#silverstripe IRC Log

IRC log for 16 September 2013

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1: [00:02:10] <ss23> I <3 servers
2: [00:02:11] <ss23> :D
3: [00:11:05] <spronk> one of our machines is shitting itself
4: [00:11:23] <spronk> aaaaand taking our main app down
5: [00:11:26] <ss23> lol
6: [00:11:34] <ss23> spronk: Hire ss23 sysadmin exdroadanaidiaere :D
7: [00:11:41] <spronk> uehg
8: [00:11:51] * spronk has been pricing virtual hosting
9: [00:11:53] <spronk> that's managed
10: [00:11:59] <spronk> so i don't have to deal with any of this fucking bullshit
11: [00:12:07] <ss23> spronk: Lots of places do managed dedicated hosting too
12: [00:12:21] <spronk> yeah but dedicated is too hard
13: [00:12:36] <ss23> spronk: Amazon!
14: [00:12:37] <spronk> have to pay people lots of moeny to set up your own little cloud
15: [00:12:44] <spronk> yeah, looking into amazon
16: [00:12:49] <spronk> not 100% comfortable with shipping data oveseas though
17: [00:13:20] <ss23> Would you rather that it was only local, so the GCSB can share with all of 5eyes instead?
18: [00:13:24] <ss23> :P
19: [00:14:24] <spronk> see, government spy agencies i'm not so concerned about
20: [00:14:28] <spronk> private companies and individuals, i am
21: [00:14:39] <spronk> even then, it's more....
22: [00:14:46] <spronk> if people asjk
23: [00:14:48] <spronk> ask*
24: [00:14:52] <spronk> and we say... we send your personal details to usa
25: [00:15:00] <spronk> they're less comfortable than "it's all in nz"
26: [00:16:03] <Colin[pi]> brazil's president was spied on by the US, she's super pissed now
27: [00:16:18] <Colin[pi]> she wants to introduce legislation to keep all data in brazil
28: [00:16:31] <Colin[pi]> i.e. if you're facebook and you want to work here, you'll need to keep the data here
29: [00:16:46] <Colin[pi]> I can think of... one or two technical hurdles
30: [00:22:00] <simon_w> And then the hurdle of no one caring?
31: [00:25:52] <spronk> simon_w: your has_one module needs a screenie
32: [00:26:17] <simon_w> But it'll just be of form fields in the CMS
33: [00:26:30] <spronk> \ja
34: [00:26:34] <spronk> but that is handy
35: [00:26:52] <simon_w> Email me a patch then :p
36: [00:27:02] <spronk> lol
37: [00:35:29] <simon_w> Yaaay, another bug in entwine!
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39: [00:36:56] <spronk> o?
40: [00:37:33] <atmos> yay, free work jacket :)
41: [00:38:41] <simon_w> Nested namespace doesn't propagate jQuery things properly
42: [00:38:44] <simon_w> Mostly .empty()
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47: [00:56:11] * ss23 changed the topic to 'Welcome to #silverstripe discussion - IRC logs available: http://ss.org.nz/logs || Ask your question, don't ask about asking your question || 12th of Sept 2013: We have security releases for 2.4, 3.0 and 3.1. See http://ss.org.nz/2.4.12, http://ss.org.nz/3.0.6rc2 and http://ss.org.nz/3.1.0rc2 || Development mailing list: http://ss.org.nz/ss-dev | Happy Birthday simon_w!'
48: [00:56:16] <ss23> :D
49: [00:56:19] * ss23 claps
50: [00:59:11] <atmos> :D
51: [00:59:16] <atmos> I want linux now http://www.lifehacker.com.au/2013/09/the-elementary-desktop/
52: [00:59:29] <atmos> wait
53: [00:59:33] <atmos> he's from Welli
54: [00:59:37] <atmos> :D
55: [01:02:42] * simon_w should've tried harder to get on the jury :p
56: [01:03:12] <pippy> atmos: elementary ftw
57: [01:03:20] <pippy> one of the niceset linux distros out there
58: [01:03:52] <ss23> Sure you can say it, but when I do, they tell me I'm banned from going near any schools, elementaries or not, for the next 10 years
59: [01:04:56] <atmos> pippy: I'm installing it on my spare laptop tonight - so nice
60: [01:06:15] <pippy> if i didn't have osx i'd put it on my machine
61: [01:06:36] <pippy> i have it at work
62: [01:08:26] <atmos> pippy: yeah I'm about to buy a mac and sell my windows pc, this will definitely go on my spare
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66: [01:10:35] <ss23> https://gist.github.com/ss23/6575698
67: [01:10:38] <ss23> Anyone seen this? Github bug?
68: [01:11:22] <ss23> fuck
69: [01:11:22] <ss23> wrong URL
70: [01:11:24] <ss23> I am noob
71: [01:14:05] <atmos> ss23: any luck with the meta issue for us?
72: [01:14:18] <ss23> atmos: I replied!
73: [01:14:22] <ss23> atmos: Check your tickets :P
74: [01:14:24] <atmos> ?s:)
75: [01:14:29] <atmos> ss23: :0
76: [01:14:36] <atmos> bah
77: [01:14:41] <ss23> lol
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79: [01:15:05] <atmos> for whatever reason I'm not getting email updates on tickets
80: [01:15:19] <ss23> Hmm
81: [01:15:22] <ss23> That seems annoying
82: [01:15:53] <ss23> atmos: PM'd you quick link anway
83: [01:15:56] <ss23> though not sure if you normally use that URL :O
84: [01:16:17] <ss23> Also, figured out why you weren't getting them, atmos :P
85: [01:16:25] <ss23> You weren't on the list of people to email for the ticket
86: [01:16:29] <ss23> You're added now
87: [01:17:25] <atmos> ss23: thought so, tah
88: [01:17:44] <atmos> nice
89: [01:18:44] <atmos> I'll run a couple of tests and then update the ticket
90: [01:19:01] <Pyromanik> 12:59 < atmos> I want linux now http://www.lifehacker.com.au/2013/09/the-elementary-desktop/
91: [01:19:07] <Pyromanik> but this is nothing new
92: [01:19:55] <Pyromanik> also, Elementary based on Ubuntu.
93: [01:19:58] <Pyromanik> so it's ubuntu.
94: [01:20:02] <Pyromanik> which is debian
95: [01:20:05] <Pyromanik> which is all apt-get.
96: [01:20:08] <Pyromanik> which is :<
97: [01:20:10] <Pyromanik> nothx.
98: [01:20:52] <atmos> Pyromanik: lol
99: [01:21:24] <Pyromanik> but mostly because ubuntu blergh.
100: [01:21:52] <atmos> I'm way behind the 8 ball on anything linux
101: [01:22:23] <Pyromanik> It's a pity arch isn't more 'newbie friendly'
102: [01:22:36] <ss23> It's pretty much "Read the documentation" friendly, IMO
103: [01:22:45] <Pyromanik> It's not hard to make it as such, but requires typing at the command line to install.
104: [01:22:47] <atmos> ss23: awesome, looks good on the test you tried. I'll pass it Rich and let him play around with it
105: [01:22:48] <Pyromanik> so yeah.
106: [01:22:51] <Pyromanik> no newbie would ever use it
107: [01:22:57] <ss23> atmos: Sweet ^.^
108: [01:25:39] <atmos> ss23: what was it?
109: [01:26:09] <atmos> I honestly didn't look into it at all, really
110: [01:35:19] * atmos quit (Quit: Page closed)
111: [01:38:25] <simon_w> Hmm, birthday lunch. What to have...
112: [01:39:20] <Colin[pi]> birthday lolly cake
113: [01:39:47] * atmos has joined #silverstripe
114: [01:40:08] <simon_w> Don't got any
115: [01:40:35] <Colin[pi]> WELL GET BAKING
116: [01:40:43] <Colin[pi]> off you go!
117: [01:43:28] <simon_w> Baking? I don't think you understand how it's made
118: [01:44:07] <Pyromanik> simon_w: go somewhere where they give you free food for your birthday
119: [01:44:19] <Pyromanik> ps, Happy Birthday :)
120: [01:44:31] <simon_w> Going to one for dinner!
121: [01:44:34] <simon_w> Called my parents' :p
122: [01:44:53] <Colin[pi]> yes happy birthday sir!
123: [01:48:43] <ss23> atmos: There was nothing, I just set a meta tag and searched for it, and ti worked :O
124: [01:49:36] <Pyromanik> simon_w: nah I mean like a resturant
125: [01:49:56] <Pyromanik> then you can get more free foods at your folk's place tonight
126: [01:50:07] <Pyromanik> folks'
127: [01:50:15] <ss23> Blargh, I can't figure out how this works
128: [01:50:20] <ss23> Somewhere, the code is setting the "failed to login" message
129: [01:50:21] <ss23> BUT WHERE?!
130: [01:50:25] <atmos> ss23: black magic
131: [01:50:30] <ss23> irk
132: [01:54:23] <Pyromanik> ss23: ss login?
133: [01:55:59] <ss23> yeah
134: [01:56:00] <ss23> I think I found it
135: [01:56:04] <ss23> It's not easdy to track down though@
136: [01:56:04] <ss23> :O
137: [01:57:29] <simon_w> Bah, James just had to bring back a burger that I can smell
138: [01:58:12] <ss23> XD
139: [01:58:17] <ss23> simon_w: You wanted to go get noms
140: [01:58:18] <ss23> ?
141: [01:58:29] <simon_w> Wanted? I still do :p
142: [02:01:14] <ss23> simon_w: YOU WANNA GET NOMS WITH ME
143: [02:01:56] <simon_w> Might as well
144: [02:02:01] <ss23> :D
145: [02:02:08] <ss23> simon_w: Let me know when you wanna
146: [02:03:47] <atmos> I... I really can't handle when people say noms
147: [02:03:49] <atmos> :(
148: [02:03:53] * ss23 noms on atmos
149: [02:03:54] <ss23> :D
150: [02:03:59] <atmos> lol
151: [02:04:43] <ss23> I know that was a begruded lol
152: [02:04:54] <atmos> ss23: I'll flick an update to the ticket shortly - I think Richard may have found an issue in that it only seems to work with new pages
153: [02:04:56] <ss23> http://i.imgur.com/S3R9FSB.jpg
154: [02:05:06] <ss23> atmos: Coooooool ^.^
155: [02:05:41] <ss23> help simon_w I'm hungry, when did you want noms? ;_;
156: [02:06:38] <simon_w> Soon
157: [02:06:48] <ss23> mmk
158: [02:06:50] <ss23> I will hold out...
159: [02:13:29] <simon_w> ss23, 4 minutes
160: [02:13:33] <ss23> mmmk
161: [02:13:33] <ss23> :D
162: [02:13:42] * ss23 looks forward to noms
163: [02:13:43] <ss23> :3
164: [02:25:00] <Pyromanik> wtf ss23
165: [02:25:18] <Pyromanik> I dont' understand what being a Christian has to do with being privilleged.
166: [02:25:35] <Pyromanik> must be an american bingo thing.
167: [02:26:08] <atmos> also, Cis?
168: [02:26:53] * guzzlefry has left #silverstripe
169: [02:31:09] <Pyromanik> nfi
170: [02:31:34] <Pyromanik> Google suggests:
171: [02:31:46] <Pyromanik> Commonwealth of Independent States
172: [02:32:38] <atmos> lol, it sounds like someone who basically isn't sexist
173: [02:32:42] <Pyromanik> But that can't be right, it's pretty much the old Soviet Union.
174: [02:33:01] <atmos> <?php
175: [02:33:03] <atmos> bah
176: [02:33:14] <atmos> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cisgender
177: [02:33:32] <Colin[pi]> yep that'd be it
178: [02:33:39] <Pyromanik> mm
179: [02:33:41] <Pyromanik> yeh
180: [02:33:58] <Pyromanik> you don't mean "isn't sexist"
181: [02:34:07] <Pyromanik> I think you mean "isn't transsexual"
182: [02:34:23] <atmos> Pyromanik: wait
183: [02:34:32] <atmos> I was reading another cis related article
184: [02:34:34] <atmos> my bad
185: [02:35:13] <Pyromanik> Cis is a genus of tree-fungus beetle in the family Ciidae
186: [02:35:33] <Colin[pi]> it's also Comodo Internet Security
187: [02:35:40] <atmos> so in theory, unless you're NOT a cis, you're priveledged and everything else is superficial
188: [02:35:41] <atmos> :D
189: [02:50:58] <ss23> lol
190: [02:53:39] <spronk> the fuck is this bullshit
191: [02:54:14] <ss23> spronk is 10/10 privledged
192: [02:54:17] <Colin[pi]> lol
193: [02:54:47] <atmos> subsites!
194: [02:54:58] <ss23> DON'T ENRAGE THE BEAST, atmos :O
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196: [02:55:29] <spronk> it's not in my head
197: [02:56:16] <ss23> lol
198: [02:56:35] <Colin[pi]> mofoing subsites
199: [02:56:52] <spronk> apparently DNA have done a bit of work on it
200: [02:56:57] <spronk> and fixed a number of the issues i mentioned
201: [02:57:09] <spronk> so... pester willr to submit some pull reqs
202: [02:57:59] <ss23> Yeah, we did lots lately cause a client made us do it too
203: [02:58:15] <spronk> yeah
204: [02:58:19] <spronk> its a pretty sketchy module
205: [02:58:22] <spronk> man
206: [02:58:25] <spronk> agencies are gonna love SS soon
207: [02:58:29] <spronk> soooooo many bugs for them to charge to fix
208: [02:58:38] <ss23> hahahaha
209: [02:58:45] <ss23> I'm not sure thats the right attitude... :P
210: [02:59:06] <ss23> Dammit
211: [02:59:20] <ss23> the sun is at the perfect angle to have cars reflect sunlight on the *perfect* angle to get into my eyes
212: [02:59:26] <spronk> get some Gunnars
213: [02:59:32] <ss23> Think it only lasts for like 2 mins a day, so should be okay now
214: [03:00:12] <Colin[pi]> new bb is out
215: [03:00:30] <ss23> bb == ??
216: [03:01:05] <Colin[pi]> http://24.media.tumblr.com/d73ebc74c43b2213e1efad350ea36310/tumblr_mjxz5nq6eB1rqyydro1_500.gif
217: [03:02:41] <simon_w> backstreet boys?
218: [03:02:56] <atmos> Colin[pi]: I lost my shit in that episode
219: [03:03:24] <simon_w> atmos, did you look under the couch?
220: [03:03:41] <Colin[pi]> yeah you should really find it
221: [03:03:48] <atmos> XD
222: [03:04:19] <atmos> I know where it is
223: [03:04:31] <atmos> Walt Jr. ate it for breakfast
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225: [03:06:46] <Colin[pi]> google apps y u no show custom logo?
226: [03:08:43] <simon_w> Because you're not giving it enough data
227: [03:08:48] <Colin[pi]> "Changes to your header logo might not be reflected for up to one hour" - biggest IT infrastructure in the world. can't show a 143x59 png for an hour.
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229: [03:11:18] <atmos> Colin[pi]: whozit?
230: [03:12:44] <Colin[pi]> wat?
231: [03:13:11] <atmos> Colin[pi]: 'biggest IT struct...
232: [03:14:44] <Colin[pi]> google
233: [03:16:30] <atmos> ahhhh ^^^^
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235: [03:34:09] <Colin[pi]> had a meeting with someone the other day who uses filemaker, my first thought "people still use filemaker?"
236: [03:34:50] <simon_w> ss23, 2.4? Really?
237: [03:35:20] <ss23> simon_w: I HAVE TO ;_;
238: [03:35:24] <ss23> simon_w: It's breaking a bunch of 2.4 sites
239: [03:35:27] <ss23> IT'S A BUG FIX!!!!!!
240: [03:35:29] <ss23> :<
241: [03:35:30] <simon_w> You expect me to merge that?
242: [03:35:47] <ss23> simon_w: No, I expect *someone* to merge it though. I intentionally PM'd someone here at SilverStripe instead of going to you
243: [03:35:50] <simon_w> That it's not falling back to en_US seems more like a problem with your setup
244: [03:35:50] <ss23> :P
245: [03:35:53] <ss23> If it was 3.x+, I would've gone to you
246: [03:36:05] <ss23> simon_w: Regardless, it's a bug
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248: [03:38:27] <simon_w> Yes, but that's not the fix
249: [03:39:13] <ss23> Is too!
250: [03:39:19] <ss23> Every call to _t should have a fallback
251: [03:39:20] <ss23> I mean
252: [03:39:24] <ss23> There are *other* bugs too
253: [03:39:26] <simon_w> Nope
254: [03:39:28] <ss23> But nonetheless, that _t call is bad
255: [03:39:32] <simon_w> Nope
256: [03:39:45] <simon_w> The lack of en_NZ translations at all is bad
257: [03:39:56] <ss23> Sure, but irrelevant to the core issue
258: [03:39:59] <ss23> So what, the idea is that if a translation is ever not 100% finished, they'll just not get any messages/
259: [03:40:07] <ss23> Why do the other ones have English fallbacks, but for this one, nothing?
260: [03:40:19] <simon_w> https://github.com/silverstripe/silverstripe-cms/blob/2.4/lang/en_GB.php#L9-L17
261: [03:40:35] <simon_w> They should all have something like that, so that they fallback to en_US
262: [03:40:50] <ss23> simon_w: Then why do the _t calls have the default at all?
263: [03:41:08] <simon_w> So the text collector task can pick them
264: [03:41:33] <ss23> simon_w: In the case that you don't want to add a default (though I believe it should), the alternative (or an alternative at least) is to remove en_NZ from the valid locales, which I'm happy for someone to do instead, if they would prefer
265: [03:43:01] <simon_w> Or, you know, for _t() to fallback to i18n::default_locale() before using the default
266: [03:44:16] <ss23> I'm not fussed on what happens. This was the chance that had the least chance of causing a bug/regression, which is pretty important for 2.4, while fixing the effects of the underlying issue
267: [03:44:24] <ss23> Someone can fix it properly in 3.x, I just care about 2.4 being usable!
268: [03:44:55] <ss23> simon_w: Merged! :D
269: [03:45:04] <ss23> simon_w: Though it is noted in the merge message "doesn't solve the core problem"
270: [03:45:10] <ss23> I just don't care about fixing the real problems in 2.4
271: [03:45:13] <simon_w> Yes, I saw
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273: [03:47:56] <travis-ci> [travis-ci] silverstripe/silverstripe-framework#981 (2.4 - ac284ee : Stig Lindqvist): The build passed.
274: [03:47:56] <travis-ci> [travis-ci] Change view : https://github.com/silverstripe/silverstripe-framework/compare/d98c1db3a2b5...ac284eeff15c
275: [03:47:56] <travis-ci> [travis-ci] Build details : http://travis-ci.org/silverstripe/silverstripe-framework/builds/11401152
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277: [03:48:20] <ss23> :D
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279: [03:49:56] <guzzlefry> What was the reasoning for using Field::create over new Field()?
280: [03:50:07] <simon_w> "There were 3034 issues found in your code. The maximum allowed limit is 1000 issues."
281: [03:50:11] <simon_w> Not bad ss23 :p
282: [03:50:12] <ss23> Syntatical reasons, guzzlefry
283: [03:50:18] <ss23> hahah simon_w, it wasn't me! :P
284: [03:50:24] <simon_w> guzzlefry, it allows the Injector to work
285: [03:51:01] <simon_w> ss23, your pull request :p
286: [03:51:23] <ss23> simon_w: pish posh, I see Stigs name there!
287: [03:51:25] * ss23 runs away :D
288: [03:51:54] <simon_w> https://scrutinizer-ci.com/g/silverstripe/silverstripe-framework/inspections/c3137d1a-da82-4ac0-9087-6e58ec2b76c8
289: [03:52:09] <simon_w> Pull Request, not commit :p
290: [03:55:06] <atmos> hipster metal!
291: [03:55:45] <Colin[pi]> wat: http://www.ratatatmusic.com/
292: [03:55:51] <ss23> Listening to Rise Against, so I can be a real first world anarchist
293: [03:55:59] <ss23> o/ o/ o/ FUCK THE SYSTEM, THE MAN WILL NEVER CONTROL ME
294: [03:56:46] <atmos> Dillenger Escape Plan, my headphone cord got detached and it freaked out all the sqaures
295: [03:56:50] <atmos> squares*
296: [03:56:57] <ss23> hahahahahah
297: [03:57:07] <guzzlefry> haha
298: [03:57:11] <guzzlefry> atmos: good job :P
299: [03:57:25] <ss23> I dunno what people would think if I started playing Draconian out loud :<
300: [03:57:51] <atmos> and now the office is debating whether screaming is music
301: [03:58:08] <ss23> hahahaha
302: [03:58:49] * Pyromanik jives on with electro-swing
303: [03:59:07] <ss23> I'm switching to Opeth
304: [03:59:12] <ss23> It was either that or more Rise Against
305: [03:59:12] <ss23> :O
306: [03:59:34] * guzzlefry used to listen to metal back in his day.
307: [03:59:53] <atmos> it depends what I'm doing
308: [04:00:20] <guzzlefry> For some reason metal music made math a lot easier for me.
309: [04:00:34] <atmos> guzzlefry: +1
310: [04:01:06] <Bollig|DesignCty> simon_w: you about? I have *yet another* question......
311: [04:01:24] <simon_w> Bollig|DesignCty, ask the guy that works for SS! :p
312: [04:01:26] <atmos> usually it's just spotify on electro radio
313: [04:01:55] <Bollig|DesignCty> it's not an ss question, it's a diving on os x question…. so I thought I'd try the resident expert/fanboy :)
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315: [04:02:58] <ss23> hahhaha Bollig|DesignCty :D
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317: [04:03:33] <guzzlefry> gusy
318: [04:03:35] <guzzlefry> gusy
319: [04:03:38] <guzzlefry> damnit
320: [04:03:43] <guzzlefry> guys :P
321: [04:03:49] <ss23> My music isn't streaming
322: [04:03:50] <ss23> :<
323: [04:03:51] <Colin[pi]> lol
324: [04:03:52] <guzzlefry> is The Faceless any good?
325: [04:03:55] <simon_w> Who's this Gusy?
326: [04:03:56] <ss23> Never heard
327: [04:03:57] <atmos> guzzlefry: YES
328: [04:04:14] <Bollig|DesignCty> simon_w: we talked last week about dev'ing locally on os x… Have you/do you bother using a virtual box to do it?
329: [04:04:21] <atmos> guzzlefry: new album only for me though
330: [04:04:25] <guzzlefry> k, might actually try to make it to the show. It's them and Between the Buried and Me.
331: [04:04:34] <atmos> ?g:O
332: [04:04:39] <atmos> guzzlefry: :O
333: [04:04:42] <simon_w> Bollig|DesignCty, I use a VM for doing HHVM work (since it doesn't work on OSX), but don't bother for anything else
334: [04:04:43] <atmos> really?
335: [04:04:50] <guzzlefry> yes :P
336: [04:04:54] <atmos> where?
337: [04:05:00] <guzzlefry> Jacksonville, FL
338: [04:05:10] <atmos> jelly
339: [04:05:16] <Bollig|DesignCty> simon_w: just not worth the effort, or actively worse do you think?
340: [04:05:35] <ss23> I hate the default OSX ulities etc, I'm too used to GNU/Linux
341: [04:05:36] <ss23> :<
342: [04:05:41] <ss23> Their way more strict in flags and stuff
343: [04:06:00] <guzzlefry> Isn't the file structure non-unixy also?
344: [04:06:03] <simon_w> Bollig|DesignCty, not worth the effort, never really seen the point
345: [04:06:14] <simon_w> guzzlefry, OSX is UNIX
346: [04:06:15] <atmos> guzzlefry: BTBAM is awesome
347: [04:06:23] <guzzlefry> I know!
348: [04:06:34] <guzzlefry> atmos: Have you heard of Circle Takes the Square?
349: [04:06:35] <simon_w> So, how can UNIX have a non-UNIX file structure?
350: [04:06:44] <atmos> guzzlefry: oh yeah
351: [04:07:06] <guzzlefry> simon_w: I don't know! I thought their naming scheme was slightly different. /sites instead of /var/www/ and a few other things.
352: [04:07:45] <ss23> guzzlefry: That difference is defined bt FHS, which is Linux, not UNIX
353: [04:08:10] <guzzlefry> ah, gotcha
354: [04:08:22] <ss23> I don't thinke UNIX certification included a specific directory structure (though I haven't looked)
355: [04:08:50] <simon_w> Well, it probably just specifies customisability
356: [04:09:44] <simon_w> Like, I can move my home directory out of /Users
357: [04:12:29] <ss23> At a certain point, I'm like... I can spend ages "fixing" OSX to how I like it... or I could just use Linux
358: [04:12:40] <simon_w> Says the Windows user
359: [04:12:48] <ss23> Same reason I use windows 7 over Windows 8. Sure I can install things to fix it, but I would rather just deal with the better solutionn
360: [04:13:48] <simon_w> I've found the POSIX flags usually make more sense than the GNU
361: [04:13:53] <simon_w> ones
362: [04:14:07] <ss23> --posix-me-harder
363: [04:14:52] <Bollig|DesignCty> thanks simon_w (et al)
364: [04:17:42] <atmos> too many things to validate :(
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366: [04:19:05] * simon_w validates YOUR FACE
367: [04:19:09] * simon_w finds it invalid
368: [04:19:23] <ss23> :O
369: [04:20:05] <atmos> *quickly pulls face out of .govt.nz domain*
370: [04:20:11] <atmos> *is now valid*
371: [04:21:29] <guzzlefry> For SS E-mail templates, do I include doctype declarations, <html>, <head>, or <body>?
372: [04:21:47] <guzzlefry> Well, I guess this would apply to HTML E-mail in general. :P
373: [04:22:07] <atmos> ?g^
374: [04:22:10] <atmos> FFFFFFFFFFFFFFF
375: [04:22:38] * guzzlefry hides
376: [04:22:38] <atmos> guzzlefry: pretty much
377: [04:23:18] <spronk> anyone here use amazon RDS?
378: [04:23:28] <Colin[pi]> hey simon_w, my gf saw me on that cookie site last night
379: [04:23:30] <spronk> does scaling up and down instance require database downtime?
380: [04:23:34] <Colin[pi]> she thought I was doing online gambling
381: [04:23:42] <simon_w> Colin[pi], busted!
382: [04:23:50] <Colin[pi]> GAMBLING WITH COOKIES
383: [04:25:49] <atmos> speaking of emails, anyone ever used Mailchimp with SS?
384: [04:28:38] <Pyromanik> is groupedlist applied to arraylist?
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387: [04:29:06] <Pyromanik> $arraylist->GroupedBy() doesn't seem to be erroring on func not found, but I'm not sure it's workign either as there's no test data :(
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389: [04:33:59] <atmos> Can't help but read that as 'nickelback'
390: [04:34:06] <Pyromanik> oic, ListDecorator is actually a decorator, not an extension
391: [04:34:31] <Pyromanik> legit
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396: [04:46:24] <sam_> Hi i need help on specifyting URL field to add http:// prefix
397: [04:47:28] <sam_> http://www.sspaste.com/paste/show/52368c1948f79
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400: [04:50:23] <nick86> Hi all, I am trying to get Static Caching working by following the SS documentation but it appears to be out of date (3.1 doc 404s).
401: [04:50:32] <nick86> I am getting the following error:
402: [04:50:33] <nick86> Fatal error: Object::add_extension() - Can't find extension class for "FilesystemPublisher"
403: [04:50:44] <nick86> What does 3.1 use?
404: [04:52:04] <simon_w> The static publish module
405: [04:52:24] <simon_w> https://github.com/silverstripe-labs/silverstripe-staticpublisher
406: [04:52:52] <nick86> excellent thanks simon_w!
407: [04:53:06] <Jayden90> is http://doc.silverstripe.org/framework/en/3.1/howto/cache-control basicly to do with this https://github.com/h5bp/html5-boilerplate/blob/master/.htaccess#L442 ??
408: [04:54:02] <simon_w> Jayden90, yes, but PHP requests
409: [04:55:30] <Jayden90> Thanks Simon. Is it better to remove .php from the .htaccess cache stuff then and let SilverStripe handle it?
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411: [04:56:37] <Jayden90> oh, h5bp does not have .php in there anyway
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413: [05:05:05] <sam_> hi,...
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415: [05:05:35] <sam_> can anybody help me on adding a prefix http:// in text field?
416: [05:06:11] <guzzlefry> sam_: What do you mean?
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419: [05:08:31] <sam_> there is an image... need to do href to external site
420: [05:08:41] <sam_> http://www.sspaste.com/paste/show/52368c1948f79
421: [05:08:57] <sam_> this ia my cms area code
422: [05:12:27] <guzzlefry> ah, not sure on that.
423: [05:13:28] <sam_> ok...
424: [05:14:02] <guzzlefry> sam_: Checking something
425: [05:14:17] <guzzlefry> Do you just need the link in a template?
426: [05:15:17] <guzzlefry> $AbsoluteURL might work...
427: [05:15:46] <sam_> ok...
428: [05:15:49] <sam_> let me try
429: [05:17:15] <guzzlefry> err sorry
430: [05:17:31] <guzzlefry> $Photo.AbsoluteURL
431: [05:18:54] <Jayden90> simon_w: cache-control does not seem to be doing any of the things the docs say are "default"
432: [05:19:21] <Jayden90> For a typical page getting this response: Cache-Control: no-cache, max-age=0, must-revalidate, no-transform
433: [05:20:05] <Jayden90> does it have to be turned on somehow? we even set our environment to "live" because we thought it might be that
434: [05:20:25] <Jayden90> http://doc.silverstripe.org/framework/en/3.1/howto/cache-control
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440: [05:40:32] <wilr_> Jayden90 see the same thing in 3.1, picking docs have changed
441: [05:41:39] <wilr_> looks like you may need to set HTTP::set_cache_age(20)
442: [05:41:43] <wilr_> or whatever.
443: [05:43:19] <Jayden90> the 3.1 docs say Cache-Control is set to "max-age=86400" by default, do they just need to be updated?
444: [05:43:42] <Jayden90> I assume HTTP::set_cache_age(20) goes in the config.php
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447: [05:48:49] <Jayden90> That had no effect
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455: [06:23:07] <sam_> hi...
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457: [06:23:24] <sam_> can anybody help me on spam protection in silverstripe 2.4?
458: [06:26:11] <Colin[pi]> sam_: possibly, I use the spam protection module with recaptcha in 2.4
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460: [06:27:24] <sam_> ok....
461: [06:27:29] <sam_> I will try for it
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463: [06:34:53] <sam_> hi Colin[pi] its give me error Class 'SpamProtectorField' not found
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465: [06:43:26] <Colin[pi]> sam_: you have the spamprotection folder copied to the docroot?
466: [06:44:08] <sam_> Yes.. its installed....
467: [06:44:13] <sam_> but need a help...
468: [06:44:22] <Colin[pi]> did you do a flush?
469: [06:44:41] <sam_> how to implement it on the forms.. generated by template
470: [06:45:34] <sam_> http://www.sspaste.com/paste/show/5236a7c726e07
471: [06:48:26] <Colin[pi]> sam_: I do it from the controller method that returns the form
472: [06:48:51] <Colin[pi]> $form = new PlanningTournForm();
473: [06:48:52] <Colin[pi]> SpamProtectorManager::update_form($form);
474: [06:48:55] <Colin[pi]> return $form;
475: [06:49:09] <sam_> ok
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477: [06:51:44] <Bollig|DesignCty> simon_w: do you just add .DS_Store to svn ignore when dev'ing on os x or do you have a better solution?
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481: [06:56:11] <Jayden90> We are attempting the set up the staticpublisher module but are runing into the same issue as this person: https://github.com/silverstripe-labs/silverstripe-staticpublisher/issues/23
482: [06:58:15] <Jayden90> on first /dev/buildcache?flush=1 "method 'setsession' does not exist on 'RebuildStaticCacheTask'"
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485: [07:07:23] <sam_> Colin[pi]: Please check... not getting implemented....http://golf.kc316.com/?flush=1
486: [07:07:38] <sam_> I have implemented on the left side form
487: [07:08:08] * spronk provisions 4 vms at once
488: [07:08:09] <spronk> fuck yeah
489: [07:09:06] <sam_> http://www.sspaste.com/paste/show/5236a7c726e07
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493: [07:17:19] <g4b0> hi all
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498: [07:35:43] <peterupaulo> hello good day.
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507: [07:54:32] <g4b0> how can I give a user the permission to create root pages, without making him admin?
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517: [08:14:32] <twnkl> We have a multilingual site and wish to change the page type of our pages to a new container/holder, is it enough to change the original language page type?
518: [08:14:59] <twnkl> I'm asking since in the individual translations (i.e. when editing sitetree in the secondary language) the page type is static/not a dropdown
519: [08:18:01] <twnkl> Well, changing page type on the original page did unlock the dropdown in the translation, and then turned it into read only when set to the same value as the original page, so I guess that's the way to do it =)
520: [08:19:09] <peterupaulo> Hi, I would like to ask if I could have multiple data extension for Member class?. thank you
521: [08:20:09] <Zauberfisch_> peterupaulo: yes you can
522: [08:22:36] <twnkl> Is there a way to "cut the bond" between a page and it's translation, to make the translation an independent page? Or does it have to be re-created?
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524: [08:27:41] <Zauberfisch_> haven't done multi lang sites in a while
525: [08:28:35] <Zauberfisch_> but there are several modules that take different ways
526: [08:30:27] <Zauberfisch_> the default translate module: https://github.com/silverstripe/silverstripe-translatable
527: [08:30:36] <twnkl> Ah, I think the one we use is called just "translatable" or similar, but I think the easiest way is to just throw out the existing SiteTree all-together instead of trying to work around it
528: [08:31:07] <Zauberfisch_> alternative 1: https://github.com/tractorcow/silverstripe-fluent
529: [08:31:26] <twnkl> Thanks for the tip
530: [08:32:36] <Zauberfisch_> alternative 2 (very basic but very easy I think): https://github.com/unclecheese/TranslatableDataObject/blob/master/TranslatableDataObject.php
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533: [08:35:38] <twnkl> Zauberfisch_: Oh nice, I can definitely see a use for that last one, is quite often we don't need translations in the site tree but just the associated data, so that might be an option in the future. Thanks!
534: [08:36:08] <twnkl> Unrelated question; Is there any mod/hack for a combined "Save & Close" button when editing dataobjects from the gridfield?
535: [08:36:13] <sam__> hi... can anybody help me on passwordvalidator class?
536: [08:36:34] <sam__> actually, it does not display any messages to user
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539: [08:43:49] <sam__> Hi.... please help me on password validator
540: [08:44:41] <sam__> the passwords gets validated... if criteria is not fulfilled, its not getting written to database... but on client side no message is getting displayed
541: [08:45:23] <Zauberfisch_> sam__: front or backend?
542: [08:46:59] <sam__> front end
543: [08:56:47] <Zauberfisch_> sam__: could it be that you are using only html5 validation and the client has a browser that does not display the html5 messages?
544: [09:01:58] <sam__> what can I do for that?
545: [09:03:23] <Zauberfisch_> you could disable it and repalce it with your own javascript validation
546: [09:03:44] <sam__> ok
547: [09:03:46] <Zauberfisch_> or you disable it and just don't have any javascript validation at all but instead just use the php validation
548: [09:05:34] <sam__> ok
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556: [09:21:22] <Guits> Is it possible to set permissions on different dataobjects in the same way as you can do it on pages?
557: [09:22:24] <ss23> Instances of dataobjects? HMm
558: [09:22:34] <ss23> I don't think so.... but I'm not sure how it's done for pages, it might be an extension...
559: [09:22:37] <ss23> I mean
560: [09:22:49] <ss23> Guits: You can add it, make a new field for the stuff you want, then check it an overridden canview
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562: [09:23:26] <Guits> So ..nothing "out of the box" ?
563: [09:23:42] <Guits> ..don really understand overridden canview
564: [09:23:57] <Guits> don't
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566: [09:25:54] <jcwacky> Suddenly the "Styles" & "Paragraph" TinyMCE drop downs are labelled "advanced.style_select" & "advanced.block", any idea what's causing this: http://spdr.me/B3lN
567: [09:28:02] <ss23> Guits: I'm not sure if there is something out of the box... there might be, if you look at how it's done for pages, but I don't know off hand
568: [09:28:48] <Zauberfisch_> I don't think there
569: [09:28:49] <Zauberfisch_> is
570: [09:29:03] <Zauberfisch_> or actually, I am pretty sure there is nothing built in for that
571: [09:29:25] <ss23> Hmm
572: [09:29:29] <ss23> Should be refactored out into an extension
573: [09:29:36] <ss23> Like I need to finish for the old page redirector stuff >.>
574: [09:29:52] <Zauberfisch_> ss23: do you also do core fixes / features?
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576: [09:33:47] <ss23> I need all the things#
577: [09:33:49] <ss23> :D
578: [09:33:56] <ss23> But I have enough work, if that's what you were asking :P
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580: [09:50:16] <jcwacky> This is odd, can't work out where "advanced." is coming from: http://spdr.me/NLmE
581: [09:50:29] <jcwacky> Same _config and SS version as another site that doesn't have the issue.
582: [10:00:21] <twnkl> I have a problem switching theme.. o_O even though I've changed the line in _config.php _and_ the setting in the /admin/ (siteconfig) to the new theme it still renders with the old one, there is no other instance of "set_theme()" in the code and I have no idea where to start looking
583: [10:01:02] <twnkl> I've done the ?flush=all, and I tried relying on only set_theme() in _config.php and setting configsite to "default theme"
584: [10:01:57] <twnkl> How can I debug that? ?showtemplate=1 doesn't give any information about how the selection process works/where it gets the old theme name from
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586: [10:06:34] <twnkl> Argh, there were hidden/unavailable localized siteconfig objects lying around in the database that had the old theme. More than one hour wasted. :/
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604: [12:02:28] <jcwacky> How can I remove an extension using config.yml?
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607: [12:22:31] <r3v3rb> hi all
608: [12:23:47] <g4b0> how can I give a user the permission to create root pages, without making him admin?
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612: [13:15:39] <Sjohn> Hey
613: [13:21:40] <Sjohn> does a booking module for silverstripe exist?
614: [13:23:24] <Sjohn> or is this custom development?
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618: [13:45:39] <digitaldesign> I installed and developed a site on a server in a folder. now i am switching it live and have pointed a new domain to the folder effectively changing the path. how can i reset the base URL ? it seems to still remember the old path . I've tried flushing the cache. www.naomitroski.net
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639: [15:52:22] <sam__> hi...
640: [15:52:30] <sam__> need help on amti spamming
641: [15:52:42] <sam__> in silverstripe 2.4
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644: [16:00:07] <g4b0> t
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646: [16:03:02] <Nivery> how can i have the output of url parameters like show template or debug request show up in a different color? it's black text on a black header right now and i'd prefer not to have to highlight the text or go to the resources tab in chrome to see the output
647: [16:06:24] <Nivery> or change the color in dev tools temporarily
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667: [18:19:55] <guzzlefry> I'm a bit confused...
668: [18:20:11] <guzzlefry> Should $has_many, $db, $many_many be public or private?
669: [18:46:59] <UndefinedOffset> guzzlefry in 3.0 public in 3.1 + private
670: [18:47:13] <guzzlefry> ah
671: [18:47:22] <guzzlefry> I'm surprised 3.1 isn't yelling at me then.
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674: [18:58:12] <guzzlefry> gah so
675: [18:58:48] <guzzlefry> HomePage has one Slideshow, Slideshow has many/many Sliders, Slider has one Image.
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678: [19:03:57] <guzzlefry> <% loop $Slideshow.Slider %> doesn't seem to work.
679: [19:07:52] <UndefinedOffset> it maybe related to that then
680: [19:12:42] <guzzlefry> okay so, <% with $Slideshow %>$Slider.Debug<% end_with %>
681: [19:12:45] <guzzlefry> I get UnsavedRelationList
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683: [19:19:39] <guzzlefry> ah
684: [19:20:14] <guzzlefry> The CMS DropdownField for $has_one = array("Slideshow"); isn't saving...
685: [19:23:51] * guzzlefry grumbles.
686: [19:24:43] <guzzlefry> SlideshowID is what I want to save into I think. :P
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690: [20:20:34] <atmos> hmmmm what's the primary advantage of the CWP?
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695: [20:22:49] <atmos> if we (agencies) already have all the control we need, what else is there besides streamlined support?
696: [20:25:25] <atmos> I don't get it :(
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701: [20:37:13] <atmos> ss23: any thoughts?
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704: [20:47:42] <simon_w> atmos, he'd have no idea
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714: [21:03:34] <Pyromanik> Morn'n
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716: [21:05:23] <guzzlefry> afternoon
717: [21:05:55] <atmos> simon_w: ah
718: [21:05:59] <atmos> it's all so vague
719: [21:17:34] <guzzlefry> Are there any built-in lists for things like States/Provinces?
720: [21:17:58] <zippy__> Morning
721: [21:18:16] <zippy__> guzzlefry: What do you mean? like, the actual names of States? or….
722: [21:18:24] <zippy__> guzzlefry: what are you trying to do
723: [21:19:53] <guzzlefry> zippy__: Just a predefined list of States for the U.S. at the moment. I know there's a CountryDropdownField or something, not sure about regions.
724: [21:20:27] <zippy__> I don't thik so, but perhaps you could search the code for States? or look for CountryDropdownField and see what other options there are
725: [21:22:23] <simon_w> guzzlefry, there isn't
726: [21:22:42] <simon_w> Can you imagine how unwieldily something like that would be?
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730: [21:24:59] <guzzlefry> simon_w: Suggestions on where to put an array containing States/codes? It's used in several places.
731: [21:25:19] <simon_w> guzzlefry, form field subclass
732: [21:25:42] <guzzlefry> oh, I should thought of that. :P
733: [21:25:43] <guzzlefry> thanks
734: [21:33:31] <guzzlefry> So for 3.1, should all overridden class variables be private?
735: [21:33:40] <guzzlefry> $managed_models, $url_segment, etc.
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737: [21:36:00] <simon_w> Are they private in the parent class?
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739: [21:38:35] <guzzlefry> simon_w: Not sure, I was hoping there was some sort of consensus on that, rather than having to check every variable.
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741: [21:38:55] <simon_w> Well, you make them private to start with
742: [21:39:04] <simon_w> Then, if they error, you know they should be public instead
743: [21:39:23] <guzzlefry> ah, good enough :)
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745: [21:41:37] <Peavers> Folks.
746: [21:42:03] <guzzlefry> Evening sir
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748: [21:45:37] <Pyromanik> fuck caching.
749: [21:46:05] <Stomach> no deal!
750: [21:52:54] <Pyromanik> ok so
751: [21:52:58] <Pyromanik> querying a remote JSON API
752: [21:53:04] <Pyromanik> get data
753: [21:53:05] <Pyromanik> cool
754: [21:53:11] <Pyromanik> push up a new thing to add to the data
755: [21:53:16] <Pyromanik> 200 OK
756: [21:53:23] <Pyromanik> pull down data with same query as first
757: [21:53:37] <Pyromanik> old (original, as in query 1) data returned
758: [21:53:58] <Pyromanik> manual cli curl -> new data returned.
759: [21:54:00] <Pyromanik> wtfballs
760: [21:54:04] <simon_w> fix it fix it fix it fix it fix it
761: [21:54:05] <Pyromanik> local machine
762: [21:54:17] <Pyromanik> don't know how don't know how don't know where to start
763: [21:54:38] <Pyromanik> I'm assuming that php_curl is caching my results somewheres?
764: [21:54:47] <Pyromanik> but can't find any reference to that on the interwebs.
765: [21:54:53] <simon_w> Doubt it
766: [21:54:56] <Pyromanik> yeh
767: [21:54:57] <Pyromanik> so
768: [21:55:02] <Pyromanik> could it be my local machine?
769: [21:55:10] <Pyromanik> in such case, why does cmd curl work?
770: [21:56:38] <simon_w> Doubt it
771: [21:58:13] <Peavers> Pyromanik, mate, you seem a bit mad... wall of spam!
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773: [22:00:22] <Peavers> There isn't anything that would be stopping jquery.cookie from working I need to disable/purge/kill/remove from SS is there?
774: [22:01:48] <Pyromanik> Peavers: full mad @ cache
775: [22:02:17] <Pyromanik> tea and pool time
776: [22:02:20] <Pyromanik> that'll cheer me up
777: [22:02:31] <Peavers> Nope it would just seem that my IDE didn't upload jquery.cookie to the server... issue solved...
778: [22:02:35] <Peavers> wish it was beer time to be honest.
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780: [22:05:56] <guzzlefry> hrm
781: [22:06:26] <guzzlefry> How do I add notes for a field in the CMS, or would a LiteralField under the actual field be best?
782: [22:07:49] <ss23> "Technically, Abbott's cabinet has zero human female ministers, as Julie Bishop is clearly a reptilian. WAKE UP SHEEPLE."
783: [22:10:23] <guzzlefry> 0.o
784: [22:11:16] <guzzlefry> Sometimes I think it would have been better if that V miniseries never aired. :P
785: [22:11:34] <atmos> ^this
786: [22:14:02] <ss23> 08:22:46 < atmos> if we (agencies) already have all the control we need, what else is there besides streamlined support?
787: [22:14:06] <ss23> Platform!
788: [22:14:14] <ss23> Like, we deal with all hosting and environment issues
789: [22:19:55] <simon_w> Sheeple!
790: [22:19:56] <simon_w> You can be one of the crowd
791: [22:20:31] <ss23> If you ever have issues with any of the supported modules (e.g. search), they'll be fixed at no cost, atmos (though not sure on timeframes, they're often very busy)
792: [22:20:42] <ss23> All this being said, you probalby shouldn't take my word as gospel, I might get things wrong
793: [22:23:28] <Colin[pi]> lol ss23
794: [22:23:53] <Colin[pi]> Abbott: sending Australia back to the 1950's
795: [22:25:41] <simon_w> Colin[pi], egg his house!
796: [22:26:01] <Colin[pi]> he's having it renovated firsty
797: [22:26:04] <Colin[pi]> *first
798: [22:27:27] <guzzlefry> Question! If I extend a class, and call parentclass::get(), will it pull in records of the subclass?
799: [22:27:36] <simon_w> yes
800: [22:27:39] <Colin[pi]> yup
801: [22:27:45] <guzzlefry> ah, this is not what I want. :/
802: [22:27:56] <Stomach> you can filter on classname then :)
803: [22:28:13] <guzzlefry> Ah so, custom getter thingy?
804: [22:28:17] <guzzlefry> I think...
805: [22:28:42] <Stomach> EggBox::get()->filter("ClassName = 'Eggbox'") or something
806: [22:28:45] <simon_w> Oh goody, questions about the rational of something before thinking about it
807: [22:29:44] <simon_w> Controller->httpError() doesn't end up sending error emails. I wonder why.
808: [22:30:11] <Colin[pi]> you broke it
809: [22:30:51] <simon_w> No, it's by design
810: [22:31:38] <Colin[pi]> oh so it's a "feature"?
811: [22:32:00] <simon_w> Think about what httpError() does
812: [22:32:27] <simon_w> It not sending emails is a good thing
813: [22:32:49] <Colin[pi]> breaks the "one and only one responsibility" rule? ;)
814: [22:32:50] <Pyromanik> http://api.silverstripe.org/3.1/source-class-RestfulService.html#170
815: [22:32:53] <Pyromanik> FFFFFFFFF
816: [22:32:58] <simon_w> Colin[pi], 404s
817: [22:33:31] <Colin[pi]> eek yeah that would not be pretty
818: [22:33:40] <guzzlefry> So you don't get Emails about missing /phpmyadmin? :P
819: [22:34:52] <Pyromanik> also
820: [22:34:54] <Pyromanik> ROFL ABBOT
821: [22:35:12] <Pyromanik> I dont' even speak aussie and I know who that is.
822: [22:35:12] <Colin[pi]> that's going to be the summary of his tenure... "ROFL ABBOTT"
823: [22:35:29] <Pyromanik> wait, that choker made it in?
824: [22:35:34] <Pyromanik> o.0
825: [22:35:51] <atmos> ss23: so that's kinda it?
826: [22:35:57] <Pyromanik> who the fuck would vote for abb... oh middle aged white male australia.
827: [22:36:06] <Pyromanik> bl aussie, u fux'd if that's the case.
828: [22:36:41] <Pyromanik> www.youtube.com/watch?v=0b2JQVp_VCU
829: [22:36:57] <ss23> atmos: I don't know what "that" is. It's like... it cuts out ~50% of your management/costs, no more sysadmin, etc. like
830: [22:37:00] <ss23> That is it, it is what it is :S
831: [22:37:04] <Colin[pi]> I believe the word you're looking for is "dickheads"
832: [22:38:20] <atmos> ss23: just trying to see if it would be worth signing up for, as we seem to have all those benefits minus the reduced support costs
833: [22:39:01] <Colin[pi]> Pyromanik: did you see this one? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DB7cVFY_LCg
834: [22:39:11] <ss23> atmos: Hmm, if you want, I can get someone to like, talk to your company about it...
835: [22:39:17] <ss23> But I'm not sure if it'll be super-mega marketting speak
836: [22:39:18] <ss23> :P
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839: [22:39:56] <Pyromanik> Colin[pi]: is he seriously your PM now?
840: [22:40:04] <ss23> atmos: If you already have robust hosting infrastructure and sysadmins in place, I doubt it would be a massive advantage
841: [22:40:10] <Colin[pi]> Yes.
842: [22:40:21] <Colin[pi]> Average Australians = fucking idiots
843: [22:40:22] <ss23> atmos: some other government departments have been... annoyed, because they have all the infra for themselves, but DIA is pushing it on them
844: [22:40:50] <guzzlefry> s/Australian/Person
845: [22:40:54] <atmos> ss23: yeah we've already had our SS account manager try to push it
846: [22:40:56] <Pyromanik> Colin[pi]: omg
847: [22:41:05] <Pyromanik> so he's going to set up the boatphone?
848: [22:41:09] <Colin[pi]> guzzlefry: 1==1
849: [22:41:16] <ss23> haha atmos :P
850: [22:41:32] <Colin[pi]> Pyromanik: he pitched into the election on a "we'll buy the Indonesian fishing boats" platform
851: [22:41:33] <guzzlefry> Colin[pi]: You were being discriminate :P
852: [22:41:41] <Colin[pi]> and now has been curiously quiet on the matter
853: [22:41:47] <Pyromanik> guzzlefry: tautology
854: [22:41:58] <guzzlefry> Word I do not understand. :(
855: [22:42:04] <Pyromanik> Colin[pi]: by 'buy' I think he means 'sink'.
856: [22:42:26] <Pyromanik> guzzlefry: zomg
857: [22:42:32] <Colin[pi]> personally what I think happened is that people voted for the party and not the leader
858: [22:42:38] <Colin[pi]> they were sick of Labor and wanted a change
859: [22:42:43] <Pyromanik> Colin[pi]: that's... unfortunate.
860: [22:42:53] <Pyromanik> start an impeachment movement.
861: [22:43:01] <Colin[pi]> I can only hope that's the reason, because no right thinking person could possibly think he's a capable leader
862: [22:43:11] <Pyromanik> rofl, not even a capable.
863: [22:43:33] <Colin[pi]> he is our George Dubbya
864: [22:43:33] <Pyromanik> the caper of the uncapable PM.
865: [22:43:58] <Pyromanik> nekminnit, Aus at war with Indonesia.
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867: [22:44:20] <simon_w> Labor is still the party with the most votes
868: [22:44:34] <Colin[pi]> um
869: [22:44:59] <simon_w> Collation isn't called that for no reason :p
870: [22:45:19] <Colin[pi]> well yes coalition was elected, not just liberals
871: [22:45:36] <Pyromanik> Labor?
872: [22:45:48] <Pyromanik> did you move to The US of America?
873: [22:46:05] <simon_w> Pyromanik, these aussies try to copy the US as much as possible
874: [22:46:09] <Colin[pi]> that's what they're called
875: [22:46:12] <Pyromanik> it's true.
876: [22:46:26] <Pyromanik> Colin[pi]: r u fkn srs rite nw?
877: [22:46:34] <Colin[pi]> 100% serious!
878: [22:46:38] <Colin[pi]> that's how they spell it
879: [22:46:54] <Colin[pi]> http://www.alp.org.au/
880: [22:47:13] <Pyromanik> Abbot's first legislation? http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Australia_policy
881: [22:47:54] <Colin[pi]> first thing he wants to do is remove the carbon tax
882: [22:48:07] <Pyromanik> yeah
883: [22:48:11] <Pyromanik> such a good idea.
884: [22:48:31] <Colin[pi]> http://i.imgur.com/k4q2Ljb.jpg
885: [22:48:50] <Pyromanik> then it'll be allowing mines to operate anywhere
886: [22:48:54] <Pyromanik> then it'll be fencing the mines
887: [22:49:10] <Pyromanik> then it'll be an "Aboriginal rehabilitation programme" where the abbos work in the mine.
888: [22:49:34] <Pyromanik> inside the fences.
889: [22:49:52] <Pyromanik> abbot pro mode
890: [22:50:01] <simon_w> Then he'll build another rabbit proof fence
891: [22:50:05] <Colin[pi]> oh btw, there appears to be no Minister for Science any more either
892: [22:50:06] <Pyromanik> honestly, re-elect Gillard.
893: [22:50:20] <Pyromanik> simon_w: taht's what I was getting at ;)
894: [22:50:23] <Colin[pi]> apparently now it's Minister for Industry and Innovation
895: [22:50:30] <Pyromanik> except this time it might be t
896: [22:50:37] <Pyromanik> 'The boatpeople'
897: [22:50:44] <Pyromanik> instead of the Aboriginals
898: [22:51:33] <Colin[pi]> oh dear: http://i.imgur.com/w5w8DY1.png
899: [22:52:30] <Colin[pi]> and then we have this rich smug prick in charge of our "SUPER AWESOME INTERNETS" http://delimiter.com.au/2013/09/16/youre-disgrace-turnbull-slams-lecturers-accurate-nbn-analysis/
900: [22:53:59] <simon_w> https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/1237996_10151567367831455_834209143_n.jpg
901: [22:54:31] <Colin[pi]> yay! abbott has made a time machine for all australians!
902: [22:54:46] <Pyromanik> wow
903: [22:54:50] <Pyromanik> how long is he there for?
904: [22:55:02] <Colin[pi]> minimum 3 years, unless replaced
905: [22:55:09] <Pyromanik> move to replace IMO
906: [22:55:18] <Colin[pi]> but I highly doubt the libs would have a leadership challenge
907: [22:55:23] <Colin[pi]> after all of the Labor bs
908: [22:55:47] <Colin[pi]> the last liberal PM, John Howard, was in power for 12 years
909: [22:55:49] <Pyromanik> I wanna make an account just to post "YOU CHOSE WRONG" : www.youtube.com/watch?v=grqp-JQMFuM
910: [22:56:10] <Pyromanik> Colin[pi]: yeh, but Howard wasn't bad at life.
911: [22:56:11] <Colin[pi]> but even though I didn't like Howard, I will say that he was a very competent orator and leader
912: [22:56:24] <Pyromanik> exactly
913: [22:56:34] <Pyromanik> it's a shame what he did to Gillard. She was good too.
914: [22:56:46] <Colin[pi]> gillard never really had a chance
915: [22:56:55] <Pyromanik> I just don't think Aussies could handle that she is a woman.
916: [22:57:11] <Colin[pi]> the way that she removed Rudd was seen as a knife in the back that people couldn't recover from
917: [22:57:17] <Colin[pi]> yeah there was that too
918: [22:57:26] <Colin[pi]> so many backwards douchebags here
919: [22:57:33] <ss23> SUPERSONIC MAN OUT OF YOU
920: [22:57:35] <ss23> Don't stop me NOW
921: [22:57:43] <spronk> I'M HAVING SUCH A GOOD TIIEMME
922: [22:57:45] <ss23> IF you wanna have a good time JUST GIVE ME A CALL
923: [22:58:12] <Pyromanik> Colin[pi]: yeh, because you're all racist with an "Eye for an eye" mentality
924: [22:58:34] <Colin[pi]> not all of us, but a good amount sadly
925: [22:59:46] <Pyromanik> IKR :<
926: [22:59:56] <Colin[pi]> you nz guys have a lot of these things over there right? http://m.nbr.co.nz/files/whisper%20cabinet430.jpg
927: [23:00:07] <zippy__> Colin[pi]: yus
928: [23:00:23] <Colin[pi]> how far apart do they need to install them?
929: [23:00:56] <zippy__> not sure, depends on demand I guess, I think I have two on my street which is 500m long~
930: [23:01:01] <Colin[pi]> jesus
931: [23:01:08] <zippy__> yea but the other street has none
932: [23:01:14] <zippy__> so not sure what the scheme is with that
933: [23:01:19] <Colin[pi]> this is a FTTP box for the Labor NBN: http://imgur.com/a/I1w9E
934: [23:01:30] <Colin[pi]> this is what we WOULD have had if they remained in office
935: [23:01:50] <ss23> Hmm
936: [23:01:55] <zippy__> Tiny
937: [23:01:57] <ss23> Colin[pi]: That looks easy to break into and tap
938: [23:02:10] <Colin[pi]> innards: http://www.nbnco.com.au/assets/images/blog/110829-e145-nbn-discovery-centre-national-broadband-network-fibre-distribution-hub-FDH.jpg
939: [23:02:20] <Colin[pi]> all fiber optics
940: [23:03:02] <Colin[pi]> now we're going to get the giant FTTN sheds \o/
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942: [23:06:01] <Peavers> How to sort arraydata?!
943: [23:06:08] <Peavers> arrayDate->sort?
944: [23:06:35] <Peavers> no nevermind me
945: [23:06:36] <Peavers> ignore that.
946: [23:10:32] <Pyromanik> Peavers: you don't sort arraydata
947: [23:10:42] <Pyromanik> you sort arraylists
948: [23:10:44] <Peavers> DIDN"T YOU SEE MY IGNORE THAT MESSAGE!!
949: [23:10:52] <Peavers> some people.
950: [23:10:55] <Pyromanik> I CHOSE TO IGNORE IT TO MAKE YOU FEEL LIKE A FOOL
951: [23:11:04] <Peavers> so mean
952: [23:11:07] <Pyromanik> also because logs
953: [23:11:08] <Peavers> for so little reasons ;(
954: [23:11:24] <Pyromanik> mostly because logs.
955: [23:11:28] <Peavers> lol
956: [23:11:29] <Pyromanik> you asked the question.
957: [23:11:39] <Pyromanik> it's gotta be answered. By you or someone else.
958: [23:11:52] <ss23> [FIXED] your post here
959: [23:12:06] <digitaldesign> I installed and developed a site on a server in a folder. now i am switching it live and have pointed a new domain to the folder effectively changing the path. how can i reset the base URL ? it seems to still remember the old path . I've tried flushing the cache. www.naomitroski.net
960: [23:12:26] <Pyromanik> 'nevermind' isn't a valid solution m80
961: [23:13:00] <Pyromanik> digitaldesign: there is not base path in SilverStripe
962: [23:13:01] <ss23> digitaldesign: IIRC it's in the .htaccess
963: [23:13:13] <Pyromanik> you do need to update the RewriteBase in .htaccess though
964: [23:13:18] <ss23> digitaldesign: Remove the rewritebase completely if memory serves me right, or replace the .htaccess file with the one that comes with the silverstripe installer
965: [23:13:35] <Pyromanik> but that will give you a 500 error rather than a different base path on your links
966: [23:13:49] <Pyromanik> digitaldesign: if silverstripe is in the root folder now
967: [23:14:09] <Pyromanik> you make RewriteBase '/yourfolder/' into RewriteBase '/'
968: [23:14:49] <Pyromanik> ss23: some configurations don't allow an empty RewriteBase
969: [23:15:15] <ss23> All the good ones do
970: [23:15:29] <Peavers> how to sort arraylist in php? usort($list) obviously wants an array not an arraylist - wtb java.
971: [23:16:12] <Pyromanik> lol derp
972: [23:16:20] <Pyromanik> ->sort('Field')
973: [23:16:36] <Pyromanik> just like DataList
974: [23:16:41] <Peavers> I tried that first =(
975: [23:16:49] <Pyromanik> because interface decrees it
976: [23:17:15] <Pyromanik> http://api.silverstripe.org/3.1/source-class-ArrayList.html#339-404
977: [23:17:50] <Peavers> Hey Pyromanik,
978: [23:18:02] <Pyromanik> what
979: [23:18:06] <Peavers> Your face.
980: [23:18:14] <Pyromanik> Your mother's face.
981: [23:18:23] <Pyromanik> And your fase too!
982: [23:18:24] <Peavers> Whoa.
983: [23:18:38] <Pyromanik> It's ok Neo, just breathe.
984: [23:20:27] <Pyromanik> hey, new php site
985: [23:20:28] <Pyromanik> beta.
986: [23:21:01] <digitaldesign> RewriteBase '/' sorted it. There was a conflict because of an issue with GoDaddy servers (documented here http://www.silverstripe.org/general-questions/show/23917?start=24) that requires an edit to main.php as well as removing any other index.php or index.html
987: [23:21:37] <Pyromanik> godaddy so bad :(
988: [23:22:22] <Pyromanik> hacking core also bad :(
989: [23:24:05] <Pyromanik> digitaldesign: better code would probably be $_GET[$_SERVER['HTTP_HOST']] instead of 'yourdomain.com'
990: [23:25:03] <digitaldesign> :)
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993: [23:34:32] <Pyromanik> halp, I've lost 4 seconds.
994: [23:38:20] <ss23> wtf
995: [23:38:30] <ss23> Someone converted a file to CSV for me on OSX
996: [23:38:35] <ss23> It used \r for line endings
997: [23:38:35] <ss23> idek
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1000: [23:49:43] <guzzlefry> I thought OSX started using \n?
1001: [23:50:15] <ss23> So did I
1002: [23:50:23] <ss23> hence why I was confused as shit when this didn't work
1003: [23:50:27] <ss23> PHP was like "no line endings in that bro :)"
1004: [23:50:50] <guzzlefry> I wish my PHP build called me "bro" :(
1005: [23:51:41] <ss23> XD
1006: [23:56:06] * DigNZ quit (Quit: DigNZ)
1007: [23:57:33] <simon_w> I have a feeling it's Mac Excel that uses \r
1008: [23:57:55] <simon_w> Never had the problem with Numbers, then Mark sent me a CSV and \r all the newliens
1009: [23:58:20] <ss23> mmm
1010: [23:58:26] <ss23> Was Excel the guy used
1011: [23:58:26] <ss23> :O
1012: [23:58:56] <simon_w> I had to find the Convert Line Endings thingy in Sublime
1013: [23:59:01] <simon_w> never had to use it before!
1014: [23:59:15] <ss23> mac2unix
1015: [23:59:16] <ss23> :P
1016: [23:59:24] <ajmitch> yeah, there's the auto detect line endings thing in php as well
1017: [23:59:25] <simon_w> Doesn't exist :p
1018: [23:59:37] <ajmitch> so you can set that before trying to load a csv file
1019: [23:59:42] <ss23> What doesn't exist, the autodetect, or mac2unix?
1020: [23:59:45] * ajmitch has run into this fun problem before
1021: [23:59:49] <simon_w> mac2unix
1022: [23:59:54] <ss23> silverstripes-iMac-2:gdc.govt.nz sshkardoon$ mac2unix lol
1023: [23:59:54] <ss23> mac2unix: lol: No such file or directory
1024: [23:59:56] <ss23> Exists
1025: [23:59:57] <ss23> It's what I used

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