#silverstripe IRC Log

IRC log for 20 September 2014

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11: [01:32:14] <willr> ss23. Too right. https://github.com/silverstripe/doc.silverstripe.org/commit/dfd8045587b924104ad624bb75fe815d0f615f2b
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13: [01:41:08] <crapwagon> typical ss23
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20: [03:03:59] <ss23> willr: ;___;
21: [03:04:11] <ss23> As soon as I started commiting to master, I knew I would have a bad time
22: [03:04:16] * willr waves at ss23
23: [03:04:18] <ss23> I just didn't expect a 3 comit bad time
24: [03:05:13] <willr> I figured trying to get you to set me up a ssdoc staging site was going to be a mission so I’m using Heroku for now. But if ya’ll want to run it on the more official domain icanhz deploynaut?
25: [03:05:14] <willr> http://ssdrw.herokuapp.com/en/
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28: [03:14:23] <ss23> :O
29: [03:14:23] <ss23> Hmm
30: [03:15:18] <ss23> willr: Deploynaut being whitelisted is the only thing. So if you're doing it from DNA, where you're already whitelisted, I can just give you access to deploy, but if you're doing it from home, easier to just use a non-official stagign I think
31: [03:15:49] <ss23> But I mean, you probably need to test before commiting to ssdoc repo anyway'
32: [03:26:00] <willr> Well basically just want a staging / demo version of it. Can happily vpn through DNA if it needs to be somewhat restricted
33: [03:26:23] <willr> won’t got live for a couple months, Cam just wants something that people can see short term
34: [03:26:43] <willr> will rock the heroku for now then. Not like it costs anything to change
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36: [03:33:09] <ss23> willr: Ah cool, if you can VPN, that should be fine, I'll take a poke at it now
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42: [04:03:49] <ss23> New plan: do that another day
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44: [04:09:06] <willr> ss23 - also FYI the icon font you include for that toolbar that is used for 2 icons takes up 200kb. Performance? psh
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46: [04:14:51] <ss23> willr: Isn't it cached though, and from the silverstripe.org domain?
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48: [04:14:55] <ss23> so it ends up making it faster!
49: [04:14:56] <ss23> I have no idea
50: [04:15:05] <ss23> willr: I didn't make any of it really, I just did bug fixes + releases :O
51: [04:15:52] <willr> Doesn’t look like it caches it at all. At least for docs. Was wondering why it was so slows
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58: [06:40:13] <irogue_> evening gents
59: [06:47:02] <ss23> hi2u
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62: [06:55:18] <simon_w> Well, mostly moved
63: [06:55:25] <simon_w> New place doesn't have internet yet though...
64: [06:56:43] <ss23> Ah, that sucks! :O
65: [06:57:13] <irogue_> simon_w: question is, once it does, will it be better than what you had?
66: [06:57:32] <simon_w> irogue_, yup. Will be ADSL2 instead of ADSL :p
67: [06:57:42] <ss23> ADSL2+ ANNEX M
68: [06:57:44] <ss23> FOR SPEEEED
69: [06:58:07] <simon_w> With our distance to the exchange?
70: [06:58:10] <simon_w> AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
71: [06:58:10] <ss23> I was lucky in Sydney. The building I lived in was on the same complex as the exchange and train station
72: [06:58:33] <ss23> So 30 seconds walk to a train, all under cover, foodcourt same distance, and amazing internet (for Australia)
73: [06:58:35] <irogue_> I wish the exchange looking building across the road from me was an exchange
74: [06:58:50] <irogue_> natural gas substation isn't any help to me
75: [06:59:04] <simon_w> I wish TransACT had put VDSL nodes northside
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77: [06:59:26] <ss23> irogue_: Are you watching discourse?
78: [06:59:45] <irogue_> ss23: yup :P
79: [06:59:54] <ss23> The stream is making noises!
80: [06:59:56] <ss23> Must be doing sound stuff
81: [07:00:11] <simon_w> Oh look, you can talk about election stuff now!
82: [07:00:14] <irogue_> I love that Discourse Votes exists
83: [07:00:44] <ss23> Hum, they're late, irogue_
84: [07:00:45] <irogue_> "us twitter people think all the tv election coverage is utter shite, so we're gonna have our own election show"
85: [07:00:57] <ss23> It's 7pm and no stream yet
86: [07:01:13] <irogue_> ss23: dylan's tweets suggest chaos
87: [07:01:28] <simon_w> irogue_, was hilarious last time
88: [07:01:35] <simon_w> Bunch of lefties realising they lost
89: [07:02:22] <irogue_> bahaha
90: [07:02:23] <ss23> haha
91: [07:02:25] <ss23> it sounds like chaos
92: [07:02:25] <irogue_> TAKE IT OUT
93: [07:02:36] <simon_w> Though I gave up on it because the bias was just too painful to watch
94: [07:02:42] <irogue_> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bx9NWONCEAAHAXr.jpg:large
95: [07:02:55] <ss23> simon_w: It's a show for people who *want* the bias :P
96: [07:03:03] <irogue_> lol, yeah
97: [07:03:11] <simon_w> Yeah, Twitter :p
98: [07:04:13] <irogue_> Vend have a pool table. SS Auckland needs a pool table.
99: [07:04:29] <simon_w> TradeMe has a slide
100: [07:04:33] <simon_w> Xero is jealous
101: [07:04:42] <ss23> SS has fooseball
102: [07:05:09] <irogue_> ss23: Auckland have arcade machines
103: [07:05:28] <irogue_> which we can play again now that Jerry's left
104: [07:05:36] <irogue_> (it was no fun losing to him every single time)
105: [07:05:42] <ss23> Ah yeah :(
106: [07:05:44] <ss23> Lucky
107: [07:06:10] <ss23> Soooooo...
108: [07:06:12] <ss23> discoursevotes...
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110: [07:07:13] <irogue_> I think they broke it
111: [07:07:44] <irogue_> oh god, people on twitter who can't read are hilarious
112: [07:07:56] <irogue_> @ONENewsNZ: Advance votes - 0.5% counted - has National 54%, Labour 20%, Greens 10%, NZF 8.2, Conservative 4.5... #vote2014nz
113: [07:08:09] <irogue_> @BrittanaIsHeya: @ONENewsNZ damn :( new they would win again
114: [07:08:21] <ss23> Well at 54% it's looking *horrible*
115: [07:09:04] <simon_w> Yay, http://www.electionresults.govt.nz is up again
116: [07:09:50] <irogue_> OM NOM NOM NOM
117: [07:12:28] <simon_w> Come on dad, you can do better than NZF
118: [07:14:45] <ss23> dad?
119: [07:15:04] <simon_w> Yes
120: [07:15:24] <simon_w> He's rather unlikely to win the seat, but can at least do better than NZF
121: [07:16:12] <ss23> Who is dad
122: [07:18:45] <irogue_> I tried watching 'actual' election coverage. Discourse is still less painful.
123: [07:18:54] <simon_w> http://arch.welsh.co.nz/bruce-welsh/
124: [07:18:56] <irogue_> TV3 were busy talking about selfies
125: [07:19:03] <simon_w> irogue_, I just refresh spam the election site
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128: [07:19:38] <simon_w> Ooh, I can watch the ABC's coverage
129: [07:22:30] <simon_w> Oh, it's the TVNZ coverage
130: [07:27:47] <simon_w> Nooo, MANA currently has a list seat
131: [07:28:05] <irogue_> "if you're a lefty, and you live in Epsom, you're a fucking idiot if you don't vote for Goldsmith"
132: [07:35:01] <ss23> THEY DID IT
133: [07:35:03] <ss23> THEY DID IT@!!!
134: [07:35:03] <irogue_> ss23: I guess that's a yes
135: [07:36:41] <irogue_> bahahaha
136: [07:37:02] <ss23> http://i.imgur.com/AEztZPK.jpg
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139: [07:43:45] <simon_w> "You're watching ABC News 24 while our broadcast part TVNZ take a short break from their election coverage"
140: [07:43:53] <simon_w> It's called an ad break. Silly australians.
141: [07:53:20] <irogue_> haha, just heard on my scanner a train driver saying there's dogs on the track and he's trying to scare them off
142: [07:54:27] <irogue_> then immediately after heard a big long train horn
143: [07:56:26] <ss23> lol
144: [07:56:37] <simon_w> Woo, train!
145: [07:56:52] <simon_w> Train drivers for majority party in parliament!
146: [07:59:34] <irogue_> wow, the Internet MANA party at The Cloud looks empty
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148: [08:10:04] <ss23> irogue_: HAHAHAAHAA
149: [08:10:05] <irogue_> HAHAHAHAHA
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151: [08:30:58] <Shrike_Finland> Hi, I'd like to enable <i class="xxx"> </i> on Tiny, how should write it? 'extended_valid_elements' => "+button[class=btn btn-default],+html[i]" does not seem to work.
152: [08:34:03] <irogue_> "the sort of people who are against vaccinations are the kind of people who homeschool anyway, aren't they?"
153: [08:34:04] <irogue_> bahaha
154: [08:34:44] <irogue_> Shrike_Finland: TinyMCE terrifies me, so I have no idea :P
155: [08:34:49] <Shrike_Finland> :D
156: [08:37:36] <ss23> irogue_: .... is that
157: [08:37:38] <ss23> sarcasm?
158: [08:37:42] <ss23> lol
159: [08:38:14] <irogue_> every time I've tried switching to 'real' TV, they've switched to an ad break
160: [08:39:09] <irogue_> "uuuuuhhhhhhhhhhhhh"
161: [08:40:16] <Shrike_Finland> Ah, now I got it… I have to inclide it like "+li[i]" if I use it inside li tag.
162: [08:40:23] <Shrike_Finland> include even.
163: [08:46:59] <irogue_> hey look, its the girl the mayor banged
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165: [09:21:27] <irogue_> "i'm proper famous... in a very interesting way"
166: [09:21:28] <irogue_> bahaha
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169: [09:40:12] <ss23> irogue_: I wanna see teh unicode! :(
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171: [09:45:22] <Nafetsch> hi there
172: [09:45:44] <Nafetsch> i have a short question
173: [09:48:15] <Nafetsch> someone here who can answer me something about datamodel?
174: [09:50:45] <irogue_> Nafetsch: ask your question, if someone can help they will :)
175: [09:54:13] <Nafetsch> thx. I have 2 PAGE Classes. Animal and Flee. I want to fill an array in the CMS that Every ANIMAL has --ONE-- Flee
176: [09:54:23] <Nafetsch> Do I need a datamodel for that ?
177: [09:55:00] <Nafetsch> In the CMS I want a dropdown where I can choose ONE Flee for every Animal
178: [09:55:30] <Nafetsch> Do I need a datamodel-FILE for that ?
179: [09:57:14] <irogue_> Nafetsch: you can just specify the $has_one on the Animal page file
180: [09:57:32] <Nafetsch> yeah i thought that to
181: [09:58:42] <Nafetsch> // animal class
182: [09:58:42] <Nafetsch> static $has_one = array(
183: [09:58:42] <Nafetsch> ‚Flee‘ => ‚Flee‘
184: [09:58:44] <Nafetsch> );
185: [09:59:01] <Nafetsch> $field = new DropdownField('FleeID', 'Flee', Flee::get()->map('ID', 'Title'));
186: [09:59:09] <Nafetsch> but i see no dropdown
187: [09:59:34] <irogue_> Nafetsch: your copy+paste has fancy quotes around 'Flee' in your has_one - make sure that isn't the case in your code
188: [09:59:56] <Nafetsch> yes. thx
189: [10:00:06] <Nafetsch> thas only due copy and past
190: [10:00:10] <Nafetsch> :)
191: [10:01:35] <Nafetsch> $drop = new DropdownField(‚FleeID‘, ‚Flee‘, Flee::get()->map('ID', 'Title'));
192: [10:01:35] <Nafetsch> $drop->setEmptyString('(Bitte wählen)');
193: [10:01:35] <Nafetsch> $fields->addFieldToTab('Root.Content', $drop, 'Content');
194: [10:02:08] <Nafetsch> I have no erros at all and cms is there but i see no dropdown
195: [10:03:06] <irogue_> Nafetsch: you shouldn't really even need to add the dropdown, usually it'll be there automatically. have you done a /dev/build ?
196: [10:03:21] <Nafetsch> yes of course
197: [10:03:37] <irogue_> Nafetsch: maybe pastebin/pastie your code
198: [10:03:39] <Nafetsch> there was stuff added after the has one
199: [10:03:48] <Nafetsch> ?
200: [10:04:08] <irogue_> http://pastie.org/
201: [10:05:53] <Nafetsch> thank you
202: [10:05:53] <Nafetsch> http://pastie.org/9578579
203: [10:06:00] <Nafetsch> in 33 and 51 you find it
204: [10:06:08] <Nafetsch> line
205: [10:08:39] <Nafetsch> mhmh... in my database i dont see Tplrevier
206: [10:08:48] <Nafetsch> as a table
207: [10:09:44] <Nafetsch> but I have them as tempales in my CMS. perhaps the dont have tables because the template is empty. but as a page the should have a ID and a Title
208: [10:10:57] <irogue_> Nafetsch: if the page isn't different at all from the standard Page type, it won't get its own table
209: [10:11:29] <Nafetsch> ah. ok. is thats why the dropdown is not there?
210: [10:11:34] <Nafetsch> :)
211: [10:11:35] <irogue_> Nafetsch: could you paste the Tplrevier code too?
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213: [10:14:19] <Nafetsch> http://pastie.org/9578593
214: [10:14:42] <Nafetsch> i just added some testid stuff that there will be a table in db
215: [10:14:46] <Nafetsch> but it changes nothing
216: [10:15:54] <spronk2> and the left collapses
217: [10:16:01] <Nafetsch> ?
218: [10:17:11] <irogue_> spronk2: yeah, i'm genuinely surprised by this result
219: [10:17:29] <spronk2> i'm not
220: [10:17:30] <spronk2> not at all
221: [10:17:57] <irogue_> I didn't expect an unsupported majority
222: [10:18:02] <irogue_> I expected National to win, but not that much
223: [10:18:04] <spronk2> well
224: [10:18:08] <spronk2> i don't think they'll get unsupported maj
225: [10:18:35] <irogue_> spronk2: expecting the numbers to change a lot? cos right now theyve got one easy
226: [10:18:41] <spronk2> hmm
227: [10:18:47] <spronk2> im expecting national to drop by a percent or two
228: [10:19:11] <irogue_> spronk2: already at 94% counted tho
229: [10:19:39] <spronk2> yeha, but specials
230: [10:19:50] <irogue_> yeah, specials tend to favour the greens a bit
231: [10:20:18] <spronk2> i think the late polls for national that showed them dipping did it for htem
232: [10:20:19] <spronk2> them
233: [10:21:14] <spronk2> also
234: [10:21:15] <irogue_> they molested the media too
235: [10:21:17] <spronk2> LOLDOTCOM
236: [10:21:19] <irogue_> the Herald etc were terrifying
237: [10:21:30] <Nafetsch> irogue_ are you shure that I dont need a Datamodel ?
238: [10:22:14] <irogue_> Nafetsch: Pages descend (quite far down) from DataObjects. so you can use them interchangably
239: [10:22:47] <Nafetsch> ok. I think there is an other problem because the dropdown is not there at all
240: [10:22:50] <irogue_> spronk2: not sure if you saw http://imgur.com/a/qIAQd
241: [10:23:06] <Nafetsch> it must be there even when is empty
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244: [10:25:39] <irogue_> Nafetsch: nothing is immediately obviously wrong to me, but I'm drunk so may not really be able to tell
245: [10:25:47] <Nafetsch> omg
246: [10:25:55] <Nafetsch> here it is Noon :D
247: [10:26:15] <Nafetsch> but thx anyway
248: [10:26:43] <irogue_> Nafetsch: 10:30pm on election night, and my party lost :P
249: [10:26:46] <irogue_> so lots of drinking
250: [10:28:02] <Nafetsch> I am sorry. so where are you? Australia ?
251: [10:28:37] <irogue_> Nafetsch: New Zealand
252: [10:29:01] <irogue_> where SilverStripe is ;)
253: [10:29:39] <Nafetsch> of course :) I am in Germany and I also worked at Scholz and Volkmer where some guys came over to Silverstripe i guess
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255: [10:32:17] <spronk2> yeah i did irogue_
256: [10:32:28] <spronk2> i call that intelligent work by the national party
257: [10:32:35] <irogue_> oh, I agree
258: [10:34:10] <irogue_> I wish election ads weren't allowed to lie though
259: [10:34:17] <spronk2> hmm
260: [10:34:19] <spronk2> ?
261: [10:34:49] <irogue_> saying that a party will "Stall the Economy" and "Destroy jobs" as if they're facts
262: [10:34:52] <spronk2> yeah
263: [10:34:53] <irogue_> bit naff imo
264: [10:35:15] <spronk2> but its lab's responsibility to be equally strong in rebuttal
265: [10:35:16] <irogue_> even the other ones like "Five new taxes" - when National had 10 new taxes
266: [10:35:16] <spronk2> which they haven't been
267: [10:35:39] <irogue_> yep
268: [10:35:52] <spronk2> im sad dunne is in the lead in ohariu
269: [10:36:00] <irogue_> I think the biggest fuckup by Labour was not working with the Greens
270: [10:36:08] <spronk2> yeaahhh
271: [10:36:12] <spronk2> i dno
272: [10:36:17] <irogue_> there were massive opportunities for strategic voting
273: [10:36:19] <spronk2> i think they were fucked from the beginnin
274: [10:36:19] <spronk2> g
275: [10:36:23] <spronk2> i.e.
276: [10:36:33] <irogue_> quite a few places where National won because Labour and Green split the vote
277: [10:36:38] <spronk2> from 10 years ago, when helen and co didn't really think about succession planning
278: [10:36:57] <irogue_> spronk2: happens every time tho
279: [10:37:04] <irogue_> look at Nats after Jim Bolger
280: [10:37:27] <spronk2> yeah
281: [10:37:30] <spronk2> but
282: [10:37:35] <spronk2> nats right now are strong in succession regard
283: [10:37:40] <irogue_> really?
284: [10:37:42] <spronk2> there are 3-4 candidates that could pick up leadership
285: [10:37:44] <irogue_> the plan was Collins
286: [10:37:45] <spronk2> definitely
287: [10:37:57] <spronk2> Joyce, Brownlee, English, Bennet
288: [10:38:30] <spronk2> none of them are as popular as key, but on the back of this result if the govt doesn't fuck up this term any of them would win
289: [10:39:09] <irogue_> spronk2: you watching Discourse?
290: [10:39:24] <spronk2> nah
291: [10:39:25] <spronk2> tv3
292: [10:41:38] <irogue_> I don't think Brownlee has a chance, cos (a) Christchurch, and (b) a lot of swing voters are shallow and would be turned off by his overweightness
293: [10:42:00] <spronk2> hm
294: [10:42:00] <spronk2> maybe
295: [10:42:19] <irogue_> English is the best option but it's pretty rare that an ex-leader who loses an election comes back to the leadership
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298: [10:42:45] <spronk2> bleh
299: [10:42:57] <irogue_> [22:42] <irogue_> English is the best option but it's pretty rare that an ex-leader who loses an election comes back to the leadership
300: [10:43:01] <spronk2> mm
301: [10:43:09] <spronk2> i think english has picked up cred since key took over
302: [10:43:20] <irogue_> absolutely agreed
303: [10:43:27] <spronk2> but lets put it this way
304: [10:43:35] <spronk2> nat are in better shape than lab in succession
305: [10:43:42] <spronk2> i mean, who the hell do labour turn to now
306: [10:43:54] <spronk2> doesn't even look like some of their headline MPs will get in - Arden for one
307: [10:44:18] <irogue_> Jacinda's still damn close, will be interesting
308: [10:44:20] <spronk2> mm
309: [10:45:38] <irogue_> as both the left and right folk on Discourse agreed, this loss wasn't really Cunliffe's fault. they could potentially be stronger next election by not switching leader
310: [10:46:24] <irogue_> switching leadership makes a party look weak - it's what held National back even when people weren't liking Helen anymore
311: [10:47:04] <spronk2> wow, tv3's reporters are AWFUL
312: [10:47:23] <spronk2> ^^ politics is easily > 50% a popularity contest
313: [10:47:31] <spronk2> people just haven't gelled with cunliffe
314: [10:50:31] <irogue_> Personally I think the biggest problem is that a lot of not-smart swing voters didn't "understand" all the sideshows going on. Were unable to see that what Snowden said mattered even if they didn't like Dotcom, thought that the Dirty Politics stuff ended at Collins and therefore was fixed once she was booted down, etc.
315: [10:51:38] <spronk2> yeah
316: [10:51:50] <spronk2> tbh though
317: [10:52:27] <irogue_> and because all of that stuff was going on, very little attention was paid to policies, of which Labour was far stronger
318: [10:52:33] <spronk2> my stance is really that, with labour in the hot seat, the snowden rstuff wouldn't really be all that much better
319: [10:54:32] <irogue_> idk, Labour's usually been pretty good at telling the USA to go fuck themselves, rather than bending over like Key ;)
320: [10:54:50] <irogue_> and they did vote against the GCSB Bill that made it possible
321: [10:55:01] <spronk2> yeahhh but only in opposition
322: [10:55:20] <spronk2> we need a unified left to sort this shit out
323: [10:55:27] <spronk2> the greens have too many policies that are too extreme
324: [10:55:31] <spronk2> and labour are too weak
325: [10:55:35] <irogue_> like?
326: [10:56:22] <spronk2> mainly things like min wage
327: [10:56:48] <ss23> I feel bad that we didn't get to see how unicode worked :(
328: [10:57:02] <spronk2> ?
329: [10:57:54] <ss23> On discourse
330: [10:58:00] <irogue_> spronk2: I wish there was a decent way to have scales of minimum wage
331: [10:58:25] * UncleCheese quit (Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…)
332: [10:58:32] <spronk2> mm
333: [10:58:33] <ss23> 22:55:28 < spronk2> the greens have too many policies that are too extreme
334: [10:58:33] <irogue_> cos there's a big difference between skill level / type of people employed in the job between e.g. McDs and Whitcoulls, both of whom are minimum wage
335: [10:58:36] <ss23> got a linky to some? :O
336: [10:58:52] <spronk2> https://www.greens.org.nz/policy/fairer-society/workers
337: [10:58:59] <spronk2> https://www.greens.org.nz/policy/fairer-society/reducing-child-poverty
338: [10:59:58] <irogue_> I don't have an issue with anything there except I do think the minimum wage needs to go up a bit slower
339: [11:00:16] <spronk2> i have big issues with incentivising poor people to have more children
340: [11:00:54] <spronk2> and while i think the min wage should be calculated based on living costs, its a symptom, and we're small fry when it comes to inequality
341: [11:01:06] <irogue_> spronk2: yeah, it's a difficult one to address though
342: [11:01:13] <Nafetsch> hey. i fixed it
343: [11:01:13] <spronk2> i don't think its possible for NZ alone to do it
344: [11:01:23] <spronk2> which pushes my economic thoughts rightwards, to, lets be selfish
345: [11:01:29] <spronk2> and get as much as we can, and trickle it down
346: [11:01:33] <irogue_> oh god
347: [11:01:35] <irogue_> trickle down
348: [11:01:38] * irogue_ laughs maniacally
349: [11:01:51] <spronk2> oh i know
350: [11:01:57] <spronk2> i think trickle down is bullshit
351: [11:02:05] <spronk2> but it does work.. a little bit
352: [11:02:14] <irogue_> it really doesn't, unless you legislate it to
353: [11:02:28] <spronk2> well
354: [11:02:29] <irogue_> i mean, you'll get the occasional socially conscious business owner
355: [11:02:52] <spronk2> its a really tricky one
356: [11:02:53] <irogue_> but most business owners won't go "oh, I have more money, I'll give it away to my staff!"
357: [11:03:05] <irogue_> they'll go "I'll buy another house in Hawaii!"
358: [11:03:15] <Nafetsch> $data = DataObject::get('Tpltoern', 'ClassName = \'Tpltoern\' AND TplrevierID = \''.$this->getID().'\' ', '', '', '');
359: [11:03:24] <Nafetsch> but $this->getID() dont work
360: [11:03:24] <spronk2> yeah, though in NZ we don't hve quite those issues because we're mainly small and medium sized businesses
361: [11:03:46] <Nafetsch> irogue_ can you please help me with that ?
362: [11:04:26] <irogue_> Nafetsch: just use $this->ID
363: [11:04:42] <Nafetsch> year
364: [11:04:45] <Nafetsch> tried that to
365: [11:04:46] <Nafetsch> [User Error] Uncaught Exception: Object->__call(): the method 'id' does not exist on 'Tplrevier'
366: [11:05:00] <Nafetsch> yeah
367: [11:05:09] <Nafetsch> 3.1
368: [11:05:47] <irogue_> o_O
369: [11:06:27] <Nafetsch> function gettoernsFunc(){
370: [11:06:27] <Nafetsch> $data = DataObject::get('Tpltoern', 'ClassName = \'Tpltoern\' AND TplrevierID = \''.$this->ID().'\' ', '', '', '');
371: [11:06:27] <Nafetsch> return $data;
372: [11:06:29] <Nafetsch> }
373: [11:06:44] <irogue_> Nafetsch: no brackets on ID
374: [11:06:45] <Nafetsch> in class Tplrevier extends Page {
375: [11:06:53] <Nafetsch> ok
376: [11:07:10] <Nafetsch> ahahaah thank you irogue_
377: [11:07:20] <Nafetsch> lalala.. should do more objective php
378: [11:07:47] <irogue_> [23:00] <spronk2> i have big issues with incentivising poor people to have more children
379: [11:07:53] <irogue_> I have some fairly extreme views on this one
380: [11:08:20] <spronk2> hmm/
381: [11:08:20] <spronk2> ?
382: [11:08:32] <irogue_> I think that MSD should be asking some fairly serious questions if you have a kid while not able to support it
383: [11:08:39] <spronk2> yeah
384: [11:08:56] <irogue_> but at the same time, it's not the kid's fault
385: [11:09:37] <spronk2> you know what i'd do?
386: [11:09:42] <spronk2> free contraceptives
387: [11:09:53] <spronk2> for anyone who wants them
388: [11:10:44] <irogue_> they basically already are
389: [11:10:50] <spronk2> well
390: [11:10:53] <spronk2> condoms are
391: [11:11:06] <spronk2> but you do have to go through routines to get the
392: [11:11:07] <spronk2> m
393: [11:11:08] <spronk2> for free
394: [11:11:29] <irogue_> the pill is subsidised to virtually free levels too
395: [11:11:37] <spronk2> well
396: [11:11:42] <spronk2> you do have to go to your gp regularly with it
397: [11:11:44] <spronk2> which costs money
398: [11:11:58] <spronk2> and the pill isn't a particularly good contraceptive for busy people
399: [11:12:03] <ss23> I like australia with it's 100% free GP visits :D
400: [11:12:13] <irogue_> if you're low-income though it's subsidised by CSC or just by it being cheap in poor areas
401: [11:12:25] <irogue_> e.g. my GP is $17 *without* CSC
402: [11:12:45] <ss23> Mine is $60 without CSC
403: [11:13:15] <spronk2> see
404: [11:13:24] <spronk2> we could learn a bit from china here
405: [11:13:56] <irogue_> ss23: jesus fuck
406: [11:14:15] <irogue_> mine in hamilton was $50 and that was the most expensive in hams
407: [11:14:16] <spronk2> $47 without CSC here
408: [11:14:54] <ss23> Yeah well, Wellington :P
409: [11:15:10] <ss23> http://www.citymedical.co.nz/services.html
410: [11:15:14] <ss23> Technically I lied, it's $59
411: [11:15:28] <irogue_> I'm a big fan of the green card system WINZ do now
412: [11:15:36] <irogue_> as annoying as it is being stuck behind them at the supermarket
413: [11:17:21] <ss23> ahaha
414: [11:17:22] <ss23> lol @ this
415: [11:17:26] <ss23> Just realised the CSC prices
416: [11:17:30] <ss23> 6-17 years $65.50
417: [11:17:36] <ss23> 6-17 years with community service or high user card $64.50
418: [11:17:41] <ss23> I don't think that's going to help poor people, ya know!
419: [11:17:50] <irogue_> thats for casual
420: [11:17:56] <spronk2> lol
421: [11:18:02] <spronk2> ugh
422: [11:18:05] <spronk2> that whole enrolled thing is a fucking PITA too
423: [11:18:11] <irogue_> a lot of places don't do CSC discounts for enrolled now
424: [11:18:14] <ss23> Yeah, but still, ir :P
425: [11:18:25] <irogue_> ss23: but yeah
426: [11:18:28] <irogue_> $1 discount
427: [11:18:28] <irogue_> WOOP
428: [11:19:18] <irogue_> spronk2: I think it's weird that you enrol with a PHO, but you only get cheaper fees at your own GP
429: [11:19:27] <irogue_> I'd be more OK with it if it was across the PHO
430: [11:19:42] <spronk2> mm
431: [11:19:43] <spronk2> exactly
432: [11:20:08] <spronk2> wow
433: [11:20:11] <spronk2> clayton cosgrove is out
434: [11:20:12] <spronk2> man
435: [11:20:16] <irogue_> cos sometimes if my GP is booked up I'll have to go somewhere else cos I can't wait, and then I'm paying casual prices
436: [11:20:38] <spronk2> mm
437: [11:20:41] <spronk2> and esp for stuff like 24 hour
438: [11:20:47] <irogue_> yep
439: [11:20:48] <spronk2> one thing that was ridiculous
440: [11:20:57] <spronk2> when i broke my finger
441: [11:21:14] <spronk2> i went to 24 hour place in chch the day after, because my GP would ahve to refer me somewhere anyway, and had no slots
442: [11:21:17] <spronk2> $75
443: [11:21:18] <irogue_> in hamilton, the 24hr medical centre has same ownership (not just PHO, but actual ownership) as my regular medical centre
444: [11:21:20] <spronk2> under ACC
445: [11:21:32] <irogue_> and yet no subsidised rates
446: [11:21:33] <spronk2> if i had gone after 6pm, either that night or the night before, it would have been $30
447: [11:21:34] <spronk2> .....
448: [11:21:37] <spronk2> mm
449: [11:22:01] <irogue_> well, looks like Jacinda did lose Auckland Central
450: [11:22:04] <irogue_> still in on list tho
451: [11:22:09] <spronk2> juuust
452: [11:22:38] <irogue_> nats did drop one more seat
453: [11:22:48] <spronk2> i wanted nat to be the main party in government, but.... i definitely didn't want that
454: [11:23:23] <irogue_> based on the usual super-green trend of special votes, they could potentially drop to 60 seats, but they have ACT's seat anyway which gives them the 61 seats
455: [11:23:35] <irogue_> without needing Maori, NZF or UF
456: [11:23:40] <spronk2> ugh
457: [11:23:43] <spronk2> that act seat annoys me greatly
458: [11:23:46] <spronk2> nobody wants act
459: [11:23:50] <spronk2> as witnessed by their party vote
460: [11:24:28] <irogue_> it shows the stupidity of Epsom voters tho
461: [11:24:50] <spronk2> act really is national's puppet for pushing through extreme right pollicy without hurting NAT themselves
462: [11:24:53] <irogue_> it wasn't even strategic this time, as voting for Goldsmith wouldve got them the same number of seats, since ACT are doing so poorly
463: [11:25:03] <spronk2> mmlol
464: [11:25:57] <irogue_> Jacinda wouldve comfortably won Ak Central if the left hadn't split their vote *sigh*
465: [11:26:05] <irogue_> people who don't understand MMP are annoying
466: [11:26:29] <spronk2> yeahh
467: [11:26:39] <ss23> A system that forces people to vote for people they don't want elected is stupid
468: [11:26:55] <spronk2> then again, maybe the people who voted for the green candidate in akc don't like jacinda?
469: [11:27:00] <ss23> DON'T MAKE ME LINK CGPGRAY IN HERE
470: [11:27:10] <irogue_> ss23: nah, Greens are just massively strong there
471: [11:27:16] <irogue_> look at their party vote
472: [11:27:54] <irogue_> ss23: yep. I really wish we could do STV, but I don't trust NZers to comprehend it
473: [11:29:19] <ss23> Who cares if they comprehend it, they just need to *do* it
474: [11:29:29] <spronk2> and now is where he gets stabbed and killed
475: [11:29:31] <irogue_> I've seen, in person, someone vote for the Waikato DHB elections by ticking one box
476: [11:29:36] <spronk2> < <
477: [11:29:37] <spronk2> > >
478: [11:30:08] <irogue_> that election form COULD NOT BE CLEARER
479: [11:30:28] <irogue_> it has examples, a huge "RANK THE CANDIDATES IN YOUR ORDER OF PREFERENCE" message, etc etc
480: [11:30:36] <irogue_> and people still just tick one box and think that's how they vote =/
481: [11:30:50] <irogue_> tl:dr; holy shit people are stupid
482: [11:31:15] <ss23> If some people fuck ti up, who cares
483: [11:31:16] <ss23> like
484: [11:31:25] <ss23> just take that as "this ie #1 preference, the rest are all equal 2nd"
485: [11:31:54] <spronk2> oh
486: [11:32:06] <spronk2> i wasn't supposed to rank the parties in my voting paper today?
487: [11:32:17] <ss23> lol
488: [11:32:22] <ss23> My flatmate fucked up his voting
489: [11:32:35] <ss23> "Tick the candidate you want" ... he proceeds to do an x on it
490: [11:32:36] <ss23> :P
491: [11:32:53] <spronk2> lool
492: [11:33:17] <irogue_> there's a big group of 18yo gays on twitter who voted national and had a whole pro-nats party tonight
493: [11:33:30] <irogue_> when asked why, they said "we don't care about politics, but Max Key is hot"
494: [11:34:02] <ss23> thats when you murdered them
495: [11:34:04] <ss23> right irogue_?
496: [11:34:05] <ss23> RIGHT?
497: [11:35:05] <irogue_> oh, and as we speak one of them just tweeted "Three more years of Max"
498: [11:36:52] <irogue_> ss23: it's damn tempting
499: [11:37:22] <irogue_> http://www.electionresults.govt.nz/electorate-25.html
500: [11:38:55] <spronk2> heh
501: [11:39:18] <irogue_> apparently there are a few Conservative Party voters in my electorate. I'll have to hunt them down.
502: [11:39:48] <spronk2> the conservatives headline policies all make a lot of sense
503: [11:40:07] <irogue_> cos they only headline the ones that do
504: [11:40:19] <spronk2> mm
505: [11:40:33] <spronk2> some of their candidates are genuinely frightening
506: [11:41:21] <irogue_> i'm so very happy that Asenati Lole-Taylor is gone
507: [11:43:19] <ss23> Anyone wanna go Gunpowder Plot on parliment but with less Catholic overtones?
508: [11:43:32] <spronk2> lol
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510: [11:45:34] <Liongold> Hi. How can I check if a session is set (like Session::get)?
511: [11:47:42] <irogue_> ss23: where do I log bugs for ssorg?
512: [11:47:56] <ss23> irogue_: Depends, are you going to fix it?
513: [11:48:00] <ss23> Cause if yes, you submit a PR
514: [11:48:04] <ss23> If you're not, then SHOVE IT UP YOUR ASS
515: [11:48:07] <irogue_> ss23: I probably could actually
516: [11:48:10] <ss23> Or I think there's a feedback form
517: [11:48:10] <irogue_> its pretty minor
518: [11:48:11] <ss23> not sure
519: [11:48:25] <ss23> Yeah
520: [11:48:27] <irogue_> its actually for api.ss
521: [11:48:29] <ss23> SEe that big "feedback" button?
522: [11:48:29] <ss23> Oh
523: [11:48:39] <ss23> Yeah well we know that one is a bit fucked up :O
524: [11:48:44] <ss23> Probably best to just PR it, irogue_
525: [11:48:47] <ss23> Or add it on Github
526: [11:48:56] <ss23> https://github.com/silverstripe/api.silverstripe.org
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528: [11:49:26] <irogue_> the additional bar at the top means that anchor links to lines etc are [insert bar height] above the viewable area
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530: [11:49:58] <ss23> I'm happy to let you fix or report it or whatever
531: [11:50:03] <irogue_> yep
532: [11:50:05] <irogue_> will see if i can fix
533: [11:51:10] <ss23> Extra points if you can also move the htdocs content to be like... containing nothing
534: [11:51:16] <ss23> irogue_: You know how assets work currently with deploynaut, right?
535: [11:51:32] <ss23> It'd be really nice if we had a similar thing for api, so that when you do a deploy, the generated files still exist
536: [11:51:39] <ss23> Will require a little refactoring though
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540: [11:58:29] <irogue_> I need another drink
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542: [12:00:15] <irogue_> ahhhhh
543: [12:00:27] <irogue_> single-line work cos they're just being handled as normal anchors
544: [12:00:36] <irogue_> multi-line is done in js, and that's what's fucked
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546: [12:10:37] <Liongold> irogue_: can you help me?
547: [12:10:54] <irogue_> ss23: I did it!
548: [12:12:31] <irogue_> Liongold: perhaps, or someone else might be able to
549: [12:13:07] <Liongold> irogue_: It's a simple session question. How can I check if a session is set?
550: [12:13:47] <ss23> irogue_: Yay!
551: [12:14:00] <irogue_> Liongold: just whether there's a session, or whether a specific key exists?
552: [12:14:33] <Liongold> irogue_: I'm doing Session::set("Form...."). I would like to check in another part if this is set.
553: [12:16:04] <irogue_> Liongold: Session::get()?
554: [12:16:12] <ss23> irogue_: Reponded with some criticism
555: [12:16:12] <ss23> :3
556: [12:16:42] <Liongold> irogue_: if(Session::get) works?
557: [12:19:00] <irogue_> Liongold: should do
558: [12:19:12] <irogue_> if(Session::get('blah'))
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560: [12:20:19] <Liongold> irogue_: I did if(Session....) { echo "bla"; } but the bla did not get shown anywhere.
561: [12:21:49] <irogue_> Liongold: is this SS3.1? and can you pastie your code?
562: [12:22:07] <irogue_> just the relevant bits where you're settings and trying to access the session
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564: [12:26:33] <Liongold> irogue_: Ok
565: [12:30:55] <Liongold> irogue_: https://gist.github.com/Liongold/d958fcc8f53bd3dd6e1c
566: [12:31:16] <Liongold> irogue_: I'm using SS. 33.1.5
567: [12:36:03] <irogue_> first, try using Debug::dump('test') instead of echo. sometimes echos don't do anything because the system does something in an indirect way.
568: [12:36:08] <Liongold> irogue_: Is that code enough to see the problem?
569: [12:36:10] <irogue_> WHOA there's the storm that was promised
570: [12:36:23] <ss23> I want a storm
571: [12:36:24] <ss23> :(
572: [12:37:05] <Liongold> irogue_: When it should be, test is shown. So I don't think echo is the problem?
573: [12:37:43] <irogue_> Liongold: sure, but it's worth a try, for debugging purposes
574: [12:40:04] <irogue_> ss23: you can have mine http://weymouth.ed.geek.nz/
575: [12:40:25] <ss23> Oh, finally got your webcam set up
576: [12:40:50] <irogue_> ss23: what looks like a weird camera fuckup over the road is actually horizontal rain ^_^
577: [12:41:24] <Liongold> irogue_: I did and the same thing happened.
578: [12:41:38] <ss23> heh
579: [12:42:15] <irogue_> Liongold: what are you expecting the value to be? if it's false, it'll fail the if()
580: [12:42:48] <Liongold> irogue_: It should show Lorem ipsum...
581: [12:43:12] <Liongold> irogue_: The Session::get does not seem to wkr
582: [12:44:06] <irogue_> just below where you're doing $session = Session::get(...), add Debug::dump($session) and see what you get
583: [12:44:16] <irogue_> make sure there's actually something in the session
584: [12:46:34] <Liongold> irogue_: It's just returning the filename and the line number, nothing else.
585: [12:47:22] <irogue_> then there's nothing set
586: [12:48:14] <Liongold> irogue_: What could then stop the Session::set from working? The return is working fine.
587: [12:48:52] <irogue_> Liongold: are you setting a value?
588: [12:49:03] <irogue_> I see in your paste on line 23 you're using Session::set but with no value
589: [12:55:31] <Liongold> irogue_: Oh forgot to include the $data. :( It works now. But I would like to know if the session is cleared on refresh?
590: [12:55:42] <irogue_> uh-oh, lights flickered
591: [12:56:31] <irogue_> Liongold: no, it shouldn't be
592: [12:57:39] <Liongold> irogue_: When does it?
593: [12:59:01] <irogue_> Liongold: when the session ends - generally when the browser is closed
594: [12:59:38] <Liongold> irogue_: Ok, thanks. Again, excuse me for bothering you for that small stupid problem. Thanks you very much for your help.
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596: [13:00:25] <Liongold> irogue_: And one last thing, can I overwrite the session?
597: [13:02:22] <irogue_> Liongold: you mean that particular session variable?
598: [13:02:44] <Liongold> irogue_: The FormInfo one
599: [13:02:53] <irogue_> just call Session::set() again
600: [13:03:28] <irogue_> or use Session::clear('Blah') if you want to clear it
601: [13:04:10] <Liongold> irogue_: Session::set is not overwriting. Can I do Session::clear even if the session is not set?
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603: [13:05:49] <irogue_> should be able to
604: [13:08:10] <irogue_> "overhead power line to house on fire"
605: [13:08:22] <irogue_> that happens far more often than I would've thought
606: [13:09:16] <Liongold> irogue_: Thanks a lot.
607: [13:12:26] <irogue_> Liongold: no worries
608: [13:13:39] <Liongold> Bye
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