#silverstripe IRC Log

IRC log for 15 August 2014

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8: [00:41:01] <antmas> afternoon all!
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11: [00:46:52] <Kingy> hey antmas
12: [00:46:57] <Kingy> howd presentation go
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14: [00:51:30] <antmas> Kingy: good!
15: [00:51:34] <antmas> made it quick
16: [00:51:45] <antmas> dumbed it down a tad :P
17: [00:52:26] <Kingy> shouldve repeated the functional programming word for word
18: [00:52:29] <Kingy> see how that goes down haha
19: [00:54:56] <antmas> yeah the neckbeards would have wanted blood
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23: [01:10:42] <hailwood> Hey guys - We are looking at diving into silverstripe to rebuild a site - one thing that is required is a competition section, a list of codes (uploaded via csv) are stored, on the front end a user enters the code, depending on the code they are either shown a not valid message, shown a congrats - here is your prize message, or shown a "try again, but you have been entered into the main (to be drawn offline) competition" This would be easy in the con
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30: [01:31:54] <Kingy> antmas: you see they've put up a couple of videos from WDCNZ
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34: [01:35:10] <travis-ci> [travis-ci] silverstripe/silverstripe-cms#1032 (master - 23e7000 : Sean Harvey): The build is still failing.
35: [01:35:10] <travis-ci> [travis-ci] Change view : https://github.com/silverstripe/silverstripe-cms/compare/8baa126c1b51...23e70009d85d
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43: [01:51:16] <antmas> Kingy: yeah 2 of them yeah?
44: [01:51:29] <Kingy> yeah the first 2 talks
45: [01:52:25] <antmas> Kingy: link?
46: [01:52:49] <Kingy> antmas: http://vimeo.com/album/2976562
47: [01:52:55] <antmas> Kingy: chur
48: [01:52:57] <Kingy> seems the second one isn't there yet, but they posted it on twitter
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50: [01:55:41] <antmas> maybe they mean just the intro vid as one of them
51: [01:56:58] <Kingy> nah they javascript/robots one
52: [01:57:28] <Kingy> antmas: https://twitter.com/wdcnz/status/500085914396160000
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54: [02:01:24] <antmas> kingoh nice
55: [02:02:31] <antmas> so weird they played manson for that haha
56: [02:03:29] <Kingy> haha yeah
57: [02:05:59] <simon_w> Compiling makes my lap hot
58: [02:08:07] <antmas> fwiday
59: [02:08:19] <Kingy> afternoon even
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65: [02:17:09] <Ryan-Toast> All my parts are here, yesssssssssssss
66: [02:17:35] <Kingy> just in time for the weekend
67: [02:18:29] <Ryan-Toast> I’’ start building it at beer’o’clock. Hopefully my mrs doesn’t mind coming to pick it up
68: [02:19:06] <Kingy> lol
69: [02:19:12] <Kingy> does she have an option :P
70: [02:19:16] <Ryan-Toast> No.
71: [02:19:30] <Kingy> exactly so rephrase
72: [02:19:34] <Kingy> the mrs will come and pick it up
73: [02:20:12] <Ryan-Toast> I should prbs ask/tell her
74: [02:20:21] <Kingy> lolol
75: [02:20:31] <Kingy> yeah don't listen to me you'll just get in trouble
76: [02:20:45] <Ryan-Toast> If she wants my old comp, then she should.
77: [02:20:50] <Kingy> :P
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83: [03:06:51] <travis-ci> [travis-ci] silverstripe/silverstripe-cms#1032 (master - 23e7000 : Sean Harvey): The build was fixed.
84: [03:06:51] <travis-ci> [travis-ci] Change view : https://github.com/silverstripe/silverstripe-cms/compare/8baa126c1b51...23e70009d85d
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113: [04:09:29] <apuckey> hello, anyone used cloudassets with s3 module ?
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118: [04:29:05] <ss23> BUT HERE'S MY NUMBER, SO CALL ME MAYBE
119: [04:29:17] <ss23> HEY I JUST MET YOU
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121: [04:29:30] <Kingy> started early ss23?
122: [04:29:34] <ss23> XD
123: [04:29:37] <ss23> It's 4:30pm man!
124: [04:29:44] <ss23> It's been beer time for over 30 minutes now!
125: [04:29:59] <Kingy> lol fair call
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146: [06:05:24] <Pyrmnk> !
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148: [06:05:35] <Pyrmnk> SS3 drools
149: [06:05:44] <Pyrmnk> lol
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179: [08:13:54] <Pyfruitk> [02:52] <Kingy> antmas: http://vimeo.com/album/2976562 aww yiss. kinglozzer <<--
180: [08:14:16] <Pyfruitk> spend some quality 'research time' today instead of doing actual work.
181: [08:14:28] <Pyfruitk> It's Friday. (friday, friday...)
182: [08:14:44] <kinglozzer> Pyfruitk: woot!
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197: [09:47:29] <kinglozzer> Pyfruitk: You seen this? http://silverstripe.uservoice.com/forums/251266-new-features/suggestions/6196702-layout-builder
198: [09:47:34] <kinglozzer> :P
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200: [09:49:31] <zippy> evenigns
201: [09:51:18] <kinglozzer> Morning zippy
202: [09:51:28] <zippy> kinglozzer: get ya myslql sorted?
203: [09:51:49] <kinglozzer> zippy: Yep, brew to the rescue
204: [09:52:19] <kinglozzer> Haven't had an issue since :D
205: [09:56:48] <Pyfruitk> kinglozzer: dafuq?
206: [09:57:08] <Pyfruitk> kinglozzer: anonymouse trolllllllz again?
207: [09:57:09] <kinglozzer> Pyfruitk: Gotta be a wind up...
208: [09:57:13] <Pyfruitk> yeh.
209: [09:57:15] <Pyfruitk> well, yes and no.
210: [09:57:17] <Pyfruitk> I can make that.
211: [09:57:20] <Pyfruitk> I did once.
212: [09:57:22] <Pyfruitk> but it was shit.
213: [09:57:41] <Pyfruitk> got ideas to improve. Will make the 'scrolly one page website' bollocks much easier.
214: [09:57:45] <Pyfruitk> spronk will love me for it.
215: [09:58:45] <Pyfruitk> rofl kinglozzer, so I clicked 'vote' and it gave me a 404
216: [09:59:01] <kinglozzer> Pyfruitk: noscript?
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218: [10:00:31] <Pyfruitk> kinglozzer: yes. Also, definite windup anon post. http://silverstripe.uservoice.com/forums/251266-new-features/suggestions/6190884-make-the-framework-faster see 3rd from bottom.
219: [10:01:10] <Pyfruitk> urgh fuck, 'make better buttons standard' - fuck no.
220: [10:01:16] <Pyfruitk> piss off with your 28 votes.
221: [10:02:00] <Pyfruitk> Redesign to make a decent fucking api in the first place, don't include more shit on the top just because that's the easiest way to get better functionality.
222: [10:02:20] <kinglozzer> Haha yeah that's a good one
223: [10:02:23] <Pyfruitk> as was the original idea about a year ago, but it never went anywhere (was on dev list iirc, sminnee was thinking about it)
224: [10:02:35] <Pyfruitk> This is what happens when you let morons ask for stuff.
225: [10:02:45] <Pyfruitk> still, it's a good thing as a whole I guess.
226: [10:03:11] <Pyfruitk> just... kinda dangerous as an open source project as someone could actually just go and do that (pull a moudle into core)
227: [10:05:09] <simon_w> Well, I don't recognise the person that submitted http://silverstripe.uservoice.com/forums/251266-new-features/suggestions/6196702-layout-builder
228: [10:05:21] <kinglozzer> Pyfruitk: Hopefully none of the core team would ever do that though... if anything I think they're still trying to go the other way (e.g. breaking /admin out to a module from framework)
229: [10:05:29] <Pyfruitk> haha, I can see my old colleagues asking for things that are already possible :<
230: [10:05:40] <Pyfruitk> I'd have told them that if I were still there :/
231: [10:06:16] <Pyfruitk> simon_w: what do you mean? Logged IP or something?
232: [10:06:18] <simon_w> Pyfruitk, has it been marked as in a module already?
233: [10:06:32] <simon_w> Pyfruitk, need an email address to comment or post and idea
234: [10:07:20] <Pyfruitk> simon_w: no it's core :(
235: [10:07:52] <simon_w> Pyfruitk, link?
236: [10:07:59] <simon_w> (to the request)
237: [10:08:00] <Pyfruitk> They asked for something core already does. It's ok because the comments all say as such, so it's more for 'better docs around this kinda shit'
238: [10:08:06] <Pyfruitk> http://silverstripe.uservoice.com/forums/251266-new-features/suggestions/6196130-add-before-and-after-filters-to-controllers
239: [10:08:32] <Pyfruitk> oh god, he's the guy that requested better buttons be core too :<
240: [10:08:35] <Pyfruitk> sad. He's a good chap.
241: [10:09:44] <simon_w> Pyfruitk, well, that one's closed now
242: [10:10:00] <Pyfruitk> Still, I know that what he really means is that functionality be possible in core, not that better buttons itself be core.
243: [10:10:02] <Pyfruitk> but anyway.
244: [10:10:19] <Pyfruitk> hmm, fruit. why fruit. I was fruit yesterday.
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246: [10:11:00] <simon_w> Seriously? Cam voted for the better buttons one?
247: [10:11:05] * simon_w closes it as "Declined"
248: [10:11:08] <Pyhgk> hahaha
249: [10:11:11] <Pyhgk> <3 simon_w
250: [10:11:25] <simon_w> Once I go find the right ss-dev post to reference...
251: [10:11:52] <Pyhgk> it's sad rolling through this list, I see the most pertinent things popping out as things that have been talked about in the dev list or have been started previously by folks (but obviously abandoned over time constraints)
252: [10:12:36] <kinglozzer> Will 3.1.6 have any security fixes? Cba to changelog
253: [10:13:09] <ss23> kinglozzer: not important ones
254: [10:13:11] <Pyhgk> that's the point of mini .s isn't it?
255: [10:13:27] <kinglozzer> ss23: Cool, thanks
256: [10:13:30] <ss23> You can tell cause there was no 3.0 release
257: [10:15:11] <Pyhgk> http://silverstripe.uservoice.com/forums/251266-new-features/suggestions/6280454-when-inserting-media-allow-for-additional-css-clas
258: [10:15:21] <Pyhgk> lol, you mean like right click the image in the wysiwyg and add a class?
259: [10:15:56] <simon_w> Pyhgk, that's gone
260: [10:15:57] <Pyhgk> http://silverstripe.uservoice.com/forums/251266-new-features/suggestions/6197495-implement-a-centralised-module-folder NOPE.ffs
261: [10:16:07] <Pyhgk> simon_w: oh. ha. bad.
262: [10:17:00] <Pyhgk> http://silverstripe.uservoice.com/forums/251266-new-features/suggestions/6199952-add-a-modeladmin-for-sitetree-to-edit-certain-page
263: [10:17:07] <Pyhgk> This seems like a nothing
264: [10:17:15] <Pyhgk> click list view, gosh. Stop talking about 2.4
265: [10:18:00] <simon_w> Boom, declined
266: [10:18:13] <Pyhgk> http://silverstripe.uservoice.com/forums/251266-new-features/suggestions/6197495-implement-a-centralised-module-folder
267: [10:18:19] <Pyhgk> hmm, was actually thinking about this in the shower this morning.
268: [10:18:30] <simon_w> That's actually rather like to happen and is actually a good idea :p
269: [10:18:35] <Pyhgk> While it would be nice I guess for multi site installations... silverstripe isn't engineered to be multi site.
270: [10:18:37] <Pyhgk> so...
271: [10:18:38] <Pyhgk> yeah.
272: [10:18:43] <Pyhgk> IDK.
273: [10:18:57] <simon_w> It's more to stop your base folder being filled up with all your modules
274: [10:19:16] <Pyhgk> Traditionally I've been against it, but that's been more from a 'you should do this because xyz framework does it and it looks cleaner' whinge point.
275: [10:19:43] <zippy> but it's trueee....
276: [10:19:49] <zippy> same argument for config :D
277: [10:19:56] <Pyhgk> yeah, but see I don't see an issue with base folder filling up with modules.
278: [10:20:05] <simon_w> Now that we're pushing for lots of little useful modules, the cleaner argument is the main reason
279: [10:20:05] <zippy> I think it looks messey
280: [10:20:13] <Pyhgk> you fill a base folder up. you fill a modules folder up. Same shit different place.
281: [10:20:22] <simon_w> One you don't see :p
282: [10:20:22] <Pyhgk> I think it looks normal.
283: [10:20:35] <Pyhgk> You do when you wnat to see what modules you've got installed.
284: [10:20:51] <Pyhgk> the only difference is that 'framework', 'cms', 'mysite', 'themes' won't also be in there.
285: [10:21:02] <Pyhgk> well, cms probably will
286: [10:21:05] <Pyhgk> as it is a module.
287: [10:21:12] <simon_w> It also makes it a lot easier to secure
288: [10:21:23] <simon_w> Very few modules actually stop web requests to their non web-facing files
289: [10:21:27] <Pyhgk> but then I could make the argument to move the themes folder into the project folder.
290: [10:21:37] <Pyhgk> so you can have multiple themes per site, and have multiple sites.
291: [10:21:54] <Pyhgk> and move the modules folder into project folder too, so that it's more obvious which module belongs to what
292: [10:21:56] <Pyhgk> etcf
293: [10:22:06] <Pyhgk> it's a bit of a can of worms.
294: [10:22:26] <Pyhgk> http://silverstripe.uservoice.com/forums/251266-new-features/suggestions/6196345-introduce-nesting-grouping-of-cms-menu-sections
295: [10:22:32] <Pyhgk> this was a thing in 3.0, was it removed?
296: [10:22:39] <Pyhgk> or is there just no more exmaple to work from?
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298: [10:23:15] <kinglozzer> Pyhgk: It was removed, yeah
299: [10:23:28] <blackwings> greetings
300: [10:23:30] <blackwings> i got some questions
301: [10:23:52] <blackwings> anybody here that could answer me ?
302: [10:23:55] <blackwings> quite simple questions ^^
303: [10:24:06] <Pyhgk> blackwings: no.
304: [10:24:09] <kinglozzer> blackwings: Don't ask to ask, ask :P
305: [10:24:14] <blackwings> ok
306: [10:24:22] <blackwings> so, how close is this to cushy cms ?
307: [10:24:25] <Pyhgk> http://i.qkme.me/3qt516.jpg
308: [10:24:30] <blackwings> is it the same but more advanced?
309: [10:24:40] <Pyhgk> no idea what you're talking about, but the answer is yes.
310: [10:24:41] <zippy> cushy cms?
311: [10:24:48] <blackwings> yes
312: [10:25:10] <zippy> well, they're both free
313: [10:25:10] <blackwings> eitherway, another question is
314: [10:25:22] <blackwings> does this cms have a uploader for more images ?
315: [10:25:26] <blackwings> than one image at a time ?
316: [10:25:27] <Pyhgk> yes, you should use SilversStripe.
317: [10:25:32] <Pyhgk> blackwings: yes.
318: [10:25:34] <Pyhgk> drag and drop.
319: [10:25:44] <blackwings> yes but does it add them automatically in one swoop ?
320: [10:25:50] <Pyhgk> yes, drag and drop.
321: [10:26:09] <blackwings> and all the files are uploaded to a designated folder in ftp, right ?
322: [10:26:27] <kinglozzer> Cushy is a hosted CMS, SilverStripe isn't
323: [10:26:30] <Pyhgk> no, no ftp.
324: [10:26:36] <Pyhgk> but yes.
325: [10:27:07] <Pyhgk> in silverstripe you could also upload via ftp then make the cms scan for new images in that folder.
326: [10:27:10] <Pyhgk> (/assets)
327: [10:27:14] <blackwings> what i mean, pyhgk, does it automatically upload them to the ftp/local then automatically add the code & everything on the website ?
328: [10:27:26] <Pyhgk> no.
329: [10:27:29] <blackwings> damn
330: [10:27:34] <Pyhgk> you're asking 2 entirely different things.
331: [10:27:38] <blackwings> how so ?
332: [10:27:41] <Pyhgk> websites have NOTHING to do with FTP
333: [10:27:49] <kinglozzer> blackwings: I don't think SilverStripe is for you... you need some knowledge of PHP development to work with it
334: [10:27:50] <blackwings> well
335: [10:28:03] <Pyhgk> never have, never will. Unless you're using that horrible Jword, which FTP's files to itself.
336: [10:28:05] <blackwings> if you upload a zip files which includes images or multiple images, the iamges will be hosted onto the ftp
337: [10:28:30] <Pyhgk> if you upload anything through FTP, it will be on the FTP server where you can FTP it back again.
338: [10:28:31] <Pyhgk> yes.
339: [10:28:38] <blackwings> i only know html/css sadly
340: [10:28:39] <Pyhgk> but that's go nothing to do with a website.
341: [10:29:01] <blackwings> im trying to build a reader for a customer of mine and i need something to be able to automatically upload a entire zip or folder with many images
342: [10:29:04] <Pyhgk> blackwings: well it depends on what you're trying to achieve.
343: [10:29:12] <blackwings> which will add it automatically on the website
344: [10:29:14] <Pyhgk> then use that jword
345: [10:29:29] <blackwings> jword ?
346: [10:29:33] <Pyhgk> yes, it's a dirty word.
347: [10:29:42] <Pyhgk> starts with J ends with an asterisk.
348: [10:29:52] <blackwings> I don't quite get what you mean to say
349: [10:29:55] <Pyhgk> err, no, an exclamation mark.
350: [10:30:06] <Pyhgk> well I'm not giong to say it, it's offensive.
351: [10:30:18] <Pyhgk> kinglozzer might though.
352: [10:30:20] <blackwings> my head hurts
353: [10:30:25] <kinglozzer> blackwings: Joomla
354: [10:30:29] * kinglozzer looks over shoulder
355: [10:30:37] <Pyhgk> kinglozzer: throw some salt!
356: [10:30:39] <kinglozzer> !
357: [10:30:42] <blackwings> hmm
358: [10:30:44] <kinglozzer> Forgot the important !
359: [10:30:51] <blackwings> i never used joomla before
360: [10:30:54] <Pyhgk> kinglozzer: so does everyone else, haha.
361: [10:30:56] <blackwings> does it allow me to do what i meantioned above ?
362: [10:30:59] <Pyhgk> yes.
363: [10:31:06] <blackwings> including my own custom design ?
364: [10:31:09] <Pyhgk> yes
365: [10:31:17] <blackwings> ok sec, lemme see what i can do, i'll be back
366: [10:31:25] <blackwings> thanks for the headache pyhgk
367: [10:31:26] <Pyhgk> or ask their channel.
368: [10:31:33] <Pyhgk> they'll... maybe... help you
369: [10:32:03] <Pyhgk> it's somethnig that should never be used, but in your case with no code skill it's sadly about your only choice.
370: [10:32:13] <Pyhgk> maybe droopalz.
371: [10:32:36] <blackwings> i can code
372: [10:32:40] <blackwings> only html and css tho
373: [10:32:51] <Pyhgk> That's not code, that's markup ;)
374: [10:32:59] <blackwings> its code
375: [10:33:06] <Pyhgk> ... of a sort I guess.
376: [10:33:06] <blackwings> and i also know some c
377: [10:33:15] <blackwings> i hate it tho
378: [10:33:39] <Pyhgk> learn a real scripting language.
379: [10:33:45] <Pyhgk> it'll do you benefit in this world.
380: [10:33:54] <blackwings> its hard
381: [10:34:00] <Pyhgk> it's not as bad as C. You don't have to guard your memory, etc.
382: [10:34:05] <Pyhgk> there's no static typing.
383: [10:34:12] <blackwings> thats what im afraid of
384: [10:34:32] <Pyhgk> you hate C but are afraid of things that are similar but easier?
385: [10:34:38] <Pyhgk> I'm not sure I follow this logic.
386: [10:34:48] <Pyhgk> if you can code C you can code php.
387: [10:35:09] <blackwings> well depends on you, i find c easier than php
388: [10:35:10] <Pyhgk> but you'll need to spend more time learning object oriented paradigm, etc.
389: [10:35:29] <blackwings> eitherway, im installing joomla now
390: [10:35:33] <blackwings> goddamn 5500 files
391: [10:35:40] <Pyhgk> gawd, don't ask us about that. we know nothing.
392: [10:35:43] <Pyhgk> I just know it can.
393: [10:35:47] <Pyhgk> do what you want.
394: [10:35:55] <Pyhgk> I don't know how, or how to use it, or anything.
395: [10:36:33] <blackwings> i think its similar to wordpress
396: [10:36:59] <Pyhgk> nope
397: [10:37:31] <Pyhgk> why do images have to be in a zip?
398: [10:39:06] <blackwings> well
399: [10:39:08] <blackwings> its not required
400: [10:39:18] <blackwings> but i need something to allow me to upload multiple images
401: [10:39:27] <blackwings> and automatically add them to the website
402: [10:39:27] <Pyhgk> well yes, silverstripe can do that.
403: [10:39:34] <Pyhgk> yes.
404: [10:39:38] <blackwings> what
405: [10:39:41] <Pyhgk> but you'll need to know how to code.
406: [10:39:49] <blackwings> how so ?
407: [10:39:56] <Pyhgk> you can install silverstripe, and a gallery module, but you have to build the template.
408: [10:40:03] <Pyhgk> which is MOSTLY html.
409: [10:40:08] <blackwings> i have a template aleardy
410: [10:40:13] <blackwings> good to go
411: [10:40:13] <Pyhgk> with a few extra special tags.
412: [10:40:22] <Pyhgk> in order to get the images.
413: [10:40:29] <blackwings> hmm
414: [10:40:39] <blackwings> can you give me a link to the module
415: [10:40:41] <zippy> my god I am a derp!!! "wtf this page not working..." class CategoryPage_Controller extends Page { ....... winning!
416: [10:40:48] <Pyhgk> google, 'silverstripe image module'
417: [10:41:32] <blackwings> do i need to add those tags to each page
418: [10:41:35] <blackwings> or only the page in question
419: [10:41:37] <Pyhgk> yes
420: [10:41:42] <Pyhgk> well
421: [10:41:53] <Pyhgk> depends on how many different kinds of pages you have
422: [10:42:22] <blackwings> all html
423: [10:42:31] <Pyhgk> that's not the same thing.
424: [10:42:54] <Pyhgk> each time the layout varies, you'll need a new template.
425: [10:43:07] <blackwings> the layout will stay the same
426: [10:43:11] <blackwings> only the index is different
427: [10:43:16] <Pyhgk> then you'll need 2 or 3
428: [10:43:49] <Pyhgk> not really ANY systems out there that will not require you to do this though.
429: [10:44:00] <blackwings> ok so how do i install silverstripe
430: [10:44:11] <Pyhgk> you'll have to code at some point to transfer your automation data to the site.
431: [10:44:19] <Pyhgk> you use the installer.
432: [10:44:40] <Pyhgk> put it in a folder, visti the site.
433: [10:44:50] <blackwings> cant i just install it on the ftp
434: [10:44:51] <blackwings> ?
435: [10:44:59] <Pyhgk> well yes.
436: [10:45:17] <Pyhgk> ... you basically do the same thing as you did with that other system you said you just installed.,
437: [10:45:34] <Pyhgk> look, if you don't know how to set up a server then I'm afraid you're not really in the right place.
438: [10:46:06] <blackwings> i see, i'll do that then
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440: [10:46:27] <Pyhgk> You need PHP installed and activated on that site, you need to put the php files into that folder (ftp or whatever), once that is done, create a database, visit the site and follow the instructions.
441: [10:46:47] <blackwings> thanks
442: [10:50:03] <blackwings> oh i can automatically install silverstripe from my host
443: [10:51:14] <Pyhgk> heh, I hope that's a recent version then.
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446: [10:55:17] <Pyhgk> http://silverstripe.uservoice.com/forums/251266-new-features/suggestions/6198715-a-listbox-like-field-for-tags-taxonomy-that-has-th
447: [10:55:27] <Pyhgk> simon_w: so... like chillu/tagfield?
448: [11:01:40] <Pyhgk> anyway, I should work.
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479: [13:36:03] <Liongold> Hi. Who can help me with an error?
480: [13:36:08] <Liongold> please
481: [13:39:14] <Liongold> Zauberfisch: can you help me?
482: [13:44:18] <kinglozzer> Liongold: Just post your question rather than asking for specific people... if anyone can help, they will
483: [13:45:04] <Liongold> kinglozzer: I only mentioned Zauberfisch because I read a StackOverflow answer from him so I though he could help.
484: [13:46:11] <Liongold> My problem is that I have a function in my Page controller that check for 2 $request->getVar('parameter')s and then show something on the page depending on that. However, I'm getting a blank page.
485: [13:46:35] <Liongold> I have already updated my template to include the if state,ent.
486: [13:46:40] <Liongold> Can you help please?
487: [13:47:39] <kinglozzer> Liongold: Well, firstly make sure you're in dev mode and have display_errors on so you can see any errors rather than a blank page
488: [13:48:43] <Liongold> kinglozzer: My error.log gave: PHP Fatal error: Call to a member function getVar() on a non-object
489: [13:49:02] <kinglozzer> So $request isn't an object
490: [13:49:15] <kinglozzer> Can you paste your controller method? http://pastie.org/
491: [13:49:47] <kinglozzer> Actually I might be able to guess. Try changing $request->getVar(.... to $this->request->getVar(...
492: [13:50:38] <Liongold> kinglozzer: Could it be because I'm trying to run this in the page evetytime?
493: [13:51:41] <kinglozzer> Liongold: I'm not sure what you mean. If the above doesn't fix it, paste your controller http://pastie.org/ and I'll see if I can spot what's wrong
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495: [13:55:09] <Liongold> kinglozzer: https://gist.github.com/Liongold/ae865036c444d1215fc0
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497: [13:55:25] <Liongold> I've included both the controller and the template change.
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499: [13:56:20] <kinglozzer> Liongold: Because you're calling $Feedback in a template, there's no $request passed to it. You need to change each use of $request to $this->request like I suggested above
500: [13:56:44] <Liongold> Do I remove the $requesr parameter?
501: [13:56:52] <kinglozzer> Liongold: Yeah, it's not doing anything
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504: [14:03:33] <Liongold> kinglozzer: Tried to flush and got a Server error
505: [14:05:40] <kinglozzer> Liongold: I've added a comment with what should work: https://gist.github.com/Liongold/ae865036c444d1215fc0
506: [14:10:54] <Liongold> kinglozzer: How would a URL which triggers the function be?
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508: [14:11:30] <kinglozzer> Liongold: http://mysite.com/some-page?action=extend&status=1
509: [14:11:43] <Pyhgk> yay
510: [14:12:46] <kinglozzer> Pyhgk: Help. I'm being an idiot. How do I rebase?
511: [14:12:57] <kinglozzer> I'm doing git rebase upstream 3.1
512: [14:13:05] <kinglozzer> But it completely screws everything up
513: [14:13:20] <kinglozzer> I get shit tonnes of merge errors, then hundreds of commits added to my PR :|
514: [14:14:14] <Pyhgk> kinglozzer: nfi. I only PR'd once, and sminnee and simon_w were standing next to me to guide me therough it.
515: [14:14:39] <kinglozzer> :( shit
516: [14:14:49] <Pyhgk> yeah it's the confuse.
517: [14:14:52] <Pyhgk> man git-rebase
518: [14:14:57] <Pyhgk> git rebase help
519: [14:15:21] <Pyhgk> err, git rebase -h
520: [14:15:50] <kinglozzer> http://doc.silverstripe.org/framework/en/trunk/misc/contributing/code#rebase-your-development-branch-on-the-latest-upstream
521: [14:15:56] <kinglozzer> I'm doing exactly that :(
522: [14:16:01] <kinglozzer> Damnit.
523: [14:16:22] <Pyhgk> man git-rebase
524: [14:16:25] <Pyhgk> all the infos.
525: [14:16:41] <kinglozzer> OH WAIT SHIT THINK I HATE IT
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527: [14:16:56] <Pyhgk> Liongold: kinglozzer function blah($request) is only a thing when it's an action call.
528: [14:17:02] <kinglozzer> GIT FETCH MIGHT HELP HURRRRRR
529: [14:17:08] <Pyhgk> ie loading site/page/action
530: [14:17:18] <kinglozzer> My PR branch was hundreds of commits ahead of my copy of 3.1.... lol
531: [14:17:20] <Pyhgk> lol kinglozzer
532: [14:17:52] <Liongold> kinglozzer: When I do if $var, do I need to do with $var as well
533: [14:17:58] <Pyhgk> I think the real question is... should I go to scotland for the weekend?
534: [14:17:59] <Liongold> ?
535: [14:18:11] <Pyhgk> Liongold: make more sense please
536: [14:18:49] <Liongold> Pyhgk: In the template, I did if $var and then $status but it's not outputting.
537: [14:19:06] <Pyhgk> well $Var and $Status are two different things.
538: [14:19:08] <Liongold> In $var, I'm returning ArrayData(array('Status' => 'test'
539: [14:19:17] <Pyhgk> Var.Status
540: [14:19:54] <Liongold> Pyhgk: Without $?
541: [14:20:00] <Pyhgk> with.
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543: [14:21:34] <Liongold> Pyhgk: kinglozzer It worked. Thanks to both.
544: [14:22:22] <Fisix_AIX> Am I right to think that by making an function index() in my controller I can control the default actions of the page when another action is not called?
545: [14:22:36] <Pyhgk> yes
546: [14:23:08] <Liongold> Bye
547: [14:23:14] <Pyhgk> bye! :)
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549: [14:23:27] <Fisix_AIX> Pyhgk, Well, when I add it the template doesn't display and nothing happens, where is the documentation on it?
550: [14:23:40] <Pyhgk> Fisix_AIX: you still have to return like you do from any other action.
551: [14:23:52] <Fisix_AIX> ahh, that would be why, derp
552: [14:23:55] <Fisix_AIX> Pyhgk, Thanks
553: [14:23:58] <Pyhgk> return [];
554: [14:24:10] <Pyhgk> or return $this;
555: [14:24:50] <Pyhgk> although I think the other does smoethnig slightly different. I dunno what, but I seem to remember simon_w warning me about overriding defautl functionality or some shit. idk.
556: [14:25:00] <Pyhgk> he always says []
557: [14:25:05] <Pyhgk> so that'll do.
558: [14:26:08] <Fisix_AIX> lol well, either way it works, thanks
559: [14:26:13] <kinglozzer> Pyhgk: I still never use that array syntax.. old habits and all that
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561: [14:26:28] <Pyhgk> kinglozzer: neither do I, but I'm stil f'n stuck on 5.3
562: [14:26:43] * kinglozzer php -v
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564: [14:26:57] <kinglozzer> 5.5, but one of our servers is 5.3 I think
565: [14:27:21] <Pyhgk> in any case, SS still supports 5.3, so any core work must accomodate it.
566: [14:27:28] <Pyhgk> as should modules, technically.
567: [14:27:33] <kinglozzer> mm true
568: [14:27:37] <Pyhgk> although I hear it's going up to 5.4 with 3.2
569: [14:28:03] <kinglozzer> Unless you're simon_w using traits for your module :P
570: [14:28:22] <Pyhgk> yeah but he's smart enough to list the requirement in the readme.
571: [14:29:41] <Pyhgk> unlike most module authors
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576: [15:17:04] <Pyhgk> hmm, pretty much weekend. I give up.
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592: [16:22:59] <catcher> Hrm, how does one set CMS preview/split capabilities on a per-page basis?
593: [16:27:41] <UndefinedOffset> catcher not sure you can but i did a module that lets you choose a default for your profile :S
594: [16:28:03] <UndefinedOffset> so technically you could tap into the api's like i am
595: [16:28:22] <catcher> UndefinedOffset, that would be a helpful example, thanks. Github?
596: [16:28:45] <UndefinedOffset> ya but its under my work... one sec
597: [16:29:09] <UndefinedOffset> catcher: https://github.com/webbuilders-group/silverstripe-cmspreviewpreference
598: [16:29:30] <catcher> Ah, and this: https://github.com/hubertusanton/silverstripe-nosplit
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600: [16:43:21] <UndefinedOffset> ya i chose a preference, maybe some admins want it, but it defaults to hide
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604: [16:57:25] <scpi> Does anybody know of a more in-depth writeup on partial caching than what's in the docs?
605: [16:57:44] <scpi> I've got a weird issue that I don't understand well enough to figure out.
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608: [17:15:35] <catcher> scpi, The docs are the best resource I've found, except maybe this IRC channel. Any questions?
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617: [18:40:54] <scpi> sorry, was away for a bit
618: [18:41:12] <scpi> My problem is a big site-wide navigation menu
619: [18:41:50] <scpi> I can speed it up a whole lot by caching it as shown in the example in the docs
620: [18:43:33] <scpi> The problem I have is that I highlight the section that the user is currently in by assigning a class in the template based on $LinkingMode
621: [18:43:56] <scpi> And that gets cached, and winds up not highlighting the right section
622: [18:44:18] <scpi> But since it's inside a loop, I'm having trouble working around it
623: [18:49:26] <scpi> did that make sense, catcher?
624: [18:53:49] <scpi> ...maybe everybody went out to lunch...
625: [18:54:43] <catcher> scpi, it was you who went out for lunch!
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627: [18:54:55] <scpi> well.. yeah
628: [18:55:04] <catcher> scpi, here are your options:
629: [18:55:09] <catcher> -disable linking mode
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631: [18:55:18] <catcher> -use the linkingmode along with ID as part of your cache key
632: [18:55:28] <catcher> -uncache the sections that set linkingmode
633: [18:55:53] <catcher> Which is best depends on your use case.
634: [18:55:57] <scpi> uncaching was my first thought, but the loop seems to rule that out
635: [18:57:33] <catcher> Ah yeah, could be
636: [18:58:36] <scpi> I'm not sure how I'd grab the linkingmode to use in the id
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638: [18:58:53] <catcher> scpi, cache keys are just strings, so $linkingmode
639: [18:59:05] <scpi> but that would be the linkingmode of the current page, right?
640: [18:59:11] <catcher> Though I suppose you're talking about a nesting problem
641: [18:59:30] <scpi> I need the linkingmode of each top level page in Menu(1)
642: [19:03:23] <catcher> Do you really? Or do you just need to know which one is active?
643: [19:03:45] <scpi> http://www.sspaste.com/paste/show/53ee54acb4601
644: [19:03:52] <scpi> line 3 is my issue
645: [19:03:55] <catcher> Maybe a controller method that returns ID + boolean of active linking mode
646: [19:05:26] <catcher> Yeah, you'll need to write something to generate your key. The trick will be making that calculation slick enough to be faster than what you're trying to cache. :-P
647: [19:06:01] <catcher> scpi, If it's a real issue, you could write some js to apply the classes based on URLSeg.
648: [19:06:53] <scpi> That's a thought. It's more of an enhancement than a requirement. If the js doesn't load, it's not going to kill anybody
649: [19:07:09] <scpi> but this bigass menu is really slowing things down
650: [19:07:13] <catcher> I imagine determining LinkingMode is the most expensive part of most navs, so you're fighting a losing battle by avoiding caching it.
651: [19:08:17] <catcher> scpi, maybe benchmark with & without $LinkingMode being used. That'll tell you if partial caching can even solve your problem.
652: [19:08:23] <scpi> my only other thought was finding a way to cache it nicely, rather than not caching it at all
653: [19:09:04] <scpi> but I'll try testing it, I hadn't even thought about linkingmode being the expensive part
654: [19:10:00] <catcher> scpi, if you really need the linkingmodes of all pages (rather than a bool), consider how many cache files that will be..
655: [19:10:23] <scpi> yeah, that was my very next thought
656: [19:12:16] <catcher> And they regen every 10 minutes or so anyway. Unless you're getting a ton of hits, you're barely saving time with that many permutations.
657: [19:12:53] <scpi> well, I was also planning to increase the ttl, but I see your point
658: [19:13:18] <catcher> Yeah, that would help. Or the js solution, as silly as it is.
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678: [21:29:38] <azureRaven> How would I hide objects that's date are over a month ago?
679: [21:30:13] <azureRaven> I see the TimeDiff() function in SS and even the ago, but those don't just return numbers for me to use a > < against.
680: [21:36:20] <giarc> use date_diff()
681: [21:39:03] <giarc> or, if they are in a mysql db, compare $some_col >= now() - interval 1 month or similar
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684: [22:05:09] <azureRaven> Thanks, figured it out from there.
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692: [22:36:17] <jenniferaslan> I have a question about Userforms
693: [22:36:30] <jenniferaslan> Anybody here familiar with it?
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