#silverstripe IRC Log

IRC log for 17 July 2014

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1: [00:00:01] <Colin[pi]> Subject: "Quick question" Body: 200,000 lines <--- CLIENTS GONNA CLIENT
2: [00:00:03] <antmas> a neckbeard is earned
3: [00:00:05] <antmas> not grown
4: [00:00:15] <ss23> Colin[pi]: XD
5: [00:00:20] <simon_w|air> Colin[pi], in 72pt text?
6: [00:01:03] <Blacklite> what does -G do?
7: [00:01:33] <Stomach> Blacklite, for what command
8: [00:01:47] <Stomach> oh read above dont mind me
9: [00:01:57] <Blacklite> :)
10: [00:02:17] <Blacklite> oh sorry i was on the wrong man page
11: [00:03:08] <simon_w|air> Blacklite, sendmail
12: [00:03:22] <Blacklite> yeah, found it
13: [00:03:30] <simon_w|air> Makes the call act as a hop, rather than the start
14: [00:03:31] <Blacklite> i initially ended up here: http://www.sendmail.org/~ca/email/man/sendmail.html
15: [00:03:33] <simon_w|air> Rather useful
16: [00:03:57] <simon_w|air> 4th Berkeley Distribution April 2, 1998
17: [00:03:58] <Blacklite> as opposed to postfix's sendmail page which i assume you are using: http://www.postfix.org/sendmail.1.html
18: [00:03:59] <Blacklite> yeah
19: [00:04:00] <Blacklite> lo
20: [00:04:00] <Blacklite> lol
21: [00:04:01] <simon_w|air> Just a little out of date ;)
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24: [00:24:40] <Colin[pi]> Ryan-Toast!
25: [00:24:43] <Colin[pi]> u thar?
26: [00:24:47] <Ryan-Toast> yup
27: [00:24:59] <Colin[pi]> you know those pages that kinda animate as you scroll?
28: [00:25:09] <Ryan-Toast> yup
29: [00:25:22] <Colin[pi]> know of a good resource to get started with that?
30: [00:25:31] <Colin[pi]> like a tute or something, would like to get into it
31: [00:25:39] <Ryan-Toast> mixture f http://imakewebthings.com/jquery-waypoints/
32: [00:25:58] <Ryan-Toast> and http://daneden.github.io/animate.css/
33: [00:26:49] <Colin[pi]> cool ta
34: [00:26:59] <Ryan-Toast> example of use: http://pastebin.com/kRa6zPEB
35: [00:27:41] <Ryan-Toast> I recommend grabbing the reletive css from the animate.css that you ewant to use, as it’s a sizable library
36: [00:27:51] <Ryan-Toast> and you only need 1-2 types
37: [00:27:57] <Colin[pi]> mm I noticed :)
38: [00:28:12] <Ryan-Toast> Hope that helps :)
39: [00:28:29] <Colin[pi]> it will thanks
40: [00:30:08] <Zauberfisch> lets assume I want to denormalize my data
41: [00:30:22] <Colin[pi]> read that as "demoralise"
42: [00:30:27] <Zauberfisch> any tips on best practice
43: [00:30:30] <Zauberfisch> Colin[pi]: thanks
44: [00:30:33] <Colin[pi]> lol
45: [00:30:45] <Zauberfisch> lets say cart has products
46: [00:30:54] <Zauberfisch> and order has products
47: [00:31:34] <Zauberfisch> and order has tax classes, and discounts, ...
48: [00:32:28] <Zauberfisch> (prices, tax classes, discounts might get changed or delete, but when viewing an old item, it should display the old price, the one the customer actually paid
49: [00:32:31] <Zauberfisch> )
50: [00:32:49] <Zauberfisch> I have 3-4 things in mind:
51: [00:33:08] <Zauberfisch> 1) a versions database table for all the objects that I need denormalised
52: [00:33:32] <Zauberfisch> 2) json_encode or serialise the data into a db field on the order
53: [00:34:43] <Zauberfisch> 3) create a field for each value I need denormalised (eg have a field "TaxValue" on the OrderTable or something) (least prefferd option, as its less generic and can easily become messy)
54: [00:35:00] <antmas> 3 shouldn't be an option
55: [00:35:01] <Zauberfisch> not sure if I like 1) or either of the 2) better
56: [00:35:17] <Stomach> I like #2 best
57: [00:35:20] <Zauberfisch> yeah, 3) is really just there to make it look like I thought about this issue before asking
58: [00:35:22] <antmas> same here
59: [00:35:38] * antmas votes 2
60: [00:35:54] <Stomach> mainly because it doesnt matter what data you are saving into it, it doesnt have to rely on information being set up beforehand
61: [00:36:07] <Stomach> and doesnt need builds to function upon changes
62: [00:36:08] <Zauberfisch> 2 has the benefit of being bound to the order, which is a nice thing, and the biggest chance of avoiding data corruption
63: [00:36:21] <Zauberfisch> but 1 has the benefit of using the database and ORM properly
64: [00:37:34] <antmas> if data corruption is ever in question between options, choose the one with the least chance of it happening
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66: [00:37:57] * antmas keeps reading this guy ^^^ as Daedra
67: [00:38:11] <Zauberfisch> Daedra?
68: [00:38:19] <ss23> From TES
69: [00:38:21] <Stomach> elder scrolls
70: [00:38:28] <antmas> +1
71: [00:38:30] <Zauberfisch> ah, never played that really
72: [00:38:36] <antmas> o.O
73: [00:38:42] <Zauberfisch> yeah, idk why
74: [00:38:51] <ss23> THIS WORLD IS MERELY A REALM WHO HAS LOTS ITS DAEDRIC PRINCE
75: [00:38:53] <Dedra> Hi, i have a 2.4.11 silverstripe project, and when I want to upload an image, i get the message: File is no valid upload.
76: [00:38:59] <Zauberfisch> I loved gothic and was so hung up on it
77: [00:39:06] <Zauberfisch> and never got around to TES
78: [00:39:09] <antmas> Dedra: what type of image?
79: [00:39:25] <Dedra> I added File::$allowed_extensions[] = 'jpg'; to my _config.php but it isn't working. Is there any known bug / solution? :)
80: [00:39:28] <antmas> Dedra: and how big?
81: [00:39:41] <Dedra> all images, .jpg .png all ^^ so i added all to _config.php
82: [00:39:48] <Dedra> 20kb
83: [00:39:52] <Dedra> pretty small :)
84: [00:40:00] <antmas> hmmmm
85: [00:40:04] <Dedra> i know that it was working. But right now not hmm
86: [00:40:10] <antmas> Dedra: what are you perms on assets/uploads?
87: [00:40:14] <Zauberfisch> Dedra: how big is that site? because debugging upload in 2.x is a pain in the arse, you might be better off just upgrading to ss3
88: [00:40:18] <Dedra> i updated the CMS to close security leaks. but since then i never uploaded an image
89: [00:40:52] <Dedra> well, it was working and i didnt change anything except updating to close security leak :D so damn >_>
90: [00:41:04] <Zauberfisch> Dedra: also, check your php error log, might be that some errors shop up there
91: [00:41:11] <Dedra> I use ss3 for new projects. But wont do the work to upgrade that project haha
92: [00:41:21] <Dedra> hm, let me have a look
93: [00:41:30] <Dedra> i found this http://open.silverstripe.org/attachment/ticket/5547/2.4.0-FileUpload.diff
94: [00:41:37] <Dedra> but i have to test it
95: [00:41:38] <Zauberfisch> Dedra: did you update only the CMS folder or the framework (or sapphire) folder as well?
96: [00:41:47] <Dedra> i upgraded all
97: [00:42:06] <Dedra> i just replaced all, and put my files into the new system
98: [00:42:21] <Dedra> like mysite and themes :)
99: [00:42:44] <Zauberfisch> ok, are you using any of the following modules: DataObjectManager, Uploadify or SWFUploads?
100: [00:43:14] <Dedra> if those modules are optional, then nope
101: [00:43:18] <Dedra> if, i have to look at
102: [00:43:21] <Zauberfisch> ok
103: [00:43:22] <Dedra> *need
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105: [00:43:31] <Zauberfisch> no, then you are not using them
106: [00:43:35] <Dedra> i just used the standard ss2 version, nothing else then this
107: [00:43:45] <Dedra> and yes, it's a simple project :)
108: [00:44:07] <antmas> Dedra: yeah I would check your logs to see what might show up there
109: [00:44:21] <Dedra> But to upgrade from ss2 to ss3 i have to figure out how to do it. I found a tutorial, yes. But had no time ^^
110: [00:44:29] <Dedra> yes, let me have a look mom
111: [00:45:41] <antmas> what would be the quickest way to update the 'static' change for upgrading from 3.0 to 3.1?
112: [00:46:13] <Colin[pi]> antmas: Ctrl + R
113: [00:46:31] <antmas> Colin[pi]: :P I assumed so
114: [00:46:37] <Colin[pi]> heh
115: [00:46:43] <antmas> that would be a lot of work on our site :O
116: [00:46:44] <Colin[pi]> there is prolly a better way :P
117: [00:46:46] <Colin[pi]> mm
118: [00:46:48] <Zauberfisch> antmas: yeah, regex should do the job
119: [00:46:57] <Zauberfisch> meh
120: [00:47:00] <Colin[pi]> antmas: and Ctrl + R on disk, here be dragons
121: [00:47:07] <antmas> hehe
122: [00:47:15] <Zauberfisch> sed is the proper way
123: [00:47:22] <antmas> Can anyone comment on whether this is a good price? http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=754611304
124: [00:47:48] <antmas> I reckon I could talk it down to 6k
125: [00:48:05] <Colin[pi]> mm ok but lot of K's :\
126: [00:48:06] <Dedra> ok
127: [00:48:11] <Dedra> local, the upload works.
128: [00:48:21] <Dedra> so it's something about my server.
129: [00:48:34] <Dedra> i wanted to get the error log local, so i uploaded something. And it was working instantly.
130: [00:48:43] <Dedra> let me check the rights of the assets
131: [00:49:03] <Dedra> my assets is on 755
132: [00:49:08] <Zauberfisch> Colin[pi] antmas: but the car does look new though
133: [00:49:18] <Dedra> isn't this enough?
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135: [00:49:39] <antmas> Colin[pi]: yeah the k's im worried about
136: [00:49:43] <antmas> but it's not crazy high
137: [00:49:54] <Colin[pi]> antmas: no but generally I try not to buy more than 100k
138: [00:49:55] <antmas> Zauberfisch: yeah it looks in good nick, asking for more pics too
139: [00:50:04] <Colin[pi]> antmas: has service history?
140: [00:50:05] <Zauberfisch> Dedra: uhm, depends
141: [00:50:06] <antmas> Colin[pi]: yeah me too
142: [00:50:09] <antmas> Colin[pi]: yup
143: [00:50:10] <Zauberfisch> Dedra: 7 means all
144: [00:50:15] <Zauberfisch> Dedra: but 5 means read+execute
145: [00:50:19] <Colin[pi]> antmas: mm if it's been cared for, could be ok
146: [00:50:31] <Dedra> yes, for group and public
147: [00:50:37] <antmas> Colin[pi]: I never buy cars that are 10k either side of 100k
148: [00:50:38] <Zauberfisch> meaning if the files are not owned by the web user, it will not be write able to it
149: [00:50:40] <Dedra> but for owner its 7, so should be enough?! O.o
150: [00:50:46] <Dedra> never got deep into this rights
151: [00:50:49] <Colin[pi]> antmas: check if it's had it's timing belt changed, + sparkies
152: [00:51:11] <Zauberfisch> Dedra: well, if the webserver is also file owner, than 700 is enough
153: [00:51:12] <Dedra> it should be owned hmm
154: [00:51:15] <ss23> antmas: So, Doomsday Machine best Arch Enemy album, y/n?
155: [00:51:16] <antmas> Colin[pi]: I think that model has a cam chain
156: [00:51:26] <antmas> ss23: totes ma goats
157: [00:51:27] <Zauberfisch> if webserver is just group, then you need write perm on the 2nd digget
158: [00:51:28] <Colin[pi]> antmas: oh well that then
159: [00:51:31] <Colin[pi]> or whatever
160: [00:51:31] <Colin[pi]> :D
161: [00:51:46] <Dedra> have to check that in the settings. When i create a new folder in the backend (images), does this folder get the rights like /assets?
162: [00:52:35] <Zauberfisch> Dedra: what is the owner of the files?
163: [00:52:41] <Zauberfisch> ls -al
164: [00:53:31] <antmas> Colin[pi]: one thing I don't like about it is the headunit probably can't be replaced due to it's weird shape
165: [00:53:56] <Colin[pi]> antmas: my car's headunit can't be replaced and it's shitty shit
166: [00:54:07] <antmas> Colin[pi]: yeah that sucks
167: [00:54:15] <antmas> I don't care what it is, just aslong as I can aux in
168: [00:54:23] <Dedra> well, even with 777 it's not working
169: [00:54:33] <Dedra> so i have to check why
170: [00:54:46] <simon_w> Colin[pi], you mention now that your car has problems? :o
171: [00:55:09] <Colin[pi]> simon_w: that the stereo can't be replaced isn't that much of a problem for our trip :P
172: [00:55:33] <Zauberfisch> Dedra: so you say it works on one server but not on the other
173: [00:55:40] <Colin[pi]> oh and btw, any Rebecca Black makes it's way into the car? insta destroy
174: [00:55:41] <Zauberfisch> hmmm
175: [00:55:43] <Colin[pi]> :D
176: [00:56:02] <Dedra> it works local (xampp)
177: [00:56:07] <Dedra> but not on the vserver
178: [00:56:12] <Zauberfisch> xampp?
179: [00:56:15] <Dedra> yes. I changed the file rights to 777
180: [00:56:16] <Dedra> apache
181: [00:56:17] <Zauberfisch> you'r on windows?
182: [00:56:24] <Dedra> yes, i'm using windows
183: [00:56:35] <Zauberfisch> uhm, I doubt chmod will work there
184: [00:56:37] <Dedra> and there it's working
185: [00:56:46] <Dedra> well, it does
186: [00:56:50] <Zauberfisch> windows doesn't have the same permission system as *nix based systems
187: [00:56:58] <Dedra> but not on vserver (linux)
188: [00:57:03] <Zauberfisch> ah, I see
189: [00:57:14] <Zauberfisch> hmmm
190: [00:57:24] <Dedra> but it was working, and i didnt change anything at the vserver settings
191: [00:57:49] <Dedra> just updated ss2 to close the leak. and yeah. month later, now, i tried to upload an image, and nope :P
192: [00:57:57] <Zauberfisch> have you checked the error log yet?
193: [00:58:17] <Dedra> hmm, i have to figure where it is on the server
194: [00:58:25] <Dedra> i just used the FTP yet
195: [00:58:41] <Zauberfisch> antmas Colin[pi] Stomach thanks for the feedback earlier btw
196: [00:58:55] <simon_w> Dedra, is open_basedir set on the server?
197: [00:59:04] <Dedra> dunno
198: [00:59:12] <antmas> Zauberfisch: np
199: [00:59:17] <Dedra> like a year ago, that i adjust the server :\
200: [00:59:25] <Dedra> not that into server configuration ^^
201: [01:00:28] <Zauberfisch> Dedra: several ways to get that info: (1) check the php.ini file (2) see phpinfo() (3) ini_get('open_basedir')
202: [01:01:39] <Zauberfisch> ok, so if I want to serialise the data and save it into the database, json_encode vs serialise?
203: [01:02:05] <Dedra> dedra-sc.com/info.php
204: [01:02:09] <Zauberfisch> tending to json, because more readable than serialised data
205: [01:02:10] <Dedra> i just do the php info ^^
206: [01:02:16] <Dedra> let mee have a look
207: [01:02:34] <Zauberfisch> Dedra: yes, open_basedir is set
208: [01:02:38] <Zauberfisch> cc simon_w
209: [01:02:45] <Dedra> so, that tells you what? :)
210: [01:02:56] <antmas> Zauberfisch: depends on how much data
211: [01:03:02] <Zauberfisch> antmas: minimal
212: [01:03:12] <antmas> Zauberfisch: then I'd go with json
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215: [01:04:21] <Zauberfisch> Dedra: open_basedir is a feature that restricts php's access to folders, and that might cause the issue here. but I have no experience with upload problems and open_basedir, hopefully simon_w does
216: [01:04:46] <simon_w> Dedra, if you can, turn it off
217: [01:04:55] <Dedra> so, when I deactivate open_basedir it should work? :)
218: [01:05:01] <simon_w> Hopefully
219: [01:05:02] <Dedra> let me have a look
220: [01:05:35] <Dedra> plesk
221: [01:05:40] <Dedra> should have this wait
222: [01:07:47] <Colin[pi]> simon_w: u having some lunch before we go?
223: [01:08:04] <simon_w> Colin[pi], I'm having a kinda brunch thing now...
224: [01:08:09] <Colin[pi]> ah k :)
225: [01:08:32] <simon_w> I should get my bag ready soon too
226: [01:08:55] <antmas> Colin[pi]: simon_w totes take pics!
227: [01:09:09] <simon_w> antmas, Cam wants it videoed!
228: [01:09:33] <antmas> simon_w: do it all on a gopro and a selfie stick
229: [01:09:35] <Colin[pi]> i'll make sure I'm ss23'ing some food for the shot
230: [01:09:43] <ss23> XD
231: [01:09:45] <ss23> I swear
232: [01:09:45] <antmas> Colin[pi]: ROFL
233: [01:09:46] <ss23> Every time
234: [01:09:51] <ss23> "oh that guy in the background is just eating food"
235: [01:10:00] <Colin[pi]> lol
236: [01:10:03] <antmas> "yeah he does... the security"
237: [01:10:40] <Colin[pi]> I have an awesome t-shirt for tonight :)
238: [01:10:51] <irogue_> ohsnap
239: [01:11:03] <irogue_> it just clicked to me why Sam is up here doing a sales pitch to a potential client
240: [01:11:08] <Dedra> http://i.imgur.com/KGMjYWf.png the first what i found. But nothing about open_basedir
241: [01:11:11] <Colin[pi]> irogue_: money?
242: [01:11:13] <irogue_> *all* of our sales people are away
243: [01:11:15] <Dedra> still searching :)
244: [01:11:26] <Zauberfisch> Dedra: I don't think you can turn it off in plesk
245: [01:11:35] <Dedra> perhaps
246: [01:11:42] <antmas> irogue_: typical sales people are typical
247: [01:11:43] <Dedra> i can add custom stuff
248: [01:11:43] <antmas> ;)
249: [01:11:46] <Zauberfisch> I do remember open_basedir in plesk beeing a pain in the arse (had to use plesk once)
250: [01:11:52] <Dedra> i just dont find the input field :)
251: [01:12:13] <Dedra> i found it
252: [01:12:14] <Dedra> wait
253: [01:12:25] <simon_w> Dedra, it's not an apache module. It's a PHP setting.
254: [01:13:02] <Dedra> http://i.imgur.com/mH84af4.png
255: [01:13:07] <Dedra> i can go on the server via console
256: [01:13:13] <Dedra> and put it manually in there
257: [01:13:18] <Dedra> would be the solution :)
258: [01:13:20] <antmas> Colin[pi]: I have a feeling we should probably get long hair wigs and dress up as burgers for Welli
259: [01:13:26] <Dedra> k wait
260: [01:13:30] <Zauberfisch> ok, what DB field would I use to store the json encoded product? Text?
261: [01:13:33] <Dedra> going on server console
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263: [01:13:40] <antmas> dat german
264: [01:13:54] <Zauberfisch> hmm?
265: [01:14:11] <irogue_> "They were a gift for her 30th birthday - but three days later Morgane Lebrun's brand-new bagpipes, worth thousands of dollars, were stolen from her Rotorua home in the middle of the night."
266: [01:14:28] <simon_w> Zauberfisch, postgres and a JSON field :p
267: [01:14:30] <irogue_> bagpipes stolen? I think the prime suspects should be neighbours
268: [01:14:43] <antmas> irogue_: lol
269: [01:14:49] <Zauberfisch> simon_w: I am actually planing to go postgres
270: [01:14:49] <Colin[pi]> antmas: haha
271: [01:14:52] <Blacklite> kik
272: [01:14:54] <Blacklite> *lol
273: [01:14:59] <Zauberfisch> simon_w: but mooman says not to trust the driver yet
274: [01:15:07] <simon_w> Zauberfisch, well, not on master
275: [01:15:09] <antmas> irogue_: imagine the burglars running away
276: [01:15:15] <simon_w> Which I broke some more last night. Sigh.
277: [01:15:22] <antmas> *brrraahhhp braaahhhp brrahpppppp' with each step
278: [01:16:22] <Dedra> i put {DOCROOT}/:/dedra/assets/ into the file path. I went to the backend. Uploaded the image. And I got no "error message" anymore. But i have no image there. After the upload :P wait..
279: [01:16:56] <antmas> fuck how do you describe a bagpipe sound in text
280: [01:17:19] <Dedra> is mein englisch um die zeit so schlecht? :D
281: [01:18:54] <irogue_> Dedra: make sure the assets folder is writable?
282: [01:19:03] <Zauberfisch> simon_w: so for now, its gonna by mysql
283: [01:19:19] <Dedra> yep, i had it on 777 aswell. wasnt working. 755 should do it normally. It did in the past
284: [01:19:33] <irogue_> Zauberfisch: you should use mongodb. y'know, cos, web scale
285: [01:19:37] * irogue_ laughs maniacally
286: [01:19:53] <simon_w> Dedra, 2.4 has problems with uploads if open_basedir is on at all. Just set it to an empty value and reload apache
287: [01:20:15] <Zauberfisch> irogue_: haha, right, I'll just quickly write a silverstripe nosql adapter
288: [01:20:16] <Dedra> ok, let me try that
289: [01:20:41] <irogue_> hasn't open_basedir been killed off yet?
290: [01:21:00] <simon_w> irogue_, no :(
291: [01:21:07] <irogue_> goddamn it
292: [01:21:16] <irogue_> at least tell me hhvm didn't implement it
293: [01:21:30] <simon_w> I don't think they have
294: [01:21:45] <simon_w> They may be forced to by the whole "zend compat" thing though
295: [01:22:19] <irogue_> yeah
296: [01:22:20] <irogue_> looks like they have
297: [01:22:25] <irogue_> ugh
298: [01:22:50] <irogue_> 'features' like that which give a false sense of security while just breaking things
299: [01:22:53] <irogue_> kill them all
300: [01:23:14] <ss23> idk
301: [01:23:23] <Dedra> open_basedir = off
302: [01:23:24] <Dedra> ?
303: [01:23:24] <ss23> When I'm rooting a friends server for lulz, I normally don't bother if they have openbasedir on!
304: [01:23:40] <Dedra> or what would be the order?
305: [01:23:52] <Dedra> I can add custom php orders
306: [01:24:16] <Dedra> open_basedir = NULL
307: [01:24:17] <Dedra> ?
308: [01:24:38] <simon_w> Dedra, ;open_base = (with the semicolon) is the easiest
309: [01:24:53] <Dedra> oh, ok didnt knew i can use it like that in the ini aswell
310: [01:25:06] <Dedra> well
311: [01:25:08] <Dedra> it works :)
312: [01:25:16] <Dedra> open_basedir = NULL into the plex php settings
313: [01:25:34] <Dedra> if this wouldn't work now, I would go via the console to the linux vserver and edit the php ini manually :\
314: [01:25:45] <Dedra> thx for your help guys! :)
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316: [01:27:51] <Ryan-Toast> Holy shit, this is so good: http://www.pleasehelpmejarule.com/
317: [01:29:21] <ss23> Ryan-Toast: I don't get it at all
318: [01:29:22] <ss23> who is jarule?
319: [01:29:25] <ss23> ;_;
320: [01:29:31] <ss23> He's a rapper or criminal?
321: [01:30:32] <Ryan-Toast> why not both
322: [01:32:39] <Stomach> and this week in #silverstripe the 'why not both' meme is polling the highest its ever been, with over 9000 references
323: [01:32:40] <irogue_> generally both
324: [01:34:02] <Dedra> well, I guess i will upgrade ss2 to ss3 for this project... because the backend is only working in ff not in chrome :\
325: [01:34:25] <Dedra> don't wanted to touch (change) that project. But I guess I have to ^^
326: [01:35:08] <Dedra> Thank you very much, again :) Especially Zauberfisch & simon_w :)
327: [01:35:57] <irogue_> Dedra: beware, you may have the opposite problem with SS3 and Firefox :P
328: [01:36:02] <irogue_> i.e. works in chrome but not FF
329: [01:36:44] <Dedra> what?
330: [01:36:47] <Dedra> really O.o
331: [01:37:00] <Dedra> never thought that's possible. FF so stable ^^
332: [01:37:15] <Stomach> nah theres a javascript bug in FF at the moment :(
333: [01:37:18] <irogue_> the last few versions of firefox, the javascript engine is completely fucked
334: [01:37:21] <Dedra> before i fixed the security leak (updated ss2) it was working in both ^^
335: [01:37:27] <ss23> what the fuck @ jarule
336: [01:37:27] <Dedra> oh, i see
337: [01:37:31] <irogue_> it's not just SilverStripe, it's a bunch of javascript-heavy things
338: [01:37:31] <Dedra> didn't know that
339: [01:37:33] <ss23> how can someone be so rich and yet fuck up so bad
340: [01:37:36] <irogue_> Google Drive etc. break it too
341: [01:37:59] <simon_w> ss23, usually, those go together
342: [01:38:11] <Dedra> well, another question
343: [01:38:31] <Dedra> if i really want to upgrade from ss2 to the ss3. I don't use any custom modules. just the standard ss2 like it is download able
344: [01:38:34] <irogue_> simon_w: yep. *cough* bieber *cough*
345: [01:38:51] <Dedra> i use the "page comment" function of ss2. I heard it's not implemented on ss3 standard
346: [01:38:54] <Dedra> is that right?
347: [01:39:01] <Stomach> correct.
348: [01:39:02] <Dedra> So I would lose the comments on my pages?
349: [01:39:11] <Stomach> https://github.com/silverstripe/silverstripe-comments
350: [01:39:15] <irogue_> goody-good church boy got rich and now going downhill fast
351: [01:39:51] <Dedra> is it compatible with the ss2 comments?
352: [01:40:01] <Dedra> or do i need to export and write an importer for it?
353: [01:40:05] <irogue_> Dedra: many built-in functionality from SS2 has been moved into modules. things like comments were rarely used, especially as many people use Disqus etc.
354: [01:40:06] <Dedra> (database structure)
355: [01:40:24] <simon_w> Dedra, the module will automatically migrate
356: [01:40:33] <Dedra> ok, that's nice :)
357: [01:40:44] <Dedra> then someone already did the work ^^
358: [01:40:51] <Dedra> what's Disqus (dont know it to be honest)
359: [01:41:08] <Dedra> oh, i see
360: [01:41:10] <irogue_> Dedra: https://disqus.com/ - javascript you drop on a page and it provides a comment system
361: [01:41:12] <Dedra> Disqus.com i saw the once
362: [01:41:27] <irogue_> it's pretty good, handles antispam, has a good moderation system, etc.
363: [01:41:27] <Dedra> hmmm
364: [01:41:35] <irogue_> we generally use it instead of silverstripe-comments
365: [01:41:44] <Dedra> so means, you can create an account add the code and that's it
366: [01:41:45] <Dedra> yeah
367: [01:41:53] <Dedra> i see i see. let me bookmark it :)
368: [01:42:07] <Dedra> i have no comments in my ss2 project yet. so i dont care ^^
369: [01:42:12] <Dedra> Disqus seems good
370: [01:43:25] <Ryan-Toast> i use disqus
371: [01:43:30] <Ryan-Toast> it’s good.
372: [01:43:40] <Dedra> well, it's out sourced then. But it seems fine
373: [01:43:50] <Dedra> only if a customer wouldn't want it "out sourced"
374: [01:44:00] <Dedra> i would have a look into the ss comment system
375: [01:44:23] <Dedra> For my private project, disqus looks good ^^ thx for the info :)
376: [01:44:56] <Dedra> hmm, there is no implementation into ss3 backend?
377: [01:45:11] <Ryan-Toast> for what?
378: [01:45:17] <Dedra> Disqus
379: [01:45:25] <Ryan-Toast> there should be
380: [01:45:27] <irogue_> don't need to, it's just frontend
381: [01:45:27] <Ryan-Toast> somewhere
382: [01:45:32] <Ryan-Toast> I have one if you want just code
383: [01:45:35] <Dedra> because i think, that some people wouldn't want to go to Disqus.com and do the stuff
384: [01:46:01] <irogue_> oh, I see what you mean
385: [01:46:12] <Dedra> well, right now it's not necessary :) I have to problem to visit Disqus.com, but im pretty sure there will be someone ^^
386: [01:46:23] <irogue_> so far everyone we've used disqus with hasn't minded going to disqus.com
387: [01:46:37] <Dedra> yeah. i think so too. 99%
388: [01:46:45] <Dedra> but there is always.... some... special.... person... :D
389: [01:46:56] <Dedra> but i don't care until i met this person ^^
390: [01:47:06] <Stomach> there is this: https://github.com/silverstripesk/silverstripe-disqus
391: [01:47:07] <irogue_> the only client that was a little unsure about it was a multinational bank, so that's not too surprising :P
392: [01:47:09] <irogue_> we convinced them tho
393: [01:47:10] <Stomach> not sure if it works or not
394: [01:47:48] <Dedra> well, can try it ^^ right ? :D
395: [01:48:18] <Dedra> well, to be honest. I just worked through the ss2 tutorial. Made my page www.dedra-sc.com with SS2 and i was happy ^^
396: [01:48:52] <Dedra> i bought the book, for ss2. But had no time to read it ^^ and then ss3 came out, and i still never had the time to look into :\
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400: [01:49:36] <irogue_> Dedra: unfortunately the SS2 books are so useless now that we use them as monitor stands :P
401: [01:50:08] <Dedra> yeah
402: [01:50:13] <Ryan-Toast> Dedra: every time I see your name: http://i.imgur.com/3iCVSfA.jpg
403: [01:50:14] <Dedra> i figured that ^^
404: [01:50:25] <Dedra> haha ryan
405: [01:50:30] <Dedra> someone already TOLD me that hahaha
406: [01:50:37] <Dedra> i didnt know them :D
407: [01:50:54] <robjensen82> Hi there, where's the best place to make a suggestion about the install process?
408: [01:50:56] <Dedra> i just created the name from Deidera, and sounds like white ra, like "dead ra"
409: [01:51:10] <Dedra> deidera from "naruto" i searched for a better nickname then "homezonebenny" haha
410: [01:51:30] <Dedra> robjensen82, i would say just ask ^^
411: [01:51:43] <Dedra> there is no ss3 book out yet, right? :)
412: [01:52:09] <irogue_> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4618071/1405561824394.jpg
413: [01:52:11] <Dedra> well, for me the ss2 tutorial was good enough to handle all the stuff i needed. and the rest was "easy" to figure out
414: [01:52:39] <Dedra> haha, well its working @ irogue ^^
415: [01:52:47] <irogue_> I think about 1/2 of the office has that setup for monitor stand :P
416: [01:53:06] <Colin[pi]> irogue_: lol
417: [01:53:19] <irogue_> y'all do the same thing down there ss23? :P
418: [01:54:01] <robjensen82> Dedra, I think it would be good to provide some specific instructions around permissions
419: [01:54:14] <robjensen82> Dedra, perhaps using ACL?
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421: [01:54:19] <ss23> um
422: [01:54:22] <ss23> lol
423: [01:54:28] <ss23> We have a proper bookshelf for books :P
424: [01:54:31] <ss23> We have real monitor stands
425: [01:54:35] <irogue_> pfft
426: [01:54:40] <irogue_> you fancy people with your real monitor stands
427: [01:55:00] <irogue_> these are almost infinitely adjustable though!
428: [01:55:14] <ss23> XD
429: [01:55:29] <irogue_> this reminds me
430: [01:55:33] <irogue_> I need to email Courtney
431: [01:55:35] * Cheddam_ quit (Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…)
432: [01:55:54] <ss23> antmas: Have you listened to War Eternal from Arch Enemy?
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434: [01:55:58] <irogue_> she sent me a monitor and an HDMI but no MiniDP<>HDMI adapter
435: [01:56:04] <ss23> The new vocalist sounds more like a man than the previous one!
436: [01:56:12] <Dedra> http://pastie.org/private/j8o9rszhxuilap9j5xmteq dirty, heh? :D I just wanted to add the "popup" for the fancybox. When I add the CSS class="popup" in the editor, the content function did the rest :D
437: [01:56:20] <Dedra> dirty but it's working :D
438: [01:56:47] <Zauberfisch> man, I just love youtube
439: [01:56:59] <Zauberfisch> videos and stuff is ok, but the comments ... oh boy
440: [01:58:09] <Dedra> you can see the popup here: http://www.dedra-sc.com/tutorials/teil1/ ^^
441: [01:58:57] <Dedra> klick on image. I added the css class into the wysiwyg editor ^^ I remember, that I needed a while for this XD
442: [01:58:59] <Zauberfisch> Dedra: sorry, was away
443: [01:59:13] <Zauberfisch> reading youtube comments and getting popcorn
444: [01:59:36] <Dedra> haha, sometimes readint YT comments is like watching a movie, scary but you cant look away ^^
445: [01:59:52] <Zauberfisch> well put
446: [02:01:27] <Colin[pi]> simon_w: ima go offline in a sec and do some errands, will swing by 1-ish mmkay?
447: [02:01:39] <simon_w> Colin[pi], mkay
448: [02:01:45] <simon_w> I'm basically ready
449: [02:02:01] <Colin[pi]> sweet
450: [02:02:05] <Colin[pi]> catch you soon
451: [02:02:11] * Colin[pi] waves
452: [02:02:54] <simon_w> Aww, so far the only people to actually use the wedding website are me and Caitlin
453: [02:03:02] <irogue_> you have a wedding website?
454: [02:03:03] <irogue_> :P
455: [02:03:20] <simon_w> Yup!
456: [02:03:47] <Colin[pi]> wonder he doesnt have a wedding app
457: [02:03:49] <Colin[pi]> ;P
458: [02:03:53] <irogue_> ikr
459: [02:04:05] <Colin[pi]> laters all
460: [02:04:15] <irogue_> glhf Colin[pi]
461: [02:04:16] <simon_w> Because side-loading on iOS is effort :p
462: [02:04:41] <irogue_> magicness confuses the fuck out of me
463: [02:04:59] <simon_w> Yet you use SilverStripe! :p
464: [02:05:03] <irogue_> ikr!
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469: [02:11:08] <Stomach> lol, spam
470: [02:11:09] <Stomach> Good day!
471: [02:11:09] <Stomach> This is Grace from Depu technology Co.,LTD.do you import car electronics from china?
472: [02:11:09] <Stomach> I have studied your website:http://logs.simon.geek.nz/ and know that you run car audio & video products,
473: [02:11:35] <simon_w> But that's my website!
474: [02:11:38] <simon_w> Stealer!
475: [02:11:55] <Stomach> its mine now apparently
476: [02:12:02] <Stomach> I have a record of it on the interbutts
477: [02:12:12] <Stomach> gonna ring google and get them to take it over
478: [02:12:15] <Stomach> thats how it works, right?
479: [02:12:25] <peter_w> gday everything...I am running into a strange issue. I have a dataobject that has_one parent (due to the parent having a has_many relationship) and a has_one link to another page.....when I save the dataobject SS is saving the ParentID into the LinkID...which is wrong
480: [02:12:41] <peter_w> everyone* haha
481: [02:12:54] <simon_w> peter_w, for the has_many, define it as 'Name' => 'Class.Parent'
482: [02:13:26] <Stomach> http://doc.silverstripe.com/framework/en/topics/datamodel#has-many
483: [02:13:41] <irogue_> simon_w, peter_w: are you two related? :P
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485: [02:14:06] <Stomach> 'simon_w' => 'father.peter_w'
486: [02:14:07] <simon_w> I'm going to be related to a Peter C, don't know about a Peter W :p
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488: [02:16:23] <Ryan-Toast> simon_w: Should ahave gone with: “I’m going to be related to Peter C, but I don’t know Peter Y"
489: [02:16:56] <Dedra> well, im off. 4am :) good night / day all <3
490: [02:17:18] <irogue_> oh snap its thursday
491: [02:17:24] <irogue_> we're going to the pub after work today
492: [02:17:33] <Ryan-Toast> irogue_: YOU BET WE ARE
493: [02:17:38] <Ryan-Toast> Well, after netball
494: [02:17:41] <irogue_> lol
495: [02:17:51] <Ryan-Toast> and before netball
496: [02:17:55] <Ryan-Toast> …we drink a lot
497: [02:17:55] <peter_w> simon_w: My Link dataobject has a has_one to SiteTree...would that mean I need to add a has_many relationship to SiteTree...I have never had to do this before
498: [02:17:56] <Stomach> pub?
499: [02:18:01] <Stomach> I like pubs
500: [02:18:22] <irogue_> Stomach: Rebel Alliance are pub-ing
501: [02:18:31] <Stomach> you guys are hardcore
502: [02:18:46] <Stomach> no bosses at work tomorrow, might just pub in the morning
503: [02:18:47] <irogue_> I think someone put the pressure on DavidJ to do more social things with the team :P
504: [02:18:48] <Stomach> mwahahaha
505: [02:18:53] <ss23> Ah, someone playing Justin Beiber ft. Slipknot on the speakers
506: [02:18:58] <irogue_> cos it was random and seems to have no reason
507: [02:19:04] <irogue_> ss23: bahaha
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509: [02:19:21] <irogue_> someone on the train yesterday started cranking S Club on their cellphone
510: [02:19:23] <irogue_> and it wasn't even me!
511: [02:19:27] <ss23> XD
512: [02:19:35] <antmas> I'm back
513: [02:19:39] <antmas> what'd I miss?
514: [02:19:57] <irogue_> antmas: the pub
515: [02:20:03] <antmas> fffffff
516: [02:20:08] <antmas> I <3 pubs
517: [02:20:54] <Stomach> I think you and I would get on very well antmas
518: [02:20:57] <irogue_> antmas: looking forward to pub-ing with you then
519: [02:21:24] <irogue_> I have to hyphenate or it looks too much like something related to pubes
520: [02:21:46] <antmas> XD
521: [02:21:54] <antmas> I get on with everyone
522: [02:22:00] <antmas> which can be good and very very bad
523: [02:22:14] <peter_w> simon_w: dont worry I worked it out..cheers
524: [02:23:13] <antmas> anything happening in Auckland tuesday night?
525: [02:23:18] <antmas> correction
526: [02:23:23] <antmas> anythinng good*
527: [02:23:40] <irogue_> chu doin here?
528: [02:23:52] <antmas> irogue_: sharepoint conference
529: [02:23:54] <antmas> -_-
530: [02:23:58] <irogue_> OH GOD
531: [02:24:00] <irogue_> THAT SOUNDS HORRIBLE
532: [02:24:10] <antmas> preaching to the choir
533: [02:24:14] <irogue_> I think we should go to the pub to recover you
534: [02:24:19] <irogue_> Stomach will be down
535: [02:24:53] <Stomach> I love the pub
536: [02:25:46] <antmas> it's really hard to find the agenda
537: [02:25:48] <antmas> :(
538: [02:25:54] <antmas> but I think I'm there till 5
539: [02:26:05] <irogue_> antmas: where is it?
540: [02:26:12] <antmas> at the Langham?
541: [02:26:15] <irogue_> oh sweet
542: [02:26:26] <antmas> I'm staying at the Copthrone
543: [02:26:29] <antmas> copthorne*
544: [02:26:33] <antmas> whatever :P
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546: [02:26:40] <irogue_> which copthorne?
547: [02:26:48] <antmas> ummmm
548: [02:26:56] <antmas> the one that is about1km away from the langham :P
549: [02:26:59] <antmas> lemme check
550: [02:27:00] <irogue_> Auckland City or HarbourCity
551: [02:27:20] <antmas> auckland city
552: [02:27:51] <irogue_> sweet
553: [02:28:06] <antmas> leaving 24th at 3.30
554: [02:29:06] <irogue_> so you're here both tue and wed night?
555: [02:29:36] <antmas> yeah
556: [02:29:43] <antmas> with another dude, our web content guy
557: [02:29:57] <irogue_> sweet
558: [02:30:48] <irogue_> we'll organise something at some point then :)
559: [02:31:22] <antmas> nice
560: [02:31:36] <antmas> he leaves early on the 24th though
561: [02:31:59] <irogue_> lolwat, different flights for each of you?
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563: [02:32:32] <antmas> irogue_: yeah busy flights, plus he booked way after I did
564: [02:32:38] <irogue_> ah yep
565: [02:33:12] <antmas> and then it's wellington the following week!
566: [02:33:13] <antmas> w00t
567: [02:33:31] <irogue_> yep!
568: [02:33:34] <irogue_> pub again!
569: [02:33:38] <antmas> lol
570: [02:33:40] <antmas> yeah
571: [02:34:12] <antmas> which is 30th till 2nd
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573: [02:44:48] <Blacklite> hey, in SS 2.4 is it possible for a /dev/build to generate a "home" page?
574: [02:45:05] <Blacklite> in fact is there anything at all that would automatically generate a "home" page?
575: [02:45:15] <zippy__> yes
576: [02:45:19] <antmas> yeah there is
577: [02:45:36] <zippy__> There is a default records which checks for a Home I think it is
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579: [02:47:21] <travis-ci> [travis-ci] silverstripe/silverstripe-framework#2886 (3.1 - f16306d : Damian Mooyman): The build passed.
580: [02:47:21] <travis-ci> [travis-ci] Change view : https://github.com/silverstripe/silverstripe-framework/compare/cfe8e15da98e...f16306d843ba
581: [02:47:21] <travis-ci> [travis-ci] Build details : http://travis-ci.org/silverstripe/silverstripe-framework/builds/30133585
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583: [02:47:39] <Blacklite> ok cool, thanks for that :)
584: [02:48:01] <Blacklite> how do we stop that?
585: [02:48:36] <antmas> Blacklite: so when you delete the home page, does it get rebuilt when you dev/build?
586: [02:49:01] <Blacklite> well we had a situation about 2 weeks ago, where we did a /dev/build on a live site
587: [02:49:09] <Blacklite> and it generated a home page with the "Welcome to silverstripe" text
588: [02:49:29] <Blacklite> and then it changed the actual home page URL to /home-34
589: [02:49:47] <Blacklite> or something like that
590: [02:49:58] <Blacklite> and then there were 2 home pages for a while, until we noticed it today
591: [02:50:31] <Ryan-Toast> I stared at this for way too long: http://i.imgur.com/HIaYGzY.gif
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593: [02:51:40] <spronk> same.
594: [02:55:42] <irogue_> Blacklite: basically, make sure you have a page with the slug 'home'
595: [02:56:05] <irogue_> if necessary it can be a hidden RedirectorPage that pushes to the actual homepage if your actual homepage has a different slug
596: [02:57:36] <Stomach> or do SiteTree::set_create_default_pages(false); in your _config.php
597: [03:07:25] <Zauberfisch> Stomach: thats depreacted I believe
598: [03:07:33] <Zauberfisch> at least there is a yml config alternative now
599: [03:07:34] <Stomach> not in 2.4 :P
600: [03:07:58] <Zauberfisch> true that
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605: [03:14:40] <zippy__> Zauberfisch: is it really an alternitive… really?
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607: [03:16:18] <zippy__> 260k in minified javascript… jeapers, doesn't take much eh!
608: [03:17:00] <zippy__> jquery, bootstrap, modernizr, select2, moment and a datepicker
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610: [03:17:45] <zippy__> thinking about using mustach, but thats another 80k
611: [03:17:52] <zippy__> sorry, handlebars
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613: [03:21:05] <Blacklite> ok thanks guys
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616: [03:27:38] <travis-ci> [travis-ci] silverstripe/silverstripe-framework#2888 (3.1 - 6137220 : Mateusz U): The build passed.
617: [03:27:38] <travis-ci> [travis-ci] Change view : https://github.com/silverstripe/silverstripe-framework/compare/f16306d843ba...613722053cdf
618: [03:27:38] <travis-ci> [travis-ci] Build details : http://travis-ci.org/silverstripe/silverstripe-framework/builds/30135380
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622: [03:39:59] <antmas> awesome
623: [03:40:12] <antmas> 7pm on tuesday the sharepoint conference is having a 'vegas night'
624: [03:42:26] <zippy__> strippers?
625: [03:43:16] <antmas> it's MS sponsored so I hope not
626: [03:43:39] <zippy__> might be Balmer..
627: [03:43:41] <zippy__> http://www.1851project.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/Steve1.gif
628: [03:43:42] <ss23> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvGNj7dX_tY
629: [03:43:54] <zippy__> !!
630: [03:43:55] <ss23> THE WORDS MICRO AND SOFT DON'T APPLY TO MY PENIS
631: [03:45:43] <zippy__> http://static.designfloat.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/programmers.gif How devs talk to each other
632: [03:46:42] <ss23> lol zippy__
633: [03:46:43] <ss23> So you know
634: [03:46:47] <ss23> That infinite loop bug I had
635: [03:46:52] <ss23> The solution I was working on wont' work
636: [03:46:52] <ss23> :(
637: [03:47:02] <ss23> I was going to be like "oh no I recursed lots, return; "
638: [03:47:07] <ss23> but problem is that means it'll reutrn false
639: [03:47:12] <ss23> when it really needs to return either true or false
640: [03:47:17] <ss23> but it's impossible for the program to know whether it's true or false
641: [03:47:18] <ss23> :(
642: [03:47:34] <zippy__> http://www.designfloat.com/blog/2013/03/22/developers-jokes-gif/
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644: [03:47:51] <zippy__> ss23: return null :)
645: [03:48:07] <zippy__> there is a solution to the problem...
646: [03:48:20] <ss23> lol
647: [03:48:26] <ss23> Yeah well it's *a* solution, but it's the wrong one
648: [03:49:00] <zippy__> sorry I mean. There will be a solution to the problem, im not sure what the problem is thou, to much recursion? why..
649: [03:49:08] <antmas> zippy__: dat balmer sweat
650: [03:49:23] <zippy__> http://i.imgur.com/DX9jri0.gif - the libreSSL refactoring
651: [03:50:00] <zippy__> antmas: i know! why developers need aircon at 18
652: [03:52:35] <antmas> zippy__: those developer jokes
653: [03:52:37] <antmas> are good :LD
654: [03:52:45] <irogue_> http://devopsreactions.tumblr.com/post/86197392990/libressl-developers-every-night-before-going-to
655: [03:52:55] <antmas> code refactoring is perfect
656: [03:53:14] <antmas> irogue_: LOL
657: [03:54:11] <zippy__> and the facebook one :)
658: [03:54:19] <antmas> YES
659: [03:54:22] <antmas> I lvoe the intern code
660: [03:54:31] <antmas> or the no one notices the bugs
661: [03:55:21] <antmas> I imagine that is exactly how ss23 reacts when people ask him to update the docs
662: [03:56:13] <zippy__> yep
663: [03:57:17] <ss23> XD
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