#silverstripe IRC Log

IRC log for 24 May 2013

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1: [00:01:36] <helion> Where can I read up on configuring an SMTP mailer?
2: [00:02:41] * chillu quit (Quit: chillu)
3: [00:04:31] <FrozenFire> https://github.com/MediaDevils/silverstripe-smtp It's not perfect or composer-ed, but I use it on most of my projects
4: [00:04:37] <FrozenFire> I've been meaning to rewrite it
5: [00:05:19] <FrozenFire> Basically just clone it to "smtp" and throw the listed constants into your environment file
6: [00:06:08] <FrozenFire> IMO, the framework should have that functionality built in
7: [00:07:30] <helion> By "clone to 'smpt'" you mean upload to an 'smtp' directory in my site root?
8: [00:07:49] <helion> Does this work with 3.0.5?
9: [00:08:00] <FrozenFire> Works with all versions of SS, sfaik
10: [00:08:04] <cjt> It does work with 3.0.5
11: [00:08:12] <FrozenFire> And yeah, as long as the files are in "smtp" it should be fine
12: [00:09:15] <helion> Cool, thanks. Tomorrow I'll open a ticket with my host and ask if mail() is disabled. Is that a common thing for hosts to do?
13: [00:09:30] <cjt> not really...
14: [00:09:52] <FrozenFire> Eh, it can be.
15: [00:09:54] <FrozenFire> Depends on the host
16: [00:10:03] <FrozenFire> Also, mail() is something you should almost never use
17: [00:10:30] <FrozenFire> Most mail providers will greylist any email coming from a web host server instead of a legit SMTP relay
18: [00:10:48] <FrozenFire> Meaning, it'll almost always get spammed
19: [00:11:47] <simon_w> Well, if you're doing it wrong, sure. Just don't do it wrong.
20: [00:12:33] <FrozenFire> :P
21: [00:12:42] <FrozenFire> What qualifies as doing it right and using mail()?
22: [00:12:55] <simon_w> Seriously, we send mail from our web server, no fancy SMTP relay. Works fine.
23: [00:13:00] <simon_w> Just had to add a spf record
24: [00:13:21] <FrozenFire> Presumably your web server isn't GoDaddy or Hostgator or Dreamhost or etc
25: [00:13:21] <helion> GitHub is giving me trouble downloading a ZIP of the extension. I'll pull a copy later and test. Thank you for the help.
26: [00:14:06] <Colin[pi]> shudder.. godaddy
27: [00:14:13] <simon_w> So now you're making your statement conditional, with rather strict conditions. So much for "almost never" :p
28: [00:14:45] <FrozenFire> Even on Rackspace cloud servers, I've had issues.
29: [00:15:04] <FrozenFire> It's easier just to tell the client you need SMTP credentials, than to screw around with DNS shit for hours
30: [00:15:56] <simon_w> One DNS record takes you hours? Man, you're slow :p
31: [00:16:30] <FrozenFire> Getting access to the client DNS and verifying the record works, yes.
32: [00:16:53] <FrozenFire> Because clients are dumbshits 99% of the time. :P
33: [00:17:17] <FrozenFire> Had one client who wouldn't give me access to his DNS settings because he was embarrassed by his password and didn't have the wherewithall to change it.
34: [00:17:24] <FrozenFire> It contained the word "Poontang"
35: [00:17:28] <simon_w> That's what you get for letting them set it up :p
36: [00:17:36] <Colin[pi]> lol
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39: [00:25:19] <helion> Thanks again.
40: [00:25:27] * helion quit (Quit: Page closed)
41: [00:26:12] <simon_w> So, I need ideas for what to do with a new VPS
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48: [00:43:39] <Colin[pi]> minecraft server
49: [00:44:14] <simon_w> That also requires me running a mine craft client
50: [00:44:27] <Colin[pi]> and?
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52: [00:46:57] <simon_w> Doesn't that require paying for something I'd be hosting myself?
53: [00:47:18] <Colin[pi]> sure why not?
54: [00:47:19] <Colin[pi]> :D
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56: [01:22:37] <simon_w> Well, I'm kinda hoping it'll be a minimally speced VPS :p
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58: [01:31:35] <cjt> What would be the "cleanest" way to migrate site content from a 3.0.5 site to a new 3.1 site? (Not upgrading the 3.0.5 install)?
59: [01:31:43] <cjt> exporting and importing the database?
60: [01:33:37] <simon_w> yeah
61: [01:36:16] <simon_w> willr, one of your DNA sites uses Flash. BAD!
62: [01:36:34] <willr> lots of our sites use flash
63: [01:36:44] <willr> I've done more flash here than I ever did at uni
64: [01:37:02] <willr> yay for interactive displays and shit html5 support
65: [01:37:55] <simon_w> Not good enough!
66: [01:39:52] <willr> my favorite retro dna site is actual http://allaboutbranding.com/
67: [01:40:09] <willr> That's a design classic. We haven't the heart to take it down yet
68: [01:41:04] <Colin[pi]> a new client of mine showed me an all-Flash site when I asked her for examples of designs she liked :(
69: [01:41:40] <Colin[pi]> I then showed it to her on her phone, and quickly put the matter to rest :)
70: [01:42:43] <Colin[pi]> hmm I can't inherit a controller method that returns a form?
71: [01:43:05] <simon_w> You can
72: [01:43:19] <Colin[pi]> doesn't work unless I c+p the method :\
73: [01:43:58] <Colin[pi]> wait
74: [01:44:00] <Colin[pi]> now it does
75: [01:44:01] <Colin[pi]> nm
76: [01:44:02] <Colin[pi]> :D
77: [01:48:22] <willr> simon_w which site are you using? Most flash projects are for high end apartments. Doubt you're in the market for one
78: [01:48:37] <Colin[pi]> oh burn
79: [01:48:53] <simon_w> willr, was checking out http://www.curtismclean.co.nz
80: [01:49:01] <simon_w> Saw DNA, complain to willr :p
81: [01:50:26] <willr> haha. Old
82: [01:51:57] <Colin[pi]> give him a break dude, it's from 2007 ;P
83: [01:52:28] <simon_w> So? :p
84: [01:53:25] <simon_w> The iPhone existed in 2007 :p
85: [01:57:00] <Colin[pi]> yeah but it 2007 it was a toy and cute
86: [02:02:14] <simon_w> Heh, was less of toy then than it is now
87: [02:08:06] <Colin[pi]> are allowed_actions inherited by subclasses?
88: [02:09:16] <simon_w> yes
89: [02:20:11] <irogue> hahaha
90: [02:20:16] <irogue> @NZTAAkl: A small truck and trailer has rolled on the NewMarket Viaduct nthbnd SH1. Expect long delays avoid the area ^LT
91: [02:20:28] <irogue> @NZTAAkl: Also the right two lanes sthbnd are also blocked due to the debris from the nthbnd crash. Avoid the Newmarket Viaduct ^LT
92: [02:20:43] <irogue> @ThatDamnRanga: HOW DO PEOPLE KEEP ROLLING ON WHAT IS BASICALLY A STRAIGHT ROAD? #rtprt
93: [02:20:45] <Colin[pi]> damn
94: [02:23:36] <irogue> http://www.nzta.govt.nz/traffic/current-conditions/webcams/auckland/get-camera.php?id=80&s=0.49440698488615453
95: [02:23:51] <cjt> If i've got a composer.json file and want to build a new site based on the config of that file I can just use something like "composer create-project silverstripe/installer" and it will use the values in that file?
96: [02:23:57] <irogue> pretty impressive for off-peak
97: [02:24:27] <Colin[pi]> well the lanes are blocked...
98: [02:25:59] <cjt> or I just type composer install...
99: [02:26:03] <simon_w> cjt, composer install/update
100: [02:27:11] <Colin[pi]> wow received a message via my contact form that was sure was spam... turns out it wasn't, he just called
101: [02:27:25] <Colin[pi]> seemed very spammy/generic in content
102: [02:27:37] <simon_w> Colin[pi], did he reverse engineer the contact form?
103: [02:27:51] <Colin[pi]> not that I'm aware of :o
104: [02:52:22] <cjt> "[User Error] Uncaught ValidationException: Object is of class 'BlogHolder' which doesn't exist - you need to change the ClassName before you can write it"
105: [02:52:50] <cjt> after upgrading from 3.0.5 to 3.1...
106: [02:55:59] <cjt> nvm solved that one
107: [02:56:02] <cjt> only to get a bigger one!
108: [02:56:44] <cjt> "Page object: Page type "Page" not allowed as child of this parent page" - anyone have any idea?
109: [02:57:57] <unsignedint> cjt: whats your $allowed_children ?
110: [02:58:21] <cjt> on Page?
111: [02:58:28] <cjt> should be default...
112: [02:59:01] <unsignedint> probably is, I just got that error on 3.0 when I was too specific with the $allowed_children array
113: [02:59:29] <cjt> Its since I imported my 3.0.5 database to my 3.1 site...
114: [02:59:33] <cjt> not code has changed,
115: [02:59:50] <cjt> actually...
116: [02:59:54] * unsignedint shrugs
117: [02:59:55] <cjt> I think I know what I've done
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119: [03:09:44] <SamMargalit> hi looking for some help with SS URL rewriting support
120: [03:16:44] <Bollig|DesignCty> SamMargalit: ask away, hopefully someone around can help
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123: [03:20:11] <ss23> fml, "oh you want a letter for your needles? come get an appointment with a doctor (and also pay for it)"
124: [03:22:02] <SamMargalit> Awesome, having some problems with index.php appearing in the url
125: [03:22:22] <SamMargalit> domain is http://morkchocolate.com.au
126: [03:22:46] <simon_w> SamMargalit, looks like you don't have mod_rewrite enabled
127: [03:23:08] <SamMargalit> Right, I try to enable it through .htaccess
128: [03:23:13] <SamMargalit> and I get a 500 error
129: [03:23:28] <simon_w> Yeah, it's something you need to enable in your httpd.conf
130: [03:23:40] <SamMargalit> how does one do this (I'm a frontend dev)
131: [03:23:43] <simon_w> If you're on a shared host, ask your host if they can turn it on for you
132: [03:24:07] <SamMargalit> I've done that, they replied with:
133: [03:24:09] <SamMargalit> Thank you for your reply! The mod_rewrite is installed on all our servers and is working properly. Could you please add the following lines on top of your .htaccess file: RewriteRule ^index\.php/(.*)$ /$1 [R=301,L] RewriteRule index\.php / [R=301,L] It will remove the index.php from your URLs. Please let me know if you have any further questions.
134: [03:24:54] <SamMargalit> but when I do this, the pages are still located at ../index.php/about
135: [03:25:19] <simon_w> If you open your .htaccess file, do you have the silverstripe block in there?
136: [03:25:43] <SamMargalit> the .htacces in /mysite/?
137: [03:25:48] <simon_w> in /
138: [03:26:04] <SamMargalit> no
139: [03:26:51] <simon_w> Well, that's probably why it's not working
140: [03:27:00] <simon_w> You want it to contain https://raw.github.com/silverstripe/silverstripe-installer/3.1/.htaccess
141: [03:27:03] <SamMargalit> where can I find that block?
142: [03:28:21] <SamMargalit> right, I've added that to an .htaccess file in the /
143: [03:28:24] <SamMargalit> still no luck
144: [03:28:31] <SamMargalit> I really appreciate the help Simon
145: [03:29:04] <simon_w> Can you pastie your .htaccess file? (http://sspaste.com)
146: [03:30:34] <SamMargalit> http://sspaste.com/paste/show/519edec2c3fac
147: [03:32:01] <simon_w> Hmm, can you try removing the <IfModule mod_rewrite.c> and the matching </IfModule>?
148: [03:33:27] <SamMargalit> no luck
149: [03:34:21] <simon_w> And you are putting this in /.htaccess?
150: [03:34:30] <SamMargalit> actually, got it!
151: [03:34:48] <SamMargalit> sorry simon, I had removed the . before .htaccess temporarily
152: [03:34:52] <SamMargalit> and forgot to reappend it
153: [03:34:58] <simon_w> Ah yes, that'll do it
154: [03:35:18] <SamMargalit> thank you thank you thank you
155: [03:35:19] <SamMargalit> http://www.morkchocolate.com.au/about/
156: [03:35:31] <SamMargalit> this has been driving me nuts for the last 6 hours
157: [03:36:05] <simon_w> And now you can delete the index.php file and, if you want, put that line from your host just below the RewriteEngine On line
158: [03:36:10] <SamMargalit> it actually feels faster too, is that possible?
159: [03:36:34] <unsignedint> SamMargalit: Are you using an e-commerce plugin or did you write your own?
160: [03:36:39] <simon_w> Images and things will be slightly faster, yes
161: [03:36:43] <unsignedint> (out of curiosity)
162: [03:37:06] <SamMargalit> neither, it's linking to a bigcartel link
163: [03:37:16] <SamMargalit> but I'd like to move into ss e-commerce
164: [03:37:33] <SamMargalit> I'd happily do the design if someone wants to work on the functionality
165: [03:37:44] <unsignedint> SamMargalit: oh you're right, the transition was so seamless I didnt notice :P
166: [03:37:59] <SamMargalit> ha, well that's reassuring :)
167: [03:38:19] <unsignedint> SamMargalit: yeah I was curious because I have been using the ss-shop plugin but iys rather crap to say the least
168: [03:38:22] <unsignedint> its*
169: [03:38:30] <simon_w> *it's :p
170: [03:38:47] <unsignedint> heh yeah
171: [03:38:52] <unsignedint> where are my apostrophes today
172: [03:39:25] <SamMargalit> hahaha
173: [03:40:04] <SamMargalit> do you have the capabilities to write your own? I wouldn't mind working on a kick-butt shop plugin
174: [03:40:52] <unsignedint> SamMargalit: the capabilities yes, but the time right now no, unfortunately. Im trying to get my workplace to allow me to write one for use on our sites too but hasnt been approved yet
175: [03:41:36] <SamMargalit> alright, well if you want some design help I want to start offering e-commerce to my clients
176: [03:41:55] <unsignedint> Thanks, ill remember it
177: [03:42:01] <unsignedint> do you not work alongside a developer?
178: [03:42:46] <SamMargalit> I do both
179: [03:42:58] <SamMargalit> Design + Build
180: [03:43:13] <SamMargalit> (More specifically responsive design)
181: [03:43:27] <SamMargalit> try resizing the browser on www.morkchocolate.com.au
182: [03:45:03] <unsignedint> interestingly you dont seem to be using bootstrap for a responsive grid
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185: [03:46:03] <SamMargalit> nope, not using bootstrap
186: [03:46:08] <SamMargalit> that one was a bit of a hack
187: [03:46:20] <SamMargalit> started of using gridpak
188: [03:46:26] <SamMargalit> then dropped it and implemented my own
189: [03:46:36] <SamMargalit> (lazily kept it in the css though)
190: [03:46:50] <unsignedint> SamMargalit: yeah usually the first thing I do is ditch the default SS styles and insert bootstrap
191: [03:46:56] <unsignedint> haha well if it works it works, it looks good
192: [03:47:07] <Pyromanik> unsignedint: SamMargalit, swipestripe.com
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194: [03:47:41] <unsignedint> $299 per website?
195: [03:48:32] <Pyromanik> client pays for it?
196: [03:48:48] <Pyromanik> pretty cheap cost for a 7k+ site.
197: [03:48:54] <Colin[pi]> yep
198: [03:49:02] <Pyromanik> Magento goes for about 10k last I looked.
199: [03:49:07] <unsignedint> true
200: [03:49:26] <unsignedint> Pyromanik: have you used it personally?
201: [03:49:36] <SamMargalit> Looks interesting...
202: [03:51:11] <Pyromanik> also you only pay when it goes live, so if the client skips out you're not left in the crap (any more than the cost of your own hours)
203: [03:52:20] <simon_w> That tankr (iirc) guy's not too bad either
204: [03:52:58] <Pyromanik> that tankr now works for SS AKL.
205: [03:53:11] <Pyromanik> but yeh, he's a great guy.
206: [03:53:25] <Pyromanik> he's put a huge amount of hours into that module.
207: [03:53:36] <Pyromanik> $300 isn't much to pay in respect of that.
208: [03:53:48] <Pyromanik> unsignedint: yeah, I've dabbled.
209: [03:53:57] <unsignedint> how did you find it?
210: [03:54:05] <Pyromanik> I can't say I know it inside and out, but it's a smooth system.
211: [03:54:15] * unsignedint bookmarks the page
212: [03:54:23] <unsignedint> ill give it a crack next time someone wants ecommerce
213: [03:54:25] <Pyromanik> not as full featured as a shop system, but nicer.
214: [03:54:43] <Pyromanik> romneyrugs.com uses it
215: [03:55:16] <simon_w> Oh man, Rent Cheque/Check. That takes me back.
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217: [03:55:34] <Pyromanik> simon_w: what?
218: [03:55:46] <simon_w> I'm looking through the PocketRent Dropbox folder
219: [03:56:00] <simon_w> Before we had a domain, we were called Rent Cheque
220: [03:56:08] <simon_w> (Rent Check half the time as well)
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222: [03:58:26] * simon_w is reminiscing here
223: [03:58:49] <willr> simon_w slacker!
224: [03:58:58] <simon_w> willr, I've done my 40 hours!
225: [03:59:01] <simon_w> Also, yes.
226: [03:59:10] <cjt> "[User Error] Uncaught ValidationException: Validation error writing a Page object: Page type "Page" not allowed as child of this parent page. Object not written." why would Page not be allowed as a child of... page?
227: [03:59:16] <willr> you sound like you work in government.
228: [03:59:30] <willr> Since when did startups do 40 hour weeks..
229: [03:59:51] <simon_w> willr, since I graduated
230: [03:59:54] <willr> cjt blog holders for example? Only want blog entries.
231: [04:01:20] <cjt> hmm
232: [04:01:49] <cjt> Line 1093 in /var/www/cwp/framework/model/DataObject.php is spitting out the error
233: [04:05:20] <unsignedint> BEER TIME
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237: [04:12:31] <geekdenz> It was great to be at the SS course this week. Pleasure to meet a good bunch of people and learned a lot.
238: [04:12:44] <cjt> Was there too ;)
239: [04:12:50] <simon_w> geekdenz, you should come to the hackfest tomorrow! (assuming Wellington based)
240: [04:13:10] <geekdenz> Sorry, I'm back in Palmerston North :-)
241: [04:13:19] <geekdenz> and can't make it tomorrow
242: [04:13:23] <cjt> Ah good German sir
243: [04:14:04] <simon_w> Ah well, home time!
244: [04:14:15] <geekdenz> yeah its friday
245: [04:15:44] <unsignedint> SS has courses?
246: [04:15:50] <unsignedint> and hackfests?
247: [04:15:54] <cjt> First one was this week
248: [04:15:58] * unsignedint wonders where this information is broadcasted
249: [04:16:00] <cjt> aimed at CWP
250: [04:16:09] <cjt> dev
251: [04:16:20] <cjt> you
252: [04:16:27] <cjt> you're with a govt yeah unsignedint?
253: [04:16:43] <unsignedint> umm no? im with a tiny napier-based design agency
254: [04:16:54] <cjt> ah must have mixed you with someone
255: [04:17:41] <unsignedint> i think id get sick of working for government, too many layers of bereaucracy
256: [04:17:50] <irogue> unsignedint: http://www.meetup.com/SilverStripe-Wellington-Meetup-Group/
257: [04:18:14] <cjt> heh its not that bad
258: [04:19:13] <unsignedint> cjt: also id feel bad that the taxpayers were paying for my job
259: [04:19:49] <SamMargalit> how is the SS scene in Melbourne?
260: [04:20:16] <SamMargalit> I briefly met the guys in the North Melbourne office, they were nice but clearly very busy
261: [04:20:32] <Colin[pi]> melbourne and gold coast have good SS presence
262: [04:20:33] * unsignedint wonders how many offices SS has around the world
263: [04:20:46] <Colin[pi]> hundreds, and a secret volcano lair
264: [04:20:49] <unsignedint> haha
265: [04:21:46] <SamMargalit> hahaha
266: [04:22:23] <unsignedint> whats funny is, im actually going to be in wellington this weekend
267: [04:23:03] <unsignedint> dont know if the girlfriend will appreciate me stepping out to a silverstripe hackathon instead of paying her attention though
268: [04:23:03] <Colin[pi]> the secret lair is where sminnee sits stroking his bald cat and laughing maniacally
269: [04:23:22] <Colin[pi]> ah you have one of those too unsignedint? ;)
270: [04:24:10] <unsignedint> Colin[pi]: sure do. often its more trouble than its worth
271: [04:24:24] <unsignedint> but still required
272: [04:24:45] <Colin[pi]> i have an awesome gf, but I'm very time poor :(
273: [04:25:00] <unsignedint> lucky you for having an awesome gf
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275: [04:25:12] <unsignedint> by time poor do you mean you spend too much time working that youd rather spend with her?
276: [04:25:13] <Colin[pi]> she lets me work after hours which is nice sometimes :)
277: [04:25:24] <Colin[pi]> yes that
278: [04:26:07] <unsignedint> where abouts do you work? if you dont mind me asking
279: [04:26:21] <Colin[pi]> home office for my own business
280: [04:26:28] <Colin[pi]> so at least I dont need to commute :)
281: [04:26:31] <unsignedint> oh right, so overtime is pretty much required
282: [04:26:35] <unsignedint> yeah thats good
283: [04:26:36] <Colin[pi]> aye :(
284: [04:26:39] <unsignedint> and you can get up at 10am
285: [04:26:57] <Colin[pi]> yeah that was the plan, I usually get up way earlier though!
286: [04:27:10] <unsignedint> haha yeah the work doesnt do itself unfortunately
287: [04:27:23] <Colin[pi]> I have 10 projects I'm juggling right now
288: [04:27:46] <Colin[pi]> and I have a son too, argh my time :(
289: [04:27:47] <unsignedint> I was freelancing for a bit before I took a job here (napier design agency), the clients I had while freelancing still exist and still want stuff done so I often go home after working 9 hours and do another 3-4 hours work
290: [04:27:50] <unsignedint> oh wow
291: [04:28:08] <SamMargalit> I'm struggling with the balance thing as a freelancer
292: [04:28:13] <Colin[pi]> yeah I have considered doing the same for more consistent pay
293: [04:28:17] <Colin[pi]> yes me too :\
294: [04:28:20] <Colin[pi]> pros and cons
295: [04:28:22] <SamMargalit> But I hotdesk at web agency 3 days a week
296: [04:28:39] <SamMargalit> so I have some consistancy
297: [04:29:15] <Colin[pi]> i have a constant boom and bust cycle lol
298: [04:29:16] <unsignedint> SamMargalit: yeah I wish I could have a part time job and do that, but finding a part time job around here doing something that requires an IQ over 80 is hard
299: [04:29:55] <unsignedint> Colin[pi]: inundated with work and then not having much work? I know how you feel haha
300: [04:30:24] <SamMargalit> I think I hahaha
301: [04:30:30] <SamMargalit> *haha
302: [04:30:36] <Colin[pi]> yes when it rains it pours
303: [04:30:43] <Colin[pi]> last few weeks have been "AAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH"
304: [04:30:47] <Colin[pi]> non stop
305: [04:30:50] <SamMargalit> I had it pretty good, was doing packaging work for a power tools company
306: [04:30:59] <SamMargalit> which was between 13 and 30 hrs a week
307: [04:31:06] <SamMargalit> consistant work, could pick up other clients
308: [04:31:10] <SamMargalit> but boring as fuck
309: [04:31:36] <SamMargalit> so I gave that job to a friend two months ago
310: [04:31:46] <SamMargalit> and went freelance fulltime
311: [04:32:02] <SamMargalit> But naturally I took on as many clients as I could
312: [04:32:13] <SamMargalit> and all the deadlines end up in the same few weeks :/
313: [04:32:21] <Colin[pi]> I love the freedom I have with freelancing, but man... I know how you feel
314: [04:33:39] <unsignedint> haha yeah me too
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316: [04:33:49] <unsignedint> the other thing I thought about was starting a company
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318: [04:33:57] <unsignedint> but then you have to deal with the business side of things
319: [04:34:15] <unsignedint> also freelancing you can often get away with under the table payments
320: [04:34:31] <Pyromanik> so then work finished
321: [04:34:32] <Pyromanik> gg
322: [04:34:35] <Pyromanik> c u tomorrow
323: [04:34:41] <Colin[pi]> well I'm running as a sole proprietor.. still need to do business things
324: [04:34:45] <unsignedint> later Pyromanik
325: [04:34:48] <SamMargalit> I should be growing my company
326: [04:34:49] <Colin[pi]> considered making a company
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328: [04:34:52] <SamMargalit> I have enough consistant work
329: [04:34:54] <Colin[pi]> cya pyro
330: [04:34:58] <SamMargalit> but fuck it, I'm 21 :(
331: [04:35:08] <Pyromanik> Colin[pi]: not going anywhere yet
332: [04:35:27] <unsignedint> oh when you said "c u tomorrow" I assumed you were leaving
333: [04:35:27] <SamMargalit> Colin, where are you based?
334: [04:35:35] <Colin[pi]> me too lol
335: [04:35:36] <Pyromanik> you assumed wrong
336: [04:35:39] <unsignedint> my bad
337: [04:35:43] <Pyromanik> I was making a statement.
338: [04:35:45] <Colin[pi]> based in Canberra, SamMargalit
339: [04:36:02] <SamMargalit> okay cool, and you're a SS developer? or designer as well?
340: [04:36:09] <Colin[pi]> jack of all trades lol
341: [04:36:16] <SamMargalit> I seem got a website?
342: [04:36:17] <Colin[pi]> backend, frontend, you name it
343: [04:36:24] <SamMargalit> *see
344: [04:36:26] <Colin[pi]> www.praxis.net.au
345: [04:36:41] <Colin[pi]> ignore the lame stock photos :D
346: [04:36:50] <Pyromanik> beer time
347: [04:36:58] <Colin[pi]> .... cya?
348: [04:37:05] <SamMargalit> cool man
349: [04:37:08] <SamMargalit> :D
350: [04:37:11] <Pyromanik> no
351: [04:37:22] <Colin[pi]> MAKE UP YUOR MIND SIR
352: [04:37:25] <unsignedint> ^ this
353: [04:37:40] <Pyromanik> unsignedint: get a better missus
354: [04:37:43] * unsignedint is already drinking beer since 4pm
355: [04:37:51] <Colin[pi]> 4pm, that late?
356: [04:37:56] <unsignedint> Pyromanik: I will if I meet someone better
357: [04:38:09] * Pyromanik just saw unsignedint's declartion of beer, and decided that he'd also announce that beer was in hant.
358: [04:38:15] <Pyromanik> hand/hat, take your pick
359: [04:38:23] <Pyromanik> unsignedint: ROFL
360: [04:38:33] <Pyromanik> serious? man, don't waste time.
361: [04:38:36] * cjt quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
362: [04:38:41] <SamMargalit> best thing about freelancing though: this is my office today http://i.imgur.com/Sldb7IE.jpg
363: [04:39:03] <Pyromanik> SamMargalit: hit the bird across from you
364: [04:39:06] <Colin[pi]> heh cool SamMargalit :)
365: [04:39:16] <unsignedint> nice looking females
366: [04:39:20] <SamMargalit> hahahaha
367: [04:39:24] <geekdenz> hey anyone can tell me the vm un/pw from the course?
368: [04:39:25] <unsignedint> your macbook is a bit faggy though
369: [04:39:25] <Pyromanik> exactly, hit that shit
370: [04:39:32] <SamMargalit> nah, my girlfriend is cuter ;)
371: [04:39:39] <Pyromanik> ps. by hit I don't mean punch
372: [04:39:45] <Pyromanik> yeah
373: [04:39:48] <Pyromanik> so hipster
374: [04:39:49] <unsignedint> haha just had to clear that up aye Pyromanik
375: [04:39:54] <SamMargalit> thanks for the clarification
376: [04:39:56] <Pyromanik> sitting in cafe with macbook
377: [04:40:06] <Pyromanik> unsignedint: yes, it needed to be done.
378: [04:40:16] <Pyromanik> look she's even giving you the smile SamMargalit
379: [04:40:19] <SamMargalit> well fortunately I did the website for this place
380: [04:40:26] <SamMargalit> so the coffee is freeeeeee
381: [04:40:30] <unsignedint> nice
382: [04:40:33] <Colin[pi]> you too are fortunate to have an attractive gf?
383: [04:40:39] <Colin[pi]> I consider myself the luckiest man alive LOL
384: [04:40:45] <SamMargalit> nothing says hipster like free
385: [04:40:47] <Pyromanik> I also have an attractive gf
386: [04:40:49] <Colin[pi]> wont find one like her again ^_^
387: [04:40:54] <Pyromanik> But I'm also a man.
388: [04:41:06] <SamMargalit> hahahaha
389: [04:41:33] <Colin[pi]> free coffee? nice score
390: [04:41:34] <Pyromanik> and so long as I have working eyeballs, they will focus upon the female form
391: [04:41:45] <unsignedint> Colin[pi]: The issue I found with attractive women is they a) dont try very hard in bed and b) they know they can pretty much have anyone (see a) )
392: [04:41:59] <SamMargalit> (and 500 errors)
393: [04:42:05] <Colin[pi]> this one is a rare exception :)
394: [04:42:19] <unsignedint> lucky you haha
395: [04:43:04] <unsignedint> SamMargalit: I just learned something new from your screenshot. there is such thing as irc.silverstripe.org
396: [04:43:12] <Pyromanik> unsignedint: haha, get better work stories.
397: [04:43:20] <Colin[pi]> DESKCEPTION: http://i.imgur.com/5iZmtC3.jpg
398: [04:43:21] <SamMargalit> yeah, it's a bitch though, have to keep scrolling down
399: [04:43:27] <Pyromanik> protip: find a hotty who thinks she's not.
400: [04:44:23] <Pyromanik> old pic, but still similar setup (proper stands instead of yellow pages now)
401: [04:44:26] <Pyromanik> http://platomail.co.nz/desk.jpg
402: [04:44:39] <Colin[pi]> ooh portrait mode
403: [04:44:41] <SamMargalit> Silverstripe IRC: Where the girl advice is free!
404: [04:45:17] <Hippiee> lol
405: [04:45:57] <SamMargalit> this is where I usually work from
406: [04:45:58] <SamMargalit> https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/s480x480/16884_10151336533957872_172288878_n.jpg
407: [04:46:03] <unsignedint> http://i.imgur.com/viFCbVG.jpg
408: [04:46:12] <Colin[pi]> nice view
409: [04:46:36] <SamMargalit> North Melbourne, it's pretty nice :)
410: [04:46:50] <Colin[pi]> wish I could say the same about Canberra lol
411: [04:46:55] <SamMargalit> built the dek myself!
412: [04:46:59] <SamMargalit> *desk
413: [04:47:07] <Colin[pi]> nice dude
414: [04:47:10] <Colin[pi]> cool chair too
415: [04:47:32] <Colin[pi]> haha the deskception gets deeper unsignedint
416: [04:47:39] <unsignedint> Colin[pi]: indeed :P
417: [04:47:56] <Colin[pi]> right I better try and do a bit more coding
418: [04:48:06] <Pyromanik> unsignedint: where is that?
419: [04:48:07] <unsignedint> my workmates are like "why are you taking photos"
420: [04:48:12] <unsignedint> Pyromanik: Napier, marine parade
421: [04:48:16] <Colin[pi]> cybersex
422: [04:48:18] <Colin[pi]> tell them that
423: [04:48:19] <Pyromanik> oic
424: [04:48:53] <SamMargalit> hahaah, I'm gonna get going, got to finish some stuff up, I'll be back on in an hour or so
425: [04:49:01] <SamMargalit> thanks for the help, and sweet chats!
426: [04:49:07] <unsignedint> cya SamMargalit
427: [04:49:22] * SamMargalit quit (Quit: Page closed)
428: [04:49:40] <unsignedint> ok time to drink more beer
429: [04:49:50] <Pyromanik> yes indeed
430: [04:49:58] <Pyromanik> bye (acutally leaving this time
431: [04:50:00] <Pyromanik> )
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433: [04:50:12] <unsignedint> ^ that man is weird
434: [04:51:25] <Colin[pi]> not enough beer
435: [04:51:28] <Colin[pi]> must be the reason
436: [04:51:35] <unsignedint> definitely
437: [04:51:38] <unsignedint> thats always the reason
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439: [04:52:24] <simon_w|air> unsignedint, just do what sminnee does and bring the girlfriend along
440: [04:52:40] <unsignedint> simon_w|air: maybe haha will see how we go
441: [04:53:40] <unsignedint> she has no interest in programming, although if I gave her my laptop and a web browser facebook will keep her occupied for hours
442: [04:56:31] <simon_w|air> Well, Diana does user-land testing
443: [04:57:14] <ss23> simon_w|air~ how much is your salary? :O
444: [04:57:20] <ss23> and more importantly, your flat
445: [04:57:25] <unsignedint> right. well we have something else on until midday but ill see if I can convince her to come, it will be cool to meet you guys
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447: [04:57:54] <simon_w|air> ss23, my flat's 385/week
448: [04:57:59] <unsignedint> ^ holy fuck
449: [04:58:02] <Colin[pi]> same as mine
450: [04:58:05] <ss23> simon_w|air: per person?
451: [04:58:08] <unsignedint> mine is $135 including power and internet
452: [04:58:09] <ss23> or is that like 3bdrm?
453: [04:58:19] <simon_w|air> Well, it's a 2 bedroom with only a Simon in it
454: [04:58:27] <ss23> simon_w|air: DO YOU NEED A FLATMATE?
455: [04:58:33] <simon_w|air> Nope
456: [04:58:37] <unsignedint> haha denied
457: [04:58:41] <Colin[pi]> hehe
458: [04:58:41] <ss23> damn :<
459: [04:58:57] <simon_w|air> You going to be working for SS Wellington?
460: [04:58:59] <ss23> simon_w|air: and is like that much fairly nominal then?
461: [04:59:02] <ss23> simon_w|air: If I wanna, yeah
462: [04:59:12] <irogue> ss23, my flat's 575/wk for a 3bdrm
463: [04:59:24] <Colin[pi]> rent sucks
464: [04:59:35] <Colin[pi]> I had to pay mine today :(
465: [04:59:37] <ss23> hmm
466: [04:59:39] <ss23> though really
467: [04:59:49] <ss23> irogue / simon_w|air including utilities etc?
468: [04:59:57] <simon_w|air> Nah, that's straight rent
469: [05:00:03] <irogue> yeah nah that's only rent
470: [05:00:09] <simon_w|air> ss23, I live in a decent flat in an somewhat more-expensive suburb
471: [05:00:14] <irogue> ^ same
472: [05:00:17] <ss23> And how much does utilities cost? :O
473: [05:00:18] <irogue> cos we're cool
474: [05:00:21] <ss23> lol
475: [05:00:33] <simon_w|air> About 100/month for both internet and power
476: [05:00:46] * unsignedint is off to wellington
477: [05:00:48] <unsignedint> later guys
478: [05:00:51] <ss23> unsignedint: OMG
479: [05:00:53] <ss23> Me too soon
480: [05:00:53] <unsignedint> hopefully be at the hackfest tomorrow
481: [05:00:53] <ss23> :O
482: [05:00:58] <ss23> Though I don't leave for another 2 hours
483: [05:01:10] <Colin[pi]> have fun!
484: [05:01:15] <Colin[pi]> wish i could be there
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487: [05:11:18] <irogue> om nom nom rekorderlig
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489: [05:27:00] <Colin[pi]> mmm it's pretty good
490: [05:27:13] <ss23> om nom nom the physical sickness you get from being too tired
491: [05:27:14] * ss23 dies
492: [05:29:47] <simon_w|air> irogue, I've got no idea what's going to be open before 9 tomorrow morning and have a feeling that Mr Bun won't be. Find out and tweet me and Will?
493: [05:33:27] <irogue> lolk
494: [05:33:38] <irogue> Colin[pi]: had orange+ginger?
495: [05:33:49] <Colin[pi]> not yet
496: [05:33:59] <irogue> amazeballs
497: [05:38:19] <Colin[pi]> cool will have to try it :)
498: [05:38:49] <ss23> 17:30:17 <@simon_w|air> irogue, I've got no idea what's going to be open before 9 tomorrow morning and have a feeling that Mr Bun won't be. Find out and tweet me and Will?
499: [05:38:55] <ss23> ss23 can confirm 7am mcdonalds is fine
500: [05:38:56] <ss23> :D
501: [05:39:19] <simon_w|air> ss23, there's no mcdonalds at the airport
502: [05:39:30] <ss23> simon_w|air: aren't we going into town?
503: [05:39:36] <simon_w|air> You land at 7
504: [05:39:51] <ss23> well ss23 can confirm mcdonalds open whenever we get into city :O
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513: [06:47:57] <ss23> irogue: going now, REMEMBER TO PICK ME UP
514: [06:54:20] <irogue> MAYBE
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518: [07:17:30] <willr> simon_w did a location get chosen?
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528: [08:05:54] <zippy__> evening
529: [08:14:10] <Pyromanik__> hi
530: [08:48:24] <Pyromanik__> must be time for bed I think
531: [08:48:30] <Pyromanik__> early rise tomorrow!
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535: [09:31:31] <gumble> how do I loop children of another page then the one rendering?
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541: [09:55:55] <kinglozzer> gumble: <% with Page('urlsegment') %><% loop Children %><% end_loop %><% end_with %>
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543: [10:01:39] <Colin[pi]> evening all
544: [10:12:00] <simon_w|air> Someone remind me to pack both power bricks tomorrow morning. ss23, you should tweet me about it when you land
545: [10:15:40] <irogue> ss23 says he will
546: [10:15:45] <irogue> even though he can't tweet
547: [10:15:48] <irogue> its too hard or some shit
548: [10:16:08] <simon_w|air> Get him to set up SMS tweeting?
549: [10:17:57] <irogue> i will try to remember to tweet you
550: [10:18:20] <simon_w|air> Thanks, or ss23 is running on battery
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554: [10:48:18] <gumble> kinglozzer: thanks!
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561: [12:00:27] <DesignerX> hi, I'm having a problem with SS3.1 beta3 , the CMS language is set to african (1st item in the list) & its ignoring all CMS settings for users & the settings in config ! any tips to where I can force a language to be used ?
562: [12:03:11] <ARNHOE> What I think would work is
563: [12:03:20] <ARNHOE> going into the Member table and change the Locale to en_US
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571: [12:52:50] <Colin[pi]> hehe just dazzled my gf with my seemingly magical ability to guess hexadecimal codes for any colour she said
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573: [12:53:12] <Colin[pi]> tried to explain the maths but it still seems like voodoo to her haha
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575: [13:07:20] <kinglozzer> It's like voodoo to me as well :P my colleague explained it once but I can never remember
576: [13:07:51] <Colin[pi]> my old boss could do it with pantone colours... show him any colour and he'd rattle off some code
577: [13:12:41] <Colin[pi]> lol http://i.imgur.com/QoBkhCz.jpg
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579: [13:22:09] <willmorgan> brosefs, hello
580: [13:22:22] <willmorgan> has anyone modified restfulserver recently? if so, what did you do?
581: [13:22:35] <willmorgan> PigeonFriend and I are looking at making some ~major~ improvements to it
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586: [13:38:44] <sekjal> willmorgan: ooooh, what kind of improvements?
587: [13:38:55] <willmorgan> ~major~ ones, apparently
588: [13:38:59] <willmorgan> like being able to chain paths
589: [13:39:23] <sekjal> that could be handy
590: [13:39:38] <willmorgan> basically whatever we need to do to make it work for a project we're working on
591: [13:39:52] <sekjal> sweet. I'm doing a similar sort of tinkering with Events Calendar
592: [13:39:53] <willmorgan> hopefully they will be good and generic enough to go in to core
593: [13:40:11] <sekjal> just got iCal Feed import to work
594: [13:40:19] <sekjal> like, literally 2 minutes ago
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599: [14:18:07] <PigeonFriend> willmorgan: I know unclecheese was looking at it recently
600: [14:18:10] <PigeonFriend> but he's not about
601: [14:18:29] <willmorgan> atm I'm looking in to having an unlimited (well, variable) number of extra params
602: [14:18:47] <willmorgan> so you can do: api/v1/Member/14/doSomeAPIStuff/yeah/ooh/baby.json and it'll go and work through that
603: [14:18:56] <willmorgan> assuming the last 3 slugs are functions
604: [14:19:05] <willmorgan> yeah()->ooh()->baby() in PHP
605: [14:20:55] <willmorgan> i think you've got to get the unshifted/unparsed bits and then pop them off
606: [14:21:41] <PigeonFriend> yep
607: [14:21:55] <PigeonFriend> i just skyped unclecheese and he says he didnt use it much in the end
608: [14:23:11] * PigeonFriend smug he has unclecheese on skype
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610: [15:00:33] * kinglozzer counting down until the bank holiday weekend starts
611: [15:00:40] <kinglozzer> 1 hour and ticking
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614: [15:12:12] <kinglozzer> chillu: Is the SilverStripe installer composer.json referencing the wrong repo name? From this thread: http://www.silverstripe.org/installing-silverstripe/show/23834. The requirement is "silverstripe/framework": "self.version", does it need updating to the new name?
615: [15:13:45] <kinglozzer> Actually no, I think it should work anyway
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618: [15:17:39] <g4b0> how to add multiple extension through yaml file?
619: [15:18:36] <g4b0> http://pastebin.com/gxEdhxRE doesn't work
620: [15:18:47] <g4b0> CustomWorkflowSiteTree isn't loaded
621: [15:19:36] <kinglozzer> g4b0: http://pastie.org/7953486
622: [15:19:52] <kinglozzer> That's how I do it anyway :P
623: [15:20:07] <g4b0> ok, thanks
624: [15:22:14] <g4b0> and how to pass variable?
625: [15:22:15] <g4b0> PghRegulations::add_extension( 'CustomWorkflowHolderPage("Regulations","RegulationsHolder")');
626: [15:27:24] <g4b0> no YAML guru out there? :D
627: [15:28:25] <kinglozzer> I've got no idea :/ my first guess would be http://pastie.org/7953511
628: [15:30:35] <g4b0> do you think it can work o_O ?
629: [15:30:41] <g4b0> let's try it
630: [15:33:56] <g4b0> it doesn't work :(
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633: [15:41:55] <kinglozzer> :(. YAML docs are lacking. Even Google is of no help
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635: [15:46:26] <g4b0> yep
636: [15:46:34] <g4b0> it's really difficult...
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661: [18:29:05] <pyromaniik> JETSTAR SUCH A MISTAKE
662: [18:29:41] <pyromaniik> A flight to auckland is now boarding my plane
663: [18:30:45] <pyromaniik> because flight to akls plane is fucked
664: [18:31:13] <pyromaniik> so they swap now i get late dodgy plane.
665: [18:32:02] <pyromaniik> HALF MAD. they best hope i not get to full.
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670: [19:09:40] <pyromaniik> so the jet i was supposed to board 40 mins ago that boarded (an already extremely late) a flight to auckland instead still hasn't taken off.
671: [19:11:19] <pyromaniik> they've been boarded for over 20mins now. jet still sitting at the airbridge while about 12 guys run around it and 2 spray what i assume is water onto it.
672: [19:12:16] <pyromaniik> menwhile about 3 air nz flights have gone, and about 8 have come in.
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674: [19:15:53] <pyromaniik> why is it that one airline can be ao inefficient compared to another with similar resources?
675: [19:17:39] <pyromaniik> good thing i got the earlier flight. the next flight to wellington should be checking in about now.
676: [19:18:23] <pyromaniik> flight to akl still hasnt pished out
677: [19:18:32] <pyromaniik> pushed*
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680: [19:23:57] <pyromaniik> jet i was supposed to be on finally pushes out.
681: [19:24:19] <pyromaniik> was supposed to depart to wlg 25min ago.
682: [19:25:25] <pyromaniik> until they boarded akl on it, it was supposed to leave immediately.
683: [19:25:51] <pyromaniik> about an hour ago
684: [19:26:47] <sekjal> pyromaniik: what a pain!
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686: [19:27:00] <pyromaniik> just heard the jet that that was supposed to take akl has finally been towed over to our airbridge
687: [19:27:19] <pyromaniik> boarding in ~15mins apparently.
688: [19:28:01] <sekjal> wishing you luck
689: [19:28:11] <pyromaniik> aalthough if its anything like that last plane it'll be another hour before it actually departs :<
690: [19:28:57] <pyromaniik> heh thanks sekjal
691: [19:29:50] <pyromaniik> TERRIBAD AIRLINE, HOW DO YOU MAKE MONEY?
692: [19:30:48] <pyromaniik> time to see if i finally make it to wellington i guess :s
693: [19:31:24] <pyromaniik> hope they fixed that "engineering issue" well :/
694: [19:32:11] <sekjal> last time I flew to Wellington, my carry on wound up in Australia
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711: [20:51:07] <jrthomer> I submitted a pull request, and Travis commented on it that there's an error.
712: [20:51:07] <jrthomer> https://github.com/silverstripe/silverstripe-framework/pull/1991
713: [20:51:14] <jrthomer> But when I look, it's just that the build stalled
714: [20:51:21] <jrthomer> Not something my trivial commit could have caused.
715: [20:51:34] <jrthomer> Is there a way that I can restart the build so it won't look negative on the PR?
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724: [22:08:31] <tscole> Got a weird issue on 3.0.5 with error pages. I have made a custom 400 and 500 error page in the CMS. These get written to "assets" fine.
725: [22:08:55] <tscole> But when I make a 401 and 403 a blank file gets written - 0 bytes
726: [22:09:34] <tscole> I've checked file permissions and ownership - no different on the 404 and 500 than the 401 and 403
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734: [22:23:03] <Pyromanik> I made it in the end
735: [22:23:07] <Pyromanik> thankfully
736: [22:24:18] <irogue> hey babes
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738: [22:26:34] <Pyromanik> and I even made it onto the wifis
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741: [22:29:09] <travis-ci> [travis-ci] Change view : https://github.com/silverstripe/silverstripe-framework/compare/916de302045d...50936ee799c9
742: [22:29:09] <travis-ci> [travis-ci] Build details : http://travis-ci.org/silverstripe/silverstripe-framework/builds/7477777
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744: [22:30:26] <kmayo> How are things down in Wellington have many people turned up?
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747: [22:32:06] <travis-ci> [travis-ci] silverstripe/silverstripe-framework#78 (3.1 - 438066d : Will Rossiter): The build passed.
748: [22:32:06] <travis-ci> [travis-ci] Change view : https://github.com/silverstripe/silverstripe-framework/compare/50936ee799c9...438066dc14cc
749: [22:32:06] <travis-ci> [travis-ci] Build details : http://travis-ci.org/silverstripe/silverstripe-framework/builds/7477795
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751: [22:32:40] <ss23> kmayo: 500 people here
752: [22:32:41] <ss23> :O
753: [22:33:28] <kmayo> Tractorcow has turned up at Auckland still waiting for more people
754: [22:40:16] * DrCuriosity has joined #silverstripe
755: [22:44:56] <chillu> HACKFEST wohoo!
756: [22:44:59] <Claw-Rents> Lydia Jackson has arrived
757: [22:45:11] <Claw-Rents> Auckland SS FTW
758: [22:45:24] <chillu> Good disguise Che ;)
759: [22:45:43] <Claw-Rents> I knew you'd get it
760: [22:48:15] * ljack has joined #silverstripe
761: [22:49:42] <Claw-Rents> For everyone who asked "What are we doing"...: https://docs.google.com/a/silverstripe.com/document/d/1MnEoV5dmi9D06wneCghXlEVE7y3S8kWPOz2DHj0p5wU/edit#
762: [22:50:08] <Claw-Rents> for everyone who asked "What are YOU doing?"
763: [22:50:17] * tractorcow has joined #silverstripe
764: [22:50:18] <Claw-Rents> I'm bringing sexy back
765: [22:50:32] <tractorcow> Hey children
766: [22:51:40] * sminnee has joined #silverstripe
767: [22:51:45] <sminnee> HELLO
768: [22:51:55] <tractorcow> Hi Sam
769: [22:52:00] <Pyromanik> sam does not do the ircs
770: [22:52:04] * Jedateach has joined #silverstripe
771: [22:52:08] <Pyromanik> but when he does, he does it late.
772: [22:53:47] <sminnee> ss23: composer create-project silverstripe/installer mysite 3.1.x-dev --keep-vcs
773: [22:54:37] * Jakx has joined #silverstripe
774: [22:54:43] <Jakx> what I miss?
775: [22:54:48] <ss23> EVERYTHING
776: [22:55:56] <Jakx> ss23, who are you irl btw?
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780: [22:57:03] <Claw-Rents> WHoa...not PC bro. It's called "AFK", not "IRL"
781: [22:57:15] <Claw-Rents> teh intarwebz is totally RL
782: [22:58:58] <Jakx> lol
783: [23:00:03] <Jakx> ss23, who are you afk btw?*
784: [23:00:36] <Jakx> ss23 (Stephen Shkardoon)?
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786: [23:00:42] <travis-ci> [travis-ci] silverstripe/silverstripe-cms#387 (3.1 - ae494b0 : Will Rossiter): The build passed.
787: [23:00:42] <travis-ci> [travis-ci] Change view : https://github.com/silverstripe/silverstripe-cms/compare/7f174f0a8dac...ae494b01bce2
788: [23:00:42] <travis-ci> [travis-ci] Build details : http://travis-ci.org/silverstripe/silverstripe-cms/builds/7478393
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790: [23:01:22] <simon_w> ss23, http://doc.silverstripe.org/framework/en/topics/environment-management
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794: [23:05:06] <travis-ci> [travis-ci] Build details : http://travis-ci.org/silverstripe/silverstripe-framework/builds/7478469
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799: [23:08:44] <travis-ci> [travis-ci] Build details : http://travis-ci.org/silverstripe/silverstripe-framework/builds/7478548
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801: [23:08:52] <sminnee> Hangout! https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/50e378a98725519df1ad4c00ae7248829466995b?hl=en-GB
802: [23:09:02] * howardgrigg has joined #silverstripe
803: [23:09:54] <ss23> Jakx: Yeah :O
804: [23:10:28] <Jakx> <body>Rawr </body>
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807: [23:11:54] <ss23> if you join now
808: [23:11:54] <ss23> you suck
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810: [23:11:59] <ss23> next person to join sux
811: [23:12:02] <ss23> called it.
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814: [23:12:16] <howardgrigg> just joined - how's the meetup? Any google hangout setup?
815: [23:12:21] <ss23> Jakx: Are you guys doing a hangout?
816: [23:12:23] <ss23> howardgrigg: Yeah, we got one!
817: [23:12:25] <ss23> sec, I'll link
818: [23:12:30] <Pyromanik> Jakx, sup
819: [23:12:30] <ss23> 11:09:25 <@sminnee> Hangout! https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/50e378a98725519df1ad4c00ae7248829466995b?hl=en-GB
820: [23:12:42] * Pyromanik pretty lights' the hackfest
821: [23:12:50] <howardgrigg> thnx
822: [23:13:07] <Jakx> ss23, yeah we're up at the Auckland office sitting in silence. Exactly how it should be. Where have you based yourself today? In the tron?
823: [23:13:16] * simon_w changed the topic to 'Welcome to #silverstripe discussion - IRC logs available at http://logs.silverstripe.org || Hackfest hangout: http://ss.org.nz/4 || 3.1.0-beta3 (bleeding edge) released 19/04/2013: http://ss.org.nz/3.1.0b3 || 3.0.5 released 20/02/2013: http://ss.org.nz/3.0.5 || 2.4.10 security release 18/02/2013: http://ss.org.nz/2.4.10 || Development mailing list: http://ss.org.nz/ss-dev'
824: [23:13:17] <Pyromanik> sif tron
825: [23:13:26] * Pyromanik @router.silverstripe.com
826: [23:13:33] <ss23> hahaha Jakx, that sounds awesome
827: [23:13:49] <Pyromanik> Jakx, you are the DJ
828: [23:14:17] <ss23> Jakx: Moved down to Wellington temporarily!
829: [23:14:28] <ss23> Got a hotel and everything (since no one wanted to house us for the weekend :<)
830: [23:14:49] <patbolo> hiya all, just letting you know I have pushed a PR for the issue where restored pages are still striked through in the site tree. Just in case anyone else is also on it ;-)
831: [23:15:24] <chillu> Claw-Rents: Are you keen to update userhelp today by any chance?
832: [23:16:21] <simon_w> That's a massive howardgrigg head
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834: [23:16:26] <travis-ci> [travis-ci] silverstripe/silverstripe-framework#82 (3.1 - e6b0b32 : Ingo Schommer): The build passed.
835: [23:16:26] <travis-ci> [travis-ci] Change view : https://github.com/silverstripe/silverstripe-framework/compare/afd93547fd34...e6b0b327e5a1
836: [23:16:26] <travis-ci> [travis-ci] Build details : http://travis-ci.org/silverstripe/silverstripe-framework/builds/7478658
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838: [23:16:42] <howardgrigg> only person in the hangout...
839: [23:19:08] <tractorcow> https://github.com/silverstripe/silverstripe-framework/pull/1862
840: [23:19:16] * chillu is hoping for that ballmer curve to kick in
841: [23:19:33] <tractorcow> for jax
842: [23:19:47] <Jakx> chur
843: [23:20:59] <simon_w> chillu, not joining the hangout?
844: [23:21:22] <chillu> Not on video ;)
845: [23:21:25] <sminnee> lol
846: [23:21:29] <irogue> chillu is naked
847: [23:21:32] <sminnee> ewww
848: [23:22:09] <chillu> Nah, the laptop burns the balls too much when naked
849: [23:22:41] <Pyromanik> Can't cook your swimmers.
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855: [23:22:59] <Pyromanik> nothing worse than premature whitebait fritters.
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861: [23:28:16] <sminnee> ss23: cd cms && git remote add sminnee git@github.com:sminnee/silverstripe-cms.git
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867: [23:30:56] <sminnee> chillu: what was that late-stage API change you were asking me about?
868: [23:31:14] <sminnee> (a few days ago)
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874: [23:32:08] <chillu> sminnee: https://github.com/silverstripe/silverstripe-framework/pull/1862
875: [23:32:25] <Claw-Rents> chillu: I was thinking to check spelling and punctuation and stuff
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878: [23:33:12] <chillu> Claw-Rents: Less useful than the userhelp content update in the scheme of things IMHO - but also direly needed hehe
879: [23:35:16] <sminnee> chillu: cheers. talking to simon_w it seems like the main issue is that setConfig() has been deprecated, which would appear to be unrelated to tractorcow's actual change.
880: [23:36:01] <chillu> yeah exactly I've asked him to un-deprecate that
881: [23:36:43] <sminnee> is tractorcow around today?
882: [23:37:50] <chillu> He's been active on IRC a couple of mins ago. It looks like getConfig()/setConfig() are reinstate, but moved to protected visibility - which is effectively the same as removing them in terms of API usage, so same concerns (at least for 3.1)
883: [23:37:51] <Jakx> sminnee, yup
884: [23:38:10] <tractorcow> Sorry im here
885: [23:38:19] <tractorcow> I have irc relegated to an unused chrome tab
886: [23:38:22] <sminnee> hehe
887: [23:38:28] <sminnee> download a client! ;)
888: [23:38:35] <sminnee> Sweet as. I'd say that for 3.1 setConfig() should be left as the proper API.
889: [23:38:37] <ss23> Turn on beeps for highlights!
890: [23:39:03] <tractorcow> I'm on the web client
891: [23:39:09] <sminnee> we have to acknowledge that changing an API is a cost, and the cost has to be justified by value. i don't think that "i don't really like setConfig()" is good enough for 3.x, that seems more like a 4.0 change.
892: [23:39:25] <Claw-Rents> Chillu: is there any particular section that needs spellcheck etc?
893: [23:40:17] <chillu> Claw-Rents: No, the whole docs really
894: [23:40:17] <tractorcow> I think the value is in having properly documented individual property getters and setters, rather than having a loosely defined set/get config that relies on documentation provided elsewhere (even if in the /docs/)
895: [23:40:42] <sminnee> OK, but you're breaking everyone's sites and creating them work for that.
896: [23:40:44] <tractorcow> There is a discrete number of configurable options - there's no reason to have an open ended configuration dictionary
897: [23:41:04] <tractorcow> Then it should be 3.2 instead of 3.1
898: [23:41:07] <sminnee> i think, in this case, we should introduce the new API, maintain setConfig() as entirely function, and deprecate setConfig() in the final 3.x release, once 4.0 is closer to being developed.
899: [23:41:30] <chillu> tractorcow: I was under the impression that your change still works if we leave setConfig() in place?
900: [23:41:31] <tractorcow> It's far too late to introduce breaking api changes right?
901: [23:41:39] <simon_w> And deprecate all the setConfig()s at the same time
902: [23:41:48] <tractorcow> yes, it'll work, it just has a deprecation on it
903: [23:41:56] <chillu> Yes, DateField and TimeField have the same issue
904: [23:41:58] <sminnee> Everyone wants this, even breaking it in 3.2 is just delaying the pain for everyone, and your arguments for deprecating it aren't strong enouhg.
905: [23:42:03] <tractorcow> Erm, you'll have to check the 3.2 branch though
906: [23:42:04] <sminnee> setConfig() should keep working until 4.0.
907: [23:42:20] <tractorcow> My 3.1 branch had set it to protected, sorry
908: [23:42:24] <tractorcow> well, ok
909: [23:42:40] <tractorcow> I can just leave it public and remove the deprecation.
910: [23:43:36] <sminnee> Let's mark it as deprecated in 4.0 in the docblock comment.
911: [23:44:00] <tractorcow> However, I still have had to remove some options from this....
912: [23:44:04] <tractorcow> lemme look at my code
913: [23:45:06] <tractorcow> fileEditFields, fileEditValidator, fileEditActions, each of these state that they accept either a FieldList or a string
914: [23:45:09] <sminnee> OK, to get this into 3.1 we'll want to make those work.
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916: [23:45:30] <tractorcow> however, they are serialised and placed in the field HTML
917: [23:45:36] <tractorcow> can't serialise a FieldList object :)
918: [23:45:44] <sminnee> ok.
919: [23:45:46] <tractorcow> is it fine to remove them from setConfig / getConfig?
920: [23:45:56] <sminnee> gimme a sec i'll check the existing behaviour.
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923: [23:46:40] <simon_w> Look at that willr, slacking off already
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934: [23:57:04] <sminnee> tractorcow: Sorry, got distracted. So, the problem you have is that setConfig('fileEditFields', new FieldList(ra, ra, ra)) would have been broken in 3.0?
935: [23:57:39] <kmayo> Been unable to replicate a userform issue I will put it into testing anyway and we can close it if no one else can replicate it
936: [23:59:54] <sminnee> tractorcow: my inclination would be to exclude irrelevant/illegal config entries from the json-encoded file attribute. it's bloat in the HTMl.

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