#silverstripe IRC Log

IRC log for 29 June 2014

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57: [09:42:12] <ss23_> Fuck I can't believe I wasted all my money on that trip to Japan. http://store.steampowered.com/app/251870
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63: [10:17:54] <firefox2kx> hello. what makes a layout falling back to the design's base page-layout? 've set the start page of type Home and before flushed all, but it shows still up as it was of type Page. yes, a naked pagecontroler and layout in the right directory is there
64: [10:18:56] <willr> make sure you’ve flush=1 to update the mainfest
65: [10:19:23] <willr> and that your page in the the cms is setup correctly as a ‘Home’ and published (not just saved)
66: [10:22:12] <firefox2kx> I did both: in cms left column shows page type Home, in right column it shows the not yet edited Layout "Page"
67: [10:22:41] <guzzlefry> ss23_: Did you even get a pair of beautiful, young sisters as tour guides?
68: [10:23:04] <guzzlefry> because you do in that game apparently :P
69: [10:27:14] <willr> firefox2kx can you post your code for the Home pagetype? Make sure everythings named the same as well
70: [10:28:32] <firefox2kx> I'll give you the links in a sec
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75: [10:32:48] <firefox2kx> http://www.timo-braun.net/temp/Home.ss.txt (Lays in /themes/{themename}/template/Layout/)
76: [10:33:43] <firefox2kx> http://www.timo-braun.net/temp/Home.php.txt (Lays here /mysite/code/Home.php)
77: [10:34:51] <ss23_> guzzlefry: No! I wish I had've :O
78: [10:34:55] <firefox2kx> I'm just in the step of cutting the html-template into pieces feeding it to the website
79: [10:35:50] <firefox2kx> Shall I publish it to the live server to let you see more?
80: [10:38:54] <firefox2kx> I cout even give you a teamviewer session if needed
81: [10:40:29] <firefox2kx> -t + ld
82: [10:41:27] <willr> ‘Well you have the controller and model correct, so that’s all I would know to check. If you’ve flushed then should be good to go
83: [10:41:58] <willr> make sure your webserver has permission to view the file in question
84: [10:43:34] <firefox2kx> I've done a chmod -Rf 775 ./* and a chown -Rf apache:root ./* at my local machine in the document root ...
85: [10:44:50] <firefox2kx> and the page type is listed in database tables and records and in cms
86: [10:47:06] <firefox2kx> mh .. strange .. but the solution often is so simple if found at last
87: [10:52:16] <willr> Check your template mainfest has the template, so you should have silverstripe-cache folder at the root or in your /tmp/ dir, find that and look for the templatemainfest folder
88: [10:52:57] <firefox2kx> it's in silverstripe-cache in the doc-root
89: [10:54:28] <willr> You can use a oneliner to output the cache contents in a formatted list https://gist.github.com/wilr/b688b612af3f6f08b1bd
90: [10:55:09] <willr> you should see an entry in here for Home
91: [10:59:53] <firefox2kx> There is no entry for Home ^^
92: [11:05:37] <firefox2kx> and the first directory in cache-folder is called 'unknown' if that helps out more
93: [11:06:11] <willr> well if it’s not in that file then your ?flush=1 hasn’t worked or you need to try ?flush=all
94: [11:06:30] <willr> unless it’s in the manifest the template won’t be displayed
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96: [11:12:23] <firefox2kx> the /dev/build?flush=all runs with no errors, everything black. _config.php is correctly processed and also it loads as wanted the _config.dev.php where it says Director::set_environment_type("dev");
97: [11:18:30] <willr> then some other reason why the template isn’t being included. Make sure the file is in the right path
98: [11:20:14] <willr> Gotta run! Double check you put the files in the right place, and all fails that. Try with a fresh install again and retrace your steps
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101: [11:34:50] <firefox2kx> just to let you all know: deleting the cache-folder and flushing has done the magic
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107: [12:30:15] <silver_> is it possible to generate dynmically a new ModelAdmin entry ?
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109: [12:30:35] <Guest63473> is it possible to generate dynmically a new ModelAdmin entry ?
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111: [14:45:55] <firefox2kx> One nice day I think I'll blow up every computer. Why the f**** have I every little hard to handle error that can occure each time I work with silver? Now it's the stupid cannot login problem for hours, then it's perhaps again, that it won't flush.. it's no fun at all. everything could have been completed long ago
112: [14:48:32] <Zauberfisch> firefox2kx: sounds like you have a bad system setup
113: [14:57:45] <firefox2kx> perhaps. but on 2 own systems and on 2 foreign systems?? I mean what I set up myself works mostly xD
114: [14:58:13] <Zauberfisch> hmmm
115: [14:58:24] <Zauberfisch> then perhaps you are doing something terribly wrong
116: [14:59:06] <firefox2kx> log in if you dare and have fun ^^
117: [15:00:02] <Zauberfisch> also, note that /?flush=1 will flush templates, manifest and config
118: [15:00:29] <Zauberfisch> /dev/build?flush=1 will fush manifest and config and rebuild the database, but it will NOT flush templates
119: [15:01:36] <firefox2kx> eventually you could check some of the config with directly accessing? at the moment locally everything works fine and I want to check in admin on remote, if the pagetype is set up correctly what I don't think so, but cannot login there
120: [15:02:27] <Zauberfisch> config includes yml files and php private statics
121: [15:03:22] <Zauberfisch> so you can't log into the cms on the remote server?
122: [15:03:31] <Zauberfisch> perhaps there is no user? :O
123: [15:03:56] <firefox2kx> in _config/config.yml theres only the name fsvo-jungs.de and for the viewer the template in
124: [15:04:09] <firefox2kx> there is an user ^^
125: [15:04:28] <Zauberfisch> what does that have to do with the logn?
126: [15:04:34] <Zauberfisch> (the thing in the config
127: [15:04:35] <Zauberfisch> )
128: [15:05:07] <firefox2kx> then I've cot a _config.php, a _config.dev.php with special switches and now a _ss_env... perhaps everything should be in there and not in the _config.php? could that be a trick?
129: [15:05:11] <Zauberfisch> firefox2kx: then most likely one of the following things is the case: you have configured something that changes how login work
130: [15:05:17] <Zauberfisch> or, the user does not exist
131: [15:05:24] <Zauberfisch> or the user credentials are wrong
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133: [15:05:57] <Zauberfisch> firefox2kx: _config.dev.php no idea if that file is even used. I hear that name for the first time ever
134: [15:06:49] <firefox2kx> it is used, because I told it to _config.php. any config says the identical user/pass, that I insert and I get the message "You are logged in as..." but the cms is not there
135: [15:07:16] <Zauberfisch> ...
136: [15:07:48] <firefox2kx> I've had this before and solved it with more filerights, but this is not the solution for now
137: [15:08:20] <Zauberfisch> that means login did work, but you are either direcetly accessing Security or you are accessing admin but don't have permission to do so
138: [15:08:31] <Zauberfisch> does that message appear if you visit /admin ?
139: [15:08:41] <firefox2kx> uhm yes
140: [15:09:01] <Zauberfisch> how have you created your user?
141: [15:09:40] <firefox2kx> it's the standarduser in config. I have not created a user at the moment
142: [15:09:50] <Zauberfisch> paste your config files
143: [15:09:55] <Zauberfisch> _config
144: [15:09:58] <Zauberfisch> _config.dev
145: [15:10:02] <Zauberfisch> _ss_environment.php
146: [15:10:40] <firefox2kx> would a .gz be more helpful?
147: [15:11:03] <Zauberfisch> no. I'd prefer if you put the contents of the 3 files on some paste site
148: [15:11:09] <Zauberfisch> pastebin.com or something
149: [15:16:24] <firefox2kx> http://pastebin.com/rwYhmmSq
150: [15:16:40] <firefox2kx> logins/passwords are x'ed
151: [15:43:12] <firefox2kx> gone?
152: [15:48:47] <firefox2kx> now I can login, but I have not changed the "liveserver"
153: [15:59:22] <Zauberfisch> firefox2kx: hmmm
154: [15:59:24] <firefox2kx> I think it's always the file rights.. now the "Home" Pagetype is again not written to manifest
155: [15:59:26] <Zauberfisch> yeah, was away
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158: [16:02:54] <Zauberfisch> firefox2kx: hmm. the only thing I noticed in your config files is that you have duplicate settings
159: [16:03:40] <firefox2kx> that's right. I used the _ss_environment for be able to work on the console
160: [16:03:41] <Zauberfisch> many of the things in your _config.php will be overwritten by the settings in _ss_environment.php
161: [16:04:59] <firefox2kx> okay, that means we perhaps shall just talk about the right way to do it?
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163: [16:06:51] <firefox2kx> I use git to keep the things and deploy it from local virtualbox to the remote server. Having a pull-shellscript that pulls and sets rights and flushes
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165: [16:08:44] <firefox2kx> there is the first problem: when it flushes, in cache folder is a folder produced with the user triggert the flush, in this case "root" and even the folder templatemanifest is empty
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168: [16:34:25] <Zauberfisch> firefox2kx: _ss_environment.php is the right way to do it
169: [16:34:42] <Zauberfisch> firefox2kx: uh, running 2 different users might be a problem. not sure.
170: [16:34:52] <Zauberfisch> in my current setup both, cli and www run under the same user
171: [16:57:44] <firefox2kx> so. tell you what: I've installed sudo and added to the script the sudo command, that flushes now as www-data. that's fine now. that means on every single deploy command automatically the rights are correctly set 755 to folders, 644 to files
172: [17:03:47] <firefox2kx> I'm nevertheless still concerned about my manifest: it says page => themes => fsvoj (my template) => main & Layout. No word about my Home-Pagetype in this variable, what could be the information about why this pagetype after save it to a page always changes back to Page automatically.
173: [17:05:10] <Zauberfisch> uhm
174: [17:05:20] <firefox2kx> There is a variable home => themes => fsvoj => Layout which for sure tells the cms to put it into the dropdownswitch. ... ... ... Or do you think it is not supposed to appear under page => themes??
175: [17:05:31] <Zauberfisch> templates can not affect Page Types
176: [17:05:36] <Zauberfisch> Page Types use templates
177: [17:05:40] <Zauberfisch> not the other way areound
178: [17:05:43] <Zauberfisch> templates are just views
179: [17:05:53] <firefox2kx> sorry my mistake explaining
180: [17:05:54] <Zauberfisch> so even if you delete all views, your page types will still work
181: [17:07:23] <firefox2kx> on my local .. what i've done .. it everything works. Just after deploying I have the problem on live that's what I don't understand
182: [17:07:42] <Zauberfisch> if a page type is not working, then the problem is in php
183: [17:08:12] <Zauberfisch> firefox2kx: wait what?
184: [17:08:31] <Zauberfisch> I am not sure you understand what themes and templates are
185: [17:08:43] <Zauberfisch> "There is a variable home => themes => fsvoj => Layout which for sure tells the cms to put it into the dropdownswitch" I have no idea what you are saying
186: [17:09:04] <firefox2kx> when I said template I meant theme
187: [17:09:30] <firefox2kx> in the manifest i meant
188: [17:09:57] <Zauberfisch> Themes: a theme is a collection of .ss/.css/.js/.... files, in the CMS under "Settings" you can select the theme. which is the name of the folder
189: [17:10:02] <Zauberfisch> so eg your folder structure:
190: [17:10:10] <Zauberfisch> themes/
191: [17:10:17] <firefox2kx> look: the pagetype appears to select in the cms, but resets to Page when save&published
192: [17:10:17] <Zauberfisch> themes/simple/
193: [17:10:21] <Zauberfisch> themes/foo/
194: [17:10:24] <Zauberfisch> themes/bar/
195: [17:10:34] <Zauberfisch> then you will have a dropdown with "simple", "foo", "bar"
196: [17:10:39] <firefox2kx> right, I can follow you =)
197: [17:10:55] <Zauberfisch> templates are the .ss files
198: [17:11:11] <Zauberfisch> each theme can have many templates
199: [17:11:34] <Zauberfisch> templates them self have no effect what so ever, they do not change anything in the CMS, nor do they perform any actions themself
200: [17:12:23] <Zauberfisch> the ONLY thing that happens with templates is: SSViewer will find them, and use them to render objects
201: [17:12:55] <Zauberfisch> so you can create a hundret templates, it will not change a thing if you don't write some php code somewhere that uses those templates
202: [17:13:44] <Zauberfisch> now, to the dropdown on each Page in the CMS. the list of pagetypes is generated from all Subclasses of SiteTree (php). So eg: Page
203: [17:13:46] <firefox2kx> I know. forgive me use the wrong words. I've with my own version of a self-written cms for just from the beginning and a template was then for me the whole thing zipped, that's why I sometimes say template when I mean Theme
204: [17:14:40] <Zauberfisch> btw, by default, you can only have a single one theme
205: [17:14:49] <Zauberfisch> you can not have different pages with different themes.
206: [17:15:34] <firefox2kx> ah okay. and when I save the pagetype and something does not work, so it falls back to the main: Page
207: [17:15:59] <Zauberfisch> uhm
208: [17:16:00] <Zauberfisch> no
209: [17:16:05] <Zauberfisch> that are page types, not themes
210: [17:16:11] <Zauberfisch> page types have NOTHING to do with themes
211: [17:16:24] <firefox2kx> But I just speak about the page types
212: [17:16:46] <Zauberfisch> then call them pagetypes and stop speaking about themes :P
213: [17:17:37] <firefox2kx> that's because you explained the whole structure to me and I've told how I dunno it all the time
214: [17:18:31] <Zauberfisch> anyway, so page types ... hmmm ... saving should work
215: [17:18:49] <firefox2kx> shall I call you on your mobile or somewhat, that one is just becoming some funny. then we can open remote desktop and everything is fine. think you're german like me ^^
216: [17:18:50] <Zauberfisch> if the page type does not change, then the saving probaly didn''t work
217: [17:18:59] <firefox2kx> saving does not work ^^
218: [17:19:29] <Zauberfisch> meh, I don't usualy do phone
219: [17:19:41] <Zauberfisch> firefox2kx: see the network console what happens
220: [17:20:17] <Zauberfisch> (open the network console and then press save)
221: [17:20:40] <Zauberfisch> in the network console of your browser you might see an error
222: [17:20:44] <firefox2kx> network console .. in the browser inspector?
223: [17:20:52] <Zauberfisch> yes
224: [17:21:00] <Zauberfisch> firebug, or chrome dev tools, or what ever
225: [17:21:42] <firefox2kx> status 200 ok
226: [17:22:13] <firefox2kx> - /admin/pages/settings, method post
227: [17:22:41] <firefox2kx> initiator jquery.js?m=1404049002:8240
228: [17:27:25] <Zauberfisch> whats the content of the request?
229: [17:27:29] <Zauberfisch> ah, response
230: [17:27:42] <Zauberfisch> whats the content of the response?
231: [17:28:08] <Zauberfisch> perhaps its a php error but still returns 200 OK
232: [17:28:41] <firefox2kx> -.- ?????? EMPTY
233: [17:28:52] <firefox2kx> should the response be empty?
234: [17:28:54] <Zauberfisch> display_errors off?
235: [17:29:02] <Zauberfisch> no, it should not
236: [17:29:21] <Zauberfisch> make sure you have display_errors on and error_reporting as well
237: [17:29:40] <Zauberfisch> also, note that setting display_errors in _config.php does NOT work
238: [17:29:51] <Zauberfisch> you have to set it in either of those places:
239: [17:29:53] <Zauberfisch> - php.ini
240: [17:29:56] <Zauberfisch> - .htaccess
241: [17:30:04] <Zauberfisch> - _ss_environment.php
242: [17:30:19] <firefox2kx> why in htaccess?
243: [17:30:28] <Zauberfisch> why not?
244: [17:30:31] <firefox2kx> and how
245: [17:31:06] <firefox2kx> where to add in htaccess
246: [17:31:12] <Zauberfisch> many webhosting companies don't allow you to modify the php.ini, so setting php config in .httaccess is often a good alternative
247: [17:31:23] <firefox2kx> i've got a root server
248: [17:31:54] <firefox2kx> with whatever my admin once installed is called to generate customer-accounts *look it just up wait*
249: [17:32:27] <firefox2kx> froxlor on it. have full access to anything
250: [17:32:31] <Zauberfisch> plesk, c-panel, webmin, virtualmin?
251: [17:32:38] <Zauberfisch> oh, never heard of that
252: [17:32:45] <Zauberfisch> anyway, shouldn't matter
253: [17:33:12] <Zauberfisch> well, all 3 options work (if your server allows it. some servers are also configured to not allow it in some places)
254: [17:33:30] <Zauberfisch> I just always set it in my _ss_environment.php
255: [17:33:36] <firefox2kx> formerly known as SysCP
256: [17:33:39] <Zauberfisch> thats the easiest way, because it works almost everywhere
257: [17:34:08] <Zauberfisch> I just have that line: "ini_set('display_errors', 1);" in my _ss_environment.php
258: [17:34:15] <firefox2kx> thx
259: [17:35:14] <Zauberfisch> if you prefer .htaccess though, you can try "php_flag display_errors on"
260: [17:36:11] <firefox2kx> written it down but used _ss_env
261: [17:37:14] <firefox2kx> ok save&publish ... Trommelwirbel .. nothing - no response
262: [17:37:30] <Zauberfisch> _ss_env is loaded?
263: [17:37:50] <Zauberfisch> put a die("test") inside the _ss_env just to make sure it is used
264: [17:37:55] <firefox2kx> hope so? *testing*
265: [17:38:29] <firefox2kx> yes it's loaded
266: [17:38:42] <Zauberfisch> hmmm
267: [17:38:42] <Zauberfisch> weird
268: [17:38:52] <firefox2kx> posted it to the end and it was shown
269: [17:39:08] <Zauberfisch> is it just one page type that does not work or all of them?
270: [17:43:46] <firefox2kx> I've just written this second page type but you are right. when I switch to virtual page, it does not save as well. genious, I would never find this out without your hint
271: [17:46:03] <firefox2kx> that would mean, I needn't search in my controller or .ss-tpl
272: [17:50:24] <firefox2kx> cool: even if I add something to the content, it won't save! that's a big step further
273: [17:52:02] <firefox2kx> nothing edited in cms saves and I even have just been logged of although I've done something in cms
274: [17:52:22] <firefox2kx> mh what could this be now?!?
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279: [18:18:29] <firefox2kx> so now what :-(
280: [18:37:23] <Zauberfisch> firefox2kx: ".ss-tpl" - if you are refering to templates here
281: [18:37:28] <Zauberfisch> again, they have NOTHING to do with it
282: [18:37:47] <Zauberfisch> also, the controler, not really. highly unlikely
283: [18:37:59] <Zauberfisch> if there is something wrong with your code, then it probably is in the model
284: [18:38:10] <Zauberfisch> but I wouldn't rule out miss configured server yet
285: [18:38:19] <Zauberfisch> have you installed silverstripe with the silverstripe installer?
286: [18:38:39] <Zauberfisch> or just deployed to the server?
287: [18:59:37] <firefox2kx> I used composer
288: [19:10:02] <Zauberfisch> ok, usually that is a good thing
289: [19:10:12] <Zauberfisch> but for this time, can you try using the installer?
290: [19:10:36] <Zauberfisch> I am guessing there is something not configured correctly to work for silverstripe
291: [19:10:49] <Zauberfisch> and the installer checks for almost all things
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293: [19:11:01] <firefox2kx> php version perhaps?
294: [19:12:28] <firefox2kx> PHP version is 5.3.3-7+squeeze19
295: [19:19:07] <Zauberfisch> * @package SwipeStripe\Order
296: [19:19:18] <Zauberfisch> oh, my mistake, did not mean to paste that here
297: [19:19:40] <Zauberfisch> 5.3.3 is ok
298: [19:19:58] <Zauberfisch> again, I recommend trying the installer
299: [19:20:14] <Zauberfisch> create a subfolder and put the installer in there or something
300: [19:23:24] <firefox2kx> without fresh installing? just call the installer..
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303: [19:48:22] <firefox2kx> Genious! There seems indeed silverstripe to feel misconfigured in its database
304: [19:55:03] <firefox2kx> although it seems to be configured in the files
305: [19:55:09] <firefox2kx> interesting...
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311: [20:46:47] <firefox2kx> @Zauberfisch: So: Deleted _config.dev.php, reset _config.php to installationdefault, re-checked _ss_environment.php, copied install.php into the folder, ran it, switched the lever to "use environment to install"and ... magic: now everything works as it should. Finally. Thanks a lot
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326: [21:32:16] <an_Eskimo> Anybody know of a fix for html tags (<strong></strong> tags to be specific) being replaced by * using $Content.FirstParagraph?
327: [21:35:03] <Ryan-Toast> .XML at the end?
328: [21:35:14] <Ryan-Toast> maybe./
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330: [21:37:13] <an_Eskimo> I thought that too initially, apparently this doesn't seem to help.
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333: [21:48:52] <an_Eskimo> Ryan-Toast: Apparently, all you need to do is $Content.FirstParagraph(html) and this fixes it from what I can tell.
334: [21:49:37] <Ryan-Toast> Oh, nice.
335: [21:49:47] <Ryan-Toast> I didn’t know about that.
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342: [22:46:09] <simon_w> Morning Colin[pi]
343: [22:46:34] <Colin[pi]> hey hey simon_w
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345: [22:49:12] <simon_w> It's a work from the couch day!
346: [22:49:26] <willr> slack
347: [22:51:46] <Colin[pi]> simon_w: not a work from the bed day? I AM DISAPPOINT
348: [22:54:17] <simon_w> Caitlin was still in there, so no chance of me getting breakfast if I stayed :(
349: [22:54:41] <Colin[pi]> what? you mean she didn't bring you breakfast in bed?
350: [22:58:17] <simon_w> I know! We're both too lazy for that
351: [23:01:26] <Colin[pi]> you know that feel when you use a site that is absolute shit? I think as a dev you rage harder
352: [23:01:59] <Colin[pi]> I had to register my son for holiday care... through the provider's site.. first I tried on the ipad
353: [23:02:02] <Ryan-Toast> Colin[pi]: Especially if you’re the onbe who made it :P
354: [23:02:02] <Colin[pi]> big mistake
355: [23:02:10] <Colin[pi]> as the summary page didnt work on the ipad
356: [23:02:18] <Colin[pi]> so I couldn't proceed and lost all my session
357: [23:02:21] <Colin[pi]> started again on the mac
358: [23:02:27] <Colin[pi]> summary worked, yes!
359: [23:02:42] <Colin[pi]> and then I had several back and forth validation errors which were total BS
360: [23:02:50] <Colin[pi]> then it said YUO NEED TO ATTACH DOCUMENTS
361: [23:02:58] <Colin[pi]> I go to the documents tab, it says NO DOCUMENTS REQUIRED
362: [23:03:00] <Colin[pi]> FUCK
363: [23:03:22] <Colin[pi]> then I go to register, finally it proceeds, and redirects me to the register/login page - the same as the beginning
364: [23:03:29] <Colin[pi]> NO messages, NO confirmation, NOTHING
365: [23:03:36] <Colin[pi]> I do this several times, same result
366: [23:03:52] <Colin[pi]> meanwhile, they are sending me a registration email with a new ID each time I register
367: [23:04:02] <Colin[pi]> but show NO message on the site to indicate that it was successful
368: [23:04:03] <Colin[pi]> PIECE
369: [23:04:04] <Colin[pi]> OF
370: [23:04:06] <Colin[pi]> FUCKING
371: [23:04:06] <Colin[pi]> SHIT
372: [23:05:01] <Colin[pi]> I said to my gf I want to kick whoever developed this in the balls
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376: [23:30:35] <Ryan-Toast> Colin[pi]: http://i.imgur.com/NYJux.png
377: [23:36:10] <Colin[pi]> lolol pretty much that Ryan-Toast
378: [23:36:48] <Colin[pi]> oh shit I need to write on my blog again.. dafuq will I write about this time
379: [23:44:18] <simon_w> Dem womanz
380: [23:44:47] <Stomach> write about how you love candy
381: [23:48:24] <Colin[pi]> Stomach: hmmm, tempting, very tempting
382: [23:56:34] <Zauberfisch> simon_w: you poked me the other day about something
383: [23:56:40] <Zauberfisch> I can't remember what it was
384: [23:56:49] <Zauberfisch> I only remember I was not sure what you meant by it
385: [23:56:54] <simon_w> Zauberfisch, Simon Welsh pushed to Simon Welsh / SilverStripe Framework, Simon Welsh / XHP Viewer and Simon Welsh / XHP Loader
386: [23:56:59] <Zauberfisch> ah, right
387: [23:57:01] <Zauberfisch> that was it
388: [23:57:02] <simon_w> Zauberfisch, since you can't star them :p
389: [23:57:10] <Zauberfisch> ah, haha :D
390: [23:57:19] <Zauberfisch> good, I like that
391: [23:57:49] <Zauberfisch> simon_w: well, I meanwhile have actually started to fix my workflow
392: [23:57:58] <simon_w> Zauberfisch, good
393: [23:58:16] <Zauberfisch> or at least partially
394: [23:58:20] <Zauberfisch> small steps, you know

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