#silverstripe IRC Log

IRC log for 20 August 2014

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1: [00:00:02] <Stomach> wracu as long as you are certain that they haven't changed any files you've been working on
2: [00:00:08] * antmas looks after legacy systems
3: [00:00:13] * antmas hates himself
4: [00:00:36] <wracu> quite possiblym but i need to do more work before merging it back to the parent branch... and I'd like to woprk out abny conflicts now rather than later
5: [00:00:53] <irogue_> [11:49:31] <novaweb> if I was working at silverstripe, would I be using boilerplate, bootstrap or something else?
6: [00:00:55] * irogue_ giggles
7: [00:01:50] * antmas starts laughing with irogue_
8: [00:02:04] <adrexia_> :D
9: [00:02:08] <ss23> Depends if naomi is in your team, right?
10: [00:02:09] <ss23> :P
11: [00:02:13] <ss23> "FUCK BOOTSTRAP"
12: [00:02:25] <irogue_> yeah it basically depends on what your team's ux person fancies
13: [00:02:27] <adrexia_> yeah, there's likely trusth in that ;)
14: [00:02:36] <adrexia_> think we were the only ones using gumby
15: [00:02:57] <adrexia_> but my opinion of bootstrap comes from old bootstrap
16: [00:03:04] <spronk> bs3 is pwn
17: [00:03:04] <adrexia_> it got ma lot better with bootstrap 3
18: [00:03:11] <spronk> though
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20: [00:03:16] <irogue_> yeah, bootstrap pre-3 was pretty shite. forced a lot of styling on you, and made it a real nightmare to override
21: [00:03:20] <Colin[pi]> hi everybody
22: [00:03:20] <spronk> i only really tajlk about the css parts when i consider bootstrap..
23: [00:03:20] <irogue_> !important ALL THE THINGS
24: [00:03:24] <adrexia_> although... it shipped all the complexity to classes
25: [00:03:28] <adrexia_> which is a bit weird
26: [00:04:11] * irogue_ currently finally working on a site using module_bootstrap instead of dodgy roll-yer-own "responsive"
27: [00:04:20] <adrexia_> this is porobably the thing i love most about gumby: http://gumbyframework.com/docs/mixins/#!/fancy-tiles
28: [00:05:30] <antmas> (32)Broken pipe: core_output_filter: writing data to the network
29: [00:05:33] <antmas> dafuq?
30: [00:06:05] <spronk> fancy tiles eh
31: [00:06:42] <spronk> tbh, /me has changed his entire opinion of responsive to "should not use" lately
32: [00:06:52] <Colin[pi]> :o
33: [00:06:54] <adrexia_> makes it easy to do 3:2:1 mobile layouts without adding three classes to every element
34: [00:06:57] <ss23> adaptive > responsive
35: [00:06:58] <ss23> amirite?
36: [00:07:14] <adrexia_> ...
37: [00:07:16] <spronk> lul
38: [00:07:20] <novaweb> so, In summary, I need to get this dev going. Should I use a library or just freestyle it :p
39: [00:07:22] <adrexia_> adaptive is about content
40: [00:07:29] <adrexia_> responsive is about design
41: [00:07:47] <adrexia_> they are complimentry
42: [00:07:49] <Stomach> adaptive response is about content design!
43: [00:07:57] <adrexia_> hehe
44: [00:08:01] <spronk> i've found myself really hating anything that presents me something cut down for my phone
45: [00:08:05] <novaweb> does anyone have experience in getting subsites running on a local vm via IP address?
46: [00:08:09] <spronk> the best thing about the iphone back when it came out was that you could see full websites
47: [00:08:11] <Stomach> spronk, thats adaptive
48: [00:08:23] <novaweb> think I may need to match subsite confir to vhosts...?
49: [00:08:25] <spronk> not some fucking bullshit single column half the content fucked up bullshit
50: [00:08:36] <novaweb> *config
51: [00:08:51] <Stomach> novaweb - yeah you will need set up vhosts for each subsite
52: [00:08:55] <adrexia_> spronk - that sounds likie responsive done wrong
53: [00:09:33] <novaweb> Stomach do you have an example you can pastie me, saves trial and error..
54: [00:10:11] <Stomach> novaweb, its just a regular vhost except with a subdomain in it too
55: [00:10:47] <novaweb> Ok
56: [00:11:06] <novaweb> will I need to edit /etc/hosts too?
57: [00:11:17] <irogue_> yeah the entire point of responsive was to have identical content just fit better for the device
58: [00:11:20] <novaweb> or just set up the vhost
59: [00:11:26] <irogue_> as opposited to having a "mobile site" (ugh)
60: [00:11:45] <Stomach> novaweb, you'll have to add to /etc/hosts as well
61: [00:11:58] <novaweb> choice, thanks.
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63: [00:17:38] <spronk> i don't really agree that content can be "fit better" without in some cases compromising the site
64: [00:18:38] <spronk> the worst offenders are the ones that change layout from large to really large viewports
65: [00:18:49] <spronk> like smashing magazine..
66: [00:19:07] <spronk> I JUST WANTED A SCROLLBAR FUCK YUO WEBSITE
67: [00:19:18] * vebb quit (Client Quit)
68: [00:20:07] <irogue_> kiwibank's site is a good example of responsive done well
69: [00:21:15] * jenniferaslan quit (Quit: jenniferaslan has left the room)
70: [00:21:20] <simon_w|work> But it doesn't obey the font size I've set. Jerks.
71: [00:22:24] <simon_w|work> Aha, getting phpunit to print to stderr means I actually get the progress thing showing up!
72: [00:23:45] <spronk> irogue, i still disagree
73: [00:23:48] <spronk> it's better than most
74: [00:24:17] <spronk> but these days i have a strong preference to the mobile site vs desktop site option
75: [00:24:29] <antmas> irogue_: kiwibank is pretty good
76: [00:24:34] <spronk> if it was possible to resize the viewport of a mobile device, it might be different
77: [00:24:42] <antmas> the transitions of the media queries is nice
78: [00:25:21] <irogue_> spronk: there's a checkbox in mobile browsers to just have it deliver you the desktop site
79: [00:25:29] <spronk> where o_O
80: [00:25:52] <irogue_> I don't have an iOS device on me right now, but in Android it's in the main Chrome hamburger menu
81: [00:26:02] <simon_w|work> irogue_, in Chrome, and doesn't help with media queries
82: [00:26:13] <antmas> on android chrome it's in the settings menu to 'Request Desktop Version'
83: [00:26:36] <spronk> ahg
84: [00:26:37] <spronk> its ios 8
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86: [00:26:48] <spronk> well
87: [00:26:49] <spronk> safa/ios8
88: [00:26:52] <antmas> there's your problem right there :P
89: [00:27:21] <spronk> tbh
90: [00:27:26] <spronk> i almost never want to mobile view myself
91: [00:27:42] <irogue_> why? it's weird having to zoom and move around a page
92: [00:27:50] <irogue_> makes reading a real pita
93: [00:27:59] <spronk> well
94: [00:28:02] <spronk> i dont really find it does
95: [00:28:10] <spronk> dpi of screen is good enough to read really small shit
96: [00:28:28] <irogue_> spronk: I suspect you're probably in the minority with that opinion though
97: [00:28:35] <spronk> yeah possibly
98: [00:28:42] <irogue_> so it's a bit dumb to design for your preference
99: [00:28:56] <simon_w|work> Also, Safari Reader
100: [00:29:00] <spronk> mm
101: [00:29:09] <simon_w|work> Is a lot nicer to read than any mobile site
102: [00:29:41] <irogue_> personally, if I land on a site on my phone and it's not responsive I'm likely to just close it cos I can't be bothered trying to use it
103: [00:29:51] <antmas> same here
104: [00:29:59] <spronk> android?
105: [00:30:03] <spronk> because...
106: [00:30:05] <antmas> both
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108: [00:30:25] <spronk> android is still awful for browsing desktop sites
109: [00:30:34] <irogue_> tablet, on the other hand
110: [00:30:44] <irogue_> sites that deliver mobile site to my ipad can fuck off
111: [00:30:56] <antmas> yeah this ^^^
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113: [00:31:23] <simon_w|work> irogue_, so you're likely to close a mobile-specific site just because it's not responsive?
114: [00:31:50] <irogue_> simon_w|work: mobile-specific sites i'll usually close because they have 1/10th of the information
115: [00:32:31] <simon_w|work> Responsive sites I usually close because I have to do far too much scrolling to get anywhere
116: [00:32:41] <spronk> http://www.inboundnow.com/why-responsive-web-design-is-not-right-for-your-website/
117: [00:32:42] <spronk> hm
118: [00:32:46] <spronk> seems like a bunch of people agree...
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120: [00:33:39] <antmas> that is so subjective
121: [00:33:46] <irogue_> spronk: that person seems to be coming at it from a "responsive is bad because less ad revenue!" angle
122: [00:34:13] <spronk> maybe, but the comments are skewed against responsive
123: [00:34:38] <antmas> spronk: I don't know what comments you're reading but most of them seem to disagree witht OP
124: [00:34:39] <simon_w|work> Oh man, you think the kiwibank one's good? Switch to mobile size and the site turns incredibly boring.
125: [00:34:53] <spronk> about 30% disagree with OP
126: [00:34:57] <ss23> Sure sure, we all can acknoloedge responsive has problems and we all can see a lot of opinions on it
127: [00:35:00] <ss23> HOWEVER
128: [00:35:04] <ss23> We can all agree that paralax is fucking retarded
129: [00:35:08] <spronk> haha
130: [00:35:09] <spronk> yes
131: [00:35:13] <antmas> simon_w|work: it's a bank site
132: [00:35:21] * spronk waves his walking stick around
133: [00:35:24] <spronk> bring back 1998
134: [00:35:24] <simon_w|work> antmas, and?
135: [00:35:33] <antmas> simon_w|work: it doesn't need to be exciting
136: [00:35:35] <ss23> spronk: ++
137: [00:35:38] <ss23> PLAIN ASCII 4 LYFE
138: [00:35:39] <spronk> also, tbh
139: [00:35:40] <simon_w|work> antmas, it kinda does
140: [00:35:44] <antmas> simon_w|work: why?
141: [00:35:47] <spronk> make an app
142: [00:35:53] <spronk> stick your mobile site in that
143: [00:36:01] <spronk> leave your www as desktop
144: [00:36:04] <simon_w|work> antmas, you want people to change bank. They won't do that if they're bored
145: [00:36:07] <antmas> spronk: agreed
146: [00:36:38] <antmas> simon_w|work: I think most people would opt to change a bank if the bank was good
147: [00:36:42] <antmas> not the site boring them
148: [00:36:48] <spronk> the whole RWD thing reminds me a little of apple's solution to the DPI issues
149: [00:36:51] <irogue_> simon_w|work: luckily most of the other banks are worse!
150: [00:36:59] <spronk> "infinitely scalable is too hard, so we gave up trying."
151: [00:37:19] <simon_w|work> antmas, and how would they find that out? There's nothing engaging on the mobile kiwibank site.
152: [00:37:35] <spronk> IMO, much better to create two separate, but easily optimisable experiences for mobile vs "desktop"
153: [00:37:39] <spronk> than one that never really does anything right
154: [00:37:55] <irogue_> ANZ and BNZ are cut-down mobile-specific sites, Westpac's 'responsive' doesn't work on a lot of android devices,
155: [00:37:56] <ss23> I wonder if devices like the oculous rift will ever take over
156: [00:37:57] <spronk> also, probably cheaper to do the former to a high standard.
157: [00:38:09] <ss23> irogue_: in their defence, android doesn't work on a lot of android devices
158: [00:38:22] <irogue_> ss23: that's true. but using javascript for responsive.....
159: [00:38:24] <spronk> oculous will never take over
160: [00:38:37] <ss23> spronk: I mean, that style of screen
161: [00:38:42] <antmas> simon_w|work: good content
162: [00:38:43] <spronk> VR?
163: [00:38:44] <ss23> Putting something over your face/eyes instead of something external
164: [00:38:49] <ss23> spronk: Oculous Rift is not VR
165: [00:38:50] <ss23> :S
166: [00:38:54] <spronk> sure it is
167: [00:38:55] <simon_w|work> antmas, isn't going to be read, because it's just a wall of text
168: [00:38:56] <ss23> It's just motion tracking + screens on eyes
169: [00:38:56] <ss23> no way
170: [00:39:06] <ss23> It's vr in the same way shoving my face up to the screen is VR
171: [00:39:09] <ss23> aka not
172: [00:39:17] <ss23> Unless you mean conceptually you can play a game in it that's not reality
173: [00:39:18] <antmas> simon_w|work: that's assuming a 'boring' site is but a wall of text
174: [00:39:31] <simon_w|work> antmas, that's what the kiwibank site is
175: [00:39:36] <ss23> Anyway, my question was to do with how you present a screen. Wehther shoving a screen over your face/eyes will take off
176: [00:39:45] <ss23> (as opposed to the current staring at something that's like 30cm away)
177: [00:39:51] <irogue_> ss23: wonder if shoving a chip in your hand will take off :P
178: [00:40:09] <antmas> simon_w|work: because it doesn't have different font sizes, good colours and layout?
179: [00:40:12] <ss23> irogue_: Never! :D
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181: [00:41:02] <irogue_> hmmmm
182: [00:41:05] <irogue_> subway or kebab
183: [00:41:14] <spronk> SOUVLAKI
184: [00:41:19] <spronk> fucking aucklanders and your fucking kebabs
185: [00:41:27] <spronk> second rate middle eastern food
186: [00:41:56] <simon_w|work> antmas, because it doesn't have anything that makes me want to stay
187: [00:42:07] * spronk is slightly bitter about this
188: [00:42:11] <irogue_> spronk: there's a really good place near here. most kebabs are... boring.
189: [00:42:21] <antmas> simon_w|work: what would make you want to stay specifically?
190: [00:42:24] <spronk> https://www.facebook.com/pages/Dimitris-Greek-Food/140059419371128
191: [00:42:27] <spronk> this is what you want, irogue :P
192: [00:42:48] <antmas> spronk: dat logo
193: [00:42:59] <spronk> SO WORDART
194: [00:43:13] <simon_w|work> antmas, no idea and that's not for me to figure out
195: [00:43:30] <spronk> tbh, antmas if kiwibank's mobile site looked a bit more like their app it would be nicer
196: [00:43:35] <spronk> also
197: [00:43:47] <spronk> iirc
198: [00:43:52] <spronk> their older mobile site used to have a nice banner tile at the top
199: [00:44:15] <irogue_> spronk: looks like a kebab shop :P
200: [00:44:15] <spronk> their new one is so broken
201: [00:44:27] <spronk> irogue, do your "kebabs" use pita bread, or thin wraps?
202: [00:44:57] <antmas> idk, I just don't think making a site exciting would make people switch banks
203: [00:45:05] <irogue_> spronk: turkish bread, quite thick
204: [00:45:10] <spronk> hmm
205: [00:45:11] <spronk> weird
206: [00:45:21] <spronk> antmas, i think their whole mobile site has the wrong assumptions
207: [00:45:23] <irogue_> http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_Xie4M5ZZIew/Sln4q7vgnxI/AAAAAAAAB30/XNBshG_xT_c/s1600/signboard+sidewalk+Istanbul+Kebab+%26+Pizza+Lamb+pizza+Auckland+City+New+Zealand+01.jpg
208: [00:45:24] <spronk> they have an app
209: [00:45:46] <spronk> why would i want to use their website to log on to online banking, or find a branch, or even call them
210: [00:45:54] <spronk> they have an app :|
211: [00:46:02] <antmas> spronk: I can think of 1 instance where that might happen
212: [00:46:09] <spronk> what, blackberry users?
213: [00:46:21] <antmas> not enough data on your phone and you really need to transfer money around or pay someone asap?
214: [00:46:29] <spronk> well
215: [00:46:30] <antmas> and can't download app etc
216: [00:46:35] <spronk> the app will use less data than their mobile site..
217: [00:46:40] <spronk> ok, so if you don't have the app
218: [00:46:44] <antmas> spronk: yeah but to donwload it
219: [00:46:44] <simon_w|work> antmas, then you'll run out of data loading all the images you can't see
220: [00:46:51] <spronk> haha
221: [00:47:00] <antmas> simon_w|work: lol yeah probably
222: [00:47:17] <spronk> hmm
223: [00:47:19] <spronk> they've done it reasonably
224: [00:47:32] <spronk> still
225: [00:47:35] <spronk> 832KB for the homepage
226: [00:47:54] <antmas> simon_w|work: any bank sites that look exciting to you?
227: [00:47:56] <irogue_> as long as you display:none not visibility:hidden, it shouldn't load the unused stuff
228: [00:48:00] <spronk> their app is 5MB
229: [00:48:06] <antmas> I used to think ASB's was, but now it just looks annoying
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231: [00:48:23] <irogue_> bnz's homepage does, but as soon as you leave the homepage you get the old theme
232: [00:48:35] <simon_w|work> antmas, I don't tend to look at bank sites
233: [00:48:35] <antmas> spronk: that would be enough in a pickle in my example
234: [00:48:52] <spronk> yeah
235: [00:48:54] <spronk> still though
236: [00:49:00] <spronk> it seems like an uncommon use case
237: [00:49:04] <irogue_> my main example of when I use mobile IB is using someone else's phone
238: [00:49:04] <antmas> *small* example
239: [00:49:06] <antmas> spronk: yeah
240: [00:49:15] <antmas> irogue_: yeah that too
241: [00:49:28] <irogue_> but thats cos I have an android, so my phone doesn't last an entire day
242: [00:49:35] <antmas> lol
243: [00:49:35] <spronk> l;awl
244: [00:49:53] <simon_w|work> antmas, just looked at BNZ. There's a much larger inclination to click through to some of the things
245: [00:50:10] <spronk> bnz's website is kinda wtf
246: [00:50:15] <spronk> their homepage is completely different to the rest of their site
247: [00:50:27] <irogue_> yeah, site's mid redo
248: [00:50:43] <spronk> their non-homepage looks a lot nicer, IMO
249: [00:50:46] <irogue_> homepage is a new, silverstripe site. rest of the site not done so goes back to the old site.
250: [00:50:51] <irogue_> spronk: wat
251: [00:50:53] <antmas> kiwibank looks much better than that
252: [00:51:03] <spronk> much tighter design, irogue_
253: [00:51:09] <irogue_> spronk: you have interesting ideas of what looks good
254: [00:51:14] <spronk> the new homepage is basically just more of those annoying light drop shadows from yesteryear
255: [00:51:40] <spronk> also, doesn't really play with their darker brand colours that they introduced after their failed pigtail experiment
256: [00:51:53] <antmas> spronk: ?
257: [00:51:56] <spronk> you know
258: [00:51:57] <antmas> pigtail?
259: [00:52:01] <spronk> when they changed their logo for the first time
260: [00:52:15] <spronk> http://www.stoppress.co.nz/blog/2010/08/new-ish-bnz-logo-brings-back-the-stars
261: [00:52:15] <antmas> I never noticed this :I
262: [00:52:52] <antmas> I like the pigtail more
263: [00:52:53] <antmas> :P
264: [00:53:09] <spronk> i was on the fence at the time
265: [00:53:24] <spronk> but i liked their darker implementation across the brand
266: [00:53:35] <antmas> that stoppress site looks awful
267: [00:53:39] <irogue_> spronk: they haven't really implemented it though
268: [00:53:44] <spronk> irogue, ?
269: [00:53:46] <irogue_> spronk: like, the stores have all been lightened
270: [00:54:01] <spronk> hmm
271: [00:54:03] <irogue_> there's barely any blue to be seen
272: [00:54:08] <simon_w|work> Gotta have a different blue to ANZ
273: [00:54:14] <spronk> maybe
274: [00:54:22] <spronk> the outsides are usually vbery blue?
275: [00:54:26] <irogue_> yeah, I think that's the issue - blue makes people think ANZ too much
276: [00:54:42] <irogue_> spronk: maybe in the older stores, but the newer ones are all fancy glass outside and white inside
277: [00:54:48] <spronk> http://www.warrenandmahoney.com/en/portfolio/bnz-retail-stores-national/ ?
278: [00:55:01] <irogue_> yep, v white
279: [00:55:13] <spronk> as a background colour yeah
280: [00:55:19] <spronk> but almost all the blue is dark
281: [00:55:36] <irogue_> only blue there is the badge and one lady's shirt
282: [00:55:57] <spronk> eh.
283: [00:56:14] <spronk> i still think their .co.nz homepage looks far more generic and cheap than the rest of their site
284: [00:56:22] <spronk> even though the latter is starting to look dated and "small"
285: [00:57:24] <antmas> does anything need to change with public statics in 3.1?
286: [00:57:31] <irogue_> brb going to obtain kebab
287: [00:57:31] <spronk> IMO bnz had the best implementation of their brand refresh
288: [00:57:32] * antmas assumes no
289: [00:57:41] <spronk> public statics?
290: [00:57:50] <spronk> your $db etc should be private...?
291: [00:57:52] <spronk> in 3.1
292: [00:58:19] <antmas> hmmmm, I have an extension of object which implements an interface
293: [00:58:47] <antmas> public static $server = "http://myserver";
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295: [00:59:00] <spronk> is probably fine
296: [00:59:06] <antmas> aiiiiiight
297: [00:59:10] <spronk> unless its silverstripe magic its fine
298: [00:59:15] <spronk> that doesn't look like ss magic :P
299: [00:59:43] <antmas> spronk: I'm porting a DMS from a 3.0 site to 3.1 :S
300: [00:59:45] <simon_w|work> antmas, will start throwing deprecation notices in 3.2
301: [00:59:56] <spronk> .. for anything declared public static?
302: [00:59:58] <antmas> simon_w|work: oh nice
303: [01:00:10] <simon_w|work> For any static not declared private
304: [01:00:15] <spronk> thats kinda ...
305: [01:00:16] <spronk> shit]
306: [01:00:48] <ss23> yeah
307: [01:00:51] <ss23> I rage against that shit
308: [01:01:14] <antmas> motherfucker
309: [01:01:29] <spronk> who the hell made that decision? :P
310: [01:01:30] <simon_w|work> Oh, looks like it'll only throw the notice when using the ConfigStaticManifest to read the value
311: [01:01:31] <antmas> shit times out when I try to list docs
312: [01:02:05] <simon_w|work> Which should only happen when using the Config API to read it
313: [01:06:59] <antmas> any ideas as why a treedropdownfield could cause a time out when loading objects?
314: [01:07:09] <antmas> tis really hard to track down :<
315: [01:10:30] <antmas> grr
316: [01:14:15] <Stomach> because you looked at it funny and mysql went away
317: [01:18:35] <irogue_> spronk: https://www.dropbox.com/s/5xfj66g8q9f4kvc/IMG_20140820_131529.jpg
318: [01:19:33] <spronk> weird
319: [01:19:41] <spronk> aucklanders and your weird kebabs
320: [01:19:44] <spronk> god damnit
321: [01:19:46] <spronk> i want a souvlaki now
322: [01:21:15] <Stomach> irogue_ is that from the place on k-road?
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327: [01:37:03] <boytikz> Is there anyway to specify column alias when using DataList::leftJoin()? My primary dataobject and the joining table both have column "Name" and the joining table overwrites the dataobject's column
328: [01:38:09] <simon_w|work> boytikz, third argument's the alias
329: [01:46:50] <irogue_> Stomach: nah, queen st just north of Shortland St
330: [01:46:52] <irogue_> Istanbul Kebab
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332: [01:55:22] <irogue_> What does a pirate say when he's having a heart attack? Help, please call an ambulance.
333: [01:56:11] <irogue_> <3 @antijokeapple
334: [01:59:31] <Kingy> so i'm getting Please install PHPUnit using pear
335: [01:59:36] <Kingy> I've just done that... ideas?
336: [01:59:39] <irogue_> ah, my favourite message
337: [02:00:15] <irogue_> personally I never had any luck getting the pear version to work, but the composer ones does
338: [02:00:26] <irogue_> --with-dev
339: [02:00:39] <simon_w|work> Kingy, the pear directory needs to be in your include path
340: [02:00:49] <antmas> haha, it was mysql
341: [02:00:52] <antmas> that bastard
342: [02:01:15] <Kingy> simon_w|work: it is
343: [02:01:32] <simon_w|work> Kingy, which version?
344: [02:01:40] <Kingy> oh phpunit?
345: [02:01:42] <Kingy> of*
346: [02:01:45] <simon_w|work> yes
347: [02:01:57] <Kingy> 4.0.17
348: [02:02:02] <simon_w|work> Try with 3.7
349: [02:02:07] <Kingy> hmk
350: [02:02:29] <simon_w|work> or just composer require phpunit/phpunit:3.7.*
351: [02:05:47] <novaweb> Yo homies. Is this "the" website for SCSS? http://sass-lang.com/
352: [02:05:52] * Stomach has joined #silverstripe
353: [02:06:10] <novaweb> I guess so....
354: [02:06:32] <adrexia_> yeah, pretty mcuh
355: [02:06:33] <adrexia_> :)
356: [02:06:41] <Stomach> github layout changed again >_<
357: [02:07:00] <adrexia_> this can be quite interetsing too:http://thesassway.com/
358: [02:07:14] <adrexia_> for cpompass: http://compass-style.org/
359: [02:08:54] <novaweb> thank you
360: [02:10:46] <antmas> jquery question
361: [02:11:16] <antmas> can I do something like $('.myclass:equals("foo")').css({
362: [02:11:24] <antmas> instead of :contains?
363: [02:12:40] <antmas> hmmm doesn't look like it :/
364: [02:14:06] <Kingy> antmas: are you trying to see if the text =?
365: [02:14:26] <antmas> Kingy: yah
366: [02:14:57] <Kingy> if ($('.myclass').text() == "blah")
367: [02:14:58] <Kingy> i think
368: [02:15:18] <Stomach> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6673777/select-link-by-text-exact-match
369: [02:15:52] <antmas> Kingy: Stomach both work, chur
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372: [02:23:58] <Ryan-Toast> I have a shit load of items in my framework called core.123456
373: [02:24:02] <Ryan-Toast> what are these?
374: [02:24:06] <Ryan-Toast> and why are they in my folder?
375: [02:24:18] <antmas> I need to fix my jquery foo
376: [02:24:34] <Ryan-Toast> My framework folder is 10 gig…
377: [02:24:38] <Ryan-Toast> with these files
378: [02:24:59] <Kingy> backups of old versions?
379: [02:25:16] <Ryan-Toast> Kingy: only ever been 3.1.5
380: [02:26:09] <antmas> http://www.sspaste.com/paste/show/53f402bd5f580
381: [02:26:15] <antmas> I'm not doing it right
382: [02:26:17] <irogue_> Ryan-Toast: they're coredump files
383: [02:26:25] <Ryan-Toast> irogue_: what’s causing them?
384: [02:26:33] <irogue_> a process is crashing, presumably a sake task if it's in the framework folder
385: [02:26:38] <antmas> besides the missing '
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387: [02:26:55] <Ryan-Toast> irogue_: Will they be in the logs?
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389: [02:27:27] <irogue_> Ryan-Toast: if it's being run by a cronjob, depends if you've piped the cronjob output to a log file somewhere
390: [02:27:36] <Ryan-Toast> irogue_: No cron job
391: [02:27:55] <Kingy> antmas: is it not working at all? or do you want to refactor it
392: [02:28:03] <antmas> Kingy: not working at all
393: [02:28:31] <Ryan-Toast> antamas: what’;s the usecase for that? It’s badddddd
394: [02:28:54] <Kingy> antmas, don't think the css is right
395: [02:28:59] <antmas> oh wait
396: [02:29:01] <irogue_> Ryan-Toast: must be the php processes themselves crashing out then. likely if it's crashing so hard there's a coredump then it won't have had a chance to write a log
397: [02:29:01] <antmas> I got it :P
398: [02:29:23] <antmas> it does work
399: [02:29:31] <Kingy> good man
400: [02:29:55] <irogue_> Ryan-Toast: i'm not aware of any bug in 3.1.5 that's causing crashes like that, so I'd suggest checking your PHP config and/or upgrading PHP
401: [02:30:04] <Ryan-Toast> irogue_: kk, chur
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403: [02:31:47] <simon_w|work> Typing endif instead of end_if is hard
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408: [02:49:07] <spronk> woooooo @ igis
409: [02:50:36] <antmas> Kingy: ah nope, still not working :P
410: [02:50:45] <antmas> my else was, not the if lol
411: [02:51:04] <ss23> Yeah
412: [02:51:04] <ss23> :D
413: [02:51:13] <ss23> I hope those mother fuckers go DOWN
414: [02:51:38] <spronk> fuck yeah
415: [02:52:04] <spronk> i'm not usually one for firing, continuity has its benefits, but Collins needs to go. Key, likely, needs to go.
416: [02:55:05] <ss23> isn't it fun that national will probably still win?
417: [02:55:11] <spronk> im not so sure anymore
418: [02:55:22] <spronk> i think winston will hold the balance of power, again
419: [02:55:27] <antmas> I'll rage if labour does
420: [02:55:33] <spronk> and this year he's definitely leaning left
421: [02:55:58] <spronk> im waiting for the next poll
422: [02:56:07] <spronk> see what damage, if any, dirty politics has done to national
423: [02:56:40] <antmas> probably a bit
424: [02:56:45] <spronk> yeah
425: [02:56:50] <spronk> i reckon they'll lose a few points
426: [02:56:56] <antmas> but if key fires collins, it will bounce back a bit too
427: [02:56:58] <spronk> ipredict right now basically has a centre left govt winning it
428: [02:58:42] <spronk> hmm, mayube not anymore
429: [02:58:47] <antmas> I just really don't want that shell of a wuss cunliffe running the show
430: [02:58:56] <spronk> UGH
431: [02:58:58] <spronk> fuck i hate cunliffe
432: [03:00:48] <irogue_> [14:56:57] <antmas> but if key fires collins, it will bounce back a bit too
433: [03:00:53] <irogue_> I think Key knows there's a risk there
434: [03:01:09] <irogue_> Collins is seen as the head of the "tea party" faction within National
435: [03:01:17] <irogue_> and he might lose them to Conservative/ACT if he boots Collins
436: [03:02:45] <antmas> this close to the election, I wonder how much impact that would have though
437: [03:02:57] <spronk> mm
438: [03:03:08] <antmas> if he loses her to them and then wins
439: [03:03:14] <spronk> the closer to the election, the more impact a move like that makes I think
440: [03:03:20] <irogue_> antmas: then we're all better off
441: [03:03:21] <antmas> then she'll be thrown out to the fish
442: [03:03:50] <irogue_> it's a case now of weighing up whether he loses more by ditching the tea party faction or possibly losing centrists who don't like the bullshit
443: [03:04:10] <antmas> all I know is I can't wait till it's over
444: [03:04:13] <antmas> fuck the elections
445: [03:04:20] <Stomach> I think that if he throws her out after the election then there are grounds for calling a re-vote
446: [03:04:20] <irogue_> anyone else actually read the book?
447: [03:05:06] <antmas> something about reading it makes me feel dirty
448: [03:05:17] <antmas> like I'm buying into something I don't want
449: [03:05:24] <irogue_> what the herald etc have reported on is really only skimming the surface
450: [03:05:43] <irogue_> it's... pretty bad
451: [03:06:53] <antmas> anyone uploaded it online yet?
452: [03:06:58] <irogue_> a lot of own-goals - legit National voters should be horrified by it
453: [03:07:19] <irogue_> e.g. slandering respected National candidates in order to get them rolled and put their untested 'tea party faction' people into safe National seats
454: [03:08:24] <antmas> if that's the case
455: [03:08:37] <antmas> then National 'should' be quite obviously doomed to lose
456: [03:08:42] <antmas> but it doesn't seem that way
457: [03:08:53] <antmas> for whatever reason outside of ingorance
458: [03:08:58] <irogue_> antmas: unfortunately, National voters aren't reading the book, presumably for fear of what they'd find out
459: [03:09:30] <irogue_> or because they blindly believe Key saying it's a "left-wing conspiracy theory", despite the evidence and Collins admitting to a bunch of it
460: [03:09:35] <ss23> irogue_: ++
461: [03:09:35] <antmas> I wonder how long that will last
462: [03:09:36] <ss23> my flatmate
463: [03:09:43] <ss23> literally, he was just like "It's probably fake, who cares"
464: [03:09:52] <ss23> and also "lol who else am I going to vote for?"
465: [03:09:52] <antmas> is it online anywhere?
466: [03:09:54] <antmas> re ^^^
467: [03:10:10] <simon_w|work> antmas, Amazon
468: [03:10:19] <irogue_> antmas: prob on TPB or something, I bought it on kindle cos that's how I book
469: [03:11:11] <spronk> key's use of left wing as an insult really annoys me
470: [03:11:29] <adrexia_> interestingly, there has been a subtle chnage to the "we love John Key" vibe main stream media was giving off
471: [03:11:30] <antmas> ah
472: [03:11:32] <antmas> my Dad has it
473: [03:11:41] <antmas> and he's hardcore right
474: [03:11:46] <adrexia_> I think tehy are angry that he gave bloggers inside info and not them
475: [03:11:46] <irogue_> adrexia_: yeah, I think they realised it was becoming too obvious / a sinking ship
476: [03:11:52] <irogue_> adrexia_: that too
477: [03:12:04] <Stomach> antmas: http://thepiratebay.se/torrent/10801402/Dirty_Politics_Nicky_Hager.epub
478: [03:12:06] <spronk> i wonder if there are any stats on widescale political compass over time
479: [03:12:07] <spronk> i.e.
480: [03:12:18] <antmas> Stomach: can't open that here :P
481: [03:12:20] <spronk> current stats show younger ~= left, older ~= right
482: [03:12:31] <spronk> but i wonder if the old right used to be further left
483: [03:12:50] <adrexia_> last election I was suprised at how many first vtime voters were voting national
484: [03:12:50] <Stomach> me either, just copied link from one of the multiple facebook posts I've gotten with it over the past few hours lol
485: [03:12:52] <adrexia_> no memeory
486: [03:13:18] <Stomach> the current "right" is centre-left in the grand scheme of things really
487: [03:13:32] <spronk> hmm
488: [03:13:34] <spronk> i dno
489: [03:13:40] <spronk> centreish
490: [03:13:52] <spronk> compared to USA we're hippies
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492: [03:14:07] <Stomach> I wonder how many people vote national because in the right the democrats are blue
493: [03:14:14] <Stomach> in the usa*
494: [03:14:19] <spronk> heh
495: [03:14:24] <spronk> though
496: [03:14:38] <spronk> in the USA these days the democrats and republicans are almost the same
497: [03:14:48] <adrexia_> Stomach the grand scheme of things being the USA?
498: [03:15:01] <spronk> http://www.politicalcompass.org/uselection2012
499: [03:15:09] <Stomach> adrexia_, nope, the world
500: [03:15:15] <Stomach> look at Australia... :P
501: [03:15:16] <adrexia_> hmm...
502: [03:15:16] <irogue_> "A few days earlier, he had written to Slater about the impressive organiser of the Student Volunteer Army (SVA), Sam Johnson, who was co-ordinating voluntary clean-up efforts after the Christchurch earthquake. Lusk did not like a complimentary comment made by a Green Party MP about the SVA and wrote 'Cam, can you bash this cunt... I'll write it.'
503: [03:15:21] <spronk> also, http://www.politicalcompass.org/nz2011
504: [03:15:23] <adrexia_> Western worlkd?
505: [03:15:26] <adrexia_> maybe
506: [03:15:47] <adrexia_> but National is a whole lot further right than it was 15 years ago
507: [03:15:49] <Stomach> adrexia_, yeah thats probably a better compass
508: [03:15:54] <irogue_> ^ the "he" in that is Simon Lusk, an 'unofficial' (on the payroll but not officially) national party strategist
509: [03:16:09] <Stomach> and I agree with that, way further right than they used to be
510: [03:16:46] <spronk> simon lusk is a cunt
511: [03:17:05] <simon_w|work> He should change his name so I don't get highlighted when you talk about him :p
512: [03:17:11] <irogue_> lol
513: [03:18:02] <adrexia_> I think our culture is a mlot furthewr right than it used to be. The stuff people see as normal now used to be seen as crazy right wing fringe
514: [03:18:33] <adrexia_> (some of us still see it that way, but we used to be the majority)
515: [03:18:55] <spronk> hmm
516: [03:19:02] <spronk> any examples?
517: [03:19:31] <irogue_> https://www.dropbox.com/s/fpens60bywrqped/Screenshot%202014-08-20%2015.19.12.png
518: [03:19:35] <irogue_> ^ my fav line in the book
519: [03:19:37] <Stomach> selling all of our assets...
520: [03:19:46] <Stomach> foreign land investment
521: [03:19:52] <spronk> hmm
522: [03:20:00] <spronk> the majority of NZ, i think, stil see those as crazy right wing fringe
523: [03:20:10] <spronk> the referendum on asset sales showed us that
524: [03:20:22] <simon_w|work> Also, is what the left did in the 80s
525: [03:20:27] <spronk> mm
526: [03:20:41] <irogue_> that labour party is generally not considered left :P
527: [03:20:45] <pippy> http://imgur.com/CRF5gx0
528: [03:20:51] <spronk> Jamie Whyte's attitude on foreign land sales is atrocious
529: [03:20:54] <spronk> "it's not new zealand land."
530: [03:20:57] <adrexia_> spronk - in the real world if you object to soemthing as strongly as you should object to assets sales, you vote out any party that does it
531: [03:20:58] <irogue_> jamie whyte is atrocious
532: [03:21:00] <pippy> iPredict right now
533: [03:21:25] <adrexia_> that labour party formed Act, didn't they?
534: [03:21:31] <spronk> adrexia_, the political party system is broken. I'd rather have national in govt than labour, but i *detest* certain Nat policies
535: [03:21:38] <adrexia_> infiltraitors
536: [03:21:40] <spronk> roger douglas wasn't it?
537: [03:22:12] <adrexia_> spronk - see that's just a bit...
538: [03:22:24] <adrexia_> don't reward a government that doesn't listen
539: [03:22:32] <spronk> ugh, i know
540: [03:22:37] <spronk> but what is the alternative option?
541: [03:22:48] <adrexia_> ssomeone else. anyoine else
542: [03:22:54] <adrexia_> protest vote
543: [03:23:00] <Stomach> independants
544: [03:23:04] * spronk really wants a vote of no confidence
545: [03:23:21] <Stomach> I'm voting independent for my electorate
546: [03:23:26] <spronk> hmm
547: [03:23:27] <Stomach> but I live in epsom :\
548: [03:23:29] <spronk> wonder if i even have an independent
549: [03:23:32] <antmas> is voting green
550: [03:23:34] <spronk> haha Stomach, you're fucked
551: [03:23:41] <Stomach> spronk, yeah, I know.
552: [03:23:47] <simon_w|work> I should see who's in my electorate
553: [03:23:47] <spronk> i might vote for Colin the reptile
554: [03:23:53] <simon_w|work> Turns out, I've still got one!
555: [03:23:58] <spronk> it's almost the same thing as a protest vote, right?
556: [03:24:12] <Stomach> the worst thing is that none of those fucks in epsom actually care about epsom
557: [03:24:27] <Stomach> they just care about more votes/people for the party
558: [03:24:45] <spronk> i really hope Ohariu vote out dunne this time around
559: [03:24:53] <spronk> it was a close call last time
560: [03:25:30] <spronk> http://www.roymorgan.com.au/findings/5747-roy-morgan-new-zealand-voting-intention-august-20-2014-201408200128
561: [03:25:32] <spronk> well, what do you know
562: [03:25:37] <simon_w|work> Oops, forgot to end my lunch break
563: [03:25:41] <spronk> winston rises from the grave
564: [03:26:06] <antmas> that dusty old fuck needs to go
565: [03:26:15] <antmas> but yeah, 48%
566: [03:26:19] <antmas> oooopaa!
567: [03:26:27] <spronk> yeah.... the sad thing is that winston is still one of our best presented politicians
568: [03:26:41] <spronk> though he's getting senile
569: [03:27:06] <simon_w|work> We should all just vote in Dot Com! :p
570: [03:27:45] <spronk> there's something completely disingenous about dotcom promoting a lefty party
571: [03:27:47] <antmas> simon_w|work: that would be pretty crazy
572: [03:27:51] <antmas> if that actually happened
573: [03:28:06] <irogue_> my MP is Louisa Wall, who's most well known for doing the marriage equality bill
574: [03:28:14] <antmas> we have Nick Smith
575: [03:28:19] <irogue_> and, being south auckland, that won't be changing anytime soon
576: [03:28:29] * spronk has Gerry "The Whale" Brownlee
577: [03:28:38] <irogue_> I still can't believe Conservatives bothered to deliver mailers and put signs up in my electorate
578: [03:28:42] <simon_w|work> irogue_, won't you still be Hamilton at the election?
579: [03:28:44] <irogue_> it's about as red as it gets
580: [03:28:54] <irogue_> simon_w|work: nope, all registered in Manurewa
581: [03:29:04] <simon_w|work> 3 months though?
582: [03:29:37] * simon_w|work has some labour prick that kept sending spam
583: [03:29:40] <irogue_> simon_w|work: will have been 3 months
584: [03:30:01] <irogue_> in hamilton I had Tim Macindoe *shudder*
585: [03:32:04] <irogue_> https://www.dropbox.com/s/ikffqazlg1sr0r3/Screenshot%202014-08-20%2015.31.39.png
586: [03:32:41] <simon_w|work> Grant Robertson
587: [03:32:51] <simon_w|work> That's the guy who kept sending me spam
588: [03:33:18] <irogue_> hope you complained to DIA :P
589: [03:33:36] <simon_w|work> Postal spam, so wasn't covered :(
590: [03:34:11] <irogue_> ah, yeah postal spam is completely legit
591: [03:35:28] <irogue_> back in the tron I got so fucking much of it from Tim Macindoe and some unheard of NZ First candidate
592: [03:35:49] <ss23> I get a lot of Collin Craig spam at my house
593: [03:35:49] <ss23> :(
594: [03:35:54] <antmas> I don't seem to get anything other than labour spam
595: [03:36:03] <irogue_> ss23: yeah, I got a bunch of it too, despite the no circulars sign
596: [03:36:07] <ss23> And they're like "HERE DO THIS QUIZ", and all I could think was "This quiz proves I do not support Collin Craig"
597: [03:36:14] <irogue_> +1
598: [03:36:51] <irogue_> on the plus side, I like knowing that he's wasting money in electorates like mine instead of focussing on potentially winnable ones
599: [03:36:58] <ss23> haha
600: [03:37:16] <spronk> tbh
601: [03:37:24] <spronk> i dont really mind most of the conservative policies
602: [03:37:37] <spronk> its just coilin craig
603: [03:37:37] <spronk> omfg
604: [03:37:44] <irogue_> the problem with the Conservatives is they do a great job of promoting their good policies and hiding their scary ones
605: [03:37:50] <spronk> yeah
606: [03:37:57] <spronk> their website currently has 5 policies
607: [03:38:01] <spronk> all of which i .. more or less agree iwth
608: [03:38:14] <ss23> Naw, their spam I got the other day was along the lines of "LET CITIZENS DECIDE EVERYTHING, INCLUDING HOW MCUH TAX THEY {AY"
609: [03:38:17] <ss23> pay*
610: [03:38:19] <irogue_> ah yeah
611: [03:38:21] <irogue_> bahahahaha
612: [03:38:21] <ss23> And all I could think was "This person has literally no idea"
613: [03:38:25] <irogue_> plz look at california
614: [03:38:28] <ss23> yeah
615: [03:38:29] <ss23> >.<
616: [03:38:31] <irogue_> people are too stupid for that
617: [03:38:35] <ss23> We literally have examples of how this shit does not work
618: [03:38:37] <spronk> mm
619: [03:38:43] <irogue_> I WANT TO PAY LESS TAX AND ALSO HAVE MORE SOCIAL SERVICES
620: [03:38:47] <ss23> haha
621: [03:38:47] <ss23> ^^
622: [03:38:48] <irogue_> OMG WHY IS THE STATE BROKE?!!?!?!
623: [03:38:55] <ss23> That being said, I can see why it would get you votes. If enough stupid people believe it's possible to get it, they'll vote for it
624: [03:38:59] <ss23> :P
625: [03:39:02] <ss23> I fucking hate democracy so much
626: [03:39:02] <madmatt> Just print more money
627: [03:39:16] <ss23> (inb4 one day I try doing politics and someone quotes that)
628: [03:39:22] <irogue_> lol
629: [03:39:39] <irogue_> I think if you ever try doing politics we'll have to delete all the ss-logs
630: [03:39:49] <ss23> hahaha
631: [03:40:00] <ss23> I dont' think I could, this is one of the least offensive places I say things
632: [03:40:00] <simon_w|work> Don't worry, there's backups ;)
633: [03:40:12] <ss23> On Rizon... pretty sure I would go to prison for some of that shit
634: [03:40:36] <irogue_> not if you're a national party MP!
635: [03:40:41] <ss23> hahaha
636: [03:41:05] <antmas> where are the conservative policies?
637: [03:41:10] <antmas> I haven't read them yet :O
638: [03:41:11] <irogue_> and if you do, just ask Whaleoil nicely and he'Collins will sneakily arrange to move you to a nicer one
639: [03:41:23] <irogue_> *he & Collins
640: [03:42:56] <irogue_> this is a great site: https://nzelection.askaway.org.nz/q/sect-78-of-the-educ-act-1964-allows-secular-state-school-boards-to
641: [03:45:29] <antmas> if only the conservatives stopped using words like 'insanity'
642: [03:45:33] <antmas> and 'loony'
643: [03:47:20] <irogue_> I bet National and NZF would change their tune on RI quickly if a public school started teaching islam
644: [03:47:50] <ss23> ^
645: [03:47:50] <ss23> lol
646: [03:48:05] <antmas> lol at collins resignation hoax
647: [03:48:08] <simon_w|work> Eh, my school did
648: [03:48:12] <antmas> 'descended into chaos'
649: [03:48:32] <irogue_> simon_w|work: your primary school did?
650: [03:48:39] <simon_w|work> irogue_, secondary
651: [03:48:44] <irogue_> that's quite different
652: [03:48:53] <irogue_> RE vs RI
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654: [03:49:16] <antmas> that's quite wrong
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662: [04:07:45] <spronk> ughhh
663: [04:07:49] <spronk> for a search company
664: [04:07:52] <spronk> google are FUCKING USELESS at search
665: [04:10:39] <irogue_> lol
666: [04:11:48] <ss23> Everyone forgets how bad itwas before google, man!
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668: [04:12:48] <irogue_> ss23: ask jeeves!
669: [04:13:03] <nicolaas> Hey SS Gurus - does anyone know if there is a programmatic (code) way to do a flush=all?
670: [04:13:45] <simon_w|work> nicolaas, SSViewer::flush_template_cache()
671: [04:13:47] <irogue_> if the aim is just to clear the template cache, http://api.silverstripe.org/3.1/class-SSViewer.html#_flush_template_cache
672: [04:16:22] <nicolaas> thank you SIMON!
673: [04:18:11] <Stomach> irogue_, do you feel like those 2 seconds spent searching were worth it
674: [04:18:14] <Stomach> bet you used google.
675: [04:18:53] <simon_w|work> To find that? Just open SSViewer.php, search for 'all', see what it calls
676: [04:19:13] <irogue_> didn't use google
677: [04:19:35] <irogue_> went to api.silverstripe.org, typed flush
678: [04:20:42] <spronk> nono
679: [04:20:46] <spronk> im not really talking about google web search
680: [04:20:55] <spronk> i'm talking about the search they put everywhere else (gmail, chrome history, hangouts)
681: [04:21:03] <nicolaas> WHat if I want to clean all the caches?
682: [04:21:29] <ss23> nicolaas: Then wait for https://github.com/silverstripe/silverstripe-framework/pull/3393 to be merged :P
683: [04:21:32] <irogue_> spronk: yeah, I know
684: [04:21:42] <spronk> its godawfully bad
685: [04:21:49] <spronk> and they dont provide any alternative ways to brows
686: [04:21:49] <spronk> e
687: [04:22:00] <nicolaas> :-)
688: [04:26:19] <simon_w|work> nicolaas, delete everything in TEMP_FOLDER
689: [04:26:36] <simon_w|work> Though it's using Zend_Cache now, so there's probably something you can do with that instead
690: [04:28:05] <simon_w|work> nicolaas, though why do you need to?
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692: [04:41:30] <irogue_> bahaha
693: [04:41:44] <irogue_> mooman just tried to type on hamish's keyboard
694: [04:42:05] <irogue_> dvorak :P
695: [04:43:12] <nicolaas> hey, sorry - was away for a bit .... I am using a bunch of caches SS_Cache stuff..
696: [04:43:19] <nicolaas> it is all pretty magical to me...
697: [04:43:50] <nicolaas> to keep it simple, I just wanted to flush all - because otherwise I have to think really hard what needs flushing, etc....
698: [04:44:26] <nicolaas> I have another question... If you want to set some configs that are only relevant to the CMS then how do you encapsulate them so that they do not need to run on every page load?
699: [04:44:37] <simon_w|work> So you want to flush all of your SS_Caches?
700: [04:45:06] <simon_w|work> Only get them when you're inside the cms
701: [04:46:02] <nicolaas> yeah - I want to flush all the SS_Caches and my second question is how I can run COnfig::inst()->Update only when the CMS is being opened...
702: [04:47:39] <simon_w|work> SS_Cache::feactory('')->clean()
703: [04:47:51] <simon_w|work> And just do it from YAML
704: [04:48:18] <azureRaven> If I have a json feed I want to link to, is there anyway to set it to the parent url?
705: [04:48:44] <azureRaven> So rather than it being http://mysite/pagecontroller/json.json, it could be http://mysite/json.json ?
706: [04:48:47] <nicolaas> ok - sorry, my question wa not right - I want to add a menu item but it seems to waste to add CMSMenu::replace_menu_item to the _config file...
707: [04:49:48] <simon_w|work> nicolaas, micro-optimisations aren't going to help you
708: [04:50:03] <nicolaas> ha ha ha ha
709: [04:50:05] <nicolaas> OK!
710: [04:50:20] <nicolaas> what you are saying is that I am wasting my time BIG time?
711: [04:50:34] <irogue_> yeah, things like that are microscopic compared to things like sql queries
712: [04:50:35] <simon_w|work> azureRaven, Could try a Directory rule on json to pagecontroller
713: [04:50:58] <azureRaven> Hmm. Right.
714: [04:51:04] <irogue_> also, fucking javascript include orders
715: [04:51:28] <azureRaven> I was just doing function json() return json_encode($output); But that would probably be best?
716: [04:51:31] <azureRaven> How might I go about learning that?
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730: [05:46:28] <azureRaven> Hmm. I still can't figure this out.
731: [05:48:03] <azureRaven> I need to route my controller to make the json accessible at mysite.org/json rather than mysite.org/pagecontroller/json
732: [05:48:14] <azureRaven> I just have no clue how to do this.
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766: [08:12:54] <kinglozzer> Guise. If I run "phpunit framework/tests" with the cms/ folder present, they always fail (Director::test hits CMS routes, eventually exits with 404 when it shouldn't). If I remove the cms/ folder, they run fine. Are you supposed to keep the two folders apart when unit testing, or am I being stupid somewhere?
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769: [08:18:26] <Pylsdk> kinglozzer: sake dev/tests
770: [08:18:26] <kinglozzer> Specifically: DirectorTest::testResetGlobalsAfterTestRequest() >> Director::test() >> Director::handleRequest() >> ModelAsController::handleRequest() >> ModelAsController::getNestedController() which then calls httpError(404) as it can't find a sitetree record
771: [08:18:33] <Pylsdk> "Please install PHPUnit using pear"
772: [08:19:03] <kinglozzer> Pylsdk: Can you run individual tests with sake? Or pass extra params (e.g. db=sqlite3) ?
773: [08:19:08] <Pylsdk> yes
774: [08:19:23] <Guits> Hey guys.. suddenly i get
775: [08:19:27] <Pylsdk> sake is just an environment stabiliser
776: [08:19:28] <Guits> There seems to have been a technical problem. Please click the back button, refresh your browser, and try again.
777: [08:19:34] <Pylsdk> lolbl
778: [08:19:40] <Guits> on submitting a simple form
779: [08:19:57] <Pylsdk> kinglozzer: so anyway, phpunit is installed, but obviously not where SS is looking for it :<
780: [08:20:24] <Pylsdk> and I have cms present and I get no stupid errors.
781: [08:21:00] <Pylsdk> hmm actually I don't. But I've run tests with it present too and it doesn't error.
782: [08:21:02] <Pylsdk> it shoudlnt.
783: [08:24:17] <kinglozzer> Pylsdk: sake isn't going too well... :P
784: [08:24:39] <kinglozzer> Loads of errors (mainly about missing templates, I am flushing), then memory limit hit
785: [08:25:34] <kinglozzer> SODDING DIRECTORTEST.
786: [08:25:45] <Pylsdk> lol
787: [08:25:45] <kinglozzer> It just exits: ..............int(404)
788: [08:25:48] <kinglozzer> :(
789: [08:25:54] <Pylsdk> bl2u
790: [08:26:07] <Pylsdk> Someone tried to ring me this morning
791: [08:26:12] <Pylsdk> from a blocked number
792: [08:26:20] <Pylsdk> so I just hung up because I was on the train.
793: [08:26:32] <Pylsdk> now I wonder who it was, and if it was important
794: [08:26:38] <kinglozzer> WAIT WAIT WAIT
795: [08:26:46] <kinglozzer> Oh god... I think I've just realis... wait...
796: [08:26:57] <Pylsdk> In NZ I know blocked number usually mean 'vodafone ringing you to sell you more shit you dont want'
797: [08:26:57] <kinglozzer> Lemme check before I make myself look like a total moron
798: [08:27:09] <Pylsdk> kinglozzer: before you wreck yourself?
799: [08:27:52] <Pylsdk> also, someone broke the fuck out of master in the last couple of days.
800: [08:28:00] <Pylsdk> yesterday tests failed, but they ran.
801: [08:28:22] <Pylsdk> git fetch upstream; git merge upstream/master;
802: [08:28:25] <kinglozzer> Oh ffs derp
803: [08:28:42] <Pylsdk> php fatal error, require_once failed opening required AggregateTest,php
804: [08:28:47] <kinglozzer> I had an extension applied in mysite/ (in the same folder, forgot I had anything in there)
805: [08:28:51] <Pylsdk> what do?
806: [08:29:03] <kinglozzer> Test404Extension::onBeforeHTTPError($code, $request) { var_dump($code);die; }
807: [08:29:06] <kinglozzer> -.-
808: [08:29:23] <kinglozzer> Pylsdk: flush?
809: [08:29:31] <Pylsdk> I built!
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811: [08:30:39] <Pylsdk> classloader.php:77
812: [08:31:45] <Pylsdk> the fuck, it's in the rep.
813: [08:31:47] <Pylsdk> repo*
814: [08:34:40] <kinglozzer> https://github.com/silverstripe/silverstripe-cms is the thirdparty/ folder broken, or is it just me?
815: [08:35:00] <kinglozzer> Nope
816: [08:35:02] <kinglozzer> Never mind
817: [08:35:04] <kinglozzer> :P
818: [08:35:39] <ss23> Just you!
819: [08:36:21] <Pylsdk> what the hell ss23
820: [08:36:26] <Pylsdk> what the fuckity fuck?
821: [08:37:01] <Pylsdk> I had latest update of framework from a few days ago. Today I update it again. IT REMOVES A TEST FILE which is present in upstream.
822: [08:37:07] <Pylsdk> now tests don't run.
823: [08:38:18] <Pylsdk> it's present in BOTH repos.
824: [08:38:22] <Pylsdk> I J D E K
825: [08:39:08] <ss23> lol
826: [08:39:11] <ss23> Stop updating shit!
827: [08:39:12] <ss23> :D
828: [08:39:16] <Pylsdk> also, why the hell does the Injector folder come up different on github?
829: [08:39:26] <Pylsdk> ss23: NO, SS SHOULD STOP BEING SO BLEEDING EDGE
830: [08:39:30] <kinglozzer> k tests are fixed. Well, one failure on ErrorPageTest by whatever, close enough
831: [08:39:33] <kinglozzer> but*
832: [08:39:57] <ss23> XD
833: [08:40:13] <ss23> If you don't want bleeding edge, STOP FUCKING USING IT
834: [08:40:13] <ss23> :P
835: [08:40:15] <Pylsdk> git clean
836: [08:40:52] <ss23> tfw you don't know what version of software this is so you have to go through like each version one by one
837: [08:40:55] <ss23> :(
838: [08:41:06] <Pylsdk> ss23: how am I supposed to do shit when git breaks stuff?
839: [08:41:22] <Pylsdk> tfw? this fucking workload?
840: [08:41:25] <ss23> Use stable releases, n00by
841: [08:41:30] <kinglozzer> Also DAYYYUM how much memory does phpunit want?
842: [08:41:30] <ss23> lol
843: [08:41:33] <Pylsdk> ss23: for new dev?
844: [08:41:36] <Pylsdk> NO NOOB WRONG
845: [08:41:38] <ss23> "that feel when"
846: [08:41:41] <ss23> Pylsdk: THEN DON'T COMPLAIN
847: [08:41:48] <ss23> You don't go "Wah I'm using bleding edge and now I'm bleeding"
848: [08:41:48] <Pylsdk> ss23: I'm complain alright.
849: [08:41:49] <ss23> NOOB
850: [08:42:00] <ss23> you are complain
851: [08:42:01] <Pylsdk> git merge upstream/master SUDDENLY FILES REMOVED
852: [08:42:02] <Pylsdk> wtf
853: [08:42:29] <Pylsdk> files not missing from upstream this is.
854: [08:42:37] <Pylsdk> they not git rm'd
855: [08:42:45] <Pylsdk> idek
856: [08:44:23] <Pylsdk> I just wanted to see if the tests that failed yesterday are fixed :<
857: [08:44:51] <Pylsdk> instead imma go natrual join a table to itself and see what happens.
858: [08:44:53] <kinglozzer> Pylsdk: git reset --hard upstream/master? :P
859: [08:45:24] <Pylsdk> kinglozzer: tl;dr cd ..;rm -rf framework; Pyro --dosomething else;
860: [08:48:41] <Pylsdk> kinglozzer: rm -rf framework; git clone silverstripe-framework; phpunit; => 'filed to open required model/connect/MySQLDatabase.php"
861: [08:48:54] <Pylsdk> I don't even know what's going on. shit getting left out of pulls all over the show
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863: [08:49:13] <Pylsdk> on branch 3.1, duh
864: [08:49:47] <Pylsdk> nope, aggregatetest missing from master
865: [08:50:05] <Pylsdk> probably help if I stopped looking at 3.1 branch on github, derptderp :<
866: [08:54:38] <Pylsdk> well there we go, some fuckker dun gone removed it.
867: [08:54:43] <Pylsdk> EMERGENCY SOLVED
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872: [09:24:50] <Robke> howdy ;)
873: [09:26:10] <Pylsdk> hihi
874: [09:28:01] <Pylsdk> ss23: halp, I don't understand this commit: https://github.com/silverstripe/silverstripe-framework/commit/404478b07feb0f8efc8b19b1371d6f3b0398ff02
875: [09:28:09] <Pylsdk> and how travis still says OK after it.
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877: [09:29:51] <Pylsdk> kinglozzer: ^
878: [09:30:38] <kinglozzer> Pylsdk: huh? what don't you understand?
879: [09:31:13] <kinglozzer> All that stuff was deprecated for 3.1, now it's removed
880: [09:31:22] <Pylsdk> yes but it breaks core.
881: [09:31:31] <kinglozzer> How?
882: [09:31:45] <Pylsdk> well, for a start tests don't even BEGIN to run anymore.
883: [09:31:52] <Pylsdk> no idea how travis thought the merge was ok.
884: [09:32:14] <ss23> um
885: [09:32:31] <Pylsdk> also, Mailer.php?
886: [09:32:42] <ss23> Pylsdk: It looks like they still run?
887: [09:32:49] <Pylsdk> NOPE
888: [09:33:14] <ss23> https://travis-ci.org/silverstripe/silverstripe-framework
889: [09:33:15] <ss23> they seem to here?
890: [09:33:26] <kinglozzer> Pylsdk: They all ran for that commit: https://travis-ci.org/silverstripe/silverstripe-framework/builds/32821737
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892: [09:33:30] <Pylsdk> Fatal error: require_once(): Failed opening required '/.../tests/model/AggregateTest.php'
893: [09:33:37] <ss23> Pylsdk: Did you forget to flush?
894: [09:33:48] <ss23> Cause lik
895: [09:33:52] <ss23> There's nothing to include that...
896: [09:33:54] <Pylsdk> nope
897: [09:33:55] <Pylsdk> I didn't.
898: [09:34:03] <Pylsdk> i built, i flushed
899: [09:34:06] <ss23> Pylsdk: Well whats trying to include that for you?
900: [09:34:13] <Pylsdk> ClassLoader.php
901: [09:34:21] <ss23> That sounds like you forgot to flush
902: [09:34:28] <Pylsdk> sake dev/build
903: [09:34:31] <Pylsdk> sake / flush=1
904: [09:34:33] <ss23> no
905: [09:34:36] <ss23> phpunit flush=1
906: [09:34:42] <ss23> or something
907: [09:34:44] <ss23> or even better
908: [09:34:48] <ss23> rm -rf /tmp/silverstripe*
909: [09:34:49] <ss23> like
910: [09:34:52] <ss23> yeah
911: [09:34:56] <Pylsdk> Cannot open file flush=1.php
912: [09:34:57] <ss23> you need to clear the cache that's making that be loaded
913: [09:35:03] <ss23> yeah, relaise the phpunit one wouldn't work
914: [09:35:04] <ss23> use the rm -rf
915: [09:35:21] <ss23> There's nothing wrong at all with the commit, as far as I can tell
916: [09:35:23] <kinglozzer> Pylsdk: phpunit '' flush=1
917: [09:35:25] <kinglozzer> or something
918: [09:35:27] <ss23> Certainly, tests are still fine
919: [09:35:32] <Pylsdk> alright
920: [09:35:36] <Pylsdk> I did it
921: [09:35:47] <Pylsdk> why did my dev/build and flush=1 not work?
922: [09:35:50] <Pylsdk> through sake?
923: [09:36:04] <ss23> neither of those would change what the classloader loads for tests, I guess
924: [09:36:08] <ss23> flush=all might've
925: [09:36:09] <ss23> not sure
926: [09:36:35] <Pylsdk> ok running
927: [09:36:47] <Pylsdk> finally, thanks
928: [09:36:51] <ss23> ^.^
929: [09:37:00] <Pylsdk> did Mail FINALLY get moved into a class?
930: [09:38:22] <Pylsdk> god, most annoying thing invented in the last 2 years, smooth scroll. Fuck off, stop faffing around and just get me my data
931: [09:38:32] <Pylsdk> with as minimal amount of calculation necessary.
932: [09:39:03] <ss23> stupid browsers not setting their referrer are lame! :(
933: [09:40:17] <Pylsdk> you mean the best?
934: [09:40:27] <Pylsdk> you mean someone typed your url in directly and you're mad about it?
935: [09:40:51] <Pylsdk> hey ss23 is user-agent a required header?
936: [09:40:54] <Pylsdk> for http?
937: [09:40:57] <ss23> um
938: [09:40:58] <ss23> Nope
939: [09:41:01] <Pylsdk> good.
940: [09:41:06] <ss23> Only required field for HTTP 1.1 is Host
941: [09:41:07] <Pylsdk> so what is the minimum set of headers?
942: [09:41:15] <Pylsdk> oh
943: [09:41:20] <Pylsdk> GET /
944: [09:41:24] <Pylsdk> Host: ???
945: [09:41:29] <Pylsdk> I forget what Host is
946: [09:41:34] <ss23> Well if you omit the protocol, it defaults to HTTP 1.0, which doesn't erquire Host
947: [09:41:39] <ss23> Host: silverstripe.org
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949: [09:41:48] <Pylsdk> yeah but I mean request header?
950: [09:41:49] <ss23> GET /forums/fuckyou.php HTTP/1.1
951: [09:41:50] <ss23> Host: silverstripe.org
952: [09:41:53] <ss23> That is a request header
953: [09:41:54] <Pylsdk> OH right of course, because virtualhosts
954: [09:41:57] <ss23> mm
955: [09:42:05] <Pylsdk> memory, come back to me!
956: [09:42:17] <ss23> Which is where the SSL issue comes in
957: [09:42:31] <ss23> You say "Hi server, lets start doing SSL" then after that you say "Okay now we're encrypted I want silverstripe.org"
958: [09:42:34] <Pylsdk> 'the ssl issue'?
959: [09:42:51] <ss23> and server doesn't know you want silverstripe.org before you do the enxcerptyion, so it has no way of knowing to give you the islverstripe.org cert
960: [09:43:04] <ss23> hence, "You tried to access https://www.google.com but got a cert for gofuckyourself.org!"
961: [09:43:07] <ss23> or something
962: [09:43:08] <ss23> you know
963: [09:43:10] <ss23> hence sni
964: [09:43:24] <ss23> which is the fancy thing that lets you specify the Host before you finish SSL
965: [09:43:25] <Pylsdk> oh
966: [09:43:35] <Pylsdk> sni eh
967: [09:43:37] <Pylsdk> hmm
968: [09:43:52] <Pylsdk> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKPA8L5ZpqU
969: [09:44:07] <ss23> ...
970: [09:44:10] <ss23> THIS ISN'T METAL
971: [09:44:12] <ss23> that was misleading
972: [09:44:26] <ss23> :(
973: [09:44:29] <Pylsdk> turns out it wasn't what I wanted either
974: [09:44:30] <Pylsdk> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KHqfsoCQKc
975: [09:44:50] <ss23> did think it wasw weird music for you to listen to
976: [09:45:28] <ss23> So it's all good for him, but hwen I talk about being a "cherry popping father" it's all "I swear to God Stephen, if you ever have a daughter, I'm calling the fucking cops"
977: [09:47:19] <Pylsdk> lol, gawd.
978: [09:47:28] <Pylsdk> who said anything about it being YOUR daughter?
979: [09:47:35] <Pylsdk> what creeps, who thinks like that?
980: [09:47:44] <Pylsdk> Also, this morning I was thinking right. Greese
981: [09:50:36] <Pylsdk> Grease - that moment when Kenickie straight up asks Danny (Travolta) if he raped Sandy (Newton-John)
982: [09:51:16] <Pylsdk> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9sxnW6cIoE
983: [09:51:29] <Pylsdk> ALL: *Well-a, well-a, well-a, huh!* Girls: *Tell me more, tell me more* Frenchy: *Was it love at first sight?* Guys: *Tell me more, tell me more* Kenickie: *Did she put up a fight?*
984: [09:51:40] <Pylsdk> "Did she put up a fight?" o.0
985: [09:51:45] <Pylsdk> wtf!
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987: [09:52:39] <Pylsdk> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9sxnW6cIoE&t=1m11s
988: [09:52:44] <Pylsdk> :O
989: [09:52:44] <ss23> lol
990: [09:52:48] <Fisix_AIX> Am I right to believe the saveInto($something) overwrites everything in $something ?
991: [09:52:50] <ss23> I don't think "putting up a fight" always means rape :P
992: [09:53:04] <Pylsdk> Fisix_AIX: only the bits that are set, afaik.
993: [09:53:08] <ss23> Fights don't have to be physical, they can be "Oh no but what if someone finds out!", playful
994: [09:53:15] <Pylsdk> ss23: could be.
995: [09:53:25] <Fisix_AIX> Pylsdk, Is there a way to save but not overwrite ?
996: [09:53:26] <Pylsdk> not really a 'fight' then though is it?
997: [09:53:31] <Pylsdk> Fisix_AIX: well
998: [09:53:31] <ss23> Sure it is
999: [09:53:39] <ss23> fight doesn't explicitly mean phyiscal
1000: [09:53:44] <Pylsdk> $blah->update($dataArray)
1001: [09:53:44] <ss23> Especailly not in something as abstract as a song
1002: [09:53:56] <Pylsdk> ss23: yeah I realise that, but still...
1003: [09:54:31] <Pylsdk> it's not specific, but generally no means no.
1004: [09:54:58] <ss23> kind of, it's contextual
1005: [09:55:04] <ss23> "I want to wait", or "I don't know yet!"
1006: [09:55:35] <ss23> It's kind of shitty, because whether people liek it or not, it's not just a simple "Yes or no", ther'es normally lots of "no" that really means "I want you to love me more first"
1007: [09:56:42] <ss23> like there's that skit
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1009: [09:57:36] <ss23> oh, louis CK
1010: [09:57:51] <ss23> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4hNaFkbZYU
1011: [10:00:11] <Pylsdk> http://open.silverstripe.org/ticket/2715 - https://github.com/silverstripe/silverstripe-framework/blob/master/email/Mailer.php#L372
1012: [10:00:17] <Pylsdk> is it fixed ss23 ?
1013: [10:03:19] <ss23> idk!
1014: [10:03:20] <ss23> :O
1015: [10:03:43] <Fisix_AIX> How can I make my current function not overwrite the data from previous uploads, given this structure?: http://fpaste.org/126966/08528947/
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1018: [10:17:17] <Sj0hn> Yo
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1021: [10:21:22] <wmk> re
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1027: [10:24:07] <Sj0hn> Is it possible to have a page only visible for a group(in my case executive member), but still have it shown in the menu?
1028: [10:24:47] <wmk> Sj0hn, if you tweak the getMenu() method it will ;)
1029: [10:25:12] <wmk> what do you want to show if it's not a member of the group? a login form?
1030: [10:25:32] <Sj0hn> yeh
1031: [10:25:34] <Sj0hn> exactlu
1032: [10:25:43] <Sj0hn> exactly*
1033: [10:26:00] <Sj0hn> where can i find the getMenu function ?:)
1034: [10:26:21] <wmk> afaik SiteTree
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1048: [10:29:11] <wmk> Sj0hn, it was ContentController
1049: [10:29:23] <wmk> so you can overwrite it in your PageController
1050: [10:30:25] <Sj0hn> Ok, Thanks:)
1051: [10:30:27] <Pyfvcxsk> Fisix_AIX: idk.
1052: [10:30:35] <Pyfvcxsk> depends on what you're updating with the form I guess.
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1054: [10:31:10] <wmk> Sj0hn, LOL http://api.silverstripe.org/3.1/source-class-ContentController.html#269
1055: [10:31:42] <wmk> well, Line 270 shows someone was aware of your problem but it isn't fixed yet ;)
1056: [10:32:01] <wmk> Pyfvcxsk, hey dude
1057: [10:32:19] <Pyfvcxsk> but Fisix_AIX, you probably shouldn't have the ID on line 4, looks like it should be Vault()
1058: [10:32:35] <Fisix_AIX> Pyfvcxsk, ok
1059: [10:32:36] <Pyfvcxsk> if vault has many images, then perhaps Vault()->Images()->add(...
1060: [10:33:12] <Pyfvcxsk> Fisix_AIX: because VaultID will simply return an integer (eg. 32) which of course cannot have a function ->saveInto()
1061: [10:34:11] <Pyfvcxsk> but I dunno what vault is, so I'm not sure what you're asking.
1062: [10:34:48] <Fisix_AIX> I was following http://doc.silverstripe.org/framework/en/reference/uploadfield
1063: [10:34:55] <Fisix_AIX> Using the UploadField in a frontend form
1064: [10:35:03] <Pyfvcxsk> if it simply stores values, then you'll have to if($vault->value === null) $vault->value = $value; for each of the things in the data array. Sould be easy to loop though.
1065: [10:35:48] <Pyfvcxsk> Fisix_AIX: well, Im' not too sure on upload field, I dunno what it returns, if anything
1066: [10:36:55] <Fisix_AIX> Pyfvcxsk, Everything works as expected apart from the fact that each form submission overwrites the last
1067: [10:36:57] <Sj0hn> wmk: I see, removing the "$page->canView()" does the trick for me right now. But it would be nicer to add a checkbox for it.
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1069: [10:37:47] <wmk> Sj0hn, fix it and send a PR (with the proper unit test)
1070: [10:38:02] <wmk> dunno if there is already an issue for this
1071: [10:38:53] <wmk> Sj0hn, but it would be a nice feature to show the "show in menu anyway" checkbox only if the page is restricted to a group
1072: [10:39:38] <Sj0hn> Yeah should be hidden if not
1073: [10:40:24] <Sj0hn> Might figure it out outside work hours :p
1074: [10:40:55] <Pyfvcxsk> Fisix_AIX: hmm, well you need to manually update I guess with a loop, rather than using saveinto.
1075: [10:41:04] <Pyfvcxsk> that's about all I can think of though, sorry
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1092: [12:47:46] <NETim> morning. Any thoughts on why my blog URL now ends /blog?url=blog ?
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1096: [12:53:44] <Pyfvcxsk> Zauberfisch: did you write this? https://github.com/silverstripe/silverstripe-framework/blob/master/tests/forms/RequirementsTest.php#L413
1097: [12:53:51] <Pyfvcxsk> NETim: kia ora
1098: [12:54:22] <Pyfvcxsk> and yeah, something to do with you probably doing something like allthethings->redirect($_GET['neverdothis'])
1099: [12:54:39] <Pyfvcxsk> or some code somewhere doing that.
1100: [12:55:09] <Pyfvcxsk> perhaps getVars() //all of them, which includes the mod_rewrite added url=...
1101: [12:55:21] <Pyfvcxsk> $request->getVars
1102: [12:55:25] <Pyfvcxsk> ()
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1113: [14:45:22] <Zauberfisch> Pyfvcxsk: no, I don't think so
1114: [14:45:34] <Zauberfisch> but yay, there seems to be another fish somewhere
1115: [14:45:35] <Zauberfisch> <3
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1122: [15:14:49] <Pyfvcxsk> Zauberfisch: came across someone saying the same thing
1123: [15:14:55] <Pyfvcxsk> in quake the other night
1124: [15:14:59] <Pyfvcxsk> bit of a laugh
1125: [15:15:01] <Pyfvcxsk> to me.
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1129: [15:40:17] <Alboes> hi
1130: [15:41:29] <Alboes> how can I get only the language characters from $Locale. For example en_US: i need to show only: en
1131: [15:43:47] <wmk> substr()?
1132: [15:45:38] <Alboes> of course I can do it with substr, but I thought maybe there is something like $Locale.Nice and $Locale.RFC1766
1133: [15:45:48] <wmk> Alboes, there is something, wait a min
1134: [15:46:43] <wmk> Alboes, http://api.silverstripe.org/3.1/class-i18n.html#_get_lang_from_locale
1135: [15:48:21] <wmk> Alboes, you mean in templates?
1136: [15:48:40] <Alboes> yes, I mean in templates
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1138: [15:50:10] <wmk> hmm DBLocale has no shortcode for this, but you can easily extend it
1139: [15:50:52] <wmk> i mean decorate it with an extension ;)
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1141: [15:52:27] <Alboes> yes, I will do that, thanks
1142: [15:57:49] <wmk> Alboes, you can use the method i linked above for getting the short lang code
1143: [15:58:36] <Alboes> yes, get_lang_from_locale you mean?
1144: [15:59:07] <wmk> yup
1145: [16:02:14] <Alboes> thanks
1146: [16:11:14] <wmk> Alboes, depending on what you want to do: if it's a common use case you may also commit a pull request with the enhancement
1147: [16:12:48] <wmk> anyone knows if i can do a cap deploy with only checking out git repo and not rebuilding database?
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1155: [16:34:46] <Pyfvcxsk> wmk: I think general consensus these days is that cap deploy is doing it wrong :<
1156: [16:34:50] <Pyfvcxsk> but I dunno, sorry.
1157: [16:34:58] <Pyfvcxsk> home time!
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1159: [16:35:03] <wmk> Pyfvcxsk,
1160: [16:35:06] <wmk> damn.
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1192: [20:42:48] <giarc> hey there, trying to figure out the syntax to get the enumValues of a many_many_extrafields. something similar to: singleton('MyModel')->dbObject('MyCol')->enumValues(), but for the extra columns defined on the many_many_extrafields
1193: [20:49:46] <oddnoc> giarc: Have you tried getting it from the config system?
1194: [20:57:33] <giarc> hm, not sure what you mean 'from the config system'? I use the syntax above else where, figured getting the many_many_extrafields enum values would be similar? just wanted to populate a drop down form selector with possible values
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1196: [20:58:18] <giarc> sorry, that was meant for oddnoc
1197: [20:59:06] <oddnoc> giarc: OIC, you want the enum values, not just the column names
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1199: [21:00:03] <giarc> oddnoc: oh, yeah, the actual values
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1201: [21:05:04] <Ryan-Toast> Merning
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1203: [21:06:07] <oddnoc> giarc: You might need to start by a call to singleton(‘MyModel’)->many_many_extraFields(‘MyComponent’)
1204: [21:06:27] <oddnoc> I haven’t actually done this in practice, so YMMV
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1208: [21:16:33] <Pyromanik> ymmv?
1209: [21:16:39] <Pyromanik> oddnoc ^
1210: [21:16:55] <oddnoc> your mileage may vary. In all US car adverts.
1211: [21:17:00] <Pyromanik> your mother's merciful .... uhh...
1212: [21:17:07] <Pyromanik> ok.
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1214: [21:18:56] <Stomach> what're we all listening to today
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1220: [21:32:48] <Ryan-Toast> I think disabled pages that are disallowed by allowed_children should be hidden.
1221: [21:33:10] <Ryan-Toast> what do you guys think?
1222: [21:33:42] <oddnoc> Hidden or dimmed, yeah
1223: [21:33:44] <Ryan-Toast> Stomach: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCaM_FWQlvE&index=2&list=PL016DF490B141ECBD
1224: [21:33:53] <Ryan-Toast> oddnoc: they are dimmed currently.
1225: [21:34:07] <oddnoc> OK then, no strong opinion :)
1226: [21:34:33] <Ryan-Toast> May add it to my custom cms css
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1234: [22:18:23] <Pyromanik> someone please tell me what the FUCK this line is about!? https://github.com/silverstripe/silverstripe-framework/blob/3.1/tests/forms/RequirementsTest.php#L408
1235: [22:23:47] <Pyromanik> Stomach, doom unit
1236: [22:24:21] <Pyromanik> http://grooveshark.com/#!/album/Cross+The+Line/5218349
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1238: [22:29:13] <Pyromanik> Found by accident lol. Wanted Kamo & Krooked (Cross the line) got Doom Unit, shrugged and carried on, lol.
1239: [22:29:22] <Pyromanik> not bad :>
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1251: [23:02:59] <Kingy> howdy all
1252: [23:03:32] <wracu> When duplicating a dataObject, should the ID of the new dataObject be new?
1253: [23:04:10] <Olliepop> yes
1254: [23:04:43] <wracu> It appears that when I duplicate a dataObject, the ID of the object I want to duplicate is being applied to the new object, while a new value is generated for the existing one...
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1256: [23:06:08] <Olliepop> via duplicate()?
1257: [23:06:20] <wracu> I have another field which is a unique identifier and is generated on creation of the object.... the duplicated object gets a fresh one of these, while the original object (with the new ID) keeps its existing unique identifier
1258: [23:06:31] <wracu> I'm using parent::duplicate() which points to DataObject class
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1261: [23:08:01] <wracu> I have a suspicion of what might be going on... but just needed to confirm that the NEW object should get the new ID... let me do some more digging...
1262: [23:08:04] <Olliepop> Wracu: Isn't that how it should work? The duplicated gets a fresh id while the original remains the same?
1263: [23:08:24] <Olliepop> or rather the duplicate
1264: [23:08:43] <wracu> Duplicated vs duplicate?
1265: [23:08:50] <Olliepop> i meant the duplicate sorry :P
1266: [23:09:25] <Olliepop> oh i see, you mean the old object which was duplicated is getting a fresh id.. check your onbeforewrite
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1268: [23:10:17] <wracu> cool. thanks. just wanted to confirm what SHOULD be happnening...
1269: [23:10:26] <Olliepop> good luck
1270: [23:28:47] <wracu> found it
1271: [23:28:59] <wracu> as I suspected...
1272: [23:29:34] <wracu> the 'new' item should have a few fields reset to thier default values... however the object that these actions were being taken on was the one... urg.
1273: [23:30:33] <wracu> so the DataObject that was supposed to be copied, and remain untouched... is being edited. The new DataObject, is an exact clone of the old one, except for the ID in the DB
1274: [23:31:02] <wracu> Now I just need to figure out how to select the new item that has been cloned, and apply the edits to IT instead.
1275: [23:31:40] <wracu> my function goes like..
1276: [23:31:54] <wracu> $myObject = parent::duplicate();
1277: [23:32:19] <wracu> $myObject = MyObject::setField('Title', 'blank')
1278: [23:32:23] <wracu> etc....
1279: [23:33:23] <wracu> $myDuplicatedObject = MyObject::setField('Title', 'blank') <---- this is what I should be doing...
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1284: [23:54:27] <Ryan-Toast> How can I filter a dataobject if it has more than one belongs_many_many relations?
1285: [23:54:50] <Ryan-Toast> something like Parents()->Count() > 1?
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1287: [23:55:34] <Colin[pi]> moin moin
1288: [23:55:38] <Ryan-Toast> morning.
1289: [23:55:51] <Kingy> hey Colin[pi]
1290: [23:55:55] <Colin[pi]> yo
1291: [23:58:07] <Kingy> I made the mistake of putting my email address into design crowds website
1292: [23:58:19] <Ryan-Toast> How can I filter a dataobject if it has more than one belongs_many_many relations?
1293: [23:58:25] <Ryan-Toast> something like Parents()->Count() > 1?
1294: [23:59:11] <Kingy> 11:15 I got the thanks for registered email. 11:20 I got a personal hello from the CEO. 11:50 I got a 'ready to get started' email from the support team
1295: [23:59:14] <Kingy> fucking really
1296: [23:59:56] <Colin[pi]> lol

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