: [12:05:05] <Colin[pi]> nn!
1760: [12:05:07] * Colin[pi] quit (Quit: pants)
1761: [12:05:09] <spronk2> sql.
1762: [12:05:16] <spronk2> sigh
1763: [12:05:20] <spronk2> maybe i should switch to mongo
1764: [12:05:22] <Pymsthk> ooh, spronk2's about to kick off!
1765: [12:05:30] * Pymsthk gets some refreshments
1766: [12:05:33] <spronk2> lawl
1767: [12:05:38] * spronk2 rants way too much these days
1768: [12:05:51] <Pymsthk> please, tell me more about the usability of sql.
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1770: [12:06:01] <Pymsthk> spronk2: it's genetic.
1771: [12:06:03] <spronk2> … its not bad?
1772: [12:06:04] <Pymsthk> we're getting older :<
1773: [12:06:06] <spronk2> heh
1774: [12:06:07] <spronk2> yeah
1775: [12:06:38] <Pymsthk> it's basic human instinct I guess. Get older, complain about _everything_
1776: [12:06:52] <spronk2> hmm
1777: [12:06:56] <Pymsthk> They all kicked off here the other day.
1778: [12:07:00] <spronk2> whats a dev salary worth in chch these days..
1779: [12:07:16] <spronk2> heh
1780: [12:07:35] <Pymsthk> I've been employed here for 9 months. Always wear a dress shirt, but usually with tidy generic pants (read: jeans) instead of dress (read: suit) pants.
1781: [12:07:49] <Pymsthk> No one has said a single fucking word, and I've been in meetings with board members and all sorts.
1782: [12:07:56] <spronk2> yeah
1783: [12:08:04] <spronk2> i wear dress shirt and jeans to board meetings
1784: [12:08:09] <spronk2> refuse to wear a suit
1785: [12:08:20] <Pymsthk> then all of a sudden just before 'dress down' (read: casual) friday they all go 'What do you mean, every day is dress down for you!"
1786: [12:08:24] <Pymsthk> And I'm all o.0
1787: [12:08:31] <spronk2> lol
1788: [12:08:32] <Pymsthk> I'm not wearing a t-shirt!
1789: [12:08:58] <Pymsthk> then I went on holiday for 2 weeks, and now I'm back still wearing jeans and hockey boots.
1790: [12:09:01] <Pymsthk> xD
1791: [12:09:09] <spronk2> :D
1792: [12:09:19] <Pymsthk> As I told them... the cops took my dress pants!
1793: [12:09:23] <spronk2> working from home is dangerous for that sorta stuff
1794: [12:09:28] <Pymsthk> (which were actually just incredibly black jeans)
1795: [12:09:32] <spronk2> /me has become a bit toooo familiar with his track pants
1796: [12:09:42] <Pymsthk> plain black and near straight cut.
1797: [12:09:48] <Pymsthk> look like dress pants
1798: [12:09:53] <Pymsthk> but aren't.
1799: [12:09:59] <spronk2> as far as i’m concerned a good pair of jeans are just as fancy as dress pants
1800: [12:10:02] <ocmnt> spronk2, glad to hear you wear some pants atleast
1801: [12:10:02] <spronk2> i mean
1802: [12:10:04] <spronk2> they cost more.
1803: [12:10:04] <ocmnt> :P
1804: [12:10:09] <Pymsthk> but cops took them for forensic evidence after I'd only been employed for a month.
1805: [12:10:11] <spronk2> haha :D
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1807: [12:10:23] <spronk2> will you.. get them back?
1808: [12:10:46] <Pymsthk> spronk2: yeah... "when the case is finished" as in, cunt has been convicted.
1809: [12:10:50] <spronk2> heh
1810: [12:10:50] <Pymsthk> cuntS*
1811: [12:10:51] <spronk2> :(
1812: [12:11:13] <Pymsthk> which is annoying because they got my drivers licence too (although they said I could probably have that back)
1813: [12:11:20] <Pymsthk> but I don't have car nor want to drive, so it's ok.
1814: [12:11:30] <spronk2> mm
1815: [12:11:38] <Pymsthk> but I DO want to drive an aston martin, at great speed, on sliverstone. Which I do need a licence for.
1816: [12:11:45] <spronk2> oohhh
1817: [12:11:52] <spronk2> that would be baws
1818: [12:11:56] <Pymsthk> only £200 or so
1819: [12:12:02] <spronk2> what sort of aston
1820: [12:12:03] <spronk2> ?
1821: [12:12:10] <Pymsthk> (earn pounds likd dorrars, so just think of it as $200)
1822: [12:12:14] <Pymsthk> umm
1823: [12:12:16] <Pymsthk> a fast one.
1824: [12:12:20] <Pymsthk> not a baby one.
1825: [12:12:25] <Pymsthk> vanquish?
1826: [12:12:26] <Pymsthk> idk.
1827: [12:12:31] <Pymsthk> not db9 though.
1828: [12:12:35] <spronk2> mm
1829: [12:12:36] <spronk2> noice
1830: [12:12:45] <Pymsthk> it's on their website!#
1831: [12:12:57] <Pymsthk> could do ferarri too, etc. but ... not so interested.
1832: [12:12:59] <Pymsthk> for some reason.
1833: [12:15:49] <Pymsthk> I should probably buy some tidier jeans though, to be fair. My plain ones got a hole, so I'm actually wearing more casual ones now, heh.
1834: [12:16:15] <Pymsthk> and hockey boots, because can't run away from baddies in slip on dress shoes.
1835: [12:16:48] <Pymsthk> There needs to be a good hybrid dress shoe on the market. One that doesn't fuck your feet up for doing actual walking in.
1836: [12:16:55] <Pymsthk> But there's not :<
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1839: [12:28:23] <Pymsthk> fuxo :<
1840: [12:28:37] <Pymsthk> I had something for him D:
1841: [12:28:52] <spronk2> Pymsthk: hush puppies
1842: [12:29:00] <Pymsthk> ??
1843: [12:29:02] <Pymsthk> oh, shoes.
1844: [12:29:05] <spronk2> mm
1845: [12:29:07] <Pymsthk> spronk2: that's what I have currently
1846: [12:29:15] <spronk2> i find them pretty decent
1847: [12:29:24] <Pymsthk> Comfortable for reasonable bit of walking, but you can't really go all out in them.
1848: [12:29:25] <spronk2> you can also try like
1849: [12:29:26] <spronk2> boots
1850: [12:29:32] <Pymsthk> especially can't run, since slipons.
1851: [12:29:41] <Pymsthk> I mean, can probably get away with shuffle jog
1852: [12:29:49] <Pymsthk> scuff-jog
1853: [12:29:49] <Pymsthk> whateer
1854: [12:30:09] <Pymsthk> where you delibarately inhibit full range of motion to prevent fly-offs
1855: [12:30:41] <Pymsthk> but when you want to kick some aggressive little cunt mugger in the face, the're not the best choice :<
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1857: [12:32:21] <Pymsthk> Fuxo: was it you yesterday talking about gallery modules?
1858: [12:32:29] <Pymsthk> pretty sure it was
1859: [12:32:33] <Fuxo> Pymsthk: yes
1860: [12:32:42] <Pymsthk> Maybe something like this could help you better: https://github.com/NightJar/ssrigging-gallery
1861: [12:33:18] <Fuxo> thanks, I will try it
1862: [12:33:35] <Pymsthk> basically the same thing as most (all?) of the other modules, but done in a better more adaptable way
1863: [12:33:59] <spronk2> Pymsthk:, where did NightJar come from?
1864: [12:34:05] <Fuxo> it's almost exactly the same thing I was going to do - a basic gallerypage module
1865: [12:34:45] <Fuxo> if it's not completely broken (as other gallery modules out there), it will be a godsend :-)
1866: [12:34:57] <Pymsthk> spronk2: willowbank
1867: [12:35:21] <Pymsthk> Fuxo: that module won't give you a gallery page, but makes creating one a matter of 2 lines.
1868: [12:35:43] <Pymsthk> well, technically about 5, if you format it nicely :P
1869: [12:35:46] <spronk2> o_O
1870: [12:36:18] <Pymsthk> spronk2: on the exit.
1871: [12:36:18] <Pymsthk> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Owlet-nightjar
1872: [12:36:23] <spronk2> i seeee
1873: [12:36:27] <Pymsthk> I liked the name.
1874: [12:36:31] <Pymsthk> Kept it.
1875: [12:37:09] <Pymsthk> "A New Zealand species is extinct." there's a big list of extinct birds with estimated shadows as you get to the exit.
1876: [12:37:18] <Pymsthk> I also like the idea of nyx in a jar.
1877: [12:37:37] <Pymsthk> but whatevers
1878: [12:38:36] <Pymsthk> Also gives one a legitimate reason to throw around the most amazing sounding word 'crepuscular'
1879: [12:39:11] <spronk2> its funk
1880: [12:39:25] <Fuxo> Pymsthk: that's enough for me
1881: [12:39:44] <Pymsthk> If you're into what the internet has dubbed "word porn" (which is a bit shit & kinda oxymoronic imo) that word should give you a boner xD
1882: [12:39:51] <Pymsthk> Fuxo: cool :>
1883: [12:40:11] <Pymsthk> as the readme says, there is 1 caveat, and 2 optional modules you can mix in with it.
1884: [12:40:50] <Pymsthk> could do some work on it there I guess :>
1885: [12:42:44] <wmk> WOW, even <% require customScript %>ist working
1886: [12:42:59] <Pymsthk> wmk: yeh, but don't put it on multiple lines!
1887: [12:43:11] <Pymsthk> it is a bit funny if it's too long.
1888: [12:43:22] <wmk> it seems to work with multiple lines...
1889: [12:43:27] <Pymsthk> I find if you write it, then remove linebreaks so it's one long line, it woks better.
1890: [12:43:39] <Pymsthk> I can't remember what specifically breaks when you have multiple lines, but I know it goes a bit funny
1891: [12:43:47] <Pymsthk> silently.
1892: [12:43:47] <wmk> fine.
1893: [12:43:59] <wmk> it's just a fb like button in this case, so one line will be ok
1894: [12:44:01] <Pymsthk> It seems fine, but then suddenly something minor but important doesn't work
1895: [12:44:05] <Pymsthk> I can't remember specifically
1896: [12:44:08] <spronk2> ugh
1897: [12:44:12] <Pymsthk> wmk: hehe, that's what I used to use it for too iirc
1898: [12:44:13] * spronk2 is completely lost
1899: [12:44:18] <Pymsthk> spronk2: hmm?
1900: [12:44:23] <Pymsthk> I imagine you're at home.
1901: [12:44:25] <spronk2> haha
1902: [12:44:37] <spronk2> architecting new product
1903: [12:44:46] <Pymsthk> ah.
1904: [12:44:48] <spronk2> tool choices
1905: [12:44:50] <spronk2> what a fucking mission
1906: [12:44:56] <spronk2> no idea what to use
1907: [12:44:59] <spronk2> everything seems shit :P
1908: [12:44:59] <Pymsthk> Lucky you. I'm introducing new tools to an _old_ product :P
1909: [12:45:04] <Pymsthk> everything IS shit.
1910: [12:45:08] <spronk2> oh, we have that problem too
1911: [12:45:11] <g4b0_> what do you think about my last issue?
1912: [12:45:12] <g4b0_> https://github.com/silverstripe/silverstripe-framework/issues/3557
1913: [12:45:16] <spronk2> our main product is a ball of mud
1914: [12:45:25] <g4b0_> it's a bug or a feature? :)
1915: [12:45:33] <Pymsthk> spronk2: I'm using mustache instead of crud igniter 'templates'
1916: [12:45:40] <spronk2> haha
1917: [12:46:00] <wmk> Pymsthk, mustache? that js template stuff?
1918: [12:46:08] <spronk2> hm, g4b0_ it’s a tricky one i think
1919: [12:46:14] <Pymsthk> wmk: not just js, but yes.
1920: [12:46:21] <Pymsthk> g4b0_: uhh
1921: [12:46:24] <wmk> Pymsthk, afaik canjs uses it, too
1922: [12:46:26] <Pymsthk> you're writing it, then writing the same thing again.
1923: [12:46:34] <Pymsthk> first write will have version, second will not.
1924: [12:46:45] <wmk> do you think a converter ss => mustache will be possible?
1925: [12:46:46] <Pymsthk> in fact... that should cause an infinite loop :<
1926: [12:46:56] <Pymsthk> wmk: no, mustache is logicless
1927: [12:47:05] <Pymsthk> can't <% if blah = blah %> for example
1928: [12:47:07] <spronk2> Pymsthk: nah no infloop
1929: [12:47:13] <wmk> hmm, bad.
1930: [12:47:16] <spronk2> onAfterPublish wouldn’t get called from writeWithoutVersion
1931: [12:47:20] <Pymsthk> spronk2: onafterwrite $this->write
1932: [12:47:21] <Pymsthk> no loop?
1933: [12:47:24] <Pymsthk> o.0
1934: [12:47:27] <Pymsthk> RUMAD?
1935: [12:47:28] <spronk2> onAfterPublish
1936: [12:47:29] <spronk2> not write
1937: [12:47:31] <wmk> but for logicless template snippets (e.g. present a product) it woule be possible?
1938: [12:47:36] <Pymsthk> publish writes, no?
1939: [12:47:42] <spronk2> yes
1940: [12:47:48] <spronk2> but writeWithoutVersion doesn’t trigger publihs
1941: [12:47:48] <wmk> so you don't have to write two templates for a product
1942: [12:48:00] <spronk2> and to answer your question
1943: [12:48:01] <spronk2> yes
1944: [12:48:03] <spronk2> can confirm
1945: [12:48:03] <spronk2> am mad
1946: [12:48:12] <Pymsthk> yeah, but the normal publish triggers a write, then the post publish calls another write.
1947: [12:48:23] <Pymsthk> 1 of them makes a version. the other does not.
1948: [12:48:50] <Pymsthk> wmk: I'm not sure I follow
1949: [12:49:19] <spronk2> Pymsthk: write without version proabbly sholdn’t be entering anything in the versions list
1950: [12:49:24] <Pymsthk> can you use mustache IN ss instead of SS template parser? Should be able to. You'd have to write the interface for the view layer though.
1951: [12:49:31] <Pymsthk> wmk: ^
1952: [12:49:45] <Pymsthk> spronk2: yes, it should not. But publish() does.
1953: [12:49:46] <Pymsthk> afaik.
1954: [12:50:03] <Pymsthk> so publish() VERSION MADE, writeWithoutVersion() NO VERSION MADE
1955: [12:50:16] <wmk> no, i mean using mustache for frontend javascript that gets json from ss
1956: [12:50:20] <g4b0_> sprokn2 & Pymsthk: no loop in my code
1957: [12:50:25] <Pymsthk> wmk: oh, yeah of course.
1958: [12:50:27] <wmk> but the template for displaying the json is generated out of ss
1959: [12:50:29] <spronk2> Pymsthk: yeah, btu what he’s saying
1960: [12:50:31] <spronk2> i think
1961: [12:50:34] <Pymsthk> front end is your domain to do whatever you want with.
1962: [12:50:34] <spronk2> is that there are two version entries made
1963: [12:50:49] <spronk2> publish() —> version made, writeWithoutVersion onAfterPublish —> another verison made, unpublished
1964: [12:50:52] <Pymsthk> wmk: by 'no logic' they mean that the template cannot perform logic when it's doing the render.
1965: [12:50:56] <spronk2> is that right g4b0_ ?
1966: [12:51:04] <g4b0_> writeWithoutVersion() called inside onAfterPublish() STRANGE VERSION MADE :)
1967: [12:51:06] <Pymsthk> it does do if and loops, but you can't do simple equality tests, etc.
1968: [12:51:18] <wmk> Pymsthk, but for a "display this dataobject" template a convertion could be possible.
1969: [12:51:20] <Pymsthk> wmk: https://github.com/janl/mustache.js
1970: [12:51:36] <g4b0_> spronk2: right
1971: [12:51:40] <Pymsthk> wmk: anything is possible. You just have to format the data you feed into the renderer
1972: [12:51:47] <spronk2> hmm
1973: [12:51:51] * spronk2 looks into writeWithoutVersion
1974: [12:52:15] <g4b0_> just 2 LOC...
1975: [12:52:17] <ocmnt> some .htaccess guru here by any chance?
1976: [12:52:28] <Pymsthk> mebbe, mebbe not
1977: [12:52:31] <Pymsthk> depends on QUESTION
1978: [12:52:38] <Pymsthk> gosh ocmnt, you know better!
1979: [12:52:41] <ocmnt> I have this website with all html pages (crawled and scraped SS website)
1980: [12:52:43] <wmk> ok. cause one thing i think to remember from the angular talk was, you need another template for displaying the retrieved data w/ angular
1981: [12:52:51] <ocmnt> now I need the links to work
1982: [12:53:01] <ocmnt> to .html pages without extention, with trailing slash
1983: [12:53:05] <Pymsthk> ocmnt: so you mean like very rewrite tutorial ever?
1984: [12:53:06] <ocmnt> none of the links work
1985: [12:53:18] <ocmnt> yea basically, normally it wont be a problem
1986: [12:53:24] <ocmnt> but it seems I cannot get it fixxed
1987: [12:53:25] <ocmnt> :(
1988: [12:53:28] <Pymsthk> ocmnt: they're probably absolute links or something silly
1989: [12:53:36] <spronk2> well, g4b0_ , it does *seem* strange
1990: [12:54:05] <g4b0_> spronk2: really strange
1991: [12:54:23] <ocmnt> absolute as in href="/page/some/other/page">
1992: [12:54:24] <spronk2> are you sure it’s the writeWithoutVersion call that adds the last entry?
1993: [12:54:26] <ocmnt> absolute as in href="/page/some/other/page/">
1994: [12:54:27] <ocmnt> that is
1995: [12:54:45] <g4b0_> absolutely yes
1996: [12:55:12] <ocmnt> so: href="page/some/other/page/"> would work?
1997: [12:55:13] <ocmnt> :P
1998: [12:55:18] <g4b0_> I was suspecting the same thing
1999: [12:55:26] <g4b0_> so I started a new project
2000: [12:55:34] <g4b0_> from SS dev-master
2001: [12:55:56] <g4b0_> with the code posted in the issue
2002: [12:56:06] <spronk2> http://api.silverstripe.org/3.1/source-class-Versioned.html#610
2003: [12:56:06] <spronk2> hmm
2004: [12:56:12] <spronk2> comments don’t seem to reflect what the code is doing
2005: [12:57:01] <g4b0_> also here there's an inconsistecy: http://doc.silverstripe.org/framework/en/topics/versioning
2006: [12:57:13] <g4b0_> if you call parent::onAfterPublish();
2007: [12:57:18] <g4b0_> you will get an error
2008: [12:57:25] <spronk2> hmm
2009: [12:57:26] <spronk2> what error?
2010: [12:57:35] <g4b0_> Error at framework/core/Object.php line 761: Uncaught Exception: Object->__call(): the method 'onafterpublish' does not exist on 'MyPage' (http://ssdev-master.zk/admin/pages/edit/EditForm)
2011: [12:57:48] <spronk2> iiiiinteresting
2012: [12:57:52] <spronk2> MyPage extends Page?
2013: [12:57:52] <g4b0_> yep
2014: [12:57:55] <g4b0_> yes
2015: [12:58:04] <g4b0_> just for testing purposes
2016: [12:58:28] <spronk2> onAfterPublish is SiteTreeExtension
2017: [12:58:29] <spronk2> hmm
2018: [12:58:33] <g4b0_> the same happens also in onBeforePublish()
2019: [12:58:39] <g4b0_> I know
2020: [12:58:49] <g4b0_> maybe the docs are just outdated
2021: [12:59:04] <spronk2> well
2022: [12:59:06] <spronk2> that should work though
2023: [12:59:14] <spronk2> i think?
2024: [12:59:17] <spronk2> Pymsthk: halp
2025: [12:59:54] <g4b0_> I'm not sure
2026: [13:00:29] <Pymsthk> ??
2027: [13:00:30] <g4b0_> bcause onAfterPublish is called through $this->invokeWithExtensions('onAfterPublish', $original);
2028: [13:00:43] <wmk> ?flush=1 should redirect to a page without flush param....
2029: [13:00:48] <wmk> hitting reload flushes again :(
2030: [13:00:57] <g4b0_> from SiteTree.php
2031: [13:01:09] <spronk2> Pymsthk: should parent::onAfterPublish() work from within a page method
2032: [13:01:31] <Pymsthk> no, not if it's applied via extension.
2033: [13:01:36] <Pymsthk> which it is, iirc.
2034: [13:01:42] <Pymsthk> although mebbe not
2035: [13:01:44] <Pymsthk> check!
2036: [13:01:49] <spronk2> SiteTreeExtension
2037: [13:01:56] <Pymsthk> then no, course not.
2038: [13:02:12] <spronk2> it doesn’t map that method?
2039: [13:02:18] <g4b0_> it seems that method_exists call in Object::invokeWithExtensions returns true
2040: [13:02:21] <Pymsthk> __call doesn't work with statics afaik.
2041: [13:02:22] <Pymsthk> could be wrong.
2042: [13:02:29] <Pymsthk> :: -< static call!
2043: [13:02:37] <Pymsthk> err <-
2044: [13:02:43] <kinglozzer> Pymsthk: __callStatic, but you're right in that it won't work in SilverStripe
2045: [13:02:59] <Pymsthk> kinglozzer: yeh, ss doesn't do callStatic
2046: [13:03:01] <Pymsthk> afaik
2047: [13:03:01] <spronk2> so..
2048: [13:03:06] <spronk2> wtf in the docs
2049: [13:03:09] <Pymsthk> parent:: is a magic special case
2050: [13:03:17] <Pymsthk> spronk2: docs outdated.
2051: [13:03:17] <kinglozzer> Wait parent:: isn't static
2052: [13:03:18] <spronk2> maybe it was extensionised and docs not updated
2053: [13:03:29] <spronk2> no, it isn’t
2054: [13:03:32] <Pymsthk> all taht shit used to be baked straight on DataObject (well, SiteTree)
2055: [13:03:39] <Pymsthk> spronk2: yeh.
2056: [13:03:41] <spronk2> parent is instance
2057: [13:03:58] <Pymsthk> yeah, that's kinda fucked up eh.
2058: [13:04:05] <Pymsthk> :: AMBIGUITY
2059: [13:04:11] <spronk2> m
2060: [13:04:14] <spronk2> should be parent-> really
2061: [13:04:16] <spronk2> but
2062: [13:04:19] <spronk2> its kinda not, at the same time
2063: [13:04:23] <Pymsthk> indeed.
2064: [13:04:24] <kinglozzer> spronk2: Yeah, but parent:: doesn't refer to the DataObject, it refers to the parent of extension class
2065: [13:04:31] <Pymsthk> it's C++ wannabe, but isn't.
2066: [13:04:41] <spronk2> ..it does?
2067: [13:04:48] <kinglozzer> In an extension, yeah
2068: [13:04:49] <kinglozzer> :P
2069: [13:04:54] <spronk2> ohoh
2070: [13:04:56] <spronk2> yeah
2071: [13:05:09] <Pymsthk> yeah, or if it is referring to the page, then of course if the page doesn't have that method... i dunno if it executes magic methods in the case of parent::blah
2072: [13:05:22] <Pymsthk> viper pad to the rescue!
2073: [13:05:24] <Pymsthk> (spronk)
2074: [13:05:25] <spronk2> regardless
2075: [13:05:28] * Adesso still wonders what iirc means (In Internet Relay Chat ?)
2076: [13:05:31] <Pymsthk> I'm bussy :<
2077: [13:05:38] <Pymsthk> Adesso: if I recall correctly
2078: [13:05:45] <Adesso> :D
2079: [13:05:52] <spronk2> why the fuck is it adding a version o_O
2080: [13:06:16] <Pymsthk> because the versioned extension is a pig.
2081: [13:06:34] * Adesso makes Bacon from Pigs..
2082: [13:06:59] <g4b0_> Pymsthk: ahahahaah a pig
2083: [13:08:07] <wmk> Bacon or Ham, Adesso Pymsthk ...?
2084: [13:09:49] <g4b0_> the strange thing is that
2085: [13:10:09] <g4b0_> writeWithoutVersion creates a new version
2086: [13:10:23] <g4b0_> only if it's called inside onAfterPublish()
2087: [13:10:37] <g4b0_> I just had a try inside onBeforePublish()
2088: [13:10:47] <g4b0_> and it worked like a charm
2089: [13:10:52] <g4b0_> :/
2090: [13:11:53] <Pymsthk> I see.
2091: [13:11:57] <Pymsthk> interesting.
2092: [13:12:00] <Pymsthk> update your ticket :>
2093: [13:12:05] <g4b0_> yep
2094: [13:12:09] <Pymsthk> I'm getting lunch (late
2095: [13:12:10] <Pymsthk> )
2096: [13:12:35] <g4b0_> ok, see you onAfterLunch :D
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2098: [13:14:53] <spronk2> i’m going to guess it has something to do with the fact that Versioned uses a flag to indicate whether or not to perform the versioning
2099: [13:15:03] <g4b0_> yep
2100: [13:15:12] <spronk2> but i can’t see what else would be setting it
2101: [13:15:13] <spronk2> so
2102: [13:15:14] <spronk2> hmm
2103: [13:15:17] <g4b0_> but that flag it's not used so widely
2104: [13:16:07] <Adesso> wmk - pretty much anything you want, in the end it's all just a sausage :P
2105: [13:16:32] * Adesso likes sausage aka. Würst
2106: [13:16:41] <wmk> btw: the sausage was very delicous
2107: [13:16:49] <wmk> very...
2108: [13:16:54] <Adesso> I'll pass on the compliment
2109: [13:16:58] <Adesso> ;)
2110: [13:17:23] <Adesso> the Butcher will be happy to hear that Austria approves
2111: [13:17:25] <wmk> please
2112: [13:24:21] <Pymsthk> When I was young and growing up the butcher was right next door to the pet shop
2113: [13:30:46] <ocmnt> Pymsthk, halp!
2114: [13:30:47] <ocmnt> RewriteRule ^(([^/]+/)*[^.]+)$ $1.html
2115: [13:30:51] <ocmnt> still not letting me go to
2116: [13:30:54] <ocmnt> site.com/page/
2117: [13:31:00] <ocmnt> where site.com/page.html works just fine
2118: [13:31:39] <Pymsthk> why so complicated ocmnt ?
2119: [13:31:50] <ocmnt> what would u suggest?
2120: [13:32:02] <Pymsthk> idk, still tryin gto figure out what that does
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2122: [13:32:30] <Pymsthk> yep, that's pretty redundant :<
2123: [13:32:39] <Pymsthk> ^(([^/]+/)*
2124: [13:32:39] <Pymsthk> ==
2125: [13:32:43] <Pymsthk> ^/*
2126: [13:32:51] <ocmnt> is it?
2127: [13:32:52] <Pymsthk> so far as I can tell
2128: [13:33:08] <Pymsthk> oh wait no, hat on a class is exclusive
2129: [13:33:10] <Pymsthk> :<
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2131: [13:34:12] <Pymsthk> but why not just (.*)\.html$
2132: [13:34:16] <Pymsthk> or something
2133: [13:34:22] <Pymsthk> .+ probably actually
2134: [13:34:42] <Pymsthk> or \w
2135: [13:34:46] <Pymsthk> \w+
2136: [13:35:06] <Pymsthk> [\w\d]+
2137: [13:35:08] <Pymsthk> idk
2138: [13:35:31] <Pymsthk> depends on how powerful and the idiosyncrasies of apache's regex hander are
2139: [13:38:29] <ocmnt> fucck that shit
2140: [13:38:33] <ocmnt> I am an idiot
2141: [13:38:41] <ocmnt> seems I am unable to get it to work somehow
2142: [13:39:05] <ocmnt> the trailing slash on the end of the url is messing me up
2143: [13:47:53] <wmk> /$
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2145: [13:49:41] <Pymsthk> (.+)/$ $1
2146: [13:49:44] <Pymsthk> or something
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2149: [13:52:13] <newedgenik> afternoon :)
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2151: [13:55:23] <newedgenik> probably a really simple one, but i'm going round in circles trying to find this : editing the text field label 'Email' to 'Username' on the login form.. i've tried editing ymls, no joy. any help appreciated. =)
2152: [14:02:46] <ocmnt> Pymsthk, this seemed to do the trick
2153: [14:02:48] <ocmnt> RewriteCond %{DOCUMENT_ROOT}/$1\.html -f [NC]
2154: [14:02:48] <ocmnt> RewriteRule ^(.+?)/?$ $1.html [L]
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2156: [14:06:29] <Pymsthk> newedgenik: but it wants emails.
2157: [14:06:45] <Pymsthk> unless you've registered your own authenticator
2158: [14:07:22] <Pymsthk> The other thing you could do (which might be easier) is just overwrite it with CSS, if it's really that important (and you never have any other language visitors)
2159: [14:08:03] <Pymsthk> ::before content:"Username"
2160: [14:08:08] <Pymsthk> show it, hide the parent
2161: [14:08:19] <Pymsthk> or change font colour to same as background, idk.
2162: [14:08:31] <Pymsthk> but since the system actually wants an email, it's best to give it an email.
2163: [14:08:41] <Pymsthk> otherwise things like 'forgot my password' stop working.
2164: [14:08:42] <Pymsthk> entirely.
2165: [14:09:42] <newedgenik> @pymsthk - i just do what the client asks (or i try anyway), i'll try the css trick for now. thanks :)
2166: [14:13:39] <kinglozzer> newedgenik, Pymsthk: I think we did it before with lang files... maybe...
2167: [14:13:43] * kinglozzer checks
2168: [14:14:55] <hubertusanton> hi created a BlogPage many_many Tags and in Ubuntu 14 after saving a listbox field all Tag DataObjects are gone? Anyone ever encountered this one? I cried on the toilet for 2 hours now but that did not help ...
2169: [14:15:29] <newedgenik> kinglozzer yeah i tried that, even edited the US, and GB versions to make sure.. still nothing.
2170: [14:15:59] <Pymsthk> kinglozzer: see that tweet from thehacksaw?
2171: [14:16:04] <Pymsthk> I don't get it :<
2172: [14:16:10] <kinglozzer> newedgenik: $label=singleton('Member')->fieldLabel(Member::config()->unique_identifier_field);
2173: [14:16:11] <hubertusanton> Ubuntu 12 saves the relations perfectly and mysql logs show no DELETE querie for deleted Tag Dataobject
2174: [14:16:18] <kinglozzer> That's how it gets the label for Email field
2175: [14:16:25] <kinglozzer> Probably won't be of any help :)
2176: [14:16:47] <kinglozzer> Pymsthk: No, when was it?
2177: [14:17:02] <Pymsthk> kinglozzer: 10 mins ago
2178: [14:17:17] <Pymsthk> "Spotted in opticians. Who needs up-to-date magazines anyway?"
2179: [14:17:29] <kinglozzer> Oh, twitter decided to unfollow him for me
2180: [14:17:34] <Pymsthk> the picture supplied shows a magazine with the date "1 SEPT 2014"
2181: [14:17:39] <kinglozzer> 1st September 2014
2182: [14:17:46] <kinglozzer> Not _that_ bad :P
2183: [14:17:48] <Pymsthk> I'm thinking "good thing he's at the optitions then"
2184: [14:17:58] <Pymsthk> opticians*
2185: [14:18:02] <kinglozzer> Hell, my dentist has magazines from like 2008
2186: [14:18:07] <Pymsthk> kinglozzer: yeah, only ONE month
2187: [14:18:16] <Pymsthk> not even 200!
2188: [14:22:05] <Pymsthk> It's only just over a month too
2189: [14:22:23] <Pymsthk> kinglozzer: so I'm not missing some kind of weird norfolk in-joke or something?
2190: [14:22:37] <kinglozzer> Not one that I'm aware of :P
2191: [14:31:06] <Pymsthk> kinglozzer: lol world standards day isn't standard.
2192: [14:31:09] <Pymsthk> LULZ
2193: [14:31:40] <kinglozzer> I know, fucking amazing!
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2195: [14:38:51] <Pymsthk> oxymoronic, again as usual because of the yanks.
2196: [14:39:45] <kinglozzer> Got given a kinder egg by someone in the building :D
2197: [14:39:51] <kinglozzer> But the toy was rubbish :(
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2201: [14:58:39] <Pymsthk> kinglozzer: so... status quo?
2202: [14:59:33] <kinglozzer> Pymsthk: Pretty much, yeah
2203: [15:03:22] <Pymsthk> fuck. Manager out showing off new feature to client. Doesn't work. Rings me up. I use new feature. Doesn't work. Hang up. I open file. Make some debug statements. They're correct. Revert file to original state. FEATURE WORKS FINE -.-
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2208: [15:31:17] <Pymsthk> ffffff still an hour left :<
2209: [15:33:47] <kinglozzer> Pymsthk: Just what I was thinking
2210: [15:33:56] <kinglozzer> I've hit the post-4:00 slump
2211: [15:34:06] <Pymsthk> kinglozzer: don't you stop at 5 though?
2212: [15:34:12] <Pymsthk> you only got half an hour left!
2213: [15:34:20] <kinglozzer> Pymsthk: Will do today, yeah
2214: [15:34:25] <Pymsthk> lucky :<
2215: [15:34:27] <kinglozzer> Depends how long I take for lunch
2216: [15:34:37] <kinglozzer> 30 mins = 5:00, 1 hr = 5:30
2217: [15:34:39] <Pymsthk> Hmm I didn't have lunch, I wonder if I could get away with skiving out early
2218: [15:34:51] <Pymsthk> kinglozzer: yeh
2219: [15:34:58] <Pymsthk> pretty much here, except nothing official
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2224: [15:53:00] <Pymsthk> and then, as usual, Now I've started doing something and am not counting minutes anymore, I'll probably end up going "oh fuck it's 5:30" in about half an hour :/
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2255: [19:09:38] <PapaBearNZ> Hiya Stomach :)
2256: [19:09:44] <Stomach> hey buddy
2257: [19:09:48] <Stomach> hows it going
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2260: [19:19:54] <antmas> morning all
2261: [19:20:22] <Kingy> morning antmas
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2263: [19:24:08] <antmas> Kingy: hey how many km's you running at the moment?
2264: [19:24:27] <Kingy> I've done >10 the last 2 weekends
2265: [19:24:47] <antmas> you only run weekends?
2266: [19:24:49] <Kingy> and during the weeks I'm just trying to run faster 5km
2267: [19:25:05] <Kingy> nah I run probably 4 times a week
2268: [19:25:11] <antmas> I'm about to get back into it
2269: [19:25:11] <Kingy> was stupid and ran twice on monday
2270: [19:25:33] <antmas> 5kms is a pretty good place to get to to speed up imo
2271: [19:25:36] <Kingy> nice. I'm finally starting to enjoy it
2272: [19:25:51] <Kingy> yeah and we have a nice little 5km loop by home so it's good
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2274: [19:26:04] <Kingy> did a 28min the other day so i'm pretty happy
2275: [19:26:24] <antmas> yeah I'm going to run to and back from my old flat which is about 5kms away :D
2276: [19:27:03] <antmas> what's a good running app?
2277: [19:27:15] <antmas> I have that zombie run game but it's wayyyyy to stressful
2278: [19:27:16] <Kingy> I use mapmyrun
2279: [19:27:17] <antmas> :P
2280: [19:27:30] <Kingy> only problem is it only yells out miles
2281: [19:27:41] <Kingy> so it's like you've done 1.61 kilometres
2282: [19:27:47] <Kingy> so annoying
2283: [19:28:20] <antmas> I'd rather not know during, but after
2284: [19:28:29] <Kingy> yeah you can turn it off
2285: [19:28:33] <Kingy> i usually have it off for longer runs
2286: [19:28:39] <Kingy> but while im trying to run faster it's good to know
2287: [19:28:48] <antmas> nice
2288: [19:28:58] <antmas> yeah I don't even run with music
2289: [19:28:59] <Kingy> it says distance/time/split km's
2290: [19:29:06] <antmas> I can't keep track of my breathing otherwise
2291: [19:29:13] <Kingy> yah i've found that as well
2292: [19:31:17] <antmas> there is this fern on my desk
2293: [19:31:27] <antmas> I can let that thing basically die to the point of no return
2294: [19:31:38] <antmas> and like, 1/2 a tsp of water and it's back
2295: [19:31:41] <antmas> :D
2296: [19:32:04] <Kingy> haha
2297: [19:34:10] <Fuxo> I have a problem with my model admin, after I use search and click on any item found, left menu is doubled
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2299: [19:35:18] <Stomach> we heard you like menus, so we put a menu in your menu so you can edit while you edit
2300: [19:37:29] <antmas> mmm Android L
2301: [19:37:31] <antmas> looks so good
2302: [19:38:27] <Stomach> hopefully the nexus 6 costs a lot less than the iphone 6
2303: [19:38:54] <Kingy> Pretty much will
2304: [19:39:05] <antmas> bound to yeh
2305: [19:39:14] <antmas> will probably be my next phone
2306: [19:40:34] <Stomach> "priced slightly below, or in line with, competing devices from Apple"
2307: [19:40:36] <Stomach> :(
2308: [19:40:46] <antmas> will it sd card?
2309: [19:41:22] <Stomach> nexus 6 is only $100USD cheaper than iPhone
2310: [19:41:23] <Stomach> dumb.
2311: [19:42:34] <antmas> yeah but that will translate quite differently here
2312: [19:42:46] <Fuxo> moto x will get android l as well, much better deal
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2314: [19:43:37] <Fuxo> and 6" phone is way too big
2315: [19:43:58] <Kingy> nah needs at least 7
2316: [19:44:23] <antmas> S3 is the perfect size imo
2317: [19:44:48] <antmas> 5.3-5.5 max
2318: [19:46:25] <antmas> grggggggggggggggggggggggr
2319: [19:46:44] <antmas> senior dev left to go hunting for the weekend and didn't check any code back in :|
2320: [19:46:49] <antmas> Y U DO DIS
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2323: [19:59:56] <Ryan-Toast> I find 5.5” is perfect size for me.
2324: [20:00:28] <Ryan-Toast> 4.5""
2325: [20:00:30] <Ryan-Toast> ***
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2327: [20:01:39] <antmas> Ryan-Toast: yo, what'd you get pulled over for?
2328: [20:01:48] <Ryan-Toast> antmas: being a black motorcycle.
2329: [20:01:51] <harold> hi guys, I seem to have lost my home page
2330: [20:02:10] <harold> in my cms if i click thew link in the url segment I see my page
2331: [20:02:29] <Ryan-Toast> harold: is the page publisheD?
2332: [20:02:30] <harold> but if i go to the root of my domain I see a default page with no stlying
2333: [20:02:42] <harold> yers
2334: [20:02:50] <harold> I've flushed and rebuilt several times
2335: [20:02:56] <Ryan-Toast> harold: did you add an empty template apage?
2336: [20:03:17] <harold> what do you mean by empty?
2337: [20:03:25] <harold> btw all was working fine yesterday
2338: [20:03:33] <harold> i just opened my page and found the problem
2339: [20:03:37] <Ryan-Toast> harold: Did you add say a HomePage.ss into the root of the templates folder?
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2341: [20:04:09] <harold> yes i have a HomePage.ss in layouts
2342: [20:04:18] <antmas> Ryan-Toast: racism
2343: [20:04:54] <Ryan-Toast> harold: what’s in your HomePage.php class?
2344: [20:05:00] <Ryan-Toast> can you post the code?
2345: [20:05:13] <harold> for the template?
2346: [20:05:43] <Ryan-Toast> for the class.
2347: [20:05:48] <Ryan-Toast> your HomePage class :)
2348: [20:07:19] <harold> Ryan-Toast: just gotta to eat I'll be abck in about 45 mins
2349: [20:07:26] <Ryan-Toast> harold: hoekay
2350: [20:07:29] <harold> sorry to cut out so abruptedly
2351: [20:07:33] <Ryan-Toast> harold: np :P
2352: [20:07:33] <harold> cool thanlks
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2356: [20:24:50] <antmas> Ryan-Toast: hey is the bp demo a bit borked?
2357: [20:25:13] <Ryan-Toast> antmas: no? where
2358: [20:25:37] <antmas> Ryan-Toast: errrr, nvm had compat view on
2359: [20:25:45] <antmas> :D
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2361: [20:26:20] <Ryan-Toast> antmas: :P
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2364: [20:28:56] <antmas> Ryan-Toast: did you have a gif or some shiz that shows off where the mailchimp feature is at?
2365: [20:29:27] <Ryan-Toast> antmas: mailchimp module isn’t in the repo
2366: [20:30:23] <antmas> Ryan-Toast: you have it on the feature list though?
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2368: [20:31:40] <antmas> Ryan-Toast: you could branch it off and I can work on it
2369: [20:31:41] <antmas> :D
2370: [20:32:44] <Ryan-Toast> antmas: I could, but I’m not going to :P
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2372: [20:32:57] <antmas> Ryan-Toast: :|
2373: [20:33:05] <Ryan-Toast> I can give you the files if you want?
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2376: [20:33:27] <antmas> Ryan-Toast: do eeeet, It's something I'm going to use quite a bit
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2378: [20:33:36] <Ryan-Toast> antmas: sure, chuck me your email
2379: [20:35:12] <antmas> Ryan-Toast: chur
2380: [20:35:15] <Ryan-Toast> antmas: np
2381: [20:35:29] <Ryan-Toast> chuck it in the bp modules folder
2382: [20:35:39] <antmas> for a while, I will mostly just be signing people up and posting the campaigns to a page
2383: [20:35:50] <antmas> but list management would be tits
2384: [20:37:04] <Ryan-Toast> antmas: have fun with that code. It’s a bit messy atm :P
2385: [20:37:46] <antmas> Ryan-Toast: meh, it's not too bad :P
2386: [20:38:07] <Kingy> +1 for mailchimp
2387: [20:38:12] <Kingy> antmas: push to github once fixed :P
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2389: [20:39:38] <Ryan-Toast> Kingy: it’s fine, I just haven’t finished it yet :P
2390: [20:39:53] <Kingy> sweet
2391: [20:39:57] <Ryan-Toast> Waiting for a client to need it so I don’t waste time on it for nothing.
2392: [20:40:07] <Ryan-Toast> and they can pay to have it developed
2393: [20:40:19] <Kingy> I'll put in $10
2394: [20:40:38] <Ryan-Toast> lol +1
2395: [20:42:37] <Kingy> Ryan-Toast: you should just put composer require undefinedoffset/sortablegridfield in your readme
2396: [20:42:54] <zippy> +1 dogecoin
2397: [20:42:56] <Kingy> instead of saying download sortablegridfield
2398: [20:43:26] <Ryan-Toast> Kingy: It’sin my composer isn’t it?
2399: [20:43:45] <Kingy> ja
2400: [20:43:51] <Kingy> get rid of it in the readme then :P
2401: [20:44:02] <Ryan-Toast> but if people don’t use composer
2402: [20:44:24] <Kingy> pre-requisites heading then :P
2403: [20:44:53] <Ryan-Toast> Ugh, open source. Actually have to instruct stuff.
2404: [20:45:13] <Ryan-Toast> even when you install with composer you still have to move shit around, haha
2405: [20:45:28] <Ryan-Toast> need to figure out how to get stuiff in the right place.
2406: [20:45:57] <PapaBearNZ> I've got a couple of 5c pieces lying around I can throw at the project *grin*
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2408: [20:48:33] <Kingy> probably worth about 6c these days PapaBearNZ. Profit!
2409: [20:49:39] <UncleCheese> doing a bit of brainstorming, and i thought i'd turn to IRC
2410: [20:50:17] <UncleCheese> we're working up a Learn section for ss.org where people can learn SS through context-driven tutorials, ie you're working on a fake project that coheres all the lessons
2411: [20:50:44] <UncleCheese> what types of sites can you think of that would be really good for bringing in a variety of lessons?
2412: [20:50:58] <zippy> not a blog!
2413: [20:51:00] <UncleCheese> ecomm is an obvious one, but we don't want to be that generic.. something more relatable, maybe?
2414: [20:51:04] <UncleCheese> zippy not a blog
2415: [20:51:24] <adrexia> subsites asnd static publisher ;)
2416: [20:51:44] <UncleCheese> we were thinking a telco?
2417: [20:51:56] <adrexia> too specific?
2418: [20:51:59] <UncleCheese> so ideally the site has to have a marketing presence so you can get all the n00b stuff out of the way
2419: [20:52:01] <Kingy> yeah..
2420: [20:52:05] <UncleCheese> page driven content, etc
2421: [20:52:17] <UncleCheese> and then the site needs to have some kind of customer portal so you can get into all the fun stuff
2422: [20:52:22] <UncleCheese> custom controllers and everytihng
2423: [20:52:22] <micmania1> UncleCheese: contact forms are good.
2424: [20:52:29] <micmania1> with a thank you page.
2425: [20:52:35] <Kingy> rofl
2426: [20:52:40] <UncleCheese> yeah that will be an early tutorial, i think
2427: [20:52:42] <adrexia> fake tv station?
2428: [20:52:47] <UncleCheese> oooh
2429: [20:53:12] <UncleCheese> with a customer login?
2430: [20:53:28] <adrexia> Or you could hickjack/ reuse the fake movie thing that was done to demonstrate personalization a couple of years agp
2431: [20:53:31] <adrexia> yep
2432: [20:54:08] <adrexia> where people can make list of the shows they watch and maytbe get notifications when their favourite series are about to start
2433: [20:54:21] <UncleCheese> that's goood
2434: [20:54:40] <PapaBearNZ> UncleCheese: I definitely think something with Ajax - perhaps an Ajax driven form of some kind. And a restful API?
2435: [20:54:46] <micmania1> or maybe a movie site where people can login and rate movies? The admin could add new movies thorugh the cms.
2436: [20:54:51] <UncleCheese> yeah, we'll do that
2437: [20:54:52] <adrexia> As an online tv watcher - that would be a useful feature that nbone of those sites have ;)
2438: [20:55:05] <UncleCheese> i like that
2439: [20:55:05] <Kingy> this online tv is good idea
2440: [20:55:25] <UncleCheese> one feature we want to showcase is some sort of ecomm
2441: [20:55:31] <UncleCheese> so the tv station needs to take payment
2442: [20:55:33] <UncleCheese> for.. soemthing
2443: [20:55:40] <PapaBearNZ> I agree with the online tv idea. You could have a customer fan forum where customers could bookmark their favourite movies and share them - with a forum, etc.
2444: [20:55:43] <zippy> premium membership for the rate movies for some gold feature
2445: [20:56:01] <PapaBearNZ> PayPerView?
2446: [20:56:04] <adrexia> UncleCheese maybe some shows are pay per view
2447: [20:56:11] <adrexia> or movies are
2448: [20:56:16] <zippy> pay per view mayb
2449: [20:56:18] <PapaBearNZ> eg the latest big fight or $LOCALSPORTSTEAM
2450: [20:56:22] <adrexia> or subscription
2451: [20:56:28] <adrexia> or pay to remove ads
2452: [20:56:30] <zippy> or both
2453: [20:56:32] <UncleCheese> yeah, i like that
2454: [20:56:39] <UncleCheese> it's very generous
2455: [20:56:58] <PapaBearNZ> The online tv could be selling memorabilia for popular shows or Pop Culture items?
2456: [20:57:13] <UncleCheese> PapaBearNZ Yeah!
2457: [20:57:29] <UncleCheese> it's okay it its a bit far-fetched.. it just can't be unrealistic
2458: [20:58:15] <PapaBearNZ> Also leaves room for subsites eg a show has it's own presence within the overall system perhaps
2459: [20:58:36] <antmas> Ryan-Toast: I can finish it for you :D
2460: [20:58:40] <Kingy> +1 if you make the PPV sports match a video of silverstripers playing sport
2461: [20:58:48] <Ryan-Toast> antmas: coolio :)
2462: [20:58:49] <UncleCheese> only thing is
2463: [20:58:52] <antmas> I'm low on moonlight stuff at the moment so got nothing else to do
2464: [20:59:02] <PapaBearNZ> Kingy - yeah - the Comedy channel *grin*
2465: [20:59:08] <Kingy> ahaha
2466: [20:59:12] <UncleCheese> there's this big gaping hole of how to show live streaming content in a fake demo site
2467: [20:59:26] <UncleCheese> so when you get to the tutorial on how to build the "watch now" page
2468: [20:59:33] <UncleCheese> what do we put in place of the big player?
2469: [20:59:45] <Kingy> UncleCheese: the demo would only need 1 or 2 examples, and just embed a youtube video or something
2470: [20:59:48] <zippy> UncleCheese: office web cam? :) or a council camera maybe, or a twitch stream..
2471: [21:00:01] <UncleCheese> yeah, ok
2472: [21:00:09] <UncleCheese> so for proof of concept, we could just render a video tag
2473: [21:00:14] <Kingy> +1
2474: [21:00:15] <antmas> yeah
2475: [21:00:18] <antmas> +1
2476: [21:00:24] <PapaBearNZ> UncleCheese: agreed - future development perhaps - but incoporating a movie stored in the cms and streamed in the page is doable.
2477: [21:00:24] <UncleCheese> and have the demo come with some h64 file .. or whatever they are
2478: [21:00:28] <antmas> is there a vid up on ss.org now?
2479: [21:00:39] <UncleCheese> just a proof on concept
2480: [21:00:51] <UncleCheese> at /software/downloads
2481: [21:00:57] <Kingy> UncleCheese: yeah a small video would be fine
2482: [21:00:58] <UncleCheese> how to install ss
2483: [21:01:09] <UncleCheese> keen to hear your feeback, because that's the format they'll be following
2484: [21:01:12] <UncleCheese> cool!
2485: [21:01:16] <UncleCheese> so while i have everyone's attention
2486: [21:01:23] <UncleCheese> can we brainstorm some good names for the TV station?
2487: [21:01:30] <UncleCheese> can and should be whimsical and funny
2488: [21:01:34] <UncleCheese> TrollTV
2489: [21:01:46] <PapaBearNZ> BTW - Does anyone know if a SS dev has done a site incorporating a secure live-chat? Not just an instant messaging idea or forum but a genuine multi-way live chat?
2490: [21:01:50] <Kingy> StripedTV
2491: [21:02:24] <UncleCheese> PapaBearNZ not that i know of.. that's a service much more suited for a node app
2492: [21:02:27] <zippy> StripeyTv
2493: [21:02:37] * irogue_ has joined #silverstripe
2494: [21:02:38] <UncleCheese> not to say it can't be integratedd in SS, but you'd probably want a separate vhost.. . chat.mysite.com
2495: [21:02:41] <Kingy> zippy: put stripes through the video
2496: [21:02:42] <zippy> SilverStream
2497: [21:02:47] <PapaBearNZ> A RFP we want to respond to has live-chat as a must-have
2498: [21:02:48] <Kingy> oh god no
2499: [21:02:48] <UncleCheese> SilverStream!!!!!!
2500: [21:02:50] <UncleCheese> LOL!
2501: [21:03:02] <Kingy> i hate that school
2502: [21:03:03] <zippy> :D
2503: [21:03:07] <antmas> that
2504: [21:03:15] <antmas> that's close to StarScream so win
2505: [21:03:17] <micmania1> PapaBearNZ: http://socketo.me/demo
2506: [21:03:18] <UncleCheese> PapaBearNZ you can do "secure" chat if you have HTTPS
2507: [21:03:21] <PapaBearNZ> SilverStream?!?! We're in Wellywood witha vengeance now! heheh
2508: [21:03:37] <UncleCheese> yeah, there are heaps of plug-and-play solutions for chat
2509: [21:03:52] <irogue_> PapaBearNZ: could potentially use https://appear.in/
2510: [21:03:54] <zippy> StreamingTut
2511: [21:04:04] <Kingy> Toot
2512: [21:04:05] <micmania1> ratchet does php web sockets. Could easily integrate with SilverStripe.
2513: [21:04:16] <irogue_> it's WebRTC, so creates a secure p2p connection between all of the participants
2514: [21:04:19] <UncleCheese> SilverStream is good, but only relatable to lower North Island NZ residents
2515: [21:04:41] <UncleCheese> micmania1 have you had any luck with PHP web sockets? I've heard nothing but bad things
2516: [21:04:50] <irogue_> it's one of the things on my module ideas list to create a WebRTC module for SS
2517: [21:05:05] <micmania1> only ever messed about with them. There was a good talk about it at PHP NZ
2518: [21:05:08] <UncleCheese> in fact, I read a great blog post by facebook.. when they built their chat module, they looked at WS and ultimately just decided to use old fashioned live polling
2519: [21:05:10] <UncleCheese> long*
2520: [21:05:10] <Kingy> Didn't that speaker use WebRTC at WDCNZ?
2521: [21:05:18] <irogue_> Kingy: yup
2522: [21:05:23] <irogue_> thats the one I went to instead of PapaBearNZ's :P
2523: [21:05:32] <Kingy> yeah I haven't watched it yet
2524: [21:05:36] <Kingy> watched PapaBearNZ instead
2525: [21:05:38] <UncleCheese> there's absolutely nothing wrong with using a LAMP stack with long polling
2526: [21:05:41] <UncleCheese> no performance overhead or anything
2527: [21:05:47] <UncleCheese> you jsut get coolness points for using WS :)
2528: [21:06:55] <micmania1> http://reactphp.org/ - This is what I was thinking of. It uses Ratchet.
2529: [21:06:58] <irogue_> UncleCheese: there can be issues with long polling at the other end, though. many corporate firewalls flag long-running HTTP/HTTPS requests as likely to be download/uploads
2530: [21:07:47] <Kingy> micmania1: glad you learnt something at phpconf :P
2531: [21:08:05] <UncleCheese> irogue_ that's interesting
2532: [21:08:13] <micmania1> haha it was good. I already knew about it but have never seen it demo’s or antyhign
2533: [21:08:23] <UncleCheese> becuase if you look at the console when you're on facebook, it's constantly opening new HTTP requests
2534: [21:08:30] <UncleCheese> i wonder how they skate around that?
2535: [21:08:33] <irogue_> one of our clients can't run one of our BuildTasks because their firewall kills the connection after X seconds (before the task finishes running) if it doesn't receive data
2536: [21:08:54] <UncleCheese> micmania1 reactphp is pretty balls
2537: [21:09:08] <irogue_> UncleCheese: that sounds like constant polling rather than long-polling then :P
2538: [21:09:19] <antmas> SSTB
2539: [21:09:21] <antmas> TV*
2540: [21:09:25] <micmania1> you used it before? Looked quite good to me - although it was just a basic example.
2541: [21:09:26] <UncleCheese> irogue well said
2542: [21:09:41] <UncleCheese> any wellingtonians ever appealed a parking ticket?
2543: [21:09:45] <UncleCheese> here's my excuse
2544: [21:09:46] <micmania1> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/22048027/ratchet-web-socket-server-running-within-silverstripe - Someone already did it.
2545: [21:09:57] <UncleCheese> "I didn't realise that WOF and registration were two different things."
2546: [21:10:03] <Kingy> lol antmas Silverstripe Tuberculosis
2547: [21:10:23] <Kingy> UncleCheese: that won't stick
2548: [21:10:43] <antmas> lol
2549: [21:10:53] <UncleCheese> ok
2550: [21:10:55] <UncleCheese> take 2
2551: [21:10:57] <irogue_> UncleCheese: if it was a rego/wof fine rather than a parking fine, it's likely the council can't cancel it anyway
2552: [21:11:04] <micmania1> UncleCheese: just argue that the signage wasn’t in your native maori language
2553: [21:11:05] <antmas> UncleCheese: yeah terrible exuse becuase you can't have without the other
2554: [21:11:06] <irogue_> as they're just fining on behalf of NZTA
2555: [21:11:15] <UncleCheese> "I'm a dumb American. I didn't realise there are two things you have to have."
2556: [21:11:28] <irogue_> (the council don't even get to keep any of the revenue from wof/rego fines)
2557: [21:11:29] <UncleCheese> well i got the WOF
2558: [21:12:03] <UncleCheese> i think the issue is that the rego was good for a year and the WOF was only good for 6 months
2559: [21:12:09] <irogue_> UncleCheese: is there not compliance on the ticket?
2560: [21:12:15] <UncleCheese> so i got my new WOF and the rego was all good, so i was never alrerted to that
2561: [21:12:31] <UncleCheese> i'm used to getting my rego and the inspection (USA's WOF) at the same time
2562: [21:12:42] <irogue_> in Auckland, if you get fined for no rego, as long as you send in photographic proof you've gone and got a rego within 14 days of the ticket, they waive the ticket
2563: [21:12:59] <antmas> irogue_: 30 days down here
2564: [21:13:01] <UncleCheese> irogue_ ?!
2565: [21:13:22] <irogue_> police generally do the same thing if they pull you over without a rego
2566: [21:13:42] <irogue_> tho it does get noted on file so if you get pinged for it repeatedly they'll stop waiving it
2567: [21:13:51] <antmas> I got pulled over when I let mine lapse for a week and still got 30 days
2568: [21:14:31] <irogue_> antmas: a mate of mine was driving his car that both the rego and wof expired >3 years ago
2569: [21:14:42] <irogue_> got 30 days compliance, didn't end up having to pay any fines
2570: [21:15:00] <Kingy> UncleCheese: if the ticket was for not having a WoF, just get it and then send in a letter (or go visit) and they should waive it
2571: [21:15:15] <Kingy> or the same for rego
2572: [21:15:15] <antmas> irogue_: lol 3 years
2573: [21:15:16] <antmas> epic
2574: [21:15:26] * auto9 quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2575: [21:15:57] <Kingy> irogue_: the thing is, the only people who get fined in that case are the ... "FTP, YOU'RE JUST PICKING ON ME COZ I'M ..." people
2576: [21:16:06] <irogue_> yup
2577: [21:16:07] <irogue_> exactly
2578: [21:16:16] <irogue_> if you're not a dick, the police are generally massively leniant
2579: [21:16:22] <irogue_> cos they cbf doing the paperwork :P
2580: [21:16:23] <Kingy> like watching police 10/7 and the like
2581: [21:16:33] <antmas> exactly
2582: [21:16:37] <Kingy> the cops are usually pretty chill until the people start acting like muppets
2583: [21:16:43] <UncleCheese> i don't see anything about compliance on the tikcet
2584: [21:16:48] <antmas> loved it when I saw a mate on 10/7
2585: [21:17:04] <harold> Ryan-Toast: hi I'm back, here is my code
2586: [21:17:07] <harold> https://gist.github.com/anonymous/564d24a2c819cfc1ec21
2587: [21:17:12] <irogue_> UncleCheese: I have heard that WCC's parking folk are real tightarses. so they may not do compliance.
2588: [21:17:24] <irogue_> UncleCheese: worth a try though - just get rego, take a photo of it, send it in
2589: [21:17:24] <Kingy> holy crap... irccloud embeds gists
2590: [21:17:26] <Kingy> epic
2591: [21:18:08] <Kingy> harold: where is HomePage.ss located?
2592: [21:18:38] <harold> themes/silverstripe-bootstrap-master/templates/Layout
2593: [21:18:52] <antmas> irogue_: UncleCheese yeah I'd be suprised if it didn't work
2594: [21:19:11] <antmas> but then again, council gonnna council
2595: [21:19:38] <Kingy> antmas knows that all too well
2596: [21:19:50] <antmas> indeed
2597: [21:19:55] <Kingy> harold: any errors in logs?
2598: [21:21:28] <harold> let me check
2599: [21:22:32] <adrexia> Oh, I like SilverStream. Even without the obvious place name connection - it sounds good.
2600: [21:22:51] <adrexia> like SilverScreen
2601: [21:22:58] <irogue_> hmmmm
2602: [21:23:04] <UncleCheese> ha
2603: [21:23:13] <UncleCheese> the TV station idea is getting big support internally
2604: [21:23:21] <Kingy> pmuch win
2605: [21:23:21] <adrexia> good.
2606: [21:23:32] <UncleCheese> well done, adrexia .. it's almost like you're part of the team or something
2607: [21:23:33] <adrexia> my work here is done.
2608: [21:23:34] <harold> error log is 0 bytes
2609: [21:23:35] <antmas> yeah SilverStream is the best so far at least
2610: [21:23:37] <irogue_> I should totally do a WebRTC module. That'd be a pretty neat one
2611: [21:23:38] <adrexia> :P
2612: [21:23:39] <Kingy> adrexia: what's your next big idea for us :P
2613: [21:23:48] <adrexia> candy
2614: [21:23:50] <antmas> irogue_: YES
2615: [21:23:53] <Kingy> harold: php error log?
2616: [21:24:07] <adrexia> I want an online candy store
2617: [21:24:07] <Kingy> irogue_: i'd be keen
2618: [21:24:18] <antmas> Kingy: irogue_ yeah me too
2619: [21:24:27] <adrexia> and a pony
2620: [21:24:30] <irogue_> antmas, Kingy: keen to help? :P
2621: [21:24:47] <Kingy> yeah i've got not much else to do
2622: [21:24:51] <antmas> UncleCheese: those dev talks / internal talks would be awesome to be able to watch via stream
2623: [21:25:07] <antmas> irogue_: yeah I could starting labour weekend
2624: [21:25:08] <adrexia> oh, agree. That would be cool
2625: [21:25:26] <UncleCheese> antmas do you know about the core dev hangout we have planned?
2626: [21:26:17] <antmas> UncleCheese: nope?
2627: [21:27:06] <UncleCheese> a bunch of the core devs are going to do a google hang out and discuss user submitted questions
2628: [21:27:11] <UncleCheese> see the dev mailing list
2629: [21:27:16] <antmas> how often?
2630: [21:27:17] <UncleCheese> people are listing questions they want answered
2631: [21:27:18] <UncleCheese> umm
2632: [21:27:22] <UncleCheese> at least monthly
2633: [21:27:26] <antmas> nice
2634: [21:27:52] <adrexia> oh yeah, the dev mailing lkist is still being sent to my silverstripe account. should probably fix that at some point
2635: [21:27:53] <UncleCheese> but we're also going to launch a podcast that will also feature core devs from time to time do do a mailbag kind of thing
2636: [21:27:55] <irogue_> ooh, labour weekend is next weekend
2637: [21:27:59] <irogue_> that came quick
2638: [21:28:03] <UncleCheese> it is?!
2639: [21:28:11] <zippy> yup
2640: [21:28:19] <adrexia> good. I need a holiday
2641: [21:28:26] <harold> iI can't see any errors
2642: [21:28:34] * irogue_ will be in Wellington getting drunk with silverstripers and silverpikers :P
2643: [21:29:27] <antmas> irogue_: so everyone and ss23?
2644: [21:29:28] <Kingy> is there a meetup?
2645: [21:29:43] <irogue_> Kingy: company party
2646: [21:29:49] <adrexia> oh yeah, we have the party, right?
2647: [21:29:53] <irogue_> adrexia: yup
2648: [21:30:18] <antmas> irogue_: hey who's the new Jho there?
2649: [21:30:29] <adrexia> shoul;d probably pout that in my calaender
2650: [21:30:42] <irogue_> antmas: there isn't one. there's a new accounts manager in wellington tho.
2651: [21:30:55] <antmas> irogue_: ah right
2652: [21:30:58] <antmas> irogue_: name?
2653: [21:31:48] <irogue_> antmas: cant remember. until you're told otherwise though, probably assume your account manager is still tim.
2654: [21:32:16] <antmas> irogue_: yeah that'd be right
2655: [21:32:26] <antmas> Peter somebody was mentioned
2656: [21:32:49] <Kingy> yep we deal with Peter
2657: [21:32:50] <Kingy> I think
2658: [21:33:01] <adrexia> yes, pretty sure you do Kingy
2659: [21:33:11] <Kingy> I've met him on Skype once upon a time
2660: [21:33:24] <antmas> I think he came down here to visit not so long ago
2661: [21:33:33] <adrexia> that would make sense
2662: [21:33:45] <adrexia> he used to look after a few down that way pre Jho
2663: [21:34:26] <antmas> he seemed nervous
2664: [21:34:43] <adrexia> really?
2665: [21:34:48] <adrexia> that's not like him
2666: [21:34:56] <Kingy> I'd be nervous if I had to visit Nelson
2667: [21:34:59] <Kingy> let's be honest here
2668: [21:35:02] <antmas> lol
2669: [21:35:10] <antmas> yeah he did a bit
2670: [21:35:18] <adrexia> he's probably the most genuine sales guy I've ever met
2671: [21:35:26] * antmas assumes it was because antmas is so handsome
2672: [21:35:30] <adrexia> lol
2673: [21:35:41] <Kingy> were you putting the moves on him?
2674: [21:35:45] <Kingy> coz that too would make me nervous
2675: [21:35:51] <antmas> anything to get the quote down!
2676: [21:35:55] <antmas> :D
2677: [21:36:02] <adrexia> were you wearing the blood of your enemies?
2678: [21:37:28] <antmas> I guess NCC is the enemy?
2679: [21:37:32] <antmas> :P
2680: [21:37:33] <antmas> idk
2681: [21:37:53] <irogue_> Kingy: will you be around on labour weekend? I'll be in welly and not doing anything on saturday if you wanna grab a drink (also goes for any other welly area folk in here)
2682: [21:38:13] <adrexia> lol
2683: [21:40:21] <antmas> any nelson devs wanna meet up?
2684: [21:40:26] * antmas listens for crickets
2685: [21:40:44] <irogue_> lol
2686: [21:41:00] <irogue_> antmas: you could hang out with hothouse!
2687: [21:41:46] <antmas> irogue_: I said 'devs'
2688: [21:41:49] <antmas> ;)
2689: [21:41:51] <irogue_> haha
2690: [21:43:25] * Azure quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2691: [21:44:01] <antmas> hothouse don't have a site anymore?
2692: [21:44:21] <zippy> antmas: I don't think there are any other nelson guys in here are there?
2693: [21:44:36] <antmas> zippy: nup
2694: [21:44:43] <antmas> not that I know of
2695: [21:44:56] <antmas> there are some lurkers in here though, so who knows :P
2696: [21:45:06] <irogue_> you had a developer conference recently though!
2697: [21:45:25] <antmas> irogue_: ?
2698: [21:45:36] <irogue_> unfortunately though it was a moodle conference...
2699: [21:45:58] <antmas> there was a moodle thing here?
2700: [21:46:03] <irogue_> yup, at NMIT
2701: [21:46:07] <antmas> LOL
2702: [21:46:31] <irogue_> http://www.moodlemoot.co.nz/course/view.php?id=107
2703: [21:47:04] <irogue_> I only really knew about it cos some aussie folk I met at phpnz14 came over for it
2704: [21:47:28] <antmas> there is a .net user group thing in Nelson, but there are only like 2 people who contribute
2705: [21:47:55] <antmas> the others are just all shy plebs
2706: [21:47:59] <irogue_> lol
2707: [21:48:01] <zippy> running composer on a server feels... weird
2708: [21:48:06] <harold> guys regarding my missing home page
2709: [21:48:25] <antmas> http://www.meetup.com/cities/nz/nelson/
2710: [21:48:26] <harold> is it correct that there is a url segment for the home page
2711: [21:48:33] <harold> the url segment works
2712: [21:48:37] <antmas> zippy: ^^^
2713: [21:48:41] <antmas> wordpress meetup hahaha
2714: [21:48:48] <harold> it's as if the url of the 'home' is not the home page
2715: [21:49:04] <zippy> antmas: now now, it's not funny to laugh at the handicaped
2716: [21:49:12] <antmas> zippy: XD
2717: [21:49:33] <zippy> harold: Whats the problem?
2718: [21:49:37] <irogue_> http://www.westpac.co.nz/rednews/community/jimmys-world/
2719: [21:49:49] <harold> in my cms I can see my home page in the preview
2720: [21:49:52] <harold> all looks good
2721: [21:49:57] <antmas> zippy: I was going to go to this http://www.meetup.com/bridgestreetcollective/events/212586362/ but have to teamview a client tonight
2722: [21:49:59] <zippy> harold: you have a page, which extends from HomePage - and the url segment is 'home' ?
2723: [21:50:06] <harold> home page is of type HomePage
2724: [21:50:12] <harold> there is a HomePage.ss
2725: [21:50:29] <zippy> harold: you done a dev/build and flush just to make sure things are good, and a save and publish?
2726: [21:50:32] * irogue_ reads logs to catch up on harold's problem
2727: [21:50:35] <irogue_> [08:59:56] <Ryan-Toast> I find 5.5” is perfect size for me.
2728: [21:50:37] * irogue_ giggles
2729: [21:50:40] <zippy> antmas: oh yea, I was thinking of going to one of those at some point
2730: [21:50:42] <zippy> irogue_: haha
2731: [21:50:59] <Ryan-Toast> REAL MATURE, GUYS
2732: [21:51:00] <zippy> I am quite happy with my 6, two weeks in, don't miss the 4 at all
2733: [21:51:15] <harold> let me try the build and flush againb
2734: [21:51:57] <irogue_> harold: just read your issue. so if you go to blah.com/home it works fine, but not if you go to blah.com/ ?
2735: [21:52:01] <antmas> zippy: I went to the first one and it was ok, never had time since
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2737: [21:56:03] <harold> zippy: ok rebuilt and flushed several time
2738: [21:56:08] <harold> Welcome to SilverStripe! This is the default homepage. You can edit this page by opening the CMS. You can now access the developer documentation, or begin the tutorials.
2739: [21:56:23] <harold> something is screwed up big time
2740: [21:56:27] <zippy> so going to / gives you the wrong page, but /home works?
2741: [21:56:39] <harold> but this was working fine yesterday
2742: [21:56:49] <zippy> pixies.... they're everywhere...
2743: [21:57:00] <harold> i came back today and the home page is some default garbish
2744: [21:57:16] <antmas> "but this was working fine yesterday" - me everyday
2745: [21:57:35] <harold> this works
2746: [21:57:51] <harold> ^^^ that is the url sugment
2747: [21:58:01] <harold> index.php/home-2?stage=Stage
2748: [21:58:07] <harold> ^^^^
2749: [21:58:42] <harold> i can't set the url segment to be home
2750: [21:58:46] <harold> it defaults to home-2
2751: [21:58:48] <harold> or home-3
2752: [21:58:52] <irogue_> harold: there's probably another page called home
2753: [21:59:00] <irogue_> you'll need to delete that before you can rename it back to home
2754: [21:59:03] <Stomach> or you have an action on a controller called home
2755: [21:59:45] <harold> checked for that
2756: [22:00:00] <harold> there is no other segment or page name 'Home'
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2758: [22:02:25] <zippy> harold: look in your database - check the SiteTree / SiteTree_live and look under the URLSegment column... find em
2759: [22:04:13] <harold> ok i resolved the issue by deleting all occurences of home
2760: [22:04:22] <harold> two appeared at one point
2761: [22:04:34] <harold> then i created a new page and it works
2762: [22:04:44] <harold> does the url segment of the home page have to 'page'?
2763: [22:06:40] <zippy> no, you sould make it home
2764: [22:06:52] <zippy> and you should make sure it's HomePage - you can tell as you will get a house looking icon in the CMS
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2767: [22:10:23] <travis-ci> Change view : https://github.com/silverstripe/silverstripe-cms/compare/f486c3250be1...286dfe4d86d2
2768: [22:10:23] <travis-ci> Build details : http://travis-ci.org/silverstripe/silverstripe-cms/builds/38093503
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2770: [22:10:30] <harold> thanks guys working now
2771: [22:10:52] <antmas> hooray! \o/
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2777: [22:28:44] <Colin[pi]> hai2all
2778: [22:28:46] <antmas> Colin[pi]: HAI
2779: [22:29:11] <Kingy> what time do you call this Colin[pi]
2780: [22:29:46] <Kingy> irogue_: Not sure about labour weekend. I think we might be going away, if not i'll think about treking down to welly
2781: [22:33:07] <Colin[pi]> Kingy: kid, school, traffic :P
2782: [22:34:04] <simon_w|work> Colin[pi], interesting name for a time :p
2783: [22:34:53] <zippy> Colin[pi]: I understand....
2784: [22:34:57] <zippy> you got two or one?
2785: [22:35:50] <Colin[pi]> zippy: just one, one is difficult enough!
2786: [22:36:40] <antmas> Colin[pi]: +10
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2788: [22:36:50] <Pyromanik> alright, it's doing my fucking head in
2789: [22:36:56] <antmas> lol
2790: [22:37:04] <antmas> Pyromanik: hi o/
2791: [22:37:07] <zippy> Colin[pi]: daughters 5 year old party this weekend! so + bunch more kids
2792: [22:37:07] <Pyromanik> how does composer know what to do with type: silverstripe-module?
2793: [22:37:11] <simon_w|work> Instead of your normal head?
2794: [22:37:19] <simon_w|work> Pyromanik, composer/installers
2795: [22:37:24] <simon_w|work> Or whatever it is
2796: [22:37:28] <Colin[pi]> zippy: aww cute age, mine just turned 8
2797: [22:37:33] <Pyromanik> simon_w|work, yeah I get that much, but where is it defined? Composer core?
2798: [22:37:56] <simon_w|work> https://github.com/composer/installers
2799: [22:38:14] <simon_w|work> Is a requirement of framework
2800: [22:38:21] <Pyromanik> ic
2801: [22:38:30] <Pyromanik> but not installer
2802: [22:38:41] <antmas> zippy: which school you choose?
2803: [22:38:47] <zippy> richmond
2804: [22:38:57] <Colin[pi]> does anyone know of a free db I can download which contains all of the world's states/provinces linked to countries?
2805: [22:39:10] <ss23> Woah this guy has the last name Bell
2806: [22:39:12] <Pyromanik> Colin[pi], why download?
2807: [22:39:16] <ss23> I wonder if he's related to antmas
2808: [22:39:18] <Colin[pi]> Pyromanik: want to do it locally
2809: [22:39:22] <Pyromanik> ic
2810: [22:39:24] <Colin[pi]> I could use an API I gues...
2811: [22:39:25] <antmas> ss23: :O
2812: [22:39:34] <Pyromanik> Colin[pi], use and cache?
2813: [22:39:44] <Colin[pi]> Pyromanik: mm might be a better option
2814: [22:39:46] <Pyromanik> check your store, if not, check api?
2815: [22:39:53] <Pyromanik> (and put in store)
2816: [22:39:53] <Colin[pi]> Pyromanik: good plan
2817: [22:39:56] <antmas> ss23: I don't know any bells in welli...
2818: [22:40:12] <Pyromanik> antmas, I'm sure a few churches have them
2819: [22:40:17] <Pyromanik> at least
2820: [22:40:23] * antmas looks at Pyromanik
2821: [22:40:25] <antmas> :|
2822: [22:40:25] * irogue_ chuckles
2823: [22:40:28] <Pyromanik> xD
2824: [22:41:04] <antmas> zippy: is that like a 'good' one?
2825: [22:41:05] <simon_w|work> antmas, you could say the name doesn't ring a bell
2826: [22:41:12] <antmas> OH GOD
2827: [22:41:17] <antmas> simon_w|work: 10/10
2828: [22:41:29] <irogue_> grr, damn autocomplete. keep accidentally going to wrong deploynaut
2829: [22:41:50] <Colin[pi]> simon_w|work: zing!
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2831: [22:42:34] <Pyromanik> silverstripe installer doesn't specify a type, how does composer know it's not to be dumped in vendor and forgotten?
2832: [22:42:37] * simon_w|work is done for the day now
2833: [22:42:47] <Pyromanik> fuck composer and it's black mirror magic.
2834: [22:42:54] <simon_w|work> Pyromanik, you never have it as a requirement
2835: [22:43:15] <Pyromanik> simon_w, so by default it's installed explicitly, therefore IS the project?
2836: [22:43:31] <simon_w|work> Yup
2837: [22:43:40] <irogue_> if you require silverstripe-installer, it'll be dumped into vendor
2838: [22:43:40] <Pyromanik> if I were to require it, it would end up in vendor
2839: [22:43:41] <Pyromanik> hmm
2840: [22:43:43] <zippy> Colin[pi]: http://peric.github.io/GetCountries/ gets you semi there
2841: [22:43:43] <Pyromanik> hehe
2842: [22:43:45] <irogue_> you should never require silverstripe-installer
2843: [22:44:36] <Colin[pi]> zippy: thanks countries are fine, i just need to tap into states/provinces
2844: [22:44:56] <irogue_> that can be so difficult
2845: [22:45:03] <irogue_> I never know what to put in the state/province box
2846: [22:45:40] <irogue_> closest we have in NZ is regions, but for 1/3rd of the country our region and city are the same thing
2847: [22:45:48] <Colin[pi]> irogue_: and it's kinda annoying because the state comes before country typically, and the user will need to choose the country to populate the state dropdown
2848: [22:46:04] <simon_w|work> irogue_, I'd go for closer to 2/3
2849: [22:46:19] <irogue_> simon_w|work: I mean literally the same thing, not just same name
2850: [22:46:37] <simon_w|work> Ah right, so just Auckland then
2851: [22:46:40] <irogue_> yeah
2852: [22:46:56] <simon_w|work> Could go for districts, then it's different :p
2853: [22:47:07] <irogue_> not everyone is in a district though
2854: [22:47:22] <Colin[pi]> basically it's part of a simple crm I'm building, I have free text suburb/city but I want state/country from dropdowns
2855: [22:47:24] <Pyromanik> right, so regardless of repo name, composer.json name definition is what is used for folder name when silverstripe-module ?
2856: [22:47:28] <Pyromanik> I've got that right?
2857: [22:47:35] <simon_w|work> Pyromanik, yup
2858: [22:47:44] <Pyromanik> sweet, I'm going to bed. Thanks!
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2860: [22:48:00] <Colin[pi]> annnnd he's gone just like that lol
2861: [22:48:10] <zippy> irogue_: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Districts_of_New_Zealand - you thinking about the Chatam islands missing?
2862: [22:48:10] <simon_w|work> It's cause we smell bad
2863: [22:48:24] <Colin[pi]> simon_w|work: what's this "we" white man?
2864: [22:49:00] <irogue_> zippy: cities aren't in districts
2865: [22:49:21] <antmas> districts are in cities?
2866: [22:49:39] <Colin[pi]> o_O
2867: [22:49:56] <simon_w|work> Turns out I meant provinces, but whatever :p
2868: [22:49:57] <irogue_> districts are a grouping of towns
2869: [22:50:11] <irogue_> covered by a District Council
2870: [22:50:13] <simon_w|work> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2b/Provinces_of_new_zealand_timeline1.gif
2871: [22:50:17] <antmas> hmmm
2872: [22:50:18] <simon_w|work> Should just go with the 1841 options
2873: [22:50:27] <irogue_> whereas cities have a City Council
2874: [22:50:33] <irogue_> and aren't part of any district
2875: [22:51:25] <antmas> what defines a city?
2876: [22:51:29] <antmas> is it population?
2877: [22:51:37] <Colin[pi]> it has a cathedral
2878: [22:51:44] <Colin[pi]> is what I've heard\
2879: [22:51:45] <antmas> dumb
2880: [22:51:54] <Colin[pi]> that might be bs though
2881: [22:51:59] <simon_w|work> antmas, either a cathedral or population
2882: [22:52:04] <irogue_> 50,000 is the NZ definition
2883: [22:52:24] <irogue_> and "primarily urban"
2884: [22:52:36] <Colin[pi]> so, like... have a tiny dirt kicking town of 5 people? build a cathedral and WATCH THE METROPOLIS SPRING TO LIFE
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2886: [22:53:21] <simon_w|work> Though wouldn't surprise me if an Act needed to be passed too
2887: [22:54:17] <Colin[pi]> btw irogue antmas, dunno if I thanked you at the time (since I was so sick) for explaining the treaty of waitangi stuff to me when I was there
2888: [22:54:30] <Colin[pi]> was interesting and we aren't really taught about it in AU
2889: [22:54:43] <irogue_> Colin[pi]: protip - for NZ just don't ask for anything but city/town
2890: [22:54:59] <irogue_> that's all we use for postal addressing anyway
2891: [22:55:01] <antmas> Colin[pi]: np, well tbf it was the historian dude that explained most of it
2892: [22:55:10] <Colin[pi]> irogue_: so, you dont use states/provinces for mail?
2893: [22:55:15] <simon_w|work> Looks like the main definition of a city is when an Act gets passed giving the local council City-level powers
2894: [22:55:19] <Colin[pi]> antmas: and he was from here LOL
2895: [22:55:23] <irogue_> Colin[pi]: nope
2896: [22:55:25] <antmas> Colin[pi]: ikr!
2897: [22:55:26] <antmas> lol
2898: [22:55:30] <Colin[pi]> irogue_: really? huh
2899: [22:55:52] <simon_w|work> Colin[pi], what's the point? We don't have duplicate city names
2900: [22:55:53] <antmas> Yeah like, if I write my address it ends with Nelson
2901: [22:55:57] <irogue_> 1/18 Shortland Street, Auckland Central, Auckland 1010
2902: [22:56:00] <irogue_> that's the address for here
2903: [22:56:02] <antmas> rather than like, Nelson - Tasman or whatever
2904: [22:56:04] <irogue_> "Auckland Central" being the suburb
2905: [22:56:25] <Kingy> Doesn't the postal service just use the postcode for errrthing anyway
2906: [22:56:25] <Colin[pi]> irogue_: yeah but we come back to that old chestnut "suburb vs city"
2907: [22:56:29] <Kingy> aside from if you don't put it down
2908: [22:56:43] <irogue_> Colin[pi]: that's not really an issue in NZ I don't think
2909: [22:56:47] <Colin[pi]> mm
2910: [22:56:47] <antmas> Kingy: yeah but only for sorting
2911: [22:57:05] <Kingy> mm
2912: [22:57:15] <Kingy> I mean we have suburbs in Masterton
2913: [22:57:20] <Kingy> don't really know why
2914: [22:57:24] <Colin[pi]> irogue_: but, say for example, if you were filling out a form, and you chose NZ... and it showed a dropdown of these for state/province: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regions_of_New_Zealand#List_of_regions
2915: [22:57:29] <Colin[pi]> would that be weird?
2916: [22:57:45] <zippy> North Island, South Island - done!
2917: [22:57:52] <irogue_> Colin[pi]: it'd be fine if it was a dropdown, I think
2918: [22:57:55] <irogue_> but when it's a freeform field
2919: [22:57:58] <antmas> Nelson has a few
2920: [22:57:58] <Colin[pi]> mm ok that's my plan
2921: [22:58:08] <Kingy> as long as you put all regions
2922: [22:58:10] <irogue_> feels weird to put suburb: Auckland Central, city: Auckland, region: Auckland
2923: [22:58:10] <simon_w|work> Oh man, the required Region for domain names
2924: [22:58:11] <Kingy> Masterton isn't Wellington ffs
2925: [22:58:29] <simon_w|work> Kingy, what regional council is part of?
2926: [22:59:22] <Kingy> Well that's the thing
2927: [22:59:25] <Kingy> is it Greater Wellington
2928: [22:59:27] <Kingy> or Wairarapa
2929: [22:59:35] <simon_w|work> Wairarapa is the district
2930: [22:59:43] <irogue_> Kingy: Wairarapa doesn't actually exist as a region
2931: [22:59:47] <simon_w|work> Wellington is the region
2932: [23:00:34] <Kingy> tell that to the maori people
2933: [23:00:54] <irogue_> Kingy: maori regions are a whole different kettle of fish :P
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2935: [23:01:04] <Kingy> haha yes
2936: [23:01:27] <Kingy> but either way, seems weird to Greater Wellington when we get bugger all benefits from it
2937: [23:01:33] <Kingy> apart from a sub-par train service
2938: [23:01:49] <irogue_> Kingy: welcome to NZ regions - they don't really mean shit
2939: [23:02:17] <irogue_> regional councils are basically responsible for two things - environment issues (rivers, lakes etc in the region) and public transport
2940: [23:02:32] <simon_w|work> And water
2941: [23:02:39] <simon_w|work> But not sewage
2942: [23:02:52] <antmas> roads
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2944: [23:03:11] <irogue_> antmas: usually district/city are responsible for roads, except for state highways
2945: [23:03:18] <irogue_> which are NZTA turf
2946: [23:03:32] <antmas> irogue_: slightly different in our case, but yeah
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2948: [23:03:55] <irogue_> yeah, there's always exceptions where the city/district councils and regional council make agreements with each other
2949: [23:04:06] <irogue_> but by legal definition, regional councils aren't responsible for roading
2950: [23:04:37] <antmas> I wonder what Nelson's idea of it is
2951: [23:04:45] <antmas> as whoever deals with that has no fucking clue how to road
2952: [23:04:52] <simon_w|work> Regional councils are also responsible for giving Fran Wilde a power trip
2953: [23:05:08] <irogue_> you really start to understand why shit can get messy with so many layers of council, who often don't work nicely with each other
2954: [23:05:19] <simon_w|work> (She's basically the only council person that wants Wellington to become a super city)
2955: [23:05:40] <Colin[pi]> super city?
2956: [23:05:54] <irogue_> Colin[pi]: like Auckland
2957: [23:05:55] <antmas> Colin[pi]: combined like Auckland
2958: [23:05:58] <Colin[pi]> ah k k
2959: [23:06:12] <irogue_> Auckland used to be 4 city councils, 3 district councils and a regional council
2960: [23:06:30] <irogue_> now just "Auckland Council" which has all the power and responsibility of city/district and regional council combined
2961: [23:06:48] <irogue_> honestly, is so much less confusing bullshit
2962: [23:06:57] <antmas> yeah it's a good idea
2963: [23:06:59] <antmas> I think
2964: [23:07:00] <simon_w|work> And then National went and lost the local body election, so started moving power back to a national level
2965: [23:07:09] <irogue_> haha, yeah
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2967: [23:07:40] <irogue_> created Auckland Council with the expectation that John Banks would run it, then he lost and they were like "fuck, we gave a shitload of power to a council that's now dominated by the left"
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2973: [23:09:47] <irogue_> now they possibly need to do a super-DHB though
2974: [23:10:02] <irogue_> cos there's still weirdness with having 3 DHBs and them not always playing nicely with each other
2975: [23:10:09] <simon_w|work> Ugh, DHBs
2976: [23:11:38] <simon_w|work> Why they don't follow regional council divisions is beyond me
2977: [23:11:48] <irogue_> ikr
2978: [23:12:09] <irogue_> thank fuck our police all have nationwide jurisdiction too
2979: [23:12:21] <irogue_> cos Auckland has 3 police districts
2980: [23:12:23] <simon_w|work> Oh crap, so do the ACT police
2981: [23:12:29] * simon_w|work is screwed
2982: [23:13:09] <irogue_> if they had jurisdictional issues when driving between Counties-Manukau Police's turf and Auckland Police's turf, it's be quite the american-style bullshit
2983: [23:13:49] <simon_w|work> irogue_, from what I understand, state police can enter other states without issue, they just have to announce it as they cross
2984: [23:14:08] <irogue_> simon_w|work: depends on both of the states' laws
2985: [23:14:09] <simon_w|work> Whereas ACT is policed by the AFP
2986: [23:14:12] <irogue_> (in US)
2987: [23:14:41] <simon_w|work> irogue_, thankfully, the policing model is one thing that AU hasn't entirely copied from the US
2988: [23:14:51] <antmas> anyone had any trouble working with embargos for advanced workflow?
2989: [23:14:53] <irogue_> in AU, as I understand it any police force can go anywhere and 'detain' someone until the correct state's police can turn up to do the actual arrest
2990: [23:14:56] <Colin[pi]> simon_w|work: give abbot time
2991: [23:15:10] <simon_w|work> Colin[pi], I know :(
2992: [23:15:11] <irogue_> similar to how the EU works
2993: [23:15:36] <simon_w|work> irogue_, and then there's an extradition request
2994: [23:15:41] <simon_w|work> Which is just hilarious
2995: [23:15:47] <irogue_> ya lol
2996: [23:16:26] <irogue_> police chase between NL and DE, the NL cops can drive into DE, pull the guy over there and hold him til DE cops arrive. then the NL cops either decide to just let him be charged by the DE cops (as long as he did something illegal on DE's side of the border too), or do extradition
2997: [23:17:48] <simon_w|work> irogue_, for some reason, people here like fleeing to QLD. Then they get extradited back to (usually) VIC
2998: [23:17:55] <irogue_> lol
2999: [23:18:11] <irogue_> https://koordinates.com/layer/3824-nz-police-district-boundaries/
3000: [23:19:08] <irogue_> technically each NZ Police district is an autonomous police force (with shared admin/training resource at HQ), but all with nationwide jurisdiction
3001: [23:19:26] <simon_w|work> So, pretty much region boundaries, except for Auckland
3002: [23:19:30] <irogue_> yup
3003: [23:20:15] <irogue_> they're almost identical (if not identical) to the DHB boundaries in Auckland too
3004: [23:20:21] <irogue_> wonder if same historical basis
3005: [23:20:39] <simon_w|work> And then fire just tends to make sense
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3007: [23:20:56] <travis-ci> silverstripe/silverstripe-framework#3480 (3.1 - 95963b1 : Sean Harvey): The build passed.
3008: [23:20:56] <travis-ci> Change view : https://github.com/silverstripe/silverstripe-framework/compare/b7045344a82c...95963b19b812
3009: [23:20:56] <travis-ci> Build details : http://travis-ci.org/silverstripe/silverstripe-framework/builds/38100678
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3011: [23:20:59] <simon_w|work> And I guess ambo is Wellington/Everyone else
3012: [23:21:32] <irogue_> ambo are funded through DHBs, so would kinda follow DHB boundaries
3013: [23:22:08] <irogue_> e.g. if they pick a patient up in Counties-Manukau DHB's area, that's who gives them the part-payment
3014: [23:22:32] <irogue_> so there's probably some expectation they deliver the patient to one of that DHB's hospitals unless there's good reason not to
3015: [23:22:51] <simon_w|work> Ugh
3016: [23:22:58] <simon_w|work> Stupid DHBs
3017: [23:22:58] <irogue_> e.g. if it's a baby and they'd be best off going to Starship (Auckland DHB)
3018: [23:28:10] <antmas> what to lunch
3019: [23:28:12] <antmas> hmmmm
3020: [23:28:19] <irogue_> subway
3021: [23:28:22] <irogue_> is pork riblet day
3022: [23:28:24] <antmas> I feel like something pasta related
3023: [23:28:28] <antmas> irogue_: ew no
3024: [23:28:31] <Colin[pi]> antmas: butter chicken
3025: [23:28:33] <antmas> that pork is ick!
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3027: [23:28:36] <antmas> Colin[pi]: :|
3028: [23:28:39] <irogue_> I like it
3029: [23:28:48] <irogue_> it's barely pork, but if you just think of it as generic meat, it's delicious
3030: [23:28:59] <antmas> the sauce is nice
3031: [23:29:00] <Colin[pi]> "meat" riblet
3032: [23:29:05] <irogue_> Colin[pi]: exactly!
3033: [23:29:17] <antmas> it's meat that is shaped to look like a riblet
3034: [23:29:17] <Kingy> ranch and bbq sauce on it
3035: [23:29:18] <antmas> so weird
3036: [23:29:20] <Kingy> NOM NOM NOM
3037: [23:29:22] <ss23> "mmmm, nondescript meat texture..."
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3039: [23:29:59] <antmas> I actually had some Facon the other day
3040: [23:30:01] <antmas> was not bad
3041: [23:31:43] * Colin[pi] slaps antmas with a giant steak
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3043: [23:32:32] <ss23> I thought you said Falcon
3044: [23:32:37] <ss23> I was like "that's a bit weird"
3045: [23:32:41] <antmas> mmmm falcon
3046: [23:32:46] <antmas> *Fast* food
3047: [23:32:51] <Colin[pi]> haha
3048: [23:33:05] <ss23> XD
3049: [23:33:33] <antmas> now I feel like jack links
3050: [23:34:11] <antmas> lol at http://www.jacklinks.co.nz/
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3052: [23:35:37] <travis-ci> silverstripe/silverstripe-framework#3481 (3.1 - dc919dc : Sean Harvey): The build passed.
3053: [23:35:37] <travis-ci> Change view : https://github.com/silverstripe/silverstripe-framework/compare/95963b19b812...dc919dc3d916
3054: [23:35:37] <travis-ci> Build details : http://travis-ci.org/silverstripe/silverstripe-framework/builds/38100821
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3056: [23:35:43] <antmas> dat source view
3057: [23:35:44] <antmas> :D
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3061: [23:58:33] <simon_w|work> mmm, sauce

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