#silverstripe IRC Log

IRC log for 11 May 2014

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1: [00:09:23] <Colin[pi]> belated hello guci0
2: [00:18:47] <simon_w|air> I guess I should start building our wedding website
3: [00:19:30] <Colin[pi]> simon_w|air: hurry up!
4: [00:19:41] <simon_w|air> Nag nag nag!
5: [00:19:45] <Colin[pi]> I expect it'll be finished by noon
6: [00:19:53] <simon_w|air> I spent last week getting the modules built!
7: [00:20:31] <Colin[pi]> and when's the app ready??
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10: [00:27:52] <simon_w|air> Never!
11: [00:31:10] <Colin[pi]> :C
12: [00:33:44] <Colin[pi]> call yourself a developer :P
13: [00:47:20] <Colin[pi]> simon_w|air: can you smell my bread cooking?
14: [00:47:31] <simon_w|air> Colin[pi], nope, but I can smell chocolate
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16: [00:47:59] <Colin[pi]> simon_w|air: hmm nope don't think that is me
17: [00:48:05] <simon_w|air> Also, time to update my CV again
18: [00:48:15] <Colin[pi]> simon_w|air: didn't you just do that?
19: [00:48:26] <simon_w|air> I did it about two months ago, yeah
20: [00:48:33] <simon_w|air> But I've been flown out to Facebook since then!
21: [00:48:59] <Colin[pi]> oh I see, namedropping ;P
22: [00:49:52] <simon_w|air> Yeah. Also, removing my NZ phone number :p
23: [00:50:07] <Colin[pi]> yeah that's kinda important
24: [00:51:06] <Colin[pi]> did you have your meeting with the recruiters?
25: [00:51:38] <simon_w|air> Yeah, and got an interview from that on Thursday
26: [00:53:12] <Colin[pi]> ooh, good lucck
27: [00:53:15] <Colin[pi]> *luck
28: [00:53:39] <simon_w|air> Main problem is it's in Kingston :p
29: [00:53:43] <simon_w|air> (Also, uses Angular)
30: [00:54:54] <Colin[pi]> simon_w|air: eh, you could get a bus there in like 1.5 hours ;P
31: [00:56:33] <Colin[pi]> actually 46 min according to google
32: [00:57:12] <simon_w|air> Yeah, faster to bike from here
33: [00:57:47] <simon_w|air> It's a 300 to Civic, than a 200 out to Kingston
34: [00:57:57] <simon_w|air> (Same with the potential one in Mitchell)
35: [00:59:00] <Colin[pi]> Google says there's a direct one from Lyons?
36: [00:59:21] <simon_w|air> That'd be one once an hour, if you're lucky, though?
37: [01:02:07] <Colin[pi]> simon_w|air: http://goo.gl/CMyoQt
38: [01:02:24] <Colin[pi]> some walking involved ;P
39: [01:03:15] <simon_w|air> Catch the 5, and the walking's all on this side :p
40: [01:04:30] <simon_w|air> Colin[pi], I'm a lot closer to Woden than that route shows
41: [01:04:37] <Colin[pi]> ah k
42: [01:04:52] <Colin[pi]> I just put in "Lyons" :D
43: [01:06:26] <simon_w|air> https://goo.gl/maps/X3kAM
44: [01:06:43] <simon_w|air> Man, finding that link is harder than figuring out how to get the actual list of directions
45: [01:07:03] <Colin[pi]> I didn't! I went to goo.gl directly lol
46: [01:07:21] <simon_w|air> You're still on the old maps?
47: [01:07:32] <Colin[pi]> no new one, I see... "Share and embed map"
48: [01:07:36] <Colin[pi]> just found it now
49: [01:08:15] <simon_w|air> Yeah
50: [01:08:21] <simon_w|air> Not making it obvious at all
51: [01:09:37] <Colin[pi]> is it that hard to add a link icon on the screen? :\
52: [01:14:58] <simon_w|air> Apparently so
53: [01:38:58] <Pyromanik> "When will it be ready?" "Never!" "And you call yourself a developer" - dude, that's pretty much an exact definition. What are you thinking Colin[pi]?
54: [01:39:06] <Colin[pi]> Pyromanik: lol
55: [01:39:08] <Colin[pi]> all too true
56: [01:39:29] <Pyromanik> Good nigh
57: [01:39:30] <Pyromanik> t
58: [01:40:02] <Colin[pi]> ah Pyromanik, always short and sweet
59: [01:42:29] <simon_w|air> Well, he is short
60: [01:53:34] <simon_w|air> Yay, another job applied for. This one at ANU.
61: [01:58:57] <Colin[pi]> simon_w|air: nice
62: [02:01:02] <simon_w|air> 64 bytes from git.simon.geek.nz (10.130.234.94): icmp_req=1 ttl=64 time=0.547 ms
63: [02:01:02] <simon_w|air> Mmm, nice
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72: [03:13:01] <simon_w|air> EXCEPTION PERCENTAGE
73: [03:13:02] <simon_w|air> 204.174%
74: [03:13:04] <simon_w|air> Lol, github
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83: [04:59:04] <j9x> hello everyone, i'm currently checking out composer and wonder if it's possible to create my own project including 'theme', 'mysite' folder and a 'composer.json' file that will populate the 'index.php' and '.htaccess' files in the root. so far everything i've seen uses 'composer create-project silverstripe/installer'
84: [05:00:13] <j9x> this question in the forum is related: http://www.silverstripe.org/general-questions/show/24992#post325293 but i really don't like the suggestion that follows as this would mean copying the installer code
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87: [07:37:49] <Colin[pi]> simon_w!
88: [07:37:57] <simon_w> Colin[pi]!
89: [07:38:05] <Colin[pi]> zomg u are there <3
90: [07:38:24] <simon_w> I'm playing Minecraft on simon_w|air!
91: [07:38:30] <Colin[pi]> :o
92: [07:38:39] <Giganaire> are you two canberra besties now?
93: [07:38:40] <Colin[pi]> I tried that on my MBP and nearly melted it!
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95: [07:39:06] <Giganaire> such java
96: [07:39:09] <Giganaire> many resource hog
97: [07:39:13] <Colin[pi]> Giganaire: I'd have to compete with his almost-missus!
98: [07:42:49] <Colin[pi]> simon_w: um, I have a method in a page class that needs to check something from it's controller (well, actually a request param), what's the best way for this?
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100: [07:44:00] <Colin[pi]> getting the current controller seems hackish
101: [07:44:00] <simon_w> Colin[pi], Controller::curr()->getRequest()->param('Blah')
102: [07:44:00] <Colin[pi]> so getting the controller with ::curr() is the norm?
103: [07:44:00] <simon_w> Yup
104: [07:44:00] <Colin[pi]> ok it seemed weird to me but wanted to check, thanks
105: [07:44:33] <Colin[pi]> well that totally worked, ta
106: [07:45:09] <Colin[pi]> btw I went to that new San Churro place in Woden... SO FULL OF CHOCOLATE
107: [07:47:17] <simon_w> Apparently Freya has a friend working there
108: [07:47:41] <Colin[pi]> who's Freya?
109: [07:47:50] <simon_w> One of Caitlin's sisters
110: [07:47:59] <Colin[pi]> OIC
111: [07:48:06] <Colin[pi]> we had to wait for 30 mins to sit :\
112: [07:51:55] <simon_w> Gutted
113: [07:52:16] <Colin[pi]> was like that when Max Brenner opened in Belco
114: [07:56:05] <simon_w> And that's why you don't go to places just after they open?
115: [07:57:42] <Colin[pi]> was fine the other day, stupid weekend
116: [08:03:58] <simon_w> Maybe I'll go there for lunch tomorrow
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124: [09:54:05] <j9x> i'm going crazy: how do i create a 'composer.json' to my project containing 'theme' and 'mysite' folders so after a 'composer.phar install' the '.htaccess' and 'index.php' from silverstripe/installer are in the root? or in other words: how to deploy with composer?
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126: [10:06:11] <j9x> my preferred workflow would be: clone my private git repo (folder 'theme' and 'mysite'), cd into the folder, issue some commands, and get a full silverstripe instance. is this possible with composer?
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147: [13:50:29] <schippie> I ran into a bug not sure if anybody else noticed it but the 4.1 version of PHPUnit is not compatible with SapphireTest see: [Strict Notice] Declaration of SapphireTest::assertContains() should be compatible with PHPUnit_Framework_Assert::assertContains($needle, $haystack, $message = '', $ignoreCase = false, $checkForObjectIdentity = true, $checkForNonObjectIdentity = false) should i report this somewhere?
148: [13:52:16] <schippie> Same applies for : assertNotContains
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153: [15:10:54] <jaysmith> Hey. Need help with some Json.
154: [15:11:07] <jaysmith> I want to return an object. which has many objects within it and return to json
155: [15:14:05] <jaysmith> http://pastebin.com/Eg6JaNGi
156: [15:14:10] <jaysmith> Rough Idea.....
157: [15:14:17] <jaysmith> But people have many projects.
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165: [17:25:28] <ThePeach> hi all
166: [17:26:11] <ThePeach> I'm playing around with SS for the first time. I was wondering, what would be the best way to create a reusable block in the homepage, for instance a simple contact form?
167: [17:26:25] <ThePeach> would using widgets be a smart idea, or is there a simpler way to do it?
168: [17:36:13] <j9x> so a element for a sidebar?
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171: [17:38:44] <ThePeach> it might be used in a sidebar, yes
172: [17:39:22] <ThePeach> 3 inputs, a captcha and a submit button
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174: [17:45:29] <ThePeach> also... I'm getting an hard time debugging controllers or models
175: [17:46:54] <ThePeach> oh wow... http://doc.silverstripe.com/framework/en/topics/debugging ... ok
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179: [19:11:55] <ThePeach> is there a way to see which version of silverstripe I am running?
180: [19:18:11] <ThePeach> some genius deleted the content of /cms/silverstripe_version :-/
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188: [20:27:02] <travis-ci> [travis-ci] silverstripe/silverstripe-framework#2555 (3.1 - 21fef41 : Ingo Schommer): The build passed.
189: [20:27:02] <travis-ci> [travis-ci] Change view : https://github.com/silverstripe/silverstripe-framework/compare/dd638014a40d...21fef41c3f6b
190: [20:27:02] <travis-ci> [travis-ci] Build details : http://travis-ci.org/silverstripe/silverstripe-framework/builds/24931007
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194: [20:38:42] <travis-ci> [travis-ci] silverstripe/silverstripe-framework#2556 (master - f84e439 : Ingo Schommer): The build passed.
195: [20:38:42] <travis-ci> [travis-ci] Change view : https://github.com/silverstripe/silverstripe-framework/compare/76932f7a005e...f84e439959b8
196: [20:38:42] <travis-ci> [travis-ci] Build details : http://travis-ci.org/silverstripe/silverstripe-framework/builds/24931428
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204: [21:12:40] <Stomach> good morning
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207: [21:16:52] <Ryan-Toast> Stomach: Muurning
208: [21:17:06] <Stomach> hows ya weekend?
209: [21:18:40] <Ryan-Toast> Stomach: It was good, my mates signed me up to Tinder when I got a bit drunk, so I’ve been getting weird messages for the last two days.
210: [21:19:03] <Stomach> hahaha :D nice one
211: [21:19:12] <Stomach> I went out in Ponsonby on Saturday night
212: [21:19:13] <Stomach> jesus.
213: [21:19:15] <Stomach> O_O
214: [21:19:47] <Ryan-Toast> Stomach: Good looking people in Ponsomby
215: [21:19:52] <Ryan-Toast> Ponsonby
216: [21:20:09] <Stomach> well, I was there bringing it down in my sonic tshirt and shorts
217: [21:20:15] <Stomach> quite hard to get into bars in jandals
218: [21:21:14] <Stomach> I saw some serious tongue hockey going on at Chapel though
219: [21:21:25] <Stomach> I forgot what its like to be a sexed up teenager
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221: [21:33:02] <travis-ci> [travis-ci] silverstripe/silverstripe-framework#2558 (3.1 - f556907 : Sean Harvey): The build was broken.
222: [21:33:02] <travis-ci> [travis-ci] Change view : https://github.com/silverstripe/silverstripe-framework/compare/21fef41c3f6b...f5569078e555
223: [21:33:02] <travis-ci> [travis-ci] Build details : http://travis-ci.org/silverstripe/silverstripe-framework/builds/24933969
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231: [22:30:16] <antmas> morning all
232: [22:31:12] <simon_w|air> I guess it is
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235: [22:37:55] <Turnerj> So apparently the Australian government decided to go with Drupal as the CMS of choice :(
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237: [22:38:38] <simon_w|air> Eh, I still can't work for them, so doesn't really matter :p
238: [22:39:12] <Turnerj> I was hoping where I work could get in on some of the Gov action
239: [22:39:19] <Turnerj> But we like Silverstripe more than Drupal
240: [22:40:00] <simon_w|air> Which reminds me, I need to ring myGov to bitch about them wiping my security answers, so I can't log in
241: [22:40:18] <simon_w|air> (They're FAQ response is to create another account)
242: [22:40:21] <simon_w|air> *Their
243: [22:40:27] <Turnerj> Wow lol
244: [22:40:48] <simon_w|air> They contain special characters that their database or script or some other BS can't handle
245: [22:44:51] <Turnerj> http://agov.com.au/features <- This is the feature list that got the Aus Gov all excited about Drupal
246: [22:45:23] <Turnerj> My favourite is "Feature carousel" and "Rich content editing"
247: [22:46:07] <unsignedint> bloody drupal
248: [22:46:23] <unsignedint> although I have not looked at in about 4 years so hopefully its improved
249: [22:46:55] <Stomach> the taxonomical layout still lets clients really fuck shit up
250: [22:47:44] <unsignedint> thats what backups are for!
251: [22:47:49] <unsignedint> and correct training
252: [22:47:50] <simon_w|air> There's one thing in that list that's rather hard to do with SS
253: [22:48:19] <unsignedint> drag and drop layouts?
254: [22:48:44] <simon_w|air> Yeah
255: [22:48:59] <unsignedint> thats hardly a useful feature imo
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257: [22:49:11] <zippy__> hi
258: [22:49:12] <unsignedint> the user should not be designing the layout
259: [22:49:31] <Turnerj> Yeah, the drag and drop stuff is a little hit-and-miss for me
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261: [22:49:48] <Turnerj> So every module will support the correct styling guidelines when they drag and drop them in?
262: [22:52:33] <unsignedint> if they make it part of the WCAG 2.0 Level AA standard, and the AGIMO Web Guide Mandatory Requirements and the AGLS metadata then probably
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264: [22:55:24] <Ryan-Toast> Stomach: lol, jandles are not exactly in their dress code.
265: [22:57:47] <UncleCheese> Rat infestation!
266: [22:57:57] <UncleCheese> w00t!
267: [22:58:25] <UncleCheese> I mean, really, what do you expect for $515 a week?
268: [22:58:40] <zippy__> 515! dang!
269: [22:58:45] <UncleCheese> yeah, you're telling me
270: [22:59:06] <UncleCheese> i figured, well, let's just cough up the extra hundred bucks a week so we never have to worry about any of the pitfalls of Wellington housing.
271: [22:59:32] <Stomach> Ryan-Toast - they should get a better dress code
272: [22:59:37] <Colin[pi]> kia ora
273: [22:59:56] <zippy__> UncleCheese: which area of Wellington are you?
274: [22:59:59] <Ryan-Toast> Stomach: shorts, wife beater; jandles, good times.
275: [23:00:10] <zippy__> Wellington wellinton, or upperhut or something?
276: [23:00:13] <UncleCheese> JVille
277: [23:00:19] <UncleCheese> dont' like
278: [23:00:25] <spronk> well
279: [23:00:27] <spronk> tere's your problem
280: [23:00:42] <UncleCheese> spronk: i'm listening
281: [23:00:51] <spronk> should've forked out for k-dal
282: [23:00:58] <UncleCheese> love kandallah
283: [23:01:02] <UncleCheese> still far away
284: [23:01:04] <spronk> nb: i know very little about wellington suburbs :P
285: [23:01:05] <UncleCheese> but at least it has views
286: [23:01:12] <UncleCheese> neither do i… it's a learning process
287: [23:01:18] <spronk> when you say infestation...
288: [23:01:22] <spronk> how bad are we talking?
289: [23:01:28] <UncleCheese> i looked at a map, and figured, oh, 11k from the city.. that's so close
290: [23:01:31] <UncleCheese> umm
291: [23:01:37] <UncleCheese> well, we're being kept up at night
292: [23:01:40] <spronk> :|
293: [23:01:41] <UncleCheese> with the munching
294: [23:01:45] <spronk> daang
295: [23:01:47] <UncleCheese> or whatever the fuck they do
296: [23:01:59] <UncleCheese> owner had a rat problem before we moved in, and disclosed that
297: [23:02:05] <UncleCheese> but she said the pest guys took care of it
298: [23:02:08] <UncleCheese> and there's a guarantee on it
299: [23:02:14] <spronk> hmm
300: [23:02:15] <UncleCheese> question
301: [23:02:21] <UncleCheese> should we have to pay for the rat removal?
302: [23:02:36] <UncleCheese> she's making it sound like we're going to foot the bill
303: [23:02:47] <spronk> unless you caused the rats, no
304: [23:03:01] <spronk> i.e. if you're not living sloppily and leaving food out etc
305: [23:03:36] <zippy__> you could get a 400k home loan for $550 a week
306: [23:03:46] <zippy__> $425 for 300k
307: [23:04:16] <antmas> zippy__: yeah but then you have to get that deposit :/
308: [23:04:23] <UncleCheese> zippy__: I know
309: [23:04:29] <UncleCheese> but you need 20% deposit
310: [23:04:34] <antmas> ^^^
311: [23:04:37] <zippy__> UncleCheese: No you do
312: [23:04:37] <UncleCheese> i qualify for the kiwi saver 10% thing
313: [23:04:41] <antmas> UncleCheese: some banks will still do 10%
314: [23:04:58] <UncleCheese> but still, you need to be carrying $30k plus closing costs
315: [23:05:02] <UncleCheese> or whatever they're called here
316: [23:05:23] <UncleCheese> but trust me, i've done those mortgage calculators before and it makes my heart hurt
317: [23:06:00] <spronk> you're better off renting if you don't have a 20% dep
318: [23:06:09] <UncleCheese> true
319: [23:06:13] <UncleCheese> housing market is so different here
320: [23:06:15] <spronk> providing you can get a decently priceed rental
321: [23:06:19] <UncleCheese> in the USA, you don't need any deposit
322: [23:06:23] <spronk> 500/week is probably... over that
323: [23:06:32] <zippy__> spronk: yea if the rental price is ok, 500 is too much
324: [23:06:42] <spronk> man, some parts of USA have insanely cheap housing
325: [23:06:42] <UncleCheese> well
326: [23:06:43] <zippy__> well, depends on what its like ofc
327: [23:06:44] <spronk> compared to income
328: [23:06:47] <UncleCheese> yeah, it's nuts
329: [23:06:51] <UncleCheese> wellington is just a really rough market
330: [23:06:52] <spronk> housing here is absurd compared to income
331: [23:06:58] <spronk> and the quality of housing in NZ is pretty abysmal
332: [23:07:03] <UncleCheese> you go over the hill to Wairirapa and you can get a massive house for $300k
333: [23:07:08] <UncleCheese> here, $300k gets you rats
334: [23:07:26] <UncleCheese> yeah, it's just awful
335: [23:07:34] <UncleCheese> i mean, at the risk of offending kiwis
336: [23:07:40] <spronk> 1950-1970: quality materials, crappy specs. 1970+: crappy materials, crappy specs
337: [23:07:44] <UncleCheese> it's just.. it's really, really bad
338: [23:07:45] <spronk> 1990-2010: leaky
339: [23:07:54] <spronk> 2010+: not too bad.
340: [23:07:57] <UncleCheese> way worse than i expected, and i was warned my many people
341: [23:08:13] <spronk> UncleCheese: i found wellington quite bad compared to chch and aucks in that regard
342: [23:08:18] <spronk> esp for rental
343: [23:08:24] <UncleCheese> of course, if we buy, then i've just created a whole new money pit
344: [23:08:32] <UncleCheese> at least now, i can say, well, it's a rental, so let's just deal with it
345: [23:08:40] <UncleCheese> but if i own, i'll be like, fuck, it's ours.. let's fix it
346: [23:08:49] <spronk> tbh, i regret buying
347: [23:08:55] <UncleCheese> i've heard chch has much better housing
348: [23:08:58] <UncleCheese> spronk: ???
349: [23:09:07] <spronk> bought a 1960 house here in chch last year
350: [23:09:21] <spronk> just many niggly little issues
351: [23:09:31] <UncleCheese> yeah
352: [23:09:48] <UncleCheese> well someone was telling me all the prices are based on the NZD being about 50% of USD
353: [23:09:58] <UncleCheese> and now that has gone way in the other direction (pushing 90% now)
354: [23:10:05] <spronk> mm
355: [23:10:10] <UncleCheese> so everything is essentially twice what it should be
356: [23:10:20] <UncleCheese> but im not sure i buy that.. the market should correct for that
357: [23:10:20] <spronk> a lot of housing here should never have been built
358: [23:10:28] <UncleCheese> state housing?
359: [23:10:32] <spronk> no insulation in the walls? lolburgers
360: [23:10:36] <UncleCheese> yeah
361: [23:10:43] <zippy__> after renting and moving out of rentals I always left with $0 in my hand, after owning and selling my first house I had decent $ in the bank account… so, depending on the price of the house it is worth owning vs renting
362: [23:10:48] <UncleCheese> "Nice flat.. is it insulated?" - Said no American or European EVER
363: [23:11:08] <spronk> 1 power point per room, no way to expand easily without ripping off linings? lol
364: [23:11:16] <spronk> no modularity in buildings? lol
365: [23:11:22] <UncleCheese> yeah, i love the lack of power outlets
366: [23:11:25] <UncleCheese> makes life so much fun
367: [23:11:33] <zippy__> spronk: eq damage :) eq stole the power points
368: [23:11:33] <UncleCheese> i shave my head in the hallway, leaning out a window
369: [23:12:02] <spronk> well, i have no sympathy for electric razorers :p
370: [23:12:12] <UncleCheese> thing is, the "property ladder" here is such an ingrained part of the personal wealth model
371: [23:12:21] <UncleCheese> soooooooooo many people own and let property
372: [23:12:23] <UncleCheese> it's like a thing to do
373: [23:12:34] <UncleCheese> it's almost like a de facto savings account
374: [23:12:42] <UncleCheese> look at all the property management companies
375: [23:12:50] <UncleCheese> it's crazy
376: [23:12:51] <spronk> mm
377: [23:12:55] <spronk> its dumb
378: [23:12:59] <UncleCheese> life is set up for people to buy and let
379: [23:13:04] <spronk> older gens buying properties, pushes up pricing for younger gens
380: [23:13:08] <UncleCheese> and that drives prices up
381: [23:13:19] <UncleCheese> and foreign investors, too.. big problem
382: [23:13:24] <spronk> mm..
383: [23:13:33] <spronk> i'm surprised it hasn't totally snapped yet
384: [23:13:35] <UncleCheese> they changed the rules for deposits, saying no more 10% deposits.. must be at least 20%
385: [23:13:39] <UncleCheese> thinking they'd cool off the market
386: [23:13:48] <UncleCheese> but, big news.. it's not first time buyers that are driving up the price
387: [23:14:07] <spronk> we had a pretty decent deposit last year
388: [23:14:07] <UncleCheese> it's millionaire investors
389: [23:14:13] <UncleCheese> buying up entire streets
390: [23:14:29] <spronk> were looking one step above entry level, had lived uber thrifty for years to get decent deposit
391: [23:14:42] <spronk> then we keep getting told to lower expectations
392: [23:15:29] <spronk> "oh this tiny little 100m2 home in a terrible state of repair on 500m2 land is half a million"
393: [23:15:46] <Stomach> UC - if you think housing in wellington is cheap you should come live in Auckland, its disgusting
394: [23:15:51] <Stomach> expensive*
395: [23:15:53] <UncleCheese> are there tax incentives for home ownership in NZ?
396: [23:15:59] <UncleCheese> i've heard, and reserached
397: [23:16:02] <spronk> not that I'm aware of
398: [23:16:02] <UncleCheese> awful
399: [23:16:08] <UncleCheese> so you can't write off the interest?
400: [23:16:17] <spronk> other than no capital gains tax on sale
401: [23:16:19] <Stomach> there kind of is, it doesn't come under capital gains
402: [23:16:21] <spronk> not for personal use
403: [23:16:26] <UncleCheese> huh
404: [23:16:36] <Stomach> but like spronk says thats only on sale
405: [23:16:37] <UncleCheese> we always got to write off $9,000 a year in mortgage interest
406: [23:16:51] <UncleCheese> which, if you think about it, is so stupid
407: [23:16:58] <spronk> it'd be nice to have tax write offs for an owner-occupied property
408: [23:16:58] <UncleCheese> why does the government want you to own a home
409: [23:17:23] <UncleCheese> and we bought in 2009, when they had the $8,000 tax credit
410: [23:17:35] <UncleCheese> first time homebuyers just got an $8,000 check from the governement
411: [23:17:38] <UncleCheese> free and clear
412: [23:17:50] <UncleCheese> we bought lots of furniture
413: [23:17:55] <UncleCheese> but again, why?
414: [23:17:59] <UncleCheese> who cares
415: [23:18:33] <spronk> the kiwisaver rules for buying property is kinda lol
416: [23:18:51] <spronk> the cost caps are way too low
417: [23:19:32] <Colin[pi]> UncleCheese: but, big news.. it's not first time buyers that are driving up the price, it's millionaire investors <---- ding ding ding
418: [23:19:37] <Colin[pi]> happening all over
419: [23:19:44] <UncleCheese> yeah, it's so dumb
420: [23:19:56] <antmas> real estate is just a clusterfuck of stress
421: [23:20:03] <Colin[pi]> we've got chinese investors buying up SHIT loads of real estate here
422: [23:20:13] <UncleCheese> yup
423: [23:20:26] <UncleCheese> ther'es going to be a big showdown between NZ and the USA pretty soon
424: [23:20:32] <UncleCheese> NZ keeps bending over for China
425: [23:20:36] <Colin[pi]> meanwhile I'm renting at 385/w and to buy an apartment will cost me 650/w in mortgage repayments
426: [23:20:47] <UncleCheese> !!!!!! in Oz?
427: [23:20:50] <Colin[pi]> yep
428: [23:20:52] <UncleCheese> fuck that
429: [23:20:57] <UncleCheese> man, it's fucked everywhere
430: [23:21:00] <Colin[pi]> well, that's for a new 3-bdr apartment
431: [23:21:02] <UncleCheese> i'm moving to Oklahoma
432: [23:21:05] <Colin[pi]> could get cheaper
433: [23:21:12] <spronk> only reason why we bought was stability
434: [23:21:20] <spronk> unlike some other countries there aren't really long term leases here
435: [23:21:30] <UncleCheese> stability?
436: [23:21:35] <UncleCheese> the rate is only good for 5 years!
437: [23:21:39] <spronk> we got kicked out of two rental properties
438: [23:21:43] <UncleCheese> what's stable about that?
439: [23:21:45] <Colin[pi]> UncleCheese: my friend moved to texas and he showed me the home he bought for like $250,000 - it's frickin HUGGGGGGE
440: [23:21:57] <UncleCheese> yeah, i never thought i'd own a home for $250k
441: [23:22:00] <spronk> first one owner wanted it back after a year of renting for their daughter, wtf
442: [23:22:06] <UncleCheese> we owned a home in Vermont for $200k
443: [23:22:12] <spronk> second one the house was written off and demolished
444: [23:22:33] <Colin[pi]> if I moved to Brazil and bought a home for $250k, my gf said we'd have a mansion, lol
445: [23:22:38] <UncleCheese> and we had over an acre of land, 140 sq. m
446: [23:22:45] <spronk> that's pretty sweet.
447: [23:22:56] <Stomach> and you thought life would be better in new zealand
448: [23:22:57] <Stomach> lols
449: [23:22:58] * spronk would love 140m2
450: [23:23:11] <spronk> that's like two more rooms
451: [23:23:16] <UncleCheese> and we had a small "starter" home
452: [23:23:24] <Colin[pi]> no doubt NZ and AU are great countries to live, but my word... you pay for the privilege
453: [23:23:27] <antmas> screw buying a house here
454: [23:23:28] <UncleCheese> it's definitely weird
455: [23:23:35] <UncleCheese> Colin[pi]: yeah, i agree
456: [23:23:41] <spronk> then there are bullshit things like school zonings
457: [23:23:47] <UncleCheese> i think they're great places to live, but you have to focus on the outside
458: [23:23:48] <spronk> that arbitrarily fuck with values
459: [23:24:41] <spronk> our property is worth about $100/w in rent more than one down the road from us because we're in a much better school zone. lol.
460: [23:24:52] <Ryan-Toast> How can I remove tabs from a redirection apage?
461: [23:25:10] <Stomach> what tabs
462: [23:25:38] <Colin[pi]> Ryan-Toast: extension that removes them using updateCMSFields() ?
463: [23:25:55] <Ryan-Toast> Colin[pi]: Ah of course, cheersa
464: [23:26:11] <Stomach> you can't remove the settings or version tabs anymore though
465: [23:26:12] <zippy__> via the code, is there a way to get the author of the last published page?
466: [23:26:21] <zippy__> ie who published it
467: [23:26:34] <Ryan-Toast> zippy__: Filter by last modified?
468: [23:27:04] <zippy__> sorry about I mean is, say I have a page like… Foo. On that page I want to say, Published by: Name
469: [23:27:12] <zippy__> I thought it was $Author, but seems I am wong
470: [23:27:32] <zippy__> $Author.Name gives me Author lol
471: [23:33:18] <Ryan-Toast> Colin[pi]: Would I extend RedirectorPage_Controller?
472: [23:33:33] <Ryan-Toast> zippy__: yay :)
473: [23:34:02] <zippy__> Ryan-Toast: lol no I mean it justs gives me the next 'Author' not he actual author
474: [23:35:54] <Ryan-Toast> zippy__: I don’t see any reference to member
475: [23:36:16] <zippy__> I was just thinking since it shows up in the history tab in the CMS there would be a way to get it
476: [23:38:05] <Ryan-Toast> zippy__: Hmm, you could query the version and get the member id from there?
477: [23:38:24] <Stomach> zippy__ http://www.sspaste.com/paste/show/537006a897308
478: [23:38:41] <zippy__> ta indeed thank you!
479: [23:38:54] <Ryan-Toast> Stomach: Would I extend RedirectorPage_Controller if I weanted to extend the Redirector page?
480: [23:39:04] <Stomach> what do you want to extend on it
481: [23:39:14] <Ryan-Toast> removeByName some tabs
482: [23:39:19] <Stomach> nah, just redirectorpage
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484: [23:39:40] <Stomach> you'd only decorate the controller if you wanted to change some controller functionality
485: [23:41:29] <Ryan-Toast> Stomach: I have this, but sdoesn’t seem to work - http://pastebin.com/7dTa7Yak
486: [23:42:40] <Stomach> are you adding banner to page or somewhere?
487: [23:43:04] <Stomach> http://pastebin.com/dcfAz1Jz
488: [23:43:10] <Stomach> you need to add it before extensions are run, like that
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490: [23:48:14] <travis-ci> [travis-ci] silverstripe/silverstripe-cms#885 (master - 6a69134 : Damian Mooyman): The build was broken.
491: [23:48:14] <travis-ci> [travis-ci] Change view : https://github.com/silverstripe/silverstripe-cms/compare/b3699281c076...6a69134fb045
492: [23:48:14] <travis-ci> [travis-ci] Build details : http://travis-ci.org/silverstripe/silverstripe-cms/builds/24939498
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494: [23:48:20] <Ryan-Toast> Stomach: No dice :(
495: [23:49:45] <Colin[pi]> Ryan-Toast: Banner is a tab?
496: [23:49:52] <Ryan-Toast> Colin[pi]: Yarp
497: [23:50:18] <Colin[pi]> mm did you try removeFieldFromTab() ?
498: [23:50:20] <simon_w> Man, using AirNZ travel vouchers from Canberra is so much hassle
499: [23:50:36] <Ryan-Toast> Colin[pi]: I don’t think it’s extending it even.
500: [23:50:44] <Ryan-Toast> I tried setting some $defaults and they didn’t work
501: [23:51:03] <Colin[pi]> Ryan-Toast: doesn't have a Root? Here's some of my code from a Page subclass: $fields->removeFieldFromTab('Root.Content','Metadata');
502: [23:51:09] <simon_w> Ryan-Toast, have you flushed?
503: [23:51:14] <Ryan-Toast> simon_w: yes.
504: [23:51:20] <Ryan-Toast> built and flushed
505: [23:51:33] <simon_w> Also, should be a DataExtension
506: [23:51:35] <Colin[pi]> I reckon it's not finding the tab to remove
507: [23:52:32] <simon_w> Ryan-Toast, is this something you're adding in Page::getCMSFields() after parent::getCMSFields()?
508: [23:52:38] <zippy__> new site full front end code, never again
509: [23:53:17] <Ryan-Toast> simon_w: is what I have - http://pastebin.com/jmFAgsLY
510: [23:53:24] <Ryan-Toast> zippy__: :P
511: [23:53:28] <Ryan-Toast> Fuuuun
512: [23:53:29] <Stomach> oh robert_
513: [23:53:30] <Stomach> Ryan-Toast
514: [23:53:39] <Stomach> that code I sent you is for where you define the banner
515: [23:53:46] <simon_w> Ryan-Toast, that's a DataExtension, not a DataObject
516: [23:53:56] <Stomach> so in page.php or wherever you should be doing that beforeUpdate
517: [23:54:02] <Stomach> when you add it
518: [23:54:08] <simon_w> getCMSFields and beforeUpdateCMSFields are for DataObjects
519: [23:54:21] <Ryan-Toast> simon_w: so use update?
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522: [23:56:18] <Stomach> http://pastie.org/9167032#19

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