#silverstripe IRC Log

IRC log for 23 October 2013

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1: [00:00:14] <spronk> Colin[pi]: almost certainly, but i'm pretty sure magnetic connectors have existed for a long time, so... prior art etc
2: [00:00:49] <simon_w> I still can't believe you can buy laptops with VGA ports
3: [00:01:01] <AlphaCactus> still can buy you mean
4: [00:01:16] <AlphaCactus> cause I loved my Alienware in 2004 that had a vga port...
5: [00:01:22] * BPower quit (Remote host closed the connection)
6: [00:01:30] <spronk> hahaaa
7: [00:01:32] <simon_w> Read what I said again :p
8: [00:02:04] <simon_w> Also, whose smart idea was it to have that keyboard button that turns off wifi and the trackpad?
9: [00:02:38] <spronk> if the 13" rmbp used a standardised SSD... i.e. mSATA or M2, and had sodimm slots, or microdimm slots, i would buy one right now.
10: [00:03:01] <spronk> i'd buy the base model, too, to save a bit of cash.
11: [00:03:06] <AlphaCactus> I think wifi button was to save power, and for airplanes. not sure if its actually useful for that.
12: [00:03:21] <spronk> ya but trackpad and wifi on the same button?
13: [00:03:23] <spronk> LOL
14: [00:03:31] <AlphaCactus> oh, lol
15: [00:03:37] <spronk> it's kinda like havnig your car indicator turn off your engine
16: [00:04:06] <simon_w> And it's usually not even one you need to hold down fn to hit
17: [00:04:09] <AlphaCactus> true story
18: [00:04:26] <simon_w> Type, type, type, why isn't my Google working any more?
19: [00:04:47] * UncleCheese quit (Quit: UncleCheese)
20: [00:04:52] <spronk> mm
21: [00:04:58] <spronk> another sad event happened today,
22: [00:05:01] <spronk> no more matte screens
23: [00:05:18] <spronk> but that's ok, because in ~1-2 years time apple will release it as the next great new thing
24: [00:05:49] <simon_w> Also, WTF does Debian not come with curl installed?
25: [00:06:01] <spronk> debian doesnt' come with anything
26: [00:06:13] <spronk> its a PITA, and a good reason to consider ubserv
27: [00:06:35] <AlphaCactus> apt-get
28: [00:07:01] <simon_w> Yes, I know how to install it
29: [00:07:04] <simon_w> It's just a pain
30: [00:07:49] <Colin[pi]> yeah the OS should totally come with all of the stuff installed that you want right? like, it just KNOWS
31: [00:07:51] <Colin[pi]> ;D
32: [00:08:35] <simon_w> It'll be like not coming with sudo
33: [00:08:39] <simon_w> Oh, wait...
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37: [00:13:28] <ss23> CLIENTS
38: [00:13:30] <ss23> ARE DUM
39: [00:13:31] <ss23> ;_;
40: [00:13:42] <ss23> "I need write access to this dir" "try now"
41: [00:13:57] <ss23> and he literally chmod 777 the entire directory contents, EXCEPT FOR THE DIRECTORY ITSELF
42: [00:14:06] <ss23> It's like he did the closest thing he could do, but wrong
43: [00:14:34] <Colin[pi]> derp
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45: [00:14:42] <travis-ci> [travis-ci] silverstripe/silverstripe-framework#1364 (3.1 - 77696e2 : Ingo Schommer): The build passed.
46: [00:14:42] <travis-ci> [travis-ci] Change view : https://github.com/silverstripe/silverstripe-framework/compare/ad09d4297f41...77696e207a7b
47: [00:14:42] <travis-ci> [travis-ci] Build details : http://travis-ci.org/silverstripe/silverstripe-framework/builds/12908682
48: [00:14:42] * travis-ci has left #silverstripe
49: [00:18:59] <antmas> ss23: :O
50: [00:19:04] <antmas> ;______________;
51: [00:19:55] <spronk> argh
52: [00:19:58] <spronk> decisions.
53: [00:20:09] <spronk> laptop is old and doesn't do what it needs to
54: [00:20:14] <ss23> antmas: DNO'T WORRY IT WASN'T YOU
55: [00:20:23] <spronk> but... dissattisfied with all possible replacement options :<
56: [00:20:25] <antmas> OH THANK GOD
57: [00:20:29] <antmas> :D
58: [00:20:36] <ss23> :D
59: [00:21:11] * antmas can't alter perms anyway, so can't 777 all the things
60: [00:21:32] <simon_w> antmas, is was this either guy from Tasman!
61: [00:22:40] <ss23> chmod 777 is only one privesc away~
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63: [00:24:11] <peter_w> hey everyone
64: [00:24:33] <Colin[pi]> hey there
65: [00:24:57] <peter_w> I am using SS3.1 and trying to modify the getList() like explained here
66: [00:24:57] <peter_w> http://doc.silverstripe.org/framework/en/reference/modeladmin#results-customization
67: [00:25:17] <peter_w> no whatever what I do to list...nothing changes
68: [00:26:08] <peter_w> I am Debug::show($list->dataQuery()); before and after adding something like $list->exclude('Title', 'Bob'); but the output is exactly the same
69: [00:26:53] <simon_w> $list = $list->
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71: [00:28:34] <travis-ci> [travis-ci] silverstripe/silverstripe-framework#1365 (3.1 - ea5b3e4 : Ingo Schommer): The build passed.
72: [00:28:34] <travis-ci> [travis-ci] Change view : https://github.com/silverstripe/silverstripe-framework/compare/77696e207a7b...ea5b3e426961
73: [00:28:34] <travis-ci> [travis-ci] Build details : http://travis-ci.org/silverstripe/silverstripe-framework/builds/12908932
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75: [00:29:55] <simon_w> ss23, lunch?
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77: [00:30:35] <peter_w> cheers simon_w that was killing me...maybe someone could fix that documentation up?
78: [00:30:40] * godel is now known as sssteve
79: [00:30:45] <ss23> simon_w: uh, doing something atm
80: [00:30:49] <ss23> simon_w: maybe... 15 mins?
81: [00:30:50] <simon_w> peter_w, there's an edit button at the bottom
82: [00:30:53] <simon_w> ss23, okay
83: [00:30:53] * sssteve is now known as ss_steve
84: [00:30:57] <EasyCo> Knew that one was coming
85: [00:31:00] <ss_steve> hey guys
86: [00:31:15] <ss_steve> anyone know when a new SS book is coming out?
87: [00:31:26] <simon_w> When someone writes one?
88: [00:31:34] <ss_steve> have bought the 2009 copy but it's a bit... dated?
89: [00:31:35] <simon_w> I don't think it's that high a priority
90: [00:31:39] <antmas> ss_steve: probably not going to happen because docs
91: [00:31:51] <ss23> simon_w: Do you know about tar?
92: [00:31:56] <ss23> I want to exclude a folder from the root dir
93: [00:32:00] <ss23> in .gitignore I would use "/cache"
94: [00:32:01] <simon_w> ss23, a bit
95: [00:32:04] <ss23> in tar ginore, can I do the same thing?
96: [00:32:09] * sukirti quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
97: [00:32:11] <ss23> I do "cache" alone and it excludes framework/cache too
98: [00:32:36] <EasyCo> ss23:http://madproject.com/general/getting-tar-and-excluding-foldersfiles-to-work-on-mac-osx/
99: [00:32:39] <ss23> fucking fuck
100: [00:32:48] <ss23> a /cache doesn't work
101: [00:32:51] <ss23> I'm going to have to change the stuff
102: [00:32:52] <ss23> :<
103: [00:32:52] <EasyCo> Still valid even if your not on osx
104: [00:32:57] <ss23> EasyCo: Doesnt' really help
105: [00:32:57] <ss23> :P
106: [00:33:30] <EasyCo> Your answer is yes
107: [00:33:32] <EasyCo> You can do the same
108: [00:33:39] <Pyromanik> Met a woman in west virginia
109: [00:33:39] <ss23> EasyCo: My question is *how*, that link doesn't tell me
110: [00:33:48] <Pyromanik> ' said her name was Alabama
111: [00:33:56] <EasyCo> Sure it does
112: [00:34:04] <ss23> EasyCo: Where/how?
113: [00:34:18] <ss23> EasyCo: In my case, I want to remove /cache, but not /framework/cache
114: [00:34:40] <Pyromanik> ss_steve: There are none in the pipeline.
115: [00:34:41] <simon_w> ss23, try ^cache?
116: [00:34:45] <ss23> simon_w: will try now
117: [00:34:45] <simon_w> It's a basic regex
118: [00:34:50] <ss23> :O
119: [00:34:57] <EasyCo> Oh I gotcha
120: [00:35:13] <EasyCo> Didn't see that second bit about that
121: [00:35:24] <Pyromanik> ss_steve: most of the principals are the same though, it's just outdated because of 3.0 & 3.1. There are changelogs for that though, they give a rundown on the important differences.
122: [00:35:54] <ss23> simon_w: suspect that didn't work, sec
123: [00:36:48] <ss23> simon_w: yeah, it didn't exclude any then
124: [00:36:48] <ss23> ANWAY
125: [00:36:52] <ss23> I'll rename it from cache to something else
126: [00:36:56] <EasyCo> ss23: Do ./cache
127: [00:37:10] <ss23> Highly doubt that will work...
128: [00:37:11] <ss23> I'll just rename
129: [00:37:21] <EasyCo> Fine then
130: [00:37:27] <ss23> Sory, in a bit of a rush
131: [00:37:28] <ss23> :P
132: [00:37:31] <EasyCo> But it will, just sayin'
133: [00:37:41] <ss23> It will?
134: [00:37:44] <ss23> Fine, I'll try...
135: [00:37:54] <ss23> If it doesn,t I'll shun you forever.
136: [00:37:59] <EasyCo> Sweet, let me know if it works :p
137: [00:38:36] <Pyromanik> EasyCo: he can't, he'll be shunning you
138: [00:38:40] <ss23> EasyCo: Didn't fucking work
139: [00:38:41] <ss23> dude
140: [00:38:42] <EasyCo> Winwin
141: [00:38:44] <ss23> why did you say it *would
142: [00:38:45] <ss23> *
143: [00:38:46] <ss23> :/
144: [00:38:56] <Pyromanik> ss23: what is issue?
145: [00:39:02] <ss23> nothing, I can fix
146: [00:39:05] <ss23> Wash oping for a quick work around
147: [00:39:08] <ss23> EasyCo: srsly, that's a dick thing to do
148: [00:39:32] <Pyromanik> fucking hear katy derpfase on the radio behind my headphones :<
149: [00:39:33] <Pyromanik> WHY
150: [00:39:42] <Pyromanik> need noise cancelling/closed back headphones
151: [00:39:54] <Pyromanik> WHITE TRASH BEAUTIFUL
152: [00:40:12] <EasyCo> ss23: Ez tiger, wasn't trying to mislead you.
153: [00:41:03] <Pyromanik> shhh, enough about tigers, katy fuckface is harping on and on about them.
154: [00:41:23] <EasyCo> Turn that shit up
155: [00:41:29] <Pyromanik> someone should tell her that fucking tigers don't roar.
156: [00:41:30] <simon_w> Tiger? Why you running 10.4 still?
157: [00:42:18] <antmas> oh god, customer services people are teh nubz
158: [00:42:33] <antmas> lemme alone!
159: [00:43:40] <antmas> "I have this window called "Debug window" up in my windows explorer 9, it says F12 to close, do I press F12"?
160: [00:44:52] <antmas> -_-
161: [00:45:02] <ss23> lol antmas
162: [00:45:13] <antmas> WINDOWS EXPLORER 9
163: [00:45:18] <antmas> > IE
164: [00:50:48] * antmas wonders if one can tell jquery to being autocomplete queries from NOT the first character type
165: [00:52:37] <antmas> any ideas people?
166: [00:53:42] <ss23> Depends on the plugin you're using for autocomplete?
167: [00:53:55] <EasyCo> jqueryui?
168: [00:54:12] <EasyCo> minLength: 2?
169: [00:55:22] <Colin[pi]> lol: http://everyfuckingwebsite.com/
170: [01:00:49] <Pyromanik> haha
171: [01:00:52] <Pyromanik> n1 Colin[pi]
172: [01:01:04] <Colin[pi]> it's all so true :(
173: [01:02:29] <Pyromanik> HAAAAAAHHAHAHAHAH
174: [01:02:33] <Pyromanik> By Al Beuscher. If this site's gonna do this much fucking traffic, then fuck it. I don't want money - but ladies - I am single.
175: [01:09:09] <simon_w> ss23, 40 minutes later, ready yet? :p
176: [01:13:29] <ss23> aha
177: [01:13:31] <ss23> simon_w: Sending an email now
178: [01:13:31] <ss23> :D
179: [01:13:33] <ss23> simon_w: Then ready
180: [01:13:36] <ss23> so, maybe 5 mins
181: [01:13:37] <ss23> ^.^
182: [01:14:46] <simon_w> Okay
183: [01:18:12] <ss23> simon_w: k, wanna come now?
184: [01:18:13] <ss23> ^.^
185: [01:18:17] <ss23> Just sent email now~
186: [01:18:17] <ss23> :D
187: [01:18:21] * abitran quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
188: [01:18:27] <ss23> They're probably going to be a bit mad at my "K LEAVING FOR LUNCH NOW LOL"
189: [01:18:57] <ss23> :O
190: [01:18:59] * ss23 pokes simon_w
191: [01:19:09] <ss23> omg I hope he didn't come when I said 5 mins then
192: [01:19:10] <ss23> OH NO
193: [01:19:52] <ss23> omg I'm foced to conclude he did
194: [01:19:56] <ss23> bbl hoping he's down there!
195: [01:19:57] * ss23 runs away
196: [01:20:02] <Colin[pi]> lol!
197: [01:20:04] <ss23> txt me if not, simon_w
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199: [01:44:07] <sealorax> how do i limit the number of items for a gridfield
200: [01:51:22] <simon_w> Per page, or in total?
201: [01:54:58] <spronk> bloody composer
202: [01:55:11] * spronk pushes a new tag to his repository
203: [01:55:14] <spronk> composer update
204: [01:55:18] <spronk> doesn't see new tag, complains that it doesn't exist
205: [01:55:35] <simon_w> Yeah, packagist has to pull it in first
206: [01:55:42] <spronk> this isn't a packagist repo
207: [01:55:48] <spronk> explicitly specified in repositories
208: [01:58:44] <ss23> "These servers are not VPS. They are virtual, but hosted on the vSphere (vmWare) virtual infrastructure."
209: [01:58:47] <ss23> pls gooby.
210: [02:02:32] <EasyCo> OSX Mavericks is free?! Sweeet.
211: [02:03:53] <spronk> grr wtf
212: [02:03:56] <spronk> @dev works
213: [02:04:02] <spronk> but >=0.0.3 does not
214: [02:04:06] <spronk> and i just pushed 0.0.3 :@
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217: [02:06:35] <spronk> oh
218: [02:06:38] <spronk> maybe it was that change ages ago
219: [02:06:40] <spronk> to stability defaults
220: [02:09:00] <spronk> ohh
221: [02:09:04] <spronk> fucking composer.json file had old tag
222: [02:11:24] <spronk> sigh
223: [02:11:41] <spronk> seems like pointless double handling using both tags, and version number in composer.json
224: [02:12:02] <spronk> though i guess i could rig up some sort of commit hook to auto inject that for me
225: [02:13:40] <ss23> lol
226: [02:13:42] <ss23> Relax, simon_w!
227: [02:14:31] <guzzlefry> 0.o
228: [02:17:36] <ss23> uh
229: [02:17:37] <ss23> spronk*
230: [02:18:12] <simon_w> I AM RELAXED
231: [02:18:42] <antmas> anyone had issues with Mavericks yet?
232: [02:18:54] <simon_w> Yes
233: [02:19:17] <simon_w> Distinct spaces in DP1 was broken as shit
234: [02:19:52] <guzzlefry> relax don't do it something something
235: [02:20:00] <guzzlefry> However that song from zoolander goes
236: [02:20:01] <guzzlefry> :P
237: [02:20:15] <antmas> .. where you wannna goooooo?
238: [02:20:31] <guzzlefry> yes!
239: [02:20:35] <guzzlefry> also
240: [02:20:42] <guzzlefry> somethintg about killing the prime minister of malaysia
241: [02:20:57] <simon_w> Something, something, DANGER ZONE
242: [02:21:08] <antmas> Archer!
243: [02:21:09] <ss23> RIDE
244: [02:21:09] <antmas> :D
245: [02:21:10] <ss23> INTO
246: [02:21:10] <ss23> THE
247: [02:21:12] <ss23> DANGER ZONE
248: [02:21:30] <Colin[pi]> IMINCHARGEOFMALAYSIA SHOOP DA WOOP
249: [02:21:38] <ss23> Danger Zone
250: [02:21:39] <ss23> Kenny Loggins - Top Gun - Motion Picture Soundtrack (Special Expanded Edition)
251: [02:21:42] * ss23 headbangs
252: [02:21:44] <guzzlefry> oh
253: [02:21:46] <irogue23> i require chocolate. or candy. or something.
254: [02:21:48] <guzzlefry> that's where I've heard that
255: [02:21:52] <ss23> irogue23: I HAVE CANDY
256: [02:21:53] <ss23> :D
257: [02:21:58] <guzzlefry> irogue23: It's halloween in like
258: [02:21:58] <Colin[pi]> OMG SO DO I
259: [02:22:00] <simon_w> irogue23, I am candy?
260: [02:22:01] <guzzlefry> a few days
261: [02:22:01] * Colin[pi] high fives
262: [02:22:02] <ss23> HIGHWAY TO THE DANGERZONE
263: [02:22:06] <guzzlefry> wait
264: [02:22:13] <guzzlefry> is Halloween a North America thing?
265: [02:22:13] <antmas> I have Arnotts, chocolate wheatens
266: [02:22:15] * irogue23 eats simon_w
267: [02:22:16] <antmas> :D
268: [02:22:29] <Avroceptyr> BAT OUT OF THE DANGERZONE!
269: [02:22:29] <simon_w> guzzlefry, mostly
270: [02:22:37] <Colin[pi]> guzzlefry: traditionally yes, making inroads here and I hate that
271: [02:22:37] <ss23> RIDE INTO THE DANGERZONE
272: [02:22:39] <irogue23> guzzlefry: kindof. a few kids who've seen it in movies go out, but barely anyone will have candy or do anything
273: [02:22:42] <antmas> guzzlefry: yeah but like everything, NZ does it too
274: [02:22:48] <Avroceptyr> NEVER GONNA GIVE YOU DANGERZONE
275: [02:22:54] <irogue23> guzzlefry: big among mormons tho!
276: [02:22:58] <ss23> whats the other song... with scarface
277: [02:23:03] <guzzlefry> uhm
278: [02:23:06] <guzzlefry> PUSH IT TO THE LIMIT
279: [02:23:14] <simon_w> Scarface Claw, the toughest tom in town!
280: [02:23:17] <guzzlefry> walk along the razor's edge
281: [02:23:20] <Avroceptyr> If only there was a caps lock capslock
282: [02:23:21] <guzzlefry> something something something ya gotta win it!
283: [02:23:23] <guzzlefry> I think
284: [02:23:28] <ss23> simon_w: NU UH
285: [02:23:31] <guzzlefry> ss23: That song?
286: [02:23:31] <ss23> yes, guzzlefry
287: [02:23:33] <ss23> :D
288: [02:23:34] <guzzlefry> yay
289: [02:23:37] <ss23> PUSH IT TO HTE LIMIT
290: [02:23:40] * guzzlefry is sthmart!
291: [02:23:45] <guzzlefry> dude
292: [02:23:46] <antmas> WHIP IT, WHIP IT GOOD
293: [02:23:52] <guzzlefry> caps lock is the only way to type the lyrics to that song
294: [02:24:04] <ss23> oh god
295: [02:24:13] <ss23> this version of push it to the limit is *not* what I wanted
296: [02:24:17] <guzzlefry> ...
297: [02:24:22] <guzzlefry> dude
298: [02:24:31] <ss23> Here we are, got it!
299: [02:24:35] <guzzlefry> Stop mixing up Salt n' Pepper with other stuff
300: [02:24:38] <ss23> oh god wtf this is a techno remix?
301: [02:24:43] <guzzlefry> nooo!
302: [02:24:49] <ss23> no it's right!
303: [02:24:51] <ss23> guzzlefry: no no, the song is called uh
304: [02:24:59] <ss23> Scarface (Push It To The Limit)
305: [02:25:00] <ss23> Paul Engemann - Scarface (Original Motion Picture Soundtrack)
306: [02:25:03] <guzzlefry> oh
307: [02:25:19] <ss23> REACH THE TOP BUT STILL YOU GOTTA LEARN HOW TO KEEP IT
308: [02:25:22] <simon_w> HOPING AND PRAYING, I'M GONNA GET THIS RIGHT
309: [02:25:29] <ss23> WOAAAAAAH, LIVIN' ON A PRAYER
310: [02:25:32] <simon_w> WE'RE NEVER GONNA SOLVE IT IF WE DON'T EVEN TRY
311: [02:25:52] <guzzlefry> my god
312: [02:25:56] <guzzlefry> what have I started? :P
313: [02:26:05] <simon_w> OH LEMMA, I LOVE YOU
314: [02:26:11] <guzzlefry> hey guys
315: [02:26:12] <guzzlefry> remmeber
316: [02:26:12] <simon_w> OH LEMMA, OH BABY
317: [02:26:18] <guzzlefry> WE DIDN'T START THE FIRE
318: [02:26:24] <guzzlefry> remember*
319: [02:26:37] <simon_w> NO, SOME TWAT DID AND NOW I HAVE TO FLY FUCKING JETSTAR
320: [02:27:01] <guzzlefry> haha
321: [02:27:07] <guzzlefry> I'm sorry :(
322: [02:27:08] <ss23> https://play.google.com/music/playlist/AMaBXymJ35Qxhu7FlfTQ6AcVCAZEPcMtDCaaURc-1vSHomgxMM1bOwoh0rY68tt5I7-11STVIdAw_AhQ80iokK7YbJtynDMmkg==
323: [02:27:11] <ss23> Good playlist y/n?
324: [02:27:13] <simon_w> ALSO, DO YOU GUYS KNOW IT'S INTERNATIONAL CAPSLOCK DAY?
325: [02:27:19] <guzzlefry> THAT'S EVERYDAY BRO
326: [02:27:22] <Colin[pi]> WHAT SERIOUSLY?
327: [02:27:23] <ss23> simon_w: EVEN WITH CRUISE CONTROL, YOU STILL NEED TO STEER
328: [02:27:36] <simon_w> FOR REALS
329: [02:27:40] <Colin[pi]> ZOMG OMG ZOMG
330: [02:27:43] <guzzlefry> ss23: ARE THESE FOR STEERING > !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111!
331: [02:28:31] <irogue23> DON'T STOP NEVER GIVE UP
332: [02:28:42] * EasyCo quit (Quit: EasyCo)
333: [02:28:43] <irogue23> HOLD YOUR HEAD HIGH AND REACH FOR THE TOP
334: [02:28:47] <irogue23> WHEN THE WORLD SEEMS TO GET TOO TOUGH
335: [02:28:50] <irogue23> BRING IT ALL BACK TO YOU
336: [02:29:05] <simon_w> REACH FOR THE STARS
337: [02:29:10] <simon_w> CLIMB EVERY MOUNTAIN HIGHER
338: [02:29:45] <simon_w> HMM, NOT AS GOOD AS LEMMA
339: [02:30:05] <simon_w> I SHOULD KEEP THE LIGHT ON ON MY KEYBOARD MORE OFTEN
340: [02:31:02] <simon_w> simon@bacta:~$ APT-GET INSTALL NAGIOS3
341: [02:31:02] <simon_w> -bash: APT-GET: command not found
342: [02:31:03] <simon_w> FUCK
343: [02:31:13] <irogue23> hahahahaha
344: [02:31:56] <Colin[pi]> dat feel when you're about to push to live
345: [02:32:05] <irogue23> i may or may not have aliased apt-get to yum on the centos & AMI boxes i manage
346: [02:32:06] <Pyromanik> sif
347: [02:32:10] <Pyromanik> pull from live, gosh Colin[pi]
348: [02:32:30] <Pyromanik> pacman fo life!
349: [02:32:40] <Pyromanik> simon_w: irogue23
350: [02:33:49] <Pyromanik> also, for a bloody good laugh
351: [02:33:50] <Pyromanik> http://media.zenfs.com/en-US/blogs/movietalk/osment-split-blog-jpg_173236.jpg
352: [02:34:03] <Colin[pi]> lol his face forgot to grow
353: [02:34:49] <Colin[pi]> Pyromanik: I like this one: http://i.imgur.com/zBLGP.jpg
354: [02:35:25] <ss23> wow who is that?
355: [02:35:27] <Pyromanik> haha
356: [02:35:31] <Colin[pi]> val kilmer
357: [02:35:32] <Pyromanik> Val Kilmer
358: [02:35:43] <Pyromanik> Looking more Heat there than Batman
359: [02:35:43] <irogue23> meanwhile, in the opposite direction
360: [02:35:44] <irogue23> http://merryfarmer.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/old-and-young-neville.jpg
361: [02:35:48] <guzzlefry> Val Kilmer was batman?
362: [02:36:12] <Pyromanik> Batman Forever
363: [02:36:14] <Colin[pi]> http://4.images.spike.com/images/photogalleries/valkilmer.jpg
364: [02:36:14] <ss23> val kilmer looks really fucked u
365: [02:36:15] <ss23> up
366: [02:36:17] <ss23> is that picture legit?
367: [02:36:19] <guzzlefry> oh
368: [02:36:20] <Colin[pi]> yes
369: [02:36:24] <Colin[pi]> people get old and fat
370: [02:36:27] <Colin[pi]> fact of life
371: [02:36:37] <ss23> And babyfaced?
372: [02:36:45] <ss23> I thought someone shopped his face over
373: [02:36:48] <ss23> cause he looks like a baby.
374: [02:36:58] <Colin[pi]> wait the kid or val kilmer, the kid?
375: [02:37:06] <ss23> onto val kilmer
376: [02:37:16] <guzzlefry> eep
377: [02:37:17] <guzzlefry> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Hail-Bacchus_Val_Kilmer.jpg
378: [02:37:28] <Colin[pi]> lol wtf
379: [02:37:33] <ss23> OI
380: [02:37:35] <ss23> BITCHES
381: [02:37:37] <ss23> http://media.zenfs.com/en-US/blogs/movietalk/osment-split-blog-jpg_173236.jpg
382: [02:37:41] <ss23> IS THIS VAL KILMER OR NOT?
383: [02:37:43] <ss23> SOMEONE TOLD ME IT'S NOT
384: [02:37:44] <ss23> NEITHER OF THEM
385: [02:37:45] <ss23> ARE
386: [02:37:50] <ss23> I'M SO CONFUSED
387: [02:37:53] <Colin[pi]> wtf ss23
388: [02:38:12] <Colin[pi]> this is halle berry osment or whatever his name was
389: [02:38:20] <irogue23> Colin[pi]: hahahaha
390: [02:38:24] <Colin[pi]> the fat guy at the table is val kilmner
391: [02:38:28] <irogue23> haley joel osment
392: [02:38:31] <Colin[pi]> oh
393: [02:38:32] <Colin[pi]> that
394: [02:38:33] <Colin[pi]> yes
395: [02:38:33] <irogue23> he sees dead people
396: [02:38:34] <Colin[pi]> I meant that
397: [02:38:36] <ss23> dammit
398: [02:38:38] <ss23> I asked badly
399: [02:38:39] <irogue23> thats what happened to him
400: [02:38:55] <simon_w> How about that Home Alone kid?
401: [02:38:59] <Colin[pi]> oh jesus
402: [02:39:02] <Colin[pi]> crack addict now
403: [02:39:23] <Colin[pi]> you mean this guy? http://m.jacarandafm.com/media/uploads/2013/08/26/Macaulay_2134207b.jpg
404: [02:39:52] <guzzlefry> Wasn't he in Terminator 2?
405: [02:40:29] <Colin[pi]> no you're thinking of the other drug addict kid
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407: [02:41:31] <Pyromanik> http://m.jacarandafm.com/media/uploads/2013/08/26/Macaulay_2134207b.jpg
408: [02:41:31] <guzzlefry> uhm
409: [02:41:55] <Pyromanik> yeah, accidental paste
410: [02:42:28] <Colin[pi]> they go the other way too, like lacey chabert... good lord now, amazing, but I cant help but remember her as a little kid on tv
411: [02:43:34] <guzzlefry> oh
412: [02:43:35] <guzzlefry> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Furlong
413: [02:43:37] <guzzlefry> That one
414: [02:43:45] <Colin[pi]> that's him
415: [02:43:54] <guzzlefry> At first I thooght he was Kid Rock. :P
416: [02:43:58] <guzzlefry> thought*
417: [02:45:10] <Colin[pi]> anyone remember that movie flight of the navigator?
418: [02:45:18] <Colin[pi]> with the little kid and the UFO
419: [02:45:49] <guzzlefry> no
420: [02:46:08] <Colin[pi]> classic 80's movie
421: [02:46:21] <Colin[pi]> he had a rocky ride too.. drugs problems
422: [02:46:35] <guzzlefry> seems to have something to do with being a celebrity
423: [02:46:42] <guzzlefry> well
424: [02:46:47] <guzzlefry> child celebrity :P
425: [02:47:10] <Colin[pi]> http://bexschwartz.blogspot.com.au/2011/08/wait-so-everyone-is-looking-for-joey.html
426: [02:47:22] <Colin[pi]> not sure if those two pics are the same guy but either way, dang
427: [02:48:17] <Pyromanik> http://www.google.co.nz/imgres?imgurl=http://global.fncstatic.com/static/managed/img/Entertainment/lisa%2520robin%2520kelly%2520660.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2013/08/15/that-70s-show-star-lisa-robin-kelly-dead/&h=168&w=300&sz=1&tbnid=dipGYRz9CIMlNM:&tbnh=112&tbnw=200&zoom=1&usg=__qoG9mgSxt9Oie59GG8W2MVUejPA=&docid=6Pbpv1J13NCO7M&itg=1&sa=X&ei=dDNnUruVI6GriAfx0IDYCQ&ved=0CIgBEPwdMAo
428: [02:48:37] <Colin[pi]> mm yeah she had some mega problems
429: [02:48:47] <Colin[pi]> that's why she disappeared from the show
430: [02:49:18] <Colin[pi]> drugs are bad mmkay
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432: [03:00:53] <ss23> PUSH IT TO THE LIMIT
433: [03:00:56] <irogue23> ughghghg
434: [03:01:01] <irogue23> ftp so slow
435: [03:01:10] <guzzlefry> time machine!
436: [03:01:19] <Colin[pi]> WALK ALONG THE RAZOR'S EDGE
437: [03:01:24] <guzzlefry> I hate using FTP to 'push' things live.
438: [03:01:27] <irogue23> plz hosting companies, give ssh or sftp
439: [03:02:41] <simon_w> SVN
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441: [03:08:30] <Pyromanik> irogue23: sif.
442: [03:08:52] <Pyromanik> Colin[pi]: but EVERYONE disappeared from that show.
443: [03:12:21] <Pyromanik> ffs - tfw: finding out that the plugin your firm has used for a bunch of sites is pay for commercial use...
444: [03:14:26] <guzzlefry> hm, what was that song where Rocky is racing around in the Countach?
445: [03:16:07] <Pyromanik> Eye of the Bull?
446: [03:16:27] <guzzlefry> oh
447: [03:16:30] <guzzlefry> this one
448: [03:16:32] <guzzlefry> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffFBdWBp0NE
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450: [03:26:53] <ss23> wow
451: [03:27:03] <ss23> the installer for 3.1 is all done fucked up atm
452: [03:27:07] <ss23> arg_separator.output option
453: [03:27:11] <ss23> display_errors is set to '1' in php.ini. This option defines how URL parameters are concatenated. If not set to '&' this may cause issues with URL GET parameters
454: [03:27:18] <ss23> MORE DSISPLAY_ERRORS
455: [03:28:45] <guzzlefry> 0.o
456: [03:29:06] <guzzlefry> ss23: So Stable is a misnomer? :P
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458: [03:32:57] <ss23> https://github.com/silverstripe/silverstripe-framework/pull/2584
459: [03:32:58] <ss23> :P
460: [03:34:05] <guzzlefry> fsck
461: [03:34:08] <guzzlefry> only 507 issues
462: [03:34:40] <ss23> simon_w: If you get bored, https://github.com/silverstripe/silverstripe-framework/pull/2584 can be merged (and into 3.1 and master etc)
463: [03:34:43] <ss23> yay
464: [03:34:46] <ss23> simon_w: :D
465: [03:34:46] <ss23> simon_w: Faster than me :P
466: [03:35:11] <simon_w> ss23, you're lucky. I was going to ask for tests :p
467: [03:35:15] <ss23> XD
468: [03:35:23] <ss23> simon_w: Well, it's a little hard to test, but like
469: [03:35:27] <ss23> simon_w: It was merged without anyone testing it
470: [03:35:30] <ss23> So... idk
471: [03:35:44] <ss23> simon_w: But yeah, needs to be merged up into 3.1 and master too
472: [03:35:50] <simon_w> Anyway, local nagios install is doing its stuff
473: [03:35:51] <simon_w> Home time!
474: [03:35:58] <ss23> WAIT
475: [03:36:01] <ss23> YOU NEED TO MERGE P FIRST
476: [03:36:04] <ss23> otherwise it'll be missed
477: [03:36:04] <ss23> ;_;
478: [03:36:16] <simon_w> Nah, Ingo'll do it
479: [03:36:24] <guzzlefry> Is there a way to search issues?
480: [03:36:26] <guzzlefry> I could be blind... :P
481: [03:36:36] <simon_w> The search thing at the top
482: [03:36:41] <simon_w> Also, stop masturbating
483: [03:36:45] <Pyromanik> yeah, the 'omnisearch'
484: [03:36:48] <guzzlefry> oh
485: [03:36:48] <Pyromanik> hahaha
486: [03:36:53] <Pyromanik> n1 simon_w
487: [03:37:29] <guzzlefry> oh I see
488: [03:37:35] <guzzlefry> you search then you can filter by result type :P
489: [03:37:49] <Pyromanik> simon_w: when your tick boxy grid field doofer does its loadup thing, page jumps to top. What do?
490: [03:38:18] <guzzlefry> wow
491: [03:38:19] <Pyromanik> guzzlefry: there's probably some BS filter thing that you can't know until you read all teh docs about searching or someshizzle
492: [03:38:30] <Pyromanik> like issues:blah
493: [03:38:31] <guzzlefry> some of these issues are 2 years old.
494: [03:38:36] <Pyromanik> guzzlefry: older.
495: [03:38:42] <Pyromanik> ported from trac
496: [03:38:50] <Pyromanik> some will be fixed but not closed.
497: [03:38:53] <Pyromanik> some will be irrelevant
498: [03:38:53] <Pyromanik> etc
499: [03:38:58] <guzzlefry> nice.. :P
500: [03:39:36] <guzzlefry> Do they even bother with 2.4 bug fixes anymore?
501: [03:40:25] <guzzlefry> Or do those just get reso_wontfix? :P
502: [03:44:43] <Pyromanik> nope
503: [03:44:46] <Pyromanik> yep
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506: [03:48:44] <travis-ci> [travis-ci] silverstripe/silverstripe-framework#1367 (3.0 - 699272a : Simon Welsh): The build passed.
507: [03:48:44] <travis-ci> [travis-ci] Change view : https://github.com/silverstripe/silverstripe-framework/compare/5235a3f3a21b...699272a2e793
508: [03:48:44] <travis-ci> [travis-ci] Build details : http://travis-ci.org/silverstripe/silverstripe-framework/builds/12913982
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510: [03:49:53] <spronk> permsz
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518: [04:07:09] <sam_> The popup box creating problem in mozilla
519: [04:07:16] <sam_> Please help
520: [04:07:26] <ss23> sam_: I don't understand your problem, can you give more details?
521: [04:07:32] <sam_> http://www.planmytournament.com/listingpage/show/14449?flush=1
522: [04:07:47] <sam_> There is a red link "Edit All Course Info"
523: [04:07:52] <sam_> Please click there
524: [04:08:03] <sam_> a blanc screen comes
525: [04:08:11] <sam_> but in chrome it works fine
526: [04:09:31] <ss23> sam_: Looks like a Javascript bug, not a SilverStripe bug
527: [04:11:05] * sam___ has joined #silverstripe
528: [04:11:17] <sam___> hi ss23
529: [04:11:22] <sam___> I missed that chat
530: [04:11:28] <ss23> sam_: Looks like a Javascript bug, not a SilverStripe bug
531: [04:11:49] <sam___> how to fix?
532: [04:12:01] <sam___> can you give some clue?
533: [04:12:19] <ss23> I don't know, sorry. I'm not good at Javascript
534: [04:12:46] <sam___> ok
535: [04:13:42] <guzzlefry> peeking at it
536: [04:13:50] <guzzlefry> froze my firefox! :P
537: [04:14:51] * sam_ quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)
538: [04:16:26] <guzzlefry> aw, he left
539: [04:16:30] <guzzlefry> or she
540: [04:16:32] <guzzlefry> dunno!
541: [04:17:09] <ss23> no
542: [04:17:09] <sam___> It was me
543: [04:17:10] <ss23> lol
544: [04:17:13] <ss23> Yeah, sam___ is still here
545: [04:17:18] <ss23> Good thing you didn't say something offensive, guzzlefry! :D
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547: [04:19:00] <guzzlefry> oh
548: [04:19:03] <guzzlefry> the underscores
549: [04:20:21] <sam___> actually it was working
550: [04:20:27] <sam___> I dont know what happened
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552: [04:20:47] <EasyCo> Is it safe to come back? You guys done caps singing?
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554: [04:22:09] <simon_w|air> Pfft, like that's going to happen
555: [04:25:37] <sam___> can anybody help me on javascript?
556: [04:25:49] <sam___> http://www.planmytournament.com/listingpage/show/14449?flush=1
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558: [04:26:41] * irogue23 upgrading a site from ss2.4 to ss3.1
559: [04:27:19] <irogue23> fun fun fun
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562: [04:28:53] <irogue23> oh sweet jebus
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566: [04:30:56] <sam___> http://www.sspaste.com/paste/show/52674f2f5690b
567: [04:31:21] <sam___> Here is my code... If I uncommect the $Value its creating problem
568: [04:31:24] <sam___> Please help me
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570: [04:34:49] <sam___> hi ss23
571: [04:34:53] <ss23> Hi
572: [04:34:58] <sam___> its not just javascript error
573: [04:35:09] <sam___> Please look if you can help me
574: [04:35:19] <ss23> sam___: You're missing a comma on the end of the pervious line
575: [04:35:23] <ss23> And it's... not right anyway, probably
576: [04:36:07] <sam___> I have removed the comma
577: [04:36:24] <sam___> can you please tell me how to put the value?
578: [04:36:53] <ss23> Sorry, sam___, I don't have the time to help you through it at the moment
579: [04:38:13] <sam___> ok
580: [04:44:18] * robert_ quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
581: [04:45:39] <sam___> hi...
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583: [04:45:52] <sam___> can anybody help me to set default value in text field?
584: [04:46:08] <sam___> in non CMS area?
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586: [04:53:05] <HelpMeDude> hey hey all! how have you been?
587: [04:53:46] <HelpMeDude> I wanted to know if SilverStripe 3.0 or 3.1 meet ATAG requirements?
588: [04:54:07] <simon_w|air> Doubt it. No effort has been put in to meet it.
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590: [04:54:41] <HelpMeDude> hmmm :(
591: [04:54:46] <ss23> :(
592: [04:55:02] <HelpMeDude> it will great if SilverStripe in the future tries to meet these requirements ...
593: [04:55:20] <HelpMeDude> thanks Simon - that was such quick answer!
594: [04:55:28] <ss23> HelpMeDude: I don't think anyone would be against making it support it
595: [04:55:37] <ss23> HelpMeDude: If you want to take the lead on it, I'm sure the work will be apperciated :)
596: [04:55:39] <Nightjar> I am!
597: [04:55:49] <ss23> XD
598: [04:55:51] <Nightjar> What are we taling about?
599: [04:55:52] <HelpMeDude> I spent 20 minutes trying to research it on the web!
600: [04:55:54] <ss23> No one cares about Nightjar, it'sokay
601: [04:55:54] <ss23> :D
602: [04:55:56] <Nightjar> talking*?
603: [04:56:01] <HelpMeDude> hahahaha
604: [04:56:08] <HelpMeDude> ATAG mate
605: [04:56:16] <Nightjar> Accessability?
606: [04:56:49] <HelpMeDude> one day I will make it work for SilverStripe - that will be the best thing - easier to sell into governments!
607: [04:56:56] <HelpMeDude> ATAG is the WCAG for CMS
608: [04:57:13] <Nightjar> but it already is sold into the government!~
609: [04:57:31] <ss23> That's true
610: [04:57:33] <Nightjar> Air Transportation Action Group
611: [04:57:36] <Nightjar> idek
612: [04:57:43] <HelpMeDude> yup - but certain departments / agencies consider it as a desirable
613: [04:57:56] <HelpMeDude> competitive advantage ;)
614: [04:57:59] <Nightjar> ah, Authoring Tool Accessability Guidelines
615: [04:58:42] <HelpMeDude> yup Nightjar
616: [04:58:42] <Nightjar> well WCAG is entirely managed by the developer
617: [04:58:47] <Nightjar> so that's fine.
618: [05:00:13] <HelpMeDude> all good mate - thank you for all the time!
619: [05:00:18] <Nightjar> wow
620: [05:00:20] <Nightjar> so
621: [05:00:45] <Nightjar> what is the point in ATAG when there's already WCAG, and ATAG 1.1 is "Make sure it's WCAG compliant"
622: [05:00:52] <Nightjar> EOF imo :P
623: [05:01:21] <HelpMeDude> well ATAG is for the CMS system - where as WCAG is for the front end of the system
624: [05:01:41] <Nightjar> but a CMS system is just a front end system that requires logging into
625: [05:02:12] <Nightjar> 1.2: "Make sure your web based tool is also accessible if it's not web-based" wut
626: [05:03:29] <Colin[pi]> wat
627: [05:03:41] <Nightjar> idek man
628: [05:05:43] <Nightjar> oic, if you run some big old school horrible CRM that is basically just a java app.
629: [05:05:50] <Nightjar> Like Sharepoint I guess.
630: [05:06:00] <Nightjar> editing on windows, content on web.
631: [05:06:32] <Nightjar> I think the biggest question here is "Is TinyMCE ATAG compatible?"
632: [05:06:55] <Nightjar> For the rest of it, so long as the user agent supports javascript then it should be fine, no?
633: [05:07:15] <Colin[pi]> cant even turn off JS in some browsers now
634: [05:07:22] <Colin[pi]> it's so ubiquitous
635: [05:07:25] <ss23> What browser can't you turn JS off in, Colin[pi]?
636: [05:07:30] <ss23> You can in every webkit one
637: [05:07:32] <Colin[pi]> um latest ff was it?
638: [05:07:32] <Nightjar> maybe a few more attrs thrown in the mix for assistive tech...
639: [05:07:33] <ss23> as well as every Blink one
640: [05:07:43] * HelpMeDude quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)
641: [05:07:44] <ss23> Colin[pi]: That's retarded if true, but lets face it, Failfox isn't known for being good or sane
642: [05:07:48] <Nightjar> Every FF can disable JS
643: [05:08:01] <Nightjar> that was a rumour that went around about 6 versions ago, and it was full of shit
644: [05:08:11] <Colin[pi]> FF23
645: [05:08:19] <Nightjar> When I first read it the very first thing I did was open the options menu and locate the "no js" button.
646: [05:08:24] <Colin[pi]> they removed the disable js option in settings
647: [05:08:29] <Colin[pi]> apparently?
648: [05:10:25] <Nightjar> hmm, fuck you might be right.
649: [05:10:29] <Colin[pi]> LOL
650: [05:10:31] <Colin[pi]> told you
651: [05:10:45] <Nightjar> oh, no, there it is.
652: [05:11:10] <Colin[pi]> http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/23.0/releasenotes/
653: [05:11:14] <Nightjar> or is it
654: [05:11:16] <Colin[pi]> "Enable JavaScript" preference checkbox has been removed and user-set values will be reset to the default
655: [05:11:26] <Nightjar> yeah, that is retarded.
656: [05:11:28] <Colin[pi]> it can still be turned off I believe but it's much more hidden
657: [05:11:31] <Nightjar> thank fuck for noscript
658: [05:11:53] <Nightjar> TIL: Mozilla (already doing a fine job at it) went full retard.
659: [05:11:57] <Nightjar> again
660: [05:11:59] <Nightjar> more.
661: [05:12:15] <ss_steve> has anyone used http://digitalocean.com for a web host?
662: [05:12:29] <Nightjar> would not recommend.
663: [05:12:44] <ss_steve> they offer SSD servers ... wondering if SSD's make any difference to performance on a server
664: [05:12:45] <Nightjar> oh, it's cloud based.
665: [05:12:48] <Nightjar> in that case, probably not so bad.
666: [05:13:09] <Nightjar> ss_steve: well it should speed up physical disk read/writes.
667: [05:13:11] <ss_steve> US and EU servers
668: [05:13:19] <Colin[pi]> ss_steve: negligible I would wager... well actually I guess it depends on the type of app
669: [05:13:30] <Nightjar> but most server farms use them anyway I'd have thought
670: [05:13:34] <Colin[pi]> something that hit the disk a lot would benefit
671: [05:13:34] <ss_steve> but that they are offshore might cancel any performance bonus for the local market
672: [05:13:42] <Nightjar> or complex RAID arrays at least.
673: [05:13:59] <Nightjar> ss_steve: where are you based?
674: [05:14:04] <ss_steve> Queenstown
675: [05:14:04] <Nightjar> AU?
676: [05:14:07] <Nightjar> oh
677: [05:14:07] <ss_steve> NZ
678: [05:14:12] <Nightjar> just go webdrive dude.
679: [05:14:16] <Nightjar> $1 a day.
680: [05:14:18] <ss_steve> URL?
681: [05:14:42] <Nightjar> it's like sponsoring a small african child, except most of your dollar doesn't get squandered on 'charity fees'
682: [05:14:48] <ss_steve> lol
683: [05:14:52] <ss23> lol
684: [05:14:59] <Nightjar> oddly enough, it's just webdrive.co.nz
685: [05:15:06] <Nightjar> who would have thought :P
686: [05:16:09] <ss_steve> why is webdrive good?
687: [05:16:26] <Nightjar> because everyone else is shit?
688: [05:16:34] <Nightjar> They offer real cloud services?
689: [05:16:43] <Nightjar> They have good support?
690: [05:16:53] <Nightjar> They're 100% kiwi owned and operated?
691: [05:17:00] <ss_steve> vpscity offer SSD servers
692: [05:17:01] <ss_steve> https://www.vpscity.co.nz/web-hosting
693: [05:17:09] <Nightjar> why bother?
694: [05:17:10] <ss_steve> `theyre kiwi too
695: [05:17:11] <ss23> vps city is *really* bad
696: [05:17:12] <ss23> like
697: [05:17:13] <Nightjar> what's the hangup about ssd?
698: [05:17:14] <ss23> holy shit bad
699: [05:17:15] <Nightjar> also
700: [05:17:17] <ss23> I use them for VPS...
701: [05:17:20] <ss23> They go down often
702: [05:17:25] <ss23> connectivity is shit
703: [05:17:40] <ss23> and I was like "Can I be told when you have failures and server issues? It's annoying to have all my servers restart and be reset and never be told"
704: [05:17:43] <Nightjar> it's like people who are like "nah, this company with lots of good reviews is too expensive, I'm going to get shared hosting with godaddy instead"
705: [05:17:48] <ss23> "Yes, if oyu pay us an additional $15 a month"
706: [05:17:49] <ss_steve> SSD is good for a lot of DB activity I hear
707: [05:17:57] <Nightjar> or people who go with 24/7 hosting because "nz based and cheap"
708: [05:18:03] <ss23> ss_steve: Maybe so, but with a hosting company as *shit* as vpscity, no way in hell.
709: [05:18:22] <Nightjar> but they have atrocious support, shit speeds, and they guy who runs it has been bailed up for scams no less than 3 times in the past
710: [05:18:24] <simon_w|air> ss_steve, you want good DB activity? You don't want shared hosting.
711: [05:18:27] <Nightjar> including a visit from fair go
712: [05:18:33] <ss_steve> yeah I have heard vpscity is bad - thanks for confirming this
713: [05:18:48] <Nightjar> ss_steve: also avoid 247hosting.co.nz
714: [05:18:56] <ss23> My personal favorite in NZ is Sitehost
715: [05:19:00] <ss_steve> yeah I have a 247 account their support is shite
716: [05:19:02] <ss23> Just because they're the right combination of good and cheap
717: [05:19:02] <simon_w|air> Our DB is running on HDDs and there's no way a shared host SSD's going to be faster :p
718: [05:19:22] <Nightjar> ss_steve: haha, sucker.
719: [05:19:28] <ss_steve> ;)
720: [05:19:35] <Nightjar> seriously, I dunno how the guy who runs it isn't in jail for fraud
721: [05:19:45] <ss_steve> have another account with OpenHost - they're not as bad
722: [05:19:51] <Nightjar> yeah, but they're shit
723: [05:19:53] <Colin[pi]> I use linode, I love their features buuuuut they have had somne security issues
724: [05:20:01] * sukirti quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
725: [05:20:14] <ss23> Colin[pi]: Their security issues seemed... okay to me, once it all came out
726: [05:20:19] <Nightjar> OpenHost is ok for cheap, but ultimately just another shared host that turns out sloooooow sites.
727: [05:20:28] <Colin[pi]> yeah they are pretty good, been happy
728: [05:20:29] <ss23> The whole FBI thing fucking it up annoyed me, but hey, what can you do about the FBI being stupid...
729: [05:20:38] <simon_w|air> For my NZ hosts, I've got Rimu (who are great, when HD doesn't screw up again) and Sitehost
730: [05:20:54] <Nightjar> ss_steve: don't get bailed up on whether or not a particular provider has xyz hardware.
731: [05:21:10] <ss_steve> indeed
732: [05:21:29] <Nightjar> SSD is low to no impact unless it's in your personal machine.
733: [05:21:47] <Nightjar> and going from openhost to dedicated server with SSD is a bit overkill.
734: [05:22:02] <Nightjar> webdrive cloud server, ftw I'd say.
735: [05:22:21] <ss_steve> depends on the needs of the client I would say
736: [05:22:42] <ss_steve> will check out webdrive
737: [05:23:34] <ss_steve> most of the sites I've been involved with so far are small and a shared host is probably ok for them for now
738: [05:23:52] <Nightjar> "an effort to simplify the Firefox options set and protect users from unintentially damaging their Firefox, the option to disable JavaScript was removed"
739: [05:24:03] <Nightjar> most fucking retarded justification I've ever heard
740: [05:24:32] <ss23> simon_w|air: Can you peer review a patch for me? I've checked and it looks good for 3.1, but just want to verify it'll be fine for 3.0
741: [05:24:40] <Nightjar> I have 2 managed servers with webdrive - support always good
742: [05:24:49] <EasyCo> Anybody know if 3.0.8 framework includes query 1.7.2 for a reason or should I be sweet to update?
743: [05:24:55] <ss23> simon_w|air: https://github.com/ss23/silverstripe-framework/commit/e7c8fed6ab99c99dd04086681b8305df4c795e37
744: [05:24:58] <EasyCo> *jquery
745: [05:25:11] <simon_w|air> EasyCo, why do you need to update it?
746: [05:25:15] <ss23> simon_w|air: Designed to once and for all stop you even trying to set the stage to something you shouldn't be able to set it to
747: [05:25:16] <EasyCo> A bug
748: [05:25:26] <Nightjar> Also want to shoot whoever wrote (or rather, named) this plugin: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/quickjava/
749: [05:25:27] <EasyCo> in 1.72 that's fixed in 1.8.3+
750: [05:25:28] * sealorax is now known as overburden
751: [05:25:42] <ss23> EasyCo: Upgrading from 1.7 to 1.8 could break....
752: [05:26:04] <Nightjar> EasyCo: unless it's affecting your CMS, just don't load it?
753: [05:26:22] <Nightjar> also, read changelog from 1.7 to 1.8 and see what's changed.
754: [05:26:32] <sam___> can anybody help me to set default value in text field?
755: [05:26:47] <sam___> http://www.sspaste.com/paste/show/52674f2f5690b
756: [05:26:49] <Nightjar> sam___: either $textfield->setValue($value)
757: [05:27:03] <Nightjar> or TextField::create($name, $title, $value)
758: [05:27:15] <Nightjar> or $form->loadDataFrom($dataArray)
759: [05:27:35] <EasyCo> Nightjar: Yah that's next.
760: [05:27:54] <EasyCo> Even SS3.1 is still using 1.7.2 :/
761: [05:28:19] <Nightjar> oh you're using 2.4 sam___
762: [05:28:32] <ss23> simon_w|air: It looks fine, right? right? ;_;
763: [05:28:40] <Nightjar> EasyCo: yeah third party as you'd expect doesn't get updated much
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765: [05:29:36] <EasyCo> I rather just work off that one because certain modules such as userforms require the jquery that's in framework/thirdparty
766: [05:29:44] <simon_w|air> ss23, I guess?
767: [05:29:47] <ss23> simon_w|air: :D
768: [05:29:57] <EasyCo> and creates problems if I already have another jquery included as part of the template
769: [05:29:58] <simon_w|air> EasyCo, block and require your own
770: [05:31:32] <EasyCo> simon_w|air: I suppose I could do that
771: [05:31:40] <sam___> Nightjar: I dont know the problem lies
772: [05:31:43] <Nightjar> sam___: to get a relation from an object you just have to ->Relation Name()
773: [05:31:50] <sam___> the value is not showing
774: [05:31:59] <Nightjar> you don't have to do ->get_one('RelationName'
775: [05:32:10] <sam___> then?
776: [05:32:11] <Nightjar> sam___: have you tested that the value exists?
777: [05:32:15] <sam___> yes
778: [05:32:32] <Nightjar> then nothing, I'm pointing out that you can simplify your code, not how to fix your problem.
779: [05:32:57] <Nightjar> sam___: what is the definition of TextField_PopUp ?
780: [05:33:00] <sam___> http://planmytournament.com/listingpage/show/14449
781: [05:33:13] <sam___> there is a link edit all course info
782: [05:33:18] <ss23> hmmm
783: [05:33:19] * ss23 giggles
784: [05:33:32] <ss23> You can make fraudlent commits with git if they're not signed
785: [05:33:43] <ss23> I can be make it look like Pyromanik did a commit to my repo and said he's dumb
786: [05:33:43] * Nightjar wonders if ss23 is tickling himself
787: [05:33:46] <ss23> :D
788: [05:34:12] <Nightjar> ss23: well that'd be the point in signing them, wouldn't it?
789: [05:34:35] <Nightjar> or not allowing others access to the repo
790: [05:34:45] <ss23> Yeah, but I don't know anyone at all that signs their commits
791: [05:34:46] <Nightjar> ie, gitolite or something
792: [05:34:57] <Nightjar> I don't know anyone who signs anything
793: [05:35:08] <ss23> Hmm
794: [05:35:12] <ss23> Trying to think if I sign anything...
795: [05:35:13] <ss23> o.o
796: [05:35:14] <ss23> Nope.
797: [05:35:17] <spronk> pyro you playing summah hockeh this yeh?
798: [05:35:19] <ss23> I guess I should...
799: [05:35:22] <Nightjar> spronk: nah
800: [05:35:31] <spronk> :O
801: [05:35:40] <Nightjar> spronk: 2 fucked tendons or something. Dunno, should probably get them checked out.
802: [05:35:43] <spronk> D"
803: [05:35:45] <spronk> D:
804: [05:35:46] <ss23> lol
805: [05:35:55] <Nightjar> spronk: plus moving.
806: [05:35:57] <guzzlefry> wait what
807: [05:36:03] <guzzlefry> Nightjar: You're pryo?
808: [05:36:03] <spronk> you moving?
809: [05:36:13] <spronk> wherbouts?
810: [05:37:28] <ss23> England!
811: [05:37:36] <ss23> lol guzzlefry
812: [05:38:16] <guzzlefry> wait
813: [05:38:19] <guzzlefry> What's so funny?
814: [05:38:29] <Nightjar> pennies dropping
815: [05:38:36] <Nightjar> should pick them up, might be able to make a quarter
816: [05:38:45] <Nightjar> play you some streetfighter 2
817: [05:38:47] <spronk> :D
818: [05:39:00] <guzzlefry> ...
819: [05:39:28] <Nightjar> wtb: definition for "passive content"
820: [05:39:34] <guzzlefry> whatchu talkin' bout willis?
821: [05:42:07] <Nightjar> When a user visits an HTTPS page with Mixed Passive Content, Firefox will not block the passive content by default.
822: [05:43:05] <spronk> i think it just means static content i.e.
823: [05:43:05] <Nightjar> halp ss23, you're like secman
824: [05:43:06] <spronk> not js
825: [05:44:07] <Nightjar> 10 points for spronk
826: [05:44:09] <Nightjar> "Mixed Active Content (like scripts) and Mixed Passive Content (like images)"
827: [05:44:23] <Nightjar> https://blog.mozilla.org/security/2013/05/16/mixed-content-blocking-in-firefox-aurora/
828: [05:45:46] <Nightjar> hmm
829: [05:46:25] * Nightjar can't tell if the pungent smell coming from his dinner is the tuna he just added, or the 5 day old salad he added it to...
830: [05:46:47] <Nightjar> :<
831: [05:48:00] <irogue23> Parse error: syntax error, unexpected T_CONSTANT_ENCAPSED_STRING, expecting ')' in /var/www/vhosts/wildman.co.nz/httpdocs/framework/core/manifest/ConfigStaticManifest.php(333) : eval()'d code on line 1
832: [05:48:09] <irogue23> how does one figure out where that error *actually* is?
833: [05:48:24] <simon_w|air> Bitch at Hamish
834: [05:48:34] <guzzlefry> Look for an unmatched (?
835: [05:48:42] <simon_w|air> But you forgot a comma at the end of a line in an array
836: [05:48:54] <Nightjar> lol eval
837: [05:48:58] <Nightjar> irogue23: grep for eval
838: [05:49:10] <simon_w|air> Nightjar, ConfigStaticManifest
839: [05:49:30] <Nightjar> yeah, but I mean where in ConfigStaticManifest
840: [05:49:37] <simon_w|air> Line 333
841: [05:49:38] <Nightjar> can't be _too_ many in there, can there?
842: [05:49:48] <simon_w|air> But that doesn't help
843: [05:49:48] <Nightjar> see, that's where it's coming from irogue23!
844: [05:50:09] <Nightjar> sure it does, you at least know sorta kinda what the eval is for, thus what might be going into it...
845: [05:50:38] <Nightjar> simon_w|air But you forgot a comma at the end of a line in an array
846: [05:50:44] <Nightjar> but it seems like you already have it covered.
847: [05:50:52] <irogue23> mmmm
848: [05:50:57] <irogue23> will be in a module :(
849: [05:51:10] <Nightjar> OOOOOHAHAHAHAHHA
850: [05:51:13] <Nightjar> PNS FILE
851: [05:51:16] <Nightjar> ROFL WUT
852: [05:51:28] <irogue23> FOUND IT
853: [05:51:28] <Nightjar> PNS! XD
854: [05:51:34] <spronk> haha
855: [05:51:35] <spronk> pns file
856: [05:51:36] <spronk> nice
857: [05:51:51] <Nightjar> spronk: firefox -> options -> applications
858: [05:51:58] <spronk> HA
859: [05:52:05] <Nightjar> PNS file - Use NVIDIA 3D Vision (in Firefox)
860: [05:52:48] <irogue23> Nightjar: i'm upgrading that site Mint Designtards did
861: [05:52:55] <irogue23> dear. fucking. god.
862: [05:53:00] <spronk> lol
863: [05:53:02] <spronk> mint eh
864: [05:53:23] <Nightjar> irogue23: ikjr
865: [05:53:29] <Nightjar> NO FUCKING CLUES
866: [05:53:41] <irogue23> first problem i ran into
867: [05:53:46] <irogue23> instead of using userforms
868: [05:53:46] <Nightjar> nice to know nothing's changed in 3 years.
869: [05:53:48] <irogue23> they implemented their own
870: [05:53:50] <irogue23> HORRIBLY
871: [05:53:55] <irogue23> full of sqli
872: [05:54:22] <irogue23> userforms could've done exactly what they needed, but nope, gotta implement our own
873: [05:54:22] <Nightjar> yeah, when I first came onboard, I had to deal with templates including <form action="PostToFrom.php">
874: [05:54:49] <Nightjar> irogue23: more a case of not knowing userforms exists I'd say
875: [05:54:53] <Nightjar> or anything
876: [05:55:01] <irogue23> yeah, not knowing anything
877: [05:55:04] <spronk> yeesh
878: [05:55:16] <ss23> 43:31 < Nightjar> halp ss23, you're like secman
879: [05:55:18] <ss23> wat
880: [05:55:22] <spronk> yeah...
881: [05:55:22] <Nightjar> or paying some undergrad chob who knows nothing to do their work for them, and that undergrad chob getting a serious case of "not invented here"
882: [05:55:31] <spronk> most developers are seerriously shit
883: [05:55:41] <Nightjar> well, most web devs.
884: [05:56:03] <spronk> nah
885: [05:56:04] <spronk> most dev
886: [05:56:11] <spronk> i consider myself an average developer
887: [05:56:14] <Nightjar> I'd hope at least that most people with real degrees who managed to actually get into the industry (lol can't get hired without experience, how to get exp?) aren't so shit.
888: [05:56:14] <spronk> and
889: [05:56:23] <spronk> sooo many people are a lot worse than me
890: [05:56:25] <spronk> and this is sad.
891: [05:56:29] <Nightjar> spronk: I agree
892: [05:56:36] <Nightjar> I consider myself a know nothing
893: [05:56:40] <Nightjar> but I do know stuff.
894: [05:56:45] <ss23> WHAT YOU WANT, Nightjar ?!
895: [05:56:49] <ss23> I AM SECURITY MAN WHAT U WANT
896: [05:56:57] <Nightjar> ss23: you're like 230 hours too late dude.
897: [05:57:00] <spronk> HAX MYSITE FOR ME FIND BUGS PENETRATE TEST THE PNS FILE
898: [05:57:02] <ss23> soz.
899: [05:57:14] <Nightjar> spronk answered, and got 10 points.
900: [05:57:26] <spronk> smart spronk swooped in and swishly swaggled ten points.
901: [05:58:06] <ss23> :<
902: [05:59:18] <Nightjar> tentative spronk tackled the ... fuck... and took ten points.
903: [06:00:32] <spronk> tackled the tricky troubleshooting
904: [06:01:46] <Nightjar> troubleshot?
905: [06:01:50] <Nightjar> naw
906: [06:01:51] <Nightjar> :<
907: [06:02:58] <spronk> tackled the troublesome task
908: [06:03:08] <spronk> topic
909: [06:03:13] <Nightjar> ha! BOOM
910: [06:03:14] <spronk> troublesome topic
911: [06:03:21] <spronk> fuk yeh.
912: [06:03:30] <Nightjar> and to think I was just about to ask the internets
913: [06:07:02] <ss23> What the fuck, Google Music
914: [06:07:17] <ss23> I've listened to Opeth, Black Delhia Murder, Emery, Netsky
915: [06:07:25] * SightUnseen has joined #silverstripe
916: [06:07:29] <ss23> And the "recommendations" are fucking hiphop/pop/rap or whatever the fuck it is
917: [06:07:57] * sam___ quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)
918: [06:08:19] <Nightjar> because duh
919: [06:08:43] * SightUnseen has left #silverstripe
920: [06:09:10] <ss23> Ahhhh, much better :D
921: [06:09:16] <ss23> I picked a song and clicked "radio"
922: [06:09:17] <ss23> now it's better
923: [06:09:25] <ss23> Lots of Christian Metal, but still good
924: [06:09:53] <Nightjar> urgh
925: [06:10:01] <Nightjar> it's like an oxymoron :<
926: [06:10:22] <ss23> lol
927: [06:10:22] <ss23> Why?
928: [06:10:59] <ss23> Speaking of, new August Burns Red album
929: [06:11:00] <ss23> :D
930: [06:11:02] <guzzlefry> Are you saying Christians can't rock?!
931: [06:11:11] <guzzlefry> also
932: [06:11:22] <guzzlefry> ss23: Remember From Autumn to Ashes? :P
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934: [06:11:24] <Nightjar> I'm just saying that usually it's too happy for metal
935: [06:11:30] <Nightjar> Christians can rock
936: [06:11:31] <guci0> Hello!
937: [06:11:37] <Nightjar> but Christian Rock is usually something entirely different.
938: [06:11:41] <guzzlefry> ah
939: [06:11:48] <ss23> 19:11:49 < Nightjar> I'm just saying that usually it's too happy for metal
940: [06:11:49] <ss23> dude what
941: [06:12:07] <ss23> I mean
942: [06:12:09] <ss23> Emery happy I guess
943: [06:12:15] <ss23> August Burns Red, Underoath, not so much
944: [06:12:23] <ss23> Guess Emery is rock, not metal
945: [06:12:31] <Nightjar> ss23: well there's a big difference between a bunch of christians rocking out, and a rock band that sings about jesus.
946: [06:12:56] <ss23> If you're going to explicitly define "Christian metal" as "Christians making shit music", then sure, it sucks
947: [06:13:01] <Nightjar> I mean sure it's not all happy times. Some biblical based song is awesome.
948: [06:13:14] <Nightjar> ss23: well yeah.
949: [06:13:29] <Nightjar> otherwise the epithet "Christian" is pretty much totally unneeded.
950: [06:13:38] <ss23> >.>
951: [06:13:43] <ss23> That's really stupid, Nightjar
952: [06:14:00] <Nightjar> No it isn't.
953: [06:16:03] <ss23> Why?
954: [06:16:14] <ss23> You're going out of your way to claim that good Christian metal doesn't count as Christian
955: [06:16:17] <ss23> That makes no sense
956: [06:16:24] <ss23> You're using the word Christian to mean "good", not "Christian"?
957: [06:19:00] <Nightjar> I lost my shit at 1:12
958: [06:19:11] <Nightjar> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmB3KecuS9s
959: [06:19:46] <Nightjar> ss23: no, i'm using the word Christian to describe the subject of the song.
960: [06:23:08] <ss23> Nightjar: Then you're wrong when you said "19:13:21 < ss23> If you're going to explicitly define "Christian metal" as "Christians making shit music", then sure, it sucks" "19:13:39 < Nightjar> ss23: well yeah." you were wrong
961: [06:23:31] <ss23> Going back to my previous examples, there are lots of Christian metal (that is, metal that is both made by Christians, and often about God) that is good
962: [06:24:57] <Nightjar> 07:13 Nightjar I mean sure it's not all happy times. Some biblical based song is awesome.
963: [06:25:50] <ss23> You just said "yeah", that you think all "Christian metal" sucks
964: [06:26:00] <ss23> You also said Christian metal was an oxymoron
965: [06:26:02] <Nightjar> yeah, not saying there isn't, but more that my personal experience is that there isn't much out there that I've heard - most of what I've heard that I associate with the genre you're naming is not enjoyable to my ears.
966: [06:26:14] <ss23> Most people are stupid
967: [06:26:24] <Nightjar> no, I said "yeah" to "Christians making shit music"
968: [06:28:26] <Nightjar> FUUUUUUUUUUUUUU Colin[pi] - you prompted me to update firefox and now my f'n console doesn't work because it appears blocked by noscript.
969: [06:29:12] <simon_w|air> Yay, Firefox!
970: [06:29:52] <guzzlefry> graceful degradation bro
971: [06:30:21] <Nightjar> yay there are no more good browsers left in this world :(
972: [06:30:32] <ss23> Chrome 4 lyfe
973: [06:31:30] <guzzlefry> meh
974: [06:31:32] <guzzlefry> I'm fine with Firefox.
975: [06:31:48] <Nightjar> yeh, getting increasingly worse, but still firefox.
976: [06:31:58] <ss23> Some people are okay eating poop
977: [06:31:59] <ss23> :3
978: [06:34:09] <Nightjar> and some people like to be held down and have it force updated into them
979: [06:34:19] <guzzlefry> wait
980: [06:34:25] <guzzlefry> what's wrong with Firefox again?
981: [06:34:47] <guzzlefry> Because it sounds like your current issue is related with noscript. :P
982: [06:37:12] <Nightjar> it updated.
983: [06:37:34] <Nightjar> and removed the js option
984: [06:39:13] <guzzlefry> oh
985: [06:39:23] <guzzlefry> use chrome?
986: [06:39:36] <Nightjar> neg, that'd be worse.
987: [06:39:40] <guzzlefry> oh
988: [06:39:44] <guzzlefry> then fork it!
989: [06:40:03] <guzzlefry> Or ask them to stop breaking things.
990: [06:40:21] <simon_w|air> Like that's going to happen
991: [06:40:22] <guzzlefry> had lots of issues with Firefox 23 and it's sudden blocking of mixed content.
992: [06:40:37] <simon_w|air> This is the company that gave us JavaScript and <blink>
993: [06:40:37] <Nightjar> but that's a good thing
994: [06:40:41] <guzzlefry> even though we really shouldn't have been using an iframe in the first place. >_>
995: [06:40:53] <Nightjar> exactly
996: [06:41:01] <Nightjar> especially one that loads http when you're on an https connection
997: [06:41:11] <guzzlefry> yep...that's the one :P
998: [06:41:23] <guzzlefry> I wasn't really the one who did it though.
999: [06:41:28] <Nightjar> zomg, Army of Darkness 2
1000: [06:41:32] <Nightjar> <#
1001: [06:41:35] <Nightjar> <3
1002: [06:41:45] <guzzlefry> hrm
1003: [06:41:48] <Nightjar> but... Bruce is old and... larger... now.
1004: [06:41:58] <Nightjar> Will be interesting!
1005: [06:42:00] <guzzlefry> What do the blue entries in /dev/build's output signify?
1006: [06:42:19] <simon_w|air> changes
1007: [06:42:31] <guzzlefry> They seem to be changes for things I haven't changed. :P
1008: [06:42:35] <guzzlefry> Index TaxProfile.State: changed to unique (StateID) (from unique ("StateID"))
1009: [06:42:39] <guzzlefry> Like that...
1010: [06:44:40] <Nightjar> guzzlefry: because enum
1011: [06:44:53] <guzzlefry> oh...
1012: [06:44:59] <Nightjar> something to do with the subtle differences between "Blah" and Blah
1013: [06:45:00] <guzzlefry> makes sense...I think.
1014: [06:45:03] <guzzlefry> ah
1015: [06:46:55] <ss23> guzzlefry: It's annoying, but known issue
1016: [06:47:03] <ss23> Another thing is "updated default from 1.00 to 1"
1017: [06:47:09] <ss23> SAME NUMBER DAMMIT SILVERSTRIPE
1018: [06:47:18] <guzzlefry> :P
1019: [06:47:35] <guzzlefry> Are custom CSV import methods difficult?
1020: [06:47:55] <guzzlefry> The default might work, but I have a feeling that the client is going to screw something up. :P
1021: [06:49:35] <ss23> Worked good fo rme
1022: [06:49:35] <ss23> :)
1023: [06:49:59] <guzzlefry> BUT CLIENTS!
1024: [06:51:54] <Nightjar> CSV import is terribad.
1025: [06:51:59] <Nightjar> PHP times out and stuff.
1026: [06:52:12] <guzzlefry> heh
1027: [06:52:19] <guzzlefry> I had another client doing an export....
1028: [06:52:26] <guzzlefry> 6000 members
1029: [06:52:34] <guzzlefry> had to up the PHP memory limit to 256MB :P
1030: [06:54:24] <Nightjar> heh
1031: [06:55:16] <ss23> had a userform that got spammed
1032: [06:55:24] <ss23> was trying to load ~100k entries in the CMS
1033: [06:55:25] <ss23> it died
1034: [06:55:25] <ss23> :<
1035: [06:55:34] <ss23> Think it was 512mb before we decided to just fix the bug...
1036: [06:58:22] <Nightjar> ss23: haha, yeh, I've had that many times.
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1040: [07:19:07] <ss23> ajshort: Did you get notifications about the patches on Github, by the way?
1041: [07:19:12] <ajshort> Yep
1042: [07:19:18] <ss23> ajshort: Like, from github themselves?
1043: [07:19:31] <ss23> ajshort: Cause if so, that means you could fairly easily get Github to spam people! Fake commits with their email, etc
1044: [07:19:34] <ss23> :D
1045: [07:20:01] <ajshort> Not 100% sure, I'm a committer to that repo so I get all pull requests
1046: [07:20:13] <ss23> ah yep
1047: [07:20:24] <ajshort> but yeah, they had problems with people creating fake repositories and then re-assigning like 100000 repositories to other people and things like that
1048: [07:20:49] <ss23> :O
1049: [07:20:50] <ss23> Fun
1050: [07:20:51] <ss23> :D
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1053: [07:54:05] <Nightjar> urgh jobs and recruiters spamming the fuck out of buzzwords
1054: [07:54:31] <Nightjar> "Web Designer / Developer HTML CSS PHP Photoshop"
1055: [07:55:15] <ss23> lol
1056: [07:55:22] <ss23> I'm not so sure any of those are really buzzwords, generally
1057: [07:55:22] <ss23> :P
1058: [07:55:36] <Nightjar> yeah, they're not, but they're using them as if they were
1059: [07:55:54] <ss23> yeah, ik what oyu mean
1060: [07:55:54] <ss23> :D
1061: [07:56:02] <Nightjar> like "Exciting job in Agriculture, Farms, Animals, Fences, Grass!"
1062: [07:57:46] <ss23> Time to get ready to go home!
1063: [07:57:53] <Nightjar> hahahaha, this one is fucking classic
1064: [07:57:55] <Nightjar> "PHP/MySQL Developer (We have also worked with Posh & Becks)"
1065: [07:58:03] <ss23> What is Posh and Becks?
1066: [07:58:08] <ss23> Also, what is this for, Nightjar?! :O
1067: [07:58:14] <simon_w|air> Sporty Spice and her husband
1068: [07:58:21] <ss23> oic
1069: [07:58:21] <ss23> lol
1070: [07:58:33] <simon_w|air> Wait, Posh Spice
1071: [07:58:39] <simon_w|air> Hence Posh
1072: [07:58:39] <ss23> yeah, that makes sense
1073: [07:58:46] <ss23> I was just thinking "oh a spice girl"
1074: [07:58:52] <ss23> You know, they could've been like
1075: [07:58:53] <Nightjar> omfg, it reads on like an Indian "outsource to me" ad!
1076: [07:58:54] <Nightjar> hahah
1077: [07:58:55] <Nightjar> PHP/MySQL Developer - Programmer (We have worked with David and Victoria Beckham - Plus you can work from the comfort of your own home with no travelling expenses.
1078: [07:58:55] <Nightjar> Very Important Please Read
1079: [07:58:55] <Nightjar> We advise you to read the whole of this advert as you will be surprised to know we have worked with David & Victoria Beckham and plan to move back into the record industry. To see what we did for them, please read on. Only very good programmers wanted. If you are talented then your prospects with our company are unmatched.
1080: [07:59:33] <Nightjar> No, actually, I'm not surprised. By the time you've told me I'll be surprised, you've already mentioned it no less than three times.
1081: [07:59:39] <ss23> lol
1082: [07:59:43] <ss23> I'm surprised it somehow matters
1083: [08:00:53] <Nightjar> yeah
1084: [08:01:02] <Nightjar> oh, it makes sense now. It's a giant scam
1085: [08:01:09] <Nightjar> Claims company
1086: [08:01:20] <Nightjar> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wV0FvpTe_8
1087: [08:02:01] <Nightjar> rofl, 1min 20, only talks for 37 seconds.
1088: [08:02:44] <Nightjar> AH!
1089: [08:02:50] <Nightjar> it's the UK equiv of MyTax
1090: [08:03:03] <Nightjar> "pay us to do something you can easily do online yourself at the IRD website!"
1091: [08:03:18] <Nightjar> ps, all our terms are in the fine print, which we know you won't read properly
1092: [08:03:49] <Nightjar> bahahahah "txtwin limited"
1093: [08:03:54] <Nightjar> lol terribads.
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1095: [08:04:37] <Nightjar> hahahah
1096: [08:04:46] <Nightjar> and the job is to develop a website for posh to sell albums on.
1097: [08:04:47] <Nightjar> wtf lol
1098: [08:05:14] <Nightjar> hey kinglozzer, fancy a laugh?
1099: [08:05:15] <Nightjar> http://www.reed.co.uk/jobs/php-mysql-developer-we-have-also-worked-with-posh-becks/23707395
1100: [08:05:35] <kinglozzer> Hahahaha
1101: [08:05:38] <kinglozzer> Sold.
1102: [08:05:49] <Nightjar> read the whole thing, it just gets better and better
1103: [08:06:01] <simon_w|air> Colin[pi], I see the fire by Lake George has gone, so people had to have some crashes instead
1104: [08:07:25] <kinglozzer> "When you view it please make sure you turn your speakers up and listen to Victoria’s voice which was all recorded at their property Beckingham Palace."
1105: [08:07:41] <kinglozzer> ...
1106: [08:07:46] <Nightjar> ikr
1107: [08:07:50] <Nightjar> amazeballs
1108: [08:07:51] <simon_w|air> In LA...
1109: [08:08:24] <Nightjar> fuck this one is a gem "Web Apprenticeship!"
1110: [08:08:38] <Nightjar> aka, we'll pay you fuck all and 'teach' you how to use wordderp.
1111: [08:09:10] <Nightjar> oxymoronically it also lists that you must have experience with frameworks like laravael, but then lists drupal immediately under it.
1112: [08:09:26] <Nightjar> wordderp and droopel. DERP DERP DERP
1113: [08:09:30] <Nightjar> no thx
1114: [08:10:47] <Nightjar> "Applicants MUST hold GCSE?s in English and Maths at grade C or above, or equivalent."
1115: [08:11:04] <Nightjar> I think they should go back and look up the definition of >=
1116: [08:12:02] <Nightjar> urgh recruiters. "location: North East" ... "My client is a leading blah blah IN LONDON"
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1119: [08:13:23] <ss23> HOME TIME I THINK
1120: [08:13:35] <Nightjar> rofl, who names themselves Media Core?
1121: [08:13:43] <Nightjar> looks like Mediocre.
1122: [08:15:03] <simon_w|air> BED TIME I THINK
1123: [08:20:07] <Nightjar> kinglozzer: man, web dev is a bit of a farce in the UK eh?
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1125: [08:22:26] <kinglozzer> Nightjar: Not so much web dev, though there are a lot of companies doing £300 wordderp sites, more recruiters as you're finding out :P
1126: [08:23:14] <Nightjar> kinglozzer: seems like "Industry leaders" that I've found via a google search (not recruiters, they're derp in every country) - so far the best I've found was one using werdderp and one using the j-word.
1127: [08:23:26] <Nightjar> sadly, these were the best looking ones :<
1128: [08:23:28] <kinglozzer> If I were you, I'd build a list of companies local to you that don't look terrible, then just send a CV to all of them directly
1129: [08:23:42] <Nightjar> yeh, it's what I'm looking at
1130: [08:23:53] <Nightjar> is that OK? some people get a bit mad about it.
1131: [08:25:22] <Nightjar> I wonder if I can get an agency to convert from the dark side to SS :P
1132: [08:28:23] <kinglozzer> Nighjar: Nah companies shouldn't get mad about receiveing a CV
1133: [08:28:35] <Nightjar> cool
1134: [08:28:53] <kinglozzer> Most won't reply, but they'll usually keep them and contact you if a job comes up
1135: [08:29:03] <kinglozzer> I got my job by emailing my CV
1136: [08:30:42] <Nightjar> cool, ta
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1138: [08:30:45] <travis-ci> [travis-ci] silverstripe/silverstripe-cms#619 (master - da1a875 : Ingo Schommer): The build was fixed.
1139: [08:30:45] <travis-ci> [travis-ci] Change view : https://github.com/silverstripe/silverstripe-cms/compare/50a48aa25dfd...da1a875c4fbf
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1142: [08:30:54] <Nightjar> here it's more of a bin and forget kinda deal :<
1143: [08:33:14] <irogue23> Nightjar: there's a few SS shops over there, should hit all of them up
1144: [08:35:57] <Nightjar> irogue23: yeh I know, but not so much where I'm headed.
1145: [08:38:45] <irogue23> ah, ghey
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1147: [08:38:51] <Nightjar> yups
1148: [08:39:03] <Nightjar> just found a filthy j-word peddler
1149: [08:39:11] <Nightjar> seem to be about the best in the area
1150: [08:39:27] <Nightjar> although there's a place that looks like it might be about 600m from where I'll probably be living
1151: [08:39:37] <kinglozzer> j = jo... jooo.... joooom...? Nope, can't bring myself to type it
1152: [08:40:05] <irogue23> yeah, that bad word
1153: [08:40:27] <kinglozzer> The CMS which must not be named
1154: [08:41:11] <Nightjar> indeed.
1155: [08:41:25] <Nightjar> I feel as though I should try to work there in order to convert them from the dark side.
1156: [08:41:51] <Nightjar> oh it takes you 67 hours to make a website that gets hacked by a bot every 3 days?
1157: [08:41:57] <Nightjar> lol, watch dis
1158: [08:42:26] * Nightjar set a bar for 8.5 hours once
1159: [08:42:33] <Nightjar> way back when I still wrote everything from scratch
1160: [08:42:41] <Nightjar> (using SS as a base, of course)
1161: [08:44:11] <Nightjar> "We have taken care to ensure that the site's font and background colour combinations contrast significantly"
1162: [08:44:13] <Nightjar> rofl
1163: [08:44:26] <Nightjar> it's #FFF on #000 bg.
1164: [08:45:16] <Nightjar> and proceeds to talk about IE7 and FF2
1165: [08:45:21] <Nightjar> not sure if current...
1166: [08:47:47] <Nightjar> shit, .asp
1167: [08:47:48] <Nightjar> wtf
1168: [08:48:43] <Nightjar> urgh
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1174: [08:57:13] <kinglozzer> Anyone know of an A/B testing SilverStripe module? I found https://github.com/silverstripe-labs/silverstripe-abtesting but it hasn't been updated in 3 years
1175: [08:58:59] <Nightjar> I think I've seen it before
1176: [08:59:05] <Nightjar> but a/b testing is a bit shit for UX
1177: [08:59:10] <Nightjar> on a live site
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1179: [09:03:17] <irogue23> my inclination would be to just have two themes, and in your config throw a randomiser around the theme selection (obv storing it in session/cookie so the same user gets the same theme next time)
1180: [09:03:40] <kinglozzer> Yeah I was thinking about just building it from scratch, shouldn't be too tricky
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1200: [09:28:32] <micmania1> kinglozzer, you about?
1201: [09:28:39] <kinglozzer> Yeah
1202: [09:28:49] <micmania1> RE: https://github.com/silverstripe/silverstripe-cms/issues/878
1203: [09:29:30] <micmania1> I think what causes it is if the UploadField is too close to the bottom of the browser window
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1210: [09:30:39] <micmania1> I quick hack you could try is opening your console in the same window giving the uploadfield very little height
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1212: [09:31:41] <kinglozzer> micmania1: It still doesn't happen for me
1213: [09:31:43] <spronk2> FUCK YOU SS23
1214: [09:31:44] <kinglozzer> Browser/OS ?
1215: [09:31:50] <spronk2> DON'T SWEAR ON MY LAST.FM PAGE :p
1216: [09:32:04] <micmania1> I was using Windows 8 (sorry) & the latest version of chrome
1217: [09:32:11] <micmania1> I don't have it to hand atm
1218: [09:32:55] <Pyromanik> spronk: internet radios, srs biznus
1219: [09:33:00] <spronk2> :D
1220: [09:33:25] <ss23> 22:32:09 < spronk2> FUCK YOU SS23
1221: [09:33:27] <ss23> DUDE WHAT
1222: [09:33:29] <micmania1> I was using my blog module at the time and uploaded the featured image: https://github.com/micmania1/silverstripe-blogger
1223: [09:33:30] <ss23> FUCK YOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
1224: [09:33:36] <Pyromanik> YOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
1225: [09:33:41] <Pyromanik> solja boi
1226: [09:33:47] <spronk2> YEEE HAW
1227: [09:33:48] <spronk2> :P
1228: [09:33:52] <spronk2> you swore on my last.fm
1229: [09:33:53] <spronk2> said
1230: [09:33:54] <spronk2> drupal
1231: [09:33:59] <Pyromanik> rofl
1232: [09:34:01] <spronk2> I CAN'T BE ASSOCIATED WITH THAT SHIT MAN
1233: [09:34:01] <Pyromanik> dude
1234: [09:34:05] <Pyromanik> srs?
1235: [09:34:08] <Pyromanik> SHUNS
1236: [09:34:18] <ss23> 22:34:18 < spronk2> you swore on my last.fm
1237: [09:34:20] <ss23> ahahha
1238: [09:34:25] <ss23> It was to match the comment before it!
1239: [09:34:35] <Pyromanik> gawd, looking at degrees I wish I had.
1240: [09:34:40] <Pyromanik> SUX2BEME
1241: [09:34:40] <spronk2> :'(
1242: [09:34:41] <ss23> http://www.last.fm/user/spronkey @ Pyromanik
1243: [09:34:43] <spronk2> eh?
1244: [09:34:44] <ss23> >degrees
1245: [09:34:45] <ss23> lol
1246: [09:34:56] <ss23> spronk2: They match, the 2 comments that are there now
1247: [09:35:27] <spronk2> I KNOW
1248: [09:35:28] <spronk2> :P
1249: [09:35:28] <spronk2> i just needed to do some capitals
1250: [09:35:28] <spronk2> and use some swearing words
1251: [09:35:51] <Pyromanik> CAPS LOCK DAT HO
1252: [09:38:16] <Pyromanik> degrees always look so fun right up until the last year when they specialise hard and focus on some bullshit you don't care about.
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1258: [09:38:52] <Pyromanik> Also, degree in the uk, 6 courses at 2 lectures a week. DUDE WTF.
1259: [09:39:23] <Pyromanik> Equiv. degree in NZ: 12 courses at 4 lectures a week.
1260: [09:39:33] <Pyromanik> per year
1261: [09:39:43] <Pyromanik> in first year
1262: [09:40:14] <Pyromanik> 40% pass level, here it's pretty much more like 60%.
1263: [09:40:32] <Pyromanik> I just don't it.
1264: [09:43:17] <spronk2> that's absurd
1265: [09:43:25] <spronk2> also, pyro, you moving ?
1266: [09:43:29] <Pyromanik> yus
1267: [09:43:45] <spronk2> whereto?
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1269: [09:43:55] <Pyromanik> UK
1270: [09:43:58] <spronk2> woo
1271: [09:44:00] <spronk2> whenbouts?
1272: [09:44:07] <Pyromanik> December
1273: [09:44:10] <spronk2> ayeee
1274: [09:44:15] <Pyromanik> aye.
1275: [09:44:15] <spronk2> got a job lined up?
1276: [09:44:18] <Pyromanik> nup
1277: [09:44:19] <spronk2> :D
1278: [09:44:21] <Pyromanik> :S
1279: [09:44:32] <spronk2> perm thing or travelling?
1280: [09:44:39] <Pyromanik> travells
1281: [09:44:42] <Pyromanik> don't qualify for perm.
1282: [09:44:46] <spronk2> mm
1283: [09:44:49] <Pyromanik> HAIR IS CURLY ENOUGH BRO
1284: [09:44:53] <spronk2> hahaha
1285: [09:46:17] <spronk2> nice
1286: [09:46:17] <Pyromanik> http://www.carlosdetoro.com/born-en/
1287: [09:46:20] <Pyromanik> sexy
1288: [09:46:32] <Pyromanik> yeah well it'd be better if I knew I had work.
1289: [09:46:41] <Pyromanik> I see that Ubisoft is based there and are hiring
1290: [09:47:04] <Pyromanik> REQUIERD; LIKE 70 YEARS EXPERIENCES MAKING 3D ENGINES
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1296: [09:47:13] <Pyromanik> :<
1297: [09:47:14] <spronk2> go work for clearleft
1298: [09:47:20] <spronk2> haha :(
1299: [09:47:20] <Pyromanik> sut
1300: [09:47:42] <Pyromanik> did opera 15 catch up to being not shit yet?
1301: [09:47:45] <Pyromanik> ie, opera 17
1302: [09:47:47] <Pyromanik> ?
1303: [09:48:00] <spronk2> hmm
1304: [09:48:01] <spronk2> not sure
1305: [09:48:02] <spronk2> don't think so
1306: [09:48:06] <spronk2> well
1307: [09:48:07] <spronk2> tbh
1308: [09:48:17] <spronk2> it's not bad, probably just as good as chrome in either case
1309: [09:48:20] <Pyromanik> I fear if I download 15 then I'll lose 12 :(
1310: [09:48:31] <Pyromanik> <3 12
1311: [09:48:40] <spronk2> mm
1312: [09:48:43] <spronk2> you can run both sidebyside
1313: [09:48:49] <Pyromanik> oh yeah?
1314: [09:48:52] <spronk2> ja
1315: [09:48:55] <spronk2> completely sep
1316: [09:48:58] <Pyromanik> sweet
1317: [09:49:03] <Pyromanik> jsut install to dif folder?
1318: [09:49:15] <Pyromanik> doesnt' try to hijack AppDatas or sometihng?
1319: [09:49:32] <Pyromanik> Because I tried that when I moved from FF3 to FF4
1320: [09:49:35] <Pyromanik> and it was terribad
1321: [09:50:57] <irogue23> opera is basically the chromiums
1322: [09:51:09] <irogue23> i.e. Chrome without any closed-source google stuff
1323: [09:51:19] <irogue23> downside is that means you miss out on their built-in flash player, and the PDF viewer
1324: [09:52:21] * Pyromanik opens FF3
1325: [09:52:24] <Pyromanik> omfg, lol
1326: [09:53:13] <spronk2> yeah, it's fine
1327: [09:53:57] <Pyromanik> irogue23: oh, the chrome flash is rev-eng'd by google?
1328: [09:55:15] <irogue23> licensed from adobe
1329: [09:56:19] <Pyromanik> ah so just the same old adobe pos.
1330: [09:56:41] <irogue23> yeah, just embedded in such a way that it can be process-seperated etc.
1331: [09:56:50] <irogue23> i.e. sandboxed
1332: [09:57:14] <Pyromanik> ah
1333: [09:57:26] <irogue23> i'm still using opera, but i do miss those features occasionally
1334: [09:57:44] <irogue23> but i'm in a bit of a "don't trust google" phase at the moment, so i'm trying to hold out
1335: [09:57:56] <Pyromanik> wait what?
1336: [09:58:01] <Pyromanik> that wasn't spronk who said that
1337: [09:58:13] <Pyromanik> google's biggest fan?
1338: [09:58:15] <Pyromanik> but
1339: [09:58:17] <Pyromanik> what
1340: [09:58:23] <irogue23> ?
1341: [09:58:31] <Pyromanik> I thought you were a chrome lover
1342: [09:58:40] <Pyromanik> like ss23
1343: [09:58:55] <irogue23> nah, was just the best option of what we had
1344: [09:58:56] <Pyromanik> I think he'd marry the chrome if he could
1345: [09:59:16] <irogue23> now i can use the superiority of the chromium without Googleness
1346: [09:59:20] <irogue23> win-win
1347: [09:59:24] <Pyromanik> :D
1348: [09:59:39] <Pyromanik> so opera15 not sandboxed?
1349: [10:00:08] <irogue23> yeah, it is, just not the flash
1350: [10:00:17] <irogue23> uses the normal system flash player, like FF and IE do
1351: [10:00:33] <Pyromanik> ah
1352: [10:00:42] <Pyromanik> see I get around that by not installing flash.
1353: [10:00:44] <irogue23> so all flash runs within one process, technically outside of all of the browser tab sandboxes
1354: [10:01:22] <irogue23> lol yeah
1355: [10:02:01] <irogue23> they finally fixed the bug i reported in the latest release
1356: [10:02:12] <irogue23> ctrl+enter in location bar didn't work
1357: [10:02:28] <irogue23> which it has in every browser since like netscape 3 days
1358: [10:03:47] <irogue23> FYI, this extension exists: https://addons.opera.com/en/extensions/details/download-chrome-extension-9/?display=en
1359: [10:04:00] <spronk2> bleh
1360: [10:04:02] <spronk2> chromium is annoying as fuck
1361: [10:04:27] <irogue23> meh
1362: [10:04:29] <irogue23> i *want* to like FF
1363: [10:04:33] <irogue23> but it keeps letting me down
1364: [10:04:45] <irogue23> still seems memory leaky, esp since i regularly have 40+ tabs open
1365: [10:04:46] <spronk2> yeah...
1366: [10:04:48] <spronk2> its so slow
1367: [10:04:52] <spronk2> and if you use firebug
1368: [10:04:55] <spronk2> oh my god.
1369: [10:04:56] <irogue23> yeah
1370: [10:05:03] <irogue23> lack of decent built-in inspector
1371: [10:05:03] <spronk2> it just grinds to a halt after a couple of hours
1372: [10:05:08] <irogue23> webkit inspector SO GOOD
1373: [10:05:19] <spronk2> don't get me wrong, firebug got me through many years of web dev
1374: [10:05:22] <irogue23> same
1375: [10:05:24] <spronk2> but…… dragonfly wins now.
1376: [10:05:37] <irogue23> also, lack of process seperation in FF
1377: [10:05:40] <irogue23> really really irks me
1378: [10:05:42] <irogue23> even IE has that
1379: [10:06:06] <irogue23> got 50 tabs open, one of the has some dodgyness and crashes, WHOLE BROWSER GONE
1380: [10:06:29] <spronk2> yeah..
1381: [10:06:39] <irogue23> they're just so far behind now
1382: [10:06:51] <irogue23> i <3 Mozilla as an organisation, and what they stand for etc
1383: [10:07:48] <irogue23> but i used FF exclusively on my home PC for 3 months and at the end of it i just had to go back to something webkit
1384: [10:08:08] <irogue23> (hence opera, cos fuck google)
1385: [10:08:29] <Pyromanik> fuck buzzfeed.
1386: [10:08:38] <spronk2> lol?
1387: [10:08:52] <Pyromanik> they REQUIRE JS to load their images.
1388: [10:08:56] <spronk2> daang
1389: [10:09:09] <Pyromanik> the images all load with src=somebullshittrans.png
1390: [10:09:29] <Pyromanik> then use js to take the rel:bf_image_src FROM THE SAME ELEMENT and plonk it in the src.
1391: [10:09:34] <Pyromanik> so fuck that.
1392: [10:09:39] <Pyromanik> noscript holding strong
1393: [10:09:40] <Pyromanik> Array.prototype.forEach.call(document.querySelectorAll('img.bf_dom'),function(v,i,a){v.src=v.getAttribute('rel:bf_image_src')})
1394: [10:09:47] <Pyromanik> in mozilla's dev tool
1395: [10:09:59] <Pyromanik> huzzah, images. BECAUSE FUCK YOU BUZZFEED
1396: [10:10:51] <irogue23> Pyromanik: rofl, thats a stupid way to try to stop image theft/hotlinking
1397: [10:10:59] <irogue23> in fact, *trying* is stupid
1398: [10:12:41] <spronk2> argh
1399: [10:12:42] <spronk2> i've got a fucking
1400: [10:12:43] <spronk2> rewrite loop
1401: [10:13:11] <Pyromanik> irogue23: nah, it'll be to enforce JS to be on, so they can measure all your stats
1402: [10:13:19] <Pyromanik> yankies love that shit
1403: [10:13:50] <Pyromanik> same reason the cunts put one 6 paragraph article on 4 pages.
1404: [10:14:47] <Pyromanik> hey dickcheeses, people don't have an objection to long copy, they have an objection to tedious user interactions and more ads than content.
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1411: [10:22:24] <spronk2> fucking htaccess and mod_rewrite
1412: [10:24:25] <spronk2> http://pastebin.com/sT6Dm5dE
1413: [10:24:28] <spronk2> anyone got any ideas?
1414: [10:25:53] <spronk2> it just keeps building up the damn url, but… why!?
1415: [10:26:32] <Pyromanik> try using capturing parens and referencing that way instead of %1 ?
1416: [10:27:14] <spronk2> hmm
1417: [10:27:56] <Pyromanik> oh, or just use F flag
1418: [10:28:08] <Pyromanik> or is it L
1419: [10:28:48] <Pyromanik> yeah it's probably L
1420: [10:28:51] <Pyromanik> idk
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1427: [10:34:20] <spronk2> hrmm
1428: [10:34:24] <spronk2> this is basically a default ss config :S
1429: [10:38:05] <ss23> 22:59:22 < Pyromanik> I think he'd marry the chrome if he could
1430: [10:38:10] <ss23> I'd marry the best browser
1431: [10:38:16] <ss23> That just happens to be Chrome
1432: [10:38:28] <Pyromanik> sif
1433: [10:38:36] <Pyromanik> spronk: apache 2.4?
1434: [10:38:45] <spronk> 2.2
1435: [10:39:01] <spronk> if chrome is the best browser
1436: [10:39:03] <spronk> it's a sorry fucking lot
1437: [10:39:20] <Pyromanik> spronk2: nfi what's going on then :<
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1441: [11:17:28] <kinglozzer> Anyone running Mavericks? Any issues?
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1451: [12:40:37] <spronk> hmm
1452: [12:40:47] <spronk> how can i find out ss version if all i have is a database dump, and a live site url..
1453: [12:45:43] <Zauberfisch23> spronk: see if there are plaintext passwords in the dump
1454: [12:45:48] <Zauberfisch23> if so, use one to login
1455: [12:46:00] <Zauberfisch23> in the admin you should see the version
1456: [12:47:37] <Zauberfisch23> also, you can look at the html output of the site
1457: [12:47:52] <Zauberfisch23> there are several indicators that might point towards a version
1458: [12:48:28] <Zauberfisch23> like for example:
1459: [12:48:43] <Zauberfisch23> - if there is prototype.js included, its probably 2.x
1460: [12:49:17] <Zauberfisch23> - if you find <script type="text/javascript">Behaviour.register({ in the html, then its probably 2.x
1461: [12:49:32] <spronk> mm
1462: [12:50:35] <Zauberfisch23> also, you can check the thirdparty software
1463: [12:50:54] <Zauberfisch23> like jquery
1464: [12:51:01] <Zauberfisch23> and then check when silvertripe updated to that jquery
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1466: [12:51:55] <spronk> thaat's a good thought
1467: [12:52:15] <spronk> bah
1468: [12:52:39] <spronk> no form js included on /security/login
1469: [12:53:12] <Zauberfisch23> are there any JS files included? like prototype or so?
1470: [12:53:26] <Zauberfisch23> if they are in the folder /jsparty/ then its 2.3
1471: [12:53:27] <spronk> nope
1472: [12:53:28] <spronk> only one combined.js
1473: [12:53:48] <Zauberfisch23> the combined file should show the file paths inside
1474: [12:53:49] <Zauberfisch23> open it
1475: [12:54:09] <spronk> all themes files :(
1476: [12:54:10] <spronk> jq 1.6.1..
1477: [12:54:11] <spronk> hmm
1478: [12:54:20] <Zauberfisch23> spronk: what path is it?
1479: [12:54:27] <Zauberfisch23> is it jsparty or sapphire/thirdparty?
1480: [12:54:41] <spronk> /themes/Base/js :(
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1482: [12:55:48] <Zauberfisch23> all the files? :O
1483: [12:55:55] <spronk> jup
1484: [12:55:56] <spronk> only 3 includes
1485: [12:56:01] <spronk> no base ss stuff
1486: [12:56:18] <Zauberfisch23> well
1487: [12:56:24] <Zauberfisch23> open: sapphire/thirdparty/simplepie/README.txt
1488: [12:56:49] <spronk> page nto found
1489: [12:56:49] <spronk> hmm
1490: [12:56:57] <Zauberfisch23> then open
1491: [12:57:00] <Zauberfisch23> sapphire/thirdparty/jquery/jquery.js
1492: [12:57:15] <spronk> neg
1493: [12:57:16] <spronk> but
1494: [12:57:21] <spronk> framework/tp/jq/jq.js works
1495: [12:57:30] <spronk> so its 3.something, presumably
1496: [12:57:36] <Zauberfisch23> tp?
1497: [12:57:44] <spronk> thirdparty/jquery/jquery.js
1498: [12:57:56] <spronk> and its 1.7.2
1499: [12:58:21] <spronk> which comes with 3.0.5 i think
1500: [12:58:46] <Zauberfisch23> https://github.com/silverstripe/silverstripe-framework/blob/2.4/thirdparty/jquery/jquery.js
1501: [12:58:53] <Zauberfisch23> 2.4 has 1.4.2
1502: [12:59:02] <spronk> mm
1503: [12:59:45] <spronk> ugh
1504: [12:59:46] <Zauberfisch23> 3.0 has 1.7.2
1505: [12:59:47] <spronk> not this again
1506: [12:59:49] <spronk> Cannot redeclare non static PHPUnit_Framework_TestCase::$dependencies as static SapphireTest::$dependencies in
1507: [13:00:00] <spronk> i really need to start using a different vm for my lamp stuff...
1508: [13:00:14] <Zauberfisch23> spronk: yes you should do that!
1509: [13:00:21] <Zauberfisch23> whats your github name?
1510: [13:00:24] <spronk> spronkey
1511: [13:00:53] <spronk> bloody ubuntu 10.04 lts vm
1512: [13:00:59] <spronk> phpunit version is that dodgy version that had issues.
1513: [13:02:28] <spronk> oo
1514: [13:02:32] <Zauberfisch23> spronk: welcome to the closed pre alpha :P
1515: [13:02:44] <Zauberfisch23> pre alpha prototype
1516: [13:02:45] <spronk> :D
1517: [13:02:55] <Zauberfisch23> anyway, it sortof works
1518: [13:02:56] * spronk will check this out once mavericks finishes downloading
1519: [13:03:26] <Zauberfisch23> in future all you need to do is:
1520: [13:03:41] <Zauberfisch23> $ git clone .... spronks-website
1521: [13:03:46] <Zauberfisch23> $ cd spronks-website
1522: [13:03:50] <Zauberfisch23> $ vagarant up
1523: [13:04:04] <Zauberfisch23> and you have a new ubuntu VM with a fresh silverstripe install
1524: [13:04:11] <Zauberfisch23> and phpmyadmin
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1526: [13:04:28] <spronk> nice
1527: [13:04:34] <Zauberfisch23> then just open 127.0.0.1:8080 in your browser
1528: [13:04:42] <Zauberfisch23> that forwards to your VM
1529: [13:05:10] <spronk> or.. 80?
1530: [13:05:15] <spronk> oh
1531: [13:05:19] <spronk> vagrant does osme crazy stuff
1532: [13:05:41] <Zauberfisch23> 127.0.0.1:8080 -> the.ip.of.vm:80
1533: [13:05:48] <spronk> yeah..
1534: [13:06:45] <Zauberfisch23> one note though: if you destroy your VM, you will loose the DB, so be careful not to store important info there, or keep backups of the db
1535: [13:07:13] <spronk> mm
1536: [13:07:21] <spronk> i'll probably mod it to use a centralised db serv
1537: [13:08:45] * spronk really needs to configure vagrant..
1538: [13:09:29] <Zauberfisch23> spronk: happy to accept pull requests, as long as I like what they do
1539: [13:09:37] <spronk> :)
1540: [13:11:17] <Zauberfisch23> also note, there is a repository config in my vagrant VM, but thats not working properly yet
1541: [13:12:06] <chillu> kinglozzer: You're on fire today ;)
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1543: [13:18:20] <blueman> Working with MAMP and need to manually empty a sites cache. Could anyone tell me where the cache dir is and/or what dir name I should be looking for?
1544: [13:20:59] <Zauberfisch23> blueman: easiest way is to create a folder named silverstripe-cache
1545: [13:21:06] <Zauberfisch23> silverstripe then will use that as a cache folder
1546: [13:21:34] <blueman> great, ty. will give that a shot!
1547: [13:21:51] <kinglozzer> chillu: Haha, blame clients - waiting for everything to come in! Next week will probably be hell :P
1548: [13:22:23] <kinglozzer> Sitting around waiting atm
1549: [13:22:41] <chillu> Well, of you're bored, there's a few SS issues in the queue … :D
1550: [13:23:30] <kinglozzer> There's always something in the queue! I have to choose things I understand enough about though :D
1551: [13:32:05] <chillu> kinglozzer: You could choose from here? https://github.com/silverstripe/silverstripe-framework/issues?labels=easy&page=1&state=open
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1560: [13:41:49] <spronk> guys
1561: [13:42:06] <spronk> toDropownMap on a HasMany field...
1562: [13:42:06] <spronk> no go?
1563: [13:42:18] <spronk> the method 'todropdownmap' does not exist on 'HasManyList'
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1568: [13:56:36] <kinglozzer> Hmm. chillu: https://github.com/silverstripe/silverstripe-cms/pull/881 - should it instead fall back to ContentController instead of looking back up the chain for a parent controller?
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1570: [13:58:39] <chillu> kinglozzer: Oh that's awesome, wanted to do that for like … 5 years? ;)
1571: [13:59:18] <kinglozzer> Well, I thought start at the bottom as they're the longest overdue ;)
1572: [13:59:32] <chillu> I think it should look up the parent chain, thats least surprising behaviour. But I'd suggest using ClassInfo, bet its faster than looping through get_parent_class()
1573: [14:00:29] <kinglozzer> chillu: ClassInfo::ancestry()?
1574: [14:00:38] <chillu> yep
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1576: [14:07:24] <spronk> taking the plunge... installing mavericks.
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1578: [14:10:56] <kinglozzer> spronk: Colleague has just done it, had to do some minor setup for apache/PHP again, but nothing too major
1579: [14:11:10] <spronk> mm?
1580: [14:11:23] <spronk> here's hoping it'll give my 2008 mbp a new lease on life :p
1581: [14:14:16] <Zauberfisch23> spronk: let me know what you think of the vm, and how it works for you
1582: [14:15:32] <kinglozzer> chillu: As this is quite essential to load times, do you think replacing class_exists() with ClassInfo::exists() is a good idea?
1583: [14:15:37] <Zauberfisch23> kinglozzer: this pull request looks awesome
1584: [14:15:41] <kinglozzer> Not sure which is faster
1585: [14:16:28] <micmania1> I also like that PR ^^
1586: [14:17:03] <Zauberfisch23> spronk: also to your dropdownarray question, there is map('ID', 'Title')
1587: [14:17:13] <Zauberfisch23> which gives you an array of ID => Title
1588: [14:17:28] <Zauberfisch23> or actually a SS_Map that you can then turn into an array
1589: [14:20:13] <spronk> yeah
1590: [14:20:15] <spronk> cheers
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1592: [14:20:45] * spronk is getting all confused about 2.4 vs 3 lol
1593: [14:21:50] <zlincoln> is anyone else experiencing a broken form at /admin/pages/add for the latest commits of framework & cms?
1594: [14:22:34] <zlincoln> i realize it may be one of my other modules messing with things - just wanted to confirm though
1595: [14:24:28] <zlincoln> for reference - http://i.imgur.com/02dkZpu.png
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1597: [14:36:09] <NickM_> Hey guys
1598: [14:36:58] <NickM_> Quick question re: controller actions and templates. I've a big fan of descriptive URLs, so rather than /user I want it to say /user/login. How do I make the action render the default Controller layout?
1599: [14:39:16] <kinglozzer> NickM_: So, you have an $allowed_action for 'login', and a method, you just want it to render the default template?
1600: [14:39:31] <NickM_> Well, I want to render the UserPage.ss template.
1601: [14:39:38] <NickM_> By default, it's not picking up on that template.
1602: [14:39:43] <NickM_> I just get a white page.
1603: [14:40:03] <kinglozzer> It should automatically do that, have you added 'login' to your $allowed_actions?
1604: [14:40:11] <NickM_> If I use "return $this->renderWith('UserPage');" it only returns the sub-template and not the parent.
1605: [14:40:40] <kinglozzer> Ah, NickM_, you can either return $this->renderWith(array('UserPage', 'Page'); or possibly just return array();
1606: [14:40:42] <NickM_> Yes re: allowed.
1607: [14:40:51] <NickM_> Ah, ha!
1608: [14:40:53] <NickM_> Ok, let me try that.
1609: [14:41:20] <NickM_> Boom
1610: [14:41:23] <NickM_> Thank you!
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1612: [14:46:50] <spronk> hrm, so mavericks changed my wallpaper.
1613: [14:46:51] <spronk> uncool
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1617: [15:29:37] <NickM_> What country are most of the SS developers from?
1618: [15:29:43] <NickM_> NZ?
1619: [15:29:46] <NickM_> AUS?
1620: [15:30:01] <NickM_> US?
1621: [15:34:18] <kinglozzer> A lot are NZ-based
1622: [15:34:30] <kinglozzer> The company is based in NZ
1623: [15:34:36] <spronk> oh whaaaat
1624: [15:34:37] <NickM_> Right
1625: [15:34:37] <spronk> no glass..
1626: [15:34:40] <kinglozzer> But there are also a lot of EU devs
1627: [15:34:45] <spronk> mavericks no longer has 2d dock option
1628: [15:34:46] <kinglozzer> Not sure about US actually
1629: [15:34:52] <kinglozzer> Yeah spronk I read that
1630: [15:34:52] <NickM_> Was just curious which country had adopted it's use the most.
1631: [15:34:57] <kinglozzer> You can't even hack it with terminal :(
1632: [15:35:01] <spronk> :(
1633: [15:35:06] <spronk> hate 3d dock bs
1634: [15:36:54] <micmania1> anybody know if entwine has a debug mode? I'm using it on a non-ss site but there's somethign wrong and its not telling me what!
1635: [15:39:32] <spronk> theres a debugger console thing
1636: [15:40:01] <kinglozzer> micmania1: Had a quick look, try setting $.entwine.warningLevel = 999999;
1637: [15:40:43] <micmania1> that's it kinglozzer! cheers
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1640: [15:50:42] <catcher> kinglozzer, is that necessary for SS too? I've never been able to get the debugger to show up.
1641: [15:51:13] <micmania1> catcher, I think you just have to be in dev mode.
1642: [15:51:17] <kinglozzer> catcher: I don't think so, I assume SilverStripe does that already as entwine already throws errors. I've never even seen the debugger that you and spronk mention
1643: [15:52:20] <kinglozzer> Wait
1644: [15:52:21] <kinglozzer> I've found it :P
1645: [15:52:28] <kinglozzer> Press Ctrl + ` in the CMS
1646: [15:52:59] <kinglozzer> No idea how to get the same inspector to work on the front-end
1647: [15:53:52] <micmania1> that CTRL + ` thing never works for me :(
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1650: [15:56:05] <catcher> yeah, same here
1651: [15:56:26] <kinglozzer> Hmm
1652: [15:56:44] <kinglozzer> You're both definitely in dev mode?
1653: [15:57:32] <catcher> kinglozzer, indeed, nothing happens here.
1654: [15:57:35] <catcher> that is a backtick, right?
1655: [15:57:39] <kinglozzer> catcher: Yeah
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1657: [15:57:58] <kinglozzer> Is the jquery.entwine.inspector.js being included?
1658: [15:58:43] <catcher> kinglozzer, looks like it works in FF but not Chromium
1659: [15:59:14] <kinglozzer> if (e.ctrlKey && e.which == 96) {
1660: [15:59:34] <kinglozzer> According to Microsoft docs, 96 is the '0' key on the numeric keypad
1661: [15:59:36] <kinglozzer> Try that perhaps?
1662: [16:00:26] <catcher> kinglozzer, good idea, but no go
1663: [16:01:27] <kinglozzer> How about ~ ?
1664: [16:01:47] <kinglozzer> Assuming it's a different key :P
1665: [16:02:00] <kinglozzer> Just running through possibilities for key code 96 haha
1666: [16:04:12] <NickM_> Insert can also = 96. Which browser are you using?
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1670: [16:05:56] <travis-ci> [travis-ci] Build details : http://travis-ci.org/chillu/silverstripe-framework/builds/12938578
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1672: [16:06:19] <NickM_> When Num Lock is on, 0 = 96.
1673: [16:06:33] <NickM_> Keypad 0 = 96*
1674: [16:08:04] * kinglozzer home time
1675: [16:08:10] <kinglozzer> Bye all
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1686: [16:29:24] <travis-ci> [travis-ci] Change view : https://github.com/chillu/silverstripe-framework/compare/c3ce5368fa89...e93373ce3bcb
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1691: [16:29:40] <travis-ci> [travis-ci] Change view : https://github.com/silverstripe/silverstripe-cms/compare/da1a875c4fbf...ef0f633f461b
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1716: [17:57:10] <houleness> I'm trying to use simplexml on a SS 2.4 site to convert to a dataobject. This is my current code - http://www.sspaste.com/paste/show/52680bdd7caec and it outputs this - http://cl.ly/image/3L0o0J1V2L1d If anyone could point me in the right direction I would be so thankful for the assist!
1717: [18:00:32] <Alexw> What errors do you got ?
1718: [18:00:51] <Alexw> Oh, nvm
1719: [18:01:18] <Alexw> try to convert everything to a string
1720: [18:01:21] <Alexw> toString()
1721: [18:01:22] <houleness> No errors... just displays as an array rather then being able to use the variable in a control loop properly
1722: [18:01:44] <houleness> If I do this - http://www.sspaste.com/paste/show/52680cf37a64a
1723: [18:02:08] <houleness> it works, but then I can't use a control loop. I have to format all that stuff in the php and I'd rather do it the SS way if possible
1724: [18:02:14] <houleness> ill give that a try
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1726: [18:02:55] <Alexw> Every element in the simplexml is an object
1727: [18:03:19] <Alexw> So you are trying to put objects inside those ArrayDatas
1728: [18:03:24] <Alexw> Rather then the string
1729: [18:03:51] <houleness> So how would I get just the relevant string?
1730: [18:05:16] <Alexw> $name->_toString()
1731: [18:05:23] <Alexw> If I got that one right
1732: [18:06:01] <houleness> ah got it!
1733: [18:06:07] <houleness> using this $Name = (string) $event->ActivityName;
1734: [18:06:09] <houleness> Thanks man!
1735: [18:07:19] <Alexw> That's another way
1736: [18:07:23] <Alexw> Sure, np
1737: [18:07:38] <Alexw> If you use that PHP will use the toString function aswell
1738: [18:07:52] <houleness> ah, makes sense
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1740: [18:12:04] <Alexw> Who got expirience with Widgets?
1741: [18:12:20] <Alexw> *experience
1742: [18:13:20] <Alexw> I'm trying to duplicate the WidgetPageExtension, and use the inherit functionality
1743: [18:13:44] <Alexw> My widget area name is just WidgetArea, but he is not executing the function "WidgetAreaView"
1744: [18:13:51] <Alexw> Any suggestions?
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1756: [18:44:17] <guzzlefry> guys!
1757: [18:44:56] <guzzlefry> Is there any way to get $defaults to work with SiteConfig extensions?
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1759: [18:47:25] <travis-ci> [travis-ci] silverstripe/silverstripe-cms#630 (3.1 - 79c0b6c : Ingo Schommer): The build passed.
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1761: [18:47:25] <travis-ci> [travis-ci] Build details : http://travis-ci.org/silverstripe/silverstripe-cms/builds/12945124
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1766: [19:00:57] <catcher> Anything special I need to do to install a 2nd SS site as a subdomain of another, as a dir inside the primary site's docroot?
1767: [19:01:23] <simon_w> Yes, don't do that :p
1768: [19:01:35] <catcher> mmhmm
1769: [19:02:58] <catcher> simon_w, where does that go horribly wrong?
1770: [19:03:13] <simon_w> The .htaccess cascade
1771: [19:03:40] <catcher> simon_w, so the docroot dirs need to be siblings?
1772: [19:04:06] <simon_w> Well, it's a lot easier if they're not in a parent/child relationship
1773: [19:05:22] <catcher> drag, doesn't seem to be allowed by my VPS.
1774: [19:05:30] <catcher> It forces me into my main docroot.
1775: [19:06:00] <simon_w> It's a VPS and you can't edit the config files yourself?
1776: [19:06:05] <simon_w> Sounds like a shoddy VPS :p
1777: [19:07:04] <catcher> simon_w, I imagine I can, I was just hoping for the shortcut with the DNS assigning tools.
1778: [19:07:38] <catcher> it's a live site, so I don't have much breathing room to get it wrong.
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1796: [20:28:35] <Pyromanik> so
1797: [20:28:57] <Pyromanik> Map right
1798: [20:29:00] <Pyromanik> used to call functions
1799: [20:29:04] <Pyromanik> now doesn't seem to?
1800: [20:29:35] <Pyromanik> $list->Map('Title','Func') just get a lot of null :<
1801: [20:30:58] <simon_w> Yeah, doesn't on DataList
1802: [20:31:58] <Pyromanik> or ArrayList
1803: [20:32:34] <simon_w> Well, it should call getters
1804: [20:32:38] <Pyromanik> nup :<
1805: [20:32:42] <Pyromanik> h
1806: [20:32:50] <Pyromanik> didn't try getFunc specifically
1807: [20:32:59] <Pyromanik> ie function isn't named that
1808: [20:33:01] <Pyromanik> I'll test
1809: [20:33:40] <Pyromanik> yeh, lol
1810: [20:33:52] <Pyromanik> renamed Func to getFunc
1811: [20:34:17] <Pyromanik> map('Title', 'getFunc') doesn't work, map('Title', 'Func') does.
1812: [20:34:46] <Pyromanik> but then throws an error immeditately afterwards.
1813: [20:36:29] <Pyromanik> urgh
1814: [20:36:30] <Pyromanik> rude
1815: [20:36:54] <Pyromanik> error was my fault, trying to call properties on a string literal
1816: [20:37:18] <Pyromanik> OH FUCK YES, 3 day weekend!
1817: [20:37:53] <antmas> Pyromanik: w00t!
1818: [20:37:58] <simon_w> 12 day weekend!
1819: [20:38:31] <antmas> simon_w: aren't you going to sydney?
1820: [20:38:39] <simon_w> Nope
1821: [20:38:48] <simon_w> Well, for four hours or something
1822: [20:38:50] <antmas> why did I think that
1823: [20:38:51] <antmas> oh
1824: [20:38:53] <antmas> right
1825: [20:42:16] <antmas> :O
1826: [20:42:24] <antmas> mac hdd is about to die
1827: [20:42:26] <antmas> oh noes
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1833: [20:52:23] <Pyromanik> don't be silly antmas, macs just work!
1834: [20:52:34] <Pyromanik> they never crash or die
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1836: [20:55:11] <antmas> Pyromanik: yeah but when you've dropped it multiple times...
1837: [21:00:14] <guzzlefry> hrm
1838: [21:00:30] <guzzlefry> Should Date be in $db or $has_one?
1839: [21:00:38] <simon_w> Cause gravity prevails
1840: [21:00:42] <simon_w> THIS TIME IT'S OVER
1841: [21:00:51] <simon_w> Aww, no EasyCo to annoy
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1843: [21:04:07] <guzzlefry> anyone? >_>
1844: [21:05:28] <guzzlefry> meh, it's throwing an ID field in the database for it.
1845: [21:05:46] <guzzlefry> Why doesn't it just use a normal DateTime field? :P
1846: [21:07:11] <AlphaCactus> Date is db field
1847: [21:07:30] <guzzlefry> Right so
1848: [21:07:45] <guzzlefry> "SubscriptionDate" => "Date"
1849: [21:07:48] <simon_w> So it goes in $db
1850: [21:07:57] <AlphaCactus> sure, like that
1851: [21:08:00] <guzzlefry> Why am I seeing SubscriptionDateID in the table?
1852: [21:08:14] <simon_w> Because you put it in as a has_one
1853: [21:08:17] <AlphaCactus> cause you had it in has_one and didn't delete the field manually?
1854: [21:08:24] <guzzlefry> simon_w: nuh uh!
1855: [21:08:32] <guzzlefry> wait
1856: [21:08:35] <guzzlefry> I did
1857: [21:08:37] <guzzlefry> holy fucking hell
1858: [21:08:55] * guzzlefry needs MRI or something.
1859: [21:08:59] <AlphaCactus> we know what u did
1860: [21:09:10] <guzzlefry> I know, I just...didn't know it myself :P
1861: [21:09:27] <guzzlefry> thanks
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1869: [21:29:15] <guci0> Hello World!
1870: [21:37:26] <Pyromanik> Hello guci0!
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1876: [21:43:14] <ss23> Sam and Dianna are engaged :D
1877: [21:43:31] <Pyromanik> :D
1878: [21:43:36] <Pyromanik> congratulations sminnee
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1880: [21:45:22] <catcher> sminnee, congrats!
1881: [21:46:25] * violetina quit (Remote host closed the connection)
1882: [21:46:46] <catcher> And congrats to me for being done for the day. seeya.
1883: [21:46:51] * catcher quit (Quit: Leaving)
1884: [21:47:41] <simon_w> About time! :p
1885: [21:49:11] <guci0> Ooo good news! "Do not marry" someone said to me before my wedding :P
1886: [21:51:05] <antmas> I've been ingaged for 2 years :P
1887: [21:51:09] <antmas> engaged*
1888: [21:51:14] <guci0> ;)
1889: [21:51:28] <ss23> lol antmas, not getting married?
1890: [21:51:42] <simon_w> I can't remember. Are Siggy and his partner married yet?
1891: [21:51:46] <antmas> ss23: yeah next year
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1893: [21:54:16] <simon_w> ss23, so, are you engaged yet?
1894: [21:55:05] <ss23> To...
1895: [21:55:06] <ss23> ?
1896: [21:55:06] <ss23> :O
1897: [21:55:16] <simon_w> How am I supposed to know?
1898: [21:55:17] * micmania1 quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
1899: [21:55:23] <ss23> XD
1900: [21:55:26] <ss23> simon_w: What about you, huh? :3
1901: [21:55:28] * ss23 giggles
1902: [21:56:08] <simon_w> Yes, I've proposed since the last time you asked me :p
1903: [21:56:31] <Pyromanik> 10:55 < ss23> To...
1904: [21:56:33] <Pyromanik> Chrome!
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1906: [21:56:53] <Pyromanik> oh nice simon_w :)
1907: [21:56:53] <ss23> XD
1908: [21:56:59] <ss23> Congratulations, simon_w :D
1909: [21:57:04] <simon_w> Sigh
1910: [21:57:09] <simon_w> You lot can't read sarcasm, can you
1911: [21:57:20] <ss23> hahahhaha
1912: [21:57:21] <simon_w> I even stuck in the sarcasm face!
1913: [21:57:25] <ss23> I read it, I just felt like ignoring
1914: [21:57:26] <ss23> :D
1915: [21:57:32] <Pyromanik> oic, tounge face.
1916: [21:57:40] <Pyromanik> was sarcasam, not cheeky.
1917: [21:57:46] <Pyromanik> cheeky sneeky!
1918: [21:57:47] <ss23> hahaha
1919: [21:57:50] <simon_w> Pyromanik, ss23 asks me almost every time we have lunch
1920: [21:57:55] <Pyromanik> oic
1921: [21:57:56] <Pyromanik> right
1922: [21:57:58] <ss23> That is totally not true!
1923: [21:58:02] <ss23> I ask you like once a month
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1925: [21:58:10] <ss23> :O
1926: [21:58:11] <ss23> he left!
1927: [21:58:31] <simon_w> Too busy being all engaged for us plebs
1928: [21:58:37] <ss23> XD
1929: [21:58:46] <ss23> wait
1930: [21:58:49] <ss23> he just restarted
1931: [21:58:53] <ss23> presume he's upgrading to maverkis
1932: [21:59:20] * simon_w changed the topic to 'Welcome to #silverstripe discussion - IRC logs available: http://ss.org.nz/logs || Congratulations sminnee and escapeartist! || Ask your question, don't ask about asking your question || 8th of Oct 2013: 3.1.1 is now out! http://ss.org.nz/3.1.1 || 7th of Oct 2013: Security release for 3.0. See http://ss.org.nz/3.0.8 || Development mailing list: http://ss.org.nz/ss-dev'
1933: [22:00:25] <simon_w> Oh right, most people only got that yesterday
1934: [22:03:09] <ss23> Need more music!
1935: [22:03:12] <ss23> I've got on the playlist
1936: [22:03:23] <simon_w> WAY DOWN TO KOKOMO
1937: [22:03:37] <ss23> Danger Zone, Scarface (push it to the limit), Livin' On a Prayer, Push It, We Didn't Start The Fire, Eye of the Tiger, Hunger Like The Wolf, Mr. Roboto
1938: [22:03:40] <ss23> Need more
1939: [22:04:00] <simon_w> Convoy!
1940: [22:04:04] <simon_w> East Bound and Down!
1941: [22:04:12] <ss23> I don't knoe any of those songs
1942: [22:04:15] <ss23> It has to be good music that I know
1943: [22:04:17] <simon_w> Disappoint.
1944: [22:04:21] <ss23> "good music"
1945: [22:05:17] <simon_w> WE GONNA ROLL THIS TRUCKING CONVOY ACROSS THE USA
1946: [22:05:22] <simon_w> They made a movie based on this song
1947: [22:05:34] <guzzlefry> ss23: uhm...
1948: [22:05:42] <simon_w> East Bound and Down's from an awesome movie
1949: [22:05:48] <guzzlefry> yeah, that song!
1950: [22:05:53] <simon_w> Bert Reynolds!
1951: [22:05:54] <ss23> Nope!
1952: [22:05:57] <ss23> Sounds LAME
1953: [22:05:57] <guzzlefry> NO?
1954: [22:06:02] <ss23> I have to recogniez the song for it to fit in the playlist!
1955: [22:06:06] <guzzlefry> oh
1956: [22:06:35] <guzzlefry> ss23: Don't forget Edge of Seventeen bro
1957: [22:06:44] <ss23> I don't know that one either!
1958: [22:06:44] <ss23> ;_
1959: [22:06:45] <ss23> ;_;
1960: [22:06:49] <simon_w> Macgyver
1961: [22:06:52] <guzzlefry> dude
1962: [22:06:54] <antmas> best thing about Maverick so far is it highlighted the fact the HDD is toast on the spare macbook :P
1963: [22:06:55] <guzzlefry> Fleetwood Mac
1964: [22:06:59] * guzzlefry sighs.
1965: [22:07:47] <simon_w> ss23, do you at least know who Bert Reynolds is?
1966: [22:08:03] <ss23> I recognize the name
1967: [22:08:07] <ss23> But don't know who it is
1968: [22:08:57] <simon_w> Archer's man crush?
1969: [22:09:06] <simon_w> The Bandit?
1970: [22:09:08] <simon_w> Gator?
1971: [22:09:18] <ss23> I don't care about famous people, simon_w :P
1972: [22:09:21] <ss23> Actors, VAs, whatever
1973: [22:09:27] <ss23> I hardly know musicians
1974: [22:09:34] <guzzlefry> ugh
1975: [22:09:34] <ss23> (In fact, I don't, I only know bands)
1976: [22:09:36] <ss23> People suck
1977: [22:09:38] <ss23> I don't know them
1978: [22:09:40] <guzzlefry> why
1979: [22:09:50] <guzzlefry> index.php/controller/action
1980: [22:10:02] <ss23> guzzlefry: remove the index.php
1981: [22:10:09] <guzzlefry> I think it explodes if I do that.
1982: [22:10:11] * guzzlefry tries.
1983: [22:10:26] <ss23> guzzlefry: If the file exists in /index.php, it'll sometimes use it with apache 2.
1984: [22:10:29] <ss23> 2.4
1985: [22:10:31] <ss23> No idea why
1986: [22:10:37] <ss23> Haven't debugged it personally yet
1987: [22:10:51] <guzzlefry> EEP
1988: [22:11:07] <guzzlefry> ss23: Now I just get a directory listing.
1989: [22:11:15] <simon_w> No .htaccess?
1990: [22:11:18] <ss23> ^
1991: [22:11:21] <simon_w> No mod_rewrite?
1992: [22:11:22] <ss23> or it's not using it?
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1994: [22:11:42] <antmas> never thought I'd like a Kanye song
1995: [22:11:48] <antmas> :( what's wrong with me?
1996: [22:11:50] <ss23> antmas: .............
1997: [22:11:56] <ss23> antmas is turning into an old man sell-out.
1998: [22:12:21] <guzzlefry> simon_w: http://sspaste.com/paste/show/526848032b49d
1999: [22:12:23] <guzzlefry> There it is.
2000: [22:12:23] <guzzlefry> hrm
2001: [22:12:33] <antmas> ss23: :D
2002: [22:12:53] <guzzlefry> nope, modrewrite is enabled.
2003: [22:12:56] <antmas> it's just a random remix of him and La roux that came up on Pandora
2004: [22:13:03] <guzzlefry> maybe it's that addhandler crap at the bottom.
2005: [22:13:20] <simon_w> Maybe it's AllowOverride None
2006: [22:13:45] <Colin[pi]> hai2all
2007: [22:13:52] <simon_w> Woo, time to add in subdomain specific routes
2008: [22:13:58] <simon_w> Morning Colin[pi]
2009: [22:14:04] <guzzlefry> oh
2010: [22:14:09] <guzzlefry> hrm
2011: [22:14:47] <antmas> Colin[pi]: morn
2012: [22:14:55] <Colin[pi]> HI!
2013: [22:15:20] <simon_w> ss23, if you can find it, Going To The Chapel ;)
2014: [22:15:22] <guzzlefry> simon_w: You're my hero, thanks.
2015: [22:15:35] * simon_w is everyone's hero!
2016: [22:15:47] * EasyCo has joined #silverstripe
2017: [22:15:59] <guzzlefry> simon_w: Would AllowOverride Rewrite or something be more appropriate than AllowOverride All?
2018: [22:16:01] <EasyCo> Morning
2019: [22:16:07] <guzzlefry> morning sir
2020: [22:16:09] <ss23> simon_w: And we're gunna get married? <3
2021: [22:16:10] <simon_w> guzzlefry, just All it
2022: [22:16:14] <guzzlefry> ok
2023: [22:16:19] <simon_w> ss23, yeah, that one
2024: [22:16:26] <ss23> simon_w: And he was?
2025: [22:16:30] <ss23> THE LEADRE OF THE PACK
2026: [22:16:32] <ss23> *vroom vroom*
2027: [22:16:44] <guzzlefry> haha
2028: [22:16:46] <simon_w> Oh man, haven't heard that since primary school
2029: [22:17:05] <guzzlefry> I remember listening to that on the way to elementary school.
2030: [22:17:17] <guzzlefry> Used to think it was so awesome back when I was 7 or 8 years old.
2031: [22:17:23] <guci0> OMG how to set Thumbnails to GridField? 3.1 //sleeep
2032: [22:17:27] <guzzlefry> Also
2033: [22:17:32] <guzzlefry> ss23: Bad to the Bone!
2034: [22:17:44] <ss23> ohhh
2035: [22:17:45] <ss23> good
2036: [22:17:45] <ss23> :D
2037: [22:18:23] <antmas> ss23: she's just a small town GIRL, livin in a LONELY WOOOORRRRLD!
2038: [22:19:25] <ss23> ohhh, what song is that called?!
2039: [22:19:38] <antmas> Don't Stop Believin
2040: [22:19:43] <antmas> I think...
2041: [22:20:32] <guzzlefry> Journey!
2042: [22:20:47] <simon_w> DON'T STOP, NEVER GIVE UP
2043: [22:20:48] <simon_w> HOLD YOUR HEAD HIGH AND REACH THE TOP
2044: [22:20:56] <simon_w> Morning EasyCo :p
2045: [22:21:13] <EasyCo> Haha, you bastard. Just about to /quit :)
2046: [22:25:52] <simon_w> Better idea, join in!
2047: [22:25:57] <simon_w> It's the weekend tomorrow!
2048: [22:28:05] <AlphaCactus> tomorrow, wtf, its only wednesday here
2049: [22:28:39] <Pyromanik> well fuck, that's not soemthing you see every day
2050: [22:28:47] <Pyromanik> A tank just went past work.
2051: [22:28:53] <antmas> :O
2052: [22:28:53] <EasyCo> Public holiday this Friday in NZ?
2053: [22:28:57] <AlphaCactus> Pictur!
2054: [22:29:08] <antmas> EasyCo: no, simon_w has a longer weekend
2055: [22:29:09] <Colin[pi]> Pyromanik: zombie apocalypse starting?
2056: [22:29:24] <Pyromanik> Not some BS NZArmy APC, a proper tracked up WW2 era looking tank with a turret and everything.
2057: [22:29:37] <antmas> Pyromanik: y u no pics?!
2058: [22:29:42] <AlphaCactus> Are you in LA Pyro? Could just be another stolen one...
2059: [22:29:42] <EasyCo> Ahh gotcha, I don't work Fridays either. High five!
2060: [22:29:55] <simon_w> 12 day weekend, bitches!
2061: [22:30:15] <EasyCo> You win.
2062: [22:30:44] <Pyromanik> Yeh
2063: [22:30:53] <Pyromanik> Russian T-55AM2
2064: [22:31:15] <Pyromanik> http://www.tanksforeverything.co.nz/vehicles.php
2065: [22:31:25] <ss23> Okay
2066: [22:31:27] <Pyromanik> antmas: in a meeting, didn't have phone on me
2067: [22:31:29] <ss23> "My heart will go on" is coming up next
2068: [22:31:32] <ss23> Prepare the office for rage.
2069: [22:31:44] <ss23> 11:18:50 < antmas> ss23: she's just a small town GIRL, livin in a LONELY WOOOORRRRLD!
2070: [22:31:47] <ss23> oh oh
2071: [22:31:48] <ss23> "this is the story of a girl!"
2072: [22:31:54] <ss23> "WHO CRIED A RIVER AND DROWNED THE WHOLE WORLD"
2073: [22:32:00] <Pyromanik> God?
2074: [22:32:20] <Pyromanik> Not new pansy forgiving god, but old spiteful wrath bringing god.
2075: [22:32:24] <simon_w> PIPE WRENCH FIGHT
2076: [22:32:31] <Pyromanik> lolwut
2077: [22:32:31] <simon_w> (pipe wrench fight)
2078: [22:32:45] <ss23> It was a harmless gasoline fight!
2079: [22:32:47] <ss23> It could've happened to anyone!
2080: [22:33:40] <simon_w> Bah, can't remember the name of the actual song
2081: [22:34:20] <Pyromanik> ss23: He can't turn left
2082: [22:34:23] <antmas> Copper Head Rooooooooooaddd!
2083: [22:34:43] <Pyromanik> I JUST CAN'T WAIT TO BE KIIIIIIING
2084: [22:35:06] <simon_w> There we go!
2085: [22:35:07] <simon_w> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HE9OQ4FnkQ
2086: [22:35:11] * antmas starts Steve Earl playlist
2087: [22:36:28] <Pyromanik> I think it's time you and I arranged a heart to heart
2088: [22:36:44] <Pyromanik> Kings don't need advice from little hornbills for a start...
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2090: [22:38:33] <antmas> f fff ff fffff fff FREESTYLA!
2091: [22:38:41] <unsignedint> rock the microphone!
2092: [22:38:49] <antmas> ba bah
2093: [22:39:01] <antmas> STRAIGHT FROM THE TOP OH MA DOME!
2094: [22:39:02] <unsignedint> straight from the top of my dome?
2095: [22:39:02] <ss23> antmas: OH YES
2096: [22:39:25] <unsignedint> Bomfunk MC's one hit wonder
2097: [22:39:27] <antmas> a real panty wetter that song
2098: [22:39:40] <Pyromanik> lolwut
2099: [22:39:59] <Pyromanik> is that how you ended up engaged antmas?
2100: [22:40:00] <ss23> added to playlist
2101: [22:40:00] <ss23> :D
2102: [22:40:21] <antmas> Pyromanik: hell yeah
2103: [22:41:37] <antmas> :O
2104: [22:41:40] <antmas> oh god
2105: [22:41:46] <antmas> Darude - Sandstorm
2106: [22:41:53] <guzzlefry> ss23: Don't forget uh
2107: [22:42:24] <antmas> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSYxT9GM0fQ
2108: [22:42:28] <guzzlefry> ss23: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUt_KF9vI10
2109: [22:42:30] <guzzlefry> YEAH
2110: [22:42:49] <guzzlefry> Don't forget to put your sunglasses on and feet on your desk.
2111: [22:42:55] <guzzlefry> As boss is walking by :P
2112: [22:43:34] <ss23> numa numa?
2113: [22:43:53] <guzzlefry> say what
2114: [22:43:55] <ss23> :D
2115: [22:43:58] <ss23> I can't really click youtube
2116: [22:44:01] <ss23> sincei t'll stream the music
2117: [22:44:02] <guzzlefry> oh
2118: [22:44:14] <guzzlefry> Gheto Boys
2119: [22:44:19] <guzzlefry> that song from Office Space
2120: [22:44:20] <antmas> numa numa yay
2121: [22:44:53] <antmas> throw the Chicken Dance in there for good measure
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2125: [22:48:37] <ss23> I wanna be yours pretty baby! Yours and yours alone!
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2128: [22:49:02] <DaShiVaDan> hi
2129: [22:49:34] <DaShiVaDan> anyone about I can throw a SS2.4 question at about admin handling for a dataobject with has_many?
2130: [22:49:48] <ss23> DaShiVaDan: ask, and if someone knows, they'll answer
2131: [22:50:27] <DaShiVaDan> :) works for me
2132: [22:52:00] <DaShiVaDan> so. I am taking eWAY payments for a subclaass of member - Entrants. After entrants are created, I attach a RegistrationPayment object to them. Entrants may be registered 1 to 4 at a time, so RegistrationPayment has_many Entrants, and Entrants have_one RegistrationPayment. My problem is:
2133: [22:52:48] <DaShiVaDan> In the admin, if I view a registrationpayment, and go to the entrants tab, it offers to 'Add Entrant' - I want to stop this, as entrants should not be added at a later stage through any means.
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2136: [22:54:56] <simon_w> DaShiVaDan, $ctf->setPermissions(array('edit', 'show'))
2137: [22:55:05] <DaShiVaDan> I have canCreate() and canDelete() both returning false for the RegistrationPayment
2138: [22:55:07] <DaShiVaDan> um
2139: [22:55:27] <DaShiVaDan> where do I put the $ctf->setPermissions() call?
2140: [22:55:43] <DaShiVaDan> (and what is $ctf :P)
2141: [22:55:46] <simon_w> RegistrationPayment's getCMSFields
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2143: [22:56:03] <simon_w> It's the ComplexTableField that manages the Entrants
2144: [22:56:12] <DaShiVaDan> ahh thanks
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2146: [22:58:41] <DaShiVaDan> my current getCMSFields() for RegistrationPayment only has the basic fields. the ComplexTableField is handled automatically by SS (I did try to define it manually originally, but I'm not familiar with SS really - I'm a oldschool PHP programmer who has to add eWAY to a SS site)
2147: [22:59:12] <simon_w> $fields->fieldByName('Entrants')->setPermissions() should do it
2148: [22:59:35] <DaShiVaDan> so I added the call, but I get an error: ERROR [Notice]: Undefined variable: ctf
2149: [22:59:40] <DaShiVaDan> ahh cool thanks
2150: [23:00:23] <DaShiVaDan> not quote, now I get: Fatal error: Call to a member function setPermissions() on a non-object
2151: [23:00:27] <DaShiVaDan> *quite
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2153: [23:01:06] <simon_w> Ah right, it wants a path. Use dataFieldByName() instead of fieldByName()
2154: [23:01:19] <Pyromanik> 11:43 < ss23> numa numa?
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2156: [23:01:37] <Pyromanik> It both cracks me up and winds me up that it's not more famous as a Rhianna sample.
2157: [23:01:43] <Pyromanik> now*
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2159: [23:02:00] <ss23> Hmm
2160: [23:02:05] <ss23> I didn't know Rhianna used it as a sample
2161: [23:02:06] <ss23> :O
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2163: [23:02:13] <ss23> I don't really understand how you know so much pop music, Pyromanik
2164: [23:02:24] <ss23> Like, I get I'm a recluse who doesn't go outside, but still
2165: [23:02:30] <guzzlefry> dude
2166: [23:02:33] <DaShiVaDan> dataFieldByName change didn't fix anything, same error
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2168: [23:02:34] <guzzlefry> you know rebecca black
2169: [23:02:35] <guzzlefry> :P
2170: [23:02:45] <guzzlefry> that's kind of pop, right? :P
2171: [23:03:02] <DaShiVaDan> rebecca black is more like fizz
2172: [23:03:06] <guzzlefry> oh
2173: [23:03:16] <simon_w> She's teen pop
2174: [23:03:22] <guzzlefry> ss23: layla!
2175: [23:03:37] <Pyromanik> ss23: as I've said before, bullshit teenybob radio station blaring directly above my desk (cieling mounted speakers)
2176: [23:03:45] <simon_w> DaShiVaDan, and Entrants is the name of your has_many?
2177: [23:03:58] <Pyromanik> LAAYYYYYYYYYYYLAH, You've got me on my knees baby...
2178: [23:03:59] <guzzlefry> ew
2179: [23:04:02] <simon_w> And you're using $field = parent::getCMSFields()?
2180: [23:04:04] <DaShiVaDan> static $has_many = array( 'Entrants' => 'Entrant' );
2181: [23:04:07] <guzzlefry> Pyromanik: ask for a raise :P
2182: [23:04:18] <DaShiVaDan> yup i have the parent coming in first
2183: [23:04:29] <DaShiVaDan> i beg you darling, please :P
2184: [23:04:43] <ss23> Pyromanik: HEADPHONES, MAN
2185: [23:04:46] <guzzlefry> also
2186: [23:04:49] <guzzlefry> Highway to Hell
2187: [23:05:02] <DaShiVaDan> ACDC is always good, but I'm an aussie :)
2188: [23:05:17] <Pyromanik> guzzlefry: I'm quitting, lol.
2189: [23:05:18] <simon_w> DaShiVaDan, you could try $field->fieldByName('Root.Entrants.Entrants')
2190: [23:05:22] <guzzlefry> oh... :P
2191: [23:05:32] <Pyromanik> ss23: I have headphones
2192: [23:05:45] <Pyromanik> but the horrendous leaks through
2193: [23:05:46] <simon_w> DaShiVaDan, this is for a RegistrationPayment that's been saved already, right? You're not creating a new one?
2194: [23:05:53] <Pyromanik> and like when I have to have them off to talk to other people
2195: [23:06:04] <DaShiVaDan> i tried that simon: ERROR [Notice]: Undefined variable: field
2196: [23:06:07] <DaShiVaDan> wait
2197: [23:06:09] <DaShiVaDan> did i typo?
2198: [23:06:14] <Pyromanik> and said radio station repeats crappy songs about 4 times a day each
2199: [23:06:15] <Pyromanik> so.. yeah
2200: [23:06:21] <simon_w> DaShiVaDan, oh yeah, $fields
2201: [23:06:22] <Pyromanik> DaShiVaDan: no
2202: [23:06:24] <Pyromanik> $fields
2203: [23:06:32] <Pyromanik> is not defined before you try to use it
2204: [23:06:33] <DaShiVaDan> I don't even reference 'field' in that other than $field...ahh yeah. duh :P
2205: [23:06:40] <Pyromanik> yeh
2206: [23:06:47] <Pyromanik> like, exactly what it says :P
2207: [23:07:07] <DaShiVaDan> champion. that did it, thankyou muchly :)
2208: [23:07:42] <DaShiVaDan> pyro: nwhat radio station
2209: [23:07:51] <Pyromanik> ZM
2210: [23:08:03] <Pyromanik> if you're not in NZ, zmonline.com
2211: [23:08:09] <Pyromanik> EXPERIENCE MY PAIN
2212: [23:08:32] <DaShiVaDan> new zealand? oops, I shouldn't have admitted to being an aussie lol :)
2213: [23:08:44] <Pyromanik> Luckily for me Achilles is about to make his last stand.
2214: [23:08:53] <Pyromanik> DaShiVaDan: well SS is an NZ product, yeh.
2215: [23:09:02] <DaShiVaDan> true :)
2216: [23:09:37] <simon_w> Hungry hungry Simon, should go get some food
2217: [23:09:44] <ss23> wow
2218: [23:09:45] <ss23> early :O
2219: [23:09:51] <simon_w> Lunch time!
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2221: [23:11:17] <simon_w> ss23, you want some?
2222: [23:11:21] <ss23> simon_w: I'll pass, too early for me
2223: [23:11:23] <DaShiVaDan> Now if you want some good kiwi music, I'm really digging Royals :)
2224: [23:12:10] <Pyromanik> who?
2225: [23:12:14] <simon_w> Lorde
2226: [23:12:23] <Pyromanik> Dragon.
2227: [23:12:29] <DaShiVaDan> Sorry, yeah, Lorde :)
2228: [23:12:29] <Pyromanik> That's good Kiwi music.
2229: [23:12:31] <ss23> I always mix up Lorde and Lordi
2230: [23:12:32] <ss23> :<
2231: [23:12:39] <Pyromanik> urgh ff lorde
2232: [23:12:43] <DaShiVaDan> yeah I just name the song cause I'm lazy
2233: [23:12:51] <Pyromanik> The Datsuns
2234: [23:13:00] <simon_w> Crowded House!
2235: [23:13:10] <DaShiVaDan> Then again, I tend to prefer songs to artists, my finace tells me that means I don't know how to appreciate music :P
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2237: [23:13:49] <Pyromanik> bollocks, it means you have a wider appreciation
2238: [23:13:53] <Pyromanik> selective.
2239: [23:13:55] <Pyromanik> as such
2240: [23:13:58] <Pyromanik> maybe, maybe not
2241: [23:14:01] <Pyromanik> IDEK
2242: [23:16:27] <DaShiVaDan> OH, some general SS advice/question?: I'm essentially a procedural PHP programmer (though I can work with OO pretty fine, not an expert) and I've always (for the last ~20 years) just written my own sites from the ground up wherever I worked. This new company I am at has sites in all sorts of stuff: SS2.4, Drupal, Wordpress, etc, etc. And cause of their workflow, I really should learn some framework. While I will need to supp
2243: [23:17:06] <DaShiVaDan> and is there any better sources for documentation and tutorials than the official site (no offence, but I ran through them and kept running into weird errors)
2244: [23:17:40] <Pyromanik> Proceedural?
2245: [23:17:41] <Pyromanik> :<
2246: [23:17:43] <EasyCo> This IRC channel and the irc logs are good
2247: [23:17:50] <EasyCo> Pyromanik: Now now, be nice.
2248: [23:18:12] <EasyCo> The API docs are really good
2249: [23:18:22] <Pyromanik> the tutorials are good, just a tad outdated.
2250: [23:18:26] <EasyCo> Once you get use to it
2251: [23:18:30] <Pyromanik> if you do them with 3.0 rather than 3.1 you should be fine
2252: [23:19:10] <DaShiVaDan> Ahh cool, thanks, is 3.1 very diff from 3.0 or just like bugs and such?
2253: [23:19:54] <DaShiVaDan> and yeah, I know the hate for procedural, but damn it's so much faster to write and so much more flexible, at least in my experience :P But I'm one of those people who will go on about how OO is overvalued and overused :)
2254: [23:20:34] <simon_w> Functional programming is where it's at! :p
2255: [23:20:40] <EasyCo> DaShiVaDan: 3.1 is a fairly major jump from 3.0
2256: [23:20:41] <DaShiVaDan> hehehe
2257: [23:20:52] * simon_w also can't decide what to have for lunch
2258: [23:20:57] <EasyCo> Might as well go 3.1
2259: [23:21:01] <DaShiVaDan> @EasyCo ahh thanks
2260: [23:21:16] <Pyromanik> DaShiVaDan: it's not hated, it's just... outdated.
2261: [23:21:19] <DaShiVaDan> hell I haven't used IRC in over a decade, I forget how to use it :P
2262: [23:21:28] <Pyromanik> It's no more or less flexible, it's just a different way of thinking.
2263: [23:21:45] <Pyromanik> ea<tab> == EasyCo
2264: [23:21:49] <Pyromanik> irc <3
2265: [23:22:19] <Pyromanik> and 3.1 is a minor jump from 3.0 - there are some config differences that are more strictly enforced, and public static becomes private static. That's about it.
2266: [23:22:22] <EasyCo> Isn't Wordpress mostly procedurally written?
2267: [23:22:32] <Pyromanik> wordderp is a steaming pile of shit.
2268: [23:22:48] <EasyCo> So extreme
2269: [23:23:27] <Pyromanik> Don't confuse that as hatred for proceedural programming, it's hatred for werdderp and all teh goobers who use it for something it's not good at (mostly everything).
2270: [23:23:31] <EasyCo> 3.0 modules typically won't work on 3.1. I'd call that kind of major.
2271: [23:23:42] <DaShiVaDan> lol WP is pretty nasty, but... for getting a site up fast they love it here.
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2273: [23:24:12] <DaShiVaDan> I've been here 3 months, their previous developer was teh one who introduced SS 2.4 to teh mix, but he left out of frustration i think a week before I started
2274: [23:24:29] <DaShiVaDan> And I'm teh only developer here, everyone else is graphic design and copywriting and such
2275: [23:24:36] <DaShiVaDan> so been a bit of a steep curve
2276: [23:24:40] <unsignedint> DaShiVaDan: Im in a similar situation :P
2277: [23:24:41] <Pyromanik> DaShiVaDan: and that's the issue. It's not fast, and it's not flexible.
2278: [23:25:11] <Pyromanik> To get a site up fast I use SilverStripe. It's infinitely more flexible, and super speedy (even faster I'd say) at getting a site up.
2279: [23:25:12] <DaShiVaDan> unsignedint: if it was just SS i'd be fine, but it's SS, WP, Drupal, and a ton of other odd systems. I rarely write much code here :(
2280: [23:25:43] <DaShiVaDan> Pyromanik: Oh, I'm sure if I can actually learn SS properly (If I ever get the time) It'd be faster yeah
2281: [23:25:45] <Pyromanik> DaShiVaDan: yeah, I know the type of company.
2282: [23:25:48] <unsignedint> Ah yeah its definitely better to standardise on one and enforce it. Im lucky in that pretty much all our CMS websites are SS
2283: [23:26:02] <Pyromanik> DaShiVaDan: you basically write HTML and that's it.
2284: [23:26:02] <DaShiVaDan> but for the bunch i work with, they're not developers, and they 'know' WP :P
2285: [23:26:05] <Pyromanik> site made.
2286: [23:26:11] <unsignedint> and even though the old dev left, I stuck with SS so that my replacement atleast has some consistency
2287: [23:26:12] <Pyromanik> ha
2288: [23:26:24] <Pyromanik> what they 'know' is bad usability and TinyMCE.
2289: [23:26:29] <Pyromanik> SS uses TinyMCE.
2290: [23:26:34] <DaShiVaDan> yeah, well, I've looked at our Drupal sites, they're a nightmare
2291: [23:26:39] <Pyromanik> no excuses not to use the SS CMS.
2292: [23:26:46] <DaShiVaDan> whoever wrote them liked to put text content in images too :P
2293: [23:26:49] <Pyromanik> yeah, drupal is huge, and complex, and confusing.
2294: [23:26:56] <Pyromanik> lol
2295: [23:26:57] <unsignedint> TinyMCE is an asshole, it thinks it knows HTML better than you and strips out some attributes
2296: [23:27:00] <Pyromanik> designers are good like that'
2297: [23:27:09] <Pyromanik> "This font isn't on the internet, so I'll just make an image"
2298: [23:27:27] <Pyromanik> unsignedint: yes, but it's used in about every open source CMS
2299: [23:27:40] <Pyromanik> which makes them all pretty much the same for editing.
2300: [23:28:00] <unsignedint> oh yeah I know it definitely has its benefits, and in SS at least I can swap it out for something else very easily
2301: [23:29:02] <Pyromanik> Lunch time!
2302: [23:29:17] <unsignedint> nom nom
2303: [23:29:32] <unsignedint> I have leftover satay chicken rice thing from last nights dinner. What do you have?
2304: [23:30:23] <simon_w> I still don't know!
2305: [23:30:30] <DaShiVaDan> i used to use tinymce a lot, but yeah, it mangles content unpredictably sometimes, but from what I understood, it hands the content over to teh browser now right, and returns whatever the browser does (browser dependant)?
2306: [23:30:59] <ss23> numa numa just got a massive collective groan from office
2307: [23:30:59] <ss23> :D
2308: [23:31:01] <DaShiVaDan> but I love any wysiwyg editor that has a 'html' button :P
2309: [23:31:21] <simon_w> ss23, and you wonder why I wore headphones while I was there :p
2310: [23:31:23] <Colin[pi]> myah HIIII, myah HOOO, myah HAAA, myah HA HAAA
2311: [23:31:24] <unsignedint> TinyMCE has a HTML button, but when you save theres no guarantee it kept your HTML haha
2312: [23:31:28] <ss23> :D
2313: [23:31:31] <DaShiVaDan> unsignedint: lol
2314: [23:34:40] <DaShiVaDan> does 3.1 'do things' mostly similarly to 2.x? so what I am figuring out on 2.4 will be at least a good guide generally for 3.1?
2315: [23:35:57] <guzzlefry> In my experience it rips out a lot of HTML. :/
2316: [23:36:11] <DaShiVaDan> how do you mean?
2317: [23:37:42] <DaShiVaDan> and my question was more in relation to how it structures data with teh sitetree, pages, extending members and dataobjects and such, extending those methods as needed, and it auto building, etc - like if I run into an issue then how i fixed the same issue in 2.4 would be a good start into fixing a similar issue for 3.1
2318: [23:38:26] <DaShiVaDan> that's how it seems to me, but haven't had time to go over it really much
2319: [23:54:14] <guzzlefry> hm
2320: [23:55:01] * guzzlefry isn't familiar with 2.4.
2321: [23:56:08] <guzzlefry> Also, I have to use $this->owner->property in a method inside of a dataextension even though I declare the property in the dataextension anyway?

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